[0:36] We are broadcasting live. Good morning everyone. Uh this is the meeting of the

[0:42] town of Mono Council held on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026. Uh this meeting is

[0:48] being conducted both in chambers and by means of electronic participation as

[0:52] permitted by section 238 subsection 3.1 of the municipal act of 2001 as amended

[1:00] and the town of Mono procedural bylaw 2020-42.

[1:04] Uh residents can uh join us as the meeting progresses or view uh offline uh

[1:11] later on uh on uh YouTube. We do have a quorum here today. Uh a reminder that

[1:17] emergency exits are in the rear of the council chamber. Uh members are free to

[1:22] declare pecuniary interest at this point or any point in the course of the

[1:26] meeting. And I believe we have one declaration

[1:30] uh which has been filed with the clerk and I'll call on councelor Davyy to do

[1:34] the indigenous land acknowledgement. >> Thank you, Mayor Kman. We would like to

[1:38] begin by respectfully acknowledging that the town of Mono resides within the

[1:42] traditional territories and ancestral lands of the Tonatante, the Adowandran,

[1:47] the Hudnosoni, and the Anesnabi peoples. We also acknowledge that the town of

[1:51] Mono resides within the treaty lands named under treaty 18, the Nadawasaga

[1:55] purchase of 1818. These traditional territories upon which we live and learn

[2:00] are steeped in rich indigenous history and traditions. It is with this

[2:04] statement that we declare to honor and respect the past and present connection

[2:08] of indigenous peoples with this land, its waterways and resources.

[2:14] » Thank you. I have a motion that council approves the agenda of session 13-2026

[2:19] as circulated. Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by deputy mayor Nicks. Any

[2:24] objections to this motion passing? Uh it therefore passes.

[2:30] I have a motion that council approves the minutes of session 12 2026 as

[2:34] circulated. Moved by councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor Magalo. Uh any

[2:40] issues? Seeing none, motion passes.

[2:47] Um, we have a uh a motion that the minutes

[2:51] of council session 9, 2026 held on May 12th, 2026

[2:57] uh as approved by resolution uh 2-10-2026

[3:02] be amended by replacing the word anti-racism with anti-semitism in

[3:08] section 3 subsection pardon me in section 3 subsection 3. Um and there is

[3:15] a recollection of the uh of that issue. Uh moved by uh deputy mayor, seconded by

[3:20] councelor Davey. Any further discussion? That motion carries.

[3:27] We have no proclamations today. That brings us to public question period of

[3:32] Fred or Jessica. Any any submissions online?

[3:36] » There were no submissions uh submitted in advance of the meeting. Your worship.

[3:40] » Thank you. Uh, we don't have anyone in the gallery today. Is there anyone

[3:44] online who has a question for us?

[3:54] Doesn't appear to be.

[3:58] I'm wondering if we are in a position to proceed with our uh delegation from

[4:04] Headarters Healthc Care uh center. I know it's a little early for that, but

[4:09] uh is is it the wish of council to uh to proceed?

[4:14] » Uh good good morning uh Kim and Francis. Um just a a gentle reminder that we have

[4:20] all read your presentation uh and it is available to uh our

[4:25] residents online to read. So if you can uh paraphrase the uh the high notes that

[4:30] for our benefit that would be terrific. It will allow for more interaction with

[4:34] council. The floor is yours.

[4:39] » Good morning, Mayor Creelman and council. Thank you very much for having

[4:42] us this morning and I would be more than happy to uh paraphrase and touch on just

[4:47] the key takeaways. So, I won't bother sharing uh my slides even because you've

[4:52] all seen them. But, uh I did want to highlight just on some of the successes

[4:56] from the past fiscal year and then I'll focus just for a couple minutes on key

[5:00] takeaways on what we're focusing on this fiscal year. There was a slide included

[5:05] a by the numbers year-over-year slide just to share some of the trending

[5:10] year-over-year with the volumes we're seeing at headarters. I think just to

[5:14] highlight is that you know our ED volumes have remained pretty consistent

[5:19] year-over-year. Uh but where we are seeing some real growth and which

[5:24] continues is in our obstetrical department. So the number of babies that

[5:28] continue to be delivered at headarters is increasing year-over-year. That trend

[5:32] is continuing to increase. We have had many months now with over a hundred

[5:36] babies delivered per month. So that's very exciting for us. Uh our chemo

[5:41] program, we are expanding our oncology program. We're also going to be seeing

[5:46] increases in our diagnostic imaging numbers now that our MRI hours and

[5:51] numbers are ramping up rapidly. Our lab test saw a big increase. Uh in addition,

[5:57] we're focusing on increasing our outpatient visits. So I think um one of

[6:01] the takeaways is last year and continuing to this fiscal is we're

[6:04] continuing to look at what services uh we can expand where the pressures are

[6:09] where the demand is uh and to always look at what are the population

[6:13] projections who's moving into our area so that we can continue to offer uh

[6:18] programs and services that are needed most. Uh the other highlight just from

[6:22] the last fiscal year obviously our MRI going live but I also wanted to focus on

[6:26] some of the plant uh upgrades we've done at the hospital to reduce our emissions

[6:32] to improve our efficiency to reduce our natural gas use because I am very proud

[6:37] to share and you saw that that headarters we received the biggest

[6:40] rebate check um in the province actually from uh Enbridge Gas Energy last year.

[6:46] So really proud of that. We've got new boilers, all new equipment up in our um

[6:52] top rooftop facility area. So, really pleased with that. So, I'm now I'm going

[6:57] to focus on this current fiscal year. Uh we are focusing on our ED, our emergency

[7:03] department expansion. So, as you know, we'll be celebrating our 30th

[7:07] anniversary being in this location next year. So, our ED department is a 30 30

[7:12] plus year old design. uh the volumes we are seeing are significantly more than

[7:17] what the space was intended to serve. So we're working through that process with

[7:22] the ministry. So that expansion is underway. Uh excited about that. Uh

[7:27] happy to share that our um foundation completed their biggest ever campaign of

[7:33] $18 million and they'll soon be launching their new campaign to support

[7:37] our emergency department expansion. So you'll hear more about that which is

[7:41] very exciting. And then of course we continue to focus on reducing our weight

[7:45] times uh in our emergency department and in other areas such as surgical weight

[7:50] times and for any other programs and services. We are looking at and

[7:54] embracing more and more artificial intelligence in the hospital through

[7:58] various programs uh and features in our current health information system. We're

[8:03] very proud to be continuing on with the Toronto Metropolitan University School

[8:07] of Medicine taking on more uh residents and students and increasing all of our

[8:12] other academic partnerships. And then lastly, I'll just end on a focus that is

[8:17] always at headarters and that is how can we continue to best support our staff,

[8:21] our physicians, our volunteers, our, you know, internal culture, our workforce

[8:27] sustainability uh is something that is always top of mind here so that we can

[8:32] ensure that our staff are here ready to support anyone that walks through our

[8:35] doors and that we have a very positive and healthy and safe uh workplace here

[8:40] at Headarters. With that, I'm I'll pause and I'm more than happy to take any

[8:44] questions. >> Yes. Um Ralph,

[8:49] » um thanks very much uh uh Kim and Francis for coming here um and putting

[8:55] yourself in the position of being asked difficult questions by our deputy mayor.

[9:00] Uh the I'd like to just comment very favorably on what's going on there. I

[9:05] think that um uh the reputation of the hospital for strong governance and uh

[9:11] great service is uh is communitywide and um um I congratulate you for your part

[9:16] in in that. I also congratulate you for looking ahead and as you have been doing

[9:22] regularly and about making new plans. So I have three questions related to the uh

[9:27] some things that are relatively new. What is the present emergency uh

[9:32] department wait time? Number two, um could you fill us in a little bit more

[9:36] on where we are with the community health hub? And the third one is about

[9:41] medical students and TMU, which we can Thank you.

[9:47] Thank you, counselor. Yes, happy to answer those questions. So, the first

[9:51] one uh about the current ED weight time. I don't have the ED weight time clock

[9:55] up, but uh I will share. So last year the provincial

[10:00] uh target for time to see a position in emergency departments across the

[10:05] province was less than four hours. So last year we achieved uh 3.9 hours was

[10:11] our performance. So really happy with that. This year the province um has

[10:16] reduced that target to be less than 3.4 hours in every single emergency

[10:21] department. So we are working obviously very hard to achieve and beat that

[10:26] target of 3.4 hours to see a physician in our merge. So we see stats on a daily

[10:33] basis. Each day I get a a dashboard which looks at for the previous day what

[10:37] was the average weight time. It fluctuates. We've had days where it's

[10:41] been as low as 2.5 hours. Uh and of course unfortunately there are some days

[10:45] where it is over the four hours. So it varies but we are working towards

[10:50] performance of less than 3.4 hours which is a current provincial target and we're

[10:55] making investments to support that. So we do currently have three physician

[10:58] assistants uh in emergency department that help with the workflow. We've also

[11:03] implemented a new um rapid triage function uh in emergency department that

[11:08] is supported actually by one of the ED positions themselves. Uh so we're trying

[11:13] different innovative things. We have a new it's called the hero AI dashboard in

[11:18] emergency department. So that's inward facing where our physicians and nurses

[11:23] there can can rapidly see how many patients are in the department. Which

[11:28] area are they in? Have they been triaged? Are they waiting to see the

[11:31] doctor? Are they waiting for a DI scan? Are they waiting for a lab test? So

[11:35] we're we're also looking at uh other supports to improve the flow in our ED.

[11:41] Uh second question you had was about the community health hub. Uh so that work I

[11:47] know is underway uh in partnership with all of our Ontario health team or OHT

[11:52] partners. So I know they're busy looking at uh how to get that stood up and how

[11:57] to increase the volumes there. Unfortunately I don't have any specifics

[12:00] about that councelor Magdalo. So I'd have to follow up on that. Uh all I do

[12:05] know is that our OT partners um continue to meet and support um the

[12:11] implementation of that and increasing of volumes. And then I know your third one

[12:15] uh was around uh medical students and our partnership with the Toronto

[12:20] Metropolitan University School of Medicine. So we continue to take on more

[12:25] students. This is our second full year of taking on residents uh with that

[12:29] partnership and I know um they're very keen for all hospital partners to

[12:34] increase numbers uh and departments that residents come into. So I know our

[12:39] medical team has looked at that. We've increased the areas where they'll be

[12:43] coming in and so we continue to support them and to date I've only had very

[12:48] positive feedback uh about the students coming in. I've met a few of the

[12:52] residents on the floors who uh at least to my face are very very positive about

[12:57] their experience at Headwaters and I give signs of because I always ask them

[13:01] will you come back and work here and uh I've always heard yes absolutely it's a

[13:05] wonderful community hospital thank you um it's um uh the latter is

[13:12] very important I think to the development of um of the community in

[13:17] the hospital uh having students and being a part of the teaching process

[13:20] This is something that I've had a lot of experience with and I think it brings um

[13:24] brings your hospital's u service function up to a a higher level. So

[13:29] congratulations on that and I encourage you to uh continue to pursue it. I

[13:34] realize that you're just a partner with the community hub but I thought we

[13:37] haven't heard you heard much about this and I think it's a bit of a gray area in

[13:41] in my mind. So maybe we'll get somebody from there to talk to us about it

[13:45] sometime in the future. Thank you. >> Any other questions?

[13:50] I I will go ahead. >> Yeah, I I I'm not going to ask any

[13:54] questions this year, but I I just wanted to say I think it was a great report and

[13:57] and congratulations on the work you're doing. You you know, I have a a

[14:01] long-standing concern about the amount of money you're going to have to raise

[14:04] over the future from local sources and I'm concerned about when you will appear

[14:09] before a county council probably asking for money, but we'll we'll leave that

[14:13] subject alone for today. Thank Thank you very much.

[14:17] » Thank you, Deputy Mayor. next and you'll hear from us next year at council.

[14:23] » Thank you very much for the report. I look forward um each year when you come.

[14:28] Uh I guess the bottom line for me it is uh physician recruitment. Hey the I mean

[14:33] you're you're developing new facilities and you're raising money and you're

[14:37] seeing more people and people are people are clearly moving into the area which

[14:41] we already knew but they're they're having babies now that they're here. I

[14:44] mean all these things are positive but that is uh that is a very low bar if um

[14:49] we want if a good day is 2 and 1/2 hours to see a doctor in in the in the ED. Um

[14:56] but I appreciate that with respect to the province who controls health not the

[15:00] municipal government has given you a bar and you are below it you know that is

[15:04] that is terrific but but as uh as just Canadians in general physician

[15:10] recruitment is what we really need to do. So, I was wondering how is that

[15:13] going on for you? >> Yes, thank you very much for the

[15:18] question, Councelor Davey. It's it's um uh I would say probably one of our uh

[15:26] biggest current challenges position recruitment uh and retention for uh for

[15:32] a few reasons with headwaters. Uh so, but it is something that we are very

[15:36] focused on. Uh I'll speak to uh certainly one of the gaps that we

[15:40] currently have and we have been recruiting for this for over a couple

[15:44] years now. So our one ear nose and throat surgeon uh has essentially

[15:49] retired uh does not do surgeries anymore or call and uh it's been over two years

[15:55] we've been desperately trying to find a new ENT. That was the dip in our uh

[15:59] surgical volumes if you notice them on the year-over-year trending uh because

[16:03] we have not been able to do any tonslectomies here for the last couple

[16:06] years. So uh it is a very competitive market. The number of uh graduates

[16:13] certainly in some of the specialty areas is low uh lower than I think what is

[16:18] needed uh in the province. I think there is an opportunity certainly for the

[16:23] ministries to come together and that's a whole other conversation we could have

[16:26] about uh the ministries the province really working together and planning

[16:31] ahead in regard to uh where is the population growth geriatrics uh younger

[16:38] younger families babies and what types of specialties do we need uh to serve

[16:43] the province but it's one that uh unfortunately we have not been

[16:47] successful in we are uh I'm going to use the term wooing uh a newer um ENT grad

[16:54] from out of province. So we we go to great lengths. We look obviously beyond

[16:59] our province. We look you know across North America to be honest even I should

[17:03] say even in Europe we've got lots of different kind of tentacles reaching out

[17:07] trying to look at how we can recruit positions. So we're very busy in that

[17:11] area but it is position recruitment overall is challenging. I'm going to

[17:15] speak to just another area and it is our ED. Um and again some of the factors are

[17:21] out of the control of our hospital. Um some of the outside factors that impact

[17:26] us are due to the physician services agreement which is negotiated by the

[17:31] Ontario medical associ association the OM and the ministry of health directly

[17:35] and just to give you an example and I think it's just important for kind of

[17:38] education and for council to be aware of it's something I've spoken to Sylvia

[17:43] about and our board and myself and other hospitals speak about this often. It's,

[17:47] you know, we're a mediumsized community hospital surrounded by larger centers.

[17:52] So, we've got South Lake to the east, we've got William Oller, Trillium,

[17:57] Halton Healthcare to the south, we've got G to the west, and to the north to

[18:01] the north of Stevenson. So, similar uh and then bigger ones like Royal Victoria

[18:05] Hospital. But, um there are the new agreement has high volume incentives for

[18:11] the larger ED departments. Uh so the more patients they see uh which is a

[18:17] pure incentive for physicians to see physician or patients faster and to see

[18:21] a greater number there's a volume incentive they receive a higher payment.

[18:24] Uh then at the same time the province um really incentivized small and rural

[18:30] emergency departments that were really struggling with uh being able to recruit

[18:35] physicians. You've probably heard a number of them had ED closures uh which

[18:38] is not good for those communities. So there's uh large incentives for

[18:43] physicians, ED physicians to go work in the small rural areas. So unfortunately,

[18:47] what's in the middle are medium-sized hospitals such as ourselves who are now

[18:51] competing with, in our case, the larger hospitals where docs now want to pick up

[18:56] shifts because they have volume incentives. Uh they can make a

[18:59] significant greater amount of money. At Headquarters, we have what's called an

[19:04] emergency department alternate funding agreement where there's a guaranteed

[19:08] amount that our physicians make because we don't have the high volumes. Um, and

[19:13] but we don't have those incentives that the other hospitals have. So to come and

[19:16] pick up a shift in our ED is becoming less and less appealing. So again, we

[19:23] have structured our funding, the physicians have, it's, you know, the

[19:26] funding agreement is with them directly. The funding flows to them. they've

[19:30] structured it to try to incentivize uh but I know that it's becoming harder and

[19:35] harder each day as we compete with these other centers that have different

[19:39] incentives. So, it's something that the medium-siz hospital network does

[19:43] advocate to the ministry to the OMA about. Our physicians directly go to the

[19:48] OMA and then as a hospital we are continually speaking with our physicians

[19:53] also looking at how can we best support you? What can we do? Um one of the

[19:58] examples I shared earlier was that um we you know we've supplied three physician

[20:04] assistants now so around the clock in RD to again help them with their workflow

[20:09] take off some of the administrative burden so that we can allow them to see

[20:12] patients faster. So it's a great question. Uh there are some challenges

[20:20] with physician recruitment. Uh, you know, another one is our geography

[20:25] where, you know, within an hour of the GTA,

[20:28] um, which is a blessing and a bit of a curse. There are less and less

[20:33] physicians that want to make the 1 hour drive north.

[20:37] » Well, yeah, cuz it's an hour and a half now, right? That's that's the problem.

[20:41] » And as you know, our real estate is is I mean, it's beautiful up here, right? It

[20:46] is beautiful up here, but that makes the real estate market also uh it's not

[20:51] cheap to live up here, >> right? All right. Thank you very much

[20:54] for that answer. >> Thank you. And if there's anything we

[20:56] can do um to advocate on your behalf, I think that let us know and let let

[21:02] county council know as well. uh because it's sort of unfortunate that you fall

[21:06] in the middle of two sizes of hospital that that get uh uh dare I say

[21:13] preferential uh treatment or at least uh uh they they have incentives that we we

[21:18] don't have because we fall in the middle. I have one uh one question for

[21:23] you and it's the one I ask every every time and that is what is the proportion

[21:26] of uh of Duffren uh to uh to peel uh patients. Is it still running around

[21:32] 25%? Has it changed in the last year? >> I I think it's uh great question. Thank

[21:38] you, mayor, for that. It's I think closer to 7030, maybe even tipping the

[21:43] 30 plus percentage now. >> Oh,

[21:45] » that come to us from PEL and you know, Kaledan in particular, but I'll appeal.

[21:50] » Okay. >> More and more are coming north.

[21:52] » That's that's very interesting. >> Any uh any further questions or comments

[21:57] by council? Well, Kim and Francis, thank you very

[22:01] much for your presentation. Oh. Uh, Fred, no, I just Oh, you're waving.

[22:05] » Thank you very much for your presentation and, uh, we've learned a

[22:09] lot from it and from, uh, the, uh, uh, questions and answers that we've, we've

[22:14] had today and we wish you the best of luck. Uh, I gather there is a new

[22:19] campaign launch on the horizon. I've heard a little bit about it and I wish

[22:23] you the best of luck in in that exercise as well.

[22:28] » Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. Thank you for having us and I hope you

[22:31] enjoy the rest of rest of the summer. >> Thanks Kim Francis. Nice to see you.

[22:36] » Byebye. >> Thank you. The uh next items on the

[22:42] agenda, I think we should defer to their um uh times uh namely the noise

[22:48] exemption bylaw applications at 10:00 a.m. and 10:15

[22:52] a.m. And with the indulgence of council, I think we should proceed to uh uh the

[22:58] the next items on the agenda after that. Um and then regroup at 10. Are we okay

[23:04] with that? >> Okay. So, the next uh the next item on

[23:07] the agenda is councelor Cape's uh uh motion with regard to a mono multi-ports

[23:14] community center and I'll turn it over to councelor Capes.

[23:19] » Thank you, mayor. Uh so, I know you've read the report

[23:25] and uh I know you're as excited as I am to see this come to Mono. Um even people

[23:34] that I have talked to have still continue to say they want something like

[23:39] this and so serendipitously we have been um connected to a couple who wish to

[23:48] build this. So I I don't need to add any more than

[23:53] what's there. We know that there's more to do. Uh it has to come back it has to

[23:59] come to council through planning. So, that's being worked out as we speak. I

[24:05] should let you know they have um approval to build the roadway in. Uh is

[24:12] everybody familiar where this spot is? >> Roughly. Yes.

[24:15] » Where is it? >> Yeah. Describe it just for the benefit

[24:18] of anyone. Highway 89 before you there there's a side road

[24:24] before the roadway into well it's the Mono Malmer town line before you get

[24:30] there where Mrs. Mitchell's is. So this would be up the hill and behind that

[24:35] full throttle. >> Okay.

[24:37] » And the the the entrance will be off the side road at the top of the hill and

[24:43] that's where the parking will be. And as far as I understand, of course, all of

[24:47] the engineering has to be worked out, is it will be built into the side of the uh

[24:52] hill. >> So, it looks like it's in MMO, but it's

[24:56] in Mono because the ino >> the mmer Mono town line deviates off of

[25:02] Highway 89 there. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And uh as I say,

[25:07] there there are planning things that need to be worked out.

[25:12] they've spoken to the NVCA and uh there's a lot of earth works that

[25:17] need to be done and as long as they're compliant with uh NVC requirements and

[25:22] environmental studies and anything they have to do that's all to be done. Um

[25:28] they also have to get um

[25:33] all of the right approvals from our table from our planning and there's been

[25:39] preliminary they've asked for guidance. I know that

[25:44] and there will be a zoning change requirement because they own that house

[25:50] that's there now. It's um a log house >> so they own that whole property. It's

[25:56] it's more than what you can just see cuz it goes up as well.

[26:01] » Yeah. >> So, just before I recognize Fred, to to

[26:04] be clear, what they are seeking is a letter of support from us in pursuit of

[26:09] a provincial grant. Is that an accurate way of

[26:12] » No, they're they're they're looking for support from us. Just this as I attached

[26:18] a general letter saying we we support the concept.

[26:22] » Mhm. Notwithstanding there's a whole lot of work that needs to be done to make it

[26:28] work. Uh and so it's a feasibility in that sense but it's what what is

[26:35] required to make it really viable and make it happen. And so that means that

[26:41] the more they can get support the more they can go out and seek

[26:46] funders. >> Fred.

[26:49] » Yeah. I I want to ask a question which maybe is going to sound a little

[26:53] negative, Elaine. I I think it's a fantastic idea and I'm all for it, but I

[26:57] just understand it. When this complex is built, it's privately owned. It's not

[27:03] it's not a public facility. They will be charging fees for entrance. Will they be

[27:09] will they be a profit or nonprofit organization? And just to finish the

[27:14] question, if they're going to build a community center and it's privately

[27:17] owned >> and it's not a community,

[27:19] » are they going to have it sort of as a nonprofit instead of registered as a

[27:22] charity so that they can accept donations and issue charitable receipts?

[27:26] I I know that sounds a bit negative, but I just want to understand that this is a

[27:29] total private facility with fees being charged with or without profit being

[27:36] made. Right. >> Exactly. So, it's an owner built and

[27:41] operated facility. And of course, they're looking for partnerships. And

[27:45] so, all of the details behind that still need to be worked out in terms of when

[27:50] they get the shovels in the ground and they

[27:55] start to build it. There's other opportunities for them to partner with

[27:59] community to do community things there. They they are doing this for community.

[28:04] It's a It's a multis-port rec and community center.

[28:11] » I understand. >> So, there will be all kinds of

[28:14] opportunities and we just don't have the details for that yet.

[28:17] » If I could just follow >> just one more and then I'll turn to

[28:19] other counselors. >> I understand that, but it I just I

[28:21] wanted to ask my question because it it influences my mind as to whether or not

[28:25] we should put public money into something like this.

[28:28] » They're not asking for public money. I know they're not, but but looking for

[28:31] partners down the road. And just so that I know down the road the issue, it's

[28:35] it's a private enterprise. >> Yep.

[28:39] » Melinda, >> thank you very much, mayor. Thank you,

[28:41] Elaine, for for continuing to uh champion this. I really think that this

[28:47] would be a large mistake for Mono to get in bed with another private entity,

[28:54] whether it turns out to be nonprofit or not. It is a it is a business. There's

[29:00] no difference from this and the and the new person who came along and renovated

[29:05] uh a place that had a barn and is now has an event center in their barn and

[29:10] and um it happens to be near my house. Um and and so this is something that

[29:15] yes, it's community and yes, I don't mean to I don't mean to stomp on people

[29:18] who want to go forward with things, but it is it's not a community center unless

[29:23] it is is a municipal thing. And if we and if we continue allow them to say a

[29:29] community center, then I think what's down the road is, oh, but it's always

[29:31] been a community center and we can't afford the new heat pumps. Why? Why

[29:35] can't you? And and I just I I just think and then the concept looks terrific, but

[29:40] I don't see there's not even enough parking. If you have people playing

[29:43] baseball, soccer, and pool at the same time, where the heck are they going to

[29:46] park? And where's the actual community um

[29:52] space within the little design? It's it's lovely concept, but um we already

[29:58] have two fantastic community centers in our town. Why would we support and we

[30:04] also get flack back from, you know, should we really have these? Why would

[30:08] we get into a relationship with a with a private entity? And I and I think we we

[30:14] got what's the expression? It's probably rude. bitten bitten by the having put in

[30:20] our official plan some other entities in past years that we really wanted to

[30:25] support. But as time goes on and things change, perhaps you perhaps we want to

[30:31] change and yet we're then um hog tied. That's also a rude expression, isn't it?

[30:36] Um by by our our decisions of of mixing municipal with private corporation. So,

[30:44] » so at this point just to you know good to put that forward. We are not mixing

[30:52] anything. We are giving them a letter of support that says we support this

[30:58] concept so that they can go and get funding. It's not that we're giving them

[31:03] funding, but we're not closing the door because at some point in the future, we

[31:08] may want to sign along with them for those grants again so that it can be

[31:16] built for the community to use. There's a huge gap in that northern quadrant.

[31:22] And it's not only benefits Mono, it will benefit people in Shelurn, it will

[31:27] benefit people in Meen, it will benefit people in Malmer. and I intend to go and

[31:33] present to those councils as well. So, so it's not that it's not a community

[31:39] center. It is a multi-port facility and you can see as you said the

[31:45] dominant space is for sport. There's an indoor pool and there's indoor

[31:51] basketball courts that can be used for other things like pickle ball, tennis

[31:55] and etc. And there is the whole upper floor which is soccer. And as you got

[32:00] the sense from their letter, um, Richard is a professional soccer player and they

[32:07] want to bring indoor soccer. They have been running a soccer uh, business for a

[32:13] a while. And so it it is all of those things.

[32:18] » Yeah. So, can I follow up on that? >> Yes. Briefly, and then we've got to move

[32:22] on. And that and that brings me to another point about why you don't

[32:26] particularly want to get into this one because this is clearly a a passion of

[32:32] somebody who makes money in the business. So it's not a it's not a for

[32:37] all of the community and so on. and and right down the road the the Duffren um

[32:42] recreation complex that we already have a part in that is precarious at the

[32:47] moment because the way that different municipalities are behaving and wanting

[32:51] and so on. I I think that we should learn from our lessons and not go into

[32:58] something like that. So, I I don't I I think if somebody wants to go ahead to

[33:03] bring it as a zoning change, then that's a council decision to move it on to our

[33:07] zoning um committee and so on and and and that we should have a space in. But

[33:12] to put our stamp of approval on some private person who who ha is I I think

[33:19] is uh is is not cricket. Okay. >> Um Elaine, if I can ask a question. How

[33:24] is this different than the facility that we already have in Mono known as Axe?

[33:29] Yeah. >> Well, it's very different um in that

[33:32] they don't have a pool and it's at the south end and this is at the north end.

[33:36] » I I'm not that's private. Yeah, >> that's my point is

[33:40] » but we supported them with the you know >> some of the structure of the didn't we

[33:46] support them rebuilding their uh dome and

[33:50] » I think we've been generally supportive of of of their activities and they've

[33:54] been very very successful in their private and you're right and it's

[33:58] similar in that in that regard >> they're privately held and they uh they

[34:02] do indeed reach out to people in Mono who participate in the basketball

[34:06] program right >> as an example Right.

[34:09] » So is is it it's similar to what we already have?

[34:13] » Yes. Exactly. And and also this is liken it to a YMCA.

[34:21] Like if we could get the Y to come and build here, great. But we can't cuz

[34:26] they're not building infrastructure right now. And so the YMCA is owned and

[34:32] operated by the YMCA and it's a fee for service programming. this would be very

[34:39] similar. Now, obviously these detailed questions about how it would run, how it

[34:44] would operate, I can't speak to fully because I'm not the proponent and it

[34:50] would be incorrect for me to do that without them here to speak for

[34:53] themselves. But this was an introduction to an opportunity that we can take

[34:59] advantage of to supply something that our citizens are looking for.

[35:05] And we're only asking right at this point is consideration to sign the

[35:11] letter that does not obligate us to give them any financing at all or approve

[35:19] this when it comes for zoning. Uh it doesn't commit us to any of that. It's

[35:24] just we are saying great idea. Go ahead. >> And why do we need it in writing? I'm

[35:31] sorry. May >> Ralph, do you have any?

[35:34] » Yes, it is. Thank you. >> Thanks. Thanks for bringing us Ela and

[35:37] and thanks very much for championing the uh concept of providing more

[35:41] recreational experiences for people in Monal. Um I see this as a little

[35:46] different from Axe in that it has a pool. Um does Axe have an indoor soccer

[35:51] field now? >> Indoor. Yeah. Fields. That's their deal.

[35:54] Pardon? >> Yes, that's their deal. Indoor stuff.

[35:57] » Well, mostly it was basketball. It was built on the on the premise of

[36:01] basketball and training basketball. I think they had tennies as well at one

[36:04] point. >> Okay. Um, so this is this is entirely

[36:08] private and it will be structured that way. Um, if we had a um some business

[36:14] that wanted to come into Mono and create 20 new jobs and that would be productive

[36:19] for Mono, we'd have no hesitation in supporting them. I have no hesitation

[36:23] supporting a private um um u business or organization and in and in in in saying

[36:29] yes, it's a good thing for us and we'll go for it. Um I' I'd like a little more

[36:34] information about them if you like. They they um were based in Bmpton and it's an

[36:40] organization that has similar names throughout the uh North America. Do you

[36:45] know anything about them? >> You really don't know what you're

[36:48] talking about? Well, I tried to uh to research it last night and it seemed

[36:52] that they have a name which is in Bmpton. If you go if you look up their

[36:55] name. >> What you mean they have a name?

[36:57] » A name? A name? This is a corporate name if you like. Anyway, I should have more

[37:01] information. I'll get it for you. >> Right. So, I the information I have is

[37:05] what was in the report. >> It tells you who they are individually.

[37:09] » He grew up playing soccer. He became a pro. He traveled the world. His passion

[37:15] is soccer. and he they run a soccer club.

[37:21] » She works for the Canadian Armed Forces. Uh so right right

[37:25] » she has a very uh senior role there and you know they they have the skills and

[37:30] the passion to make this happen. >> So I got a Brford a Bmpton address when

[37:35] I looked them up and I'll follow up on that. The other comment is that the CS

[37:41] uh RIF grant is not available to private organizations. is only available to um

[37:48] uh NOS's uh municipalities or indigenous organizations. So I'm not sure why they

[37:54] would put this in here that they're >> No, they didn't put that in there. I

[37:56] did. >> Okay. Well, I think it's uh that's

[38:00] grants are not available from that organization for this institution. Well,

[38:04] um Kim knows more about that than anybody, but there is they did find some

[38:09] granting uh fund grants that were open to forprofit organizations.

[38:17] So, we can strike that out if you want, but mainly we're looking for support

[38:25] just to say we support the idea. It's all up to them as the proponents to make

[38:33] it happen to do all the planning as I said and get all the everything you know

[38:38] uh according to planning rules and regulations and

[38:45] property zoning and all that stuff. >> If I can follow up. Yeah.

[38:49] » Yeah. I have no problem with uh saying that we would like to see this in the

[38:53] muna. We think if it's viable they should go ahead. Um, I would not like to

[38:58] see it morph into something like, "Hey, we're in deep trouble here. Can

[39:02] municipality help them bail us out?" >> Well, um, I'd like to quote from the the

[39:08] proposed draft letter. Um, it it says, "Council is supportive in principle of

[39:15] the proposed multisport community center." Uh I have some question about

[39:20] the use of the term community center because it does confuse people between

[39:25] our community centers and and a privately held community center. Uh the

[39:32] uh wording goes on this support does not constitute imply uh or confirm any

[39:37] financial contribution, funding commitment, grant, loan or other

[39:41] monetary support from the town of Mono. Uh it further states this letter does

[39:46] not supersede wave, replace or predetermine any approvals,

[39:51] requirements, processes, conditions or obligations. Sounds like it's been

[39:55] written by a lawyer. Uh or obligations under the planning act. So it's it is

[40:02] I mean I think we are well protected by a wording that uh says that we are not

[40:08] obliged to fund and we are not obliged to approve from the standpoint of

[40:12] planning. >> Right.

[40:14] So then that brings me to what what what are we doing? Is it really the council's

[40:20] position when somebody and you're right that we would support but at this stage

[40:24] of the game when somebody comes to and wants to open up a car dealership or

[40:29] they don't come to us first and ask for something in writing they get everything

[40:34] all their ducks in a row and then whereas I I feel like there is and when

[40:39] and when you say we and so on I'm I'm I'm getting them the the impression that

[40:44] you have been very passionate about this and that you might not be as objective

[40:48] about the this as as I would like a counselor to be in your position.

[40:54] » Yes, Fred. >> So, I just I just don't know why we need

[40:56] why we need it. >> I just if I could sort of respond to

[41:00] councelor Davey, I I agree. I I not not with you. I I think there's no problem

[41:05] with us as a council saying, "Hey, here's a letter of support. We think

[41:08] it's a great idea and go ahead." I don't have a problem with that. And as the

[41:12] mayor just read out, there's all kinds of conditions in this letter that says

[41:17] don't come after us for money or anything else. But I'm I'm quite willing

[41:20] to support the idea of them doing this. >> Just to clarify, so letters of support

[41:26] are like perhaps endorsements for councils

[41:32] running people running for council. They're endorsements. They make no

[41:36] commitment beyond that. They might not even vote for you, but they're saying,

[41:40] "Oh, yes. I'll I'll I'll endorse this person to run." because they are looking

[41:46] for letters of support in all different places so that they can say to private

[41:54] funders, I have all of these letters of support

[41:58] for the the desire to see this in the

[42:03] community and therefore will you give us money?

[42:08] That's what's it's all about. It's building that business case and building

[42:12] the funding. Uh >> if if I can make one one statement and

[42:17] that is this is not dissimilar to uh the town being approached by somebody who

[42:22] wants to uh uh build something commercial

[42:26] uh and uh uh and and let's say it's a um a widget factory. Okay. And our response

[42:34] would be we'd love to see you do that but you have to uh go through a planning

[42:40] process. don't look to us for subsidies. >> Yes.

[42:44] » Um and uh and and good luck. Uh but you know, and that happens all the time in

[42:50] municipalities and and people are encouraged either uh privately or

[42:55] through through a council discussion such as this uh subject to the

[42:59] conditions that they apply uh you know through the planning process. and that

[43:05] uh at any point in the future the answer um to any request for money could very

[43:11] easily be no and you knew that going into it.

[43:14] You're >> right. Exactly.

[43:17] You're right. Except that it's not a widget factory. It is presented as a

[43:24] » Do you know what I mean? Like it like you're Yes, but it but it is

[43:28] » it's better than a widget factory. >> It is because it it provides something

[43:31] to the community. something that the community has been asking for.

[43:36] » And so >> I don't think the letter I'm all in

[43:38] support of the letter. I wish it didn't use the word community center in the

[43:41] letter. >> But that but but we don't we can we can

[43:44] take well and you're all quick to take that out and take out the grant and

[43:48] everything. It's actually then it then then it is we're just we we support

[43:52] business in in mono in general in which of course we do. In which case, why does

[43:58] this why do they need a specific why >> as I explained they need as many letters

[44:03] of support as they can unlike just like endorsements

[44:09] so that when they go to funders not I'm not just that

[44:15] » no endorsements are legislated this is just an idea

[44:18] » it's a letter of encouragement >> so that you know people will say okay so

[44:23] you've you've gone to others you've asked them for your you Do they support

[44:28] this idea? And yes, they do. It just demonstrates that people have a desire

[44:33] to see this. >> Okay.

[44:38] » Call the question. >> Call the question. Okay. Uh I'm going to

[44:42] call the question. Right. >> Uh I'm not sure it's been moved or

[44:46] seconded. Jed, your >> No, no, they did it right when she

[44:49] presented it. >> No, no, I haven't read the motion yet.

[44:52] » Believe it or not, I haven't read the motion. Oh, then that was before the

[44:54] meeting that you said I will I will first it and you will second it right

[44:57] now. >> No, but that's for something else too.

[44:59] » That's that's for the other thing. We were only talking about the motor

[45:03] scooter thing. >> Uh I have a motion that we receive the

[45:06] Mono Mono Multisport Community Center report from councelor Capes dated August

[45:11] 17th, 2026. and that the mayor send a letter of support on behalf of council

[45:17] to Rich Richard Edwards and Christa Gail Clark Edwards in substantially the same

[45:23] form as the draft letter of support included in the report.

[45:27] » Can I move an amendment a friendly amendment? I think can we take

[45:30] » Well, let's see if it's friendly. >> Okay. Can we take the word community out

[45:33] of that motion? >> Yeah. Sports center.

[45:37] » Yes. >> Acceptable with that? Okay. So, we're

[45:40] removing the uh term community for I think reasons stated uh uh previously.

[45:46] Um okay. So, um

[45:49] » so move. >> It's so move. Okay. And I will so second

[45:52] or Fred, you want to second? >> I'll second.

[45:54] » Okay. You'll second. >> Uh those in favor?

[46:00] » Any opposed? And motion carries.

[46:03] » Uh thank you very much. There are a lot of people out there who

[46:08] are going to be very happy and I know a lot of them.

[46:12] » Okay. Anyways, let's let's not go into territori.

[46:23] » Anyways, uh I am still going to I see we have uh

[46:28] some people in the gallery. Are you here on the uh uh the noise bylaw?

[46:32] » Yes. >> Okay. Um, I'm going to if if I if I can

[46:35] ask for your indulgence, we'll address it at 10:00 because it's on the agenda

[46:39] as an item for 10:00. So, we'll proceed with uh other items on the uh on the

[46:45] agenda. The first item is a a temporary borrowing bylaw. This is a routine

[46:50] matter. And I have a motion that council receives the temporary borrowing bylaw

[46:55] report dated August 17th, 2026. and that we introduce and give the necessary

[47:00] readings to a bylaw to authorize the temporary borrowing of funds that be

[47:04] signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Uh moved by

[47:08] deputy mayor uh Nicks, seconded by councelor Magdalo. Any discussion or

[47:13] questions for less? >> Yeah, I have one question.

[47:16] » How how often do we use this? Do do we borrow money temporarily? I don't think

[47:21] we do. Do do we very often? >> Thank Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Uh I was

[47:24] actually anticipating that question. Maybe not from you, but uh well, not

[47:30] that recent, but it it's fairly recent during co time when council deferred the

[47:34] tax payments. I had to I had to kind of dip into that, but it's all it has been

[47:40] now taxes have been collected. It's all paid up, but we have had to use it

[47:44] » on occasion that in that moment was an emergency.

[47:47] » So, it's a sort of a form of bridge financing, right?

[47:51] » Yeah. >> Okay. Uh I'll call the question. Any

[47:54] opposed? Do you want to move and second? >> Oh, move her and second.

[47:58] » We did. We did. Sorry. >> Okay. So, any opposed to the motion?

[48:03] » Seeing none, the motion passes. >> Uh, next item is the report to council

[48:08] on the 2026 2027 Island Lake um, uh, drinking water inspection report. And uh

[48:16] I have a motion that the council for the town of Mono receive the 2026 2027

[48:21] island lake drinking water system inspection report that and that the town

[48:25] continues its commitment to transparency to make these reports publicly available

[48:30] on the town's website and at the town and at town hall ensuring residents have

[48:36] ongoing access to information regarding the safety and reliability of the

[48:40] drinking water systems. Do I have a mover for that? Councelor Magdalo moves

[48:45] councelor Cape seconds uh discussion or questions for Matt uh Ralph and then

[48:51] Fred. >> Um Matt um could you just explain to us

[48:56] what secondary disinfection residual is and um why that's been a problem and

[49:02] what's been done about it. >> Thanks Council M. Um, so we're required,

[49:08] the operating authority is required to take samples in the distribution system

[49:12] to ensure that the residual of the chlorine is adequate throughout the

[49:16] system. Unfortunately, this was more of an administrative miss. Um, I've talked

[49:21] to the uh town um of Orangeville about this and they've since purchased some

[49:27] additional software to help remind operators to take these samples. Um like

[49:34] I said it's a it's more or less a human error on on that behalf, but there's

[49:38] lots of redundancies in place for chlorine residual. So you have the

[49:42] pre-cont um analyzers and you have the postc

[49:46] contact analyzers. This is just an additional test for the system to ensure

[49:50] that that chlorine is going through the system at a level that's acceptable to

[49:54] the ministry. So a a testing is done somewhere downstream from where the

[49:59] chlorine is insert is put in >> and it it appeared to me that that

[50:04] testing revealed that chlorine was inadequate there.

[50:07] » No, it's just that it wasn't sampled. >> Wasn't sampled. Okay. So

[50:11] » So it's a sample that's collected at a sample station throughout the

[50:14] distribution system. They collects it. They sent to the lab to verify that. And

[50:18] what's the purpose of doing this secondary uh uh chlorine

[50:22] » extra layers of to ensure that that chlorine that's injected into the system

[50:25] that the analyzer should it fail or should an analyzer fail in the in the

[50:30] pump house um that it's being collected or if it's there's stagnant sections of

[50:34] water in the system. Um but typically that this isn't normally a problem. It's

[50:39] just an unfortunate >> So the concern is that the chlorine

[50:42] remain in the in the system until it comes out my drinking tap, right?

[50:45] » Yes. >> Okay. And um so it sounded like they

[50:49] were adding additional pieces of equipment to deal with this. Is it a

[50:54] monitoring equipment? >> Software. It's just literally a

[50:57] reminder. And you know operators, it's not just a simple day-to-day thing. If

[51:01] everything ran perfectly and all the machines ran perfectly and the equipment

[51:04] was fine, but a lot of the time they get dragged around and there's they're

[51:07] attending to issues uh at any time of the day. And it's not an excuse, but

[51:11] unfortunately it leads to uh a mess or a slight delay.

[51:16] » Okay. Well, so just just say congratulations on the report. It's a

[51:19] very important subject for our our town and for all of our residents who depend

[51:25] upon this drinking water and I think the uh management of this has been really

[51:29] excellent by your yourself and your staff.

[51:32] » Thank you Fred and then Melinda. Yeah, I was going to ask a question on the same

[51:37] thing because it's a a non-compliance and you know, every year when we read

[51:41] some of these drinking water reports, we have the these non-compliance issues

[51:45] which raises in my mind the question of whether we're dealing with the right

[51:49] operators for our water system. However, having said that, and I know the

[51:51] public's listening, I I I I will have to say that these non-compliance issues

[51:56] that keep occurring in our drinking water reports are are usually just small

[52:01] administrative or paperwork issues. They're not

[52:04] » they're not serious non-compliance issues. The water is still safe. And in

[52:07] this particular case, what surprised me, Matt, was that in last year's report,

[52:13] this was not a non-compliance issue. So, how come how

[52:17] I I guess I wondered why wasn't it caught before? And how many years have

[52:20] we gone without this secondary u um sampling?

[52:29] » Thanks, Stephanie Mary. Nick with you. Uh we haven't had we there's been times

[52:34] in the past that this has been an issue where it's been missed and it's been

[52:37] reported. Um I think last year the year before we had 100% on the inspection

[52:42] report. So um it's like you said it's it's when you're we have humans involved

[52:47] even computers involved there's still uh issues with that. So um it

[52:52] » was caught in the past why wasn't it fixed? Why why haven't we solved the

[52:56] problem? didn't happen this time. >> I would say that there's different

[53:01] operators being trained all the time and hired and and whatnot. And like I said,

[53:04] you're they're being dragged to a different situation at in in Mono or

[53:09] Orangeville and it may be a slight delay in sampling. Um I believe there was one

[53:13] instance in the past where it got misplaced. The sample was taken but it

[53:17] was misplaced. There's just like I said, humans and in and machines there's

[53:22] there's always the potential for some miss. If I could just finish, there are

[53:27] other operators we could hire and I don't know what their records are in the

[53:30] water systems that they run. I guess what I'd like to know, do they also have

[53:35] human errors all the time or would they be any better than our current operator?

[53:39] I would recommend you to look at the annual and summary reports that are

[53:43] submit and the ministry reports that get posted to uh whether it's new to KUMSA

[53:49] or other surrounding municipalities to review what their their uh status is as

[53:53] far as uh inspection compliance. >> Thank you, Mayor Melinda.

[53:58] » Thank you very much. Thanks for the report. And it's and it's good. I mean,

[54:01] you know, it's it's 93 or whatever, but um wasn't I didn't I read in here that

[54:06] the that the actual time was in December between tw December 22nd and December 28

[54:12] or whatever that the error was. So, this was like when somebody was on holiday or

[54:16] the person who was on holiday didn't quite message to the person who was

[54:19] covering for them exactly, oh, don't forget to do the whatever. Right. So,

[54:22] that's that's the human error there. >> That's right. Yeah. There's some the

[54:24] communication there. And when I was speaking with management about it,

[54:28] they've since purchased software as an additional layer to for these reminders

[54:33] and uh the communication transfer um sometimes is there's lots of different

[54:38] things going on, but Matt >> um

[54:42] » I just correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't read that the chlorination didn't

[54:48] happen. I read that the sample wasn't taken.

[54:51] » That's right. And I think that's a very important distinction to make here.

[54:55] » Y >> is that the the important thing is that

[54:58] the the chlorination occurs, right? So yeah, like the chlorine leaving the

[55:03] facility >> is tested by a pre and a post sampler.

[55:08] So it can't leave the well shuts down if there's an issue with that chlorine that

[55:13] chlorinated water leaving the contact chamber, which is a a pipe underneath

[55:16] the ground that says the chlorine has to be in that water for a certain period of

[55:20] time. and it's calculated based on the flow going out to users. If it drops

[55:26] below that level, the pump shuts down. Everything shuts down. So, yeah, it's

[55:32] it's just an additional check. >> I think that's that's important for the

[55:35] public to know is that we're not disputing that the chlorination or

[55:39] they're not disputing that the chlorination didn't occur, only that it

[55:43] wasn't sampled properly. >> Yeah. Okay. So there's just a couple if

[55:47] there's any other questions or not but hey

[55:51] » thank you I yes and and I noticed that too Melinda the December 22nd to 28th

[55:57] and when should that sample have been taken within that time frame and it says

[56:03] uh this is on page 13 there's a 48 hour timing on this and then three and four

[56:09] sample timing. What does that mean? It's just the frequency of the of when

[56:13] they're taking it throughout the week. So they do four and then they they flip

[56:17] to three so they don't they don't miss it. Yeah. So it's just a

[56:22] Yeah. >> In case I get tested by the ministry.

[56:24] » So um I think report pages 11 and 13. Um

[56:30] also the ministry speaks about chlorine chlorine contact loops in both Kohl's

[56:35] and Island Lake. And I spoke to council about this earlier this year that the

[56:39] ministry had set a a date of August 2027 to implement this contact loop. So I

[56:44] just wanted to give council the heads up that this will be part of the 2027

[56:48] budget and it's not cheap. >> Um it's uh 200 plus,000 per system. So

[56:56] Kohl's and Island Lake and uh the idea is that that will be you know brought to

[57:02] council and tendered in the spring. We did submit a letter to the ministry

[57:06] requesting exemption from the Kohl's system because as council will recall uh

[57:11] the EA has recommended that we remove coals one and two from the system. So

[57:16] we're hoping we don't have to do that work and then completely abandon it. So

[57:20] we're hoping we get a favorable response from then. And then I just wanted one

[57:24] quick thing with respect to the arsenic on page report page 14. Uh we hope to

[57:29] have the project file report submitted uh published this week. So that will be

[57:34] uh hopefully online uh as early as this week.

[57:37] » But the other thing we should assure our taxpayers, whatever the cost of this new

[57:41] loop is, it doesn't affect our taxes >> comes from reserves. Water reserves.

[57:46] » No, it comes from the water users. >> Comes from the the reserves that have

[57:50] been created by the water users. >> Yeah.

[57:54] » Um >> which we don't have that much. Right.

[58:02] Well,

[58:06] anyways, on that note, uh I'll call the question. Uh any opposed to acceptance

[58:10] of the report? Okay. And that's uh carried.

[58:15] Uh we are within 3 minutes of 10:00. Is it council's wish that we go to the uh

[58:21] uh 10:00 item? >> Yes.

[58:23] » Okay. Good morning. Um, you're here in support

[58:28] of a uh a request for an exemption to the uh noise bylaw. If you'd like to

[58:33] come forward and introduce yourselves and uh we'll uh we'll consider the

[58:38] request. >> Are they for 10 or 10:15?

[58:40] » I think it's one and the same. >> Oh, pardon me. For 10:00. My apologies.

[58:47] » Okay. >> Yes. Mr. Boures.

[58:53] » And Mr. Mr. Borges, if you could just press

[58:56] the button on the uh and just restate your name and give us your address.

[59:00] » Joe Boures and my personal address. >> Yes.

[59:03] » 9562 Six Line, Georgetown, Ontario.

[59:08] » Okay. >> Thank you. Uh and Mr. Borges, you've

[59:12] made an application for a u an exemption to uh uh the uh enforcement of the noise

[59:19] bylaw for your event. uh if you can just tell us briefly a little bit um about it

[59:24] and the reasons why council should grant the request.

[59:28] Okay. Um as for what they are, they've it's pretty much it's the same as what's

[59:34] been done there in the past other than by different people. Um

[59:41] I don't know, you know, you guys are aware of what they are. So it's uh

[59:48] exactly the same thing.

[59:52] Okay. >> Has he been here before?

[59:56] » Have we Have we ever >> No. No. This is my my first time. I

[1:00:00] mean, I've been in Orangeville in the past, but like 15 years ago,

[1:00:05] » but you've you've run events in Orangeville.

[1:00:08] » You? Yeah. In the past, like been about 15 16 years now. Okay. I haven't been.

[1:00:13] » Okay. Um, members of council questions. So, Elaine caught my eye first, followed

[1:00:19] by Ralph, followed by Melinda. >> Thank you for coming. And I I just want

[1:00:25] to understand because you do know that our bylaw says

[1:00:30] sound or vibration is noise >> and it's noise if it's likely to disturb

[1:00:36] somebody. >> Yes.

[1:00:37] » And we've had lots of, you know, situations that it's disturbed people.

[1:00:42] And so I want to understand why you need to go to 11:00 p.m. It gets dark at

[1:00:50] 8:00. Now >> this we have kind of what it's like a

[1:00:54] finals. So we're it carries on a little it won't be on until 11:00. Um I put

[1:01:01] 11:00 just as 11:00. Um the rodeo itself like

[1:01:06] by 9 9:30 we'll be done. Um, I just put 11:00 as

[1:01:12] » So, how do you do this in the dark? >> Like, they have the lights. It's It's

[1:01:18] still >> um

[1:01:20] » Okay. So, could we consider changing it to 9:00?

[1:01:25] » Sure. >> It's very generous of you.

[1:01:31] » And Ralph and then Hi, Linda. >> Just just hi, thanks for coming. Uh,

[1:01:35] just a note about the timing here. Um this is a August the 25th and you're

[1:01:41] asking for an event uh uh that uh permission for noise for an event that's

[1:01:45] in 4 days time. >> Yes. Um I didn't we didn't have uh the

[1:01:51] day or when everything got submitted was I believe

[1:01:57] you had was on a Monday and you guys had your previous meeting on the Tuesday so

[1:02:02] I couldn't get in on that one. Um it was kind of a rush thing. Um we

[1:02:10] didn't have a whole lot of time to um like to do the 60 days.

[1:02:15] » Is this a an application here because it was cancelled somewhere else?

[1:02:20] » No. >> No, it's just a last minute thought.

[1:02:23] » Uh yeah. Um okay.

[1:02:29] No problem. >> Um thanks very much. Yeah. Thanks for

[1:02:32] thanks for coming in person. It's very helpful and um for for people to come as

[1:02:36] opposed to just in writing. Um so I appreciate that. Uh when you made a

[1:02:41] comment that you were at the or in Orangeville 15 or 16 years ago, was it

[1:02:44] at this at this facility that is in Mono or was it a

[1:02:48] » No, no, it was No, it was there at the fairgrounds. So, it was there at the

[1:02:50] fairgrounds, >> but there was no I mean, we didn't

[1:02:54] require a noise bylaw or uh >> Well, no, we actually had a noise bylaw

[1:02:58] that said you couldn't make any noise after 5:00 p.m. So, there was a noise

[1:03:01] bylaw. And the the whole reason why we redid it was because it wasn't being it

[1:03:04] wasn't being respected or whatever. >> Ours was at that time indoors

[1:03:08] » cuz that was 200 from 2004, that old bylaw. Anyway, it was here at this in in

[1:03:14] this town that you were here before. >> Yes. And

[1:03:17] » and like I said, the ones that we did at that time were held indoors.

[1:03:21] » Indoors. >> Yes.

[1:03:22] » Right. But you had the windows open and things make noise anyway. So, but but

[1:03:25] what may I ask why you stopped going to Orangeville?

[1:03:29] » Like why the 15-year gap before between >> Well, I've always uh I've held them

[1:03:34] other other places. Uh too since co um I've had health issues like I've uh had

[1:03:41] four bypasses and stuff like that. So, um I only really started back up last

[1:03:48] year and >> Oh, I see. Oh, okay.

[1:03:51] » So, and I did one in Orange, um Cambridge. Um this year I held one in

[1:03:57] Milton earlier in the year. >> Okay.

[1:04:00] » So, I'm like I'm not doing a whole lot. I only do like one or two a year. That's

[1:04:05] all I do. >> So, and the reason to do them in

[1:04:08] different locations is because it in it that the community comes from different

[1:04:13] places. It's the community um location like the the grounds that you know that

[1:04:19] a lot you know that we can have the grounds to use this for what we do. Um

[1:04:25] and um yeah basically location. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:04:30] » Okay. Mr. Press, uh do you have an agreement with the uh Orangeville

[1:04:35] Fairboard? Do you have a a contract? >> Yes. I don't have one with me, but

[1:04:40] » are they requiring that you get a noise exemption from us in order for the event

[1:04:44] to proceed? >> Yes.

[1:04:46] » Okay. So, I think that should be clearly on the record that uh uh that's their

[1:04:51] insistence. Um we we are not in a position to say no to the event. All

[1:04:58] we're considering here today is a request to exempt you from provisions of

[1:05:02] the noise bylaw. >> Yes.

[1:05:04] » So, we're not we're not shutting down the event. It is like it's on their

[1:05:10] » they require us to get one. Okay. >> Uh so Elaine and then Fred.

[1:05:17] » Thank you Marin. Notwithstanding that uh we have

[1:05:23] in other situations people provide us with the OSPCA

[1:05:29] letter of sanctioning the event. Do you have such a letter from the OSPCA or

[1:05:35] have you ever had to provide a letter that sanctions your event for the the

[1:05:40] treatment of the animals etc? >> I'm not quite understanding the

[1:05:45] question, but like I mean I got a letter uh from the fairgrounds that I uploaded.

[1:05:51] » No, not the fairgrounds, the animal safety people, the OSPCA.

[1:05:55] » Elaine, just to just to put things in context. Yeah. Uh but but nothing hinges

[1:06:01] on this because um that's not part of the application. Yeah. Uh no

[1:06:08] » OSPCA. I mean they'll never give you a letter for any rodeo of any sort. So

[1:06:12] that answers your question. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:06:16] » Thank you, Fred. I just want to understand the mayor's question. You're

[1:06:19] saying you have a contract and if you don't get a noise exemption from us,

[1:06:25] then you can't run the affair. or is that is that the effect of your

[1:06:28] contract? >> Um,

[1:06:33] I'm not sure for that question. >> Well, your contract says you must get a

[1:06:38] noise exemption from us because >> you must apply for a noise exemption.

[1:06:41] Yes. >> To to follow up on what the mayor said,

[1:06:44] we're only regulating noise. >> Yeah.

[1:06:46] » Not the activity. But I want to understand something. If we

[1:06:50] » Well, that's the we have to regulate noise and say you don't get an

[1:06:52] exemption, then it seems to me indirectly we're regulating the

[1:06:56] activity. >> Well, you can run it without noise.

[1:06:59] » What? >> Or you can run it without noise?

[1:07:02] » No. The contract says he must get the exemption from us to run the affair. As

[1:07:06] I understand what the >> It's not I must get it. I must apply for

[1:07:09] one. >> Well, you must apply for one.

[1:07:12] » I must apply for one. Okay. >> Doesn't matter if you get it.

[1:07:15] » Apply. >> Yeah. We've had instances in the past

[1:07:18] where that's not been very clear and it sounds like you must get the exemption

[1:07:23] or else the event can't occur. >> Okay.

[1:07:25] » And if all it says you must apply for one, I'm hoping that they will will

[1:07:31] honor the contract is signed. >> Yeah.

[1:07:36] » Well, we'll see. >> Have to vote.

[1:07:38] » We'll see. Um

[1:07:43] » Okay. Are members of council uh wishing to say

[1:07:47] anything more um before we have a vote? >> Yes.

[1:07:51] » Sorry, just a question. Has the application fee been received?

[1:07:57] » Uh yes, we have received the fee. Uh councelor Capes,

[1:08:01] » thank you. >> Okay.

[1:08:06] So, um I'll go first. I I just want to indicate Mr. Borges that uh my position

[1:08:13] uh is consistently that uh um a noise exemption request is actually um a

[1:08:20] request for a permit to make noise. Okay. And uh I've got a I've got a

[1:08:25] problem with that. And I think that events can occur uh that do not um uh

[1:08:31] intrude upon uh the neighborhood. Um, I don't know if this is one of them, but I

[1:08:36] think that it is it is possible that things can occur outdoors at the event

[1:08:40] center uh that do not need uh a noise permit uh as I call it. Uh the other

[1:08:47] concern I have is the uh the short notice on this um one of the provisions

[1:08:51] of applying for um an exemption or permit uh is that the neighborhood be

[1:08:57] circulated. And I don't I I would rather suspect

[1:09:02] that the neighborhood has not been circulated with

[1:09:05] » we've uh put it on the Mono Orangeville Mono Community Center uh Facebook page.

[1:09:12] Okay. >> Um

[1:09:15] been two weeks, I guess, or >> I appreciate that. I I don't know that

[1:09:19] that's what the uh what the bylaw um intends, but uh thank you for for doing

[1:09:25] that. >> Any other comments from council?

[1:09:29] Uh Elaine, >> I just want to go back to the timing. Um

[1:09:33] in our bylaw, it states certain noises can't occur from 10 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.

[1:09:38] And so 1000 p.m. uh seems to be a number that's been

[1:09:44] defined as uh you can't make noise after 10 p.m. And I

[1:09:50] know it says you can't make noise at all.

[1:09:52] » Mhm. >> I agree with that. But um

[1:09:55] » disturbing noise. >> Yeah. All noise is disturbing to

[1:09:59] somebody. Anyway, I just um don't know if we can

[1:10:04] » I mean, if we were holding concert there or something, I could see that how

[1:10:08] that's like extravagantly loud. >> Our announcer at our shows like it's

[1:10:13] just an announcer. It's >> um even if we do play some music, it's

[1:10:17] just interesting the people for that are stand, you know, like in in between

[1:10:22] people doing stuff there in the grand stands. It's always down low enough that

[1:10:27] I'm pretty sure it hardly ever leaves those it won't leave the grounds.

[1:10:31] » But as you said yourself, sorry, go ahead.

[1:10:34] » And um you know um I've been there and seen it. Um like our announcer and like

[1:10:41] say the speakers, we'll put them facing the gravel pit, which works for us. It's

[1:10:46] not going to be going towards the residential areas or anything like that.

[1:10:51] and uh the level of noise that's there, it won't make it to anybody's backyard.

[1:10:56] » Mhm. And and just to go back to something you said earlier, you said

[1:11:00] like the whole rodeo part is finished by 9:30. So

[1:11:04] » yeah, >> what happen there's no afterparty or

[1:11:07] anything like that if that's what you're asking?

[1:11:10] » No. So it's just it's it's done then people leave and you close up and take

[1:11:14] your stuff out. So

[1:11:17] there's really no requirement for 11 p.m.

[1:11:22] » No, I like I said, I use that number as >> Okay.

[1:11:26] » So >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:11:27] » So I have a a prepared motion. I'll read and and of course council is welcome to

[1:11:32] uh move any amendments to it. uh that we approve the issuance of a noise

[1:11:36] exemption permit pursuant to bylaw 2026-8

[1:11:40] noise bylaw to uh Joe Boures to hold a Portuguese-style uh rodeo uh on August

[1:11:47] 29th, 2026 at the Orangeville Agricultural Society Fairgrounds and

[1:11:52] that the permit shall be uh conditional to all terms uh detailed in the permit,

[1:11:58] including but not limited to number one, use of ampl amplified sounds between the

[1:12:03] hours of uh 12 and 2300. Uh two, uh provide the town with a phone

[1:12:09] number for uh the on-site event organizer who will be responsible to

[1:12:14] make any adjustments to sound levels as directed by Mono's bylaw enforcement

[1:12:19] officer. And uh finally, that the uh $500 application fee be waved. Are there

[1:12:26] any emotions to amend that, Fred? I'd like to amend the uh clause saying that

[1:12:33] until 11:00 p.m. I think 9:00 p.m. is reasonable.

[1:12:40] » And looking at all our in looking at all the sort of restrictions in our bylaw,

[1:12:45] if you can't make certain noises between 10 and 7 in the morning, 10:00 p.m. and

[1:12:51] 7 in the morning. So, but I was just trying to be consistent as a delineated

[1:12:55] noise for purposes of it past 10:00. No, I know.

[1:12:59] » So, I I subject to what the rest of council says, I would amend it to 9:00

[1:13:04] p.m., I guess. >> Okay. Uh, do we have a a mover and a

[1:13:08] seconder? And do we have consent to >> friendly amendment not?

[1:13:14] » We need a mover and a seconder first and then I'll I'll start uh seeing whether

[1:13:18] or not it's friendly or not. So, councelor Capes moves seconded by

[1:13:24] Deputy Mayor. Uh now obviously deputy mayor's amendment is is consensual. Are

[1:13:31] you in agreement with that? >> I think it's 9 p.m.

[1:13:34] » 9 p.m. >> Okay.

[1:13:36] » Can we have a little a little bit discussion now that we seconded it

[1:13:40] please? Yeah. >> Um just just to

[1:13:43] » looking at the schedule that that is report that is attached to um our

[1:13:47] clerk's report. I just the the the surge in amount of Portuguese style

[1:13:55] rodeos we've been having in the town of Mono is bananas. We've got we've got if

[1:14:01] we grant you your or if you carry ahead doesn't matter whether we grant it or

[1:14:04] not. If you go ahead with yours on the 29th that's three weeks in a row there's

[1:14:08] Portuguese uh rodeos going on. Are you guys not

[1:14:11] working together when you say it's the final finals of your

[1:14:15] » We work some Yeah, we individual and and some of us and then we get together with

[1:14:20] you know some of these are we're involved with each other. Yes.

[1:14:23] » Well, like if you're doing your finals, what's the finals for what?

[1:14:27] » Like isn't it a isn't it a contest? Isn't there isn't there some sort of

[1:14:30] contest to element? >> It's a little bit of a contest. Yeah.

[1:14:33] But it's like each one kind of does their own uh on on

[1:14:40] their own on on their own. >> So it's really just a party or

[1:14:43] entertainment. It's really just an entertainment.

[1:14:45] » It's an entertainment. Yeah. It could be if you that's how you want to call it.

[1:14:49] » But because the name the organizer names are different that the three in a row

[1:14:53] and there are three different people. >> Yeah.

[1:14:56] » That are responsible like Yeah. Yeah. It's each one's individually. Yes.

[1:15:00] » All right. Thanks for that clarification.

[1:15:03] Yeah, I this is a real difficult one for me because I I agree with councelor

[1:15:07] Davyy. I mean, every weekend we have some event that causes some noise for

[1:15:10] some number of hours. However, in this case, given the lateness of the

[1:15:14] application and the fact that he's already got it organized, I'm prepared

[1:15:18] to vote yes on the motion on the floor, but I do so with this qualification that

[1:15:23] if I'm still here after the next election, I'm hoping we can introduce a

[1:15:27] bylaw that prohibits Portuguese both Portuguese rodeos in the town of Mono,

[1:15:33] just as we did with the kite flying thing. We passed a bylaw that prohibits

[1:15:38] that. I I I know we're not supposed to be talking about the activity you're

[1:15:42] running. We're only supposed to be talking about noise, but I have a

[1:15:45] concern with Portuguese bull fighting and I and so I will vote yes today, but

[1:15:50] I am hoping to introduce a motion that >> no no no campaigning now.

[1:15:53] » Okay, I think he's over over the top there.

[1:15:58] I think >> Elaine and then

[1:16:01] » sir the the other amendment I would like to make is we're not waving the fee

[1:16:06] » because it's already paid. >> If council approves the uh the motion as

[1:16:14] presented wave the fee I will return the fee to the organizer.

[1:16:19] So I suppose the technically it's not waving well it's waving but it's already

[1:16:23] been paid so I'll just return it. has fees,

[1:16:27] » but I insisted that it be paid in advance. Thanks for that clarification

[1:16:30] that I I still would like to not wave the fee. So, I can't vote for the motion

[1:16:34] the way it is. >> Well, that's not a friend. It's

[1:16:37] » your It's your motion. Uh, councelor Capes. So, the mover and seconder can

[1:16:43] change their own motion any way they wish.

[1:16:47] » As the secondary, I don't agree with that change.

[1:16:50] » Okay. So, I'll call a I'll call a separate vote on the waving of the fee

[1:16:55] in advance of a motion the the overall motion

[1:17:00] » if we're agreeable to >> if you can do that.

[1:17:02] » Absolutely. >> Well, the your worship this motion

[1:17:05] includes the the line that the fees be waved. So, it's unless

[1:17:10] » unless either it's removed by the mover and seconder or someone moves an

[1:17:15] amending motion. >> That's right. I would be calling for an

[1:17:18] amending motion >> which would be called before this

[1:17:21] motion. >> Correct.

[1:17:22] » Okay. >> Correct. That would be my intention.

[1:17:24] » Okay. How about I provide you with an amending motion that says that

[1:17:28] » No, I can't do that. >> Sure. Technically, you could. Or Yes.

[1:17:34] Yes. >> I You need a second though.

[1:17:37] » Well, she has to call first. >> So, sorry, but I would like to call for

[1:17:42] an amendment that we do not wave the fee. Okay. That's what I move. That's my

[1:17:47] motion. >> You were just because it's starting to

[1:17:50] get hard to follow. So, councelor Capes, your motion is that we strike out from

[1:17:56] the main motion, the clause, and that we wave the $500 application fee.

[1:18:02] » Exactly what I meant to say. Thank you, Fred.

[1:18:04] » And we vote on that first. >> Do we have a seconder for that?

[1:18:09] » Yes. So that I can say something. >> Okay. So, that move is seconded.

[1:18:13] Discussion. So the disc the discussion is just a general thing not about you

[1:18:18] particularly but a general thing for the public. We have spent an inordinate

[1:18:21] amount of time on this noise bylaw. We really felt that we had something now

[1:18:24] that we've put it into practicality in this this summer we have found that

[1:18:28] there are some shortcomings to it and one of the big shortcomings is that we

[1:18:32] have set these fees. We've spent not that we're getting paid for it but our

[1:18:37] staff is getting paid for this time. So so we do need to collect fees. money is

[1:18:42] being spent in an effort to debate all these things and and have people come

[1:18:46] and so on. it there is a cost to it and so far we have I I believe my my memory

[1:18:52] is that we've waved everybody and so you you kind of you kind of have to stick

[1:18:57] with what you're doing right I but I think on principle the if we're going to

[1:19:02] have a bylaw and we're going to have things rules then we shouldn't be waving

[1:19:06] fees I don't care how much money you're in need of or anything if you're coming

[1:19:10] to me asking for something and you knew that it there was a fee then you need to

[1:19:14] pay it >> but um correct me if I'm wrong. You're

[1:19:17] the mover of the motion to wave the fee. The seconder, you're the seconder to

[1:19:22] wave the fee. >> I seconded a motion in effort to have

[1:19:25] some discussion. But what but what we're wanting to do is strike waving the fee

[1:19:32] out of the motion. That's what this is. So that there is a fee to be paid.

[1:19:38] » Okay. >> Right.

[1:19:40] My only comment is yes, Councelor Davyy is correct. Except the principle we've

[1:19:44] followed is for people who've made the application before our new by noise

[1:19:48] bylaw was passed, we have consistently waved the fee because they didn't know

[1:19:52] it when they made the application. So I will be voting against this amendment.

[1:19:56] » Okay. Any further discussion? >> Yeah, you've taken the words right out

[1:20:00] of my mouth, Fred. Um that's the only reason for waving the fee here is and

[1:20:04] that doesn't apply to this case, >> Melinda.

[1:20:06] » Right. >> Right. So the motion on the floor right

[1:20:10] now is that a fe a fee should be paid. >> No, the office

[1:20:18] the opposite. >> The the mo

[1:20:22] the motion that you have on the table is that we're going to wave the fee

[1:20:27] » or return in the return it. motion that you have put on is that that fee should

[1:20:33] not be waved and it should be paid that and we have to and Fred said we have to

[1:20:38] vote on that new motion from Elaine that I seconded. We have to vote on that

[1:20:43] first before we vote on yours because yours says wave and we couldn't get the

[1:20:47] seconder to make the guy pay the fee. That's like

[1:20:50] » okay, >> Mr. Bes, thank you for your patience,

[1:20:55] » right? >> You just got to do things proper.

[1:20:58] » Okay. So, to be clear, we have a motion on the floor moved by uh Elaine,

[1:21:03] seconded by Melinda uh to uh uh to to not wave the fee or to return the fee.

[1:21:13] So, that's what we're voting on first. >> Your or needs a comma. I need to have

[1:21:17] that written. It's just to not return the fee

[1:21:20] » is to strike that clause from the main motion, which is effectively what you

[1:21:25] said. Fred gave it to us in perfect words that I would have used as well.

[1:21:29] » Okay, Fred, do you have a a a better way of expressing it than I did?

[1:21:34] » Uh, so the amending motion on the floor is to strike out from the main motion

[1:21:39] the clause and that the $500 application fee be waved. So if that carries, then

[1:21:47] the main motion will no longer include the clause to wave the fee. Ergo, the

[1:21:53] town will not refund the fee. If the amending motion passes.

[1:21:58] » Okay. If it passes, >> right, that's right. You're

[1:22:01] understanding that. Okay. You want to call the question on the amending?

[1:22:03] » I'm going to call the question. All those in favor of the amendment,

[1:22:10] » those opposed. And that motion is carried. And on the

[1:22:15] main motion, uh, minus the, um, the, u$500 application fee be waved. So,

[1:22:23] and your worship also that the main motion had been uh amended by the mover

[1:22:29] » to 9 p.m. >> to read. Yeah. 9:00 p.m. or 2100.

[1:22:32] » Yeah. 2100. Okay. Let's be consistent. We'll put 2100.

[1:22:38] Okay.

[1:22:41] So, all those in favor of the main motion,

[1:22:45] those opposed to the main motion. And that motion is carried.

[1:22:50] » Thank you. Did you follow what we were all doing?

[1:22:54] » You got You've got your exemption. I got my exemption and I'm paying $500.

[1:22:58] » But you didn't Yeah, you didn't get your $500. Sorry.

[1:23:01] » But people >> It's the fee. But people can still

[1:23:05] complain if if the fee if the terms of the of the of the waving if the terms of

[1:23:11] the >> uh I I read up on it and yeah if it was

[1:23:15] something that was planned pre >> the bylaw being made

[1:23:20] » that you guys would accept uh would uh not uh charge the fee

[1:23:25] » right not the case >> and and to be and to be clear simply

[1:23:29] because we >> your bylaw was done in February so

[1:23:32] » to be clear simply simply because we've passed an exemption or as I would say a

[1:23:36] permit uh to make noise does not preclude any resident in the town of

[1:23:42] Mono uh who is agrieved by what they perceive to be noise from telling us

[1:23:48] about it. We need to get feedback from the neighborhood.

[1:23:51] » Exactly. >> Okay.

[1:23:52] » Calling by. >> Yeah.

[1:23:54] » Well, they don't call directly. >> And so another question was there or

[1:23:57] another thing you guys mentioned was who was in charge there. So, it'll be me and

[1:24:01] my phone number that's on the application. So,

[1:24:05] » uh there's no change in that. >> Okay. Great. Thank you very much.

[1:24:09] » Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh the next uh next item up

[1:24:13] is the um noise extension permit to uh uh Francisco Ramos if you'd like to come

[1:24:21] forward on behalf of >> And this is the this is the one where

[1:24:26] you had a cancellation and you're looking at a new date.

[1:24:29] » Yeah. So, we weren't able to perform our full event. Um, actually, it's the

[1:24:33] second event that happened this past weekend. We got rained out as well. So,

[1:24:36] we just haven't had any luck, unfortunately, with the weatherwise. Um,

[1:24:40] July 18th, we performed an event, not to our full terms, unfortunately. Um, same

[1:24:45] as this past weekend, August 22nd, the first one on July 18th, we had a haze

[1:24:50] alert with the fire hazards that occurred uh within Ontario. So the um

[1:24:56] air quality was unconditional for animals and people

[1:25:01] um and it did also thunder and rain. The second uh run that we just had on

[1:25:07] Saturday, unfortunately we were rained out. Uh we weren't able to perform a

[1:25:11] full event again. So in terms of that um we need basically to redem ourselves

[1:25:18] from our losses for those two runs. Uh so we are requesting for September 26th.

[1:25:26] » Okay. Let me just read the the motion uh that we amend the noise exemption permit

[1:25:32] issued to Francisco Romos uh and uh and and approved by council on April 28th,

[1:25:38] 2026 by adding September 26 uh 2026 as the permitted event date. All other

[1:25:46] terms and conditions of the permit are unchanged. Do I have a mover for that?

[1:25:50] Uh, deputy mayor moves seconded by Do I have a seconder? Councelor Capes.

[1:25:58] Uh, questions or comments of councel? Um, Ralph and then Melinda and then

[1:26:05] Elaine. >> Um, you commented about the meeting on

[1:26:09] the 18th being cancelled because of weather. Is that correct?

[1:26:14] » So, it wasn't fully canceled. We showed up because we still paid our um rental

[1:26:18] fee for the facility grounds and everything. We showed up, we set up and

[1:26:22] everything. We just couldn't perform our full event. Uh so halfway through we we

[1:26:27] shut down. >> So we had a comment from a resident that

[1:26:30] the event to some extent carried on. So is that correct? You had

[1:26:34] » it carried on to some extent and then we closed down. We didn't perform our full

[1:26:37] event. >> Okay. Thank

[1:26:41] Elaine. Well, that's that's what I was going to

[1:26:44] clarify. And and this p when you say you also got rained out on on the on the

[1:26:49] weekend here, you didn't even come to to do it or you started and set up and then

[1:26:54] and had to. So, that's not really the same as as having something cancelled.

[1:26:58] » No, I didn't put cancel. I don't believe I put cancellation fee. I put that we

[1:27:02] couldn't perform our full event. >> Right. So, Right. So, I just kind of as

[1:27:06] I say, we've and again, this isn't necessarily what you're asking for now.

[1:27:10] I'm not the guy that that licenses things that happen at the at the fair,

[1:27:14] but it seems to me that we got a whole bunch of of rodeos going on and maybe we

[1:27:18] should, you know, spice it up with some other events. Um, and that, you know,

[1:27:22] you've had a good season in that you've had a couple of you've had a couple

[1:27:25] already, but >> um,

[1:27:28] » we had one full event and then the two kind of fallouts with the weather.

[1:27:32] Unfortunately, we can't. >> With respect to the noise, are you aware

[1:27:35] of that? Was there any I mean before you got rained out, were there any Were

[1:27:39] there any problems or concerns? >> Um I asked the facility coordinator if

[1:27:44] everything went well and if there was any complaints. She told me no. So Okay.

[1:27:48] » Uh we haven't received any complaints to our ears.

[1:27:51] » Okay, great. Thank you. >> I just need some clarification if you

[1:27:56] don't mind. Uh, so

[1:28:00] you had an approved rodeo for July 11th. >> No. So we had So we had four original

[1:28:10] dates. May 30th, July 18th, August 22nd, and October 10th.

[1:28:17] » July 18th, and August 22nd, we were uh weathered out.

[1:28:23] » Okay. Somewhere I read uh July 11th was the rain out.

[1:28:29] » No, that was in our event. >> Okay. So July 18th was rained out.

[1:28:33] » July 18th and August 22nd. Yep. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:28:41] Any other questions or comments? Sorry that we can't control the weather.

[1:28:46] I know it's an unfortunate weather event, but um we got to pull through and

[1:28:51] we got to do our best to make it happen. >> Thank you. And again, you you you heard

[1:28:55] my my concerns uh u in supporting these kind of applications, but other

[1:29:00] counselors may take a different view. >> Okay.

[1:29:03] » Okay. Shall I call the question? >> Yes.

[1:29:05] » Uh all those in favor of the motion uh before us,

[1:29:10] » those opposed, motion is lost. That does not preclude

[1:29:15] you from proceeding, but uh you will not have a noise exemption bylaw.

[1:29:20] » Okay. >> Or noise exemption to the bylaw.

[1:29:24] » Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[1:29:27] » Thank you.

[1:29:31] » Okay. Let's have a uh 10 minutes. >> If you break,

[1:29:34] » I would just like to say that we've had so many of these and you set up the

[1:29:41] other two. They didn't completely run but the residents have been compoundedly

[1:29:49] exposed to many events and this is another sort of add-on to getting

[1:29:56] towards you know the end of the season and um so it's nothing personal. Okay.

[1:30:03] » Yeah. We just thought >> you would try

[1:30:06] » and we're trying to redeem ourselves and put our gains back because we don't Can

[1:30:12] you put your microphone on while you're speaking?

[1:30:14] » Yes. >> Yeah. Is it all good now? Okay. So, we

[1:30:18] just figured that we would replace those two dates with the 26th because we do

[1:30:22] still have to pay for these events that occur even if we're rained out or not.

[1:30:26] » Um, so we were just trying to redem our costs. Yeah. And again, I think in

[1:30:32] fairness, I need to ask the question. Um, is there any indication from the uh

[1:30:37] uh the um um event center that uh uh you have a contract?

[1:30:44] » So, we had a contract. Well, I signed a document for four runs for this year

[1:30:49] specifically. >> Um it was a request to apply for a noise

[1:30:54] permit. >> Okay. Um that's the fair grounds request

[1:30:58] on when we get the paperwork. >> Okay. Thank you. We we just want that on

[1:31:02] the record. Thank you. >> Yes. No problem.

[1:31:05] » Yes. >> So these these events which got started

[1:31:08] and run were ranked out were you not able to charge attendance fees to the

[1:31:14] people who came? >> So we did unfortunately our numbers

[1:31:17] didn't uh meet quota. So we only yeah like the first run we did really well.

[1:31:24] Uh we reached 315 people. The second and third run we just hit under 100.

[1:31:31] » Do you do people pay per run? >> There is an entry fee of $20.

[1:31:35] » I see. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you again. We're going to have a

[1:31:40] 10-minute recess. >> So I think we should rename our

[1:44:23] again. Uh the next item on the agenda is the um the report and motion with regard

[1:44:30] to the six line uh unopened road allowance and deputy mayor Nicks has

[1:44:35] declared an interest and is leaving the council

[1:44:38] » indirect indirect conflict of interest. Thank

[1:44:41] » you. >> Uh excuse me, Deputy Mayor Nicks, could

[1:44:43] you for the record just state what the uh the conflict is? The indirect

[1:44:48] conflict is that I am a member of the Bruce Trail and part of this sale of the

[1:44:51] UN open road allowances to the Bruce Trail.

[1:44:56] » Thank you. So, I'm going to read the motion and then we'll we'll have the

[1:45:00] questions and discussion. uh that we received the report of the clerk titled

[1:45:04] closed six line EHS uh unopen road allowance dated uh August the 14th, 2026

[1:45:12] and that we introduce and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to

[1:45:15] permanently close uh the unopen road allowance um between concessions 6 and 7

[1:45:21] EHS at lot 7 and 8 that it be signed by the mayor and clerk for the town of Mono

[1:45:26] sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Um,

[1:45:31] councelor Capes moves seconded by councelor Davyy. Uh, questions,

[1:45:36] discussion.

[1:45:39] Ralph. >> Um, I uh am a little fuzzy on all the

[1:45:44] details here. So, I just would like to uh clarify with the clerk uh what

[1:45:50] exactly is happening. My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that

[1:45:55] we are selling parts 1 2 3 4 and five. And we're selling a part pin which ends

[1:46:01] in 011. And the other part of it is that we are

[1:46:06] not uh um charging the Bruce Trail for the portion that the portion of the

[1:46:13] Bruce Trail is purchasing which I think is part one and that the sale to the

[1:46:20] others is going to be by negotiation with the town

[1:46:24] » and that negotiation is all >> that's almost I'm sorry your worship. Go

[1:46:28] ahead. Um, with the exception that the Bruce Trail um is paying for the portion

[1:46:34] that they're going to acquire, it uh uh staff had made a recommendation

[1:46:39] previously or not made a recommendation um had passed along the request from the

[1:46:46] Bruce Trail that they not have to pay and uh council indicated that uh they

[1:46:51] were to um pay a proportionate amount for the amount that they were going to

[1:46:56] acquire which they've agreed agreed to um all parties. Uh we have a verbal

[1:47:02] agreement. Um it'll go to lawyers to be written up and finalized, but the last

[1:47:08] administrative step prior to that is to legally close the road. And that's the

[1:47:14] step we're at now. And and my additional thing,

[1:47:20] thanks for that clarification, is that you have a negotiated a a number comes

[1:47:24] to I think 45,000 you have indicated and that we're going to agree to that.

[1:47:32] » Uh I've indicated it for so that council's aware, but council gave staff

[1:47:37] the authority to negotiate the price and I've indicated what we've negotiated.

[1:47:43] Fine. >> So, at this point, we're seeking

[1:47:46] council's uh approval to close the road. >> So, so essentially, as I indicated,

[1:47:53] except for the Bruce Trail. So, thank you for the clarification.

[1:47:58] » What do you mean? >> Well, he um councelor Magdalo indicated

[1:48:02] that he thought that we were giving the land to the Bruce Trail when in fact we

[1:48:06] are going to receive >> payment for it.

[1:48:08] » I didn't understand his last. >> Sorry, microphone.

[1:48:12] microphone, please. >> My last my last comment was that um the

[1:48:16] indic what I'd indicated as being the conditions of this uh movement was

[1:48:22] agreed to essentially by the clerk. >> Yeah.

[1:48:28] Yeah. So, so this we've talked about this a number of times now. We we talked

[1:48:32] about it um recently where we went over again what exactly the pieces pieces

[1:48:38] were where we gave we gave permission for them to for the the staff to take

[1:48:44] over as the staff should be. It's not a council position um to to do the

[1:48:49] negotiating for the sale. it is our it is our job to deem it deem it um surplus

[1:48:55] and then now that it's been deemed surplus and there's been negotiations

[1:48:58] it's our it's our job to to close it but that's that's all

[1:49:06] » yeah and as I understand it once you've deemed something surplus there are

[1:49:10] different ways of disposing of that land one of which is negotiation and and

[1:49:16] council did in fact instruct staff to negotiate

[1:49:19] as opposed to um you know real estate listings and and that kind of thing.

[1:49:26] Yeah. Okay. Any further questions or comments on the uh recommendation? I've

[1:49:30] read the motion. >> Any opposed to the motion? And that

[1:49:34] motion is carried. >> Thank you, staff.

[1:49:36] » And if we can uh get uh deputy mayor back.

[1:49:44] Next uh item on the agenda is the EV charging station renewal.

[1:49:50] And who on staff would like to uh address that?

[1:49:55] Uh I wrote the uh report your worship. So this is uh basically carrying on with

[1:50:01] the same uh agreement under the same terms that the council has had for the

[1:50:07] two stations uh at this building. uh with the exception that the

[1:50:11] reimbursement for the electricity costs that we bear has increased slightly but

[1:50:17] they are sufficient to cover our costs for that we pay for electricity.

[1:50:21] » Okay. I don't appear to have a motion on that. Am I missing something?

[1:50:26] » Uh I can read what there is a prepared motion but I can read it out if you

[1:50:30] don't have it in front. >> Okay. that we introduce and give the

[1:50:34] necessary readings to a bylaw authorizing the town of Mono to enter

[1:50:39] into a memorandum of understanding with the county of Duffren for the operation

[1:50:44] and maintenance of electric vehicle charging stations substantially in the

[1:50:49] form is attached as schedule A to the bylaw and that it be signed by the mayor

[1:50:53] and the clerk for the town of Mono sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book.

[1:50:57] » Thank you. And I did find it and that's what the the motion says. Yes, moved.

[1:51:00] Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by councelor Davey.

[1:51:04] » Uh any uh any opposition? >> Oh.

[1:51:06] » Oh. Any questions? >> Yeah. Before we vote, we want to discuss

[1:51:09] right cuz this is with particularly with our new climate change action committee

[1:51:13] and all that things that have to do with electrical stuff is important. I I have

[1:51:18] a question. How come we are now doing this 9 months after the terms say that

[1:51:24] they're going to start discussions 6 months before the end of the term? Have

[1:51:28] we have did did that happen? Why why did it Yeah. So why did it take so long?

[1:51:38] » Staff had staff has been in communications with the county and I

[1:51:42] believe it just fell off their plate >> because it's a it's a uh whatever. I

[1:51:49] mean, it's just something that you might as well um do things on time and

[1:51:53] » like missing a water sample that you didn't have a calendar.

[1:51:57] » Oh, yeah. But it's a lot of it's a lot of months. It's it's a lot of months,

[1:52:01] right? >> It it fell off, I believe, the county's

[1:52:03] uh list and we poked them to get this agreeouou uh running again.

[1:52:09] » Thank you. Because I I would assume this is a county thing, then this would also

[1:52:12] be an county project to have the chargers at all the towns. I would

[1:52:17] imagine that all of the towns have been a little delayed in it all too, right?

[1:52:21] » I'm not 100% who entered intoUS with the county, but I think a lot of the lower

[1:52:26] tiers did at least for one station. We asked for Mono Center at the same time.

[1:52:30] You you may recall, but uh we've failed on that application twice now. MTO

[1:52:36] doesn't deem it to be what's the utilization like? Um that was what

[1:52:42] triggered the uh that question was what triggered the actual u finding out that

[1:52:47] theou was we were trying to get our uh um our heads wrapped around the

[1:52:53] utilization and that that I believe has has or will be provided very soon from

[1:53:01] the county. I don't think I don't think you're

[1:53:05] um I don't think you're going to fall over with the amount of ve they're not

[1:53:09] waiting in line to get out there. Um but there has been some weekend utilization

[1:53:13] we've seen. >> Um we see the odd 6:00 in the morning

[1:53:17] person out there. Uh but we don't see a lot of daytime use. Um um yeah. So,

[1:53:24] » okay. >> I was just going to say that they Oh,

[1:53:27] sorry. >> The the county has provided those

[1:53:29] figures about >> for for all of the charging stations

[1:53:33] about 6 months ago, but I off the top I can't remember them. They You're right.

[1:53:37] I don't think anyone would fall off their chair looking at the numbers, but

[1:53:40] they are being used. Yeah, I I firmly believe that there there's the community

[1:53:46] centers would probably be uh they would get utilized at the weddings and at the

[1:53:50] um but uh destination and wayfinding I think people are coming to Monocliffs

[1:53:56] with with a full charge and and and they're they're they're not uh but it is

[1:54:02] there it's a service provided and uh and it's pretty good. Well,

[1:54:07] » well, and also thank you very much, Mayor, because also in theou there it is

[1:54:11] it is a cost to the town, right? It's a it's it's nice that they give us the the

[1:54:15] couple of fractions of a cent back for whatever, but but the actual having to

[1:54:19] plow around it and make sure it's okay and and everything is is is a cost to

[1:54:23] our to our public works department, right?

[1:54:25] » We plow in the parking lot anyway. >> I know, but not delicately around

[1:54:29] something so that things could get there. You could just kind of plow a

[1:54:33] little differently if you didn't have a very expensive piece of equipment in the

[1:54:36] middle. >> Your question.

[1:54:38] » Okay. >> Okay.

[1:54:39] » We we moved a few signs to make it easier for us. They're at the out the

[1:54:43] outside of where they probably should be, but uh um it does fit a fullsize

[1:54:48] loader in there now, which is uh so people can get access to the uh the

[1:54:53] station, but there is there was a minimal impact to it.

[1:54:57] » Okay. >> Okay. Good. Thank you.

[1:54:58] » So, we have a motion on the floor. Is there any opposition to? Seeing none,

[1:55:03] motion passes. Then we get to uh this exotic thing called a joint compliance

[1:55:08] audit committee report. And I'll read the motion and then we'll have

[1:55:13] discussion. The council receives uh staff report joint compliance audit

[1:55:18] committee 2026 municipal and school board elections dated July 31st, 2026.

[1:55:25] And that council approves the establishment of a joint compliance

[1:55:28] audit committee for the 2026 to 2030 term and delegate authority to the clerk

[1:55:36] to appoint members in accordance with the approved terms of reference. And

[1:55:41] further that we introduce and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to

[1:55:44] establish a joint compliance audit committee that it be signed by the mayor

[1:55:48] and clerk for the town of Mono sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I

[1:55:52] have a mover for that? Deputy Mayor, seconded by Councelor Capes. Uh,

[1:55:57] questions and discussion. Who wants to go first?

[1:56:03] And has this ever been used? That's my question. Have we ever had to uh to use

[1:56:08] it? >> Jessica,

[1:56:10] » my understanding is that no, we the town of Mono has not had a request for a

[1:56:16] compliance audit and I'm not aware of any from the other participating

[1:56:19] municipalities either. >> Excuse me. Yes. Go ahead. In the last

[1:56:24] election, or was it two elections ago, we had one person who ran for the school

[1:56:28] board who did not file their financial statements and was banned from running

[1:56:33] for the next election. I I'm not going to name that person. So, somebody must

[1:56:36] have my assumption is that finding must have

[1:56:40] been done by an audit compliance committee, wasn't it, Fred?

[1:56:44] » I believe that was a school board that was administered by a different

[1:56:47] municipality. What

[1:56:52] do you mean this municipality? >> Yeah, school boards uh one municipality

[1:56:58] in each writing for a school board oversees it for all the municipalities

[1:57:03] within that writing. >> It's probably East GR

[1:57:07] » different school board. He's a very busy fellow.

[1:57:11] » Okay, a motion's on the floor. I'll call the vote. Any opposed? Seeing none, the

[1:57:16] motion carries. Closed meeting investigate investigator

[1:57:22] services. Um I'll read the motion. uh that council receives the closed meeting

[1:57:28] investigator services report dated July 31st, 2026 and that council directs

[1:57:33] staff to take take the necessary steps to transition the town's closed meeting

[1:57:39] investigator program to the Ontario OMBbudsman effective July January 1st

[1:57:44] 2027 upon expiry of the local uh L program. Do I have a mover for that?

[1:57:53] Uh, councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor Magalo. Questions, discussion.

[1:58:00] Has this ever been uh utilized, invoked, or otherwise relied

[1:58:06] upon? >> What the

[1:58:09] » Have we ever had a a closed meeting complaint, I guess, is what I'm I'm

[1:58:12] asking. >> Yes. Right.

[1:58:17] No, we've not had a closed meeting complaint in uh in my term of uh as

[1:58:22] clerk >> but if you read the ombbudsman report

[1:58:25] which is in schedule A that is kind of the thing that is a problem for the

[1:58:30] councils right the ombbudsman does a whole bunch of stuff and with respect to

[1:58:33] councils it's very often what's happened >> my question was specific to this council

[1:58:38] » right okay >> Fred

[1:58:40] » and I just want to clarify uh so when we were with LA the ombbudsman was not

[1:58:45] doing closed meeting investigations on the town of Mono, but they were still

[1:58:50] doing other types of investigations. >> Yeah.

[1:58:54] » Which is why Mono was included in their most recent report.

[1:58:59] » Okay. Thank you. Any other questions,

[1:59:02] comments? Any opposition? Motion carries. Next item on the agenda is the

[1:59:10] um >> Ontario Land

[1:59:13] » the Ontario Land Tribunal Appeal. And I'll put the motion on the floor that

[1:59:17] council receives staff report Ontario Land Tribunal Appeal 20 Medel Drive

[1:59:23] dated August 17th, 2026. Moved by Deputy Mayor, seconded by Councelor

[1:59:30] Magalo. Is there any discussion? I think this is just informing us that the

[1:59:34] matter is going to appeal.

[1:59:38] So, is it the wish of council to uh to support this?

[1:59:43] » And the motion is carried accordingly. >> Um,

[1:59:50] » we're just receiving. >> We're just receiving it. Yeah. Motion is

[1:59:53] to receive. >> So, the next motion has to do with

[1:59:57] ebikes. Now, read it and then we can have discussion. Whereas in Ontario,

[2:00:01] ebikes and e- scooters are regulated by provincial law under the Ontario Highway

[2:00:06] Traffic Act. Local municipalities have the final say on whether they are

[2:00:11] permitted on their public sidewalks, bike lanes or roads and public

[2:00:15] properties such as parks. And whereas ebikes and e scooters are becoming more

[2:00:20] popular and whereas uh there has been an increased number of deaths and injuries

[2:00:26] related to these forms of transportation. And whereas Mono has

[2:00:30] experienced damage to paved surfaces on our uh in our public parks with costs

[2:00:36] incurred by taxpayers for repair and whereas no municip

[2:00:41] municipalities in Duffren have opted uh into the provincial pilot program.

[2:00:46] Therefore, be it resolved that council hereby declare uh that the use of ebikes

[2:00:51] remains subject to the highway traffic act rules and e- scooters uh will be

[2:00:56] considered illegal for use on public roads, sidewalks, trails, parks within

[2:01:01] the town of Mooney and only permissible on private property. And you'd like to

[2:01:05] move that to councelor Cage? >> Yes, I'd like to move that. And I know

[2:01:08] that you have additional information about this through the OP. I'm I'm happy

[2:01:13] to second it and and open it up for discussion.

[2:01:16] » Right. Okay. >> Uh councelor Davy.

[2:01:21] » Thank you very much Elaine for bringing this forward. It's a hot topic everybody

[2:01:25] around. Um I'm not everybody around all the municipalities are being concerned

[2:01:30] about the problem with the motion that I see it is there's a discussion you you

[2:01:34] open up by ebikes and e- scooters and the the

[2:01:40] it damage that we had was by e ebikes not e

[2:01:45] scooters right like because the tires were so much bigger the tires on the e

[2:01:50] scooters are quite narrow versus that that pattern that we saw on the rubber

[2:01:56] at Island Lake Park. Was Island Lake Park. Was Island Lake Park. So, at any

[2:02:00] rate, there >> we have proof of that.

[2:02:02] » Well, we saw the pictures and if you see the equipment, but anyway, never mind. I

[2:02:06] digress. What what what what what really what really is is that that the

[2:02:11] education, I think, is what we need as opposed to just a motion that says

[2:02:15] banning because they already are not allowed. You can't you can't be on one

[2:02:19] of these things if you're under 16. You have to be on on a helmet. They're not

[2:02:23] allowed on the on the roads. They just the the opting program.

[2:02:29] Um what did what did you call it? The the pilot program. The pilot program is

[2:02:33] to override the illegalness of them and say you can have them. So it's kind of

[2:02:39] not necessary for us to ban them, but I actually really believe that it's

[2:02:43] necessary for us to get um education out there. education that that these are

[2:02:48] illegal, that parents shouldn't be buying from for their kids, their kids

[2:02:51] shouldn't be riding them, and they're very dangerous, and that you will be

[2:02:54] fined by the by the police, which who have got a because of there's been some

[2:02:59] deaths, they've got a a um a mandate and and an interest to be doing something,

[2:03:05] but we also know they have a mandate and interest to stop speeding on airport

[2:03:08] road and do all these like there's just so much. So, I'm wondering is there

[2:03:12] something that we could some brainstorming adding that we could in

[2:03:16] some way as opposed to just making this statement and saying we're banning it to

[2:03:20] somehow increase education in our community to keep our people safe?

[2:03:24] » I I can speak to that and then I'll recognize Ralph. Um the the OP is going

[2:03:30] to launch a public education uh program around this and we have a um a police

[2:03:36] services board meeting tomorrow that I'll be attending. uh and the topic is

[2:03:40] on their agenda. So the public education uh is in fact occurring. Uh I think as

[2:03:46] well it's it's occurring because of of a motion like this that reminds everybody

[2:03:52] that we are not part of the uh pilot program that provisions of the highway

[2:03:56] traffic act still apply even if we were part of the pilot program. You're

[2:04:01] correct in that regard. Uh and um this is in response to uh many phone calls

[2:04:08] that um we we've all probably received uh of the uh reckless use of these

[2:04:14] devices and and it's occurring in our subdivisions, it's occurring u

[2:04:18] elsewhere. Um, and you know, whether or not the culprit in the case of the uh of

[2:04:25] the the park was one of these devices, I think we're sending a signal to the

[2:04:29] public that this is this is just not on and there are many municipalities that

[2:04:33] opted into the pilot program that wish they hadn't. Um, Ralph and then Melinda.

[2:04:38] Yeah. >> Yeah.

[2:04:39] » Yeah. Um, did you want to follow up on >> Well, just Yeah, just the the the

[2:04:45] clarification between e scooters, they're definitely they're all illegal.

[2:04:48] They're selling them at Costco. You who knows why people sell the stuff they do,

[2:04:52] but you they're illegal. But the ebike situation is it's nuanced. So the the

[2:04:58] motorcycle the mo the dirt bikes and so on that are that have the have the power

[2:05:04] in their in their motor with a throttle to be able to burn rubber like you're

[2:05:10] doing in your car when you pull donuts or whatever or when you muck up our new

[2:05:14] thing. Those are a different entity than just ebikes in general which are pedal

[2:05:20] assisted and you're only ever going to get the amount of energy out of it that

[2:05:24] I mean some they're throttle not thrott throttle is not the right word. They're

[2:05:27] they're held back to be not not able to go as fast. They don't have as much

[2:05:31] oomph in their motor and in order to get the oomph to go you have have to put

[2:05:35] your physical as opposed to just turning a throttle like a motorcycle. So, I

[2:05:39] would like a little bit more clarification in here because I don't

[2:05:43] want we have we have terrific trails that in our in our community that we

[2:05:48] maintain that we do like bicyclists to use and nowadays e ebikes are eassed

[2:05:56] bikes are not banned. They are allowed. They are encouraged. It's it it's here

[2:06:03] to stay. But these other ones, they're illegal.

[2:06:07] Would would it would it assist if we we modified the the wording to say e

[2:06:13] devices? >> Say to say what?

[2:06:15] » E devices. >> No, it's confusing.

[2:06:17] » Okay, Ralph, go ahead and then Fred. >> So, couple of comments and a suggestion.

[2:06:23] Um I agree with you. Um >> Mike, couple of comments and a

[2:06:28] suggestion. I agree with you, Melinda. Um I I doubt that ebikes could you can

[2:06:33] burn rubber with them. I have one. I'm not an expert in them, but you certainly

[2:06:37] need to uh pedal uh in order to get the assistance to work. And it's really hard

[2:06:42] to burn rubber. I think it's must have been something something else that was

[2:06:46] in our damaging our tennis court. The I think your purpose here is to u bring uh

[2:06:53] this issue this issue of uh scooters uh into the public understanding. Um they

[2:07:00] already are banned. They're not allowed. that's part of the highway act and

[2:07:05] they're banned unless we enter a pilot project which we're not. So this this um

[2:07:11] uh statement that they'll be considered illegal. I don't quite think we got to

[2:07:16] do that because they are illegal. Maybe what you'd like to do is to change the

[2:07:20] word considered to recognized and it would sound like this. Da da da da.

[2:07:25] declare that the use of ebikes remain subject to highway traffic acts and that

[2:07:29] e- scooters will be considered will will be recognized I should say will be

[2:07:35] recognized because people don't recognize them right now and that is a

[2:07:39] part of the public education to which I think John and you are both talking

[2:07:42] about the way it reads right now it suggests that we're trying to ban them

[2:07:45] or not because they already are banned so my my my um uh friendly amendment is

[2:07:51] to change considered should be considered I think to recognized.

[2:07:58] » Recognized as illegal. >> Um, recognized as illegal. Yes.

[2:08:02] » Any problem with that? I'm fine with that.

[2:08:05] » Yeah. So, recognized as illegal. Fred, >> can I just ask an ignorant question?

[2:08:12] An ebike is like a bike that you own. Ralph.

[2:08:15] » Yep. >> And that's I I know it's been written on

[2:08:18] the seventh line. That that is illegal. That

[2:08:21] » No, no, it's not illegal. Ebikes are are quite legal.

[2:08:25] » They're quite legal. >> Yes.

[2:08:27] » Okay. >> Yeah. Under the Highway Traffic Act.

[2:08:29] » Okay. Because we're just saying in the in the therefore clause, we're just

[2:08:32] saying e scooters. >> That's right.

[2:08:34] » Okay. >> And and and that's the operative part of

[2:08:37] the motion. Everything else is is probably

[2:08:40] » Yeah. >> I guess if we really wanted to educate

[2:08:44] people, which is the purpose of this, though I still stand by. Thanks that the

[2:08:48] OP is coming out, but I I'd like Mono to do something. I I would like it on our

[2:08:52] Facebook page. I'd like it at our at our um environmental uh control party in in

[2:08:58] October that you know, yeah, yeah, it's great to have these e things, but be

[2:09:01] responsible or whatever. But it's the it's the e motorbike as opposed to the e

[2:09:07] pedal bike. >> I think is maybe a distinction that

[2:09:10] those e dirt bikes are not allowed on the road. And in mono, cuz I'm a dirt

[2:09:16] biker, you're not even allowed to have your dirt bike on the your engine dirt

[2:09:20] bike on the road, right? You guys made that law before I showed up. So the I I

[2:09:24] think it's important to not remove the the bicycle part of it so that people

[2:09:29] are are or not bicycle, the bike part of it, and to to somehow put in there um so

[2:09:35] I I would use the word the expression dirt bikes because that's what they are.

[2:09:38] They're they're an off-road real off-road bicycle as opposed to just a

[2:09:42] mountain ebike that's pedal assisted, but

[2:09:47] » if your microphone was on >> Well, I'm not sure what your uh

[2:09:51] » Go ahead. Um >> I'm not quite sure what you're

[2:09:53] suggesting the change would be. >> Yeah, I didn't understand.

[2:09:56] » And by the way, we made this rule before you came because we'd heard you were

[2:10:00] coming. >> I only go where I'm allowed to go, so

[2:10:04] not to worry. But the but yeah the the the change only because only well

[2:10:09] because your your whereas is all start. So if we're only going to change the

[2:10:12] bottom to a there therefore for for >> then then we need to also I think cons

[2:10:19] take into account if we're going to change it I think we need to take into

[2:10:22] account that the expression ebikes is a bit too too broad and misleading in

[2:10:27] contrast to e scooters cuz e scooter you there's no way to make a move except for

[2:10:32] standing on it and pulling the throttle right or no I guess you could pet I

[2:10:36] guess you could >> push whatever but you don't right so

[2:10:39] anyway the whole thing is just a little bit um cumbersome. So

[2:10:43] » I I I I think the the the amendment to recognize

[2:10:48] illegal is is important and and I I think it captures it. Uh I think we we

[2:10:54] do need to send a signal that even the conventional dirt bike, we've all seen

[2:10:59] examples of people not wearing helmets and and uh uh not being insured uh not

[2:11:05] being plated for those devices and uh that is troublesome. that is very

[2:11:10] troublesome >> and and for education with respect to

[2:11:13] this buying these these um uh toys for your children. Um there was a um lawyer

[2:11:20] I saw on social media trying to get the message out.

[2:11:24] » Really good. >> Really good saying that you know as

[2:11:27] parents for these people under 16 like you're liable. You're liable on many

[2:11:31] fronts if something should happen. Never mind the guilt that you'll feel when

[2:11:34] your kid's head gets smushed. Right. Yeah.

[2:11:37] » Well, and and the the that that post is uh is is exceptionally helpful because

[2:11:43] it points out that if uh if uh a rider of one of these these devices uh hits a

[2:11:49] pedestrian, the pedestrian can counters sue

[2:11:53] » the parents. >> And you know, the whole thing uh

[2:11:57] devolves into a world of hurt for everybody concerned.

[2:12:01] » Mhm. Well, that's partially my reason for bringing this forward was the whole

[2:12:06] let's get people's attention about this. And I know that Orangeville did make a

[2:12:11] declaration um not just opt out of the program. They

[2:12:16] made a declaration that these were not legal. Now they have more sidewalks and

[2:12:21] more places where you know these could be encountered. But I thought after our

[2:12:27] conversation about what happened in our own park um that you know we should make

[2:12:34] a statement and yes there's a lot of education that needs to happen and we

[2:12:38] were in Vaughn the other day and these things are rampant. They're everywhere.

[2:12:42] People are driving them on every road down the like main streets. They even

[2:12:47] have you know how you used to get a bicycle, you could use the bicycle and

[2:12:51] return it at another station. They even have these at those stations now. They

[2:12:56] do provide a helmet, but still people are getting on them. They don't know.

[2:13:00] Anyway, so >> they're pretty prevalent in all.

[2:13:03] » I appreciate the conversation. >> Um

[2:13:06] Fred and Jessica, can we look into having a something on the website that

[2:13:10] maybe picks up um from another municipality the um uh the message?

[2:13:16] There are some very good municipal messages out there on this. We'll do a

[2:13:20] scan and we will certainly follow the OP's lead as well.

[2:13:24] » Yeah. Okay. Good. So, with the amendment uh on consent to recognize uh illegal as

[2:13:31] opposed to consider illegal, uh any opposition to the motion? Seeing none,

[2:13:36] it carries. >> Thank you.

[2:13:41] And um finally, but not last, I have a motion that we introduce and give the

[2:13:47] necessary readings to a bylaw to appoint a town clerk and deputy clerk of the

[2:13:53] corporation of the town of Mono that it be signed by the mayor and clerk sealed

[2:13:58] and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Oh,

[2:14:02] » move it by councelor Cape, seconded by councelor Magalo. Uh questions,

[2:14:07] comments? Go ahead. Uh, and then

[2:14:13] » maybe I'm confusing things, but clerk and deputy clerk.

[2:14:19] So, clerk is Jessica. Deputy clerk, is that not our CEO?

[2:14:28] » So, Les and I are actually appointed under another bylaw. Uh should there be

[2:14:33] it is my job descript in my job description as deputy clerk and I was

[2:14:38] but the bylaw I as I understand it from Jessica uh that appointed me as CEO uh

[2:14:46] also included uh my contract and and other things and then less was appointed

[2:14:51] at another bylaw because we had some absenteeism at one point right

[2:14:55] » um so you're you're well covered >> um and Fred will another bylaw will come

[2:15:01] back in November, which will be a sad sad bylaw saying goodbye to our newest

[2:15:08] deputy clerk. Um, so there will be some some definitely a few bylaws and then

[2:15:13] Jessica and I will speak about whether we want to do an all-encompassing bylaw.

[2:15:17] Okay. >> Uh to uh um

[2:15:19] » so it's us. Great. Thank you. >> It's a demotion now and then uh worse

[2:15:24] news in the fall. >> So we we are a municipality that's

[2:15:28] blessed with three deputy clerks. >> Yes.

[2:15:30] » Right. Yeah. >> Go ahead, Frank.

[2:15:33] » I just wanted to know if the the demotion from clerk to deputy clerk,

[2:15:36] does it change the position on the salary grid?

[2:15:39] » Absolutely. >> That might affect his attendance. So, uh

[2:15:47] » any any further attempts at humor? >> Any opposed?

[2:15:54] Congratulations, Jessica. >> Thank you.

[2:16:11] Happy to be here. >> You can trade chairs, too.

[2:16:18] » But at this point, uh, Miss Kennedy will take over as clerk of the meeting.

[2:16:23] » Yes. Excellent. >> Thank you.

[2:16:27] » Thank you. and and uh there's lots of times for uh uh tribute and uh uh

[2:16:33] memories u Fred. So you haven't heard the last from us.

[2:16:40] Okay. Schedule A. I have a motion that we accept schedule A to this agenda.

[2:16:44] » We have other

[2:16:48] » we're up to schedule A. >> Yep. A

[2:16:52] » we are. So I do I have a mover and a secondary

[2:16:56] to schedule A and then we can dive into it. Moved by councelor Davyy, seconded

[2:17:00] by councelor Capes. Um items on schedule A. Um councelor Capesh sent two in. I

[2:17:08] believe >> I sent two in.

[2:17:11] » And I have a few when you >> Okay. So councelor Capes first then Fred

[2:17:16] and we'll move down the table >> if they haven't been discussed already.

[2:17:20] » Yep. >> Okay. One that I didn't put on the

[2:17:23] » one that I didn't put on the list was number five. And I just want to make a

[2:17:26] quick comment because I think that uh livestock is already included in the

[2:17:31] county's emergency planning. >> Fred acknowledges that. Yes, it is.

[2:17:36] That's true. >> So going straight was that your only

[2:17:40] comment on that could cuz can can I clarify you want to build on that? Well,

[2:17:45] big thank you because it was on my list to ask for clarification because we got

[2:17:49] this letter and now because it's a number of weeks later that's it goes on

[2:17:53] to the schedule A for the public to see. But it was a very good letter and a very

[2:17:56] good points and and and seem to be asking for a lot more of the

[2:18:01] actual logistics like who are going to be the volunteers who are going to come

[2:18:04] and put my horse cuz I don't have a trailer in when we're evacuated and

[2:18:08] everything. And so the the answer was that yes, Duffren it's in the animals

[2:18:12] are in the plan for preparedness. But does the Duffren does it does it go as

[2:18:18] much as what this letter said? That's what I wanted to to clarify.

[2:18:22] » That's what I wanted to clarify. >> Okay.

[2:18:24] » Oops. But now we have to wait cuz that stopped everything.

[2:18:27] » We we did we lose our internet. >> It looks like it stopped.

[2:18:33] I would recommend your worship. We give uh Andrew a few minutes to uh get

[2:18:37] everything back online. Confirm that we're online and streaming before we

[2:18:41] carry on. >> So Andrew, if you can confirm when

[2:18:44] everything is back and ready and that we're streaming,

[2:18:52] » that was too quick for the generator to kick in.

[2:18:54] » They didn't kick in. No, but this seemed And this I don't know.

[2:18:58] It looks like the stream is still active. Oh,

[2:19:01] » okay. >> Okay. Thank you,

[2:19:02] » Fred. You had a a comment. >> Yeah. So, I've reached out to uh uh

[2:19:07] Steve Murphy, who is the county emergency coordinator, and asked that

[2:19:12] this go on to uh the next countywide um Duffren Joint Emergency Management

[2:19:18] Committee for further discussion. To your point, councelor Davey, our

[2:19:22] emergency plan includes more than just a list of uh of vendors and service

[2:19:29] suppliers. So, we do have that list of various livestock and dead stock and

[2:19:35] other uh vendors in the agricultural area, but the plan also lays out certain

[2:19:41] specific actions uh in the event of an emergency. I think there are some good

[2:19:46] points in the letter uh which is why I forwarded it to uh Steve Murphy and I'm

[2:19:52] looking for the uh the entire county to have a discussion on if there's further

[2:19:58] steps that we should consider. >> Yeah, that's great.

[2:20:01] » Thank you. Thank you. That's great. Good.

[2:20:03] » Okay. So, so thank you Melinda. And I want my

[2:20:08] two that I submitted to want to speak to was uh 15 and 21. So number 15,

[2:20:19] » right? So

[2:20:23] what this does is it means that any property that we

[2:20:28] had identified as having potential for heritage

[2:20:33] designation can now be as of January 27th

[2:20:39] destroyed without us being informed. So,

[2:20:46] um perhaps if we can somehow convince people to want to rally

[2:20:54] around doing more uh designations uh of those that are in the top of those

[2:21:03] that we don't want to see lost and those that we think are at the greatest

[2:21:07] threat. Um that's that's the the fallout of this. Can I ask a question on that? U

[2:21:15] go ahead. To >> to do that, we we would need a heritage

[2:21:19] committee. Do we still have a heritage committee?

[2:21:21] » We would have to reestablish a heritage committee,

[2:21:25] » but but we we only have 3 months to do that in

[2:21:31] » they can work fast. >> Okay.

[2:21:33] » Okay. The the other suggestion that has been

[2:21:37] made by um members of the former former members of the heritage committee would

[2:21:42] be to um uh create a a list of historic properties of interest

[2:21:49] to replace what was here to for on the registry.

[2:21:53] » Mhm. >> And I sort of like that idea. I think it

[2:21:56] should be voluntary. I don't think it will be a hard uh hard cell to get

[2:22:00] people who are formally part of the registry to uh participate but at least

[2:22:05] it would uh uh create a record of what uh we had um uh previously designated

[2:22:13] for purposes of the registry >> right and we don't lose that

[2:22:18] we lose the fact that it's listed identified somewhere but we still have

[2:22:24] the list of those properties it's not like that disappears. But I like that

[2:22:28] idea and I was thinking similarly, we did once upon a time do this, held an

[2:22:34] open house and invited people who were on the list to come and voluntarily step

[2:22:41] up to have their property designated. So if we wanted to, but that's a commitment

[2:22:46] in financial terms that we haven't budgeted for

[2:22:52] necessarily. if like 10 of those people come forward, we're looking at money and

[2:22:59] um anyway, it's it's worth having a little more review on and maybe um

[2:23:07] maybe going back to some of those individuals that were

[2:23:12] uh on a heritage committee and reinstating a heritage committee and

[2:23:17] inviting people to um to come together. In fact, I'm not sure we actually need a

[2:23:25] heritage committee to designate properties, but Fred or Jessica will

[2:23:29] correct me on that. >> Uh if council establishes a uh heritage

[2:23:36] committee, then it's been delegated to that committee. However, if council

[2:23:40] doesn't establish such a committee, council still has the authority under

[2:23:44] the act to designate properties. Right. >> They would just have to have some other

[2:23:48] resources. >> Yes. Yes.

[2:23:50] » Do the paperwork. >> Right. Thank you.

[2:23:53] » Uh Ralph, um so Ela and I have had this

[2:23:58] conversation a little bit. Um and the uh I think you're you're right. We do have

[2:24:02] a list and but that becomes unofficial after this and hope it's in somebody's

[2:24:08] portfolio somewhere. Um, but I think that the idea of having a spe a special

[2:24:14] um list of properties of interest is is a is a good one because that would be a

[2:24:19] come a private list of our our town at all and it's not that not regulated by

[2:24:24] regulation and it would just be something that we've done for ourselves

[2:24:28] and we would uh I think that would probably provide some ability to follow

[2:24:32] up with in a meaningful way. What I thought

[2:24:36] » I thought that this new thing that's happening in January 1st is that if it

[2:24:40] hasn't if a propertyy's on a list and it hasn't been designated by that date,

[2:24:44] you're not going to be able to do it. That was the point.

[2:24:47] » No, they're actually they're actually abolishing the the registry.

[2:24:50] » Yeah. So >> abolishing that list.

[2:24:54] » Well, that that's right. So abolishing the list means we can't have like I'm

[2:24:58] not quite sure what we can do. >> I I I I disagree. I think we can have

[2:25:01] our own our own list of notable properties. Um it doesn't have the

[2:25:07] strength or or it's not binding uh in the same way that uh it used to be, but

[2:25:13] it becomes a record of historic historically significant properties in

[2:25:19] the town. And I'm happy to indicate that I'll bring them I'm going to do a notice

[2:25:25] of motion for the next meeting to create such a list.

[2:25:28] » Right. So Melinda to to your point what happens with the January 12 27th

[2:25:36] date is those properties are not now considered under that provincial uh

[2:25:43] legislation to be listed and therefore that they couldn't be demolished. That's

[2:25:49] the only thing. So what will happen is that disappears but we could have our

[2:25:55] that same list and keep that list. We just wouldn't be notified if any of

[2:26:01] those properties sought a building permit and demolition permit. That's the

[2:26:07] change. So, we can still keep those. >> So, but list of names or properties.

[2:26:12] » Great. But what are we going to what are we going to what are we going to do with

[2:26:15] it? The ultimate uh point of the list I thought was I properties that were of

[2:26:20] interest. So that then and they had hundreds of them so that then they would

[2:26:25] go through ultimately in due course not knowing that that the there was some

[2:26:29] sort of a deadline so close that they would go through them in due course and

[2:26:33] actually not just register them but definitely designate them.

[2:26:38] » Yes, that's true. So, but you're not even allowed to do that anymore because

[2:26:42] you can designate them and that list doesn't matter. We can now say that list

[2:26:48] isn't here. We'll create a new list. It's the same list. And now we're going

[2:26:51] to use that list and we can determine we can do an invitation out to the

[2:26:56] community that's on that list. Open house. See who wants to designate their

[2:27:00] property. >> Okay.

[2:27:02] » And move forward. All right. >> I don't I don't think it precludes uh

[2:27:06] voluntary designations. If somebody comes forward and says, "Uh,

[2:27:10] » uh, I'd like to have my, uh, my home designated," we would go through an

[2:27:14] investigation with a reconstituted committee.

[2:27:18] » Um, and we'd be guided by the fact that, uh, uh, previously that property may or

[2:27:24] may not have been on the registry, which no longer exists. And, uh, you know,

[2:27:29] governments change and maybe a registry will come back. Who knows? I don't know

[2:27:33] why it's going away. >> Yeah. Anyway, so

[2:27:36] » because they want to dem build more homes.

[2:27:40] » They want to allow people to demolish properties. You're right. You're right.

[2:27:43] » New new homes. I have no idea. >> Well, because they're appreciating that

[2:27:46] they weren't supposed to take the green belt. So, where else can we take some

[2:27:49] land? Oh, right. Let's take land from places that are already have houses on

[2:27:53] them. I think I don't. All right. Well, well, I mean, I I I uh

[2:27:58] this is was an extremely disappointing thing to see that, you know, we've

[2:28:01] looked at your your um your comments on a short period of time and we've decided

[2:28:07] not to, right? I mean, that's what the letter said, which was very

[2:28:10] disappointing. >> Yeah. Thanks for your comments.

[2:28:13] » They're talking to themselves. >> Okay. And then I had number 21.

[2:28:21] Let me get there.

[2:28:28] Uh I think this is timely.

[2:28:32] There are so many municipalities being asked to uh accept these data centers

[2:28:39] and there are a lot of them being turned away and causing uh like it's causing

[2:28:45] citizen concern. even here people are reaching out to me and saying I heard

[2:28:51] this was going to happen in in Mono and I said no it's not that was Hamilton and

[2:28:55] they turned it down anyway so I I do um want to support that the county have

[2:29:05] uh a statement on any development that we are not looking for data centers

[2:29:12] they use a huge amount of water and power and um I don't see that we

[2:29:21] shouldn't combine and talk about it. >> Melinda,

[2:29:25] » thank you very much. Maria, this was on my list only to comment that there's

[2:29:28] this big hoopla around about how it takes a lot of water and and like the

[2:29:34] like the mega quarry that wants to go below the water table up to try to get

[2:29:38] to try to get the lime limestone using water, you know, and so therefore making

[2:29:43] us be worried about our water and having just had the the recent um delegation

[2:29:48] regarding how, you know, there's only so much. But for me, what really So, this

[2:29:53] is good. But for me, it's it's okay, fine. Everybody makes a big stink about

[2:29:57] how you're not supposed to use the water. Well, then the engineers are just

[2:29:59] going to use air cooled stuff and electric like they're going to change

[2:30:03] and it will but it's still is the power that is needed that our infrastructure

[2:30:07] that there won't be enough power to power our little um station in the

[2:30:12] parking lot, right? I mean that that to me that's what's really and it's going

[2:30:16] to be very expensive because if they do need power if we do feel that we really

[2:30:19] need this AI and we and this is the way to go and we're going to not use water

[2:30:23] to cool it. We're going to we're going to use um whatever heat pumps and things

[2:30:27] that are that use electricity then we need to make more electricity

[2:30:32] » and so then it's all going to be very expensive. So I I would endorse this is

[2:30:37] I'm happy about that, but I want to see the one that really talks also about

[2:30:41] that energy is a really important part here that's going to be used.

[2:30:44] » Well, there's more than than than simply the water as you say. There's the

[2:30:48] energy, but there's also the persistent hum that originates from these

[2:30:54] structures. And uh you know we we all know about

[2:30:58] windmills and and uh actually the the generating stations that windmills rely

[2:31:04] on um emit a noise that is aggravating to neighbors. But I have a question for

[2:31:09] Mike and that is um somebody comes through the door uh tomorrow and says I

[2:31:16] want to build a you know 20,000 50,000 uh square foot warehouse.

[2:31:24] Uh and uh they put in the the right paperwork and it it on the face of it it

[2:31:30] looks just like a warehouse but at some point they transitioned that into a data

[2:31:36] center. Um, and they don't run a foul of our

[2:31:40] official plan. They don't run a foul of our zoning. Uh, because the uh property

[2:31:46] in in question is either currently allows a warehouse or they make an

[2:31:52] application through the planning process to create a warehouse and all of a

[2:31:56] sudden we have a data center. Am I too conspiratorial on that?

[2:32:01] So warehouse would trigger us to think commercial industrial immediately which

[2:32:06] would uh only occur on a commercial industrial zone property which is under

[2:32:12] our I'll say OP under OP is under site plane zoning is under site cycling

[2:32:17] control. Um, so we would uh we would uh run that warehouse through the uh

[2:32:22] through the ringer with site plane control that's on title and that would

[2:32:27] limit the uh limit the uses to the current uses. Now

[2:32:33] some of our commercial property has a definition for computer logistics

[2:32:42] but I think the definition is repair and sales of computers. as an allowable. So,

[2:32:50] our definitions definitely don't include data centers um because they were not a

[2:32:54] thing uh when we did our last OP, but but it would be on title and they would

[2:32:59] be bound by their uses and they would have to stay in line with those uses,

[2:33:04] allowable uses. So, and the square footage definitely would fall under

[2:33:08] zoning allowances. >> But I'm I'm just wondering about a

[2:33:11] Trojan horse here. >> Yeah, exactly. Site site plan. you're

[2:33:16] you're thinking a barn on a property um being you know

[2:33:23] we had a couple at the committee of adjustment last week where they were

[2:33:27] larger barns above what council and that's why I think council gets the

[2:33:31] opportunity or sorry committee of adjustment gets the opportunity to

[2:33:34] manage the square footage of of the uh of the impact of all land whether it be

[2:33:40] rural and or uh or uh urban commercial zone. Yeah,

[2:33:45] » rural a is sort of caught under this uh council of the day said uh uh you know

[2:33:51] if you're if you're wanting to put uh I forget the number 600 m squared more

[2:33:57] than 600 m squared of of uh coverage on your property you have to come to the

[2:34:03] committee of adjustment and speak to >> the committee of adjustment isn't going

[2:34:06] to stop somebody from um obstensively building a warehouse and then all of a

[2:34:12] sudden it's populated with uh with uh computer equipment and and massive

[2:34:18] cooling and humming and electricity. >> So if zoned rural bylaw would have the

[2:34:23] right under the zoning bylaw to uh to require a site plan agreement.

[2:34:27] » So I guess the bottom line is do we need to say in our official plan uh that a

[2:34:33] data center data center center as defined

[2:34:37] is is not a permissible use in the town of Mono. I would agree there's

[2:34:41] definitely wording with respect to water takings um and uh and so forth, but

[2:34:48] there's definitely wording that should occur uh for a whole slew of new new

[2:34:53] things in our OP and in our zoning allowances. So, councelor Capes, is it

[2:34:57] your wish that we endorse the the Orangeville uh motion? We can have a

[2:35:01] simple motion of >> Yes, please. And I think that's really

[2:35:05] good what um our CEO just said and we can expand that beyond water as Melinda

[2:35:11] was saying to include power power, you know, use or

[2:35:18] » I think it's a big deal. >> So we need a we need a a motion on the

[2:35:22] floor moved by seconded by uh Ralph uh that we support the uh the

[2:35:28] Orangeville uh motion.

[2:35:33] We have a motion prepared that we could suggest for council

[2:35:37] » that council for the town of Mono supports and endorses the resolution

[2:35:41] passed by the town of Orangeville calling on the county of Duffren to

[2:35:45] undertake a comprehensive review of the potential advantages and disadvantages

[2:35:50] of new data centers. >> I so move.

[2:35:53] » Thank you. So we have a mover in a second or any opposition

[2:35:56] » discussion. Oh, go ahead. Um, when I first heard when I first heard about

[2:35:59] this, I thought, well, this isn't Colorado, which is going to be draining

[2:36:04] some big river and these things are probably not going to come here. But I

[2:36:08] looked up something called ontario data centers.ca

[2:36:11] and there are 18 applications filed in the area surrounding uh the greater

[2:36:18] greater Toronto area up to Bmpton. Nothing above that. But so this is

[2:36:22] something that's on the move. So, I think it's important that we uh that we

[2:36:26] carry on with this uh motion. I approve of it. So, we're passing it over to

[2:36:30] Duffren County expecting them to come up with a a some solutions. Okay.

[2:36:36] » Thank you, Linda. >> Just a little comment about the whole

[2:36:40] size thing. Do you remember when computers first came out and they were

[2:36:43] all in a big huge room and it was a whole bunch of stuff and now we all

[2:36:46] carry it in our pocket. This whole idea that you know we have used so much that

[2:36:51] we need these. what was the one that the Mr. Wonderful was doing the size of

[2:36:55] Manhattan or whatever. there's a whole conglomer bunch of buildings and

[2:36:58] everything and you just think about yeah when they invent something in a few

[2:37:01] decades and then all those buildings are useless right what are you going to do

[2:37:06] with them so thinking ahead I think is very important that the that as you say

[2:37:11] this to to be in our zoning that you can only come yes come in here make a make a

[2:37:16] um a warehouse but it can only be so big right

[2:37:21] » okay uh no other discussion any opposition to the motion seeing on it

[2:37:26] carries. Uh, anything else? Uh, Elaine? >> Okay, Fred,

[2:37:30] » that was it for me. Thank you so much. >> Anything from schedule A?

[2:37:34] » Yeah, I had two items. One was item number six, and that is a letter from

[2:37:39] the county asking the town of Mono to help them or at least to reach out to

[2:37:44] the town of Mon for input to their official plan number five. And I have no

[2:37:49] problem with them reaching out and asking us for input to this process. But

[2:37:53] I have one concern with the whole official plan amendment number five

[2:37:57] process. And that is that they will be um coming up with a new plan and looking

[2:38:02] at uh residential land and employment land. We already know that in their

[2:38:08] written comments they're looking at the expanding the boundaries of the town of

[2:38:12] Orangeville and all that's fine. But I in my humbleable view and I'm going to

[2:38:16] sound like a broken record here. They're missing something in the process which

[2:38:20] is yes that do a land need to study study and the numbers are this.

[2:38:25] Originally Duff County was to look at a population of 95,000 by 2051.

[2:38:30] That number has changed several times. It went up to 117,000 and now it's back

[2:38:34] down to 97,000. It doesn't matter. Most of that population growth will be in the

[2:38:40] town of Orangeville which has service services. My concern is that before we

[2:38:44] start changing the official plan and planning for this increase in

[2:38:47] population, we should be looking at the question of as to whether or not we have

[2:38:50] the water resources to do it. All the wells in Orangeville, I think except one

[2:38:55] have a water quantity threat. If if you read the latest study and the

[2:38:59] presentation we had from Benham from the Credit Valley Conservation and our

[2:39:03] Cardinal Woods wells have a water quantity threat. Now, I know there's

[2:39:06] proposed solutions, but in my humble view, these wells are all drawing from

[2:39:11] the same aquifer, which is fine. And if the hydro geologists tell us that they

[2:39:16] can withstand the new population increase, then I'm happy. My my comment

[2:39:20] is though that we we we're missing a step in official plan number five. We

[2:39:24] should look at the water resources first and then do the land need to study

[2:39:29] assuming that we have enough land or enough water for this population

[2:39:33] increase. So, I'm in in agreement with the letter that the Duff County has

[2:39:37] written to the town of Monono. Reach out and talk to us. But I think when we talk

[2:39:40] to them, we should make that point.

[2:39:45] » Good points. Um Fred, I think I to me what stood out as when I wrote this down

[2:39:50] is that we've been waiting when we talk about um our unfinished business list,

[2:39:55] we're waiting for uh Duffren before we can then rejig ours, right? Am I wrong?

[2:40:03] I'm I'm that's what I've been told. And so the faster that they get organized

[2:40:07] and of course I think what happened was that they were going they made different

[2:40:10] a they made different amendments. We're all okay and then oh no we need to do

[2:40:13] something else. So Mono's been sitting back on our big list of things waiting

[2:40:17] because there's no point in spending effort and time on something that then

[2:40:20] ends up in the grander scheme not being. So um th this letter is saying but it's

[2:40:28] not it's not because we're holding anybody back, right? Like we're

[2:40:33] » No, we're not we're not holding anybody back. No. So I I I would uh um

[2:40:41] ask them to do it quickly so that we can get on with everything else.

[2:40:45] » Not not wanting them to slow down. Maybe they could use that plan amendment as an

[2:40:50] opportunity to address the issue of data centers as well.

[2:40:55] » I had I had a second item. Item number seven I I pulled.

[2:41:01] That's that's a report that I wrote. uh note that it was dated July 11th and I

[2:41:06] said that I've heard that the province has appointed an executive director to

[2:41:10] the new Western Lake Ontario Regional Conservation Authority. Well, you will

[2:41:15] note from item 14 now we know who that person is and it's uh um I forget the

[2:41:21] name, Jacqueline Johnson. All I know about her is that she's from Burlington,

[2:41:26] worked for Burlington. My only comment I mean this may be good or bad. I don't

[2:41:30] know. It just I was surprised that the person they've appointed as the

[2:41:34] executive director who will become the CEO of the new regional conservation

[2:41:38] authority for a term of up two years has no background in conservation

[2:41:43] authorities. That that was a concern. But the other point I would draw your

[2:41:47] attention to is the last paragraph in my report of January the 11th where I talk

[2:41:51] about this modeling that Credit Valley did. I I'm not competent enough to

[2:41:56] remember all the details to tell you how it works, but I was very impressed with

[2:42:00] the presentation they made. And so, and I've given you in my report some of the

[2:42:05] numbers of what they expect increases in stream flows and temperatures and loss

[2:42:12] of trees to anyway, the point is when they gave the presentation, they said

[2:42:16] they're prepared to come out to individual municipalities and give a

[2:42:19] report and to narrow the modeling down to more specific regions. So, I just

[2:42:24] want to put on I don't have a motion. I just want to tell staff and any of you

[2:42:28] counselors who are going to be here in the new term that I think we should be

[2:42:31] thinking of inviting these people to make a presentation to the town of Mono

[2:42:35] sometime early in 2027. It's a very intriguing modeling process they've gone

[2:42:41] through. Thank thank you. Uh just uh from the uh from schedule A

[2:42:47] uh I had identified item number 17 the letter from the solicitor general with

[2:42:52] regard to next year's policing costs. Uh and I found it interesting that uh they

[2:42:58] are um promising a a ceiling of of not more than 11%.

[2:43:03] Uh I went back to last year's letter which said exactly the same thing. There

[2:43:09] was it was it was cut and paste and it wasn't uh it wasn't there was no room in

[2:43:14] the last year for something less than 11%. It became 11%. And I predict that

[2:43:20] this is the same thing even though they're sort of hinting that it might be

[2:43:23] less than 11% and they also saying that this is a timelimited uh uh time limited

[2:43:31] thing. Well, it's time limited until the year following it becomes 11% again. I

[2:43:35] guess I don't know. I I would just point out

[2:43:39] » so that makes it a 44% in the last three or four years.

[2:43:42] » Yes. >> Because it was 22% one previous year.

[2:43:45] » That's correct. And and I mean, you know, we need the policing and we need

[2:43:50] more policing. Uh what bothers me is that we do not have the offset revenue

[2:43:55] that we deserve to offset the increase in policing costs. What bothers me uh

[2:44:01] your honor is the we have no explanation for why we have a 44 44% increase in

[2:44:06] pleasing costs in in 3 years. Do you have any information about that?

[2:44:10] » The year one was 20 around 22% and that was as a result of a collective

[2:44:15] agreement with the OP officers. >> Okay.

[2:44:18] » Uh what constituted last year I don't know and what constitutes next year I

[2:44:23] don't know. >> So okay.

[2:44:27] » Okay. thinking that maybe positive things that maybe by giving them more

[2:44:31] money they'll be able to give us more police cuz I'm really disappointed that

[2:44:35] when we had a terrific person who retired and was on part-time and so on

[2:44:39] and we tried to hold our our guns to say that no we we do need police in our in

[2:44:44] our community and we were to we were they just sat here and they said no we

[2:44:47] can't no you can't and so it's kind of like well why can't you well we can't

[2:44:50] find the people and you know good help is hard to find so I do understand the

[2:44:54] actual logistics of the person who needs to hire people It's tricky but then you

[2:44:58] come back to like okay well if you have more money maybe people are going to

[2:45:02] come and I mean the the hospital was telling us the same thing recruiting

[2:45:05] right it's about money right so it so hopefully maybe maybe to think

[2:45:10] positively >> I'll be asking tomorrow

[2:45:14] » I I was just going to add I too am surprised by this letter but I wanted to

[2:45:19] add a side note that and I can't find the numbers but I did the calculation

[2:45:24] once our fire services costs have also increased I think over the last decade

[2:45:29] by an average annual increase of something like 16% a year. I don't quote

[2:45:33] me on that number but it's something like that. So between policing and fire

[2:45:37] services I'm I'm putting that on the record because I know some of our

[2:45:40] residents are surprised when they find we have to raise taxes but we have no

[2:45:44] control over this.

[2:45:49] » That being said I >> That's all you were going to talk about?

[2:45:52] » That's all I was going to talk about. Ralph, anything? Uh just one. It's uh

[2:45:56] number uh 23, the last one. The single use of propane cylinders. It sounds like

[2:46:03] um this is legislatively has been handled, but practically it's not in

[2:46:08] place. And um I'd like to have a motion that we support this uh this request. Uh

[2:46:15] at the moment it's a it's a uh recovery authority uh is uh supposed to take care

[2:46:21] of this and uh but the problem is there aren't enough stations for you to take

[2:46:24] your propane cylinders. >> So my proposal is that we have a motion

[2:46:29] that supports this. >> So we have a a seconder and u councelor

[2:46:33] Davey >> I I think that's a good idea. I looked

[2:46:36] at it and had to look at single propane. How many of those do I have in my

[2:46:39] basement from the various things that I from camping and whatever? And so the a

[2:46:43] quick little review there are and in fact being with more people who are

[2:46:46] maggyvery type people. Um refilling them has is illegal and don't do it on the on

[2:46:51] the green ones that you just buy and don't do that. However, they are making

[2:46:56] ones that are the cuz they're handy size to have. They fit into certain machines

[2:47:00] that you have and so on. And they do have refillable ones now. And so I would

[2:47:04] appeal to us all to not buy the $6 regular one at the Canadian Tire because

[2:47:10] then what are you going to do with it? it's a problem, but to to seek out the

[2:47:13] more expensive one that you can reuse for a few years as a you know idea.

[2:47:20] » That's a good point. Try to find them. They're hard to find. We have one. It's

[2:47:23] about this big that we take camping to hook up to our camp stove.

[2:47:27] » These ones that I were seeing are exactly the same. And probably it's one

[2:47:30] of those needing to order online things as opposed to going. But also, you know,

[2:47:34] if you go to our regular stores, I mean, if you go into the supermarket here and

[2:47:37] you ask for, you know, a certain type of cheese that they don't have, they do

[2:47:40] endeavor to bring what they what their patrons want.

[2:47:43] » We got one, but they're hard to come by. >> Jessica, do you have a handy wording for

[2:47:48] us? >> Uh, yes. And I will note that the

[2:47:51] clerk's department did reach out to Duffren County, uh, the manager of waste

[2:47:55] services for an opinion, but we did not hear back.

[2:47:59] » We'll chase them down for you. Uh that council for the town of Mono

[2:48:04] supports and endorses the letter from the township of Tutor and Castle calling

[2:48:09] on the Ministry of Environment, Conservation and Parks to undertake a

[2:48:12] review of the current regulatory framework governing one pound single-use

[2:48:17] propane cylinders. >> Thank you. Any opposition to that?

[2:48:21] » That motion carries. >> You needed a secondary.

[2:48:24] » Um I had one. >> We did. Yeah.

[2:48:26] » Okay. >> Yeah, it's good. Um okay. Excuse me.

[2:48:30] Yes, >> your worship. If I can uh if I can just

[2:48:34] mention item 20 >> on schedule A. Is is council interested

[2:48:40] in a uh proclamation to that effect coming back?

[2:48:43] » Yeah, that was on my list. I hadn't been asked to use my list.

[2:48:46] » My apologies. I didn't know you had a list.

[2:48:48] » We thought she'd already spoken. >> No, on everybody else's, yes, but not on

[2:48:52] mine. That introduction. >> So, yeah. So my my my big question

[2:48:56] particularly because I brought forward the flag thing that everybody didn't

[2:49:00] understand what I was bringing forward and just poo pooed the idea of uh

[2:49:04] proclamations and how and how they give an opportunity for education and and

[2:49:10] they um should be very diverse and and include all of things. I thought gez I

[2:49:15] don't when was the last time I went to the dentist? if if somebody had told me

[2:49:20] that there was a special day or whatever, I might I might have have gone

[2:49:24] more frequently. So, I I kind of think that it might be it might be a good

[2:49:28] idea. I was going to ask for if anybody else thought that.

[2:49:34] » We'll proclaim a particular day. >> Sure.

[2:49:37] » Why not? >> Tommy Tooth Day.

[2:49:40] » Yeah. Right. Right. Right. I mean because because and you and we we just

[2:49:43] but those are the kind when I was thinking about the ebikes and stuff and

[2:49:46] the e- scooters like where before social media and before we were so divided in

[2:49:51] where we would get the news. You just waited for the newspaper to arrive and

[2:49:54] everybody read it and you like there was a there was a source where nowadays

[2:49:59] there's so many things. What is the source that would be best to be able to

[2:50:03] tell our our young people and because you learned in school and you learned

[2:50:08] that I don't think they're learning now cuz there's so much other noise. Right.

[2:50:13] » So proclamations that's right. Go forward.

[2:50:15] » The bicycle safety with Elmer the elephant and

[2:50:19] » Exactly. >> Yes. And Tommy the tooth guy and all of

[2:50:22] that good stuff. >> Exactly. So do we need do do we

[2:50:28] » I don't think we need emotion. I don't think we do.

[2:50:30] » Direction of stuff. >> Direction of stuff.

[2:50:32] » Cuz now it's my turn, right? So, I had a couple.

[2:50:34] » So, the other one that I had was along the same kind of lines and it was number

[2:50:40] um 22 about the um British home children.

[2:50:47] And so, did you did everybody get an opport It was a very long list. Did

[2:50:51] everybody get an opportunity to read this? because it's very interesting that

[2:50:55] this um uh municipality is asking that um that

[2:51:02] the the the federal government make an apology to for for previous wrongs. And

[2:51:08] I and I you know I understand that and so on. But the interesting thing is that

[2:51:12] when you dig into it, they already did and they did it way back in uh 2017. It

[2:51:18] was acknowledged in the House of Commons and then in 2018 the parliament passed

[2:51:22] that this September 28th was going to be pro proclaimed as BHC day. Um and then

[2:51:29] 20 and that was ahead of 2019 being the 150th anniversary of when they first

[2:51:34] started shipping kids over here um in the in the face of that life would be

[2:51:39] better but in actual fact as as labor, right? So I I was wondering if again

[2:51:45] maybe um I don't know that we need to to ask the prime minister to do anything.

[2:51:50] Stuff's already been done. So I didn't think that we need to necessarily

[2:51:53] endorse their thing. But again an opportunity that this is another

[2:51:56] community. I was a little surprised that they still say when they're modeling the

[2:52:01] numbers that one in 10 of us has a relative that this affected,

[2:52:06] » which is wow. Um, so I I was going to ask if we could proclaim September 28th

[2:52:13] um British Home Children's Day to in recognition of this.

[2:52:18] » Oh, well yeah. So that's the broad my

[2:52:22] broader question then is to the new clerk like how does all of this

[2:52:25] proclamation stuff happen and where do we you know where do we really make a a

[2:52:29] real um complete schedule for our year of of really acknowledging things?

[2:52:34] That's what I that's what I'd like. So just for for Jessica's information

[2:52:41] whether she caught it on the DEI agenda, Council Cape's about two weeks ahead of

[2:52:48] you, I think, on uh or a month ahead of you cuz the DEI committee is looking at

[2:52:52] our proclamations right now and making sure that we're inclusive and and we

[2:52:56] have an appropriate amount. I have ident identified to the uh committee though

[2:53:02] that you know council can't be reading 17 proclamations per meeting. Um but a

[2:53:09] monthly uh a monthly uh input is not uh unreasonable at all. and and I think uh

[2:53:16] once the DEI committee is done with their review um councelor Capes actually

[2:53:21] is working with one of the members on the committee not working with but

[2:53:25] discussing with and uh and I think uh I think it'll help uh it's a it's a nice

[2:53:31] list already. It is a good list and Fred could or Jessica could decide to bring

[2:53:35] it back in its form now or council could wait for uh the DEI committee to have a

[2:53:40] wait for the committee. Yeah, >> we can wait just as these things come up

[2:53:43] and this was a particularly long schedule A, but as these things come up

[2:53:47] on the on our uh radar, it's like, oh yeah, maybe that's maybe that's worth um

[2:53:52] looking at too to be um >> and I think I'll recommend I'll

[2:53:56] recommend to the DEI committee that maybe we set up a maximum. You know,

[2:54:00] eventually something has to give. You can't keep adding can't keep adding.

[2:54:04] So eventually we'll have to give, right? So what's the rotationary uh process?

[2:54:10] » Okay. Well, but this is an interesting thing, too. So, in the in the 4-year

[2:54:13] term, you have four September 28s come up. Like, does every September 28 like

[2:54:19] do do you have to keep declaring it all of the time or is it acknowledgement

[2:54:23] already to be declaring it? So, because I do think then this is this was my

[2:54:28] point about the flags. If you really do embrace everybody for everything, then

[2:54:33] there's more than 365 days in the year. >> Right.

[2:54:37] » Right. And I believe we declare National Public Works Week and we have a few we

[2:54:43] have a few few of them that are repetitive on an annual basis.

[2:54:47] » Um all of them are >> they're all annual.

[2:54:49] » They're all annual. >> So maybe they don't need to be annual to

[2:54:52] have given some to to given >> to have given a entity or a group or or

[2:54:58] you know community whatever to to have been given them respect doesn't

[2:55:01] necessarily mean it has to be repetitive. I think

[2:55:04] » um Elaine. >> So we'll take that back to the committee

[2:55:08] as well, but but Duffren County has a good proclamation process because I've

[2:55:14] used it to ask them to give proclamations for things and then they

[2:55:20] issue a certificate and then those certificates I used to

[2:55:25] post on a specific website to recognize the proclamations that were done. Uhoh,

[2:55:30] there's a rolling eyes over there. I'm so sorry. More work for staff.

[2:55:35] » No, it's just a button. >> But but it's something that we could put

[2:55:38] up on our website on our through our social media.

[2:55:43] It's just a picture of that proclamation about that day. It doesn't have to

[2:55:49] involve a huge thing, but they're easy enough to read at a council meeting.

[2:55:54] Anyway, we can talk about all of that stuff in the DEI meeting. I think you

[2:55:58] might have some support if we included a deputy clerk's day.

[2:56:07] » On that happy note, anything else, Melinda?

[2:56:09] » Oh, that's good. >> Uh, no, that was it on my list. Thanks.

[2:56:12] » Okay, and that takes us to reports of council and staff. Less, anything for

[2:56:18] us? Thank you, Matt. Anything for us? >> Don't we have to pass?

[2:56:23] » We passed it. Let's get schedule A. Uh, >> okay.

[2:56:26] » Yeah. Did we pass schedule A or did we pass?

[2:56:29] » The vote has not been dealt with. >> My apologies. Uh, there is a motion on

[2:56:32] the floor. All in favor of schedule A carried.

[2:56:37] Uh, back to uh staff and mindful that staff at any time can

[2:56:44] reach out to us by way of email to give us uh updates and reports. So, it

[2:56:48] doesn't have to wait until a verbal report.

[2:56:53] Uh Kimberly. >> Okay. Jessica,

[2:56:58] » nothing to report. >> Oh gosh. Uh Fred,

[2:57:02] » I have nothing. Your worship. >> Michael, nothing. Sorry, I've been uh

[2:57:08] might be a little bit ahead of you with the clerk uh discussions I've had with

[2:57:11] the clerk with respect to the verbal reports and uh and I really want uh

[2:57:16] transparency and if it's not on the agenda, the verbal report becomes a

[2:57:21] non-transparent item. Uh so I want staff to reach out to you by emails. Um I

[2:57:27] think it's important and if you see it of a significant uh item that should be

[2:57:32] on the agenda, it should come on as a memo at least on schedule A. Um, I want

[2:57:36] to work continue to work through the transparency side of things and verbal

[2:57:40] verbal surprise reports are unfortunately not transparent.

[2:57:45] » That's a good point. >> Okay. So, no more reports.

[2:57:50] » I'm a bit confused. Mike, what is a verbal

[2:57:54] report? Is that what we're doing? >> Microphone.

[2:57:58] » Yeah. So, so as we work through the process, we'll get through it. It

[2:58:02] doesn't stop council for talking about their day-to-day because the public

[2:58:05] really needs to hear that. But councelor or deputy Nicks does submit minutes for

[2:58:10] his uh and overview documents that go into schedule A. Um what I'm saying is

[2:58:17] if if staff is to talk about a grant that we received it was or or an item

[2:58:22] say wastewater treatment for example with Matt uh wouldn't be it's not uh

[2:58:28] nobody nobody knows it's going to be there and if residents are following for

[2:58:32] wastewater treatment plan updates uh they're going to miss Matt's uh

[2:58:37] discussion and uh Matt can provide uh updates uh via email uh I can provide

[2:58:43] updates via email and uh and we'll work through it. If something's of major

[2:58:47] significance, council will hear about it and if it's time sensitive. Um but by

[2:58:53] not putting items on the agenda, it just it just it knocks down the transparency

[2:58:58] of what we're trying to approve here and and the clerk and I will work with the

[2:59:02] procedural bylaw as we as we move through things.

[2:59:07] » I love it. Uh but I I love it. But it but just the logistically

[2:59:12] if you the email thing is tricky, right? Because you said so if you so if

[2:59:16] something comes up for a staff member what you're suggesting

[2:59:20] and they feel that the council needs to know they would send an email to us and

[2:59:25] then if we thought it was something that needed discussion because we can't have

[2:59:30] a discussion as a group on email because that's not transparent. Then there would

[2:59:35] be a request to put it on. That sounds a little cumbersome. Why don't we just

[2:59:38] make reports B? Everybody has to submit something.

[2:59:41] » Good point. I think that staff is uh is uh staff should keep council informed of

[2:59:48] uh of the daily of the year how they are working through the things. Uh um should

[2:59:54] give periodic updates to council where they are in their capital and stuff. Um

[2:59:58] but if there's a if there is an information item, I believe it should

[3:00:01] come in a short memo. Um and uh and and and and

[3:00:07] what I'm saying is I'm not limiting council's option to say, "Hey, I think

[3:00:11] we should be talking about that item and would you mind?" And then staff can put

[3:00:15] together a short meal >> and and a staff email can also become

[3:00:19] part of schedule A as well. >> Um

[3:00:21] » and then it gives us a chance and it gives the public a chance to raise it.

[3:00:25] » Yeah. Just it just keeps more control on what the public is being told. It allows

[3:00:31] the public to see what is being discussed. Um, and uh, and it's easier

[3:00:37] to to be more transparent that way. So, because I had the pleasure of

[3:00:45] accessing citywide to get my fire permit,

[3:00:50] um I would be interested in knowing how many

[3:00:56] transactions come through citywide from the public.

[3:01:02] I would be interested in knowing what they are because they are because the

[3:01:08] complaints come through citywide too if I'm not mistaken because I had the

[3:01:12] pleasure of filling out five of those. And so um I would be interested in

[3:01:18] seeing reporting coming out of those tools because we now have those tools

[3:01:23] and I think this was mentioned in our service delivery report done a little

[3:01:28] while ago. I would also like to see uh reports on outstanding um property

[3:01:38] uh untidiness. And invon they have a beautiful sign

[3:01:44] that's huge and says it's your responsibility to keep your property

[3:01:49] tidy. I wanted to take a picture of it and bring it here because I was like oh

[3:01:53] yeah that's a good picture. Anyway, no more signs. No more signs. Um but anyway

[3:01:59] that kind of reporting I think gives another level of transparency for people

[3:02:05] to know exactly how much work is going on like you know how many requests

[3:02:11] through citywide are coming through that have to be managed how many customer

[3:02:16] client resident issues are being um forwarded to staff and dealt with just

[3:02:23] anyway I'll leave that for another day but that's my thought council capes

[3:02:28] Just a couple com um comments. Um we're we're definitely in the input data phase

[3:02:34] of city citywide right now trying to get all staff and all departments uh to

[3:02:40] utilizing it. The property standards though is done through an annual uh or

[3:02:44] by by semianual periodic uh report in camera uh to council with respect to uh

[3:02:52] open and close and uh and a detailed report is is given uh with respect to

[3:02:58] the number of complaints I believe in open transparent council.

[3:03:03] » Yeah. Um, so the individual addresses though is done obviously in closed

[3:03:07] session, but uh you'll you'll recall that when I sat as director of public

[3:03:10] works, there were some pie charts in one of my water uh when I was uh trying to

[3:03:16] establish the hiring of new employees. uh we were in the very infancy of trying

[3:03:22] to utilize citywide and and uh public works is definitely the furthest along

[3:03:28] uh in in uh in conjunction with bylaw and uh and uh Cheyenne and and with

[3:03:35] respect to fire permits and everything. Um so those are our biggest data and

[3:03:39] recreation's in its uh in its early stages of uh of starting to uh input all

[3:03:45] the records. Uh, so it's definitely something that the goal, the end goal

[3:03:49] would be to create these pie charts for council to see how many complaints, how

[3:03:54] many are closed, how quickly they were closed or outstanding ones that are

[3:03:58] subject to budgetary or capital uh capital requests from council. Um, but

[3:04:03] yeah, it's definitely the intent and and I think we may be a little premature

[3:04:07] right now with our data entry point of view. Um, but I can definitely speak to

[3:04:11] the directors on how comfortable they feel about kicking out something like

[3:04:15] that for perhaps budget session discussions.

[3:04:19] » That is great. Thank you very much. Appreciate that, staff.

[3:04:23] » Okay. Uh, that comes to our turn. Melinda, anything to report?

[3:04:28] » Well, it's been summer holidays and so there haven't been as many I haven't

[3:04:32] been to a fireboard meeting of either of the fire boards. I haven't been to.

[3:04:36] Tomorrow, tomorrow evening, we do have a um a board meeting at the um Center

[3:04:41] Duffren Recreation Center and there's um our complex and there's there's

[3:04:45] interesting stuff on the agenda. So, no dull moments, but we haven't had the

[3:04:49] meeting yet, so I can't tell you about it. And Rack, we haven't had a meeting

[3:04:53] or an event, though. I did see that RACK has um the advertisements are going out

[3:04:57] if you want to be if you want to have a table at our um Christmas show um the

[3:05:02] RNR in November. But yeah, I don't have I haven't been uh haven't been at any

[3:05:07] meetings, but I'm sure they're going to pick up now.

[3:05:12] » Well, uh thank you. >> Uh two things. I appreciate um Mike. I

[3:05:18] think he was sticking his finger in my ribs a little bit there. Uh on but and I

[3:05:24] do appreciate that uh MPG uh could do with putting out an annual report which

[3:05:30] was sort of summarized everything. I did that at the beginning, but most recently

[3:05:34] I've just been talking every 2 months or so about what's going on. And uh there

[3:05:38] are lots of things going on in the 10 years. In fact, at this moment, there's

[3:05:42] a volunteer appreciation uh day happening at uh the Jack and Gail uh

[3:05:47] Barrett's place. Um so I I'll I'll do a report. I think you're after me.

[3:05:55] Yeah. Unconsciously maybe. Uh >> guilty. I think the uh just a reminder

[3:06:01] that the uh this uh climate action committee's uh green festival will be

[3:06:06] coming up in October. It's on a Sunday, October the um 18th I think it is. Um

[3:06:15] and uh the planning for that going along very well. You'll start to see some uh

[3:06:19] uh posters and various information out there as we're going to do our best to

[3:06:22] make it well known to the community. >> Thank you. Um,

[3:06:28] Elaine. >> Well, as Melinda said, it's summer

[3:06:32] vacation, so and and we don't always meet every month. We meet when there's

[3:06:37] business to do for the the fire department, etc. But I did have a pen

[3:06:42] hack meeting to review the um regulation on large homes, and uh that went very

[3:06:49] well. We're waiting to set another date because we didn't come to the conclusion

[3:06:55] of what we wanted to present to council. So, I believe that uh Simey's working on

[3:07:02] getting us together again soon, hopefully before the end of this term,

[3:07:09] so we can bring something forward. So,

[3:07:15] and >> and I would hope that that any

[3:07:17] recommendation that would uh create a change in our zoning or or official plan

[3:07:24] uh is not going to be held up on things like this because of what's happening or

[3:07:29] not happening at the county. I think we have to we have to go ahead and and uh

[3:07:34] even if it's uh perceived to be peacemeal, there are some big issues out

[3:07:38] there that need to be addressed in terms of planning,

[3:07:40] » right? And hopefully that'll touch on the rural lighting.

[3:07:50] » That picture you sent out, I I I I thought uh ET was going to step out of

[3:07:55] the uh of the blinding light, >> right? It looks like a nuclear power

[3:08:00] power plant. There's a few of those >> or a grow up without the curtain.

[3:08:04] » The grow up. Yeah. the the idea of have that that a municipality can be dark sky

[3:08:12] designated. Have we ever looked into that for for mono? I tried to watch the

[3:08:17] pursade shower that was supposed to be the the best and whatever and I'm

[3:08:22] sitting there like is that one I can't tell. Is that a start? Right.

[3:08:26] » So it is in our site plan control uh zero la line cutoff with respect to dark

[3:08:31] sight compliance. Um so we do have our uh we do have our commercial establish

[3:08:37] and industrial institutional established under that right. Um it was mentioned in

[3:08:43] the largescale homes uh uh report that was provided to uh to council that there

[3:08:50] was a mechanism that may um but it was is it's uh it's it's very staff

[3:08:55] cumbersome uh to um you know a lot of these are constant uh constant uh uh you

[3:09:02] need reviews and peer reviews and and uh and a lot of it is staff cumbersome. So

[3:09:07] it was one of the mechanisms the committee panak is is is landing on a

[3:09:14] couple of options and one of them does include a more comprehensive review of

[3:09:20] building permits um which may capture uh what councelor capes has has identified

[3:09:27] um but with with respect to so that's where

[3:09:32] we are and and I think we we push dark sky compliance but we don't control uh

[3:09:37] we don't control individual rural residents in their in their lighting uh

[3:09:42] right now unless it has a uh property st property standards problem community

[3:09:48] standards unless it has a community standards issue which council will

[3:09:51] remember they adjudicated a uh yes >> a in in chambers uh uh one from

[3:09:56] fieldstone uh from fieldstone um so with respect to the zoning b I've gone

[3:10:02] through the outstanding items on our unfinished business list with our

[3:10:06] consultant planner Uh Deborah's preparing a response with respect to uh

[3:10:11] uh the zoning bylaw housekeeping that we can pick off and that that won't be

[3:10:17] upheld or uh that won't be held up at all by the uh um OP at the county.

[3:10:24] » Great. Great. >> And and we do have this philosophy of a

[3:10:28] dark sky. >> It's always been accepted that that's

[3:10:33] what Mono has. However, and the astrological society of Duffren used to

[3:10:40] come and use the Lloyd Armstrong Park and that area for night sky viewing.

[3:10:46] Can't do it anymore cuz we don't have a dark sky.

[3:10:49] » Well, that's right. Because there is some there is some specific, as you say,

[3:10:53] cumbersome, but a specific designation which we don't which we don't have.

[3:10:57] » Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. We we've uh talked about uh dark

[3:11:01] sky um and indeed a a Milky Way bylaw it was called by Keith Mcnley back in the

[3:11:07] early 90s and I was a big advocate of it and I was a member of the uh uh dark the

[3:11:14] international dark sky society. It was an outfit out of the states but uh that

[3:11:21] didn't result in a bylaw but it did result in changes to uh what we require

[3:11:26] for commercial and industrial properties. which is a good start. But

[3:11:30] now that LED it's, oh, they're cheap, they last forever, I don't have to

[3:11:33] change them. People put them up, they think their house looks great. They

[3:11:36] don't appreciate that they are like education, right? They don't appreciate

[3:11:38] that that they're blinding the people in their kitchen next door.

[3:11:44] » Indeed. Anything else?

[3:11:48] » No, that's it for me. Thank you. >> Okay, Fred, just just one item. In the

[3:11:54] past, I've had people phone me and say, "Does the town of Mono have some bylaw?

[3:11:59] I've got a neighbor with a tree with a branch hanging over my property. Can the

[3:12:03] town do anything about it?" And I've tended to answer, "Gee, I don't think we

[3:12:07] have a bylaw that controls that." But in in those two cases that I remember in

[3:12:11] the last 16 years, it's all worked out okay cuz we've gone to the property

[3:12:14] owner with a tree either dead or with a branch and they they've handled the

[3:12:19] problem. So, no problem. What I have now on my desk is an intractical problem and

[3:12:25] I'm would ask staff or council if you can help me with it. I sure would

[3:12:29] appreciate it. Without naming names or addresses, I did a site visit last week.

[3:12:34] There's a house, small house like this. The neighbor's property is right here.

[3:12:38] The property line is, you know, within 5 ft of the house. How it got approved, I

[3:12:43] don't know. And in the neighbor's property are two large dead, very large

[3:12:47] dead trees. I suspect they're ash trees. the owner with the small house has asked

[3:12:52] the neighbor to do something about those dead trees and the own first of all the

[3:12:55] owner had said he doesn't have the money. I don't know where that

[3:12:59] discussion's gone and I've not talked to the owner of the property with the large

[3:13:02] dead trees, but when I did the site visit last week, I am totally dismayed.

[3:13:07] There there is no way those trees are in such a geographically difficult place.

[3:13:13] Steep bank, river, dense uh vegetation coverage, other tree coverage, there's

[3:13:20] no way a Sawyer can get in there or a truck with a bucket.

[3:13:26] I am going to have well but but to back up

[3:13:30] » and this is where I >> excuse me deputy mayor I'm trying to

[3:13:35] find where this fits in the council agenda

[3:13:42] » this is a private matter >> it's not private

[3:13:45] » about two individuals >> it's not private

[3:13:48] » maybe Jessica would have some comments on that

[3:13:51] » clerk's department for guidance on this is that the property standards bylaw

[3:13:55] does in fact make the owner of the property with the dead trees responsible

[3:14:00] for doing something about it. I I I would ask for guidance on that because

[3:14:03] I've told this person, yes, we do have a bylaw that that is it is is is comes

[3:14:10] into effect in this situation. >> Jessica,

[3:14:14] » if we could suggest to have the resident reach out to staff, we would be more

[3:14:17] than happy to discuss this with them offline.

[3:14:21] » Yeah. Well, but could we in the first instance

[3:14:24] determ I right in telling the owner that we do have a bylaw that comes into

[3:14:31] you've already you've already had email conversations with Jessica Fred and I on

[3:14:35] this matter and I would respect that you have the staff reach out to us

[3:14:41] explain an interpretation of the property standards. Well, that that may

[3:14:46] you may well do that and I will take your advice and do that. But my opinion,

[3:14:50] which I would like to put put in the public domain, is I don't know how the

[3:14:55] heck anybody can go in there and do something about these trees. So, what do

[3:14:59] we do? These trees are threatening the small house.

[3:15:02] » We need we need to encourage the the property owners to reach out to staff.

[3:15:07] Um the the issue of dead trees is frankly a slippery slope in terms of uh

[3:15:14] of um having having uh having them removed from properties, especially the

[3:15:19] ash trees that are dead all over the town. So I think we have to tread

[3:15:23] carefully. >> I just like to point out I this is not a

[3:15:25] private matter between me and an individual. This is a public matter.

[3:15:29] » No, but I think it's a civil matter between the two people that are not in

[3:15:32] the room and that you're discussing right now. It's a civil matter between

[3:15:36] them and it possibly will become a civil matter insurance,

[3:15:39] » right? Like it's it's it's not a solution for the town to right now. Um

[3:15:44] but it is something that the homeowner should speak to staff about.

[3:15:50] » You shouldn't be solving that problem. >> No, can I can I

[3:15:54] » let's let's uh let's uh cool down here. Uh

[3:15:59] » so so that so okay. So just as a removing removing not discussing it any

[3:16:03] further that that is an example of why why the uh our CEO has commented that um

[3:16:11] written reports so that they go on the agenda is an important thing. That's the

[3:16:15] one issue. Then the other issue is what Elaine has just said that that our job

[3:16:19] is not to to um to just pick out one individual's problems and and um heir

[3:16:25] them in the p in the public. So I wonder should we actually if you're going to

[3:16:30] now um encourage mandate what's the right word have staff give a report that

[3:16:35] then goes on to uh our agenda then and we've been appreciating the reports that

[3:16:41] we've been getting all along for this term from the deputy on the CBC when you

[3:16:46] get the mayor the thing though it's only ever um addressed to gentlemen um which

[3:16:53] is a joke um and when we had a one from the monopo a pollinator garden. It was

[3:16:58] good. How about if we like do that now? Have if there's something that's on your

[3:17:02] mind to bring up, we put it in writing before the meeting and then it can get

[3:17:07] vetted by by um the clerk whether it's appropriate to go on the agenda or not

[3:17:12] and then we can have a have a a conversation. The the difference between

[3:17:17] staff committing uh their reports to writing and counselors committing their

[3:17:22] reports to writing is the uh temptation of a back and forth between members of

[3:17:29] council that then got it gets construed as a a a meeting outside the council

[3:17:35] chamber. I think we still need to have oral reports,

[3:17:40] » but that doesn't that doesn't and I think I think the CEO's comments were

[3:17:45] restricted to how staff communicates with us, not how we communicate with

[3:17:50] each other. >> Okay. Yes, I exactly what you said. I

[3:17:54] agree with it, but that's not what I was saying. They the point

[3:17:57] » Sorry, our clerk has her hand up. >> You do.

[3:18:01] I was just going to note that this would be a good conversation during the

[3:18:04] procedural bylaw review. >> Yes,

[3:18:07] » good idea. >> Good idea. Except in the So, in the

[3:18:10] meantime, the but but the whole point of the that you bring up something randomly

[3:18:15] on on a on in a in a in an oral report, then it's not written and then not all

[3:18:22] of our residents watch to the very end of our meeting to hear our reports.

[3:18:26] Right? That was where I wasn't saying that we should have a discussion in

[3:18:29] writing, but that if it's in writing, it then is in writing.

[3:18:32] » Yeah. >> But sure proced by something really

[3:18:35] exciting at the end of our meeting so that they stay at the end.

[3:18:38] » Stay in. Yeah. I don't know that we can control random

[3:18:43] » to my report. Random. Uh I attended AMO. I was not successful in getting elected

[3:18:50] to the board. I lost by just a few votes. Um there were six people running

[3:18:55] for four positions. Uh surprisingly low turnout, like really shockingly low

[3:19:01] turnout for the board positions. Uh and uh the the board positions may reopen if

[3:19:08] any of the four successful candidates are not reelected in October. So that

[3:19:14] then creates another opportunity for people who just barely lost uh to uh sit

[3:19:19] on the on the board. Um the it's hard to say a lot of really great

[3:19:27] things about their format. Um there were some good sessions. Uh there were some

[3:19:33] good sessions that unfortunately were talking heads and did not involve

[3:19:37] participation of the audience which I thought was was regrettable. Um the

[3:19:43] premier's major announcement actually had to do with the funding of of sports

[3:19:49] um uh enterprises. Uh and I don't think that it it precludes uh funding of of

[3:19:56] the kind of thing that we were talking about earlier. I could be wrong on that,

[3:20:00] but um that literally was his major announcement.

[3:20:04] » $500 million. >> Exactly. And uh so um it you know it was

[3:20:10] worthwhile. Uh made some good contacts and it's my first AMO in uh two years

[3:20:19] and that's all I have to report.

[3:20:24] I >> ask a question.

[3:20:25] » Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Do you think AMO's losing its steam?

[3:20:32] » That's why I ran. I do. I do believe that. I I think they they have lost

[3:20:37] their effectiveness as an advocate for the municipal sector.

[3:20:40] » Right. I agree. >> So, uh

[3:20:44] » lunch break. >> Okay. So, I think this would be a good

[3:20:47] point to uh take our lunch uh returning at 1:00 sharp for our in camera. And

[3:20:54] that's the the uh other than the confirming bylaw. That's the balance of

[3:20:59] our meeting.

[3:21:02] » So, we'll return at 1:00.

[4:01:25] We are back live.

[4:02:57] Yes, Andrew has uh expelled the individual from the uh meeting.

[4:03:05] » Welcome, Jeff. >> Um, your worship, we should just wait

[4:03:09] for Andrew to confirm that we're not streaming live. Okay.

[5:07:52] We are back live. >> Yes. So, good afternoon again. Um, I

[5:07:56] have a motion that we rise from an inc camera session uh at 7 minutes past 2:00

[5:08:03] uh p.m. and direct town staff and the town solicitor to proceed accordingly.

[5:08:07] Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by Deputy Mayor Nicks. Any opposition?

[5:08:13] Seeing none, uh, notices of motion. Um, as, uh, indicated, I will be bringing a

[5:08:20] notice of motion to, uh, uh, retain a, um, a voluntary historic properties of

[5:08:26] interest database at the next meeting. Any other notices of motion?

[5:08:31] » So, was that a notice of motion, your worship, or that's just you're telling

[5:08:35] us you're going to bring a notice of motion?

[5:08:37] » No, I'm going to bring a motion. >> Okay. So, that was the notice of motion

[5:08:41] for consideration at the next meeting. Okay. Could Could I be so rude as to ask

[5:08:45] you to repeat that? >> The actual

[5:08:47] » I'm going to I'm going to bring a a motion. I'm giving notice now that I'm

[5:08:52] going to bring a motion at the next council meeting to uh uh retain or

[5:08:57] create a um voluntary historic properties of interest database.

[5:09:08] Any other notices of motion? Uh, seeing none, I have a motion that we introduce

[5:09:13] and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to confirm the proceedings of

[5:09:16] council of the town of Monono in session 13-2026

[5:09:20] held on uh, August 25th, 2026 that it be signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and

[5:09:25] engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Councelor Magdalo uh,

[5:09:30] councelor Capes. Any opposition? Seeing none, I have it's passed. I have a

[5:09:36] motion the council adjourn this meeting at 9 minutes past 2 uh p.m. Um,

[5:09:52] no I have I have a different wording here. It's a new it's a new wording.

[5:09:56] Jessica, I'm confused before >> through you. Um, we just added the next

[5:10:02] meeting date, the next regular council meeting for information.

[5:10:05] » Okay. And I miss I misregulize it's regional. Um, so we're adjourning at uh

[5:10:12] 10 minutes past 2 to meet again for uh the regular council meeting on September

[5:10:17] 8th, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. uh or at the call of the mayor. And uh do I have a mover?

[5:10:24] Councelor Capes, seconded by Councelor Davey. Uh no no opposition. The motion's

[5:10:30] carried. Thank you very much everyone. >> Thank you.

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