[2:28] Hi. >> Okay. Greetings everybody. It's 6

[2:30] o'clock. We can start our meeting. Everybody signed in here and we have um

[2:35] two people on Zoom.

[2:40] Okay. First order of business uh is to appre

[2:45] approve the previous minutes of 7:15. I read through them. I don't have any

[2:51] comments. Deborah. >> Nope.

[2:53] » Um I'll make a motion to approve them as written.

[2:57] » I'll second that. >> Second. Okay. All in favor?

[2:59] » I >> I Okay.

[3:02] Uh are there any additions or deletions to today's meeting?

[3:08] » Hearing none. We'll say one. Right. >> I changed.

[3:11] » Oh, you changed. Yeah, I added it. Yeah, >> the never ending agenda.

[3:16] » Um, so yes, we uh we don't have any uh changes. And does everybody have any

[3:22] conflicts of interest for today's agenda items? I do not.

[3:28] » Okay. >> And there are none.

[3:32] » Okay, great. Um, this is going to go fast because our first item, um, Tasha

[3:39] Wallace is not available tonight. She's feeling ill. So, we're going to push her

[3:44] to next month's meeting and she's going to give us just an update on LCPC, what

[3:48] they're doing, and what they could do for us. So, we're we're going to skip

[3:52] that and we're going to jump right to the dog complaint that we've received.

[3:59] Um, I'll just go through a little bit. Um,

[4:04] you know, for those who aren't aware there, we have a we had a complaint come

[4:08] in regarding a dog that was barking uh excessively

[4:14] um in all hours of the night allegedly and our uh animal control officer went

[4:21] out. He gave us a report um basically he contacted the dog owner.

[4:28] Uh they denied that uh it was their dog and uh since then we have received uh

[4:36] two emails from neighbors that uh also state that they did not hear any dog

[4:43] barking. Uh do we have the complaint in here? Okay. Uh would you like to give us

[4:49] a little history? >> Sure. I've um been on that road for

[4:53] about five years now. >> Okay. the past um three years um I've

[4:58] had dogs um barking um at all hours. I mean 4:45 in the morning, 12:09 at

[5:06] night, 5:50 in the morning, 5:35 in the morning. I don't have air conditioning,

[5:11] so anybody that has air conditioning might not hear them. It's short, sharp

[5:16] um sparks and it's almost like an alarm going off and a couple times it's on

[5:21] like a Saturday morning and I mean the 4:45 on a Saturday morning when you have

[5:25] company and everybody in the whole house is up is totally unacceptable. I mean I

[5:30] think towns usually have ordinances of sometimes that you know 7 to 10 kind of

[5:35] um you know I mean 10 to 7 in the morning are quiet hours normally. Um I

[5:40] mean you know five uh 650. I mean, I wouldn't be complaining, but I mean, I

[5:47] had my windows open and it's just been disruptive for a couple years.

[5:53] And a lot of people have dogs on that road and I don't hear anything at that

[5:56] time of the morning. >> You're Gail, but uh could you just

[6:01] identify yourself so we have for record? >> Yeah.

[6:04] » Y >> Thank you. Uh we also have um the dog

[6:10] owners here represented by Samantha. I don't know who wants to speak but uh

[6:15] maybe you can give us a little bit and then I'll go into where we need to go

[6:18] from here. >> So um I have two dogs um two labs and we

[6:25] are two houses apart so we don't live next door to each other. Um my dogs

[6:30] sleep in front of us. I have two young kids so they're also in bed with the

[6:35] kids. My kids actually sleep till 7 or 8. Even this morning, I had to like wake

[6:40] them up. My kids don't get my dogs don't get up until we get up in the morning.

[6:45] Um, definitely not up at 4 in the morning with my kids or my dogs. Um,

[6:52] occasionally I let them out around 11, maybe 12 if they have to go to the

[6:57] bathroom, but it's no more than five minutes and then they're back inside.

[7:01] just enough time for me to pee and them to pee and they go back to bed. Um, I

[7:06] know there's a, as she said, there's a lot of dogs on our road. I actually took

[7:10] a v video on Sunday of someone's dogs barking in the distance that were not

[7:15] mine with a video of my dogs and I don't mind presenting that.

[7:18] » Okay. >> Um, as there is other dogs in the

[7:20] neighborhood, not just mine. >> If you want to hear it, you guys can

[7:25] hear a dog howling. Well, I think the next Well, we'll get to the next step

[7:28] because I don't think we're going to resolve it tonight, but

[7:31] » So, are you Samantha? I am Samantha. >> Just wanted to clarify that for the

[7:34] minute. >> Yeah. And um

[7:38] » and my kids like need to sleep too. So, if they're going to like not going to

[7:42] let my dogs be working and also I don't want to be up for h like more than five

[7:47] minutes at night letting them in and out if I have to. Um so, definitely I am not

[7:53] a night person. I work all day long. So, um, and then I come home, they're

[8:00] outside, they bark if someone's walking by, they bark if there's a bear in the

[8:04] property, they bark if there's a deer, which is not a very, you know, not like

[8:09] it happens every day. >> Okay.

[8:12] » Well, for the record, both uh parties were notified on August 5th by the town

[8:16] to to appear at tonight's meeting. We we do appreciate you coming tonight. Um

[8:21] there there is a a dog ordinance in the town that's available online, but I'll

[8:28] just kind of hit the highlights of what we're talking about tonight. And section

[8:33] 4 talks about disturbances and nuisances. Um no person shall keep or

[8:37] harbor a domestic pet which disrupts the quiet comfort and response of others by

[8:43] frequent habitual or persistent barking or howling. So, that's kind of the um

[8:49] thing that we're talking about here. Um there are penalties. Um if if found uh

[8:56] that it's a problem, there's a the first offense is a warning. The second offense

[8:59] is uh a $50 fine or empoundment. And the third uh which hopefully we never get to

[9:06] is empoundment or $100. In addition, there's other fees. So, um how do we

[9:12] resolve this? Well, the select board

[9:18] um is the enforcer of local ordinances. Um we can issue formal warnings, impose

[9:23] civil fines, uh authorize an animal control officer

[9:28] to seize or impound the dog if it violates a noise ordinance. So hopefully

[9:33] we don't get there. Um and most importantly, we can hold hearings uh and

[9:38] issue orders. So, we have received a written complaint which kind of follows

[9:43] everything that we're supposed to have. You gave the times, you gave all the

[9:46] information. So, that's good. So, we don't have to go back in time. So, the

[9:51] next step would be to hold a hearing uh and order the owners to take remedial

[9:57] action if necessary. Uh so, we need to convene a meeting and

[10:07] we could set a time and date for that. It'll be a public meeting. It won't be

[10:11] in this format. It'll just be for uh for that issue. So, if if you guys want to

[10:17] give us a time and we can see if we can work out an evening or whenever works

[10:21] for everybody. Um then you can present your case and the select board will make

[10:26] a decision um of what to do.

[10:31] So, with that being said, um I think that's the next step because I don't

[10:35] think it's going to get resolved tonight.

[10:38] Correct. Um I mean that it doesn't sound like it. So, it sounds

[10:44] » even a dispute as to if it's your dog, right? I don't like

[10:49] » it's definitely their dog, >> right? So, again, we're not

[10:52] » that's during the day. That's the question that's in contention,

[10:56] » right? They let the dogs out even during the day. It's a sharp bark a couple

[11:00] times. They do pull them in, but it's the same dog that's barking at night. I

[11:05] mean, I have no issues with a dog barking during the day. I mean, usually

[11:09] after 15 minutes, the dog would probably be in disgust. Wouldn't want to leave it

[11:12] out anyhow. Um, but it it's definitely their dogs and at night. I mean, I've

[11:17] had company, family, all been woken up. Um, I believe sometimes people come in

[11:22] late at her home and that's where the times come in. And some of these are

[11:27] actually before school was even out and the kids

[11:30] were even there. So, I can um I mean I can start taping if necessary, but I'm

[11:36] not all the time to >> So, at this point, we need to set that

[11:39] meeting date, correct? >> For the interested parties and concerned

[11:43] parties to come forward and meet with the select board, right? And have it's

[11:47] really a hearing. It's a hearing. >> It'll be a hearing uh in this room, but

[11:50] it's just going to be us. >> Just us.

[11:52] » It is a public meeting if somebody wants to show up, but I don't know if anybody

[11:55] will. And if you have witnesses, uh, we suggest that you bring them along.

[12:00] » Okay. Recordings. >> Sure.

[12:02] » So, heard this right. I'm out hell and at the moon. I can be fine 100 bucks.

[12:08] » Yeah. You got to stop at

[12:13] » only if your name is >> Jack.

[12:16] The ordinance. It's an ordinance. >> It's it's it's a noise ordinance and um

[12:21] if it's a violation, we need to resolve it. So,

[12:25] um it's just this this meeting is to set up um the hearing

[12:32] » a hearing, right? >> And uh if you let us know what days

[12:35] you're available, we could do it next week. We could do it the following week

[12:38] whenever uh you're good.

[12:45] It's a meeting that'll have to be warned because all three select board members

[12:48] will be here, >> right? We'll have to be here. So, is

[12:50] evening best for you folks, for the parties involved? Is evening best?

[12:55] » Yes, but I am not available the 18th through the 20th.

[12:59] » Okay, good to know. Thank you. >> So, at least the 17th, the 19th, the

[13:05] 21st. >> I'm not.

[13:09] » Okay. >> Well, let us know when you're

[13:12] We're pretty flexible. >> I'm not available with 17 at all.

[13:16] » Okay. Do we want to just try to do this by email?

[13:20] » I don't think we're going to be able to do it by email because we have a lot of

[13:24] information already and it calls for a hearing

[13:26] » through and figure out the date. The date

[13:28] » Oh, the date. Well, >> the date I think we need to determine

[13:31] the date right now. If that would be my hope.

[13:35] » I mean, if the week of the 17th doesn't work, we can move it to

[13:38] » What about like September 3rd or something right before Labor Day?

[13:41] » I'll be in Utah. Okay. Well, >> let's do it in Utah.

[13:46] the next couple weeks. I mean, so >> so you're not available the next couple

[13:49] weeks. Okay. >> Okay.

[13:51] » Um, so so we're looking at the week of the 7th

[13:57] possibly or >> that's after Labor Day. Yeah,

[14:01] » the week of the 7th. Um, we have a select board meeting on the 9th. We

[14:05] could do it before then if that works. Like 5:00 on the 9th.

[14:08] » You're going to be out of state from >> Oh, on the 9th to the 9th.

[14:11] » It'll fly back until the 9th. >> Okay. Um the 10th, September 10th.

[14:21] » Um >> you know, can we just

[14:26] » Okay. Um the 11th, maybe it's a Friday or the following week, the week of the

[14:31] 14th. >> Not the whole month of September.

[14:36] » Well, you can appear by Zoom if that works for you. We don't do Zoom. Okay.

[14:42] Um, >> I guess

[14:47] we do anything like next week or something or early next week like Monday

[14:50] or Tuesday or something. >> So the 17th or 18th?

[14:53] » 17th. >> I can't do an evening the 17th at 5:00.

[14:57] I'm I'm I have another meeting but the 18th is we have engagements 18.

[15:05] » Yeah. >> Three people waiting. That's it.

[15:09] » You know, it's hard because we're all dealing with the end of the summer.

[15:13] Family is still coming. People are traveling. You know, it's it's

[15:16] challenging. That's all I'm acknowledging.

[15:19] » Well, you guys work at a date. I'm pretty much available.

[15:22] » Well, I don't want to do that. I want us to come up with a date that we can all

[15:26] agree to right now because it's very difficult to try to do it over email or

[15:31] in any other way. >> 18th. Can it be a weekend?

[15:38] I'm not available the 18th. >> The 18th is my birthday. I would prefer

[15:41] not to for that.

[15:45] » So any other day would be great.

[15:55] » I could be available for an hour meeting on the 19th.

[16:00] » The 19th of August, >> Wednesday. I work out of state and I

[16:05] don't I'm not here that much. Um but when I am here I need to sleep and I

[16:09] can't have dogs waking me up but I am not here

[16:14] that day. >> 19th.

[16:18] Okay. Well, why don't we ask when when are you available?

[16:26] » She's going away. I forgot the dates again. What did she just say?

[16:29] » The 1st of the 9th. Other than that, I'd really like not to be here on my

[16:32] birthday. >> Oh, you should not do that. Everything

[16:35] else, I'll make it work. >> Well, bring your cake.

[16:37] » So, what does the 23rd >> annual thing? No,

[16:41] » you don't want that. >> Friday,

[16:47] » the 20th 47.

[16:53] » Well, yeah. evening because there is an easy agent earlier three block that some

[17:00] of us are involved in or if civil authority

[17:06] is the 20th possible for people's birthday but I will make it work. It

[17:12] just takes you two sons of >> Is that your birthday? My birthday is

[17:17] the 18th and my six-year-old spring seven is on the 20th. And so I've

[17:21] scheduled those three days to do something with her, but I will make the

[17:24] 19th work. I really prefer not to be here.

[17:26] » And the mornings don't work. It has to be in the evening.

[17:30] » Oh, I could I'll make any other day work timewise. I'll just move my clients

[17:34] around. Um, >> is there anything in the morning that we

[17:38] could do like like next Monday or Tuesday?

[17:43] » I'm available. >> The 17th or 18th? Yeah.

[17:46] » Yeah. I'm available in the morning to zoom in.

[17:49] » First thing you wanted to do 8:00 or 8:30

[17:52] » 8:00 Monday 17th would work. >> Yeah. 8:00.

[17:56] » Is that okay for you? >> Do that.

[17:58] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> The 17th.

[18:00] » I'd have to move patients around. Um >> the 17th at 8 a.m. Is that possible?

[18:06] » Just checking. No, >> she has patient schedu.

[18:09] » I have patients scheduled and I just wander scheduled and that's the only day

[18:13] she can do. Right. What what time would there not be a on the 17th? Is there any

[18:18] time that works anytime in the morning?

[18:24] » 9:45 or

[18:27] » 10:00 >> or 10 o'clock?

[18:29] » Maybe. >> All right. Well, we we can do it.

[18:33] » Hold on. Hold on. Back to 10:00.

[18:38] » If Trevor can't make it, that's fine. >> That's fine. It'll be two of us.

[18:41] » Okay. >> It's a majority.

[18:43] » No. or 8:00. >> 10:00

[18:44] » Stop shorty. >> Okay. So, what time on the 17th?

[18:49] » Did we agree on a time for the 17th? >> 10:00.

[18:54] » 10:00. Is that possible? >> Works. I'll make it work.

[18:58] » You can without making it impossible. I don't want to make things impossible

[19:04] for people. So, >> okay. 10:00 a.m.

[19:10] » the 17th. >> On the 17th. And if if any of your

[19:14] witnesses aren't available, they can zoom in or if we have a couple emails. I

[19:20] mean, that's fine, too. We can bring you can just enter them. I This isn't a

[19:24] courtroom, but we'll do the best we can. >> Okay. Does that work? Okay, then. Thank

[19:31] you both for coming and uh hopefully we'll resolve this on the 17th

[19:36] » at 10:00 a.m. >> Are we allowed to Am I allowed to get

[19:39] the dates and times ahead of time? >> Yes.

[19:43] » I I will send it to you. >> Sometimes.

[19:46] » Oh, it's in the package. >> I think it's in the material.

[19:50] » Those in my house with my dogs. I'm not ready.

[19:53] » Even during the day here in the package.

[19:56] » Oh, it is here. >> I think it's it's here.

[19:59] » Just It's only me at home and my mom that

[20:03] takes >> second page.

[20:07] » Here's your

[20:11] » No, no, second page >> in the in the packet. A minute for me.

[20:15] » Okay. >> Oh, get the second page.

[20:20] » Here it is. I've got it. Yeah. >> Okay. So, um

[20:28] just you know, whatever you can

[20:34] uh we'll we'll try to resolve this one way or another, but it's probably going

[20:37] to go to a warning and

[20:41] » the next step. >> Yeah. But we'll do our best.

[20:46] » We We will do our best >> solve the matter. Yeah.

[20:50] » Yeah. We've had issues with dogs biting people and stuff and we had to have dogs

[20:54] removed from the house, but we don't we don't want to go there. It's not even

[20:58] close to being there. people that live next to me that are there 247 don't hear

[21:02] my dog, right? So, house two doors down is complaining who's not even there half

[21:06] the time >> and knows it's my dogs, but she's never

[21:10] met my dogs. My dogs. >> All right. Well,

[21:12] » so we'll hear all >> we'll hear all that. Bring whatever you

[21:15] have. And >> if your witnesses can't attend, uh

[21:19] » maybe statements from >> Yeah, a statement from a witness is

[21:22] fine. Or if they can attend by Zoom, uh we have the two emails. That's fine. If

[21:27] you have anything else, just bring it along with you and we'll try to try to

[21:31] resolve this. >> Like,

[21:34] » yeah, >> like that their dispute.

[21:36] » I mean, >> money on the road. Just saying.

[21:38] » I I you know, it's hard for for us because we weren't there.

[21:43] » So, we'll do the best we can. And if if a warning is issued,

[21:47] it that'll hopefully be the end of it. >> But we need to have more investigative

[21:53] information. I need everything we can have

[21:56] » as best we can. >> Okay.

[21:58] » So, if I give them to these to my neighbors and they'll be like, I guess

[22:01] » correct. Have them write statements. >> That'll be fine.

[22:04] » Documentation. >> Okay.

[22:06] » Again, thank you for coming. If you if you want to stay through our meeting,

[22:09] you're more than welcome. But >> yes,

[22:14] » exciting. >> Everybody has different excuses.

[22:19] » Okay. Um, now that the dog complaint >> is over,

[22:24] » dealt with, right, >> man, we spend more time on dog stuff.

[22:29] Well, well, last year we had the cat, >> the chiller cat,

[22:34] » but yeah, remember there was a cat running around.

[22:36] » I got to come to more meetings >> and it turned out to be the wrong cat.

[22:39] They identified the wrong cat.

[22:43] » No, you can't make it up. Okay. Uh, in either case, uh, you know, we will have

[22:50] We'll do whatever we're supposed to do in accordance with the local ordinance,

[22:53] which is hold a hearing and we will find out who's right and who's wrong

[22:57] hopefully. >> Okay. The next item we have on here is

[23:01] another big item. Um Sharon Draper has suggested that the windows in the town

[23:07] office and the town hall be cleaned cuz apparently they're dirty. Uh I asked

[23:15] her to get a couple prices which she did. One was for $1,50

[23:20] and one was for $620. Uh Sharon has requested approval to move

[23:26] forward. Are there any comments from >> You don't clean them or No,

[23:35] » that's not in her job description. >> But but shorty, we will take volunteers.

[23:41] » Um Dave and I volunteer. Do do you got Can you guys hear me? This

[23:47] is Betsy. >> Betsy.

[23:49] » Yeah, Betsy. >> Yeah. So, Dave loves doing windows and I

[23:53] will support him. So, >> I think Dave just got volunteered.

[23:56] » Oh, yes, he did. >> Hi, Dave.

[23:59] » Hi, Dave. >> He's not here. Therefore, he's got

[24:03] » Yeah, there's just no way we should spend that money.

[24:06] » Being volunteer, >> we will do it. We will do it. Dave and I

[24:12] will do it. I'll bring a crew, >> right? That's fantastic. We thank you

[24:16] for that >> and we will tell Sharon.

[24:21] » I I'll call Sharon and we'll set up a time.

[24:24] » Okay, >> great. Thank you, Ben.

[24:26] » We appreciate that. And then when you're done, 620 camper.

[24:31] » Um, >> I'll send Dave over.

[24:36] » Where is Dave? Let him defend himself. >> Dave Dave's up at the farm. He's late

[24:40] for dinner, so too bad. >> Wow. That's what happens when you get

[24:44] volunteered. >> Bring beer.

[24:49] » When are you going to tell him? >> He gets home.

[24:54] » The middle of the night. >> I'll call him as soon as he gets home.

[24:58] » I just texted Michelle Greson. She wants to be in on this next item.

[25:02] » Is she on? >> Uh she's going to call in. She's at

[25:05] work. >> Okay.

[25:06] » But uh she asked me to text her, which I did.

[25:09] » When we're ready. >> We're ready. Um, so Nancy, uh, the the

[25:13] next item here is the EPC recommendation for open positions. Um, first I I just

[25:19] want to say a couple things. One, it's great. We had four candidates apply. Um,

[25:26] which is is great. There's times we can't get anybody. So, the fact that we

[25:30] have uh four candidates applying is a fantastic thing. Uh, it's great to see

[25:36] this type of interest in a open position.

[25:40] Um, so with that, uh, Nancy, if you want to

[25:45] take it until we'll see if Michelle Oh, Michelle's here. Okay,

[25:48] » Michelle. Right. >> Um, where is she?

[25:53] Should be at the top. >> There she is.

[26:00] » Michelle. >> Yeah, she's on.

[26:01] » She's there. >> Yes, I I'm here.

[26:05] » Okay, good. We're We're just getting into this. I was just thanking everybody

[26:09] that uh and pretty happy about the fact that we did have four candidates and u

[26:15] you know I don't know if you or Nancy want to take it um and kind of go

[26:19] through what you did and then I have some notes.

[26:24] » Uh Nancy if you're there if you want to run through it. Sorry I just uh I I bet

[26:30] I'm on a little bit of a vacation right now and just wanted to call in and be

[26:33] available. >> Yeah, I can take it.

[26:38] Glen, like you just said, we had four really good candidates. We had um

[26:43] different backgrounds. We had different um

[26:48] experience. We had different um a variety, I

[26:56] um reasons to want to be on the board. And

[27:02] um we did go the three of us went into executive section and we did um come up

[27:08] with two names to advance as a recommendation.

[27:12] Um we decided to as our recommendations Betsy Perez and

[27:18] Brian Evans.

[27:21] » Yes. >> Right.

[27:24] um process was

[27:29] really just to go back over um they they were all there, all four of

[27:34] them. They um spoke um about their experience, about why they wanted to be

[27:42] on the board, about um their backgrounds and where they're coming from. Um

[27:49] all of them had something definitely to bring forth. Um

[27:58] and we made the this these decisions um based on all

[28:05] that information.

[28:09] » Michelle, do you have anything to add? >> Nope. I think you covered it, Nancy. We

[28:14] had four really great candidates and they all um all but one um had submitted

[28:21] their letter of interest prior to the meeting last month and everyone had

[28:27] really great qualifications and things to bring to the board um for the select

[28:31] board to decide and that's what we came with our recommendation. It wasn't easy.

[28:35] Uh we were lucky to have so many great applicants.

[28:41] » Okay. Could could we get the names of all of the

[28:45] » Yeah, I'm going to go through that. Um, in addition to the EPC recommendation,

[28:51] uh, which we all received, the select board has reviewed the verbal

[28:54] introductions by each of the candidates. Um, we also, uh, reviewed the recording

[29:00] of the EPC meeting. We all watched it. Um, the letters of interest were

[29:06] submitted by Brian Evans, Warren West, and Betsy Perez.

[29:13] Um, so we had that uh Colin Reynolds uh gave

[29:19] a verbal introduction uh after asking the EPC and other

[29:24] candidates if they would be amendable to u him um speaking because he didn't

[29:31] submit a letter prior to the deadline of which they all said yes that was fine.

[29:35] So, uh he is on the recording. Um before making a final decision, the uh

[29:42] select board will and it's on our agenda. We'll enter into an executive

[29:46] session to discuss this matter prior to making a final decision.

[29:52] So, if anybody else has anything to add to that, we'll certainly listen to it

[29:57] now.

[30:00] Okay. Um well, a lot of time and effort seems

[30:05] like it's been put into uh vetting um the candidates and hopefully u we make

[30:12] the right decisions here. But thank you to all those who applied.

[30:18] Okay. Um hearing nothing else,

[30:24] uh the next item I have on our um agenda here is reviewing the action list, which

[30:33] is in your package. It's kind of short this week, which is good.

[30:38] » I think we're down to three items, four.

[30:42] Um I know Trevor is still working on trying

[30:46] to get prices on the ramp and the stairs. meeting with somebody tomorrow

[30:50] and we'll add in >> Yeah, we're gonna add in this ramp out

[30:52] here, which if you walked up this ramp, you'll see that it's uh a little spongy.

[30:57] Yes. So, we're going to add that in. >> Are we going to add a big enough door

[31:02] for the wheelchair access also? >> We did have a problem with that, didn't

[31:06] we? >> Yeah.

[31:08] » Where this door, the wheelchair doesn't fit through. Somebody was here. Who was?

[31:12] It was like a year or so ago. >> You guys through the the other door.

[31:17] Uh the main entrance I'm not sure but the ramp at least

[31:22] » right and this one with the ramp and the door is not wide enough for a

[31:26] wheelchair. >> That's what I'm thinking. And you got

[31:28] you got a lot of work here if you're going to do that.

[31:30] » No ripping and tearing. Right. >> Y saying that one's not

[31:35] » We'll look into it but >> we may put that as a separate project

[31:39] outside of the other but but the ramp itself is really getting

[31:44] » spongy. Uh, Nancy, the town appropriations,

[31:48] um, your draft, I think I sent you an email. I don't know if you got it. I was

[31:52] asking You didn't get it. Uh, I was asking if you could send it to

[31:57] me in Word format, what you gave us last month.

[32:00] » Oh, >> you didn't see that?

[32:02] » No, I did not. I'm sorry. >> All right. If you get a chance, if you

[32:05] could just send that to the three of us so we can really get a chance to review

[32:08] it >> and give comments.

[32:10] » So, what is that document? I just wanted clarification. It's attached to the

[32:16] » I believe >> the previous one. Yeah.

[32:19] » The last month last month's agenda. >> Yeah.

[32:22] » So it was there >> last to the minutes.

[32:26] » The minutes. Okay. My minutes that I issued.

[32:32] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[32:35] » Yeah. It's just easier for me to comment on word if it's a problem.

[32:40] But um you know just track changes. It's just easier for me. If it's a

[32:47] problem, let me know. But >> word.

[32:50] » Oh well, what did you do it on? >> I can put it in.

[32:53] » I got it. >> Google.

[32:56] » I I did notice that there was a >> You can Google.

[33:00] » I'm not a Google person. >> Okay. If we can get that again. Uh,

[33:06] unfortunately, I don't think any of us had a chance to review that this month,

[33:10] but >> No, I didn't. But I did notice in the

[33:13] director's orders for the month that we all signed off on and take a look at so

[33:17] forth that there was a thank you letter from one of the organizations who gets a

[33:23] request from us from the town and that was um the Moy Restorative Center. they

[33:28] had sent a thank you and you know they're in receipt of the $150 that we

[33:35] pledged through allocations. So I just wanted to mention that it's in there.

[33:39] » Well, we're going to be working on next year's budget before we turn around. So

[33:42] it'd be good to to get that resolved. So >> uh if you guys could work that out,

[33:47] we'll take a look at it. We'll definitely address it at next uh next

[33:50] month's meeting. And Nancy, if you want any help with any of that, I'm pretty

[33:55] familiar with a lot of these nonprofits, so I'd be happy to work with you. Just

[34:00] give me a holler. Okay. >> Well, yeah. Um, but you may have a whole

[34:05] plan already. You probably do. >> Well, it was kind of my recommendations

[34:09] of what I did. >> Okay. What you've done.

[34:13] » Yeah. We'll go through, >> but we'll look at that. Thank you.

[34:16] » Um, Michelle, any progress on the demo? No. Okay. I know you're swamped.

[34:21] » July's been really busy. >> Would would it help you if if I got

[34:24] together with you and tried to write it myself or?

[34:26] » Um I hopefully in the next week or two.

[34:31] » Okay. Let me know if you need help. I'm available.

[34:34] » And Charlie, I'm sure we don't have anything new on the shoreline

[34:37] restoration. >> We do.

[34:38] » Oh, we do. >> Okay.

[34:42] » We've been working with a gal Emily Porter Goff who's uh over Yep. at the uh

[34:49] the resource group in Morrisville. >> Yeah.

[34:54] » And the funding source that she had previously went away. However, it's come

[34:58] back again and it's called the u

[35:04] the right term here,

[35:08] the enhancement enhancement repairarian buffer grant.

[35:13] And it's it's a Roland grant. It comes out of the

[35:18] Vermont Department of Environmental Conservation.

[35:21] Um, and it's for it's to implement high

[35:26] priority cost-effective repairarian buffer plannings along river streams

[35:32] um using native vegetation blah blah. Um, the funding round is coming up again

[35:39] this fall for uh for spring planting in 2027

[35:44] » or worst case next fall. Um, and her question is, "Would you like me to apply

[35:50] on behalf of the town?" >> Absolutely. Sure. I needed your blessing

[35:53] to her. >> Absolutely.

[35:55] » And please give me her name for the minute. Emily Taylor.

[35:58] » Emily Porter-goff. >> Porter. Okay.

[36:02] » Porter Golf. >> Porter Golf. GFF.

[36:05] » GOFF. >> Okay. Thank you, Charlie.

[36:08] » I think she was here. >> Yeah, I know she came at one point.

[36:12] She's also the the gal that's been working on the grant for uh the West

[36:16] Loop Road, >> right? Oh, that's where that's where

[36:19] » that's where we've met her before. Yeah, >> she surfaces every now and then, but

[36:23] hasn't been >> She took Peter's position.

[36:26] » Oh, right. Okay. Now I Yeah, it's clicking. Okay. Thank you.

[36:30] » I'd be interested in in seeing the grant grant application. I think

[36:35] » it's about seven pages and it's checked the boxes and

[36:39] » I would be interested in seeing >> even better.

[36:43] » Yeah. >> Well, that's that's good news.

[36:46] » Good news. >> I'll forward you the link.

[36:49] » That's great. >> Great.

[36:51] » All right, moving along. Unless anybody have any comments or questions on that?

[36:55] No. That would be a wonderful thing if we get the shoreline research.

[37:00] Um, I just have on here discuss pay increases for town employees. Um, my

[37:06] bad. Uh, they're supposed to get their increases July 1st. Forgot all about it.

[37:11] So, we're just going to discuss it um in executive session, but it's pretty much

[37:17] going to follow what we approved in last year's budget. So,

[37:21] » who was a new town employee that last meeting?

[37:24] » The woman that was here. Yeah. >> Said uh

[37:29] on a select board meeting went into executive to discuss a new employee.

[37:33] » Oh, that was a personnel matter. >> Not this. It wasn't this shorting.

[37:38] » Didn't hire anybody. >> No,

[37:39] » no, no. We hired no one. >> We There was a discussion about an

[37:44] employee matter. That's all. >> Thank you.

[37:46] » Yep. >> Okay. So, that that we'll do that in

[37:50] executive session, but um like I said, it's pretty much going to follow what

[37:53] was approved. Um There's a I'm missing

[37:58] B. >> Too big or not too big? Um

[38:02] » I'm next. >> Yes. Harwood Flats um logging update. Um

[38:07] Sharon. >> Yep. I received a very um detailed email

[38:13] um from Richard Carbonetti who is the senior

[38:18] advisor for Landfest um forest resources division. And so here's what I'm going

[38:24] to do, which is what I did last month as well. I'm going to um take his email and

[38:29] I'm going to just give you some highlights from the email and then the

[38:33] entire email will be in the minutes attached to you know the record which

[38:38] will go on the website. Okay. So here is the view from 10,000 ft. All right.

[38:46] Upgrading of the unimproved segment of Elmoretown Highway 29. All of the road

[38:52] work intended for this summer on the Elmertown rightway has been completed

[38:57] and there are some bullets that fall under that. Roadway has been constructed

[39:02] using all the required Vermont state and wetland regulatory requirements. On-site

[39:09] blasting created riff wrap ledge material and gravel that has replaced

[39:13] the need to truck an additional plus or minus 100 loads of gravel on the town

[39:20] neighbors. So that is a savings um you know in terms of found and um effort.

[39:28] Blasting reduced the overall need for gravel since the blasting has eliminated

[39:33] the ledge impediments. Blasting enabled the installation of

[39:38] ditches and drainage structures that will provide the long-term stability of

[39:42] the town road. This blasting has environmental benefits

[39:47] in preparing a roadway that will be stable and in compliance with all AM and

[39:52] wetland rules. With the completion of the road past the

[39:57] wetlands, all blasting has been completed.

[40:01] We have continued to coordinate with Rick Dwire FPNR for several inspections.

[40:09] Further forestry operations have also been inspected by the Loyal County

[40:14] Forester Emily Sers. The Elmore Road foreman has also made

[40:20] several additional visits to the site to ensure town road improvements meet with

[40:25] his approval. That's Michelle. As noted previously, an internal road

[40:32] will be constructed on EL ELT LLC. The route plans for that road have been

[40:39] reviewed and approved by in the field by both Richard Dwire and Jocelyn Stelto

[40:46] of FPNR. New road is entirely on the land of ELT LLC. We are noting this for

[40:54] information purposes so as to be as transparent as possible.

[40:59] We continue to have members of the public visiting and commenting on the

[41:03] project. Timber harvesting update.

[41:08] Harvesting continues on the land of Wildwood Ventures LLC and has been

[41:13] initiated on the land of ELT LLC. As a reminder, Wildwood Ventures LLC has

[41:22] received approval from the Vermont Land Trust that the harvest complies with the

[41:28] terms and condition of the VLT easement. Harvesting will continue on Wildwood

[41:35] Ventures and ELT LLC. Harvesting will likely continue through

[41:42] the fall until the fall mud season prevents us from operating without

[41:47] damage. This is likely that then it is likely that we will return for winter

[41:53] operations. We anticipate maximum weekly logging

[41:58] truck traffic to be 5 to 10 trucks. There will be days without trucks at all

[42:05] and possibly days with more depending on logging conditions, availability of

[42:11] trucks and other considerations. That concludes Richard's report to me

[42:17] and I will include in the minutes the entire report. I just gave you, you

[42:23] know, the thumbnail sketch of it now. >> Okay. Well, thank you for that, Sharon,

[42:29] because we did uh make a commitment that we would keep the public notified as far

[42:33] as what's going on on up there. There's a lot of concern where operations began.

[42:38] So, that's good. So, we'll continue to update on a monthly basis.

[42:44] Uh, next item I have on the agenda is, uh, Trevor had rewritten the, uh, class

[42:49] 4 road policy, made some amended. Yeah, amended, modified. Uh, made a couple

[42:56] changes in there. Um, I don't know. Sure. If you want to give us the

[43:00] highlights. >> Uh,

[43:04] this was a while ago that I did it, so I just want to make sure. I think the

[43:09] um yeah, the big changes that we've just

[43:13] added uh to section 4 under maintenance

[43:18] um uh I'll just read it. Uh maintenance not performed by town. All maintenance,

[43:24] repair, improvement, restoration, plowing, or other activities by parties

[43:28] other than town shall occur only after written approval of the select board.

[43:34] Um, and we've added uh or highway commissioner

[43:41] and uh I think there just a couple other notes.

[43:47] This is in all in black so I can't see the

[43:52] difference here but it was basically just keeping that consistent

[43:57] um that authority that is shared by the select board or the highway

[44:02] commissioner. So the way I think it reads is that um the slice board does

[44:07] have the authority but the private commissioner is also granted that

[44:10] authority but the um

[44:16] written uh request still needs to be submitted

[44:20] to the select board. That doesn't go away, right?

[44:23] » So any new roads do have to be submitted and made public

[44:27] » regardless of how it's approved. >> Public have any comments or questions?

[44:34] Oh, sorry. >> I have a comment on

[44:38] paragraph number 11, which is compliance with other regulations.

[44:44] You should be mindful that the town zoning bylaws have very strict

[44:49] regulations about new development roads. Uh any any new road serving subdivisions

[44:55] and developments and that anybody wanting to improve a

[44:59] town highway may be subject to those zoning bylaws that have to do with road

[45:05] construction. Um, during the zoning rewrite or bylaw

[45:09] update, I'm going to be asking the planning commission to look at that

[45:13] subject and see if there's any way we can make it so that it's more equitable

[45:19] in terms of complying with some rules and and also examining the aspect of

[45:26] future development off of those roads. >> Right. The class

[45:30] » not seated to any standard. >> Right. Right. Really

[45:33] » the class four road. So these are class four roads really

[45:37] » take Lake View Lane for example. >> Correct.

[45:40] » Okay. >> Right.

[45:42] » All of a sudden there's incre incremental growth

[45:45] » and little handle on on the specifications to upgrade to accommodate

[45:51] new residences. >> So do you think the way this is written

[45:54] is sufficient at this point until we >> until we get new zoning regulations?

[45:58] » I would like the select board to to be mindful that there are zoning

[46:03] regulations. We're getting into the same subject.

[46:06] » So just for clarity, section 11 reads, "Compiance with other regulations. This

[46:11] policy intended only to supplement state law, local ordinances, and bylaws. All

[46:15] other ordinances and policies adopted by the town shall remain in full force in

[46:20] effect." So I think that covers pretty clear.

[46:22] » And then this is another change that I made just um section 11. Uh

[46:31] well, I just added a section that we're redating the the adoption of the um

[46:37] policy >> just changing the date to Okay.

[46:40] » Yeah. >> to now.

[46:41] » Well, it's just been revived. Oh, yeah. >> To now.

[46:45] » Yes. This policy supersedes um town of Elmer Class 4 highway trail policy dated

[46:51] May 11th, 2016. So, this is super, >> right?

[46:55] » That's why I changed that. >> Okay.

[46:56] » Okay. Then I'll make a motion to approve that and sign it tonight uh as written.

[47:02] » And I will second that motion. >> All in favor?

[47:05] » I >> I

[47:06] » Okay. So, we'll sign that. We don't have to sign it right now, but we'll sign it

[47:09] before the evening's over and we'll have to make sure that uh they get a copy of

[47:13] it and gets posted onto our website. >> Y skipped an item. Glad

[47:17] » I did. I skipped an item. >> You skipped the capital advisory floor.

[47:21] » Uh I did. >> You did, sir.

[47:23] » I didn't mean to do that. >> Questions?

[47:26] Just a quick question for my own info. Mr. Burnham mentioned about the

[47:33] incremental addition of housing units on Lake View Light. It's currently a class

[47:37] four, correct? >> Lake View L. What does it take

[47:42] in this town? Say there are enough houses out on Lake View Lane that people

[47:47] all get to get them and want to upgrade that from a class 4 to a class three.

[47:54] Are there is there a procedure in place for the town to do that? And who just

[48:00] out of curiosity who has final say on yes, we're going to do it or not.

[48:04] » Okay. >> But Charlie, you worked on a an

[48:06] agreement on that road, right? >> I just used that as an example, right?

[48:12] » I I believe the way the regulations this bylaw here is that if somebody wants to

[48:17] upgrade it to a class three, you bring it up to town highway standards,

[48:22] » right? And it's on >> responsible for the developer to yeah

[48:26] for the people that want to use it or add additional properties to

[48:31] » and would they need they would need to get or I think they would want to get

[48:34] approval from the select board first before they invested all that money.

[48:39] » Yes, they do also an act 250 controlled

[48:44] roadway. >> Right.

[48:45] » So that's one of the few in town that is covered by a 250.

[48:50] » Yeah. Sterling View, Worester Ridge, they'll ask me about every other year

[48:55] if we take them take it over and I'm like, "Well, go see Nick Minaj and have

[48:59] them give you a bid or a quote for what it would cost you to bring it to class

[49:03] of respects and that usually calms them down for another couple years."

[49:06] » So, pretty much the same then as as any like private role that want to become a

[49:11] a public. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[49:14] » All right. >> I think Nancy, you had a question. I

[49:16] just when you post this to the website, will the old one get archived so that

[49:22] there's only the current one on there? >> That's a good question. Um, and I will

[49:29] What would you recommend? The old one is going to be archived, but I don't know

[49:33] that it'll be archived on the website. Um,

[49:36] » recommend only the current just >> available

[49:40] » the updated. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, we can label it clearly,

[49:46] but that still doesn't resolve all the issues.

[49:49] » Archive stuff on the website. >> I was just curious. Plus free roads are

[49:56] » are better than the Elmore Mountain Road.

[49:58] » No, no, no. >> I'm back to the other track. They are or

[50:02] not? I mean, do they auto if they go to class three roads? Are they

[50:05] automatically given over by the town? >> No.

[50:07] » No, no. It still needs to be approved by the sled board. Thank you.

[50:11] » Yeah, there's no automatic approval. >> Yeah. And I don't think that's

[50:14] happening. >> That's the first step,

[50:17] » right? >> Well, it's a class three, but when if

[50:21] you meet the new standards, studies new standards,

[50:25] Elmore Mountain Road is like grandfather just because it's always been existing.

[50:29] But when you build new, you've got to have X amount of heat, sub certain

[50:34] subbase. you. It's a total >> You're building an interstate basically.

[50:40] You're starting from scratch building a road. It's not just dumping gravel over

[50:44] some fabric. >> We're tweener.

[50:47] » Yes. >> Stay that way. My driveway.

[50:51] » What's that? >> My driveway.

[50:58] » Right. >> Back to the previous

[51:01] » Okay. I'm sorry. I missed the other one here. Um, we've been talking about the

[51:05] formulation of uh the Elmer Capital Advisory Board. Uh, we seem to have u

[51:13] pretty good amount of interest so far. Uh, we've received interest from Lauren

[51:17] West, uh, Randy Tomlin who's here, Sharon Draper, Steven Nutting, and Brian

[51:25] Brian Evans >> Nice. Um,

[51:29] what we'd like to do is, uh, if Ry's willing to become the chair again.

[51:37] » Bless your heart. >> Bless your in Texas. That means

[51:40] something else. >> I know, but I'm not a Texas.

[51:44] » So, yeah, Randy, you did a great job on the equipment board. And, uh, if you

[51:48] want to take the chair of this uh, >> capital advisory board. Um,

[51:54] » does it have a time, date, and >> we talked about trying to get this thing

[52:00] set up in September? >> Okay.

[52:01] » Uh, just because summer is just crazy and and sitting here.

[52:05] » When does it need an output? >> Well, there's really no time frame. The

[52:10] money is is available. I mean, right now, you know, it's invested at bank.

[52:16] » We did something in the next three months that would be useful.

[52:19] » That would be fine. Yeah. anything we come up with and there's no not a huge

[52:23] rush but we need to have a plan if >> No, I don't know

[52:26] » if there's a better plan than what we're currently doing with the cash we have.

[52:30] » Oh, there's a better plan. >> That's right. And knowing all the work

[52:35] that the equipment um committee did with our 15-year uh

[52:42] projections, you know, we know at some points we're going to have a lot of

[52:45] cash. >> Okay.

[52:46] » And we need to know what to do with it. >> Yeah. I'm I'm happy to I'm happy to be

[52:50] engaged. >> Okay. So, what we'll do is we'll get

[52:53] together. We'll try to come up with some dates and formulate

[52:58] uh this group. >> Are you going to recommend a date?

[53:00] » Uh I'm happy to do it. >> If you want to do it, that's fine.

[53:03] » No, no. I I think it'd be good to come from the board like the last time. Just

[53:06] say, you know, pick a date and show up and then let's, you know, pow out.

[53:11] » Yeah. Of course, if after if after going through what we did to get a date,

[53:16] » we don't need a dog. We got six people here. I don't maybe next year.

[53:20] » Just clear a date. >> I have a question about membership. So

[53:24] just for the minutes. So Warren Randy, >> I'll give you this. I have some Warren

[53:30] Randy Sharon Draper. >> She's the keeper of the funds. So she

[53:35] needs to be involved. Steve Nutting >> and Brian Evans. Um I'll probably also

[53:40] be on there. I thought Nancy wanted to be on it.

[53:42] » Did you want to be on there, Nancy? if I wanted to exist. So if you needed

[53:48] people to round it out. >> Okay. Uh yeah, I just didn't have you

[53:52] listed. >> Yeah. Uh let's put Nancy on.

[53:57] » Name Nancy. That's >> And unless one of you two want to

[54:00] volunteer. I I'll take the bullet. >> That's fine.

[54:03] » We're going to meet at where we meet. We'll probably meet here.

[54:06] » Okay. >> Six o'clock's good time.

[54:08] » Six o'clock. >> Got a good time. I don't know. I kind of

[54:10] like the truck thing. Nobody has birthdays on

[54:14] » my dog's birthdays. >> I'll be out of town for 14 years.

[54:19] » All right. So, we'll we'll work on that. We'll contact everybody.

[54:24] » It is. I'm sorry, but >> just declare a date.

[54:27] » Yeah, we'll we'll work on the date. We'll let everybody know. Then we'll

[54:30] hear everybody can't make it. We'll pick another date.

[54:33] » All right. Um if you can't make it, you're wrong.

[54:35] » I think we beat that. Um the next item I have, which is E,

[54:41] uh is the 2026 stormwater inspection report. Just a an quick update on that.

[54:47] Uh we had I forget where we we were as of last month, but we had um

[54:54] our first designer come out and we weren't really very happy with what he

[54:59] was coming up with. So we've contacted a second engineer,

[55:04] uh Dwolf, uh came out. We met with them and they're going to give us a proposal

[55:09] to evaluate the site whether it's wetlands or not. We're hoping it's not

[55:14] and then we'll uh come up with a course of action. Uh if you're not familiar

[55:19] with the subject, uh it's it's at the town garage. Um we need to have more

[55:26] space for storage of stone and sand. Uh we created a yard up there and it may or

[55:33] may not be in wetlands. The interesting thing that we did find out from cross is

[55:38] they never did a study >> bait.

[55:42] » Don't get a study with cross. >> Yeah. So this this is what I had to find

[55:46] out to get to the new engineer. And I found out that preconstruction there was

[55:51] never a study for wetlands. And the guy that came out to assess the land

[55:56] recently did not make up a report and he may or may not be the right guy for

[56:03] identifying wetlands. So we've gone to another engineer.

[56:07] Um, like I said, Dwarf, uh, is going to give us a proposal, uh, which we should

[56:12] have in the next couple days, and, uh, we'll hopefully get them working on

[56:16] that. So, but the idea is to keep that storage area, um, permanently, and, um,

[56:25] unless you have anything to add on that, Michelle.

[56:27] » No, I you know, I've, you know, you've heard my disappointments about it, so

[56:32] » Yes, >> I know. And

[56:34] » place wet. >> No, no,

[56:36] » no. Well, and it was >> well when it rains,

[56:39] » right? And you know, three years ago when they said this is where your garage

[56:43] is, this is going to be your storage area. So everything was built to that

[56:47] storage area. I make it into a storage area. It's been in compliance the last

[56:52] three years and this year all of a sudden it's a wetland.

[56:57] » So we just got to be done with cross. >> We're we're trying. We're I the last

[57:01] thing I did with them is is ask them for these reports to which they said

[57:05] » they don't have it >> right.

[57:07] » They never did it. >> Double jeopardy.

[57:09] » So um so we're working on that. >> Um

[57:14] if we have to do anything out there, it's not going to happen till spring

[57:17] anyhow. >> Um based on where we are now, the

[57:21] permits that would be required. So it would be probably next year's budget

[57:25] before we had to do anything up there. be a big number of up to some.

[57:29] » It may or may not. Um, if we just have to dig a pond, I I think we can get away

[57:34] pretty cheap, >> right?

[57:36] » Another ring already. >> Yep.

[57:39] » Um, don't go. >> Okay. So, does anybody have any

[57:42] questions on that whole mess? >> And we can get a grant for that rain

[57:46] garden. >> Maybe

[57:47] » it's still got water in it. I saw it yesterday over here. Oh, yeah. There's

[57:51] water. >> Okay. Um, that gets us up to, uh, the

[57:55] road commissioner's report. >> Yep.

[57:58] » All right. So, um, >> easier if you don't have

[58:00] » Yeah, I was going to say there are some extra copies. Um,

[58:03] » so we did the rental of a roadside mower uh, back starting on July 20th. It was

[58:09] we had it for two weeks. Um, two passes were made around town and a limited

[58:14] amount of brush was trimmed back. If it hit the windshield on the tractor, it

[58:18] got trimmed back. Um went around with a loader and the

[58:23] sweeper, cleaned up the beach road. I mean, we're way behind on that. Uh town

[58:28] aprons on the black top uh town offices. We also completed a nice culbert project

[58:35] on the Elmore Mountain Road. Um one culbert is crossing the intersection of

[58:40] Sterling View and Elmore NLES and the other one was placed under Sterling View

[58:45] itself. Um these culberts are 24 in in diameter and certainly we got a nice new

[58:50] road sign and a stop sign. So um little more rules over there. Um before the

[58:59] inter the cart used to cross through the intersection on an angle

[59:03] » and we were losing the side of the road. So now having it going through Sterling

[59:08] View, we've got some nice headers, concrete headers. So we were able to add

[59:11] almost 4 ft to the road. So they widened it out in a narrow section there. Um

[59:18] mountain road was graded and chlorideed. Um we're presently working on Simmons

[59:22] Mill Road. We're putting down some new gravel on the entire length

[59:26] equipment. The grater was out of service July 16th through the 23rd. We had a

[59:32] nice little noise in the front right wheel. Um we had Elijah Cley come up and

[59:39] help us. Um, he tore apart the planetary. We shims were added to

[59:44] realign the gears and the bearings so they wouldn't rub on the outside casing.

[59:48] So, there's they're starting to have some wear, but it's just normal wear.

[59:51] Um, oil is drained out, planted air was flushed out, and new oil was added. On

[59:57] the other stuff, FEMA, um, I put in well over 30 hours this past month um, in the

[1:00:03] office working on Puma. Finally got everything approved over there on Earl

[1:00:08] Grey Road. our engineers design, our new change in scope, which is interesting

[1:00:13] because they're the one that changed the scope of work because they didn't accept

[1:00:17] our port order. So, we got to write all new work orders and and scopes for this

[1:00:24] new culvert. Our permits are in place. Um, Army Corps of Engineers state

[1:00:29] permit. I think I've met all their criteria. I haven't heard from them for

[1:00:33] a week or two now. So, I believe we're going to move forward on this project

[1:00:37] next year. Um, we'll be changing a large culbert on

[1:00:41] Simmons Mill in the next two weeks. I have not set a date because the culbert

[1:00:45] has not showed up yet in my yard. Um, grant and aid work. Um, that's a one of

[1:00:51] the grants from the state of Vermont. We'll be working on Hardwood Flats Road

[1:00:55] on the Kirect Hill Per portion of the road. We'll be doing ditching, stone

[1:01:00] lining, cover work, and that will be done in the month of September.

[1:01:06] I guess you know the the covert that we got to go back and replace. Are they

[1:01:09] going to pay for that or how did >> Yeah. So um Yeah. So FEMA is going to

[1:01:14] pay 75% of it. We're going to end up paying 25% of it. Um so we're looking at

[1:01:21] almost $230,000 project. >> Wow.

[1:01:24] » So um it's a long ways from the $12,000 fix that we put in during the flooding.

[1:01:32] Um, but I mean engineer cost, I mean they don't accept my my design. It's got

[1:01:38] to be approved engineers and stuff. So, um, that all adds up and it's got to go

[1:01:42] through a bid process since it's federal money.

[1:01:45] » It's a different process than what we would normally just pick three names

[1:01:49] that are. >> So, you I don't think you mentioned

[1:01:51] anything at the end the south end of the the construction that the state is doing

[1:01:57] down there. >> Route 12.

[1:02:00] » Yeah, Route 12. >> Okay. Okay. South end of the lake. Yes.

[1:02:02] » Okay. So, the guys, as most people saw, they pave, if you've been through there,

[1:02:07] they paved. There's still an overlay of pavement that get needs to get done,

[1:02:10] » right? >> Um I think that's next week. Guard rails

[1:02:13] are going in next week. That's the schedule.

[1:02:15] » And then as soon as the guardrails are done, we'll be able to use the new road

[1:02:19] and they'll be tearing out the the temporary bridge.

[1:02:23] » Great. >> So, by the they're hoping to be out of

[1:02:26] there by the end of September also, >> 1 of October. Nice.

[1:02:29] » Yeah, it's looking great. I bike by there every day.

[1:02:32] » Yeah. >> Yeah. The the new black top's kind of

[1:02:35] nice. >> Yeah.

[1:02:37] » Yeah. >> But they have But it's still an overlay

[1:02:40] to put on a black top. >> Right.

[1:02:41] » All right. Well, thank you, Michelle, Charlie.

[1:02:48] » 12 days in the office in the month of July. Um,

[1:02:53] doing my normal work. I'm sorry I didn't bring X copies of my report. Please.

[1:03:01] A lot of stuff people that want to build

[1:03:10] have a look at new project and

[1:03:15] » checking them and clients with the ones that are under work underway.

[1:03:19] » Yeah. Okay. I have that. I think >> attendance select more DRB.

[1:03:26] Um I am continuing on my project uh studying the septic systems

[1:03:33] permits which exist for all the properties around Lake Elmore. Uh trying

[1:03:38] to identify any deficiencies

[1:03:43] and also providing a reference base for people that uh don't know where their

[1:03:47] septic systems are. Um >> are you getting cooperation from people?

[1:03:53] » Yeah. an amazing number of people that have

[1:03:57] state permits for their septic systems that have been improved over the years,

[1:04:02] » but they don't know where they are really fully.

[1:04:04] » Some of them because they get new owners.

[1:04:06] » Oh, right. Property.

[1:04:09] » Right. Right. Right. >> We only issued four zoning permits in

[1:04:14] July. >> One for a shed, a reconstruct a garage,

[1:04:19] a studio shed, and a deck replacement. Um, but there wasn't a lot of zoning

[1:04:24] fees the month of July. Um,

[1:04:31] and we had a

[1:04:36] one alleged violation which has all been cleared up and that's over off of Beach

[1:04:40] Road which was a property line issue. Uh, that's been successfully resolved

[1:04:46] and that's basically it.

[1:04:52] just as I don't know if you're aware of it but uh I test the water every two

[1:04:56] weeks give it to the state and they do a a caffeine test which picks up septic

[1:05:03] issues here in the lake and uh we should have the results of this year so I mean

[1:05:07] if it's something you'd be interested so >> yeah I did it pinpoint any

[1:05:13] » very very low >> very very low

[1:05:17] » but the caffeine um the theory behind behind it is animals don't drink

[1:05:21] caffeine. So if that gets into the water, it

[1:05:24] doesn't show up. But um fortunately people do drink caffeine.

[1:05:29] » Even decaf is picked that up. >> Decaf does not. No. So if you drink

[1:05:33] decaf in your systemic system doesn't work. It doesn't show up. No. But uh

[1:05:38] this is what the state has found. Said I do every two weeks. I take a

[1:05:43] water sample and drop it off all summer long.

[1:05:46] » Take it in different locations. >> Same location. and they give me the

[1:05:48] point to take it. And uh I test for a couple other things too, but caffeine is

[1:05:53] one that's been added in the past couple years.

[1:05:57] » Yeah. >> So anyhow, okay, so that takes care of

[1:06:00] that. Uh I think that brings us to the end

[1:06:04] here. Uh we are going to go into executive session, but unless anybody

[1:06:09] has any other thing to add, Nancy, >> um when and how are we

[1:06:19] Well, we will um we'll exit out of executive session and announce that on

[1:06:26] the tape, but we will also send out an email.

[1:06:30] » It would be it'll be in the minutes. It'll be in the minutes as well and all

[1:06:33] the >> Yeah, but uh it'll be on the recording.

[1:06:35] It'll be in the minutes and we should send uh I guess an email to everyone

[1:06:41] except for shorty who doesn't have email um on the planning commission

[1:06:47] » to the current member. >> I think we all chip in and buy shorty a

[1:06:50] computer. >> He doesn't want it. Planning commission

[1:06:54] got like a $9,000 some odd >> right.

[1:06:59] It for doing the uh the new zoning. So, but how

[1:07:05] » it's that for >> Leo County Planning Commission will take

[1:07:10] that money >> and use it

[1:07:12] » and distribute, >> right? And no. Well, it goes to them

[1:07:17] wages. >> So, we have it um they the town will

[1:07:21] give that we'll probably write them a check uh in that amount to Leo County

[1:07:27] Planning Commission for the zoning. And then that's our portion that we received

[1:07:31] in the grant. I had to go down there and sign for it. It's got to be two months

[1:07:34] ago at least. >> Yeah.

[1:07:36] » So, yeah. So, that's what that's for. It's not for the planning commission.

[1:07:41] » No, I knew >> and and unfortunately it's not for the

[1:07:44] town. So, the money's coming in, but it's going right

[1:07:46] » asked me. I would have not had it in >> Yeah, it it's it comes in and it goes

[1:07:50] right back out to them. But it the grant was for the town

[1:07:54] » before they get the money. They get the money.

[1:07:56] » They get the cash. >> Okay. had a question not related

[1:08:01] who had talked

[1:08:05] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:08:07] » There was going to be I had three things to bring up and that was going to be one

[1:08:09] of them when we're ready. >> Ready?

[1:08:12] » Uh like a open forum type thing, not a formal meeting and greet. Uh I've been

[1:08:22] thinking about it and looking at dates and I'm almost wondering if an October

[1:08:26] session would make sense. there's going to be group of people or I know it's not

[1:08:30] going to be super busy, right? >> And the store in ECT is tentatively

[1:08:34] planning a a public event. Um so that could be a good opportunity. It's not

[1:08:39] going to be as busy as the middle of the summer.

[1:08:41] » Right. Open farm about >> Sorry. Um Nancy and I are just

[1:08:45] communicating nonverbally about it. We had talked a number of meetings ago

[1:08:48] about having um an opportunity for people in the community to just give

[1:08:53] feedback um or ask questions of the select board without it being a formal

[1:08:59] meeting where we're discussing town matters or business. Um, so just an

[1:09:04] opportunity that isn't in this setting where people might feel uncomfortable

[1:09:08] sitting in in this room in this meeting to engage with us and ask questions, but

[1:09:13] it's not going to be there's not going to be any business discussed or anything

[1:09:16] like that. >> This is sort of like like town

[1:09:19] orientation. >> It's just like what Wilcut does, their

[1:09:22] town barbecue. >> I'm not familiar with that, but that's

[1:09:24] all right. Would you want somebody from like the DRB?

[1:09:28] » Anybody can come. Um, >> no. I mean, I mean to be able to answer

[1:09:31] questions about that aspect. >> I don't think that would be bad.

[1:09:36] » Well, if there's more than one board member there, we would need to warn it.

[1:09:43] » It's a >> I mean, we can check with VCT, but it

[1:09:46] » can't talk to each other. >> We don't talk to each other anyhow.

[1:09:51] » The idea is the idea is not for us to like sit at a table and answer questions

[1:09:56] from meeting with everybody else. Well, why don't we'll just check

[1:09:59] » sausages. Yeah. >> I just don't want to do anything wrong.

[1:10:01] » Mhm. And and it's fine. >> Yeah. So, I I'll keep working on the

[1:10:06] date for that and follow up with what the plans are.

[1:10:09] » Okay. Great. Um, and then the other one of the other things was just been

[1:10:14] working with Michelle on looking at some options for uh heating systems at the

[1:10:19] town garage uh as an alternative to the electric um boilers that we have that um

[1:10:28] yeah uh the electric boilers and also reduce the uh electrical demand for the

[1:10:34] town garage in the winter. uh which would reduce the size of the needed

[1:10:39] generator for the emergency shelter. That's the big issue right now is that

[1:10:43] the heavy load of the electric boilers really makes the generator a very big

[1:10:50] purchase way bigger than it really is for lights um in the the rest of the

[1:10:56] building. >> So working with a couple um firms on

[1:11:01] getting some estimates. We have one. We're going to meet another one on

[1:11:04] Monday. Uh and also getting estimates for generators for the new potential um

[1:11:11] boilers that could be supplementary um to take advantage of the electric

[1:11:16] heaters when it makes sense to um but could also support the building um if

[1:11:22] the power was out, right? >> Could be supported by the generator.

[1:11:25] » Can I ask a curious question? Um, why aren't they oil or

[1:11:30] » Well, that's a long story. >> Okay, then don't go there. Go ahead.

[1:11:34] » But to make a long story short, when we tried to go green on building with solar

[1:11:38] panels and in discussions >> way before design during design, uh

[1:11:44] there was a lot of discussion about going solar, keeping the building green

[1:11:47] and that avoided the oil situation. Was it the right decision looking back on it

[1:11:52] now? Probably not. But >> um but it they do work

[1:11:57] » right >> and you know it's you know all summer

[1:12:00] long I mean we're not burning any electric over there but in the winter

[1:12:03] we're uh >> you credited like six grand so far this

[1:12:07] summer burn in one month >> right so we we just don't have

[1:12:11] » so if we can get some supplemental heat in there through propane or whatever we

[1:12:16] decide to do >> we can cut back on the electrical usage

[1:12:19] and still kind of stay green But that's making it short. There were a lot of

[1:12:25] meetings held >> already,

[1:12:26] » right? >> Yeah, there were a lot of meetings.

[1:12:28] » We're penalized $600 a month year round because we use x amount of kilowatts.

[1:12:34] » Mhm. >> So, you know, if we could just turn on

[1:12:37] some other source to keep us at whatever level that we don't cross that

[1:12:41] threshold. I mean, if we don't have to pay a $600 a month penalty, I mean,

[1:12:47] that'll help build up credits that much faster. That all help. I mean, it's a

[1:12:51] it's a good size nut. It'll help pay. >> We had hoped to be net zero

[1:12:56] » or close to it >> when we designed the building.

[1:12:58] » Yeah, but I bet the didn't turn out that way.

[1:13:00] » That's >> the generator's going to be

[1:13:03] designed and then we went metal and it's single phase too calculated.

[1:13:07] » Okay. >> Yeah. I didn't want to open.

[1:13:09] » It's a long story. >> Okay.

[1:13:11] » It's a long sad story. >> If they cross no more.

[1:13:15] » Yes. >> But we're working on it. I think we'll

[1:13:18] get we have some time so we're not in a rush to get something. We can take our

[1:13:22] time and figure out the best option. >> Uh the third item is a um

[1:13:30] benefactor in Stow has a 60 kilowatt generator

[1:13:34] um that they have uh donated to the Elmore community trust for the Elmore

[1:13:39] store um which will actually cover the full building. Um the current generator

[1:13:45] there is 30 kows and it covers most of it but not all of it. Um so the 30

[1:13:51] kowatt generator donated by concept 2 is available and up for grabs. Um that

[1:13:57] probably wouldn't be a very good fit for the town hall. It's not going to cover

[1:14:00] those boilers >> garage.

[1:14:02] » So the sorry the garage not the town hall. So the let me just finish uh

[1:14:07] thought is that we can put the 30 kowatt generator at the fire department which

[1:14:13] is the primary emergency shelter and emergency operations center.

[1:14:17] » That'd be good. >> The power goes out. It'll have an ATS.

[1:14:19] It'll switch on. The building will run. We can open and close the doors. Our

[1:14:23] compressors will run. >> Um and the benefactor has agreed to

[1:14:29] cover the installation costs of both the store and the fire department.

[1:14:32] » Great. And the the other thing is you'll have enough power for the town hall.

[1:14:36] » Yeah. So the 60 kilowatt generator that's going into the um Elmore store

[1:14:43] will also we have a spare automatic transfer switch and it has more than

[1:14:48] enough capacity if we wanted to. We could add another leg over to the town

[1:14:54] hall. So if the power goes out the town hall would have power.

[1:14:57] » What about the office here? Is it enough? That's

[1:15:03] the power line underneath the road. >> Okay.

[1:15:05] » We can look at other options for the town office if we needed to. It's just

[1:15:09] getting the emergency operation centers, the emergency shelters cover.

[1:15:13] » Yeah. But as a benefit, the town hall would

[1:15:15] » Yeah. So I I think maybe we can sort of vote on it at the next meeting, but it

[1:15:20] seems to make sense to take advantage of this benefactor's generation and uh do

[1:15:25] what we can >> right to make that happen. I also have a

[1:15:29] generator that might be useful that we're not using looked it's looked up

[1:15:34] but as >> what's their rating?

[1:15:36] » I you'd have to come look at it. >> Okay. There may be the uh repeater for

[1:15:41] the fire department uh sheriff's office fire department and Hardwick Rescue.

[1:15:47] There's no generator on that tower on Town Hill.

[1:15:50] » Well, it's you know somebody's got to come by and look at it.

[1:15:53] » Yeah, I think >> it's a seam. It's a seam generator if

[1:15:55] we're on mistake. >> Yeah, it won't take much up there. That

[1:15:57] could be a really good fit. >> Oh, that's great.

[1:15:59] » Yeah, that's great. >> It powered our easily powered our our

[1:16:02] whole house. >> Yeah, that'll be great.

[1:16:04] » When we put solar in it, we bypass it for some reason.

[1:16:08] » Fantastic. >> Cool. That's great.

[1:16:10] » Well, a lot of good things came out of this meeting.

[1:16:12] » Well, thank you, Trevor. >> We're going to get our windows cleaned

[1:16:16] » and we're going to have power. >> All right. Well, with that, I'm going to

[1:16:21] make a motion that we enter into executive session. Second.

[1:16:24] » Second that. >> Okay. All in favor? I

[1:16:27] » So, we're entering into executive session at 7:14.

[1:16:34] » And Randy, I I'll be in touch. >> Okay. All right. Just let me know. I'm

[1:16:38] I'm a bum. So, I Yeah. >> I see that. I got to get you on the golf

[1:16:42] course. >> I should have responded when you pull a

[1:16:45] call out for the capital advisory. >> I don't read it because I don't know

[1:16:49] certain personnel, but there's something I can contribute. I work for the finals

[1:16:54] affiliate. Okay. bond trading. >> What are you looking for, Trevor? I work

[1:16:58] with

[1:31:20] Yeah. >> Okay. Uh we're now exiting um executive

[1:31:26] session. Um still two people on the line. Michael

[1:31:31] Miller and Brian. Can you hear us? Are you muted,

[1:31:39] » Brian? You are muted. >> They may have walked away from their

[1:31:42] computer. Okay. Tired of us. >> All right. Well, in either case, it's

[1:31:46] being recorded. So, uh we we talked about three items. Uh one were the

[1:31:51] members of the uh planning commission.

[1:31:57] So, I would move that we approve the appointment of two members to the

[1:32:05] planning commission whose names are Brian Evans Menon and

[1:32:11] » Betsy Perez. >> Okay. Um, I'll second that. All in

[1:32:17] favor? >> I

[1:32:19] » I Okay. So, unanimous. So, >> uh I will let the uh planning commission

[1:32:24] know. Uh the second item, >> a second

[1:32:28] waiting for Sharon >> Schwarz.

[1:32:33] Second. >> I will notify planning commission

[1:32:35] » and then unanimous. All right. >> Right.

[1:32:37] » Okay. Great. >> Uh the second item is increasing the

[1:32:42] town employee salaries uh in accordance with um our last town

[1:32:49] meeting. So, we will be increasing

[1:32:55] uh the wages of crew number one, which is Michelle,

[1:33:01] to from 75,000 to 78,000, which is a 4% increase.

[1:33:06] » So, do you want the dollar amounts to go in the minute?

[1:33:09] » It's right. It's right here. I mean, >> okay. Well, that's fine.

[1:33:11] » Yeah. >> All right.

[1:33:12] » Um, we have crew 2 wages, which are ready. Uh he's going from 62,000 to

[1:33:19] 65,000. I guess we don't have to put the percentages in.

[1:33:23] » Yeah. >> And uh we have the town clerk um is

[1:33:28] going from 28,000 to 30,000. >> So can we have a motion to approve

[1:33:34] those? >> So moved.

[1:33:36] » Okay. I'll second. >> Okay, that's fine. Now, do you want the

[1:33:40] dollar amounts to go in the minutes? >> Let's put the dollar amounts. So that's

[1:33:44] what their pay is increased in accordance with what was approved at

[1:33:48] town meeting. >> Correct.

[1:33:49] » Okay. >> And it'll be retroactive to July 1st

[1:33:54] because um we >> unintentionally you forgot to do this

[1:33:59] earlier. So >> it'll be retroactive to July 1st.

[1:34:04] » Okay. >> Okay. That takes care of that.

[1:34:06] » All right. Uh the last item we discussed uh was the retirement package for the

[1:34:13] town three town employees. Uh they're currently in group A, which

[1:34:19] is the lowest uh group of retirement benefits. Uh they've

[1:34:25] requested uh that they be moved up to group B. Uh we've done an evaluation

[1:34:32] of the cost to the town for that. and the road crew would be approximately

[1:34:40] $1,747 of our contribution

[1:34:45] and the town clerk would be have a cost of $450.

[1:34:51] Um, this is unbudgeted, but it will be taken out of other items and we will

[1:34:57] make sure that this increase is shown um at next year's town meeting.

[1:35:06] So, we have a motion. >> Yeah. I'll move that we increase the

[1:35:10] retirement compensation for the employees to the group B percentage.

[1:35:16] Uh, which is I don't have the

[1:35:19] » Yeah. No, they're going to be moved to group B.

[1:35:22] » Group B. Okay. >> Um, I'll second that.

[1:35:25] » And Okay, then. So, we have Ron Schwarz. >> And all in favor? I

[1:35:34] » I >> Okay, it's unanimous.

[1:35:37] » Unanimous. >> Uh that concludes our report from what

[1:35:40] we did in executive session. The minutes will be uh reflective of what we

[1:35:46] discussed and I make a motion to adjourn at 7:34.

[1:35:52] » And I second that. 7:34. >> Yep. All in favor?

[1:35:56] » I >> I Okay. Well, thank you everybody who

[1:35:58] joined and we're going to conclude at this time.

[1:36:03] 134. Okay, great.

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