[0:45] Oh yeah.

[3:52] Welcome everybody to our board meeting. Stand to the flag.

[4:21] Okay. Roll call. >> Um, Mr.

[4:27] » Mr. Johnson >> here.

[4:29] » Mr. Hbert >> here.

[4:30] » Mr. Warden >> here. Uh, communications.

[4:34] » Uh, yeah. I have one. Uh, I'd like to suggest to the board that uh we update

[4:39] the fee schedule for the clerk's office to incorporate a $10 fee for arms checks

[4:43] as we recently had an issue and also to uh incorporate the uh uh dog license

[4:49] late fee increase from $5 to $6 into the fee schedule as a future topic.

[4:56] That's all. >> Okay. Thank you.

[5:00] Okay. We're going to go right to open forum. Guest shall speak in an orderly

[5:03] fashion or limited remarks of five time minutes or less. The speaker shall

[5:06] deliver their comments or concerns in a civil tone without the use of profanity,

[5:10] personal attacks, or other disruptive behavior which may result in offenders

[5:13] removal from the meeting. The speaker shall not be interrupted except for

[5:16] matter of urgency. Would anybody like to speak tonight?

[5:24] Okay. All right. We're going to move right on

[5:28] then. We're going to go to 5.1 wastewater

[5:31] treatment plant updates. Old business.

[5:36] So, we have the monthly update for the board from Barton and Lejudice.

[5:42] Uh, one what? One payup and an invoice from Barton and Leudus.

[5:51] Does anybody have any questions on those items? Um, are we ever going to

[5:56] get that uh one one pump station that we don't control yet before the project's

[6:02] over with or >> not?

[6:05] » I was talking with Leen about that earlier today. I'm working on that with

[6:08] her. >> Then I got to get back to Nate on the

[6:12] acquisition.

[6:20] Alex, do I understand what you're saying is that we're moving forward with with

[6:25] the I mean that that's the goal, >> correct?

[6:28] » Okay.

[6:35] All right. Everybody's all set with that. We'll move on.

[6:37] » I am. >> All right. 5.2 comprehensive plan

[6:43] update. Text my gov update. Uh you got some background information.

[6:48] Uh the committee met on August 11th last

[6:54] Tuesday and they covered a lot of topics.

[6:57] It's a pretty energetic group of people. Uh they want to make sure that as many

[7:01] people has input in the comp plan as possible. So they got a note a lot of

[7:06] things they've been doing here. Uh we got a spokesperson. We got Chris

[7:13] Bodc. He's going to have media event sometime here and we're lucky to have uh

[7:19] Lauren Brooks because he has media contacts so that's all falling into

[7:22] place. I guess the biggest hangup we're having

[7:25] is uh getting information on the grant money. Uh the state is not returning our

[7:31] calls to get information what we have the rules and regulations we have to

[7:37] follow follow and such. It's just a radio silence with them. So, uh, that's

[7:43] where we stand on that. I think I don't know what the deal is. U, Renee

[7:49] is making all the contact calls and stuff and she's just not getting nothing

[7:53] back as far as I can tell. >> No, not yet.

[7:58] » But I don't know how long we go or get close to budget season. I think as a

[8:03] backup plan, we should possibly feel like we're going to fund

[8:07] or fund it ourselves and not count on the grant. not falling into place.

[8:14] Other than that, uh we have our next meeting coming up on September 15th, the

[8:19] conference with meeting or group there. And our next meeting with CERS

[8:25] themselves is the end of September, September 28th.

[8:30] » Okay, everybody get the mailer. >> I got mine today.

[8:34] » I got yours today. >> I got mine yesterday.

[8:38] » I got mine yesterday. >> Yeah, I got mine yesterday.

[8:42] Okay. Well, they're out there. >> Yeah.

[8:44] » Probably see the surveys jump up now. Hopefully. That's our whole plan.

[8:49] Surveys. >> All right. Any questions for

[8:55] Dan? >> Yeah.

[8:55] » And the uh >> the text mic of tomorrow at 10:00 is

[9:00] when the text message is going out to 11,000 people in the town.

[9:05] » All at the same time. >> All at the same time. I want to be

[9:09] standing next to a whole bunch of phones go off.

[9:12] » That's what's supposed to happen. >> All right, perfect. Let's get it going.

[9:20] All right. Anything else? Good. All right. We're going to move on then. 5.3.

[9:25] Clerk's office financials.

[9:28] » Uh yeah, I have a letter that I'm sure you've read. Uh financials are a little

[9:34] bit more present as of June. And uh currently Tim is over 28.75 hours and

[9:40] $56810. I'm uh predicting a possible $750 by the

[9:46] end of the year. And I have uh two lines I have suggested to venture the money

[9:50] from.

[9:58] Do you have um

[10:03] the amounts from each line that you want to transfer to to to cover that 750. I

[10:07] didn't see a breakdown of which line item you wanted. There were two you

[10:11] wanted to pull it from, but I don't know how much.

[10:16] » Uh, I can come up with that. I see what you guys wanted to do first.

[10:21] » So, I I discussed this with Tom about using contractual money and personnel

[10:27] lines and he says it can be done. It's usually not done towards the end of the

[10:31] year. If you're going to run short towards the end of the year, then the

[10:35] board can do it by resolution to move the money from contractual to cover a

[10:39] personnel line. But they want to make sure he usually says most municipalities

[10:42] wait till towards the end of the year to make sure whatever contracts contractual

[10:47] lines are being used for what they need to be used for so you're not shorting

[10:51] that line.

[10:54] » What What is that was the other question um Adam that I was going to ask you

[10:59] about is what what are the the budgets of $5,000 and $6,000

[11:08] what made up those amounts and because I see that the records management is a

[11:16] budget of 5,000 and it has 97% remaining and the central store room of five of

[11:27] $6,000 has just over 74% remaining. So, uh, what makes up those line items and

[11:37] are do you expect to use them? >> Well, this year we've been moving

[11:43] through it slowly, obviously. Um, and I would be mindful of making sure that we

[11:47] would have the funds to transfer. Uh, the central store room is basically

[11:53] office supplies and things like that. Records management is just a bit of a

[11:58] catchall for certain other supplies that are more related to the records room

[12:01] than the office.

[12:05] » Okay, Adam. They're both supply line items.

[12:11] » Yeah. >> Distinction between the two is what?

[12:17] » Central store room is office supplies >> and and what's the other one? if it's

[12:22] supplies. What? Give me an example of what that would be.

[12:26] » Uh well, off the top of my head, um I I really don't use a lot of money from

[12:32] this and haven't yet. Uh just if we need uh books or binders to put minutes in or

[12:39] things like that, >> right? And and and I agree with you that

[12:42] there's there was budgeted $5,000 in there, you've used $150

[12:46] » and we're in August. >> Yeah. So yeah, I was just trying to

[12:49] understand what was in there and what would the expectation to be to have

[12:53] monies in that line item at the end of the year. It seems like you may if

[12:58] that's what it is >> and you're still

[13:02] you're only you've got 70 what 4% left of your supply line budget.

[13:07] » Mhm. >> Okay.

[13:10] Does the board wish uh for the next meeting I will have budget transfers

[13:16] for you to review and approve by resolution to fix some of the lines in

[13:22] the budget? Do you want this or do you want to wait to see where it goes?

[13:32] What is your recommendation, Adam? I know your letter

[13:38] just states that you want to transfer them, but there is no

[13:43] there's no time frame in that letter. So that I'm just want to know what your

[13:47] recommendation is. You want to do it now or do you want to do it later?

[13:51] » Uh I I figured we would wait until November, December. There's no harm in

[13:55] that unless uh the board advises otherwise or Tom has a suggestion for

[13:59] that. >> I think Tom's suggestion is to wait.

[14:03] That would be that would be my thought. I I have no objection of, you know,

[14:07] going with his recommendation. I just didn't see what Adam was. So, I'm fine

[14:12] with waiting. So, no, Kevin, don't don't include it from

[14:18] my point of view. >> The lines that I'm going to include are

[14:22] ones that are short. Obviously, this line is not short now. So, understood.

[14:26] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[14:27] » So, you're just giving us a heads up. I mean,

[14:30] » correct. >> Because I got I got the idea we had to

[14:31] get this done soon. No, I think I I think the discussion was where are we

[14:36] just because we knew it was over, but we didn't no one realized what the dollar

[14:41] amount was. I think now that Adam's identified that and how we'll manage

[14:46] that in the remainder of the year, it's just being vigilant to it so we don't

[14:50] get the surprise in December.

[14:55] I just I don't want it to go un

[15:00] um as far as the process goes, the checks

[15:05] and balance part of it. Um there's got to be, you know, what's the process,

[15:08] Adam, that you're going to be putting in place that you're author, you've

[15:12] authorized these expenditures that are over the line item without authorization

[15:17] to spend the money. So at some I I would like to see a

[15:23] written policy from you to the board on what your department policy is on

[15:30] when you when you know that you're asking him to work more hours. That's a

[15:34] that's going to translate into a line item expenditure and how how are you

[15:39] dealing with that throughout the year?

[15:45] » Do you mean to hunt down a policy or suggest a policy? Is that what you're

[15:48] asking? That's what I'm asking for is to to see or for you to develop a

[15:54] department policy on how you're handling all your line items, not just this, but

[15:59] uh when you're when you're doing something that's going to be over

[16:02] budget, how is your department handling that?

[16:07] » Okay. As far as I know, there is, but I can come up with something to suggest

[16:11] for that. >> Okay.

[16:19] All right, we're going to move on. Everybody's good with that?

[16:22] » Yep. >> All right. 5.4 Hometown Heroes. Uh Luke

[16:26] couldn't make it tonight. Um everybody see the information that he has there.

[16:31] We can uh we can put it on next meeting. >> Let him discuss.

[16:37] » I'm sure he'd like to be here for that. >> Okay. So, we're going to table that till

[16:41] the next meeting. Uh 5.5 department head probation discussion.

[16:49] Uh you want me to put that back on there for this meeting?

[16:58] Do you want to discuss it tonight or do you want to

[17:03] table it for the whole board?

[17:07] » I have no issue with tableing it for the for for the whole board.

[17:11] So till next meeting we can just do it in the same.

[17:14] » Yeah I think I think we should for the whole so for so when everyone's here I

[17:18] think that discussion should include everyone.

[17:22] Okay. Oh, >> I I

[17:27] had sent um I did see that >> and not to interject, I don't want to

[17:31] put that in because we're not going to discuss it. But one of the things I

[17:34] didn't do um I didn't send was a a template for

[17:41] um for the department head a whole outline issue for the a template for the

[17:46] department head position with those items kind of broken out into different

[17:51] sections and if you're interested with for that I

[17:55] can forward that on. I would I would be >> because I I did read what you what you

[18:00] had sent and and again not to carry on that conversation tonight, but I would

[18:04] like to see that template. If you put that together and send that out, that'd

[18:08] be great. >> I will.

[18:09] » All right. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[18:12] » All right. We're going to skip over the public hearing because that'll be at 6

[18:15] PM. We're going to move on to there's no new

[18:20] business tonight, so we're going to go right on to department reports 8.1

[18:26] highway report. Uh first up, you'll see the Fox Road.

[18:32] Um, I went ahead and got Hunts in there to do that for me and we uh made the

[18:37] deadline of August 11th to get this submitted to the state so that we could

[18:41] get that uh monitoring plan in place so that we can be removed off of the red or

[18:47] to the inactivation uh report there for that. So, and I put the report in there.

[18:51] So you guys have that doesn't mean that we're out of the water of not doing

[18:55] this, but it opens us up to give us some time to for me to try to evaluate and

[19:00] get a plan going to get that replaced or what we got to do.

[19:11] Anything with that? Any questions on >> Darren? That was a periodic monitoring

[19:16] particularly after a rain event. >> Yeah. So, pretty much they're going to

[19:20] do it um after every um heavy rain or every 3 to six months. They'll check it

[19:25] for us. That's how they wrote it up and they're going to do it. Uh I'm checking

[19:29] it on a weekly basis because if something does happen in between, uh we

[19:33] they'll come right out and take a look and see where we need to go. But I'm on

[19:37] it weekly um if not a couple times a week. So, just because I don't want to

[19:41] see an issue that I can't take care of. But but there is no date that says you

[19:47] have to have a new one in place by this date.

[19:50] » No. No, not right now. But uh they Hunts looked at it and said it definitely

[19:56] needs, you know, we got time with it. It's not like it's the road's going away

[20:00] completely. Um but something we need to put on our radar to get

[20:04] » Yeah, we we do need to keep that on the front burner, keep it moving along for

[20:08] sure. >> So, but it's not something tomorrow,

[20:11] which is good. Um, at the same point, I'm reached out.

[20:15] We're in the process of sending out letters um to Senator's office and to

[20:22] Joangelino's office to see and let them know what we got with all this to see if

[20:27] there's any help that they have maybe towards the end of the year or starting

[20:30] at helping us next year. I also reached out to the BMTS

[20:34] um Broom County one and she's going to get back to me. I have a meeting with

[20:39] her coming up in two weeks or a week. Um, so I'm hoping we can talk about it

[20:44] and see what they can do to help us. Um, so I'm looking at funding so gives us

[20:48] some time.

[20:53] Um, number two, the salt shade the salt shed update is you can see there um

[20:59] asked for where I'd like the money to come from. That's where the extra would

[21:03] come from. I also had talked with Hunts on this one and

[21:09] this project is they're working on redoing the bid package to um to reflect

[21:17] the start and end dates changing. So the start of of construction would be

[21:22] sometime in either April or May of next year and completion would then be either

[21:27] June or July. So it gives us next year in time and they feel that the price

[21:32] will definitely come down as well. Um because it's to get it done them to get

[21:39] into it do it this year and it gives us and they're going to change he's I

[21:43] talked to them they talked to us today they're just they're going to try to

[21:47] adjust some of the stuff for us to look at on like the wall and construction

[21:52] there. So it gives us some more time. Darren, is there is it their opinion

[21:57] that the estimate that we have is based on an expedited schedule?

[22:00] » Yes, >> that's what they put it on.

[22:04] » And then Darren, if you would just because I know we talked, you and I

[22:07] talked with Joy about when we need to be under contract for purposes of the grant

[22:14] because that's, you know, it's not shovel and ground. It's actually just

[22:18] we've awarded and the contract is signed by what was the date? So, we have a

[22:22] deadline of October whatever for us to do once the first step of the paperwork

[22:28] and we're getting we're going to meet all that. It has nothing to do with

[22:30] going to bid or signing contracts. I believe that

[22:35] is November, but we have to get through the first step in October to meet that.

[22:39] And then there's another deadline in November.

[22:42] » Yeah. So, from what Joy was saying, it sounds like we have to be under

[22:44] contract, you know, it awarded contract signed Yeah. for the grant by sometime

[22:50] in in November. So, we we do have a little more time than I think we felt we

[22:54] had earlier this year.

[23:03] » Uh number three there, uh CDL training. I have one of my senior guys. We have uh

[23:09] um the trailer and trucks situation with pulling our skid steer and stuff. He

[23:14] went out, got his um class A um permit. So, I'm starting to use him to pull the

[23:20] trailer and truck with our with Todd, our mechanic. But this is the guy that's

[23:25] running the machine all the time. So, I've uh I'm going to sign him up for the

[23:28] course and get it done so that he can get trained and be uh get his CDL so

[23:32] that he can just pull that and I don't have and then it gives me the operator

[23:36] and then Todd as a backup in case we need it. But this is going to help me

[23:40] save time and stuff. And it shows the line item there where

[23:45] I'm taking it from. So it's out of my highway, superintendent lines where I

[23:50] have money in there for.

[23:54] And then the last one is the job posting for um I want to put it back out because

[23:59] I did it before. This is to replace the guy that's retiring. I'm still working

[24:04] the full out details with him, but I just want to get the so I can get it let

[24:07] you guys know. I want to get it posted and then he can let me know. We're

[24:11] working on his schedule of his when he's actually leaving and then exact dates

[24:16] and that way I can get a start on a guy coming in. My goal would be to have

[24:21] somebody now um start which would be the end of September which would be either

[24:26] September 28th or the 12th of October depending on time frame of me getting

[24:32] applications and and that kind of stuff. But I just want to let you know I'm

[24:35] working back on that. And then that shows the figures where I'd pull out of

[24:39] the my highway fund balance um if for >> And that would be your shortfall on that

[24:43] personnel line. >> Yes.

[24:45] » And that shortfall is based on the 28th of September.

[24:50] » That's based on the 28th as of right now. Yes.

[24:54] But as I look at it, I'm trying to dates in place. So

[25:00] because I'm probably going to post it for two weeks and then go from there.

[25:04] See what I can get. But it wouldn't be more than that. No.

[25:15] And then just one quick thing that I didn't get on here. I apologize, but

[25:18] real quick, drop off days, cleanup drop off days are going to be September 16th

[25:22] through the 19th at our landfill. At the same time, I'm going to have a dumpster

[25:27] put in Castle Creek so that we can start removing and that week we can start

[25:32] removing cleaning up some of the stuff in Castle Creek at the same time. And I

[25:36] spoke with Greg about this and we'll work together to get it. I'll start on

[25:40] it while we have the dumpsters for that. Just to give you a heads up on that.

[25:50] » Excellent. >> Darren, that's remove that's removing

[25:52] the debris that's at the top of the hill.

[25:54] Yeah, we're going to move whatever's at the top of the hill plus we're going to

[25:57] get the unit at the bottom moved that shed moved and then whatever's inside

[26:01] that we'll get that cleaned up and put in a dumpster.

[26:04] » Okay. >> Yep.

[26:06] » Great. Thank you. >> That's the plan. So, as long as we can

[26:08] get it done,

[26:12] » any other questions for Darren? I just want a clarification on the salt

[26:19] shed budget line item of 8 of a 878A.

[26:26] I couldn't I couldn't find that specific one in the budget. So, I just wanted to

[26:32] make sure that that was correct.

[26:37] » What is it again? >> A 878A.

[26:42] » It's on your financial

[26:46] It's a capital improvement reserve. >> It's a capital improvements reserve fund

[26:53] » as 1,464,231.74.

[26:58] It's under fund balance. >> Okay. So, it's it's not

[27:05] » it's not actually in the budget for it's what we put in

[27:12] in the past. for reserve fund. Okay,

[27:19] it's what we allocated fund balance to because we also have we have a whole

[27:25] bunch of stuff in here. We have the roof the roofs in there, the parking

[27:30] lot comprehensive plan,

[27:36] building condition study, a lot of that's been used.

[27:41] All right. So when when we get the fund balance report stuff all squared away,

[27:44] we can include that in it like

[27:49] that'll update the information. I couldn't find it in there. That's that's

[27:51] why I was looking for that line item. That's all.

[27:54] » So, but it it's actually the it's it's coming out

[27:59] » the it's coming out of the fund balance which is got a subline for the uh

[28:06] reserve fund. So >> yes,

[28:09] » that explains it to me. Thank you. >> Yep.

[28:15] » All right. Any other questions for Darren?

[28:17] » I have none. >> Okay, we're going to move on then. Uh

[28:21] 8.2 attorney's report. >> Pretty short one. You'll see it

[28:25] attached. Um if anyone has any questions for me

[28:29] about things that you want me to look into, let me know. I'll be in the town

[28:33] hall for my office hours tomorrow. Uh, I am out of town next week, so I won't

[28:39] make next a week from Thursday, but I I will be working a bit remotely and

[28:45] certainly available by phone for anybody.

[28:53] Questions for Nate? >> I don't have any. Okay, we move on to

[28:59] 8.3 supervisor support report. You'll see the June monthly financials.

[29:04] I just received the July financials hot off the press.

[29:10] Um I will have those to you for the next

[29:13] meeting and I hopefully have the I'll have the fund balance report and

[29:18] hopefully budget line adjustments. >> He's catching up.

[29:22] » He's catching up now. Um even the July we still have it's not complete. There's

[29:28] still a few things we're still working on the trust in agency account. So, so,

[29:33] but we're we're getting there. Um, hopefully once we get it all cleaned up,

[29:37] it'll be easy moving forward.

[29:41] Uh, also you will see the 2024 and 2025 uh core audit reports that Jay and Luke

[29:49] did. If you have any questions, I guess

[29:53] address them to Jay.

[29:57] » How much time did it take you to do it? >> Well, we went through this. We spent

[30:00] quite a bit of time, actually. longer than we would have if we had some

[30:03] experience at it. So when we went up there um we asked the clerks to really

[30:08] take us through multiple transactions and um and then after multiple

[30:12] transactions we obviously had a series of questions while we were going through

[30:15] those transactions and how all those items are handled, how the records are

[30:20] kept and then all the paper transactions and then we reviewed we did a sample

[30:25] review for each year. We just randomly picked several months from each year and

[30:30] went through them essentially looking for irregularities based off of the

[30:34] process that we went through when we talked to them. And quite frankly, it is

[30:39] a really well-run organization up there. Um I I have to commend them. Um, I

[30:44] probably I probably spent in total probably five hours with the

[30:50] clerks and um, Luke was probably three going through some additional paperwork

[30:56] and just random samplings just to see if the paperwork,

[31:01] you know, the the documentation trail actually matched what they were telling

[31:04] us. So, I personally was very satisfied with the operation up there. I think um

[31:12] I think the clerks do do a great job and certainly take a lot of pride in what

[31:15] they do.

[31:24] » Weren't we supposed to have a resolution for this?

[31:27] » I could have sworn I sent one to Jody, but

[31:31] » we can certainly add it. I mean, it shouldn't be an issue to add it to the

[31:34] next meeting. Yeah, because she can't send it in to

[31:38] the reporting without a It has to include the court's resolution accepting

[31:43] the audit. So, we'll have to do it for the next one and then we can file them.

[31:52] It's my bad for not catching that.

[31:57] Uh, the only other thing I have is that we uh do Does anybody have any questions

[32:01] for Jay on the >> No, I don't.

[32:04] » Okay. I uh budget sheets are out to the department heads. Um at the time I got

[32:09] them to them that it was the May updated to the end of May. We we are updated now

[32:14] to July. If you guys would like I can print updated sheets if you want to see

[32:19] where your expenditures are up to July if that helps out.

[32:27] » Okay.

[32:30] » Okay. I

[32:40] Okay.

[32:47] » I haven't had a chance to even touch it with working with EDUs and everything

[32:50] else. So,

[32:54] » all right.

[32:58] » You're welcome. Any questions for me?

[33:03] None. >> All right, moving on to resolutions.

[33:09] Resolution 9.1 approving abstract number 16.

[33:17] » So moved. >> Second.

[33:20] » Any discussion? >> None.

[33:23] » None. >> Mr. Slaughter is absent. Mr. Simonus.

[33:27] » Hi. >> Mr. Johnson.

[33:28] » Hi. >> Mr. Halbert.

[33:30] » No. >> Mr. Warden. Hi. Uh, resolution 9.2,

[33:34] Jean, I think, um, you'd mentioned earlier this resolution, I think, was a

[33:38] placeholder for that department head evaluation report or excuse me, form.

[33:44] » Um,

[33:48] well, we tabled the discussion. >> Yeah. So, I'm just

[33:51] » So, I'll make a motion to table this um 9.2 resolution until next meeting.

[33:57] » Second. >> Any discussion?

[34:00] » None. None. Mr. Slo is absent. Mr. Simonus.

[34:03] » Hi. >> Mr. Johnson.

[34:05] » Hi, >> Mr. Halbert.

[34:06] » Hi. >> Mr. Warden.

[34:07] » Hi. >> And then Gan, I think 9.3. My

[34:11] recollection was you were going to get pyramid to orid.

[34:16] » Yep. I don't I don't have the uh I don't have the information to support that

[34:20] resolution. So, make a motion to table that.

[34:23] » Second. >> Well,

[34:26] » any discussion on that? >> None.

[34:28] » None. >> Mr. Slot is absent. Mr. Simonus.

[34:32] » Hi. >> Mr. Johnson.

[34:33] » Hi. >> Mr. Hullbert.

[34:34] » Hi. >> Mr. Warden.

[34:35] » Hi. >> Then 9.4. This is the resolution

[34:38] amending the 2026 284 agreement at the last meeting. There had been a question

[34:44] that stumped Darren and I because we were having a brain fart.

[34:49] Couldn't couldn't read our own resolution. So, um, Jean, you had noted

[34:54] that 215 number didn't match the number at the bottom of that exhibit. So,

[35:00] that's on purpose. Those are actually two different uh amounts of money

[35:05] because they're for two different categories of things. The first, the

[35:07] 215,000 is for the general repairs. And then the permanent improvements number

[35:13] two says see attached list and the number at the bottom of that is the 280

[35:17] to 335 and 1 cent. So those are that was on

[35:23] purpose. We apologies for not being able to fully

[35:27] explain that at the last meeting.

[35:37] » So can you explain that again then? >> Yep. So number one is the general

[35:42] repairs in the agreement. And then you'll see it says $215,000

[35:48] for primary work and general repairs. >> Mhm.

[35:51] » Permanent improvements is the road list attachment which is the reconstruction

[35:57] and re uh and repair as described where it's mill and paving projects and oil

[36:02] and stone maintenance general repairs which collectively is $282,335

[36:09] in one set.

[36:13] » Right. that's not necessarily identified in the attachment, right?

[36:21] And that's what was ambiguous. >> We kept looking at that and saying there

[36:24] must be another attachment or something that we're not seeing. But the general

[36:28] repairs is an overall fund and the specific permanent improvements are

[36:34] identified in the attachment which is a different amount.

[36:41] that she

[36:47] couldn't figure out. >> I just think to remove the ambiguity in

[36:52] the future under section two of that resolution, it would have been good to

[36:58] put the 282 in there. So then we would have seen that correlated with the

[37:03] attachment. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I can also see because

[37:06] collectively it's, you know, 497, we should just say $497,000

[37:13] is authorized as follows. General improvements number

[37:18] uh whatever the other one's called number, just to to be clear.

[37:22] » I agree.

[37:32] Let's just forget it. >> All right. I make a motion to accept it.

[37:37] » I make a motion to accept the resolution.

[37:40] » I'll second that. >> Any discussion?

[37:44] » None. >> None.

[37:48] » Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus. >> I.

[37:50] » Mr. Johnson. >> I.

[37:51] » Mr. Hbert. >> I.

[37:52] » Mr. Warden. >> I

[37:55] All righty. We're going to move right on to future board topics.

[38:03] Let's get a meeting together for 92.

[38:16] So, we're going to have let's just have our first two on old

[38:21] business. Wastewater treatment plant. We have hometown heroes to move to next

[38:26] meeting >> comp plan and then we're going to go

[38:28] hometown heroes. We're moving that >> right. Um Jean, do you think you'd have

[38:34] the information from Pyramid to asssure that they're following our procurement

[38:38] policy to be able to have that on the meeting or not?

[38:43] » Hard to say. >> Yeah, just keep it on.

[38:45] » Why don't we keep it >> keep it on?

[38:47] » Let's I agree >> for 92.

[38:48] » Yep. >> What you want for 92?

[38:49] » The u the network storage. You you just want that on as a

[38:54] resolution with backup material. Correct.

[38:55] » Correct. >> That's that's why I've left it on there.

[38:57] John sent me an email today. So, >> okay.

[39:00] » When you get a chance. >> Yep.

[39:02] » We need the resolution for the court audits, too.

[39:07] » Yes, we need a resolution court audit. >> Do we need to do them independently

[39:09] because they're different years? >> Uh I I am not aware of a requirement,

[39:17] but that's actually a good question. I don't know. I had originally I have

[39:20] drafted it as just one resolution approves them both.

[39:25] That's probably fine. Uh but if you guys I'll I'll break it up into two just in

[39:30] case because it's not a big deal. Okay. >> I'd prefer to see it that way myself.

[39:36] » I would too. >> It would probably be better for when she

[39:40] has to file it, send it in to have two resolutions, one for each one.

[39:45] Uh, >> do we want to uh

[39:50] » do we need an update on the fee schedule?

[39:52] » Yes. >> Let's get that out of the way.

[39:55] » Yes.

[40:00] » You want that under new business?

[40:04] » Yes. >> There is some new fees. Some of the old

[40:08] » Yeah, new business. >> Some of the old fees I don't think we we

[40:11] never updated the schedule. So we just need to I guess we need a clean

[40:17] resolution updating the fees. So I think we should have a discussion before we do

[40:21] the resolution. >> The last time we had the conversation we

[40:25] talked about doing those at year doing those at not

[40:30] the year end but as the initial

[40:35] um >> the year.

[40:37] » Yeah. our our resolutions at the beginning of the year is are these fees

[40:42] that then we were we were only going to do them mid mid year if there was an

[40:47] urgency for increasing these fees. >> So a few of them there is an urgency

[40:52] because they're being collected. So we need them on the fee schedule

[40:56] because we approved it by resolution. >> So I think where something's already

[41:01] been approved. It just needs to be sent off to general code for general code to

[41:05] update it because that portion of your town code compilation says you can amend

[41:12] this schedule by resolution and that's what you've done. It's just I guess no

[41:17] one circled back with general code to say, "Hey, please change this." That's

[41:21] fine. So, I don't want to get into it. We're talking about future topics, but

[41:24] we've talked about the roofing permits and then the dog license late fee for

[41:30] $1. Those are both approved by resolution by the board. So,

[41:35] » oh, I don't remember the dog license being done by resolution, but if it was,

[41:40] what >> we'd have to go back

[41:42] » bring it up again. >> I think it's just to approve the fee

[41:46] schedule, >> right? Isn't that what we need to do?

[41:52] I do think we should just put it on I think we just put it on the agenda

[41:56] » and we'll have discussion >> so we don't get into it right now.

[42:01] » Okay. >> All right. That's fine. So under new

[42:04] business,

[42:12] uh department head probation discussion under old business.

[42:28] Are we are we doing that tonight? We carried it over from last meeting.

[42:33] » Do you want to do it without a full board?

[42:37] » That was the only That was the only concern I had.

[42:42] » I I have no issue with postponing. I just That's fine.

[42:49] » Okay. >> It's It's It's up to you guys. It's your

[42:53] It's It's your call. I have >> No, I I I think we should have a full

[42:56] board. I >> I believe so, too. I Let's do that.

[43:01] » Let's just do the full board and do it on 92.

[43:03] » Okay. >> Okay.

[43:05] » Uh we have uh for 92 we had uh Joyy's replacement discussion.

[43:15] » You want that back on there? >> Yes.

[43:18] » I have no I have no reason to change it. >> Me neither.

[43:24] » New business. >> Um

[43:26] » I don't think we discussed this before. Okay. So, this is new.

[43:29] » Yeah. If there's room, Kevin, the secure vestibule, I do I do have a plan I can

[43:35] share with everyone. >> Okay.

[43:38] » I know that old business.

[43:44] » How about uh we had the department head job

[43:49] description discussion. Do you want that

[43:55] on there? >> Yeah, we can include what you the

[43:58] information you gave and anybody else has information they want to put into

[44:01] it, we can get it on the agenda.

[44:10] » Does anybody have anything else?

[44:21] » I don't have anything. Oh, just have a question. When are we um when are we

[44:26] doing our budget discussions? They're not they're not listed anywhere as a

[44:31] bullet item or a date. So, I just

[44:38] Yeah, we got we got to do we got to do something soon. Um but I suggest that

[44:45] your next discussion on it just be deciding the dates. So if you may I

[44:50] don't think it'll take you guys long on September 2nd to just talk about when

[44:54] you want to have your meetings to actually talk about it because you guys

[44:58] might need special meetings and better to figure that out sooner than later.

[45:02] » So So the supervisor has to file the tenative budget to the town clerk by

[45:06] September 30th. Do you guys want to dis I'd rather

[45:10] discuss it with the board than me just filing

[45:14] whatever I feel. Do you want it? Do you want to work on it?

[45:18] » And Kevin, I I'll note that's a that's a deadline for you if you want to file it

[45:22] sooner. >> Yeah, we can file it. You can

[45:24] » Well, I can if you want I mean

[45:28] I haven't got >> You want to put it on?

[45:30] » S September 30th. >> September 30th is the deadline for the

[45:33] tenative budget to be filed with the clerk's office.

[45:36] » I I'd like to have the discussion on the 16th then.

[45:39] » Perfect. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I can and hopefully I

[45:42] can have all everything to you guys before on the agenda for the 16th, all

[45:47] the department heads information, all the backup material.

[45:52] » That'll be my goal. So, so >> let's do that.

[45:54] » All right. I as soon as I even if it's before then so you can really go through

[45:58] it. But >> I that was going to be my question. Do

[46:00] you think we could you'd have it preliminary to us by the 16th? We hope.

[46:05] » I hope. >> Okay, good enough.

[46:07] » I I haven't had a chance to >> No, I know. I know. And we're in catch.

[46:11] I understand. >> Okay.

[46:13] » All right. But so so 9:16 is the the initial is the preliminary budget

[46:18] discussion. >> Yes. Let's do 9:16.

[46:21] » Okay. >> Do you want department heads here or do

[46:24] you just want to look at what we have and work on it with is that that'll be a

[46:27] future that that's when we go to preliminary. I believe

[46:30] » I I I think it's just discussion for me and we can

[46:34] that's all I need. Y >> okay.

[46:38] » All right. We can do that. Okay.

[46:42] Because we uh Do you want the other deadlines or do

[46:46] you want >> just

[46:49] Yeah. What are the other deadlines? >> So

[46:56] says uh October 5th, town clerk presents tenant budget to the town board.

[47:02] November 5th, last day to legal notice of public hearing on the town budget.

[47:09] And November 10th, last day to hold public hearing on preliminary budget.

[47:16] November 20th, we must adopt the budget, the final budget.

[47:22] » Yeah, those are those are just the last days.

[47:24] » Those are just the last days. Those are the deadlines.

[47:26] » Um I had something I misunder I mis I misheard you. The 105 was the tenative

[47:32] and then 11:15. So, so, so, so 9:30, September 30th would be the last day for

[47:39] me or for this, it says supervisor, whatever, to file with the clerk, the

[47:43] tenant of budget, and then the tenative budget gets presented to the town board.

[47:49] It says 105, but I would assume it would be our next meeting.

[47:56] » Okay. And then it was 11:15 and then you went

[48:01] to 11:10. Did I misunderstand that? No, it was 115.

[48:05] » 115 was the legal notice.

[48:07] » Last day for legal notice and then >> and then 11

[48:14] » 10 is the last day to hold the public hearing on the preliminary budget

[48:20] and then 11:20 we must adopt final date to adopt the budget.

[48:25] » Okay, I got it. Thank you.

[48:30] All

[48:33] right. Anybody have anything else for the future topics?

[48:39] » None.

[48:45] » All right. What would you We have 15 minutes before we can have

[48:51] the public hearing.

[48:57] Is there any executive sessions we have to do

[49:06] that I can not that I think of nothing nothing that we can do in 13 minutes.

[49:12] » Okay.

[49:18] Well, we can take a recess for for 13 minutes until 6 p.m. We can't have the

[49:23] public hearing because it's advertised for 6 PM. So, we'll have to take a

[49:26] recess until 6 p.m. and then we'll start the public hearing. Okay. Thank you.

[50:38] And so

[52:15] disagree with you.

[52:42] Monday

[53:25] Oh, I don't I don't have it I don't have it written down, but I can Hey, Adam.

[53:33] the uh the guest passwords >> for the Wi-Fi.

[54:33] I'm horrible. I'm gonna do I'll do my best at it.

[54:55] I don't think people understand.

[55:16] You know,

[55:50] I want to about 10 12

[56:17] » I don't

[56:42] Oh, perfect.

[58:12] best

[58:16] are going

[58:38] It's time for

[59:12] Why would you make it available?

[59:29] And then I'll bring

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[1:00:35] I don't know.

[1:00:49] 565.

[1:01:14] No, I want to miss something.

[1:01:31] What? >> I got

[1:01:34] » I got 57. Am I off?

[1:01:42] » Yeah, I have 57. >> I don't want to start the world.

[1:01:49] Huh?

[1:01:52] » 51. >> Mine says 58.

[1:01:54] » I'm at 58. >> Oh, you're on. You said you're on the

[1:01:57] network. >> Yeah, mine says 58.

[1:02:02] » It says 58 on my phone. >> He's going to do an explanation to start

[1:02:09] how little history of this and why we're here, what the val what it represents. I

[1:02:15] just think everyone's going to be frust

[1:02:21] using using little water. >> Yeah.

[1:02:29] » Huh? >> Musical.

[1:02:38] » That is what he wants. >> My head.

[1:03:02] How are you?

[1:03:20] Let me have the post.

[1:03:54] Okay, it's 6:00 p. p.m. We're going to start the uh public hearing. I'd like to

[1:03:58] welcome everybody for coming tonight. Uh we're having a public hearing tonight uh

[1:04:03] for the 2027 assessment improvements for the

[1:04:07] consolidated sewage district. This is a debt assessment.

[1:04:12] Um this project started back in 2017 2018 was beginning engineering on it. It

[1:04:20] it was uh required by EPA and the DEEC to upgrade the sewage our sewage

[1:04:25] treatment plant and the way it's delivered to the plant with the pump

[1:04:29] stations and the mains. Correct. Just correct me on it. I'm just trying to

[1:04:33] fill everybody in why we're here tonight.

[1:04:42] » So the the

[1:04:46] » Hold on a second. He's going to get a microphone.

[1:04:54] We have to meet DEEC and EPA requirements for our influ and our

[1:04:58] effluent uh especially the effluent that's discharged into the Suscuana

[1:05:02] River Basin. There's new guidelines out there.

[1:05:09] So the the project cost is $45,999

[1:05:16] $999,9998. There was a $11 million grant that the

[1:05:22] town received and then a $5 million grant that the town received.

[1:05:27] So the the portion that needs to be paid back is $29,967,996

[1:05:36] and that is over a 30-year bond. So over the next 30 years, we have to

[1:05:42] pay this back and it's it's spread out between all

[1:05:47] everybody in the sewer district. And to clarify, the sewer district's

[1:05:53] consolidated. Um I have seen some letters that came in regarding the old

[1:05:57] sewer district numbers, but there is one particular sewer district. Um and this

[1:06:04] has just anyone that has access to the sewer is being assessed these .edu

[1:06:10] amounts whether you use them or not even if it's a vacant parcel. So, the way the

[1:06:15] edus were developed were back in the 90s and that's how um some of you have

[1:06:20] received response letters from the DPW regarding the road frontage and how the

[1:06:26] edus were calculated. Um that can still be assessed by town code 56-5K

[1:06:35] identifies how it's calculated for each parcel. So, I know I I've received

[1:06:40] several letters identifying vacant parcels or parcels that just aren't

[1:06:44] being used or parcels that don't have any plumbing in them. As long as you

[1:06:50] have access to the sewer system, you are being assessed that it's no different

[1:06:55] than, for example, I live on a state road. I don't live on a town highway

[1:07:00] road, but I pay the town highway tax because I have access to those town

[1:07:05] highway roads. It's essentially the same thing. So, as long as there's sewer in

[1:07:10] front of your house, you will be assessed an edu in accordance with

[1:07:13] 56-5K. Just wanted to make that clarification.

[1:07:18] So, the 56-5K is the town of Shenango code where the edu assessment was

[1:07:25] applied to each property. Um, am I missing anything? Anybody else

[1:07:30] like to add?

[1:07:34] I did put copies of the town code over by the agenda. I didn't put enough

[1:07:40] obviously, but there in that slot.

[1:07:48] » And just so everyone understands, the edu assessment is different than your

[1:07:52] use. Your use is a separate charge and that is based use. This has nothing to

[1:07:57] do with how much water you use. It's it's the it's the paying back the cost

[1:08:04] to upgrade our community system. The way these edus could potentially go down is

[1:08:10] more users, people get on the system or useful,

[1:08:15] you know, development of some sort. We can take more capacity. What that

[1:08:20] capacity will be will be depending on what users are available or or how much

[1:08:25] a new user would be using. So, you know, we are going to be getting to I think a

[1:08:32] fairly signific significant cost to the edus and it is my hope is that as we go

[1:08:37] through our comprehensive plan and the town develops more that those .eduus he

[1:08:41] used will come down over the next hopefully sooner than later over the

[1:08:46] course of the term of the bond which again Kevin pointed out is 30 years

[1:08:52] » which brings us to 206 206.

[1:09:00] » All right. So we're going to open the public hearing. You have five minutes to

[1:09:03] speak. Uh so we'll read the little blurp here.

[1:09:08] Hold on. Guest shall speak in an orderly fashion

[1:09:11] or limited remarks of five time minutes or less. The speaker shall deliver their

[1:09:15] comments or concerns in a civil tone without the use of profanity, personal

[1:09:18] attacks, or other disruptive behavior which may result in the offender's

[1:09:20] removal from the meeting. The speaker shall not be interrupted except in a

[1:09:23] matter of urgency. We just ask anybody if you'd like to speak, please come up

[1:09:27] to the microphone. Either one here, just so it's recorded and the people at home

[1:09:32] cannot hear you if you don't speak into the microphone.

[1:09:35] So, if anybody'd like to speak, we're open right now. Come on up.

[1:09:44] » I live in Shenango Bridge and I am blessed with having one of those

[1:09:49] monstrosities within 20 paces of my door.

[1:09:55] And I was thinking, should I be compensated?

[1:10:00] Should my neighbors 75 ft from my house be compensated

[1:10:05] because it's so close? But I'm the lucky one

[1:10:10] and it's that close to my house and I have no idea why I should be paying an

[1:10:17] additional tax for anything.

[1:10:22] I've had that thing, the old one. that bell used to go off at 1 in the

[1:10:26] morning. My wife used to go, "What if we'd have

[1:10:31] to call an 800 number and now we have this and now you're

[1:10:36] asking for money?" I don't think that's fair. And I think

[1:10:40] the other people that are that close to one of those things should also be

[1:10:45] compensated. And if it meant no tax like this, I think that would be a pretty

[1:10:50] simple idea. Anyways, that's what I got.

[1:10:56] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:11:01] We they don't have to give their name and address unless they unless they have

[1:11:04] a complaint about their edu. You can give your name and address and we can

[1:11:07] work with you to look at it. But if you if you'd like to speak, go ahead.

[1:11:11] » Evening. Uh would you be able to repeat to me why we got the upgrade?

[1:11:18] » I can't speak on that. Engineer or the head of department of public works can

[1:11:23] speak on it.

[1:11:30] We are subject to the regulations under the Susuana River Basin Commission. They

[1:11:34] changed their uh phosphorus and nitrogen criteria several years ago. So, we knew

[1:11:42] uh we knew we would have to upgrade our plant to those new criteria. It's part

[1:11:46] of EPA mandates, river basin mandates. The DEC administers some of that as

[1:11:50] well. So, we're just working to comply with those mandates. Uh we're a roughly

[1:11:54] an 850,000galon facility. Had to upgrade to a little over 1 million. Uh we also

[1:12:00] have two other plants, the Pen View plant, Shango Heights plants. Those are

[1:12:04] being decommissioned to help out cost of eliminating operating costs at two other

[1:12:07] facilities that are past their lives. Uh we're bringing those flows to the

[1:12:12] Northgate plants. We have just one facility to maintain one permit with

[1:12:15] with all those agencies and it will now comply with those those new effluent

[1:12:20] limits. Um, so it was uh I guess what we usually say is it was an unfunded

[1:12:26] mandate for the upgrades. Um, >> the EPA, DEC, their federal agencies,

[1:12:31] correct? >> Correct.

[1:12:33] » You mentioned that you received several grants earlier. Did you get them from

[1:12:36] federal government? >> What was available is money through EFC

[1:12:41] through the state? >> Okay. Did your comprehensive plan noted

[1:12:44] earlier federal government to alleviate some of the strain on us? Uh federal

[1:12:51] generally does not have that option, >> but they mandate you to do it.

[1:12:56] » Correct. >> So there's no relief from the federal

[1:12:59] government. No one asked any questions. They just

[1:13:01] » relief's only been through the state thus far.

[1:13:06] » Okay. And perhaps you could give us a breakdown what we're seeing on our tax

[1:13:11] bill versus what we're getting.

[1:13:17] » So So those are two two totally separate things.

[1:13:20] » That's correct. >> What you're getting charged quarterly is

[1:13:22] for the usage of the system and what you're getting charged is the debt

[1:13:28] assessment for the debt that we have to pay. So if we owe next year $1,351,9680

[1:13:38] that's principal and interest that is divided up among all the edus that are

[1:13:43] determined in the sewer district to come out with the amount.

[1:13:48] And that's and that's how the edu amount is determined. So it's spread out.

[1:13:52] » Now suppose 300 people leave hypothetically speaking

[1:14:00] bridgebody

[1:14:04] go up. >> Well, how you're talking houses get

[1:14:07] destroyed, removed people leave because they can't afford to live here.

[1:14:11] » The house is still there. The house is still has to pay that that property has

[1:14:15] to pay that debt assessment. or else it goes up tax

[1:14:20] » and somebody has to pay that debt assessment.

[1:14:25] » So >> an empty house is going to pay that.

[1:14:29] » Okay, property taxes are always due. So that'll be part of the property tax. So

[1:14:34] regardless of whether you live there or whether you're using the property, the

[1:14:37] property owner, someone has to pay the property tax or it goes to foreclosure.

[1:14:41] That is you're you're exactly right. So, if you're going to pay your property

[1:14:45] tax, that'll be included. Your .edu will be included in there. If you decide to

[1:14:50] pay partial tax, I'm not sure the county actually accepts partial, but not to get

[1:14:54] into that discussion because there's a lot of folks that want to speak here

[1:14:56] tonight. >> That's correct, sir. But, but people

[1:14:58] that don't reside in houses don't pay property tax.

[1:15:00] » We're not going to get into Right. Exactly. But the property owner will

[1:15:04] » If they want to speak, I want people have the opportunity to speak.

[1:15:07] » Yeah. >> Okay. And that's okay. But the property

[1:15:12] owners, guys, the property owners are going to pay the tax or they're going to

[1:15:15] lose the property >> regardless whether it's an edu or

[1:15:18] whether >> that cost is what I'm asking.

[1:15:21] » Who who what >> who recoups the cost from the lost

[1:15:24] revenue from people that are leaving their

[1:15:26] » who don't pay the property tax. It'll go to t it'll go to tax sale

[1:15:29] » and then we'll we'll get something back from a tax sale. The taxes will be

[1:15:33] satisfied when the property is resold. >> If it's resold,

[1:15:36] » it'll probably we like our chances with the property being resold. If it's not,

[1:15:41] hypothetically, yes, it does get reassessed. But

[1:15:45] » one last question, is there any way that we can perhaps look into

[1:15:50] federal grants to assist us with this? Have you gentlemen done this?

[1:15:54] » So, this started back in 2017. I wasn't even

[1:15:59] anywhere near this place. So, I I this this was all decided a long time ago.

[1:16:06] So, I I'm sorry about that. I have to pay it, too. I I'm not happy about it,

[1:16:10] but there's nothing that >> the debt is due. It has to be paid.

[1:16:14] » Last question. By a show of hands, how many people are

[1:16:20] res?

[1:16:24] » Yeah, you have to. >> Okay. And I apologize. I apologize for

[1:16:27] being brash. I spoke to a gentleman that was in the water department with

[1:16:33] this about two months ago. Well, an employee an employee that was

[1:16:39] out. Oh, yeah. >> Yes. They they don't have to be

[1:16:42] residents of the town. >> That's irrelevant. I apologize for that.

[1:16:45] But thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:16:48] » Board, can I clarify my federal grant answer?

[1:16:51] » Yes. >> So, he'd like to clarify his federal

[1:16:53] grant answer. >> Just so everyone's aware on the on the

[1:16:55] federal side, there are federal funds available, but some are based on the

[1:16:59] income level of the town and other pieces. The funding that we were able to

[1:17:04] pursue does have some federal allocations behind it. EFC does get

[1:17:08] federal allocations behind them. Also, some of the grants are subsidized by the

[1:17:12] federal government to keep the interest rates lower. So, a max interest rate

[1:17:17] level. You get a lower one that's potentially has some federal allocation

[1:17:21] behind it. So, our our engineering firm that work for us on this also has

[1:17:25] pursued the grants and it stays on top of that grant pursuit for us. But for

[1:17:29] clarification, Alex, for my own clarification, when you say federal

[1:17:32] allocation, that allocation was delivered to the state and administered

[1:17:35] by the state. >> Correct. What what we is state

[1:17:41] administered with federal dollars behind some of it.

[1:17:46] » Go ahead. >> All right. So, we got two grants from

[1:17:51] the state, correct? >> That is correct. We got a

[1:17:55] » All right. There's no other ones that we can get

[1:17:58] from the state. >> This the grants would had been received

[1:18:01] prior to the project. >> Sorry.

[1:18:04] » And with the federal what is our percent >> with

[1:18:09] » excuse me >> we're paying an interest

[1:18:12] rate >> the interest rate with rate with the

[1:18:15] bond. >> Yeah.

[1:18:16] » It it fluctuates. Uh this next year we'll be paying 2.591%.

[1:18:23] » Okay. Um, is it too late to apply or lobby for federal assistance on that?

[1:18:32] » I I would I believe so, but I can't I'm

[1:18:36] not going to answer. >> I mean, you can always ask,

[1:18:39] » right? It's just a question of whether the federal government would find it in

[1:18:42] their heart of hearts to throw money at a democratic controlled state right now

[1:18:47] for a project that has already been built, already been financed, and it's

[1:18:51] turning over to long-term financing, you know, within a very short period of

[1:18:55] time. >> So, when will this process start the um

[1:19:00] upgrading? >> It's it's it's almost done.

[1:19:04] » Okay. >> And and you and you were already charged

[1:19:06] last year for the first part payment. So in your taxes last year, you paid the

[1:19:12] first payment. So this is this this we have to do a public notice every year to

[1:19:18] to to let you know the amount >> that shows up under the

[1:19:24] » one. >> One at a time when you when you we can

[1:19:29] » you're welcome.

[1:19:33] Does that show up under the cons on your tax

[1:19:37] » under the sewer debt? Sewer bond >> consolidates. So cons means consolidate.

[1:19:43] So it's consolidated sewer debt >> and that's different from the bonds.

[1:19:47] » So the consolidated So the one that showed up there's there was two on

[1:19:50] there. The reason there was a debt on there was because we are in short-term

[1:19:54] financing, which means we have to only collect

[1:19:57] money to pay interest on the money we were using at the time. And then when it

[1:20:03] gets transferred to a long-term bond, then you have to pay the full amount,

[1:20:07] principal and interest. So that will be removed. The the the smaller one will be

[1:20:13] removed off the tax bills this year. So you won't have that one. And then and

[1:20:18] then as far as the usage, so that's a totally different increase.

[1:20:24] » And is that correct? >> So your usage when you get your

[1:20:28] quarterly pay when you go to get your quarterly billing payment that's totally

[1:20:31] different than for what you're paying here.

[1:20:34] » So is this is this meeting have anything to do with why is the why has the usage

[1:20:39] gone up also? >> That would be operating cost. That would

[1:20:43] be Greg can speak. Greg is head of the the water sewer department of public

[1:20:47] works. >> Electric costs go up, postage goes up,

[1:20:52] chemical cost goes up, uh operation cost, salary.

[1:21:08] I shut that one off. Get rid of that one.

[1:21:13] » Give them the other one.

[1:21:19] Sorry, sorry. >> So that's okay. I So there is there's no

[1:21:26] uh time frame. Does that go up over the same amount over a certain time? You

[1:21:30] know, like it's it went up and then it went up quickly again. It was the same

[1:21:34] for that's just because of the economy. If if once we do our budgets and if what

[1:21:42] we charge today doesn't cover the cost for tomorrow, then we will have an

[1:21:47] increase. But until we know what our budgets are going to be for next year,

[1:21:52] we don't do an increase right now. We've in we we've charged for the year's worth

[1:21:57] of uh budgeting in your rates.

[1:22:09] Hi. Sorry I I just missed the first 10 minutes of everything, but I want to let

[1:22:15] you know I got a letter in the mail. I just bought property up on Warner Road.

[1:22:20] I have a well there. I'm going to when my house gets built here within the

[1:22:26] month, um I going to hook the line into the septic. So therefore, I

[1:22:35] I'm going to be paying this extra money. When does this take effect?

[1:22:43] » So, you won't you won't be charged this year

[1:22:47] until you >> So, it's it's a what was said earlier,

[1:22:50] right? The question would be is is she on the sewer line or not?

[1:22:54] » N. Yeah, but I will be once my house >> Well, it's not a question of whether

[1:22:58] your house is actually connected to the sewer or your property is connected to

[1:23:01] the sewer. just whether the sewer goes by your property. And so, because there

[1:23:06] are there are properties in the town who chose not to connect to the sewer for

[1:23:09] whatever reason or chose not to connect to the water system for whatever reason.

[1:23:13] Maybe they just got their septic installed and didn't want to connect.

[1:23:16] » So, but you I guess it's a good question. If you would give us your name

[1:23:19] and address, we can look it up and confirm that you are actually on the

[1:23:23] line because if you're on the line, then you should be getting charged the .edu.

[1:23:27] But if for some reason, people aren't perfect. If for some reason your

[1:23:31] property got included in this district's benefit assessment and it shouldn't have

[1:23:35] been, then we want to be aware of that to take it off.

[1:23:39] » Okay. >> What's your name and address?

[1:23:42] » It It's Deborah D E B O R H Lynch at 13 Warner Street.

[1:23:53] L Y N C H.

[1:24:02] » Okay, they can look that up. Yep. >> Okay,

[1:24:05] » we're gonna let other people speak while they're looking that up for you. Okay,

[1:24:08] you're welcome.

[1:24:13] » My name is Lyn Lucker. I live at 16 Brook A. I just wanted to go back to the

[1:24:18] math a minute because I'm kind of not understanding. I think I might have just

[1:24:23] heard number one. I I mean I have my tax bill right here. So I've got the sewer

[1:24:28] debt and the sewer bond. The sewer debt is I think what you meant by the smaller

[1:24:34] one and that's the one that is going to not appear on my 2027 bill. Yes. Is that

[1:24:41] correct? >> Okay.

[1:24:42] » So this year the I have 32384. I think it was the highest I looked at them all

[1:24:50] in tax net lookup or whatever it was. Um, and I understand that's the bond. So

[1:24:56] that's 30 years. I don't understand this new one. I I got to say I the questions

[1:25:01] that were raised by in my mind with this letter

[1:25:07] and I say this respectfully. I don't know who wrote it, but I don't think it

[1:25:11] was composed very well from your standpoint. It didn't

[1:25:17] explain a lot and it probably caused a lot of angst that didn't need to be

[1:25:22] there. And one thing I still don't understand is is the new .edu charge a

[1:25:30] one-time charge on the 2027 tax or is it 30 years again?

[1:25:38] » So, so the charge from 2026 is going to be replaced with the charge for 2027.

[1:25:45] So, it's you're only going to get one, but it's going to happen each year for

[1:25:49] 30 years. And the exact amount is going to change actually every single year

[1:25:53] because the debt payments are not level. They go up and down a little bit every

[1:25:58] year. So, like last year, the total amount collected was like 1.1 million.

[1:26:03] This in 2027, it's 1.3 million. So, we the edu value is going up slightly.

[1:26:09] » Okay. So that is very key to me and I I hope if anybody else picks it up because

[1:26:14] that means instead of me having 323 plus 264

[1:26:20] » Oh no. >> which made my head explode and I

[1:26:23] understand 33 is going away and being replaced by 264.

[1:26:28] » Well, it's 264 and ED. It's a 264 and edu,

[1:26:32] » right? >> So you need to know how many are your

[1:26:35] property. >> Okay. per and it does say per

[1:26:38] » per edu and you should have the number >> will be a little higher because I'm a

[1:26:42] one one >> and that's why you were three something

[1:26:44] last year >> so this year you'll be that 264

[1:26:49] » so let me just make sure you answered my questions I think you did

[1:26:53] » and and edus can change the amount of edus that that divide into the payment

[1:26:58] that we have to make also fluctuates >> the edu

[1:27:09] 4,000 whatever we get can change which can also change that amount per EDU.

[1:27:14] » I understand that. Okay. >> Okay. So, I just feel like I have to

[1:27:18] throw out there that the change in my taxes from 25 to 26 was 40% of the for

[1:27:26] the town. That's a big jump. And if I did my math right,

[1:27:34] my if with this new Well, of course, now I didn't know mine might go down a

[1:27:39] little bit. I don't know how that quarter I'd have to do more math real

[1:27:42] quick, but I'm potentially looking at my taxes doubling in two years. So, oh, the

[1:27:48] other question I had about this whole thing is you said this project is almost

[1:27:54] done. Right at the end of Quinn Estates, there

[1:27:58] used to be what I believe was a sewage treatment plant, right? And it's gone.

[1:28:02] They took it down, which I love. It's much nicer looking there. Is that part

[1:28:07] of this project, the removal of that? >> Yes.

[1:28:12] » Okay. Is there any other big project like this looming on the horizon that we

[1:28:19] should be prepared for? >> That that is a very fair question. Very

[1:28:25] fair. >> Very absolutely fair. There is a water

[1:28:28] upgrade for contaminants in the water system

[1:28:32] that is being researched now being engineered and looked at by the town

[1:28:36] board. Now >> that would hit our

[1:28:39] » This is all public knowledge. So I would advise everybody to stay very informed

[1:28:44] with the town and come to come to meetings. This new thing that we're

[1:28:47] putting out there, text my gov. >> If we have public hearings, it'll be

[1:28:51] shot out on there. You'll get it to your phone. you'll know what the public

[1:28:54] hearing is. >> Might be the first one

[1:28:57] » other than employees. All right. >> No, and that's the reason why we're

[1:29:02] doing this is is but the the water thing is is in engineering studies right now.

[1:29:07] It's not has not been approved to do to go forward. So,

[1:29:12] » thank you. >> Okay. You're welcome.

[1:29:18] » So, good evening. My name is Adam. Um, I live in the Frederick Road, uh, Kings

[1:29:23] Row, South Frederick Road, uh, area. And I guess first and foremost, um, I I we

[1:29:31] all know that we, you know, we have to help fund these, you know, as as

[1:29:36] homeowners. I've lived in the town of Sheno since 2007.

[1:29:40] Um, so I I chose the town of Sheno for a reason. Um

[1:29:46] there's a lot of other places I could have chose, but I chose here and I' I've

[1:29:49] lived here and I've remained here for a reason. I think one concern um that I

[1:29:54] have is again, we all like to flush our toilets. We know we have to to help fund

[1:30:01] the ability to flush our toilets and have it be safe. We all like clean

[1:30:04] water. We know we're going to have to help with the with the water um issue.

[1:30:09] My concern is over the last couple of years um I've noticed a steady decline

[1:30:14] Uh we've been through two or three town supervisors in the last year. Um I we

[1:30:19] have drainage issues on my street um that haven't been addressed. We you know

[1:30:25] my street was one of the only streets uh in the entire neighborhood that wasn't

[1:30:30] repaved this last year. Um so I guess I'm just trying to find out you know if

[1:30:36] I I don't have a problem funding things. I don't have a problem with a little bit

[1:30:40] extra tax as long as I'm seeing the benefits and I'm seeing the, you know,

[1:30:44] we're reaping the benefits as homeowners and as, you know, we're raising our

[1:30:49] families here. Um, but when I see my street overlooked for certain projects

[1:30:54] or when I see, you know, this last year we had a water emergency and I spent

[1:30:58] over $100 in bottled water. Um, several hundred dollar actually in bottled

[1:31:02] water. I have a family of six. um first time that I know that we've had a water

[1:31:07] emergency. Um so I guess my my mine is more of a statement more than a question

[1:31:13] which is just I'm concerned as a homeowner that have been here almost 20

[1:31:17] years and I'm starting to see a trickle of a decline um of the of the services

[1:31:23] here. Um and so we're being asked to pay more money for less service that I'm

[1:31:29] seeing. Um there are very good qualities of the town. I'm not I'm not certainly

[1:31:33] not here to dog the town. I still um enjoy living here. There are a lot of um

[1:31:39] you know, beautiful parks. There are, you know, nice services the town. I like

[1:31:43] the town cleanup days. I love that. But those are some of the things that I

[1:31:47] think the town can continue to do and maybe improve upon to make it friendly

[1:31:52] to uh raise your family and to continue owning a home here and to not have as

[1:31:57] much heartburn when we're asked to pay a little bit more for service. So that's

[1:32:01] my comment. >> Thank you.

[1:32:18] » I just have a quick question. Um,

[1:32:22] going back to the the the edus and all that stuff, there's like five trailer

[1:32:28] parks in this town. How do you figure what they pay?

[1:32:34] » They're not all on >> They're not all on sewer,

[1:32:38] » but if they are I mean some of them must be.

[1:32:40] » It would be it would be one edu per mobile.

[1:32:43] » I I believe it's in the code. >> Yeah.

[1:32:45] » Okay. So So it is a per person even >> per dwelling unit.

[1:32:49] » Okay.

[1:32:53] » Yeah, absolutely. That's Yeah, that's >> Well, then come up and speak.

[1:33:02] Castle Creek Road, but I also run the Castle Creek mobile home park. Uh, does

[1:33:07] anyone here live in a mobile home? No. Mobile home. So, I'm going to correct

[1:33:13] you on EDU. You mentioned EDUs nothing to do with usage. Unfortunately, you're

[1:33:18] wrong because an EDU dwelling unit is a standard measure used

[1:33:23] by utility companies to calculate water or sewer use based on a single family

[1:33:28] home. So which makes sense. I mean I got this

[1:33:32] education 10 years ago in the town of Irwin. I ran a park there and they

[1:33:36] brought in city water and sewer to the park. And we sat down first they

[1:33:42] notified me and said the average single family home does 300 gallons of water.

[1:33:48] Mobile homes use less. And we showed them the meter bills. 90 gallons per

[1:33:54] home. These are mobile homes. Most of them are two bedroom one.

[1:33:59] They don't have outside complaints outside homes don't come with

[1:34:06] we don't allow people to brush their cars. Uh it's totally different use

[1:34:11] single family home. So your question over

[1:34:18] because believe me I know it's going water sewer

[1:34:23] Greg knows I'm the kind of guy I'm under three mobile homes every day

[1:34:30] because mobile homes water

[1:34:39] the plastic lines but

[1:34:43] tell you

[1:34:52] and I'm in the trench. So you know I'm up here because

[1:35:06] home stats meter everything that's too

[1:35:19] but when I meter 60 homes I had to buy my meters all my own

[1:35:25] small All the lines in the streets, all the

[1:35:29] streets in there

[1:35:34] just like everyone else in the room has one connection in the street. So that's

[1:35:39] why I'm here

[1:35:49] 20 compar

[1:36:05] wasn't one for one more

[1:36:10] Oh, you're fine. >> You're fine.

[1:36:19] » Thank you.

[1:36:24] » Great. Um, I was in here for years about the road frontage requirements in the

[1:36:30] town of Schnangle. It's very hard to build a house in the town of Schnagle

[1:36:34] with 310 ft requirement for road frontage. It took my dad and I probably

[1:36:39] four years almost coming into this meetings and zoning boards trying to get

[1:36:45] uh because we have no road frontage, gas stations 100 ft. We want to lower this

[1:36:51] to get more people in the town of Schne right now. There there's plenty of land

[1:36:55] to be building houses in here, but it's not easy because of our road front

[1:37:00] requirements. Address those immediately. I just wanted

[1:37:04] to get this on the minutes because I've been in here on the minutes since 2021

[1:37:08] preaching this. So, you want more people in the town. Make it easier for me to

[1:37:13] come into the town. I brought it up to you a lot, Jean, in here. A lot. So,

[1:37:19] that's my two cents. Get more people in the town, this will go down.

[1:37:24] It's a good slope, too. >> Thank you.

[1:37:41] » Hi, my name is Dale Ball. I live on Cherry Lane. Uh, got a couple questions.

[1:37:46] Can the can the can the charge increase for any reason other than interest rate

[1:37:52] change? >> It can increase for the .edu amount.

[1:37:58] If the .edu amount goes down, then that debt has to be spread out over less

[1:38:06] EDUs. So the your amount could your amount could go up.

[1:38:11] » So So as as an example, let's let's say there's a commercial building

[1:38:16] um which they're they receive edus in part based on their water consumption.

[1:38:21] Um and if it burns down and it's demolished and it becomes a vacant lot.

[1:38:27] Let's say one of the car washes which are receiving the highest edus in the

[1:38:30] town at over like a 100 edus. Let's say one of those burns down and now it's a

[1:38:36] vacant lot. That'll get one edu. So the 99 edus are poof gone, right? which

[1:38:42] means the value that those people were paying is going to be spread around

[1:38:45] everyone else in the town and that is a way in which the value or the cost of

[1:38:50] the edu will go up. >> So my my number of edus I have two

[1:38:54] parcels. >> I have the one my house sits on and I

[1:38:58] have a completely unbuildable sideyard being charged for. So on the top my

[1:39:04] letter it says one and one the two levels. So the number doesn't change.

[1:39:10] It's just the cost per ED per the multiplier

[1:39:14] » in your case. So, and this is what the assessor has been advising people

[1:39:17] because for some reason there's a lot of lots in the in the town where people own

[1:39:21] a a small property immediately adjacent to them. Combine your lots because then

[1:39:26] it'll be one parcel and it'll receive one .edu.

[1:39:29] » Yeah, that's my that's my next question. U is that something I do with you guys

[1:39:34] » through the assessor's office? >> Who who hears from the assessor's

[1:39:38] office? That's a legal,

[1:39:42] » right? >> Yes.

[1:39:46] » So, if I combine the two lots into one lot,

[1:39:51] » that eliminates one of the builds. >> Yeah. And Alex, Alex had a good point.

[1:39:56] It'll end up being one point probably 1.25 because part of this is based on

[1:40:00] your amount of road frontage. It's a complicated formula, you know,

[1:40:05] unfortunately, but it caps out for >> that. That's why I said go to the

[1:40:08] assessor's office because she could explain it to you.

[1:40:11] » Okay. She she explained to you what what your front edi

[1:40:17] what it would what what how it would change your assessment.

[1:40:19] » So, just out of curiosity, I'm not trying to be difficult, but if it is if

[1:40:25] it's only frontage,

[1:40:29] well, that makes no sense at all because one house and you have a th00and foot of

[1:40:33] frontage your utilization is exactly the same as

[1:40:37] if I have 300 foot of frontage in one house. So what does the frontage have to

[1:40:42] do with the cost other than the the amount of pipe

[1:40:47] » when they buy the house? >> The the the theory

[1:40:50] or the the reasoning behind that is because a person with in your example a

[1:40:54] thousand feet of frontage has more potentially buildable lots than a person

[1:40:58] who has only 80 feet of frontage which is you know the the one that'll just get

[1:41:03] you the one. So I I've got another client who actually their code does

[1:41:08] specifically say it it you know in your example of like let's say it's a

[1:41:13] thousand foot of road frontage they actually do divide it up and charge

[1:41:17] based on the actual buildable lots in Sheneno they cap it for residential

[1:41:22] properties at 1.25

[1:41:26] deal. So whether your your property would be 200 feet or a thousand feet

[1:41:30] it's still going to be 1.25 25 because you're you're over the 80t and there's a

[1:41:34] formula that if it was like 83 feet it would be less but it caps out for

[1:41:39] residential dwellings at 1.25. So when you combine yours today in this

[1:41:47] particular case, you'll reduce your .edu by 75 your total because right now

[1:41:52] you're being charged two. >> And I'm just where do I find I mean I'm

[1:41:56] sure it's a booklet this thick >> and I deal with school districts so I'm

[1:42:00] used to stupid stuff but sorry it's the truth.

[1:42:06] » I think we just caught astray. >> Is is

[1:42:10] I didn't get to you. So, is there some place I can go and look at the math?

[1:42:15] Because I'm just weird that way. >> Look at the map for the map.

[1:42:19] » The assessment map or the or >> He wants to see the map.

[1:42:22] » Oh, the ma. The math. I thought you said math. I'm sorry.

[1:42:25] » Yeah. >> So,

[1:42:28] » yeah. So, it's town code section 56-5K. >> Okay.

[1:42:32] » Provides the formula, >> right? And then Greg's office, it did

[1:42:37] the linear frontage calculations for every parcel.

[1:42:43] And you know, again, people aren't going to be perfect. So they're if somebody's

[1:42:46] like, you I'm actually one foot less. That's something that the town board

[1:42:51] should know and we can send Greg out and have him roll it or something to confirm

[1:42:55] that the frontage calculation. >> So it's as simple as just plugging my

[1:42:58] frontage into this formula and outfits the Okay. All right. I can I can figure

[1:43:03] that out. Um Oh, I got that one. Um you mentioned a

[1:43:09] water project which made my ears perk up. Um do you have an estimate currently

[1:43:14] on because we I we got that that that

[1:43:18] letter very unclear letter um about potential possibly lead but no one would

[1:43:25] tell us where. I couldn't figure out whether my house had lead

[1:43:30] » and that's a separate that's a separate thing on sampling that Greg can explain

[1:43:34] on that. >> But what I'm curious about is do we have

[1:43:36] a potential estimate on what this water project's going to cost?

[1:43:39] » There are estimates out there. They keep being adjusted based on the scope of

[1:43:43] work. So we don't have anything firm yet, but as it comes in, we'll discuss

[1:43:47] it. But nothing's been approved. Engineering is strictly looking at the

[1:43:51] scope and what's available a in grants and the cost.

[1:43:54] » Okay.

[1:43:59] Think you got them all. >> Thank you.

[1:44:07] » Anyone else? Oh, yeah. >> There are copies of the formulas that we

[1:44:12] do use over there where the other the agendas are. It looks like this and it

[1:44:18] explains how I calculate it's now there. Well, there's 20 and if anybody wants

[1:44:22] one, we can make a copy. But uh this is how we calculated the

[1:44:26] edus by what the town code reads today.

[1:44:34] » Yep. Yep. Absolutely. It's it's on our website if you go to the code the town

[1:44:38] code in the ordinance department.

[1:44:43] » Go ahead sir. Robert Citri 25 Bishop Road

[1:44:50] and in this community for over 45 years >> and how long ago anybody else been

[1:45:00] » 63. >> What's the question?

[1:45:03] » So you must have grew up here. >> I've been 54 years here. I could add

[1:45:07] more years to that. I could add another 20.

[1:45:13] Uh, I'm just show my ignorance here. What is an .edu and how does that affect

[1:45:21] our bill?

[1:45:26] » So, an EDU is an acronym. It stands for equivalent dwelling unit.

[1:45:32] » Uh, I'm sorry, I'm using the microphone. I'm not if you want to come closer. I

[1:45:38] because I I'm using the mic. maybe get closer to a speaker to your right

[1:45:43] to your right. So an EDU is an acronym. It stands for

[1:45:48] equivalent dwelling unit. It is a means of assigning in this case sewer debt

[1:45:55] aortionment to all of the benefited parcels within the town sewer district.

[1:46:00] Um and it's meant to assess the benefit of the sewer system as it was explained

[1:46:06] by Mr. Simonus earlier this evening. It's not based on usage. Everybody who

[1:46:11] fronts on the sewer line should be paying into the edus. Um and when it

[1:46:18] comes to dwelling units, it literally means that. So a single family is

[1:46:23] charged one, a two family's charged two, a 69 unit mobile home park is charged

[1:46:30] 69. And then commercial properties which obviously don't have dwellings in them,

[1:46:36] there's a formula to assign them edus as well. It's all meant to, as Kevin

[1:46:42] explained earlier, look at the amount of debt that has to be paid, add up all the

[1:46:47] edus, divide it in, there's your number per edu, and then add it to the tax

[1:46:52] bill.

[1:47:02] Many haven't been in here for in this town for very long time. When uh they

[1:47:11] built the sewage treatment plant, which this all has come down to,

[1:47:20] it was woefully under undersized. And

[1:47:26] so now now we're having to pay for it.

[1:47:32] One of the letters that I got is a vacant lot.

[1:47:42] There's no sewage. There's no water.

[1:47:48] Matter of fact, for my own property, the town of Snagel will not give me

[1:47:53] water.

[1:47:58] That was Mr. Walls,

[1:48:02] Jerry Kelly made sure that that happened.

[1:48:17] Shame that something happened way back then.

[1:48:25] And because the town has a essentially hasn't grown at all

[1:48:32] over all those years. It's the same businesses

[1:48:37] up and down. You know, the same ones are flushing the toilet.

[1:48:43] There's no there's been essentially no new construction

[1:48:50] in our area.

[1:48:55] So that system built back in the 70s should be good enough

[1:49:02] for everybody. But we know it wasn't because it was never designed never

[1:49:08] designed to be

[1:49:13] a workable system for what was existing even at that time.

[1:49:21] So I guess the only question I got is I got

[1:49:28] that vacant lot,

[1:49:33] no sewer, never received a bill.

[1:49:42] What's my obligation? So the the town code spells out that there will be one

[1:49:48] edu assessed for a vacant lot if it is within the sewer district. So that that

[1:49:54] is why you're receiving one edu for that vacant lot. As mentioned earlier, if

[1:49:59] your vacant lot is next to your home occupied lot or another lot, the

[1:50:04] recommendation is combine those two so that you have one lot. But if it's a

[1:50:08] standalone vacant lot in the town and it's within the district and it fronts

[1:50:12] on a sewer line, then you will receive according to the town code an .edu.

[1:50:31] All

[1:50:42] right. Thank you.

[1:50:52] » We go go back a ways. You're talking about the edus and you said something

[1:50:56] about the 1990s. That's when

[1:51:01] the measurements were established or whatever. Is that statewide?

[1:51:05] » This was every every municipality comes up with their own formula as to how they

[1:51:11] choose to assess equivalent dwelling units when they utilize a system like

[1:51:16] this for the repayment of debt. I mentioned earlier I've got another town

[1:51:20] client that uses a very similar formula except they look at the total acreage of

[1:51:24] a parcel and say how many buildable lots and they charge you per buildable lot

[1:51:30] just limited and a cap on road frontage. I I literally was in a conversation

[1:51:34] because one guy is getting eight units even though he's got one house on it

[1:51:39] because he owns enough property that if it was divided up it could fit eight

[1:51:44] buildable lots. >> So who actually came up with it? who

[1:51:46] actually came up with >> the law was adopted in 1993. So it was

[1:51:50] the town board in 1993 that >> Wow.

[1:51:52] » established this formula. >> So talking to to Greg um was talking

[1:51:58] about the car wash down in Front Street that's going to pay me bucks.

[1:52:02] So what's to say they don't go out of business because they can't afford it?

[1:52:06] And what's to say that other business down in Front Street don't go out of

[1:52:09] business and we start looking really bad because they can't afford whatever they

[1:52:13] can't I you guys can change that thing in the 1990s, right?

[1:52:20] That's what you do. >> We could, but the dollar amount is still

[1:52:25] the same. We could charge the trailer parks more. We could charge businesses

[1:52:28] more. Um, at the time when this was assessed, it it it was a fair way to do

[1:52:34] this. If that's a discussion going forward,

[1:52:37] » this board could certainly take it up. But the dollar amount that we owe as a

[1:52:41] community doesn't change. So just because someone else is going to get a

[1:52:44] break, somebody else is going to pick that up.

[1:52:46] » You compare I'm wondering back then in the 1990s if when they were coming up

[1:52:51] with the way to do this, they were comparing it to other municipalities in

[1:52:55] the state to see how they do it. >> And it could it could have been I'm sure

[1:53:01] there was some >> I can't speak to that.

[1:53:04] » You know, I wasn't here. >> Now you got All I'm saying is I'm sure

[1:53:07] there was information information that was put together because the discussion

[1:53:10] was probably pretty in-depth on how fairly to do this. Right.

[1:53:14] » Right. Even when I look at it now, all right. In some cases, it does seem to me

[1:53:19] personally a little unfair, but in other cases,

[1:53:22] » I think some folks are getting a break. >> Right. How else do you do it?

[1:53:24] » Right. So, how else would you do it? >> Right. Exactly.

[1:53:26] » You know, to to try to be as even-handed as possible, car washes pay the most.

[1:53:30] And you're right. If a car washer leaves, we still owe that money to the

[1:53:34] bond. and it's got to get redistributed. >> Well,

[1:53:38] bring something else into this. Yeah, we've been to a few of the meetings. We

[1:53:42] were talking to the project management company out of Rochester

[1:53:47] that we're trying to work with and we're trying to get the survey and all this

[1:53:49] stuff. You just added all this money to

[1:53:53] everybody's tax debt and yet you want to try and get people to come in here and

[1:54:00] it's almost like a catch 22. I don't see it working

[1:54:03] » and and it kind of is. And just to clarify too that whether it's highway or

[1:54:07] department of public works, there are individual budgets there where we only

[1:54:13] have one source to get the funding. So what we've tried to do as a board and

[1:54:17] even previous boards, >> if you really identified through your

[1:54:21] tax bill, you'll notice that the town tax the town tax is very low and it

[1:54:27] hasn't moved since I've been on the board. Not one penny. So although it's

[1:54:32] not a great consolation, it's something because anything that we can do where we

[1:54:37] have general fund monies, the gentleman mentioned earlier about the parks, done

[1:54:41] a lot of upgrades to the parks, trying to pave that, change playgrounds and

[1:54:45] stuff for the kids. That is a completely different bucket and I wish personally

[1:54:50] we could take some of that bucket and offset these edus. I'm paying them too

[1:54:56] and they're and they're dramatic. I don't disagree.

[1:54:58] » I don't know how you guys do it. I've looked at your budget. It's just uh

[1:55:02] huge. >> Right. So, and like I said, every

[1:55:05] individual if you if you look at the budget, there are certain aspects of it.

[1:55:09] We can't like take money from the general fund to offset Department of

[1:55:13] Public Works or offset highway has to come from those specific places. And

[1:55:17] unfortunately, all of us in the sewer district

[1:55:21] » are going to be burdened with this debt. >> I'm just worried about the future

[1:55:25] because if you're talking water, I am too. Is that going to add, you know,

[1:55:28] more to the tax burden again? >> Potentially.

[1:55:31] » And we're paying a project management company that hasn't done a thing that

[1:55:35] nothing. >> The which I'm not sure which project

[1:55:39] manage the >> project management company that they

[1:55:41] hired for the out of >> Oh, Kers. Yeah. It's a It's a That's a

[1:55:45] completely different >> It's a different thing.

[1:55:47] » It's a different It's a completely different thing, right?

[1:55:50] » That's a completely different thing. >> It is. It is, but it's still our debt.

[1:55:53] It's It's our debt. >> That is not

[1:55:56] » No. No, no, no. I know that. But I'm saying if it raises our taxes because we

[1:56:01] hired this company. >> It doesn't. It does not.

[1:56:03] » See, I asked that question at the last meeting and nobody ever got.

[1:56:08] » We're a little unorthodox here. It's supposed to be a public hearing, not a

[1:56:11] question answer. But I understand.

[1:56:21] » I just got a a question. Uh if you have a commercial

[1:56:27] And there's a corner lock and there's no sewer line on one corner.

[1:56:35] You get charged just for the frontage that has a sewer line.

[1:56:44] Commercial or residential. If you if you are a corner lot, a you're charged on

[1:56:49] the shortest frontage. So if one's 100 and one's 80, you get charged on the 80.

[1:56:54] Um, if the sewer line only runs on the one, you should only get charged for

[1:56:59] that uh frontage. So, if your right side of your house doesn't have frontage and

[1:57:04] it's longer than the frontage that you have sewer on, you'll still get charged

[1:57:08] that shorter of the two frontages. >> Okay. Uh,

[1:57:16] we own the property on 141 Road and

[1:57:25] We put the sewer line in there with an agreement with the town back in 98

[1:57:33] and agreement said they would be charged 4.66 66 units EDUs

[1:57:41] and the letter we got says 6.11

[1:57:50] and also for putting the the sewer line in

[1:57:56] letter from David from Mr. Wall attorney

[1:58:02] said uh

[1:58:12] The unit charge shall be 20% of the total unit charge of all other users

[1:58:18] within the sewer district number two.

[1:58:25] » So I reviewed your letter and the agreement that you sent. So um and the

[1:58:30] correspondence for Mr. Walls. The agreement that you sent was unsigned. I

[1:58:34] looked back at the meeting minutes and resolutions from 1998. I don't see that

[1:58:39] the town board ever approved an agreement with you. And so if you have a

[1:58:43] signed copy of that agreement, please send it to us. Or if you know when

[1:58:48] exactly the town board took action to approve it, but otherwise there doesn't

[1:58:52] appear to be a record of the town actually approving an agreement with you

[1:58:55] on that. There was correspondence, but I don't see an approval by the town board

[1:58:59] on that.

[1:59:11] the the town board appears to have never authorized that.

[1:59:17] So the the fact that you were charged the 4.66 appears to have been incorrect

[1:59:21] when it was the prior debt service. Again, if you have a signed copy of that

[1:59:27] agreement because what you sent was unsigned,

[1:59:30] you know, please send it and we can look in the town clerk's records, you know,

[1:59:35] more. But I I just didn't see anything in the town board actions from 1998.

[1:59:48] » I I understand that, sir, but I just don't see where the town board actually

[1:59:52] authorized what you're talking about.

[1:59:59] If you can provide us with any other information that you have, we could

[2:00:03] still look into it.

[2:00:10] » I understand.

[2:00:15] Okay.

[2:00:24] My name is Katie Edwards, Ten Heights Court. Um, I'd like to understand really

[2:00:28] where the origination for these the pollution requirements came from. Um, I

[2:00:33] mean, I understand we want to have cleaner water going to our rivers. Uh,

[2:00:36] but who is more responsible? Who gave us the more restrictive requirements for

[2:00:39] the EPA or is the DEEC? >> The DEC essentially goes with the EPA

[2:00:46] guidelines. So, they it's just a trickle down. So, it wasn't above and beyond

[2:00:50] what the EPA recommended. >> No. No.

[2:00:53] » Uh, my second question is, you know, a lot of us would need would get more

[2:00:58] energy efficiency out of our houses by putting better insulation on, improving

[2:01:01] our windows. Um, but, you know, I'm not going to go sign a contract to do that

[2:01:04] unless I have the funds to pay for it. I'm not going to send a bill to all my

[2:01:08] neighbors and say, "Well, hey guys, why don't you pay for it?" Um, so I'd like

[2:01:13] to see that same sort of financial responsibility in this sort of

[2:01:16] circumstance. Um, I guess my my suggestion would be is that well, if

[2:01:20] we're going to increase this, we ought to pay this roughly $300 a year, which

[2:01:24] is going to work out to be $8,000 at current rates for most people, $10,000

[2:01:29] because we have a little bit of extra frontage apparently. Can we all agree to

[2:01:33] not raise the taxes for that amount and just sideline this money for for just

[2:01:39] this and, you know, put it hold back on our tax raises?

[2:01:49] So, as as Mr. Simonus noted earlier, the the town general taxes, the town the

[2:01:54] town collects less than $200,000 in town taxes. The highway tax is higher.

[2:02:01] There's also a fire protection tax. Those are different things than the town

[2:02:07] general tax. Um there there can be no way that the town board could possibly

[2:02:12] commit to not raising those taxes because those monies can only go to pay

[2:02:18] those things. The sewer has to come out of the benefited parcels. So like we

[2:02:24] can't divert money from the other places to this. And Jay mentioned earlier, the

[2:02:30] town board does tries very hard and has not since Jay's been on the board raised

[2:02:35] the town general tax. And I mean, it's just a like

[2:02:41] this board also cannot bind future boards. So in three, four, five years,

[2:02:46] 10 years when this sewer debt is still being paid, none of these guys might

[2:02:51] even be here. and it'll be a completely different group of people up here who

[2:02:56] will have to determine at that time how to fund town expenses and continue to

[2:03:00] pay this particular debt going forward still. So it's I mean what you've asked

[2:03:05] I think is a really difficult thing that the town just can't commit to.

[2:03:09] » I understand but on the same token our property taxes go up, our school taxes

[2:03:13] keep going up. It seems a little bit more financial responsibility maybe not

[2:03:16] necessarily specifically in the town part uh but across the board to kind of

[2:03:20] balance things out for the taxpayers. I also worry about the local businesses

[2:03:24] that are going to be fronting a big big bill from this. Um, you know, I work in

[2:03:28] academia. I'm familiar with grants. You know, if I don't get a grant, I don't do

[2:03:31] the work. So, you know, now we're paying something that

[2:03:35] » the the DEEC was going to impose daily fines on the town.

[2:03:41] » Uh, yeah, >> daily fines on the town if the town did

[2:03:44] not do this project. And this project is actually passed when it was supposed to

[2:03:49] be done and only but for the grace of the DEEC saying we'll give us this an

[2:03:53] extension. The town would be paying daily fines. So they have a pretty big

[2:03:58] stick to hit us with unfortunately. >> And and I believe we are under a consent

[2:04:02] order. Greg, is that correct? Correct. >> Yeah. So unfortunately,

[2:04:08] we as a community, we kicked this can down the road about as far as we

[2:04:12] possibly can because I remember when these new regulations came out and it's

[2:04:17] been almost 20 years. So they uh they did allow municipalities to comply last

[2:04:23] and we took every every day of that. >> And just remember you you get a public

[2:04:29] notice anytime the town does anything like this. So if we have to upgrade our

[2:04:34] plant, you will get a public notice for a public hearing like this where you can

[2:04:38] come and voice your opinion. Um so that that that weighs a lot on the town board

[2:04:44] if there's enough, you know, negative to it, they can make a determination that

[2:04:50] way, >> right? And and we always discuss those

[2:04:53] options of what we're required to do from a DEC or an EPA. So, someone had

[2:04:58] mentioned earlier about the water project. We're not anywhere near that,

[2:05:01] but as that does develop, if it develops, the text mygov app, all this

[2:05:08] public notice, everything will be mailed out because absolutely we do want to

[2:05:12] hear from everybody.

[2:05:15] » Thank you. And if you did send me a grievance

[2:05:19] letter after today's board meeting and the board reviews the responses to the

[2:05:23] grievance letters, we will be mailing them out. Just an FYI.

[2:05:40] » Good evening. Ed Branson, Shenangle Bridge Road. My only concern here is

[2:05:46] here in the TBUS is what happens like this brought out

[2:05:51] some numbers and an example. So if I had 100 ft of road frontage and a neighbor

[2:05:59] has 75 ft and me and my wife family of two in our

[2:06:05] house, family of five in the 75 ft. So I'm going to pay more than them even

[2:06:12] though they're going to use the system more.

[2:06:16] So you could see I might have an issue. >> I I get it. And you're 0.25 higher

[2:06:23] because of your road frontage. That's that's just the way the formula works.

[2:06:27] But I understand. >> Well, can't we just do a better formula?

[2:06:30] Like put a percentage on the amount of water used.

[2:06:33] » And that's a completely different discussion. Again, the debt amount won't

[2:06:37] change. >> It might reduce it for you, but somebody

[2:06:40] else sitting in the room is going to pick up the difference.

[2:06:42] » Right. But I'm saying if they use the water,

[2:06:45] » but it's not based on the usage. We base this off the frontage. If we were basing

[2:06:49] this off of usage, you'll be get a big fluctuation in your EDUs because

[2:06:53] nobody's going to use any water, right? And then all of a sudden that amount per

[2:06:57] gallon is going to skyrocket because we're basing it off of that. This was

[2:07:02] done in a pretty fair manner. Certainly, we could review it, but I understand

[2:07:07] what you're saying. I'm in the same predicament.

[2:07:12] All right. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:07:35] Uh like I said earlier, similarly

[2:07:39] with the water.

[2:07:43] came in through the office when it was down on front street.

[2:07:48] » I I don't want to interrupt you, but this is for the the sewer debt. This is

[2:07:52] not this is not for the water district. >> Okay. Uh

[2:07:58] » if anybody has any real concerns about the sewer district,

[2:08:02] » you've only got 30 days to do something.

[2:08:09] I know taking it to court division of New York State. You only

[2:08:16] have 30 days to question the municipality.

[2:08:23] » Yeah, it'll be 30 days from whenever the board votes to actually approve the

[2:08:28] sewer edu assessments. So I I don't believe the board isn't planning to take

[2:08:33] action tonight because there have been many letters sent to DPW saying, "Hey,

[2:08:39] you know, I'm grieving it. I should be at this number, not that number, which

[2:08:44] DPW has reviewed. They've given their comments to the board." The board will

[2:08:47] review those probably after the public hearing is over just to look at them

[2:08:51] more specifically and then they might choose to do it at the next meeting

[2:08:55] depending on how late it gets. Uh but the board I think will not take action

[2:08:59] tonight. Maybe at a meeting in September after they vote then yes 30 days.

[2:09:05] » But you did say that we or at least some people were charged

[2:09:11] last year.

[2:09:15] » So well over 30 days

[2:09:20] » to to challenge last year's assessment. Yes. challenged last year.

[2:09:26] Still challenged this year. >> Correct.

[2:09:38] » Anyone else before we close the public hearing

[2:09:45] » or do you want to leave it open?

[2:10:09] I heard that there's several people that have grievances against their EDU. So if

[2:10:15] the you look into that further and determine that yes, they were

[2:10:20] um calculated incorrectly and that they're they get lower then does that

[2:10:27] mean everybody else's will go higher to make up the difference

[2:10:32] » the the edu's assessment >> not the edu itself but the amount

[2:10:37] » the unit rate >> so then will there be another public

[2:10:40] will you have to have another public hearing on the new amount

[2:10:43] » no the the amount is set the budget time >> okay so this is just for the edu

[2:10:49] specifically even though it even though the letter gave the amount in there.

[2:10:53] » Yeah, that that was the number from last year. So to put it in a context that

[2:10:57] people might find more familiar >> just like your house in in the

[2:11:01] assessment for your house, >> right?

[2:11:03] » You know your house is worth $200,000. You get a notice that it's increasing

[2:11:07] from 200 to like 225. You get that in the spring. You go to the board of

[2:11:12] assessment review. You grieve it and the board of assessment review either agrees

[2:11:17] with you or not. And if you don't like what the bar did, you file a tax cert

[2:11:22] case challenging the assessment. This it's the same type of process. You get

[2:11:27] edus. If you challenge it, you file a lawsuit against the town to say, "Oh, I

[2:11:31] shouldn't have been at 1.13. I should have been at one or whatever the

[2:11:35] numbers." >> So, this is specifically for the .edu,

[2:11:37] not the amount of >> correct.

[2:11:52] Anybody else?

[2:11:58] All right, that looks like Am I closing it?

[2:12:03] All right, I'm going to close the public hearing for the debt assessment for the

[2:12:06] sewer district, Consolidated Sewer District. Thank you for coming.

[2:12:10] » Um, do you are we discussing these tonight?

[2:12:14] or what's the plan?

[2:12:22] » There's more. So, yes. >> So, they keep coming in. There was a

[2:12:26] list of >> I saw the responses to on those

[2:12:32] » responses were for each one, >> but there was an updated list. Jean, to

[2:12:36] your to your point, there's more that have come.

[2:12:37] » They keep coming in. I I gave them to noon today to put to send them to you by

[2:12:41] email, which I figured Right. >> But it's probably not. You know what I'm

[2:12:44] saying? That's why I think future. So, what do you want to do for a cutoff?

[2:12:48] What's the best? >> I mean, today was the cut off.

[2:12:51] » This Let's just get it updated because there were some that came in today.

[2:12:56] Okay. So, I'm in I'm in favor of updating that, reading through all of

[2:13:00] them, and then having that discussion with responses

[2:13:04] » with the responses. >> It's just

[2:13:09] » the new five that I >> Is that what it is? Five.

[2:13:12] » There was five that I sent out today. >> Right. Those those just need to be

[2:13:15] included to what I I just printed off the spreadsheet, Greg.

[2:13:19] » It's on the new spreadsheet as well. I >> Right. But I the responses the letters

[2:13:23] and the responses that you initially sent with the original sheet. I think

[2:13:27] » they're all on the agenda. >> If you click on the one, the two

[2:13:32] » on the agenda under letters. >> I think he added some this afternoon.

[2:13:36] » There's five more, >> right,

[2:13:37] » that he sent by email that has his response with them. But we can put them

[2:13:41] all together for a future meeting. >> Yes.

[2:13:43] » Okay. And then the person who showed up tonight that I I think caught as an

[2:13:49] actual like question to look into was Deborah Lynch at 13 Warner Road. Just to

[2:13:52] check is she actually on the sewer line or not?

[2:13:54] » Yes, she is. >> Yes.

[2:13:58] » Yeah. So I put I mean she came she appeared. There should be just a

[2:14:01] response to that to the town board so the town board knows.

[2:14:07] » 13 >> 13 Warner Road. 13 Warner Road.

[2:14:11] » Yeah. Warner Road. Yep.

[2:14:17] » So, when do you want this? What What agenda do you want this on?

[2:14:21] » I think we got to do this next.

[2:14:26] » Yes.

[2:14:35] Okay. 92 sewer edu agenda.

[2:14:42] Okay. Anything else tonight?

[2:14:46] » You didn't need to do an executive session.

[2:14:53] » Yeah. >> Without him.

[2:14:55] » Well, I thought you asked Alex to come. >> Oh, for RFPs.

[2:15:03] » Is I I'm just trying to remember what we've talked about in the past.

[2:15:14] Yes.

[2:15:21] Okay.

[2:15:25] Yes.

[2:15:41] Huh?

[2:15:44] » Yeah.

[2:16:07] You want the process?

[2:16:10] » Oh. Oh, the have to go back to old business.

[2:16:14] » I I I don't know. I mean, >> it's I don't think you guys need to get

[2:16:18] overly rott about it. You just want to have an executive session for the topic.

[2:16:22] I mean, you're it's your meeting. You can bring anything up at any point if

[2:16:26] you feel like you need to do it.

[2:16:34] about doing this tonight or putting on a future topic.

[2:16:37] » It's your It's your >> I was just trying to remind

[2:16:41] » you can do whatever we want.

[2:17:01] We wanted to convert

[2:17:26] just

[2:17:38] is the existing.

[2:17:49] » So, which one do you want to do first?

[2:17:54] » Huh? in executive session first and then

[2:17:58] discuss out afterwards.

[2:18:07] » Yes.

[2:18:12] » I I agree. There's no reason why not.

[2:18:38] I'll second that. >> Any discussion? None.

[2:18:41] » I have none. >> Roll call.

[2:18:46] » Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus. >> Hi,

[2:18:48] » Mr. Johnson. >> Hi,

[2:18:49] » Mr. Mr. Hbert, Mr. Warden. >> Hi.

[2:18:52] » Is that something you guys want me on?

[2:18:58] » I don't think so.

[2:19:04] » Sorry.

[2:19:23] Thank you.

[2:20:51] Yeah.

[2:21:33] That's

[2:22:29] question.

[2:22:42] What's up?

[2:24:03] Sorry.

[2:26:19] Is

[2:28:05] Thank you.

[2:30:41] I will

[2:31:08] pop it out.

[2:33:26] Yeah.

[2:35:07] You want to create?

[2:35:25] Yes.

[2:35:51] What was

[2:36:07] One

[2:36:58] Yeah.

[2:37:04] that people

[2:37:16] wasn't good.

[2:37:47] That's it.

[2:38:38] ridicul. Yeah.

[2:38:48] So last

[2:39:21] Oh yeah.

[2:39:33] There's

[2:39:45] going

[2:40:01] around.

[2:40:24] So what it

[2:40:30] everyone.

[2:41:12] address.

[2:41:26] You

[2:41:41] You're not

[2:42:04] You actually.

[2:42:46] Yeah, there's another gentleman

[2:43:01] What's

[2:43:12] not

[2:44:09] I'll say

[2:44:36] Oh, it's

[2:45:09] Washington.

[2:45:28] Jordan.

[2:45:58] How many

[2:46:23] That's coming out.

[2:46:35] very

[2:48:15] That's

[2:52:55] motion 747.

[2:53:06] Okay, we're back in regular session.

[2:53:33] I'll second that. Any discussion? >> None.

[2:53:37] » Okay. >> Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus. Hi.

[2:53:42] » Mr. Johnson. Hi. Mr. Halbert. Hi. Mr. Warden. Hi.

[2:53:58] No, I think Alice can go, but Darren should say, right?

[2:54:08] » That That was funny when you I'm sorry. That one was funny.

[2:54:15] I'll be right here waiting for you.

[2:54:52] How does it work?

[2:55:17] It's All

[2:55:30] right.

[2:55:50] Are you sure?

[2:57:27] That's hard.

[2:59:06] There is

[2:59:20] heat.

[3:01:02] You have

[3:01:43] Okay, thank you.

[3:17:09] Yeah.

[3:23:38] That's

[3:24:32] All right, we're back in regular session.

[3:24:35] Does anybody have anything else for this evening?

[3:24:42] I just wanted to acknowledge that Mr. Crack stayed till the end of the meeting

[3:24:45] and we appreciate his presence.

[3:24:49] » Do I have a do I have a a second for the motion?

[3:24:56] » Yeah. >> Second.

[3:24:59] » All in favor? Hi. Hi. >> We're out of here.

[3:26:13] I don't know. I was just guessing.

[3:26:29] I saw those. I saw those

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