[0:02] This conference will now be recorded

[0:07] » now 6 o'clock and it is my distinct Oh yeah, sorry. It is now 6 o'clock and

[0:12] it's my distinct honor and privilege to call to order the regular town council

[0:15] meeting of August 24th, 2026 for the town of Surfside Beach. Please stand as

[0:20] we begin with an invocation from Mark of Discover Church.

[0:27] That's right. Father, what a privilege it is to uh

[0:32] come before you to this evening on behalf of this gathering, the people

[0:36] gathered here. I thank you for the leadership of uh this town council. I

[0:41] pray that you would bless them

[0:49] for all those that are gathered here that you would bless them in this time

[0:53] that uh that uh just give them a a sense of understanding

[0:58] uh that they would know the love of Christ in this place. That they would

[1:03] know that uh that you've made a sacrifice for every single person in

[1:07] this room, Lord. and uh and that they would come to know you in that way if

[1:11] they don't. Father, would you bless this time? Would it be uh would it give you

[1:16] honor and glory? And uh would you would you help it to be fruitful and to

[1:22] accomplish all that it needs to be done? Your word tells us that you've provided

[1:25] everything we need for life and for godliness. And I pray that it would be

[1:30] so during this meeting. And as you do that, we'll give you praise because we

[1:35] ask it in the powerful name of Jesus. And everyone said, "Amen."

[1:39] » Amen. >> Amen. [clears throat]

[1:42] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[1:48] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:54] justice for all. >> I thank you very much.

[2:02] » I will now entertain any motions related to the agenda.

[2:07] All right. Hearing none, we'll move on to minutes approval.

[2:12] » Mr. Mayor, >> I

[2:13] » I move that we approve the minutes for uh August 10th, 2026.

[2:22] [clears throat] >> Second.

[2:23] » Any discussion? All in favor?

[2:26] » I opposed. None. Motion carries and meeting uh minutes are approved. We'll

[2:32] now move on to public comments related to agenda items only.

[2:38] All right, I see no public comment, so we'll go into communications. We'll

[2:41] begin with the uh sled uh presentation from Mr. Ryan Cummings, uh lead cyber

[2:47] threat intelligence analyst. >> Mr. Mayor, I be in two minutes.

[2:51] » We will wait two minutes.

[2:55] » No, I don't think we want to do that. You know, you're not going to do the

[2:59] administrator's report in two minutes, right?

[3:01] » I can. >> You want to [laughter]

[3:04] go ahead. Go ahead. Do give me a free Mr. Mayor and council. Um, couple

[3:11] updates for you. Uh, the bids for the courthouse count council chamber project

[3:15] were publicly opened on August the 11th. There were five bids received from the

[3:19] opening day. The price ranged from 4 million to 4.5 million including

[3:25] contingency. The apparent low bid is BEC construction out of Merles Inland. Um,

[3:31] Creek and Associates will verify unit costs, check references, review with the

[3:36] owners of similar projects, and then report back to council on September the

[3:40] 8th on the September 8th agenda. The budget for this project was $4.

[3:46] » Secondly, the purchase of the land with the public works complex, we closed on

[3:50] this property on August the 17th. The next steps for uh director Adair and um

[3:56] director Roder is to reszone the property to PL public land sending

[4:02] planning commission for their review as it relates to the comprehensive plan.

[4:05] Selectively remove the tree canopy engineer and design the new building.

[4:10] The proposed building will match the existing buildings for a building size

[4:13] of 120 ft by 25 ft and the budget for this project is 250,000.

[4:20] And lastly, with the approval of the contract with Bolton and Ming, staff

[4:23] will begin coordinating a kickoff meeting for the public to attend and

[4:27] give their input for the morning field master plan. And then you have the HR

[4:32] report attached. >> Thank you. Any questions, comments for

[4:35] uh Mr. Vincent? [clears throat]

[4:38] » Yeah, I guess I have one. >> Um, so the bids came in between four and

[4:43] four and a half million. Um, did that include the soft costs of furniture and

[4:48] that sort of thing? That does not include the soft cost. So, we've been

[4:51] going on through that for last week. So, we're adding up the solve cost to about

[4:56] 280,000. >> Okay. Um, and how much do we currently

[5:01] have in the the the fund to to to do this?

[5:05] » So, our total project was $4 million that we budgeted aside.

[5:09] » But how much do we actually have? Right. >> I don't have that number with me.

[5:12] Listen, >> are you you're going to cover that?

[5:14] » We budgeted four million. We'll have to come back to council.

[5:17] » Okay. Um because we're also John's building. We have to we're looking at

[5:23] doing that as well. Correct. >> We already budgeted that.

[5:25] » Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> All right.

[5:30] I I got a question couple of questions. So would you explain the contingency

[5:34] portion? >> Yes. So the actual bid price was

[5:38] approximately 3.8 and I believe I sent you guys their contingency on their

[5:42] project was like 198,000. Contingency is any error or of unit cost per the bid.

[5:50] So there may be some unit costs. By the time they do the implementation and

[5:54] building of this project, those costs may have gone up. So that contingency is

[5:58] ours. If they don't use it, it goes back to the town.

[6:01] » Okay. And then um so with the uh reszoning and planning commission uh

[6:07] their review to the comprehensive plan um we're looking for that in the next

[6:12] meeting or so >> as soon as we can get the advertisement

[6:15] we'll put on the next agenda for >> Okay. They meet September 1st I probably

[6:18] the October meeting. >> It'll be October.

[6:20] » Okay. Okay. Uh and then uh assuming we get that uh go ahead. Um what do we

[6:29] target the uh tree clearing and uh property clearing and the building to

[6:35] start? Is that going to be going on this uh in the winter season?

[6:39] » Probably November, December time. >> We could start. We we underbrushed it on

[6:43] Saturday. There's nothing in the PL designation that's used for the

[6:48] district. So nothing's going to stop us. It's more of a formality than anything

[6:52] else PL because the use is allowed in the district. So, we're just going to do

[6:57] the clearing, then we're going to do the fencing, and then we're going to bid out

[7:00] the building. So, that'll put us into the winter, probably.

[7:03] » Okay. Okay. So, probably December, maybe January before starts. Okay. All right.

[7:09] That's all I have. Thank you. >> Anybody else?

[7:11] » Yeah, Mr. Hi. >> Yeah, I have a few questions, but

[7:14] they're about the HR report. >> Um, first one is on full-time employees.

[7:19] I'm wondering if it would be possible and not a lot of work to break that out

[7:23] by department instead of just for the whole town.

[7:26] » That would be fun. >> Okay. Thank you on that. Um and then on

[7:31] the back page highlights it says launched a new employee assistance

[7:34] program effective July 1. Is that something that the town council needs to

[7:40] review and approve or is that just something that's done in house?

[7:44] » It's an employee assistance program. So is it's a part of the medical health

[7:48] benefits we have which is changing from one group to another.

[7:52] » So we don't the council doesn't have any role to play in that change.

[7:56] » Not the AP. Yes sir. >> Okay. Um and then

[8:05] I had a question of uh it says here implemented pay study results and

[8:09] recommendations effective July 5th. I was just wondering how the costs of that

[8:13] new pay study are tracking with the original estimates.

[8:20] » What we budgeted is exactly the pay study.

[8:22] » So it's Oh, okay. So it's tracking perfectly then is the answer.

[8:27] » Yes. >> Okay. Thank you.

[8:31] » I've got a second. Nobody else has a first.

[8:33] » Anybody else? >> Just Laura. Go ahead.

[8:35] » Okay. Kind of related to the pay study. Um, we we've talked about this two or

[8:39] three times, but at one point we discussed a 2 to threeyear plan for the

[8:45] older employees or the longerterm employees to try to help get them a

[8:49] little closer to where they should be. I know we didn't do a lot of it up front

[8:53] because of the cost and that kind of thing. I just I just want to make sure

[8:56] we don't lose the bubble on that. You know, I I because I'm just concerned

[9:01] that there are guys that have been here 20 25 years and and they really didn't

[9:05] reap the benefit of this pay study thing.

[9:08] » We're not going to lose sight of that. I mean, basically maybe a six-month review

[9:12] just to see what the cost would be to hit those higher employees that were

[9:16] been here the longest. >> Okay. Well, and maybe for the budget

[9:20] next year, you know, see what we can do. I I understand it's probably going to be

[9:23] a two to threeyear process. Um, I just want to make sure we don't forget it.

[9:27] » Right. I think we need to set guidelines. So, is it 20 years or more

[9:31] or is it 15 years or more for those employees?

[9:34] » Okay. All right. Thanks.

[9:38] » All right. With that, we'll move on. And uh, is Mr. Cummings here now?

[9:42] » Yes. >> Come on up.

[9:50] » Where you guys want me? There you go. Right. Right here. [laughter]

[9:55] Okay,

[10:00] » got it. Um, I made a [laughter] presentation. Uh, I mean, I don't

[10:03] necessarily need Oh, you guys have to print it out. That's perfect.

[10:08] » Do you need a copy? >> No, I don't need one.

[10:10] » Unfortunately, I've talked about this so many times.

[10:15] » Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes.

[10:17] » Is the presentation going to be projected for the audience?

[10:21] » Doesn't sound like he has a projection of it. I have um a copy of it on USB

[10:25] drive, but that could work. >> We don't have a laptop.

[10:29] » We don't keep a laptop. There we go. >> All right, let's do it.

[10:33] » You're super laggy. >> All right. [laughter]

[10:36] Okay, we'll take a minute.

[10:47] » Is this on? >> Yeah,

[10:51] it's probably not on. Oh, really?

[11:33] Good job. >> Good job.

[11:40] I just got a notice to make sure all council members, everybody speaking the

[11:44] microphone when we're speaking. Some of it's not being picked up too well.

[11:50] [clears throat]

[11:57] Okay. I hope everybody can see it, but if not,

[12:00] I'll do pretty good job of [laughter] just kind of explaining it and breaking

[12:04] it down as to how it happens. And some of the pictures are kind of just there

[12:07] to look at and they're not necessarily for a major purpose. Um, but I'm here

[12:12] today to talk about how payment fraud affects South Carolina organizations.

[12:15] So, um, I work for SLED and I work for our critical infrastructure cyber

[12:20] security division. Uh, we deal with payment fraud almost once a week at this

[12:25] point. And so, what I'm going to do today is kind of break down how it

[12:29] happens, the different ways bad actors are doing it. and um just kind of shed

[12:33] light on the situation and at the end kind of not necessarily give my

[12:37] recommendations to the town because I'm not sure exactly how it's done but how

[12:40] the recommendations that we give pretty much any organization that this happens

[12:44] to and it's pretty simple just you know extra verification

[12:50] so um what we do at least my organization is we provide security

[12:54] services and disseminate cyber threat intelligence to South Carolina's

[12:58] critical infrastructure we facilitate the cyber leazison officer

[13:02] program which is essentially we have contacts at all these organizations we

[13:07] support and we work with them to kind of better their cycle programs. We lead a

[13:12] lead a task force that's comprised of federal and state partners. I'll kind of

[13:16] go over that in the next slide but generally um we're here to improve the

[13:20] overall cyber posture of South Carolina.

[13:25] So this is the task force. It's um bunch of state federal organizations,

[13:30] Department of Administration. We work really closely with the Department of

[13:33] Homeland Security, the FBI especially on a lot of these cases when it comes down

[13:37] to prosecution and actually the Secret Service. Um they are the ones we

[13:41] primarily pass these cases to and they handle a lot of the prosecution aspects

[13:45] of it. So um to start off with how payment

[13:49] fraud works, I decided to go over like the most common scenario that we see

[13:52] birds and um that's when a vendor who works with an organization or you know a

[13:58] statement surfite has one of their email accounts compromised. So what's on the

[14:02] screen right now is an email that was reported to us from one of the cos one

[14:08] of our partners at an organization around the state. They sent this to us

[14:12] and said hey we don't not really sure what's going on here. We looked at it.

[14:16] Um, we verified that this email came from a legitimate vendor that they did

[14:20] the organization did work with. Um, one thing we found particularly interesting,

[14:26] um, the email was right. It went to the right person at the organization. The

[14:30] invoice had pretty much all the correct details on it. The right amount, what it

[14:33] was for. The only thing that was different was the phone number and the

[14:37] email signature. They changed one singular digit. So, when they sent this

[14:41] to the procurement person at the victim organization, they tried to call the

[14:45] number and they didn't get anything. Um, and so they did that intentionally. It

[14:49] was just a broken phone number that led to nowhere. And so, the idea with these

[14:54] is they got into the vendor's email, they just revise the invoice, and then

[14:58] they sent it to the organization in hopes that they would pay it. And that's

[15:01] the most common scenario that we see. Um, outside of that, there's another

[15:07] pretty common one. um they'll compromise the vendor, right? They'll get in there,

[15:12] kind of perform reconnaissance, you know, like analyze who the person they

[15:15] compromise emails, who they work with, and they'll take that information and

[15:20] then they'll create an email address pretty similar to the one that they

[15:24] compromised and use that email the correct contacts and with fake invoices

[15:29] trying to get them to pay it. Um, another really common one is vendor

[15:35] spooping. So that's pretty much kind of like I just said, but without a

[15:39] compromise. So the actual vendor doesn't get compromised whatsoever. So I um kind

[15:43] of did an example and kind of went over like how could this be done at SLED and

[15:47] kind of just break it down for everybody.

[15:50] So SLED in particular in the state, they have the division of procurement

[15:54] services. So it basically shows pretty much every state contract and the

[15:58] vendors that work with the state. So I just went there first and looked at

[16:01] state term contracts. Um, digital fingerprinting was one that stood out to

[16:06] me. It's real small, but I put in a red square there. Um, because that sounds

[16:09] like something that sled would do, digital fingerprinting. So, I was like,

[16:12] okay, I mean, that's something I can kind of put myself in the mind of a

[16:16] thread actor or somebody who's looking to perform fraud. So, I went and looked

[16:21] further into digital fingerprinting and the actual project name. Um, so the

[16:25] state actually says this is for sled use only. So, the state pretty much just

[16:30] gave out, okay, Sled has a digital fingerprinting project. Um, they also

[16:35] gave the name of the actual person that SLED is working with and the vendor who

[16:40] sled is working with. So, if you're at a you can already start to get the wheel

[16:44] spin a bit. We know Sled works withia Identity Solutions and we know that they

[16:48] talked to a guy called J Truit at Idemia. And nothing against this company

[16:53] or anything like that. It was just a random. Um, so now that we have all this

[16:57] information together, we also have the contract end date and the contract start

[17:01] date. In this case, it ends in 2029, so they're likely not going to use this

[17:06] one, but I imagine the end date is in a couple weeks from now. So, next, they

[17:10] can create an email. And this was just messing around to see if this would

[17:13] work. Um, I created my email address. It looks pretty similar to the actual one.

[17:18] I emailed procurement with a fake invoice. And I use the email signature I

[17:23] just created. It looks pretty official. I um used the actual phone number of

[17:27] this guy, but I just changed it by one digit. And I took a picture off of

[17:31] Google and put it down in the corner. And what we have here is a pretty

[17:34] legitimate email, the one for procurement that would probably get our

[17:38] own procurement team if I'm being honest. Um it was well put together and

[17:42] it took practically 5 to 10 minutes of research. And so, I mean, I go over this

[17:47] purely just to show how easy it is. I mean, it takes pretty much no skill. I

[17:52] mean, just sit down, do some research, and then send out emails. So, imagine if

[17:56] you're a threat actor and this is your full-time job. You can send out hundreds

[18:00] of these per day. Um, and yeah, you're bound to get successful with one or two

[18:05] of them. So, the next thing that we see, it's

[18:09] still kind of along the lines of payment fraud. Um, it doesn't relate to any

[18:13] vendors actually. So, this would for example be something that would affect

[18:16] like certified users in particular. So, um, we see these things all the time.

[18:22] They're called credential harvesters. They're essentially a login screen

[18:26] that's designed to look legitimate. So, it's designed to look like the actual

[18:30] Microsoft 365 login screen. And so, attackers will send these in fishing

[18:34] emails. Users will enter their enter their credentials into it. And then the

[18:38] attackers can basically control their account. And skipped over a few steps

[18:42] there, but so we see that that's a step one. and um instead of like pretending

[18:47] to be a vendor, performer reconnaissance, they'll just use that

[18:50] same account and go straight into the self-service portal or wherever they can

[18:55] change the direct deposit, whether that's emailing HR or there's actually

[18:59] like a portal like I have on the screen here. And now they'll simply just change

[19:03] the direct deposit information. [clears throat]

[19:05] And um one of the main things we see is we kind of mention this to so IT people

[19:11] and people we work with share this with their HR or finance or accounting is

[19:16] that pretty much all these directors are using a thing called green dot bank. And

[19:20] this is a picture of direct direct deposit form. Um, it's something that we

[19:26] see even in those vendor compromises that they're still using green.bank.

[19:31] We tried to look into it, but for the most part, they're hard to subpoena and

[19:35] kind of track down. And if this stuff isn't reported within like one to two

[19:39] days, the money has already moved like three different hops. So, it makes

[19:42] prosecution and tracking these people down very difficult for the law

[19:45] enforcement side of things. So, that's where my organization comes in. So, my

[19:49] team, we don't prosecute, we don't subpoena, we don't do anything on the

[19:51] law side. or purely cyber security. So we try to then help help organizations

[19:56] reduce fraud risk. And [clears throat] the biggest thing and the best thing

[20:00] that helps in all these situations is just general process and policy

[20:04] controls. Um we would encourage any organization to require mandatory

[20:08] verification for all payments or vendor banking changes. Um verify requests

[20:14] using a known phone number on file. Um, we saw in my example and the other one

[20:18] that happened in real life that the phone number they had put in the email

[20:21] has been changed. So, you can't just call the one from the email. You got to

[20:24] enforce out of band confirmation. Basically, have the number on file and

[20:28] then call that number to verify if you're speaking to the right person.

[20:33] Um, similar to policy is just access and oversight. Um, there shouldn't be like

[20:36] five different people at an organization that can um modify like invoices or

[20:42] direct deposit. you know, it should always go through a two-step

[20:44] verification process. And finally, and the reason I'm here and

[20:49] the reason I do these talks pretty much everywhere, is just training awareness

[20:52] to let people know that this is a thing that's happening all the time. And um we

[20:57] always recommend using a real world example like I did here, just showing

[21:00] how easy it is to do this type of thing and how common it genuinely is. I think

[21:04] over like the last six months, we've seen close to two to three million

[21:08] dollars lost on this type of scam. Um, and that's affecting people and users

[21:13] from like weekly salary to major projects that organizations have sent to

[21:18] the wrong person. Um, that's the NI slideshow. Sorry. Um,

[21:23] but I'm happy to answer any questions that the council or anybody else has.

[21:28] » All right. Thank you, sir. Any questions for Mr. Cummings?

[21:32] » Sure. Mr. Lawhart. Um on the second slide uh there's this you talk about

[21:38] disseminating cyber threat intelligence through through this critical

[21:42] infrastructure set. Yeah. How does that stuff get disseminated down to the

[21:45] municipalities?

[21:49] » There's a couple ways. Um we're we have close relationships with the

[21:52] municipality association um which they're a partner and we send them stuff

[21:57] and we kind of hope that they hit the organizations that aren't currently

[22:01] members of our program. Otherwise, it's kind of a anybody can join our program

[22:05] and if you join our program, we're sending you stuff constantly. Um, we try

[22:09] to build awareness by just going to events and speaking and advertising as

[22:12] much as we can, but it's hard to get every single municipality or school

[22:16] district or government entity in South Carolina. Um, there's no like law

[22:21] enforcement that we have to say that you have to join. It's purely optional. And

[22:24] so, I mean, I think a lot of organizations that don't fully

[22:27] understand what the program's about are like, "No, we're good in cyber security.

[22:31] We don't need it." At the end of the day, it's it's information sharing. So,

[22:35] » yeah, it's an ongoing process that we're trying to get it out and trying to

[22:38] increase our reach. But, >> and Jerry, do we participate in any of I

[22:42] mean, are are we getting this type of information?

[22:47] » We're members of MUN Association. >> Yeah.

[22:50] » And if we're not, what do we need to do to do that?

[22:52] » Well, right now, we've asked Heritage to kind of put some training above and

[22:56] beyond what you guys see on your computers,

[22:58] » right? Because because my concern I mean he said it u the threat changes all the

[23:02] time right you know mos change all the time so what we might fix the problem a

[23:06] problem from before and not be aware of the upcoming problems or things that are

[23:11] on the horizon. So that would be my concern is that somehow we tap into the

[23:16] intelligence side of things that's out there and that we develop a training

[23:21] program that actually matches that. So I don't know how we do it but um

[23:26] » but also the finance department the employees are a part of the government

[23:29] finance offices association so they have seminars on this all the time which is

[23:34] the most upto-date what's going on now with cyber crimes. All right. And then

[23:41] um and this is probably a question for you all. Um the

[23:47] slide right, but basically the recommendations on how to do this. I

[23:51] know we've I know we've made some a lot of changes and I also know you've got an

[23:54] upcoming briefing here to talk about another way to help fortify what we're

[23:58] doing, but the the bullets he has here about how to reduce fraud risk. How much

[24:04] of that has been incorporated into what we're doing currently? Well, it's going

[24:09] to be a part of uh Melany's uh cash and distribution policy. I mean, that's

[24:15] that's been updated to um Right. >> Yes.

[24:18] » But yeah, no, but I Yeah, I know that. I guess my question is [clears throat]

[24:22] he's got some reasonably specific recommendations in here um for how to

[24:27] reduce risk. I I just want to make sure that we're we're taking the best of what

[24:31] we can get to to update our process. >> Yes, we'll look at this and match it to

[24:34] our new policy. >> And then lastly, the training and

[24:36] awareness. Um, I know you guys are looking at that. Um, I to me that's the

[24:42] most important part of this is us understand what to look for and that

[24:47] gets back to the intelligence part and it gets back to training. So, I would

[24:51] just strongly encourage we take full advantage of whatever's out there today.

[24:54] » Yes, sir. >> Yeah. I'm I'm going to add to that and

[24:58] say that uh um if SLED is working directly with MASC

[25:04] that we make sure we're taking advantage of every bit of information that comes

[25:09] through that that channel. >> And then um uh for Mr. Cummings, you

[25:15] know, as I'm looking at how you reduce fraud risk, uh mandatory verification,

[25:19] known phone numbers, uh out of band confirmation, uh etc. It really, if I

[25:25] could summarize this, slow everything down. Don't respond to the urgency.

[25:31] » Yeah, that's nail on the head 100%. Almost all the time, this happens when

[25:35] somebody is overworked, moving too quickly, and does something they

[25:39] probably wouldn't normally do if they had the time, just sit there and wait a

[25:43] minute and think about it. You know, it's

[25:45] » and that would that I believe that was a factor in our in our case. We were

[25:48] responding to urgency uh repeated requests uh for payment. So, um, yeah.

[25:55] So, that may, uh, anger some of our regular, uh,

[26:00] contractors, but just too bad. We're just going to it's going to take an

[26:03] extra week or two or whatever, >> and we're going to deal with it. I mean,

[26:07] is that doable on our end? >> Oh, yeah.

[26:10] » Okay, >> that's all I have. Thank you.

[26:12] » And then one thing just on that topic, um, this presentation, I made this six

[26:16] months ago before any of this even happened at Cerside. this this continued

[26:21] to be such a relevant thing that so literally none of this really has

[26:25] anything to do with the particular incident that happened here but it just

[26:28] applies in so many different ways and different things that we see that keep

[26:31] happening so it's not a single out search this presentation was entirely

[26:35] about that it's just unbelievable how often this happens

[26:38] » I appreciate it but you know and kind of the shoe fits kind of deal so you know

[26:43] we get it m >> I have got a question and my question is

[26:50] how come you can't keep tracing the money when it gets out? What what

[26:54] happens that it gets gone and that you can't trace that money?

[26:59] » Yeah. So, it's kind of a complicated process and it's kind of interesting

[27:04] because the people who are actually doing this are not the same people that

[27:07] are handling the money. Um, I'm not the best at this because I don't do much of

[27:11] the money aspect, but there's people in the United States and they're called

[27:15] they're in our industry referred to as like money rules. So they basically

[27:18] launder the money for these out of state. Most of these people are either

[27:22] in Eastern Europe, Russia, um name of choice, but they have groups of people

[27:28] who specialize in moving money. That's all they do. And so they're able to once

[27:32] they hit a bank account, hit another bank account. And who knows if those

[27:35] bank accounts were created by the threat actors or they were just compromised

[27:39] other bank accounts. So these the money before it hits its final place is going

[27:44] through three or four different places and then being transformed into

[27:47] cryptocurrency which is even harder to track. Um and it just moves so fast. Uh

[27:52] this type of thing will get reported to us when the organization gets reported

[27:56] to by the vendor. So like three months later the vendor is like hey where's the

[28:00] money? And the organization says we already paid it. um then it's reported

[28:04] to us and by that time the money has hit five different bank accounts has been

[28:07] converted into two different cryptocurrencies and

[28:11] is God knows where. Um that said we've had luck in prosecuting these people and

[28:15] actually taking these people to court but it needs to be reported within like

[28:19] the first two to three days or the money is pretty much lost. And the banks are

[28:24] doing their best, too. I we work with them to kind of make them aware of what

[28:26] it looks like. But there's just so many ways that people are getting around it

[28:30] and being creative with it by using actual real people's bank account to

[28:33] funnel money through it. And that person has no clue what's happening or there's

[28:37] just so many different ways to get around it and they move quick. And it's

[28:40] like as soon as we adapt and we figure out the way they're doing it, they're

[28:43] already on to the next one. The money is the hardest part. like we

[28:48] can track the cyber part pretty simply and like understand that this is how

[28:51] it's happening but the money is is still working on it.

[28:58] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hyatt, >> yeah, I have a few questions. You said

[29:02] you were training this kind of information six months before the hitman

[29:06] occurred in Surfside Beach. What did we miss that we didn't get that training?

[29:11] How should we what did we should have been a part of in order to have received

[29:14] that training six months earlier? Yeah, the um the our South Carolina critical

[29:19] infrastructure cyber security program. And I mean, you know, understanding that

[29:23] and coming here, I realized that we probably need to do a better job of

[29:26] getting word out there and recruiting, you know, towns and organizations to

[29:29] join our program because it's not just on search. If this information never

[29:33] crossed certainly is not their fault that this information didn't get to them

[29:37] and help them soon. >> I'm not trying to say it's anybody's

[29:39] fault. I'm just wanting to know how we could have been a member and gotten the

[29:43] information six months previously. I mean, yeah, to become a member, you just

[29:47] I mean, contact anyone. We have a public website where you request to join the

[29:51] program and you fill out a form and it's as easy as that. You're getting invites

[29:54] to our webinars. You're getting emails about free cyber security services. Um,

[29:59] you're getting bulletins sent out to you and we see this type of stuff happening.

[30:03] It's pretty Yeah, you just signed up on the website and um it's scic.sc.gov

[30:08] up and there's a request to join form, but I'm pretty sure at this point Town

[30:13] Sera has joined the program. >> Okay. Um,

[30:18] there's a SLED was a lead agency in this investigation, not our own police

[30:22] department. They turned it over to SLED. We at some point should get a report,

[30:28] you think, since we're the victim of what uh SLED has determined. How do we

[30:33] get that report? >> Um, that's something I can take back to

[30:36] my team. So, I wasn't the one who like firsthand investigated this case or

[30:40] anything like that. So, um I can go back to the mask and we'll see if I can get

[30:44] you guys something or at least a write up of what we found exactly.

[30:47] » Okay. And then um I have a question on how this how this criminal works. So,

[30:54] the criminal is outside the system. Does the criminal

[30:59] enter the system with the vendor or does he enter the system with the payer or

[31:06] does he enter the system with the vendor and then go to the payer? How do they

[31:10] enter the system? >> Everything you said is an opportunity

[31:14] for them. So yeah, they can enter with the vendor and find out who the vendor

[31:18] is working with and I mean that's usually the most profitable route for

[31:22] them because the vendor has multiple different customers paying them and they

[31:25] can pretend to send new ones to each of those customers or they can get into the

[31:29] actual victim's network, right? Understand who they're going to be

[31:32] paying pretty soon and then create a new email pretending to be that person.

[31:36] Exactly. I mean there's just multiple routes for it and all it takes is one

[31:39] compromised email. >> So to answer your question, all of them

[31:44] All the above. >> Yeah. Every single case it's we've seen

[31:47] it with the victim organization, the vendor or somebody who just Googled who

[31:51] the organization works with. I mean, it's all of them.

[31:55] » Thank you. That's all I have. Mr. Mayor, >> Mr. Mayor Sean, [clears throat]

[32:00] » Mr. Hy brought up a good point as far as how do we get involved in this sled

[32:04] training? Um, and I don't want to assume that we're already doing this. Are we

[32:10] doing this? Are we part of this train? We have not joined the sled program, but

[32:14] we will. >> Okay.

[32:17] Thank you.

[32:21] » Thank you, Mr. Cummings. >> Thank you. I'm here happy to speak to

[32:25] you guys. I love service many times. [laughter]

[32:30] » Thanks for the plug.

[32:34] » All right, we will uh move back to our director's reports. Well, we skipped or

[32:38] we did the administrator's reports. We'll begin director's reports. So, uh,

[32:42] Director Guber, kick us off.

[32:58] » [clears throat]

[33:02] » Good evening. Um, we're reporting on the month of July and of course July is a

[33:08] beginning of a new fiscal year. So, at this point, you're going to see the

[33:11] trend will be that our expenses are higher than our revenues until tax bills

[33:16] go out. We start receiving that tax. Um, in July, we had 32 new businesses.

[33:24] um nine in town, 12 out of town, six contractors, and five rentals. Um for

[33:30] accommodations tax, we don't see the first quarter of that until about

[33:34] October, November time period. And then for hospitality and local aid tax, the

[33:40] first two months of what the um county sends to us gets back prior year because

[33:46] it's prior year money. And then same with June, what we collect in June for

[33:50] hospitality locally tax gets approved back to June. Um, sorry, what we what we

[33:56] collect in July gets approved back to June. So, right now, you'll see that

[34:00] there's no no revenue really yet for hospitality and tax. Um,

[34:07] for capital projects, I just put a little reminder of what the projects are

[34:11] for this fiscal year. We're um doing the road paving.

[34:16] uh Martin Park master plan, the Fuller Park pickle ball courts, um finishing

[34:22] the floral clubhouse renovation, sidewalks, we started the life cycle

[34:27] maintenance program for all our buildings, and of course the court and

[34:30] council chamber building. Um storm water collected 18,000 through July. There's

[34:37] no major projects at this time. So we are approving that money for the next

[34:42] big project. Um on the enterprise funds uh we had 74,000 in operating revenue

[34:48] and of which 36 of that 74 was for parking and then um expenses are 16,000

[34:56] for July. Sanitation revenues are 277,000.

[35:01] Our expenses are 76,000. And then our parking for July is 111,000

[35:09] and our expenses are 1.4. Um the investment pool the interest rate

[35:16] remains consistent at 3.9 which is good. Um

[35:21] so basic overview during the month of July the finance department works in two

[35:25] fiscal years. Um we work throughout August to collect prior year revenues

[35:31] and pay prior year expenses to acrew back to June to complete fiscal year 26.

[35:37] Um the finance department also has a very been very busy collecting the data

[35:41] and answering questions for the audit. Um which they were there last week. So

[35:47] so we've been answering lots of questions. Uh everything's been going

[35:50] great with them and that's all I got. >> All right. Thank you very much. I think

[35:55] the uh July report is always kind of skinny.

[35:59] » It is. [laughter] >> It's kind of hard to to draw any

[36:03] conclusions at this point. Are there any questions, comments for director

[36:06] Groover? >> Mr. Mayor,

[36:08] » go ahead. Sean, go ahead. >> Um, under the

[36:12] uh the first page, you said five rentals. Are they new rentals

[36:20] or are they just rentals? >> They're new business license rentals.

[36:25] » They're new. >> Mhm.

[36:30] Is that when like somebody sells their rental and then there's new like change

[36:34] of >> Yeah. So they bought something, they

[36:36] decided to rent it out or maybe they already own it and they've decided, hey,

[36:39] I'm going to rent this out. [clears throat]

[36:42] » Thank you. >> Hi. Um, under capital project fund, I

[36:49] [clears throat] think all the projects that you've listed are funded in the

[36:53] budget. Is that correct? >> Yes.

[36:54] » Okay. And um under sanitation fund operating revenue

[37:00] is 277,000 while expenses are 76,000. That makes

[37:05] John a dare look like he's skinning a fat hog. Is that really the

[37:10] [laughter] >> especially since we had an increase?

[37:12] » That's the whole point of an increase is to start gaining that fund balance again

[37:17] for this fund so it can sustain itself for the next 10 to 13 years,

[37:22] » right? Um, and then under parking, parking revenue is 111,000, expenditures

[37:29] are 1.4,000. That's $1400. Is that really correct?

[37:33] » Mhm. >> Wow. Okay. Thank you.

[37:35] » That's just for July. >> Thank you.

[37:40] Others, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Co. Um, the enterprise

[37:45] fund for the year, we're getting 36,000 parking. That makes it only 38,000 from

[37:52] everything else. >> Yes.

[37:54] » That's like rent and stuff. >> Yeah, that's your um rents, your um

[37:59] fishing revenue. Um any kind of events there,

[38:05] binocular revenue. >> Wish you had a bigger parking lot.

[38:09] [laughter]

[38:12] » Same amount of money for people parking to come here and get from the roots.

[38:16] That's Thank you.

[38:22] All right, then. Thank you, Director Guber. We will now move on to the fire

[38:26] department report with Chief Nelson.

[38:35] Good evening. Just want to let everybody know that we have 42 personnel currently

[38:39] in the fire department. Of those 42 personnel, 18 are career and 24 are

[38:44] volunteer and 24 volunteer. We have roughly 16 that are interior

[38:48] firefighters. Uh so we've changed that around quite a bit. Uh we do have one

[38:52] opening currently at this time. It's for a firefighter paramedic position. Uh we

[38:57] fill that position that will give us two paramedics on each shift which will help

[39:01] us in the long run. Um lastly, uh PA fire incident uh that we've been doing

[39:07] the collections and stuff. We collected another $250. That gives us a grand

[39:11] total so far this year, 2,870 fire inspections that we started going

[39:16] for. We have $6,900.

[39:20] » Thank you. I'm going to break my own rule and it's not part of your report,

[39:23] but what happened? >> Uh, bicep tore off, so heard.

[39:28] » Okay, maybe I shouldn't have asked. [laughter]

[39:34] » All right, I'm done already, Mr. Sty. Go ahead,

[39:37] » Chief. the money that you've been collecting on this uh accidents and

[39:42] whatever you doing. Yes, sir. >> Do you know how much you got in that

[39:45] fund now? >> I would say anywhere from 8 to 10,000,

[39:49] but I don't have a direct number. >> Are you still planning on building a

[39:54] train facility out here? >> Yes, sir.

[39:56] » Are we have we got enough money to get started on that?

[40:01] » No, not yet. >> Okay. Uh, I've gotten a couple estimates

[40:05] and we're looking anywhere from 250 to $300,000

[40:10] to build the whole system. Uh, you got to figure all these they're

[40:16] conx boxes. That was what we used. Uh, they all have to be fabricated. Uh, we

[40:21] have to have a welder come in, cut it, join the boxes together. uh they have to

[40:26] build stairwells in there, uh water piping systems and uh quite a bit of

[40:31] work goes into building that. Um the gentleman that I got the one bid from is

[40:35] the one that does Merles inlet Myrtle Beaches he did not do counties county

[40:41] did their own. They had a welder that worked for them at the time.

[40:45] We couldn't do it in stages. Uh there is two stages that we could do. One is

[40:49] 250,000 and then additional is 100,000 added on.

[40:53] » Oh, we're talking [laughter] >> just to burn it down.

[40:56] » I hear you. So, so we're at 20,000 roughly. I would

[41:00] say that we got 10,000 20,000 somewhere in there that we've collected over this

[41:05] last.

[41:08] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Wall could ask a question. This would include Mel

[41:12] Melanie. Oh, hello. I got my Melanie. We are keeping a separate bucket for him so

[41:18] he can >> We're keeping this money separate.

[41:21] » Yeah. >> You said that I remember when we talked

[41:23] about it like a year ago. >> We wanted him to have we didn't want him

[41:27] to have to collect it, but we did want him to have a place

[41:30] » where where we were holding it for him >> so he could keep up with it separate

[41:34] from any other. >> Okay. Just double check. Thank you,

[41:38] » Mr. Mr. Hi. Chief, I have a question on the number of calls volunteers were

[41:44] dispatched to chart. For example, on the left side it says volunteer ID number 74

[41:51] responded to one call, but on the right it said volunteer ID number gave zero

[41:57] hours to the department and then 52 uh right below it ID number 52 says

[42:04] responded to 28 calls and yet they're not even listed over there on the right

[42:08] side. So, am I misinterpreting this? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[42:11] » So, hours are different from response calls. Um, so we have some volunteers

[42:16] that aren't listed in this as a part of operations. They collect hours. Um, so

[42:20] they would help out when we do uh public affairs and stuff like that and they get

[42:25] counted with hours as far as that when when the call volume that's an actual

[42:30] they get a call, they don't get hours per se for that call volume.

[42:34] » Very good. Thank you. Appreciate it.

[42:39] Mr. Coleman, go ahead. >> I see you have 30% of your calls on

[42:44] cases of illnesses and stuff. >> Yes, sir.

[42:46] » Um, any word from County about the

[42:50] ambulance? >> Uh, I go by Cypio Lane a lot. There's

[42:55] two ambulances in that uh in the bay there.

[42:59] » One's a spare. >> Okay. So, they have a spare there. So,

[43:03] » it's not manned or anything like that. The only thing that that ambulance is

[43:06] used for is if that another ambulance has go out of service, they go there,

[43:10] pick up that ambulance, and jump into it. You know, it blows a tire or engine

[43:15] or whatever the case is. So, >> I was just hoping that

[43:20] we're just keeping that Senate over press, you know, on that.

[43:26] » Oh, well, Mr. Mayor.

[43:31] Anybody else? >> Go ahead, Mr. Walls. That's just an

[43:34] interesting observation on Harry's comment. When we hear that that

[43:39] countywide we're 48 ambulances down >> and they got

[43:44] » that's where it's not that they don't have the equipment. It's that they don't

[43:48] have >> you got to figure if if they're covering

[43:50] 1,200, 1100 square miles, they got to have so many spare ambulance and they

[43:54] have spare engines and everything else. Yeah. And that's where they house them

[43:57] at and stuff like that. Unfortunately, hiring paramedics is kind of difficult.

[44:01] Uh, you know, we're starting at 51,000, Merles Inlet starting at 61,000, then I

[44:06] don't really know what county is starting at. Um, you know, so it's it's

[44:10] uh getting a medic anymore is very difficult. One of our one of our

[44:14] captains is planning on going to med school, which is awesome. We're very

[44:18] excited for that. Um, if we can send some more people through, we glad we do

[44:21] that, too. >> If I could, that's like the top of the

[44:25] fireman ladder, isn't it? That's >> before you go into administration.

[44:28] » That that's the top as far as EMS side of it.

[44:31] » Okay. >> Yep. Next thing after that would be

[44:34] probably a physician's assistant, a nurse, and going into the hospital.

[44:39] » Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you.

[44:43] » Any others? >> All right. Thank you, Chief Nelson. We

[44:47] will move into the communications report with Mrs. Maul.

[44:51] » Good evening, everyone. >> Hello. Um, okay. So, um, pretty proud

[44:59] that we've hit 50,000 followers on Facebook. So, yay us. Um, we have

[45:04] interviews for our new position. Uh, those have begun and they will continue

[45:09] over the next week or so. So, we're excited about that.

[45:14] um our summer events have um wrapped up for the season, but just remember that

[45:21] we still have the same things that go on during our fall months as well, which is

[45:26] Music and Memorial Park, Farmers Market, and then the Arts and Crafts Market. And

[45:33] then we're getting really psyched about the the summer fireworks festival, which

[45:39] will take place 5 to 9 at the pier. Um, and then just wanted to give you a brief

[45:45] update. You guys have all this information in your packet. Um, but uh

[45:52] just to kind of give you a little update from our logistics meeting. Um, so the

[45:57] pier indeed will be closed and that's the pier from the gate to the end of the

[46:03] pier. That's going to be closed all day for the fireworks festival for our

[46:07] safety. Um and then our pier businesses will be allowed to remain open all day

[46:15] um after the fireworks have been loaded onto the pier. So um and we plan on

[46:22] loading in around 6ish um that morning. So everybody's safe,

[46:27] our businesses are safe, our uh town people are safe um and then our visitors

[46:33] will be safe. So, um, that is a wrap up of those event details. I think our next

[46:40] meeting is on Wednesday. And that's all I have for you.

[46:44] » All right. Any questions, comments?

[46:48] » Mr. Coleman, um, why is all the summer events backed up?

[46:56] » Kids are not in school.

[47:01] Some of the kids aren't in school yet.

[47:04] » I understand. Yeah, we we roll on the the general school schedule.

[47:11] » Family game then we still could do that. >> Um, you know, I'm again remember when I

[47:16] was going through this, I was going through some tests, right? So, what I

[47:20] would say to you is I find a very strong opportunity for the community family

[47:25] game nights. Um, if I and I haven't baked it all yet, but

[47:31] if I had to say I would back it up a little bit like around 6:30, 7:00

[47:37] u, mom and dad go to the pier village, they have dinner or downtown businesses,

[47:41] whichever they prefer. Um, and then we start some support. So, we had a start,

[47:45] stop, continue with um, a meeting for that. So, we've got some pretty good

[47:49] ideas that are on my dry erase board. I'm asking was um we were trying to

[47:56] extend get more tourists here, >> right?

[47:59] » And I came down to come to the gation here and I found

[48:04] out two weeks ago you had a holder show had a got craft

[48:10] drop in you had the family game going how do we chop li?

[48:14] » Yeah. >> Yeah. The the Yeah, I understand. But we

[48:19] are working on some different things that I think will work pretty well for

[48:23] us. >> Huler and Fire Dance show, they're the

[48:26] ones who said we can't do it anymore. >> Correct. This they are back to school.

[48:33] The pos saying maybe they not do it at 8:00 at

[48:37] night. Could they do it at 6:30 or 7 o'clock?

[48:40] » Yeah, just throw it out. >> Absolutely. There's a lot of

[48:42] possibilities out there. There are still a lot of people up north.

[48:48] Bad word to say. [laughter]

[48:55] » Yeah. Large. >> So all those families are still coming

[48:59] down. >> Sure.

[49:01] » It would be great if we have something for them.

[49:04] » Absolutely. And I would I totally agree with you. We need to capture that

[49:08] audience. >> Thank you. Um, I actually got a question

[49:12] for the administrator and not to be a bad guy, but are we allowed to have the

[49:18] fireworks displayed on this end of season

[49:22] or council have to vote on this because it says

[49:26] um supposed to be 30 days prior.

[49:31] Town council will authorize public displays.

[49:34] » No, sir. A year ago, the uh the town attorney had indicated that that section

[49:38] does not apply to the town. Does it need to be changed? It does to so that it's

[49:44] » it's clear. So, it's not very clear, but it does not pertain to town council on a

[49:48] county event. >> Just want to make sure.

[49:50] » Yes, sir. >> And uh can we work on making it clear?

[49:54] » Yes, sir.

[49:58] » Mr. Mayor, >> I'll just in a minute, Mr. I just want

[50:02] to add because I I brought this up with the administrator and Mrs. Mo not too

[50:05] long ago and uh because we did go through this discussion last year and we

[50:10] need to clarify it and uh unfortunately we had the event and we just moved on

[50:15] and nobody said go back. So we've all made notes that we're going to clarify

[50:20] this thing for before next year. Mr. Hyatt has also weighed in on it. So

[50:24] yeah, we should be uh much better going forward. And with that, Mr. Hyde, go

[50:27] ahead. Um, not to complicate things, but I noticed there's some vacant spots over

[50:33] here, >> Mr.

[50:34] » There's some vacant spots over here. Um, does that mean that we're not going to

[50:39] have a full-fledged vendors this year or is it just

[50:42] » We We don't have a full-fledged vendors on the fireworks festival. That is 12 to

[50:49] 14 total is what we do. Everything we do is in that parking lot area. So, one of

[50:55] the start, stop, continues that we learned last year is we were really

[50:59] crowded in that little space and I know most of you guys were there. So, again,

[51:04] you're always testing things to see how they work. So, it makes better sense for

[51:08] us to have fewer vendors, more space for the public safety.

[51:13] » Very good. Thank you. >> You're welcome, sir.

[51:15] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. understand it. >> Uh we we we [clears throat] sort of back

[51:20] to the 30-day prior notice for fireworks. So, we actually did that

[51:25] because, you know, if you really think about it, because we uh voted on this at

[51:31] budget time and approved it back then. So, it has been voted on and approved.

[51:37] » Yes, sir. >> Prior

[51:40] for this. Yes, sir. >> That's I just want to clear that up.

[51:44] » Thank you. Mr. Mayor Sean,

[51:49] » um, you know, you have reported also that like the t-shirt sales that we we

[51:56] always make a profit out of that even though we have some left over. Are we

[52:01] going to do a sale thing? >> Yes, we are.

[52:05] » Never mind. >> We're having to end a summer sale for

[52:08] sure. Yeah. Okay. >> Mr. Mayor, if I get a second,

[52:13] » Hang on. Anybody else? Go ahead, Mr. Hyde.

[52:17] » Is there a chance our town could order some more hats that say Surfside Beach

[52:21] on them? >> They are on the way.

[52:22] » Thank you. >> You got it.

[52:26] » All right. With that, thank you, Mrs. Maul. We will now move on to the public

[52:29] works report from director Adair.

[52:35] [laughter] >> Good evening, mayor and council and

[52:37] citizens. Public works for July and our sanitation division. The uh summer

[52:42] rollout program is going to be going off uh out of effect after September 12th

[52:47] and back to our winter schedule. Uh again, I mentioned last month the new

[52:51] sanitation rates approved by town council are in effect as the bill

[52:55] everybody got August 1st. Hopefully you all got that.

[52:59] » Yeah, thanks John. [laughter] >> We voted for that.

[53:03] » Yeah, that was took a lot of doing with Grand Strand Water and Sewer to do that.

[53:07] Uh uh I'll comment that [clears throat] our next household waste e-waste drop

[53:11] off event is going to be on September 11, 12th, and 13. It's not in the

[53:14] report, but I fig I'd start talking about it so everybody can put it on

[53:18] their calendar. U Mr. Hyatt mentioned earlier the

[53:23] sanitation expenses. You're going to see a new sanitation trucks coming in in a

[53:27] couple weeks and you're going to see a big expense on the expense side, the

[53:30] sanitation fund. So >> and a Mercedes outside.

[53:33] » That'll be good. [laughter] That'll be good. No, it's just a garbage truck.

[53:35] It's a side loader. Uh so that'll bring that extend side up a bit. Uh in our

[53:41] streets and drainage division, uh I'll just highlight which isn't on here

[53:45] either. Our beach reourishment remobilization is taking place this

[53:49] week. As most of you know, there's some pipe still on the beach. Plastic pipe.

[53:53] They're going to float that off into the ocean. They're going to cap the ends of

[53:55] it and that'll be the end of it. And the whole beach will be open 100%. So I

[54:00] still get calls about it. I'm sure you guys get calls about it. Uh but during

[54:04] the demobilization, all the sand has been pumped already. There's no more

[54:07] dredging going on and we're just waiting for them to completely get all their

[54:10] stuff off the beach and they'll they'll be followed by sand fence installation

[54:14] by their subcontractor after that. So that won't close any beaches, the sand

[54:19] fence installation. Uh in our grounds division, we installed a new water

[54:24] fountain over a park playground. in our uh fleet maintenance division. In

[54:29] July, our mechanics completed 83 repairs on town vehicles and equipment and 16

[54:33] vehicles had prevented maintenance of drugs. Anybody has any questions? I'll

[54:37] be happy to answer them. >> Mr. Mayor,

[54:40] » Miss Sean, >> you said now with all the the dredging

[54:43] on the beaches completely done, when will the new signs get implemented on

[54:49] the beach? >> Once the sand fence goes up, signs will

[54:51] go up. >> Right. Thank you.

[54:55] » Yeah. Mr. Mayor, >> Mr. [clears throat] Stamy,

[54:58] » uh, as everybody knows, we received a thing today about skateboard down here,

[55:05] and y'all want to inspect that. Make sure it's safe.

[55:08] » Yeah, this is not part of the report. >> We should not be getting into these, but

[55:14] yeah, it's not part of the report. >> Sorry, John. I mean, that's what we're

[55:20] supposed to stick to. >> Thank you, Miss Medina. I I asked her to

[55:27] keep me on on task. >> Mr. Mayor, if I could.

[55:31] » Mr. Walls, >> just a quick question.

[55:32] » Absolutely. >> I don't recall seeing exactly what, but

[55:37] I'm just curious. What does one of those blue side loaders cost us?

[55:42] » Almost $500,000. >> I believe

[55:46] looks like a real expensive piece of equipment.

[55:48] » Yeah, they're about 260 when I started [laughter]

[55:52] half million perow. Thank you. Yes, sir.

[55:58] » Any others? Thank you, Director. Thank you. We will now move into the police

[56:04] department report. Chief Mickel,

[56:11] evening, mayor, council, citizens. So, for uh July

[56:26] 1,767 calls for service broken off initiated from year to date. We wrote 93

[56:32] citations, made total of 30 arrests in July and 19

[56:38] of those were arrest warrants which are listed there.

[56:46] You look at the index crimes, I don't see anything out of the ordinary or

[56:50] cause or concern there. Um, and then the card activity.

[56:58] This is year to date. Again, 10 citations, 37 warning citations, 14

[57:02] accidents, five of which are injured and pretty notable events. Uh,

[57:15] We responded to an unresponsive incident at a residence and upon arrival officer

[57:18] administrative life saving measures and were able to revive the child. The

[57:22] incident was referred to child protective services who investigated and

[57:25] took appropriate action. I believe that the next uh

[57:30] council meeting myself and the fire department will be recognizing the

[57:33] officers and the fire department personnel that were involved in saving

[57:36] that child. officers also responded to a stolen

[57:40] vehicle that was stolen from a tow company and fled the scene and caused a

[57:45] bunch of damage when it was leaving. We were able to work with some other

[57:48] agencies and find that vehicle and issue some charges for that subject that broke

[57:53] and stole the vehicle and of course we all

[57:58] participated in Fourth of July events which were really great and we had a

[58:02] great time doing it.

[58:06] » Any questions? Any questions, comments for Chief Nickel?

[58:09] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Walls, >> if you could please. I've been getting a

[58:13] lot of uh inquiries as to the the latest golf cart activity that we've had. One

[58:20] of them wasn't in our town. Another was in our town. If you could just for the

[58:24] good. Seems like the residents are awfully interested in those

[58:28] » Yeah. >> certain activities. And if you

[58:31] » I know it's a July report, too, but there's been a lot of activity in August

[58:33] with golf, too. So, I'm just going to It's probably more what they're talking

[58:36] about. >> Uh, yeah, we've had enough a lot more

[58:40] golf carts in town and we've had I think we had total

[58:44] » uh five accidents in August just itself. Three three were golf carts, two were

[58:49] LSVs. So, we've seen an increase in August just as well. So, um, of course

[58:56] they'll be in the August report, but forget about it now because we're

[58:59] talking about it. So, yeah, there's a lot there is a lot more golf cart

[59:03] activity in town. Um I think maybe only one of those was at night. Um

[59:08] still there access during the day. Two of those I think were injury. So yeah,

[59:12] there's there's been um but I I think the countyy's seen it as well too. Um

[59:17] I just I think there's a lot of variables involved. Um I actually did

[59:21] rank some numbers. Um been an increase since last year of 21% of of accidents

[59:27] involving golf carts. Um but the prior year before that was an increase of 27%.

[59:33] So I don't know if that correlates with but I think there's just a lot of

[59:37] variable. There is the new law that was passed. There is population growth and

[59:42] then there's also huge increase in golf sales and rentals. We've seen them

[59:47] spring up all over the county as well. So I just think there's a lot of

[59:50] interest in golf [clears throat] carts and LSVs and a lot more people are

[59:54] getting them and so we're just seeing a lot more of that activity as well.

[59:58] I got someone called me today and and asked where so I wanted I I think I

[1:00:04] clearly told them but if you could just for the record and everything there was

[1:00:08] a fatality. >> Yeah, it was not within Surfside.

[1:00:11] » No. Right. >> Right. Not within town. It was out just

[1:00:13] outside of town. Uh but there was a golf cart accident with a fatality. I don't

[1:00:17] know a lot of the details. It was high patrol I think was the primary

[1:00:21] investigating agency. And as far as we can tell, there's no ties to sid victims

[1:00:26] as well. Yeah, it happens. I mean, we had a major injury.

[1:00:29] » Yeah, I mean, we did have injury accident here as well around the same

[1:00:32] time. >> Not nearly as serious, but

[1:00:36] » and alcohol was involved in that when we got here.

[1:00:40] » Thanks, Miss. >> I'm kind of be curious to understand

[1:00:46] these accidents with the golf carts. Is there any way we can find out if it how

[1:00:53] many are from rentals compared to owners?

[1:00:57] » I'd have to go back to each one and run the see the problem with the golf cart.

[1:01:02] I mean can do with LSVs very easily with golf carts. They don't have place. So

[1:01:07] » um >> any reason why

[1:01:11] » I I won't be able to get exactly accurate numbers but I can probably get

[1:01:15] some approximations on that. Any reason why I'm asking is since the accidents

[1:01:21] are going up, should and if they are on the rental side, should the rental

[1:01:28] companies do a better job educating, you know, people come down here for vacation

[1:01:34] and they rent and I see them all over town and the rentals, I can guarantee

[1:01:41] you no, I haven't seen that many where they put children

[1:01:47] in the seat belt. but they either choose not to or they're not aware of the new

[1:01:53] law. So, um it's just something to think

[1:01:57] about. I don't want you to go like [clears throat] can't tell you what to

[1:02:01] do in other words, but it'd be curious to see if it was from the rentals and

[1:02:07] then we could walk back and get the rental company to educate the people.

[1:02:11] » Yeah, I know the rental companies are I even posted on the rentals. The laws

[1:02:14] posted on the rentals. have any quite ordinance there have to do that we

[1:02:19] haven't seen anybody not complying with that

[1:02:25] people don't pay attent pay attention to a lot of those labor warnings I guess

[1:02:29] you know and you know and again that's why we keep

[1:02:34] these records and we go back and analy too I mean now some of these numbers

[1:02:39] next year and we can maybe pivot to and come up with different enforcement

[1:02:42] strategies for uh compliance with some of these while we you know we can find a

[1:02:47] way that we can try to reduce these numbers uh focusing our enforcement

[1:02:51] enforcement techniques so it's learning experience for us as well

[1:02:58] » Mr. Mayor Mullman. >> Yeah, I'd like to go back to the uh golf

[1:03:01] cart accident when someone was, you know, seriously very Was that an

[1:03:04] accident or was it the person fall out of a cop car?

[1:03:09] » Meaning it was Did they hit something? >> Well, for it was an LSV. It wasn't a cop

[1:03:14] car. So, it would have been allowed to be on at that time, but it was at night.

[1:03:18] » Yeah. So, car call with a different name.

[1:03:20] » Right. Right. But I was correlating with the law. So, let's say that the the we

[1:03:23] hadn't changed the law. You guys had not changed the law. LSD still would have

[1:03:27] been out. could have legally been out there.

[1:03:29] » I get that. >> There was a single vehicle alcohol valve

[1:03:31] and the passenger fell out. >> So I know the driver was arrested.

[1:03:37] » Correct. For >> DUI also arrested for person getting

[1:03:40] hurt with an accident. Yes. >> Never hit anything cuz she fell out of

[1:03:45] the golf car. >> Correct.

[1:03:47] » Was she drinking out out of duration? >> Uh we don't have any toxicology yet, but

[1:03:52] it's the officer the officer. >> The investigation revealed that alcohol

[1:03:56] she most So this was more an alcohol incident than a golfart in but still

[1:04:02] classified in a statement as an accident was a motor vehicle.

[1:04:08] » But the cause was somebody drinking while driving.

[1:04:11] » Correct. >> And most probably the passenger was

[1:04:14] probably had a couple too many and fell out of c.

[1:04:18] » That's it. >> So that could have been a bicycle, could

[1:04:20] have been a wagon, could have been anything else and the person probably

[1:04:22] would have got hurt. just trying to make the point that it didn't really have

[1:04:26] anything to do with a power. Thank you. Oh, I got [laughter]

[1:04:33] the sauce went up from from two from last year to five

[1:04:39] now. Is that real assaults or that was a report? I don't I don't understand

[1:04:45] the report. So these are actually um

[1:04:50] the crime data that the report Yeah reported. So we just had five more

[1:04:56] reported. It doesn't mean that there were five actual assaults. We arrested

[1:04:59] five people for assault. That just means those we got those are the reported

[1:05:03] monthly crimes. So we received five reports of it. If you want to go back

[1:05:08] and look if you go back and look out of those five reports I think we have one

[1:05:12] assault that actually occurred and probable cause. So in essence, we only

[1:05:17] had one assault. We had five calls. >> Five reports and then we could only

[1:05:22] » a report meaning somebody called that said there was somebody way down and

[1:05:27] said there's somebody getting >> right. We we responded five um calls of

[1:05:32] classified assaults >> and only one

[1:05:34] » and only one resulted in the charges.

[1:05:39] if we can get that instead of I mean I was a rookie. Someone ran up to me so

[1:05:46] I just got robbed. I just got robbed and I called all the troops to come and

[1:05:50] basically what it was is they were sitting on the bar and she went into the

[1:05:54] bathroom and someone took a couple of dollars out of her apartment. That

[1:05:58] wasn't a robbery. So the true number I I like the true number. I don't care how

[1:06:04] many people misal.

[1:06:08] I'd rather have the real number. We have x amount of assaults from this this

[1:06:13] month to last last year. >> Well, you have that though. So, you can

[1:06:17] see what the calls we responded to that fall in those categories. And you can

[1:06:20] look over and see see if you look at domestic violence too. There's two

[1:06:23] there. So, now that I'm looking at that, you know, that might have been three of

[1:06:27] the five. Those domestic violence could have been assault. Of

[1:06:32] course, some of those disorderly conduct officer could have said, "Hey, you know,

[1:06:35] those other ones aren't actually an assault to disorderly conduct."

[1:06:39] So, we report we responded to five calls that were classified as assaults and

[1:06:43] then go back and look at arrests that correlate to that,

[1:06:49] possibly [clears throat] three assaults. This is two domestic violence.

[1:06:52] » Yes. >> This is a necessary assault if there be

[1:06:57] harassment or >> well the domestic violence has to

[1:07:01] include an assault. So there was three assaults.

[1:07:04] » Hi Mr. Mayor. >> He does.

[1:07:09] » Okay. Mr. >> I think Chris wanted to go.

[1:07:15] » Sticks out on here. There was an arson. Could you tell us what happened?

[1:07:19] That was yeah um there was third fourth of July

[1:07:24] and there was some alcohol involved in a incident inside a house and uh there was

[1:07:31] a fire and the fire marshall responded with our detective and they conducted

[1:07:35] the fire cause of origin investigation and

[1:07:40] determined uh where the fire started in the house. That's underneath fireworks

[1:07:44] and we're able to determine who was responsible for that in the house. Okay.

[1:07:49] Um, a couple other questions. If you receive more than one call for the same

[1:07:55] incident, how do you count that? You count that like let's say you receive

[1:07:59] five calls for an incident. Is that do you count it as one? Because that's one.

[1:08:03] » Just one. Okay. Um, >> because we responded to that one

[1:08:06] incident. >> And then I'm wondering,

[1:08:10] we don't have a handle here on town council of anything that really happens

[1:08:15] on our beach. is do you oversee the lifeguard services? Do you know what's

[1:08:20] going on on the beach? >> So, we don't oversee lifeguard services.

[1:08:23] That's a private contract. I oversee the uh

[1:08:29] beach ambassador program which patrols the beach. And all of their statistics

[1:08:33] are right here in the report as well. You can see

[1:08:35] » I saw those. >> Yeah. And then we have we break it down.

[1:08:41] Yeah. That's how we we keep everything on a beach.

[1:08:44] Um, now what be Now what the light guards do that [laughter] doesn't

[1:08:50] » so we don't have any information if they're rescuing anybody. We don't

[1:08:53] really know it >> unless they call for help.

[1:08:55] » Unless they call for >> assistance.

[1:08:57] » I have to ask is that correct? Yes. Unless they call for EMS or fire then.

[1:09:03] » And another question I have sometimes they have to shut down the beach. How do

[1:09:07] we know are people complying or we not do we have a problem there? you know, we

[1:09:11] we're kind of blind to this kind of information.

[1:09:13] » So, when the weather conditions cause for the beach to be shut down, they shut

[1:09:18] that down and then no one complies, then they'll call us. So, nobody complies.

[1:09:23] So, as you'll remember, a couple months ago, maybe gentlemen wouldn't comply

[1:09:27] with swimming by the pier. >> Yes, I remember fire department brought

[1:09:31] them to the shore and we >> arrested him,

[1:09:33] » took them to jail for not complying. So, um I think you'll hear about any, you

[1:09:37] know, vast majority of people comply um with the life.

[1:09:43] » Yeah. And then there's an ordinance if they don't comply, that's a violation of

[1:09:46] the ordinance and we can enforce it. >> Uh one last thing, I just like to make a

[1:09:50] comment to the officers that helped revive that child. Congratulations to

[1:09:56] them. >> You you'll have that opportunity the

[1:09:58] next day. >> Good.

[1:10:00] » Looking forward to it. Mr. Mayor,

[1:10:03] » Mr. St. >> On these 37 warrants on the golf cart, I

[1:10:07] mean warning citations on the golf carts, you have 37 warnings. What kind

[1:10:13] of warnings is that for? Kindly give me a kindly an idea what just warnings 37

[1:10:20] warnings. you stop or got part any of the any of the ordinance or state

[1:10:26] law violations that the officer determine that

[1:10:31] well lack if you stop a golf cart and a child is in safe would you give them a

[1:10:36] warning >> probably not

[1:10:38] » would your depends on the circumstances would your officers give a warning

[1:10:44] » it depends on the circumstances I can't really get into the kind of scenario

[1:10:48] » what you're saying but it is it's It's within their It's within their uh

[1:10:53] » Well, it's that with legal discretion to do so, but

[1:10:56] » would they do that? Probably not. They probably would give a warning for that,

[1:10:59] but I can't say that. >> Just a lot of warning tickets being

[1:11:04] given out for 10 citations and 37 warnings. I mean, that's a lot

[1:11:12] difference. Just a lot of warnings. People get a lot of warnings. The

[1:11:16] warnings don't go too far. I've had some myself. [laughter]

[1:11:23] » I'm telling you. Well, there you go.

[1:11:29] [laughter]

[1:11:38] » Well, I mean, we do try to get compliance through education if we think

[1:11:41] that'll work. If we don't think it'll work, then we issue citations and if you

[1:11:44] get the warnings are all documented. It's not like you just get a verbal

[1:11:48] warning. If you if I give you a warning tomorrow today and you get stopped by

[1:11:51] another officer tomorrow, it's in the system. He pulls it up and runs you. He

[1:11:54] sees you got a warning for it. You're not getting a second one.

[1:11:58] » He's curious. >> He is. [laughter]

[1:12:02] » And now I know you're not getting any

[1:12:06] break. >> Mr. Mayor, if I could just

[1:12:10] » hang on, let me see anybody. It's just you and me that haven't said anything

[1:12:13] either. >> Go ahead, Mr. Wall. I just wanted to

[1:12:15] clarify something with Chief Nelson and and you all back [clears throat] back in

[1:12:21] the day when I worked the beach. Um, our procedure was if we pulled anybody out

[1:12:26] of the water, we had to call you guys in to clear them. I mean, we we're

[1:12:32] certified lifeguards, but we we're not medical professionals. Correct. We

[1:12:36] should be calling for an ambulance if they poke somebody out.

[1:12:38] » So, I wanted to clarify that. That's still a procedure here. They if they had

[1:12:43] to do any kind of life-saving rescue, they've got to include you once they get

[1:12:47] them to the sand. Well, well, if they can get them to the sand.

[1:12:50] » Yes, sir. >> Okay. That's that's so we know about it

[1:12:54] from your report. >> Correct.

[1:12:56] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[1:12:59] » All right. With that, thank you uh Chief Mickel and Chief Nelson.

[1:13:02] » Thank you. Uh we'll now move on to planning, building, and zoning. Director

[1:13:05] Broer

[1:13:13] Good evening, Mayor Council members of the public.

[1:13:19] I want to try to hit the highlights here. Um,

[1:13:23] the second reading of the tree ordinance will be coming to you soon. As you know,

[1:13:27] we're refining the section on fines versus penalties, and we've got that

[1:13:33] ironed out, I believe. So, that will be coming to you

[1:13:37] uh on September 1st. Uh the planning commission is going to be holding a

[1:13:40] public hearing on two items. One on locational controls or I should say

[1:13:45] further locationational controls for storage and additional conditions to

[1:13:50] apply to future vehicle fueling uh fueling establishments. And in brief,

[1:13:58] what that really is is that we actually list auto service station and gas

[1:14:04] stations in two places in the use matrix. And in one place, it's permitted

[1:14:10] and in the other place it's conditionally permitted. So then you

[1:14:13] start splitting hairs and definitions of what a gas station is and what an auto

[1:14:18] service station is. [clears throat] >> Yeah, exactly. So I was put in that

[1:14:23] uncomfortable position to do that. We need a change to the ordinance. So,

[1:14:28] we're making a change in ordinance and we're updating it. We're doing away with

[1:14:32] gas stations. We're doing away with auto service stations. By the way, auto

[1:14:35] service stations are the gas stations that I remember. Those are the ones with

[1:14:39] the pumps with a rollup door and two lifts and people were actually working

[1:14:43] on cars. Gas station is purely fuel. We're updating it to call it a vehicle

[1:14:48] fueling establishment to include things like electric hy hydrogen and all the

[1:14:53] other fuels that may be coming along in our near future. So, we're updating that

[1:14:57] to be a little ahead of the game, if you will.

[1:15:02] The um last one I wanted to talk about briefly was we heard from John is the

[1:15:08] public works department is going to be requesting a zone change proposal uh for

[1:15:13] a parcel next to them on the Sandy Lane and all of the parcels back there except

[1:15:18] for John's uh facilities are zone C1 and in order to be consistent with his

[1:15:25] zoning on his current site we'll be taking that to planning commission to

[1:15:29] reszone that C1 With that, um, it's been a a long set of

[1:15:34] questions for everybody up here. I'll just ask, is there any other questions

[1:15:38] that I can form you? >> Any questions?

[1:15:43] [clears throat] >> Yes.

[1:15:44] » The the bullet on um preparing to bring damages against the illegal killing and

[1:15:49] removal of an oak tree. Is that the one that came in that just we got an email?

[1:15:53] Um, >> it is.

[1:15:55] » Okay. Um, as I always like to say, I have 75 excellent code enforcement

[1:15:59] officers out there in golf carts, uh, taking names and taking pictures. So, we

[1:16:04] have a picture of it. We didn't have a picture of it coming down, but yeah, it

[1:16:08] was a tree that from [clears throat] my understanding

[1:16:12] was a past issue. Somebody tried to kill the tree chemically.

[1:16:17] » Uh, the tree is, and the picture that we have is the tree is dead. There's no

[1:16:23] question. there wasn't a leaf on it. Um, but there was still an illegal removal

[1:16:27] of it. So, we're just following up on that and doing the appropriate

[1:16:33] enforcement action on that. >> Thanks. You're welcome.

[1:16:39] » Any other Thank you, director. Very much. We'll

[1:16:44] now move into our discussion item item 7A on placard. Mrs. Maul is going to uh

[1:16:50] introduce this topic. All right. Um I'm pretty excited to uh put this

[1:16:57] presentation before you by Trent. Um I'll just give you a brief overview. Uh

[1:17:03] when you are looking at your presentation

[1:17:06] um in your packets, uh there's two pieces to this. What's one is called

[1:17:11] peercast and of course the other one is called placard. We can marry the two

[1:17:16] names if we want to. Um, so, uh, it's a system that allows basically a QR code.

[1:17:23] He's going to give you all the info, but it's a QR code that if I'm a person that

[1:17:28] I'm going to go fishing on the pier, I'm going to scan that QR code. It's going

[1:17:32] to tell me what's biting currently, what we are using as bait, etc. I won't steal

[1:17:38] all your thunder. >> Oh, you're good.

[1:17:39] » And then the second part of that is a digital sign 60 by 30 where I can scan a

[1:17:44] QR code and I can I don't have to Google restaurants near me, happy hours near

[1:17:51] me, what are the beach rules? I don't have to Google any of that. It's all

[1:17:54] going to be in one great place for you. With that, Trent, thank you very much.

[1:17:58] Of course, >> council members, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:18:02] Thank you for having me. >> Uh so, essentially, this is uh Placard.

[1:18:07] Um I'm a co-founder of Placard. I started Placard with my friend Chris

[1:18:13] Coulter. Uh we both moved here from Florida. We've been here for about uh

[1:18:17] six to seven months and absolutely love it here. We plan on staying here for a

[1:18:21] while. Had a wife and four kids and I'm very excited to continue live by the

[1:18:24] beach. My wife missed it dearly. So we're going to be by the beach for a

[1:18:28] while. So um we started placard because we had some questions. So let's go

[1:18:33] through those questions. So first and foremost, what is placard? We connect

[1:18:36] physical places to dynamic digital experiences that can be updated

[1:18:40] instantly. This is a live example of our Surfside uh short-term rental location

[1:18:46] called Surfside State of Mine. Essentially, what you do when you walk

[1:18:50] into this short-term rental, if you are on Airbnb or Verbbo, is you can walk in,

[1:18:56] you see this plaque, you scan it, and it tells you immediately 90% of the

[1:19:00] questions that you have about being in that space. The whole purpose behind

[1:19:04] this is to deliver information the way it's never been delivered before. Right

[1:19:08] now, you're googling things. Right now, you're asking track GBT and that's how

[1:19:12] you're getting information. People really want to engage with something

[1:19:14] that's native to their phone. So, we create mobile web apps to do exactly

[1:19:18] that. So, when you walk into this short-term rental, this is the

[1:19:21] experience you get. You can press copy right on that button for the Wi-Fi

[1:19:24] access and then paste it right into your Wi-Fi password. So, it's super easy,

[1:19:27] really convenient, straight to your phone. It also tells you everything

[1:19:29] that's local. It's all geoloccated, so you never have to worry about if you're

[1:19:33] in a short-term rental in another city that you're not going to be able to

[1:19:36] indulge in the local uh farmers markets or or events around the area.

[1:19:43] So, where it started, uh Purecast, this is our first baby, and you're more than

[1:19:46] welcome to scan this with your phone if you'd like to get a firsthand

[1:19:49] experience. You just hold your phone up, open up your camera, and point it right

[1:19:53] at that QR code, and it'll open the PierCast mobile web app right now so you

[1:19:57] can see exactly what it looks like. Uh, Piercast started because Chris and I met

[1:20:03] and we were at a 1 million cuffs event in Myrtle Beach and we went out to the

[1:20:07] pier, Pier 14, and we wanted to know about fish that people were catching. We

[1:20:11] wanted to know what kind of bait, what kind of rigs they were using, and nobody

[1:20:16] could answer any of our questions. So, we decided to ask around, gather this

[1:20:20] information. We thought to ourselves, it would be really nice if this was all in

[1:20:23] one place right out here. What are the rules and regulations?

[1:20:26] anything you want to know about fishing right on this pier. Um, and so we

[1:20:31] created peercasts. We had questions and the answers were scattered and

[1:20:33] disorganized and not pretty to look at. So we took, no offense to the South

[1:20:40] Carolina Department of Natural Resources, but we took the information

[1:20:45] that's scattered throughout their website and we put it into one beautiful

[1:20:49] mobile web app. So, not only that, but we tell you if

[1:20:54] the tide is rising or falling, what your bite score is, the likelihood of you

[1:20:57] able to catch fish that day based on the weather, the tide, and what kind of bait

[1:21:02] and lure you're using. Um, there's games on there if you get bored. Kids can play

[1:21:07] or give their parents fish. Uh, but what we did is we took three sets of

[1:21:11] information, all these ads that were popping up, and we put it into one place

[1:21:14] where it's delivered and it's not cumbersome.

[1:21:21] And what we discovered is anywhere we go, this applies to absolutely anywhere.

[1:21:24] Visitors spend more time searching for information than enjoying where they

[1:21:27] are. I hate trying to look for parking. Four children, my wife, one of them

[1:21:31] super young, she's screaming like crazy in the back seat, driving all over the

[1:21:35] place trying to find parking, trying to find public restrooms. I can't stand it.

[1:21:38] And then when I get out of the car, I want to go to happy hour with my wife.

[1:21:41] That's something that we like to enjoy together. And I want to know where the

[1:21:44] closest one is. It would be nice to have that all in one place.

[1:21:49] And so we're proposing a plaque,

[1:21:54] a 60 by30 plaque where you can scan and you can have every bit of information

[1:21:59] you possibly want to know about the counter surfer site.

[1:22:03] It would look something similar to what you see here. We can design and create

[1:22:07] absolutely anything that we want. So if uh if there's another design that you

[1:22:12] all would prefer, this is something we can go in a different direction. I

[1:22:15] personally like this one. The benefits of placard for the visitors is of course

[1:22:19] less searching or exploring uh better first impressions of the city. It feels

[1:22:23] like you're more engaged. Uh easier navigation and it's always current.

[1:22:28] Really important part of it. Uh benefits for businesses. They can list and update

[1:22:32] their happy hour whenever they want to. They have full access to an admin

[1:22:36] backend dashboard for this that will allow them to update this data so that

[1:22:39] we don't have to go back and forth with communication. Very simple for them. Um,

[1:22:44] they can also listen all live music and the biggest one for me is seasonal

[1:22:47] promotions without replacing signs or printing new materials ever. It's just

[1:22:51] on this one scan. Uh, benefits for the town for you guys.

[1:22:56] This is extremely important. You get all the analytics, all the metrics. You get

[1:23:00] to see how people navigate your town, what they're most interested in, what

[1:23:04] are people clicking on the most, uh, the most used businesses. This is extremely

[1:23:08] valuable information and you can use it however you like.

[1:23:12] You also get to see peak visitation days and times. So, not only is this a

[1:23:16] service for the guests experience or visitors coming to your town, but it's a

[1:23:20] service for you as well. This slide is going to look different than the one you

[1:23:24] see in your packet. I do apologize. Um, uh, Valadis switched their name to 21

[1:23:29] Arrows. Same company, same concept, change of name. 21 Arrows is a strategy

[1:23:35] and technology firm. They use or they create custom software digital

[1:23:39] experiences uh and they track growth and a lot of this is is based on and

[1:23:45] predicated on automation. It's very important that we automate this to make

[1:23:48] it easy for everybody. The proposal is I would like to see peer

[1:23:54] peer cast on your peers. Um I would also like to see placard in

[1:23:58] your town and that's a goal of mine as someone who just likes to create and

[1:24:03] solve problems. This is something that I enjoy doing. and uh I just would like to

[1:24:08] have your permission to pursue that. >> So, thank you very much.

[1:24:13] » All right. Thank you, sir. Are there uh any questions for uh

[1:24:17] » uh Mr. [clears throat] What? Trent, was it?

[1:24:19] » Yeah, Robinson. I don't know why Williams is on there, but Robinson last

[1:24:22] name. Yeah, Trent Robinson. >> Okay, that's right.

[1:24:24] » All right. Trent Robinson. Thank you for correcting that.

[1:24:27] » No problem. >> Or uh Mrs. Maul if you want to

[1:24:30] understand from the town perspective. >> I have so Mr. Hy. Go ahead. Oh, cost

[1:24:37] » cost absolutely. Uh, so we have multiple quotes for signs, but right now um if we

[1:24:42] buy three signs, we're we source from Seabboard Signs because we noticed that

[1:24:46] Seabboard Signs was used for some of the signs that are already on the pier. So,

[1:24:49] we wanted to go with the company that you had already worked with. Seabard

[1:24:52] Signs quoted us one um sign plaque at $8,000 and then if we do three and we

[1:24:59] place those throughout multiple areas of the town it would be um $6,000 per sign

[1:25:05] » for the digital right per placard. >> No.

[1:25:09] » Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Sorry. >> Not the one.

[1:25:11] » Not the Yes. Exactly. >> The sign you showed us with the

[1:25:15] » right the big signs. My apologies. >> 6,000 a piece.

[1:25:17] » Yes. >> Wow. That seems kind of steep. They are

[1:25:21] illuminated signs and they are auto powered so there's no need to run

[1:25:25] electricity to them. >> That's a really important note to Yeah.

[1:25:30] » U how long has your company been operating?

[1:25:34] » So we've been operating Piercast for five months and the amount of data that

[1:25:39] we've collected in that amount of time is pretty astonishing. We're on two

[1:25:42] peers right now currently with live um plaques on the peers. 12 total plaques

[1:25:48] between uh 14 um pier 14 and second app pier

[1:25:53] those are the two we're on right now uh we have gathered over 5,000 QR scans in

[1:25:58] the past four months and that number continues to rise we we've also had a

[1:26:02] really interesting metric was people were visiting the site even after

[1:26:05] scanning so they would go back to it again so we've had a total of 14,000

[1:26:09] website visits just from peer scans >> so you're new and you're growing but

[1:26:14] you're highly utilized so far >> correct Um,

[1:26:20] some of the things you heard tonight, could we somehow have another section

[1:26:23] for golf carts and explain seat belts? >> You can have absolutely anything you

[1:26:28] want. >> And on beach rules, we can have rip tide

[1:26:31] safety. >> It's unlimited.

[1:26:33] » Okay. >> Yeah. Anything you can think of. Tell me

[1:26:35] and I want to make it for you. That's how excited I am to do this. The guys

[1:26:38] behind uh 21 Arrows are It's astonishing. So if we buy these signs,

[1:26:44] these three signs,000, then what's the cost after?

[1:26:48] » That's what I'm sorry about that. Glad I asked. So a monthly retainer to maintain

[1:26:52] those and to go back and forth with the businesses is going to cost us $1,000 a

[1:26:57] month. And then to build out the mobile web app and put the design and all the

[1:27:02] information and gather the geoloccation together is $12,000

[1:27:08] » in addition to the 18 and the 10,00. >> Correct. So the 18 is for the signs, the

[1:27:13] 12,000's for the mobile web app, and then $1,000 per month for maintenance

[1:27:17] and and upkeep. >> Is there any way we can recoup any of

[1:27:20] that and the businesses that use it? >> Absolutely. T we were talking about

[1:27:23] this. Okay. >> Actually, T probably take this part for

[1:27:26] a second. >> Before you go on, I I missed something

[1:27:30] here. This is a discussion item and we are allowed to make motions. It is not a

[1:27:36] business item, so we're not scheduling a vote, but we can make motions here.

[1:27:39] Wanted to clarify that. Sorry. Go ahead and proceed.

[1:27:43] » Um, yes. So, with the business uh committee's uh permission, I want to

[1:27:47] pitch this to the business committee first. Um, and then my idea is to charge

[1:27:53] the businesses monthly fees. So, we're basically the upfront money that gets it

[1:27:58] all in motion and then they have their monthly fees that they are going to pay

[1:28:05] us to be a part of that. As far as the details right now, I'm just giving you

[1:28:09] very top line. Of course, I would have that conversation. But it's sort of like

[1:28:15] Google, like if you want to be the first restaurant that pops up or the first

[1:28:20] happy hour, that's where I would charge the money and then you would go down

[1:28:24] through tears. So that's the concept. Again, just right off the top of my head

[1:28:28] there from I haven't spoken to the businesses yet, just sitting there.

[1:28:33] » So, so basically this is just anformational Hi.

[1:28:36] » Yeah. Talk to your microphone. >> Yes. Hi, microphone. Um, so this is just

[1:28:41] anformational um presentation and your next step is to

[1:28:45] take this to the business committee. Is that correct?

[1:28:47] » Correct. If you guys really love this and think it's a good idea as I do um

[1:28:51] then I will definitely take it and go from there.

[1:28:54] » Okay. >> Mr. Mayor, you you done m I'm done.

[1:29:00] Okay. >> Just quick. So the the 12,000 to build

[1:29:03] the data. Yes. Is that a onetime fee or is that going to be an ongoing annual

[1:29:07] fee? >> That's a onetime fee.

[1:29:08] » Onetime fee. >> Correct.

[1:29:09] » Any anything else from on an annual basis that we would be paying or is this

[1:29:13] all just upfront pretty much cost? >> $12,000 upfront, $18,000 for the signs

[1:29:18] if you choose three and then $1,000 a month for maintenance for the site and

[1:29:22] communication. >> Okay. So that would be the that So

[1:29:25] 12,000 a year. >> Oh, correct. Yes. So that would be an

[1:29:29] annual office. Okay. >> And in terms of how the information gets

[1:29:33] updated, um guess that's kind of on the the business to make sure that you have

[1:29:38] the information that they want to get out on and [clears throat] available to

[1:29:42] folks. >> Yes. So that's our responsibility. Yeah.

[1:29:47] » Um I got a couple questions there. Three signs and that's probably more for you.

[1:29:51] Where do they go? >> So the first sign of course is at the

[1:29:56] pier. Um, I think that's really vital. Second sign, Memorial Park. Third sign,

[1:30:01] Harrison Park. It's the center of gravity of our town. So, those parks

[1:30:06] there would make the most sense to me to have them there.

[1:30:09] » Okay. And 30 by 60. Where does that come from? That size.

[1:30:12] » Uh, I just figured uh I kind of took measurements and put it up against my uh

[1:30:17] my wall and measured my height and size and what I'd like to walk up to and what

[1:30:21] would present itself. At the end of the day, this is going to draw people to the

[1:30:24] sign. We want it to be attractive. We want it to be beautiful and we want it

[1:30:27] to stand out. The more foot traffic, the more scans, the more data and uh and the

[1:30:32] more information we can consume from it. >> So I I get the point of standing out and

[1:30:36] of course larger stands out better, but the peers kind of tight in places and so

[1:30:41] forth. So and and yes, it's anformational sign, but you

[1:30:47] don't want too many signs around. Would it be a little smaller?

[1:30:51] » Absolutely. But this is entirely different. Right. Okay.

[1:30:54] » I I I mean I will do whatever you guys want, but if from a tourist or visitor

[1:31:00] standpoint or community standpoint, you've got to have scale to make it

[1:31:04] beautiful. You've got to attract them to that. So to me, that's the right size

[1:31:09] when we spoke about it. >> Okay.

[1:31:11] » But you guys decide. >> Yeah. I I'm not saying I have any

[1:31:14] insight to it. I just, you know, I just don't want too large. But of course, I

[1:31:18] don't It does no good if it just people walk by. So I get that. I don't know

[1:31:22] what the magic number is right anybody. >> Yeah, I'm not getting why $6,000 sign

[1:31:30] people digital sign. I don't understand. >> It's not a digital sign. Are you just

[1:31:36] asking why it cost $6,000? >> Yeah.

[1:31:38] » Um, so this also includes the base of the sign. This is a weatherproof sign.

[1:31:43] It's a high quality, very nice sign that should last a very, very long time. Um,

[1:31:48] this is not some cheap thrown together plastic. It's steel framing. It's

[1:31:51] beautiful. Um, and we use premium products and it is heavily illuminated.

[1:31:55] So, it's going to withstand all the weather that you can throw at it. Uh, so

[1:31:59] so yes, it's it it is a pricey sign, but it is um beautiful. I think an

[1:32:04] investment into a quality sign is a good idea.

[1:32:07] » Um, I think it's a great idea. It's just that

[1:32:11] I'm not sure why we're calling it peer village because it's for the whole town,

[1:32:15] right? It's not just for the pier area, right? I hate that all the, you know,

[1:32:19] you see a sign that says Pier Village, you think it's only restaurants in the

[1:32:22] Pier Village. >> Yeah. And that was for the mockup. So

[1:32:26] yeah, >> I'm just throwing it out there. I'd

[1:32:28] rather have sides, you know, because we have great restaurants throughout the

[1:32:33] whole place, right? >> And in my opinion, Beer Village gets a

[1:32:37] lot of attention. We need to expand the whole town. We have great restaurants.

[1:32:42] We will this be retail stores, too. They're going to be there.

[1:32:45] » Everything. And I love the idea that you're saying is to accelerate

[1:32:48] throughout the town. I want to benefit the town as much as possible. So

[1:32:51] anywhere we can put it and however you want it to be, we can make that for you.

[1:32:55] » And honestly, I don't want to spend more $6,000. [laughter]

[1:33:00] If you had a big uh the bigger parking lots, too. You come down for the beach,

[1:33:04] you don't even think about having dinner here. You you point your phone at it.

[1:33:10] » Hey, Mil, >> let's go to let's go to dinner tonight.

[1:33:14] There's a restaurant [laughter] over there,

[1:33:15] » right? >> If I if I may, uh, one other thing that

[1:33:19] we're working on right now is the ability to people be able to see how

[1:33:24] many parking spots are open in the parking lot before they even leave their

[1:33:27] house. And this is a tech that we're kind of working on in the back end

[1:33:30] because you see how much of a hectic headache it can be throughout, you know,

[1:33:33] all the beaches. And I I believe one of the pictures has it that it's a little

[1:33:39] tiny sign that it's on a possibly in a restaurant or something. I don't know.

[1:33:45] » That's a short-term rental. Yep. That's Yeah, that's so when you Yeah. When you

[1:33:49] walk into a little Airbnb, it's a little one,

[1:33:52] » right? You don't Maybe you can throw them into restaurants. Correct.

[1:33:56] » Just so you you'll know what's going on in the town where you you know later on

[1:34:01] and stuff. >> Yes, sir. I I love the idea and I really

[1:34:04] like the idea that the businesses are going to help pay for this

[1:34:07] » because not just the town residents um the people who actually going to benefit

[1:34:12] from getting more business and you know you might have a little restaurant it's

[1:34:16] not doing well. It's great. It's a great place but no one knows about it.

[1:34:19] » Yeah. this way they'll find out about it and hopefully they'll they'll

[1:34:23] » I'm glad to see the vision. Thank you. >> It's a great idea.

[1:34:25] » Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Mr. W.

[1:34:29] » Yeah, >> um

[1:34:33] so by the way, I like the concept you and we got a preliminary look at it and

[1:34:37] I like the placements because it was important to me also to let's not just

[1:34:43] focus down there, >> but okay. So, I did scan your QR. And by

[1:34:48] the way, really cool. >> Thank you.

[1:34:50] » Okay. And Surfside Pier's, by the way, already on there.

[1:34:53] » Yes, it autoopulates location. >> So, but there's a open button on here

[1:34:59] » in out in the ocean beside my pier. There's a There's an open. What What

[1:35:03] What would it do if I hit it? It doesn't do anything currently, but what would it

[1:35:09] What would that do if we came on board with you all? Would that take you to my

[1:35:14] web our town website? >> Correct. So that's a placeholder for

[1:35:17] town website. >> Okay. Yes,

[1:35:18] » that's what I want. >> And it tells you all the data that you

[1:35:21] would like to know about the town and >> anything we wanted to load in there,

[1:35:25] right? The beach rules, the whatever it could be.

[1:35:28] » Also, uh, sorry to interrupt. Ad placement is huge on this.

[1:35:31] » Yeah. >> Um, not the nasty Google ads with that

[1:35:34] little teeny X that you have to figure out how to hit and get off your screen.

[1:35:36] We don't we don't do that. Um, >> okay. We run ads that are beautiful and

[1:35:41] they're integrated into the mobile web app. So it looks like you're actually

[1:35:43] scrolling to something that you're excited.

[1:35:46] » Yeah. >> And and by the way, this this

[1:35:48] information I'm not a fisherman, but if I were, I mean, you've got it all.

[1:35:53] » Thank you. >> Right here.

[1:35:55] » Everything they need to know to catch fish.

[1:35:57] » Thank you very much. I appreciate that. >> Yeah.

[1:35:59] » Thank you. >> [clears throat]

[1:36:05] » Well, anybody else want to do a Okay, Mr. I go take a

[1:36:10] » I want I want to make a motion. >> Okay, that's what I was going to do.

[1:36:13] [clears throat] >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the

[1:36:16] placard concept for further development with an emphasis on recapturing

[1:36:21] investment income and ongoing costs and perhaps lower sign costs. Right there,

[1:36:29] » I'll second it. Uh, is there any discussion on the

[1:36:33] motion? >> Yeah, I I have reservation about making

[1:36:39] a vote on it right now. I'd rather see line by line how much really going to

[1:36:43] cost. >> Well, I think he's I think Judge's

[1:36:44] motion is to pursue that. >> Okay.

[1:36:48] » Let me re I'll repeat it for you. um approved the placard concept for further

[1:36:54] development with an emphasis on re capturing investment income ongoing

[1:37:00] costs and perhaps lower sign costs. >> Okay,

[1:37:05] » Mr. Mor. >> Uh, Miss Shaw,

[1:37:09] » this is going to the business committee, correct?

[1:37:16] » Do we need to add that in the >> We're making a motion for her to do her

[1:37:21] job. Basically, [laughter] how she wants to do it.

[1:37:24] » How she wants to do. >> We're saying please continue. Okay.

[1:37:27] » Yes. And and yeah, you can talk to whomever you want.

[1:37:31] » Mr. Ryer, if I could. So, what we're asking you basically to do is put a put

[1:37:37] some meat together and present a decision paper for us to look at and

[1:37:42] vote on. Okay, that's Thank you. >> You're welcome.

[1:37:47] [clears throat] >> Any others?

[1:37:50] I I am not going to repeat that motion. If we need it if we need it repeated,

[1:37:54] Mr. Hyatt has it written down. I saw that. Do does anybody need to hear it

[1:37:58] again? All right. [clears throat] In that case,

[1:38:01] Miss Medina, will you call the role? >> Mr. St.

[1:38:04] » Yes. >> Mr. Coleman,

[1:38:06] » yes. >> Mr. Walls,

[1:38:08] » yes. >> Mr. Lawren,

[1:38:09] » yes. >> Mr. Hyatt,

[1:38:11] » yes. >> Miss Valent,

[1:38:12] » yes. >> Yes. Motion carries unanimously and uh

[1:38:16] Miss Small is directed to >> pursue this.

[1:38:20] » Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Robinson.

[1:38:22] » Thank you, sir. >> All right. [clears throat] Um we are now

[1:38:26] moving into our first business item, the strategic payment services. Uh director

[1:38:30] grouper is going to uh introduce uh Miss Elliot.

[1:38:34] » Uh Mr. Mayor, unfortunately at the last minute she is unable to attend, but she

[1:38:38] will be here for the September 8th. >> Okay. So we have to remove that item. Um

[1:38:44] » yes, >> we don't have to officially vote since

[1:38:46] she's not here, I assume. Okay. >> All right. Well, thank you for letting

[1:38:49] us know. And uh too bad that didn't work out.

[1:38:52] » Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, we're going to move into

[1:38:55] uh item 8B, a memorandum of agreement. Uh well, I'm just going to ask for a

[1:38:59] motion on this. >> Mr. Mayor, Mr. Laworn, make a motion to

[1:39:04] approve a memorandum agreement with the South Carolina Department of Juvenile

[1:39:07] Justice for fiscal year 2026 to 2027. >> Second.

[1:39:13] » You got one of them seconds. Okay. Um All right. Chief Mickel, you run through

[1:39:18] this. >> Yeah. Uh this is just a renewal of an

[1:39:21] agreement we have with them. an annual agreement every year. It's just uh an

[1:39:25] agreement that if we uh take a juvenile into custody and need that we transport

[1:39:30] Columbia detention what their responsibilities are, what ours are in

[1:39:34] the schedule fees. Um we didn't even use them once last

[1:39:39] year and the year before that. I think we brought one to spend a total of $75,

[1:39:46] but their fees did go up this last year. So, um you're looking at above $175 a

[1:39:52] day if we arrest the juvenity

[1:39:58] of juvenile um charges are through a summon where we just we issue them a

[1:40:05] summon to family court and release it to a parent.

[1:40:09] It has to be a pretty serious crime for us to take that you

[1:40:15] know for us to actually take some as larger

[1:40:21] do we have to have

[1:40:25] we have to be able to transport agreement that's

[1:40:32] » so yeah so that actually I'll get it started right we don't really have any

[1:40:35] choice we have to do this >> non-negot negotiable [laughter]

[1:40:39] costs are in there. >> We wouldn't be able.

[1:40:43] » So, we're going to vote and but I mean we can see the writing on the law I

[1:40:48] think. >> Anybody have any real questions?

[1:40:51] » Yeah, Mr. >> Real questions. I don't know about

[1:40:53] » Well, I mean we have to vote on this. But go ahead.

[1:40:57] » But just I just wanted to clarify we we use Greenville.

[1:41:01] » Is that where we would >> No. So DJJ has a facility in Colombia.

[1:41:05] If they don't if they run out of space, the only other facility that's uh we

[1:41:09] sustain cartier is Greenville and they may take where we bring there and take

[1:41:13] them to Greenville. >> Oh, but so we

[1:41:15] » we would never take them to Greenville. They have to go to DJ first and they

[1:41:18] decide where that is. >> Just thanks [clears throat] for

[1:41:22] clarifying, >> Mr. I grew up in counties that had their

[1:41:26] own juvenile homes. I've never seen a state that has one that we got to drive

[1:41:30] a day and a half [clears throat] to get there and back. Is that really what

[1:41:33] happens here? >> Yeah. of the only facility that's um

[1:41:37] » wow >> licensed to do this kind of

[1:41:39] » and then I read in here that they won't take 17 year olds. What do we do with

[1:41:42] them? >> Uh that's not um they they would go to

[1:41:47] be charged as an adult and go to uh >> so is 17 the age of majority in South

[1:41:52] Carolina. >> Uh I think it depends on the crime and

[1:41:54] how the the uh solicitor's office decides to charge the person.

[1:42:03] » Wow.

[1:42:06] » [clears throat] >> says they will not be admitted. Oh,

[1:42:09] » I'm sorry. It says if not be admitted >> if charged as an adult. Okay, I got it.

[1:42:15] All right. Thank you. >> Anything else?

[1:42:21] » All right. Then the uh motion is simply to approve this memorandum of agreement.

[1:42:25] Miss Medina, will you call the role? >> Mr. Sty,

[1:42:27] » yes. >> Mr. Coleman,

[1:42:29] » yes. >> Mr. Walls,

[1:42:30] » yes. >> Mr. Longman,

[1:42:31] » yes. >> Mr.

[1:42:32] » Yes. Yes, fair.

[1:42:35] » Yes. Motion carries unanimously and the memorandum of agreement is approved.

[1:42:39] We'll now move on to uh first resolution and I need a motion for that.

[1:42:44] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Lawren, >> make a motion to approve resolution

[1:42:48] 26-0224, acceptance of donation from Eugene Reed.

[1:42:55] » I'll second it. Okay. You get one of us. >> Um Mr. Vincent, you want to just tell us

[1:43:02] very quickly? Yes. Uh so uh last meeting we had we did a proclamation from Mr.

[1:43:07] Reed and so then now this is a resolution to accept the funds.

[1:43:13] » Any questions, comments? Okay. So the motion on the table is to

[1:43:18] accept the donation. Miss Medina, will you call the roll?

[1:43:21] » Mr. Savior? >> Yes.

[1:43:22] » Mr. Coleman? >> Yes.

[1:43:24] » Mr. Walls? >> Yes.

[1:43:26] » Yes. >> Mr. H?

[1:43:27] » Yes. >> Miss?

[1:43:28] » Yes. >> Yes. Motion carries unanimously. The

[1:43:31] donation is accepted. Our next resolution is uh about KSDB. I need a

[1:43:36] motion. I'll keep it going. >> Good job.

[1:43:41] » Make a res a motion to approve resolution 26-0225

[1:43:45] of sec acceptance of donation to keep Surfside Beach beautiful committee from

[1:43:50] Jane Burie Morgan. >> Say that right.

[1:43:56] » Uh Mr. Vincent, you want to tell us what's going on here? I got this from

[1:44:00] the finance department. So, this is a generous donation from Jane Morgan to

[1:44:04] the KSBB for $300. >> All right. Uh, Miss Morgan is here. Do

[1:44:09] you just want to tell us uh what you're doing? Come on up.

[1:44:13] » Why are you being so nice? [laughter] >> You know, I love surf this best big

[1:44:18] little town or whatever. You know, I do four parties a year and I have been

[1:44:23] lucky in my life. And so, I pick a charity at each party. I try to give to

[1:44:28] all the guests who want to [laughter] contribute you know5 $10 whatever. I

[1:44:32] always always start it with my 100 and um I think the first one was veterans in

[1:44:37] honor of my dad World War II veteran and then the food bank here always pick

[1:44:41] things in search uh choice for Todd at Christmas I'm glad to say they had to

[1:44:45] come out to the house four times to bring the big boxes. I did invite 300

[1:44:49] people to celebrate my birthday though [laughter]

[1:44:52] and then uh Surfside Beach Cleanup which I always knew I'd do. trying to get

[1:44:55] Missouri summertime and then I just did the humane society and based on

[1:44:59] listening to needing a firehouse that they practice in I'm thinking my next

[1:45:03] one needs to be [laughter] >> I was sure she would

[1:45:07] » I know I tried I was hoping he'd still be here when I anyway so it's just I

[1:45:11] love the sound >> thank you very much thank you and uh

[1:45:19] and we have KBB here would you uh come up and tell us what you plan to do with

[1:45:25] this? >> What can y'all do?

[1:45:28] » Miss Miss Laworn loves public speaking, so [laughter] this advance

[1:45:33] we're going to invest in a tent with our um brand on it with KSB like the police

[1:45:40] have in fire department. >> As you see, we you're at every event, I

[1:45:44] think. So, >> yes, we're at every

[1:45:46] » All right. >> Oh my.

[1:45:48] » I was told that we can't ask her any questions.

[1:45:51] » Thank you. [laughter]

[1:45:54] Don't even try, Mr.

[1:45:59] » Anything else? >> No.

[1:46:01] » Thank you very much. >> Oh, wait. We got to vote first.

[1:46:06] » Oh, yeah. Go ahead. >> Yeah, we haven't we haven't.

[1:46:11] [laughter] >> Well, need to double it.

[1:46:14] » She has somebody here that >> I ain't asking her any questions.

[1:46:19] [laughter] We realize the writing on the wall.

[1:46:24] » Let's vote and then we'll take some pictures. Okay. So, the the motion on

[1:46:28] the table is to accept this donation from Miss Morgan for the KSPB uh branded

[1:46:33] T. >> Mr. Sty.

[1:46:35] » Yes. With a thanks >> Mr. Co.

[1:46:38] » Yes. >> Mr. Walls.

[1:46:39] » Yes. >> Mr. Wahurn.

[1:46:41] » Yes. >> Mr. Hyatt.

[1:46:42] » Yes. >> Miss Fallon.

[1:46:44] » Of course. Yes. >> American.

[1:46:46] » And yes. Motion carries unanimously. Your donation is accepted.

[1:46:58] » I might remind I'm in the hotel business and this equipment and cars don't want I

[1:47:04] can help that way. But a lot of equipment costs [laughter] and stuff

[1:47:07] like that is what I do.

[1:47:17] I can't see you. There you go.

[1:47:23] » You guys are supposed to take

[1:47:27] » Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[1:47:31] » All right. Thank you very much.

[1:47:36] » All right. We have another resolution for public works director. Can I get a

[1:47:40] motion there? >> Sure, why not? Um, we make a motion to

[1:47:43] approve resolution 26-0226, reappoint of public works director to

[1:47:49] the technical advisory committee for the 2627 revision of the Ory County Solid

[1:47:54] Waste Plan. >> Director, you want to tell us what's

[1:47:58] going on here? >> Absolutely. Thank you again. Um the Ory

[1:48:02] County Solid Waste Authority uh is subject to the rules of the South

[1:48:06] Carolina Solid Waste Policy and Management Act of 1991. Uh they required

[1:48:10] every few years, used to be three years, we made it five now to update their uh

[1:48:15] solid waste management plan for the county that we it's almost like a plan

[1:48:19] for solid waste for the county. You talk about population trends, recycling

[1:48:23] trends, and things we can do to make them better in all of our communities.

[1:48:27] and uh I've been on the committee this my fourth round uh with them and uh we

[1:48:33] need a council resolution to appoint me as town's representative back onto the

[1:48:37] committee technical advisory committee. So you just looking for extra things to

[1:48:43] do in your spare time, right? >> I think. Yeah, they they asked me and so

[1:48:47] I can't say no. They're all good to me. >> All right, mayor. I go ahead.

[1:48:52] » Yeah, please. I just I just wanted this is kind of a really critical time, isn't

[1:48:57] it? I mean, they're looking at expanding >> the the fill

[1:49:04] of the landfill. Yeah. >> Hugely expand it uh for through the

[1:49:09] year, whatever. But I mean, we've heard all

[1:49:11] » trying to get the 2050 out of the current landfill.

[1:49:13] » And you're uh so you being part of that. >> Yeah, like I said, this is my fourth

[1:49:18] round going with this. We've been doing it for a while and and landfill space is

[1:49:22] eventually going to run out in the county and the garbage is going to have

[1:49:25] to be shipped out of state more than likely unless they permit more class two

[1:49:30] and three landfills. So, it's a real you try to buy years. You try to buy some

[1:49:35] years and expand as much as you can. Come up with ways to reduce the waist

[1:49:39] stream, increase recycling, uh, limit the amount of material that goes in

[1:49:43] there. This is why we're so focused on recycling as a as a town. We have been

[1:49:49] for a long time. I started a beach recycling program. When I started

[1:49:53] working here, I started the e-waste and household hazards wasters program. Keep

[1:49:57] all this material out of the landfill. We everything is separated out. Uh and

[1:50:02] uh not everybody does as much as Surfside does. We're actually very

[1:50:06] recognized throughout the state for what we do with recycling. Uh but it's going

[1:50:10] to come, you know, the it's going to come to pass some someday that the the

[1:50:15] price per ton is going to go through the roof when they run out of landfill

[1:50:19] space. So all these strategies have to be explored and written down and that

[1:50:23] enables the authority to qualify for state uh grants and things like that

[1:50:28] that they get from the state. You have to have a management plan just like our

[1:50:30] comp plan. >> Well, I will say that I I'll speak on

[1:50:34] behalf and I know the mayor can speak to this. Anybody that's ever attended some

[1:50:39] of these local grandstand league of cities, things that we attend

[1:50:46] on behalf of the town, they all speak very highly of you. And you are you have

[1:50:51] set trends for this. We're doing more than municipalities with 10 times our

[1:50:58] money. You're doing a great job. >> Thank you.

[1:51:00] » Yeah. Everybody respects you and speaks very highly of you.

[1:51:04] » Your your cohorts in crime up and down the strand.

[1:51:08] » Don't make him cry. >> No. No. It's It's true. His involvement

[1:51:13] with this has been great. Yeah. >> Yeah. I appreciate that.

[1:51:16] » Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Uh Mr. Co, you think they'll

[1:51:19] have a recycling in this county like we're doing?

[1:51:24] » Oh, county. Why? Well, it's it's it's all about the dollars. You know, the or

[1:51:29] county solid waste authority does not pick up trash. They don't have uh they

[1:51:34] won't pick up. They rely on everybody to contract it out like in the county or

[1:51:38] garden city, let's say. Everybody has these private haulers that they get and

[1:51:42] they if they have to pay extra if they want recycling, they'll provide it. They

[1:51:46] want extra, but they're charging $30 something dollars for one can. So, a lot

[1:51:49] of people aren't going to want to do it. >> So, the county has the convenience

[1:51:53] center. Well, the private places charge how much for a can of dog?

[1:51:58] » In the 30s? Mid30s? >> In the 30s.

[1:52:00] » Just forget about yard. Forget about >> They don't get yard waste.

[1:52:04] » Both. >> They don't get

[1:52:05] » recycle. >> They don't get concrete. They don't get

[1:52:08] » just one can a week. >> Just one can a week. They're paying 30

[1:52:11] something. >> $35. Yeah.

[1:52:13] » How much we paying again? >> I think we just went to 26.

[1:52:16] » 26. >> Yes. That's everything [laughter]

[1:52:20] you put. >> That's four times a week. Come here. Any

[1:52:24] just one goodbye? >> Thank you.

[1:52:27] » Thank you. >> All right. Any others? All right. The

[1:52:31] motion on the table is to reappoint uh director Adair to the uh technical

[1:52:37] advisory committee for the Ory County Solid Waste Management Plan. Madina,

[1:52:42] will you call the RO? >> Mr. Sty,

[1:52:44] » yes. >> Mr. Coleman,

[1:52:46] » yes. >> Mr. Walls,

[1:52:47] » yes. >> Mr. Lawren,

[1:52:48] » yes. >> Mr. Hyatt,

[1:52:49] » yes. >> Miss Fallon,

[1:52:51] » yes. aircraft. >> Yes, you are appointed.

[1:52:54] » Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

[1:52:56] » We'll work for you. Yeah. >> All right. The final item. Uh I'll take

[1:52:59] this because it has my name on it. A resolution supporting completion of

[1:53:03] Interstate 73 and the modernization of the interstate highway system. Uh I'm

[1:53:08] making a motion to approve that. Resolution 26-0227.

[1:53:14] » All right. So, um, what we have here is a a letter came from the Myrtle Beach

[1:53:21] Area Chamber of Commerce. Came to Director Vincent just I mean

[1:53:24] Administrator Vincent just uh a week or so ago seeking approval to join uh a

[1:53:32] consortium of of managers throughout the uh county and he showed it to me and I

[1:53:37] said I think we should run that by council and get uh you know actually

[1:53:41] vote on it. So that's what we're doing. Um, if you've been here any length of

[1:53:46] time at all, you know, I73 has been discussed and debated throughout Ory

[1:53:50] County for I think it's close to 30 years. Um, you know, we are the largest

[1:53:56] uh tourist area that is not serviced by an interstate. If you've ever driven

[1:54:02] here, >> which I think probably everybody has, uh

[1:54:06] it's not easy to get here. And yet we uh we the whole Grand Strand area are doing

[1:54:11] great. Um this could be a huge boon to our tourist economy. It uh could also

[1:54:18] help diversify our economy as you know we're so tourist uh driven but you know

[1:54:26] businesses manufacturing uh uh IT professional services they they they

[1:54:32] tend to want to be near interstates for moving people and moving freight and uh

[1:54:38] you know we lose out on that all the time. So, I think I73 makes perfect

[1:54:42] sense and all we're going to do is support the letter that the chamber is

[1:54:48] sending. We're just going to add our names to that letter if uh if this vote

[1:54:53] is positive. Anybody else want to speak? >> Mr. Mayor,

[1:54:57] » Mr. Hi. I'd just like to add that not only does it benefit us in economic

[1:55:02] ways, but this is a high hurricane area and this establishes another high-speed

[1:55:08] hopefully evacuation which I think is badly needed on the grand strand.

[1:55:16] » Any others? All right. The motion on the table is to

[1:55:21] support this resolution. Miss Badina, will you call the RO?

[1:55:23] » Mr. Stamy? >> Yes.

[1:55:25] » Mr. Coleman? >> Yes.

[1:55:26] » Mr. Mr. Walls, >> yes.

[1:55:27] » Mr. Wford, >> yes.

[1:55:29] » Mr. Hyde, >> yes.

[1:55:30] » Miss Fon, >> yes.

[1:55:31] » Mayor, >> yes. Motion carries unanimously. Uh,

[1:55:34] since the letter was originally addressed to Mr. Vincent, I will look

[1:55:37] for you to uh send the uh communication back to the chamber. Yes, sir.

[1:55:43] » With that, we're item number nine, public comments, and it's 7:55.

[1:55:49] Come on up. My name is Anushia shift at the 210 self

[1:55:54] drive was a teaching moment tonight came up that I want to pick up and talk about

[1:55:59] the general came to do a presentation he didn't have a laptop director of finance

[1:56:04] handed him her own personal professional laptop the general brought a flash card

[1:56:09] into it know in any organization you know he himself may not know in addition

[1:56:15] to that presentation what mar was there that immediately was trans that laptop

[1:56:20] And that was connected to the network is already in your network. Tomorrow

[1:56:23] morning when you turn on your computers, it's going to be on yours. If you go to

[1:56:27] Homeland, the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, none of the

[1:56:32] equipment has the ability to log into it. This is how things get to your

[1:56:36] system. You know, that's how somebody get into it. I'm not saying something

[1:56:40] happened, but I think you have to watch. >> Wow.

[1:56:44] If if I were you, I would disable all these abilities to plug in something

[1:56:48] something to the laptops because that's how things get to your system. Just want

[1:56:52] to let you know. >> Wow.

[1:56:53] » Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

[1:56:56] » It's a good point. We can't we can't interface with you, but I I think

[1:56:59] everybody was listening.

[1:57:04] » Bill Kenan 1312 North Elwood. Y'all talked about golf carts. My comment for

[1:57:10] this year is I've seen more underage drivers, and I'm not even talking about

[1:57:16] 14 year olds. I've seen them so damn young they can't even reach the pedals.

[1:57:20] They have to sit on and I tried to stop one and the mother said, "Oh, he's

[1:57:25] fine." I've learned to slap people before, but

[1:57:29] that was one of the big ones. [laughter] I

[1:57:34] It is worse this year than I've seen. And and the reason I see it, I walk the

[1:57:38] dog every day. Walk them in the morning, I walk them at night. And I'm on the

[1:57:42] boulevard and I keep seeing them come by. And I'm old and I know that 14 year

[1:57:48] olds look older than they used to. But this is ridiculous when they can't even

[1:57:53] touch the pedals without sitting on the edge of much less not having a seat belt

[1:57:57] on. I'm just talking about driving >> and they're on the boulevard. It's

[1:58:02] crazy. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. Any other?

[1:58:07] » Well, I I want to officially because I'm gonna give you

[1:58:10] » name and address. Oh, >> J Morgan. Um,

[1:58:13] » even though you were speaking, what's my address?

[1:58:16] » Just give us the street. >> Um, North Hle Drive. Um, I really am in

[1:58:21] the wholesale equipment and car business and so listening to the cost of

[1:58:26] equipment. So, I want to say for disposal or purchase anything, I can

[1:58:29] never help. I don't know how it works with the city in terms of rules, but

[1:58:33] that's business I've been doing for 38 years. So, if ever I can help that way.

[1:58:37] I'm also treasurer for two nonprofits and some of the things I listen to on

[1:58:42] the cyber I know a lot about because of being treasurer of two nonprofit

[1:58:47] organizations. Once again, if I can help in any way, whether it's the policies

[1:58:51] that I'm rewriting right now for one very large organization, but I can do

[1:58:55] anything to help. So, strictly that's the best way to reach me if I can do

[1:59:00] anything to help. Love >> you. Thank you very much.

[1:59:02] » Thank you. and not looking for a consulting fee, just volunteering.

[1:59:06] [laughter] >> Yeah, we don't want to do job

[1:59:09] interviews. >> All right, thank you very much. Anybody

[1:59:13] else?

[1:59:21] [clears throat]

[1:59:23] » Uh Tori Reed with uh Fifth Avenue North, 519 Fifth Avenue North. And I just

[1:59:31] wanted to come in to say that from my understanding [laughter]

[1:59:35] we are getting a sidewalk on Fifth Avenue North. And I wanted to ask how

[1:59:42] long has this been on on the books? And do we have any say in this because I'm

[1:59:48] uh uh I constantly am getting I'm picking up trash all week long when with

[1:59:54] people walking up and down without the sidewalk. And now we're going to bring

[1:59:58] them even closer to our property. And also I I'm one of uh six or seven uh

[2:00:08] residents that have a circular driveway that once you put a sidewalk in, it's

[2:00:14] going I'm just going to have a a large concrete in front of the house rather

[2:00:18] than uh you know just a regular driveway going in. So, I wanted to know if this

[2:00:26] is a done deal. Also, I talked with about 10 of my neighbors who also knew

[2:00:31] nothing about it. So, I wanted to find out what's that process of educating

[2:00:35] people when you're going to have something major as this. We we get a

[2:00:39] letter to say there's smoke coming out of our sewers, but we don't get any kind

[2:00:43] of notification that we're going to have a permanent construction uh uh in your

[2:00:50] resident. So, I just wanted to comment to say not very happy with the way this

[2:00:56] this uh this project is going and wanted to ask if there's anything we can do,

[2:01:02] not necessarily to stop it, but maybe to modify it somewhat. That's all I want to

[2:01:08] say. All right. Thank you very much.

[2:01:15] » Any any other public comment? All right. With that, we will move into

[2:01:20] the uh council comments. I'm going to start with uh Mr. Hyatt.

[2:01:26] » Yeah, I'd just like to say thanks for the people that provided donations to

[2:01:29] the town. Thanks to everybody that contributed to the meeting. Thanks to

[2:01:32] everybody that chimed in and came here to spectate. And regarding the sidewalk

[2:01:38] issue, um I believe that that was part sidewalks were part of the comprehensive

[2:01:43] plan and that's where the idea is developed. The comprehensive plan is

[2:01:47] visited about every five years. As far as modifying it, um

[2:01:54] I think the best way to do that is to talk with your representatives and tell

[2:01:57] us what kind of modifications you'd want.

[2:02:01] » That's all I have. Thank you, sir. Mr. Walls.

[2:02:05] » Yeah. [laughter] Just wanted to thank everybody for uh for coming out tonight

[2:02:09] and sitting in. And I'm glad so many people love the town that they're

[2:02:15] willing to help us. It's wonderful. Um and I'll look forward to seeing y'all

[2:02:18] next time. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Um Mr. Stamp,

[2:02:25] » I'd like to thank everybody for coming out the sidewalk deal. Send us some

[2:02:29] information what you think. We can talk with John. John's heading up that

[2:02:35] project. Uh, I don't think you'll be able to stop it, but you might have some

[2:02:39] input in the way the way it goes. Maybe. Uh, I don't know that for sure, but

[2:02:46] we'll see you in a couple weeks. We'll be back. And if you got any problem, let

[2:02:51] us know. Thanks. All right. Um,

[2:02:57] Miss Sean. >> Oh, it's 8:00, people. I'm excited.

[2:03:03] [laughter] Um I appreciate um hearing that people

[2:03:08] love our town. It is our town and um going to get back in thing u with the

[2:03:16] senior center. So if anybody would like to help volunteer that we will

[2:03:21] volunteers there. Um but I just want to um an extra thank

[2:03:28] you. I was so you talk about being proud of something. I was so proud of our town

[2:03:35] as a group of people when our K9 CIF retired.

[2:03:42] We had residents, the police department, the fire department, committee members

[2:03:47] there, council was there, our neighbors were there, and um it tears up being it

[2:03:54] was the end of watch, thank goodness, it was the end of tour. and it was our

[2:03:59] four-legged family member that's going off to

[2:04:03] retirement. So, I just want to appreci I just want to say how much I appreciate

[2:04:08] everybody participating. Y'all have a good night. Let's get out

[2:04:13] of here. [laughter] >> With that introduction, Mr. Longhorn.

[2:04:18] » Yeah. Thanks. Uh just real quick, I I first de I just want to say we

[2:04:23] appreciate I appreciated you having the the sled person here. um also took

[2:04:28] Anushia's comments to heart because that's um it was a no no where I work

[2:04:32] too. You you you disabled all they weren't allowed. So um but it just goes

[2:04:38] to show that there's a lot from a cyber security standpoint that we don't know

[2:04:42] here in the town and getting tapped into the intelligence that comes out of that

[2:04:47] that group I think is important to our future because it's not just about

[2:04:52] potential fraud and payments. it's about the system getting penetrated

[2:04:56] potentially and um and what that could lead to. So um I just strongly encourage

[2:05:01] that as well as the training that um is offered out there because it is a really

[2:05:04] big deal and threats change daily. It's not threats aren't stable. They um I

[2:05:12] said I I lived in that world and um it's it's not stable. So just want to

[2:05:16] encourage that. Um, secondly, thanks everybody for coming and it is only

[2:05:21] 8:05, so let's get the heck out of here. >> Mr. Co, just want to thank everybody for

[2:05:27] coming out. I agree with Mr. Ken about the tough parts. I've seen tons of kids,

[2:05:35] eight, nine years old. Oh, sure they're with their mother or father or most

[2:05:40] likely their grandparent. Uh, I actually witnessed an accident where the child

[2:05:44] went around the corner, couldn't maneuver the the the turn, smacked right

[2:05:49] into a big bush. Thank god no one was hurt. Father just backed the car caught

[2:05:54] up and let the kid continue his drive. I'm yelling and screaming out. He

[2:05:58] couldn't care less. I don't know if it's a right of passage here or not, but it's

[2:06:04] not safe. It's not a toy shouldn't be doing. has for sidewalks. And when I

[2:06:10] first came in, I didn't have a sidewalk in front of my house. Then I moved to

[2:06:13] another house. I had a sidewalk. And guess what? It was a nice addition.

[2:06:17] Fifth Avenue North is a very very one of the most dangerous streets we have in

[2:06:21] this town right now. There's a lot of traffic on it. A lot of people going

[2:06:25] fast. I won't I walk all over the town. I won't walk on Fifth Avenue. No. It's

[2:06:30] just too dangerous. It's not going to be that big of a deal.

[2:06:35] I know people don't want it, but maybe they don't want. I don't know. But on

[2:06:38] once they get it, I think they're going to really enjoy having a firewall

[2:06:42] because it's going to be a lot safer for them and the people around them. Again,

[2:06:46] thanks for coming out. That's all I got to say.

[2:06:49] » All right. Thank you, sir. Um I'm just going to go on sidewalks uh for a

[2:06:54] minute, too. Uh I I guess I don't know if it's next meeting or the one after

[2:07:00] that, but I mean the survey crews, I couldn't believe it. They we authorized

[2:07:04] the payment and they they had some people out like the next week. I can't

[2:07:08] believe SC DOT is that un busy, but they they were there.

[2:07:14] » That's >> Oh, okay. That's who. Okay. No wonder.

[2:07:18] All right. But, uh I I guess an update on what's the projected plan and all

[2:07:23] that. We talked about it briefly. um you know when we authorize the the funds for

[2:07:28] it, but we can just do an update for the community, maybe talk about what the

[2:07:33] plans are in in a little more detail, which side of the roads they're going to

[2:07:36] go on and so forth. Um and again, I'll leave it to you guys when it's

[2:07:41] appropriate to bring that. But ideally if there is any uh opportunity for

[2:07:46] citizen input it would be good to uh have that at that you know soon so that

[2:07:51] they could put some uh make some comment if if there is again any opportunity to

[2:07:56] change anything. Um, secondly, golf carts. Uh, I'm not asking

[2:08:02] Chief Mickel to, uh, answer this at this point, but I see a lot of them, and I

[2:08:07] don't know if this is what you guys are talking about, but where the kids can't

[2:08:10] reach, but they're sitting on the lap of mom or dad.

[2:08:13] » Who's really driving at that point? Can that uh, family, that driver be cited

[2:08:19] for having the kid in front? She certainly isn't wearing a seat belt,

[2:08:22] probably. So that would in your next report just put some commentary in that.

[2:08:28] I'm not asking for a a special uh session on this but you know just

[2:08:34] educate all of us how how you how the police see that. Um still speaking of of

[2:08:39] police uh the CIF retirement was uh >> pretty outstanding. Um I I can only hope

[2:08:46] I'm that missed when I'm [laughter] >> ready to move. I don't think so.

[2:08:51] But uh but don't throw tennis balls at me

[2:08:54] like that. I'll just close out by saying um the primary uh runoff is tomorrow.

[2:09:01] That's why we're meeting tonight. We're going to scoop up all the chairs and all

[2:09:04] that. Um if you're so inclined, don't forget to vote. With that,

[2:09:10] I need a motion. >> Mr. Mayor,

[2:09:13] » Mr. Stamley, >> I'd like to make a motion we this

[2:09:15] meeting. >> Thank you. Any discussion?

[2:09:19] All in favor? I opposed. None. Motion carries. meeting a joke.

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