[0:01] Thank you all for attending. Please rise, face the flag, and Dr. Rodriguez,

[0:06] would you lead us? >> Please join me in the pledge of

[0:08] allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

[0:13] for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:20] justice for all. >> Who uh is there anyone here for the

[0:24] invocation? >> Dr. Freeman could. Yeah, as long as you

[0:29] happen to be here. >> Would you do it?

[0:32] » Oh, this is great. >> Yeah, that's right.

[0:34] » I'd say in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Lord God, thank you for the

[0:37] gift of Walton and especially in this busy upcoming week. Bless our comingings

[0:42] and goings. Let us have minds and hearts and souls of leaders and always provide

[0:46] for those less fortunate than us. Continue to bless us in Jesus's name.

[0:51] Amen. >> Amen.

[0:53] » Oh, don't sit down. >> Don't sit down. We can You can sit down.

[0:58] Please uh come up in front of

[1:03] you wife. We felt that it was just a small token, a very small token of our

[1:11] appreciation for your service to our community. It's just a simple

[1:17] certificate of appreciation. >> Oh wow.

[1:20] » And this is to honor bestowed upon Dr. Michael J. Freeman and Dr. Denise A.

[1:25] Freeman in honor of nearly three decades. We actually put it together. I

[1:30] wanted to say [applause] I wanted to say 52 years of combin 53

[1:36] years, right? >> But anyways, almost three decades

[1:39] between uh >> each um for your skill, kindness, and

[1:44] devotion. You have created a lasting legacy. Thank you for the countless

[1:49] lives you have touched and comfort you have provided with deepest gratitude and

[1:53] warmest wishes. for a happy and fulfilling retirement given this date 10

[1:58] August 2026. So, >> thank you very much.

[2:01] » Oh, no. [applause] Thank you for your Thank you for your uh

[2:08] » investment. If that's if that's a small gesture, then why did I get goosebumps?

[2:12] That's a very special. Thank you. >> Lovely. Thank you.

[2:17] » Thank you so much. >> Yes, we appreciate your investment in

[2:19] our community and your continued investment. You're not going anywhere,

[2:23] right? >> No, we're not going anywhere.

[2:25] No, we at the end of the week >> I'll put you some tricks, but we're not

[2:29] leaving anywhere. >> Yes,

[2:30] » we'll still be neighbors. >> Thank you so much.

[2:32] » And thank you again for coming in. >> Absolutely. Thank you. Didn't expect

[2:37] » What's that? >> Need to include

[2:40] a hug. [laughter] >> How are you, honey?

[2:42] » Good. >> The best doctor.

[2:47] » Thanks. >> How you doing, everybody?

[2:52] » You're going to make some of us cry, you know. This was a commute. Could I b the

[2:55] easy pass? [laughter]

[3:12] » Okay, moving forward. Is there anyone here that would like to

[3:17] make uh [clears throat] address this board with public input?

[3:22] Please do so at this time because once we get into the meeting after this there

[3:27] will be no um chance to address the board.

[3:36] » Steve, >> no we got you Steve. I got you

[3:39] » about the >> Yeah, got it.

[3:41] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[3:44] » Chris is now we're going to put him under his I

[3:48] just want to make sure

[3:52] We're going to when when we get to the uh I see it reports.

[3:58] » Um approval of the minutes from 13th July 2026. Everybody get a copy?

[4:03] » Yep. >> Make a motion we approve them as

[4:05] submitted. >> Second.

[4:06] » We got a motion and a second to approve the minutes of 13 July 2026. Kevin and

[4:11] I. >> Yeah.

[4:14] » Any discussion? >> All in favor?

[4:18] » Any opposed? That's carried. Uh Jeff

[4:28] Everybody got a >> any questions? Jeff

[4:32] » Jeff >> I don't have anything else you

[4:35] » No covered everything. >> Yeah. Okay. Great.

[4:39] Um okay. Assessor's report. Any questions on

[4:44] that? >> Um Penny asked me to bring up um she

[4:50] asked concerns about the uh um percentage of uh

[4:58] what is it? >> Equalization.

[5:00] » Equalization rate and the she's been doing some

[5:06] discussion or preliminary research on it >> and the number of properties

[5:13] that are selling two and three times their assessment gives her concern that

[5:19] the state is not going to was at 100%. Which

[5:24] happened the last time because of sales. So, um,

[5:29] uh, the company that we contracted with to do the reval this

[5:37] last time has not been, uh, forthcoming with the second phase of this. Uh, not

[5:46] answering any emails or anything. So, Penny's going to do what she can to keep

[5:52] us as high as we can possibly go, but uh just to give

[5:57] a heads up, she she doesn't have a warming fuzzy at keeping it at 100%. Um

[6:02] very little we can do about it. Very little anybody can do about it because

[6:05] of the sales. >> Well, and if it's really because people

[6:07] are buying past the

[6:12] » value like it shouldn't affect everybody else. She said, she said there was, I

[6:17] forgot what property it was, but there was a property somewhere that was the

[6:21] assessed value at 100% was uh 230,000. It sold for 480 or something like that.

[6:28] Um, so >> you can't

[6:31] affect everybody else either. You know what I mean?

[6:34] » But I know, but it's not just one. There's multiple and that affects.

[6:41] » She can reassess them though, right? >> No, no, no, you cannot. You cannot uh

[6:46] you cannot reassess based on sale >> uh what do they call that? Um

[6:51] » welcome. >> Welcome stranger.

[6:53] » Welcome stranger. Yes. >> Yes.

[6:56] » So what >> so company we contracted to

[7:00] » not >> we didn't pay them anything.

[7:02] » Okay. >> We we did not pay them anything. We only

[7:04] paid them for the initial one. But they did submit a proposal for the next four

[7:08] years >> which we approved. which we we approved

[7:11] » and we're setting money aside and we >> setting aside.

[7:15] » No, we set we set it at budget time. >> Okay.

[7:18] » We and it was very it was very very uh a good

[7:24] » I forgot how much it was but you remember what it was Rhonda She left.

[7:28] » Yeah. I think I think you're right. Roughly around 10,000 a year for the

[7:32] next four years >> to try and keep us at 100%.

[7:34] » Is that a good deal if they're not >> Well, yeah. So, but so we'll have the

[7:39] money there somebody else

[7:41] » not even to answer an email. And you know, frankly, I think they did a a

[7:45] pretty good job in their um rebound,

[7:50] » but uh the follow through is not >> I know. Yeah.

[7:58] » Not answering an email. >> Do we have a contact with them we can

[8:03] call? I don't like having >> I mean I know sometimes you have to be

[8:06] » we've been >> I I've tried to contact

[8:10] » um No. Penny says she's

[8:15] » been trying to contact for six months now.

[8:18] » Are they still in business? >> I don't know. I don't know.

[8:23] » I I don't know if there's health issues or whatever.

[8:27] » But if there are, then somebody should still say that.

[8:29] » You would think. >> And you know, we could have grace. It's

[8:32] it's him and just a couple other people in that whole organization. So, I I

[8:36] don't know. I'll try and find an answer and bring it back to the board, but it's

[8:41] been a little frustrating. So, anyways, um any questions with code? We

[8:48] do have a resolution. Uh, first,

[8:58] » yes, I uh and Jesse's doing a great job. He's in communication with Josh quite a

[9:05] bit. They have a plan worked out. Every Friday they meet um for whatever Jess

[9:11] needs and during the week if he actually needs to call him. But uh I did request

[9:17] what the amount I think I sent this. Didn't I forward this to you guys? Um

[9:22] » I didn't see it, but >> every for every hour that Jesse needs

[9:27] uh Josh to help him with stuff. It's I thought it was a good cost, $31.40. And

[9:34] that's what he's getting from other municipalities for doing basically the

[9:38] same thing. So >> like a mentorship.

[9:41] » Well, no, not it's it's more than >> mentorship because it's got to be under

[9:45] his license. >> Yes. He has to sign off on everything.

[9:48] Right. Right. Um, Jesse is scheduled to start August 23rd or

[9:54] » Yeah, he's search up sometime in August start.

[9:59] » Yeah, something like that. And he'll be done in October, I think, right? Isn't

[10:02] that October? So, basically what we did four years ago with Garrett. So,

[10:10] » we need to have there's nothing we can do.

[10:13] » And very fortunate. Josh is really good. Um, and again, he does other

[10:17] municipalities, so and he's available. >> Um, so would someone care to make a

[10:22] motion to uh >> to what's the word I'm looking for? To

[10:27] contract with Josh Morgan for uh

[10:33] » professional services >> professional services in regards to the

[10:38] » code enforcement >> at 31

[10:40] » at $31.40 an hour. >> Okay. moved it.

[10:46] » Dr. Rod seconded. Any further discussion?

[10:50] » All in favor? >> Any opposed?

[10:53] » That's carried. >> His hours, he said 12 to 4 Monday

[10:57] through Friday, which I think works out great.

[10:59] » Yeah. >> Oh, Jesse's hours are 12.

[11:02] » Yeah, that's what he's been doing. >> That's great.

[11:04] » And I've told them I've run that by >> Yeah, he was he was here today with some

[11:09] clients. >> Yeah, he's doing really great. Yeah,

[11:12] » he's he's he's a sharp guy. We got lucky there, didn't we?

[11:17] » That's why we brought him on the on the fire.

[11:20] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um for the first time in a long time, uh

[11:27] dog control Chris. >> Hey Chris,

[11:30] » come on up and take a seat.

[11:34] » Everybody remembers Chris, right?

[11:39] How are you? Good. >> So, I have a statement for the board

[11:45] like to read and present to you guys. So, as most of you all know, I'm still

[11:51] navigating a hurdle with the Walton Town Court. Any dog control violation tickets

[11:56] written and served are immediately recused by the judge due to a conflict

[12:00] of interest. This has and continues to pose a serious delay in court

[12:04] proceedings and hearings in cases that should be handled and dealt with swiftly

[12:09] moving forward. It continues to be a major issue as tickets are sent to the

[12:13] county to be reassigned for where and when they will be heard when the cases

[12:18] are sent to another town court. I try to keep within the loop for these cases and

[12:23] violations, but have found this to be extremely difficult. I've had cases go

[12:27] to Masonville, Tomkins, Hancock, and Franklin for a dangerous dog case. All

[12:32] of which I neither contract with or have any experience with in their courts.

[12:38] Agricultural market cases can be time-sensitive, emotional, and involved

[12:42] as it includes animals and owners, of which I both try to represent. The

[12:47] conflict was that the Walton Town Judge was our family's tax accountant and felt

[12:52] this was a conflict of interest with us being his clients and him being the

[12:56] judge. When I became the doctor officer, our entire our entire family has sought

[13:02] out and obtained a new tax service for all future tax representation.

[13:07] I'm asking for the board's assistance in inquiring if at all possible future

[13:12] cases can be heard and held at the Walton Village Court. This request would

[13:17] greatly improve the process in enforcement of all local town and

[13:21] village laws as well as aggra cultural and market cases.

[13:27] So I guess my and understand your frustration and this isn't obviously

[13:32] new. Um but if he's no longer

[13:40] if there's no longer a perceived conflict of interest, can he legally

[13:45] still not hear the dog cases in our town?

[13:49] » So it's not a matter of is it legal or illegal? It's an ethical um

[13:55] opinion, okay? And he it's an ethical concern and it's it's up to him, okay,

[14:01] to recuse himself and he has done so. He went a step further. He asked uh the

[14:07] OCA, Office of Port Administration, I believe that was the the correct office

[14:10] that that he reached out to and they said that he cannot hear cases for four

[14:15] years. Is that what they told us? >> He told me three.

[14:18] » Three. Okay. >> Could be four. No,

[14:20] » I think it was three. >> Four was in my head, but three. Okay.

[14:22] So, for three years. So, Judge Ripa has told the board that he's going by what

[14:27] he's he's being told from the higher up. Okay. Um, to answer your question, can

[14:34] we go to the village? We can't choose what court it goes to. Unfortunately,

[14:38] when there is a recusal, that is the proper step. It goes to the county. The

[14:42] county then chooses what municipality hears it.

[14:48] And there is nothing that we can do or should do because it it's you know can

[14:52] be perceived as you know picking what port um as to where it goes. Okay. They

[15:00] are supposed to choose um a municipality that's contiguous to

[15:06] Walton though. So H I mean I guess Hancock is right. Yeah.

[15:11] » Yeah. So Walton is pretty big. >> Masonville as well.

[15:14] » Masonville. What about That's Tomkins,

[15:20] » right? Tom. >> So, yeah, they're you're in Tomkins.

[15:24] You're in hand. >> But I don't understand why they're not

[15:26] at least sending them all to the same court.

[15:28] » I don't think that's how it works either. Yeah. I think there's like a

[15:32] » like a lottery system. >> I guess spread it out. Yeah.

[15:38] » One of the questions would be >> how do we get the information

[15:44] to him? So, can you get me the the names so that I can call the county and just

[15:50] say, "Where where are these? Where where are you sending to?"

[15:53] » I've been doing that. >> That's that's what the problem is. And

[15:57] then they go and if someone doesn't appear, then there's a continuence and

[16:01] then I don't get those notices from that specific court.

[16:05] » Yeah, I I get the initial from Judge Hubard's office. I do get that. I

[16:10] finally got those now. I got that that communication problem sorted.

[16:15] » Perfect. >> But

[16:16] » so once it goes back down to a court, you're not getting the disposition of

[16:21] the case. >> Correct. And and I can't be in I can't

[16:24] be in Hancock and I can't be in and if I write 10 license tickets in the week,

[16:30] chances are they might all end up in one court, but the next week if I write

[16:34] tickets, they might not end up the same court.

[16:37] » There's no way for me to navigate. And and if I don't appear to these a lot of

[16:41] these cases, then >> they're gonna get dismissed.

[16:43] » They're going to get dismissed >> and then I'm back to square one.

[16:47] » Right. So there's no teeth in our laws if if

[16:50] » correct. >> Walton won't hear them and they're

[16:52] dismissed all over the county. >> I wasn't I just put this together. I

[16:56] wasn't sure. I my contract is with the town. I haven't working with the village

[17:02] and I haven't heard back yet. I found some issues within the village too that

[17:06] we're trying to address as far as an oath and this and that. But I I was

[17:12] I'm we cover the licensing for the town or for the village. So I

[17:18] was trying to see if I can't we hear the cases in the village

[17:23] » because the village is within the town. So why couldn't it go to the village?

[17:26] » Right. >> How was it the ticket depending on where

[17:30] the person lived? Is that where the ticket's written? in the town.

[17:34] » Is that a communication the town can have with the village to hold these

[17:38] specific cases? >> No, because the the proper avenue for

[17:42] when there is a recusal. So you go to the proper jurisdiction which is the

[17:45] town when there is a recusal it bounces up to county.

[17:48] » Yeah. >> But now if you write a ticket in the

[17:50] village, does it go to village court or or does

[17:54] it come to town court anyway? >> It should go to the village.

[17:56] » Well, that I can't write any tickets to the village. I

[17:59] » because you're Well, that's another dilemma I showed them. I'm not listed in

[18:04] their as right. Only code enforcement, police department can write any local

[18:08] law tickets. I showed them that already. They're they're supposed to address

[18:13] that. But >> can they do a

[18:16] » Can we petition or not petition, but just send a letter to

[18:21] either the office of court administration or uh to judge Hubard and

[18:26] ask him to explain the situation to him because I would think Chad, if Chad

[18:33] would be willing to hear the cases, it would be the smart way to do it.

[18:37] » We We can't pick though. >> But can they

[18:41] » can he? >> I don't know if they can sign a specific

[18:44] court. I will I don't know. I don't know if they can or not.

[18:46] » We can't make any >> recommendations.

[18:49] » Yeah, we can't we can't do that. >> We can't request

[18:53] » I I can ask I can call. Yeah, I I can see what Let me find out what their

[18:58] procedure is, how they pick these towns. explain the hardship that it's causing

[19:03] you and see what we can do. We just can't appear to be, you know, picking

[19:08] the judge that's going to hear the >> right. That's not what I was looking

[19:11] for. >> And I I know that's not we're not, you

[19:13] know, we're not picking a judge. We're picking a location.

[19:16] » Correct. Just a neutral a neutral location. Neutral.

[19:21] » Is there any way we can get that fouryear thing? I mean,

[19:25] » you might be right on three. My memory >> three years or whatever it is. I mean,

[19:28] that seems a little >> I think he told me three. That's what he

[19:31] told me. I haven't seen it in writing. I haven't I haven't,

[19:35] » you know, been, >> but there's also revenue that the town

[19:38] is losing from >> Yeah.

[19:41] » Yeah. I think I've seen that before. I think it was three years. I knew too,

[19:45] but >> it just seems kind of ridiculous.

[19:48] » It is. >> Listen, it's within the judge's

[19:51] discretion. >> Yeah.

[19:52] » Right. Right. >> But the town is also losing all the dog

[19:55] revenue. We And aside from that, we have no teeth in our law. So the dogs can do

[20:00] anything in the town of Walton if Chris can't do anything about it.

[20:03] » Yeah. And if it and for an example, if certain cases land in certain courts, I

[20:07] have I've been working with Sean Smith a long time. I have with

[20:12] authority in some courts to make recommendations to work, you know, and

[20:18] » prosecute. >> I can prosecute. Yes. When I land in

[20:20] these other towns, it doesn't work that way. A lot of them don't even know the

[20:24] dog laws or or what how these cases are going to work.

[20:27] » Why would they? It's Walton. Yeah. Right. So, it's been difficult to

[20:31] navigate. And even as far as like simple licenses that I have to push, they could

[20:36] go three months bouncing. They'll stay within a court and then they'll just get

[20:42] reappearances and then it's it puts >> Well, and you could do the re forever,

[20:48] » right? Yeah. So, if you give a ticket to a dog in the town of Walton, you're

[20:55] following town of Walton dog regulations. Correct.

[20:58] » Correct. >> Okay. So, if the county assigns that to

[21:05] Hancock, are you following Hancock

[21:10] regulations >> or Walton's regulations?

[21:13] » Well, it would be Walton's. >> Yeah. A majority of the tickets I write

[21:16] would be under eggs and markets. That's would be state.

[21:19] » So the judge the judge in in Hancock has to follow Walton's regulations

[21:26] » which state follow the state. Correct. >> I believe our Walton local law for drug

[21:32] control mirrors what the state has. >> But a lot of surrounding towns don't

[21:37] have the multitude of cases and know how to deal with them is the another issue.

[21:42] You know, >> it's not they just don't have the case.

[21:45] But that's a that's a judge problem >> because if they are

[21:50] » given the responsibility of addressing a particular case, it's up to them to come

[21:56] up with the understanding of the pertinent laws.

[22:02] » Yeah. >> To it.

[22:05] » Agree. >> But they go and they appear at they go.

[22:09] They're scheduled in another court. they go or they don't. They don't go.

[22:15] » Sometimes the evidence isn't there. >> What he's saying is

[22:17] » by the time I get there, they don't have all the documents. They don't It's been

[22:21] It's been >> And there's some emergency to it,

[22:24] especially >> some of them have been timesensitive.

[22:27] Some dangerous dog cases where they should be dealt with swiftly.

[22:30] » Sure. Sure. >> And licenses, I feel the same way. They

[22:33] I feel if I write a license ticket, >> one appearance is enough. I there

[22:38] shouldn't be two or three appear reappearances or no shows. I I can't

[22:42] Some of them I can't circle back on on the simple ones that we could address

[22:46] easily. >> Right.

[22:49] » And then once the reappearances start, I don't get notified from the other towns

[22:54] unless I call, you know, unless I physically call.

[22:57] » Putting a lot more on you to figure out. >> That's another whole list of these ones

[23:00] to call back and circle back to that. I don't know if they've reappeared or not.

[23:05] I don't find out right away until that court sends out a reappearance.

[23:09] » And like you said, if you haven't appeared, then they

[23:12] But yeah, >> I I I don't understand. If you are the

[23:16] enforcing agent, >> yeah,

[23:18] » for the particular law, >> why would you be contacted by them?

[23:23] » By who? >> By

[23:24] » by the other town. >> By the by the court

[23:28] that's being assigned to >> because like the other court doesn't

[23:33] » the county assigns officer. >> But if the officer doesn't sign up, they

[23:37] don't contact. should be sending him the notices of the next appearances.

[23:41] » Exactly. >> That's what I'm saying.

[23:43] » But you don't but if it's if an officer doesn't show up for a ticket, the court

[23:47] doesn't send them a thing saying this is this person's going to attend this next

[23:51] time either. They just put it off to the next month and they are are supposed to

[23:55] appear. They don't tell the officer that. The officer can inquire that like

[23:59] Chris has been inquiring, but they don't get a a notification of that.

[24:03] » No. >> Yeah. Pat, but they should.

[24:05] » The thing about it is >> not the law to do. Yeah,

[24:09] » you don't have the court does not have to tell them that because now it's in

[24:12] their jurisdiction. >> Okay. So, can you find out what who has

[24:16] the obligation of contacting him? >> Yeah.

[24:20] » About it. >> Can we schedule a phone call?

[24:22] » Of course. >> And we'll just go over the list. You

[24:24] tell me what jurisdiction [cough] has been assigned to

[24:26] » I had the feeling that I've closed everything up. I'm But I'm

[24:31] getting ready to >> to start. Yeah. And it's going to be

[24:36] » a mess. just try to keep me in the loop. Okay. Um and then if

[24:43] » Yeah, I'll make phone calls. Okay. >> First and foremost, if they get a phone

[24:47] call saying, "Look, can they all go to the village court?" Maybe they'll say

[24:50] yes. I mean, it's not looking any I can

[24:55] » or pick a court, but at least if it's one court that they pick instead of

[24:59] doing this roundroin thing, at least any >> I wasn't sure if it was something the

[25:02] village and the town could get an agreement together, cooperate together.

[25:08] » Yeah, it's >> I mean, we already do the the town does

[25:12] all dog licensing for the village already.

[25:14] » Oh, yeah. >> Right. So,

[25:16] » so it was already intertwined. >> Correct. So

[25:19] » I wasn't sure if there was something there that we

[25:23] » But if you write it in the village, it doesn't go to village court anywhere. It

[25:25] goes to town court is what you're saying?

[25:27] » Yes. >> I don't Yeah, I haven't written any

[25:30] tickets within the village. I when I when I first went to do it, I found in

[25:35] their laws that I couldn't, but I wasn't.

[25:38] » Under what authority are you writing licenses for the village?

[25:43] » Well, the village is part of I'm not I'm writing them for the town. I I

[25:49] the town. I'm contracted by the town which oversees the licensing for the

[25:54] village. >> Right.

[25:55] » Under what authority? >> What do you mean?

[25:58] » Markets and markets. >> Yeah. Eggs and markets.

[26:01] » Okay. Okay. So, so you have the right to write those tickets. Therefore, you

[26:09] should be given

[26:13] the due diligence to to contact you. doesn't have the right to the flight and

[26:18] I don't know how how did um Rusty write them.

[26:23] » I don't know if Rusty ever wrote any tickets to the village.

[26:26] » Well, there were village cases. I know. >> Yeah. Were they heard at the town

[26:30] though? >> They were heard at the town.

[26:31] » They were heard at the town level. Yeah. >> So,

[26:34] » there's no dog control officer listed under any enforcement for local dog law

[26:40] within the village. >> There's it's the code enforcer and

[26:44] village PD. when I looked into their laws.

[26:47] » Yes. >> So, right now I just do licensing

[26:52] within the village, you know. >> So, if the is the village PD, let's say

[26:57] for example the I had a little kid and the neighbor's dog beat my kid and I

[27:04] live in Grisville. >> Yeah.

[27:06] » I called the wild the >> You could call me for that.

[27:09] » I could call you for that. would call me for that because it falls under eggs and

[27:12] markets. >> Most likely they say that I would call

[27:16] the police. >> They would call me still

[27:19] » and they would call you. >> Yeah.

[27:21] » So, so where the village >> what is the agreement

[27:26] » by which the Walton police has the right to call you

[27:32] » because he's the dog control officer of the for the town.

[27:37] » So they refer it to him. >> I know that. But the issue is where is

[27:41] it written? They got at some time in the last 20 years somebody wrote an

[27:47] agreement about this. >> I want to know

[27:51] » or did know because because a market says the town of Walton

[27:55] » the town is responsible for dog control and the town the village is part

[28:00] » the taxpayers in the village of Walton pay tax

[28:03] » to dog control also. So >> reason. Yes.

[28:06] » Yeah. >> Okay. But the the the

[28:11] dog control the code or police have to intervene. It can't be Chris that

[28:17] writes, >> right? I'm not specifically for v I'm

[28:20] I'm I'm speaking to specific like the town has its own laws.

[28:24] » Yes. >> The village has its own laws.

[28:26] » Yes. >> All right. They're they're two separate

[28:28] things. Now they >> they don't they don't they don't agree.

[28:32] » Well, they agree. They're somewhat the same. There's different like

[28:35] » nuances, >> right? There's different, you know,

[28:38] there's not not a specific leash law in the town of Delhigh.

[28:42] » Specific leash law. There's an atlarge law.

[28:45] » So, it shouldn't shouldn't since the village has no dog enforcing agent.

[28:56] Shouldn't the v the village follow the the superseding authority which is the

[29:02] laws of for dog management in walton >> egg markets they f

[29:09] » well which is the ones we follow right but

[29:15] shouldn't it be >> well I guess

[29:20] » well they do >> well eggs and markets

[29:23] puts that responsibility on the town which is the village is covered under

[29:27] the town for >> the town is is the the the

[29:31] representative for the state >> correct

[29:34] » in there okay so having said that

[29:42] okay shouldn't he be recognized at the village level as well

[29:49] as the town level >> I don't know I don't have a specific

[29:53] contract with the village No.

[29:56] » What are you talking about? Getting paid by them

[29:58] » or you having the responsibility? >> Say that again.

[30:02] » The authority. >> Are you talking about getting paid by

[30:04] them >> or the responsibility?

[30:07] » Well, I have the responsibility to anything under eggs and markets. I can

[30:12] » Okay. >> Because I contract with the town.

[30:15] » Right. >> At large, uh, dangerous dogs.

[30:18] » Right. Right. Right. >> Um, any article 7 laws. I'm I'm

[30:22] referring to dogs. uh off leashes, dogs pooping in other people's yards, people

[30:28] not cleaning up. That would be a local village ordinance that I cannot enforce.

[30:34] » Right. >> Why?

[30:35] » I'm not named in there. >> They haven't granted him the authority.

[30:39] It's not You said it's at the code officer and

[30:41] » and the village PD are the only two that are named in there

[30:45] » for those specific things. >> Right. That's a problem.

[30:49] » I >> I've already addressed that months ago.

[30:52] 360 on walls of the village. >> Yeah, I've already I've already proposed

[30:57] something to them. I haven't heard back yet.

[30:59] » So, if they want to hire him as the now a village,

[31:03] » maybe you need to call the judge, the the lawyer for the town village

[31:07] » for the village. >> Yeah. And and push the issue.

[31:10] » What I'm navigating is specifically I do all the licensing for the village. 90

[31:16] I'm going to say I might stretch it 95% of the calls

[31:20] » Yeah. >> come from the village. I I I I I

[31:22] understand that >> that large dog. What I'm trying to say

[31:26] is that somewhere near we forgot. Okay.

[31:33] For whatever reason that you should be a dual agent of village and town and

[31:42] recognize >> we didn't forget that the village hasn't

[31:45] given him the responsibility. We have nothing to do with.

[31:49] Did we ask about it? Because I don't recall the village. I don't think

[31:54] anybody knows. >> We're not the village.

[31:56] » We're the town, >> right?

[31:57] » I had I don't recall that conversation >> really. [clears throat]

[32:00] » Yeah. When I when they Delhi hired me >> because they were relying on

[32:03] » I showed them that the village they didn't have the authority within the

[32:06] village. >> It works out simpler in Delhigh because

[32:10] there's no village court. >> They abolished the village court. But

[32:13] here we have a town in village court. >> Yeah. Other towns they don't have that.

[32:17] » If they create a position and amend their local law to

[32:22] give him the authority for >> you know

[32:26] » that would only cover the village >> that would cover the village right but

[32:29] if 95% would help then it's going to help the

[32:33] village correct >> not here however

[32:36] » we lose the revenue >> which we're losing anyway because he's

[32:39] not he's recusing himself for three years whatever

[32:43] » and stuff but it's not the revenue that I'm worried about

[32:46] » you're going to check It's the it's the dangerous dog part

[32:50] that it gets put on. >> Why would we lose the revenue because

[32:53] technically it's going to be the jurisdiction of the village

[32:56] » once it goes to another court. That's who's that's the court that gets the

[32:59] revenue. >> Oh, okay. All right. Even though right

[33:02] now they can assign it to Hancock. >> We maintain

[33:05] » it's still our jurisdiction. >> Sorry. I was saying if he if Delhigh

[33:09] Delhigh [laughter] if the village if the village of Walton

[33:14] creates a dog control officer position and amends their local law to grant a

[33:19] dog control officer the authority to issue tickets for everything under a

[33:23] markets and their local ordinances when he writes a ticket in the village

[33:29] it's falling under the village jurisdiction and goes to their court so

[33:32] any fines >> that would take action

[33:36] That would take a percent of me chasing them away.

[33:39] » That would take a a great >> You said 95%, right?

[33:43] » I'm better. >> They never see you, Chris.

[33:46] » You don't see me? Yeah, that's where I am. I'm driving around the village.

[33:51] » All right. >> A majority of my calls are within the

[33:53] village. >> Okay. I

[33:54] » probably unless it's a dangerous dog, most of them are in the village because

[33:57] there's nuisance stuff. >> Yeah, nuisance stuff. Barbecue.

[33:59] » I believe we understand your dilemma. Yeah,

[34:02] » we we have a >> process and a way forward to at least

[34:07] » address it. >> Can't we're not guaranteeing anything,

[34:11] right? Nothing's guaranteed, but I've already spoke to the village. They're

[34:15] aware of the the missing components of their dog law. They're they're aware. I

[34:22] because I went there and obtained a copy of their dog law and they use a copy of

[34:26] other villages dog laws. It's kind of strict. It's from the state, but I'm not

[34:31] specifically, not me specifically, my name, I'm talking the dog control

[34:35] officer is not named within that law. The code enforcer and the village police

[34:40] department is. >> So that does not grant me even um

[34:45] » any authority to do anything outside of what I contract with the town for for

[34:50] licenses and stuff. >> Yeah.

[34:52] » Because that falls under our authority anyway, right? or

[34:55] » on under on what authority can a cop from the village of Walton call you to

[35:00] address >> anything anything dog related um

[35:04] » under what authority >> and market

[35:07] » eggs and markets and markets law that's >> okay so therefore

[35:12] so therefore you should be named as the dog control officer for the

[35:19] village >> right that's what he's saying that's

[35:21] what he's >> I've already tried that four months ago.

[35:24] I was there at the meeting. >> I understand you're trying to,

[35:26] [laughter] but we need to push for it to happen.

[35:30] » Yeah. >> Is that what we want to happen?

[35:33] » It's lose all that money, >> but we're losing it now anyway.

[35:38] » Right. >> You'll still get all the licensing fees.

[35:40] They'll have to come here to license the dogs. You know, the way I look at it,

[35:44] » if 95% or whatever the case is is the village

[35:48] » and the and they take over and the money goes to them, then they should be

[35:52] » paying for part of that position. >> Yeah.

[35:55] » I mean, the majority of it. >> Yeah.

[35:57] » So, I mean, that's some if we're going to go down that road, if we're going to

[36:00] lose the revenue in all the cases, >> I don't I don't know what the answer is.

[36:03] It just it was my suggestion. I didn't know if it was something because of I

[36:07] didn't know how the contract worked between the town and the village for you

[36:10] guys covering the licensing. >> You know what I mean?

[36:14] » You guys I have my contract with you. I do a majority of my work is licensing

[36:19] » and then there's the array of other things that come about that I can

[36:23] navigate without >> without any issues. You know what I'm

[36:28] saying? But when it comes to the the legal part and go into court for people

[36:33] that don't want to license their dogs or any dangerous dogs at large tickets,

[36:38] those kind of things, I can write under eggs and markets,

[36:41] » but they come here and then they get recused and I don't I have it worked

[36:46] out. I know where the where the first appearance is going to be. But if those

[36:49] if that court doesn't receive the information,

[36:53] » which happens happens a lot. >> That happens a lot. I show up and they

[36:55] don't even have the file and then it gets continued for not I'm not talking a

[37:00] week it gets continued for a month >> if it's not an ad if it's an ad thing

[37:03] that they're waiting for it's going to wait a month

[37:05] » right and if the ADA is not there that month it gets continued again so it's

[37:10] » so it can go >> undo burden on you

[37:12] » and it can go months >> and and in my position all I've been

[37:16] doing this 15 years I've always tried to go to all the cases there's no reason

[37:19] why I can't be there >> right

[37:21] » you know and because I'm there for the public. I'm there for the dog owner. I'm

[37:26] there for the dog. Some of there's, you know, it's not just for the ticket

[37:31] itself, you know, >> right? You're there to resolve the

[37:33] issue, >> right?

[37:36] Which is that that's what I think the public

[37:40] expects. >> Yeah.

[37:42] » Yeah. >> So, it's a hurdle and it's just getting

[37:45] the village is got a lot and people are moving around. It's just a lot. It's a

[37:50] lot. >> Oh, yeah. So

[37:51] » yeah, >> luck in that. I'm still wait. I haven't

[37:54] heard back from the village. It's fair week, so I'm not even planning on

[37:57] hearing anything. I thought I would. I've been inquiring from certain board

[38:00] members, but nothing yet. >> Yeah. So I I addressed to the village

[38:07] already what I found in their law, you know, and then was still navigating the

[38:13] court part of it. It just some months it's tough. It's tough. you know, I go

[38:18] to appear and then there's nobody there and then I don't know I don't get a

[38:21] notice of reappearance. >> So,

[38:26] thank you for putting in the time of >> Yes. Yeah. You know, I I talked to other

[38:30] supervisors about you and they every single one of them says you're you're

[38:34] doing great. So, just keep up the good work and

[38:38] » um you got a lot of support from the number.

[38:41] » He's very passionate about it and he >> I'm not throwing a towel in or anything.

[38:44] I'm just looking to try to make it easier, more, you know,

[38:49] » have to be able to track them. >> And I did speak I did speak with uh

[38:52] Hubard's office. I've worked with them for a while and and they they can't

[38:57] guarantee a specific court. It has to fall the way it falls.

[39:02] » It's just there's time period in there that is tough.

[39:06] » You know, I might not hear for two or three weeks where that case is going to

[39:09] land depending on when it leaves here. you know, I drop tickets off here.

[39:14] » Have we asked why they go on this may go around?

[39:19] » Uh, that's just part of the recusal process when some a judge I've had other

[39:24] judges recuse themselves in other other towns. It happens rarely, but it

[39:29] happens. It might be a neighbor or a friend. The judge has to recuse himself.

[39:32] Those I'm fine with. You know, I I can I can handle one or two per year when I'm

[39:38] doing it all the time every week. >> Yeah. Is that is that for you?

[39:42] » Yeah. It's just it's too much. I The case in Hancock

[39:46] » do you have here as a general rule? >> Well, I try to work through most of

[39:51] them. You know, I try to avoid >> going to court. You know, I try to is

[39:56] for everyone's sake. But on average it could be

[40:01] I mean what I'm starting now it could be 15 to 20 a month cases you know it could

[40:07] be >> so the other the other solution for that

[40:10] is to hire another judge in the town of Walton to hear dog cases.

[40:16] » I I agree that that that seems ridiculous but doesn't sound any more

[40:19] ridiculous than hiring a security full disclosure. I I wrote a little note

[40:25] and showed it to Kevin. saying exactly that

[40:28] » that that's that's the other answer. That's kind of an extreme position.

[40:32] » Yeah, that's that's stretchy. >> I mean, I I've I've tried in the

[40:36] beginning. I came in and I tried to and I got shunned away.

[40:41] » Right now, I don't even know what tickets are here. When I took over in

[40:44] June, there were allegedly tickets in there. And I don't even know what's in

[40:48] there now. I don't even know what's happened to those tickets.

[40:50] » But we've had two judges before. And if he's going to recuse himself, then maybe

[40:54] we need a second judge for anything that that might happen with. Not

[40:57] » I don't know. >> But I mean that's just that's the only

[41:00] other solution I can think of that would keep it in the way it's written now.

[41:06] » Just can I just want to recap um the recusal because of the previous

[41:15] relationship is a personal choice by the judge. Is

[41:19] there a law that says he can't? It's an ethics thing. It is. Yeah. It's a true

[41:24] thing. >> It

[41:25] » So there's no law. >> Yeah. I mean, I think he did it

[41:29] » I don't think he did it intentionally, >> right? I don't I don't think he did it

[41:33] maliciously, but it is making a difference.

[41:36] » Yeah. I I think it was >> it was an option that he had

[41:43] » 15 cases out of his corner. >> So, thank you. Yeah. Thank you for your

[41:48] uh input and uh >> thank you for bringing to our attention.

[41:51] » Yes, bringing it to our attention and we've got

[41:54] » Yeah, Charlie's got some work to do and >> I'll let you know.

[41:57] » Yeah, I've been inquiring along the way, too. It just I was hoping for some

[42:03] » I wish we had more teeth, but >> Yeah. And it makes it harder for me to

[42:07] have teeth in the game enforcing the laws as well, you know, when they're

[42:11] just bouncing all over the county, >> right? Mhm.

[42:14] » And people will take a minute that >> rumor spread quick.

[42:17] » Yeah. Amen. And it's going to be out there now. They're going to be on the

[42:20] internet forever. >> Yeah.

[42:23] » They still need to appear. It's not like they know can't not show up. If it's in

[42:27] Hancock, they still have to go. >> Yeah. But when they don't then that gets

[42:30] put off for another month and then they they get three times before they don't

[42:35] something. >> Any of the ones that I work for, they

[42:37] get two. Okay. >> And then on the third time I show up

[42:39] with an order to seize is how I do it. I don't. Two times is enough.

[42:45] » And I You can do it too. You can make it too. That's

[42:51] » Well, I appreciate your time. >> Oh, no. Thank you for coming in.

[42:56] » Have a good one. >> You too.

[42:59] » Okay, we have a letter from the zoning board of appeals. Steve, thank you for

[43:04] attending. Um, Steve wants to inform the board that John Litz has resigned from

[43:12] the zoning board of appeals and he is proposing to

[43:18] he's requesting us to appoint Barbara Gell to finish out John's term.

[43:24] So, can the resignation and the appointment be in one resolution or do

[43:29] we have to uh

[43:33] we have to do two accepting John's resignation?

[43:39] » Let's do two. Anyways, >> I'll move to accept John's resignation.

[43:43] » Got a movement and a second to accept >> move John Litz's uh do the opposite

[43:50] » resignation from the zone board of appeals. Any uh discussion?

[43:54] Thank him for his service. >> And thank Yeah.

[43:57] » Been on it for a while. >> You see him? Thank him for the service.

[44:00] » You've been on there for a while. >> Any further discussion?

[44:03] » 2007, I guess. 19 years.

[44:08] » A long time. >> Yeah. All in favor?

[44:11] » I. >> Any opposed? That motion's carried.

[44:15] On the recommendation from Steve Hajj, uh, like to appoint Barbell to finish

[44:21] out John's term. I have the specific dates of the term.

[44:26] » I believe >> yeah, whatever the date is. I don't know

[44:30] what it is. Um, would someone care to make a motion?

[44:35] » Make a motion. >> A motion.

[44:37] » And a second to appoint V Gell to finish out John Litz's term on the zoning board

[44:43] of appeals. Any further discussion? All in favor?

[44:48] » I. >> Are there any opposed? Okay, that

[44:50] motion's carried. You can let Barb know. >> Thank you.

[44:54] » Well, here's some I don't know if we need to do a resolution, but just to

[44:59] inform the board that the zoning board of appeal um is going to change their

[45:05] meeting time from 7 to 6:00 p.m. due to uh members having conflicting meetings.

[45:12] So, I don't think that has to be once a month.

[45:15] » Yeah. Howest.

[45:19] » Yeah. But you don't it'll meet every month if you don't have to.

[45:24] » Right. >> And everybody's good with that

[45:27] » time change for the ZBA. >> Okay. So, just to recap, uh the zoning

[45:33] boards zoning board of appeals will meet at 6:00 p.m.

[45:38] » Third Monday >> instead of 700 p.m. on the third Mondays

[45:42] of the month >> as needed.

[45:44] » All right. Thank you for coming in. >> Thank you, Steve.

[46:00] Rhonda. >> I'm

[46:01] » Rhonda.

[46:06] It's only been what, two years? >> It's only about two years.

[46:10] » Almost two years. >> Well, she was sitting over there in

[46:15] » Anyway, >> except with Lillian. You didn't call

[46:17] her. >> I'm going to beat you though.

[46:23] » Anyway, your financial uh reports have been provided and I do have a request of

[46:31] the use of facilities. Um Amy Hodes would like to use more parks on October

[46:37] 17th from 3 to 8. >> Um Amy Hodgees.

[46:41] » Oh, cool. >> And um she want

[46:47] But she wants to set up the night before, which I said was probably going

[46:51] to be okay. I drove over it with you guys. She wants to set up the night

[46:54] before and it probably wouldn't be taken down until that Sunday. So

[46:58] » So it would be like Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[47:00] » Yeah, kind of. >> But we're only charging her for the one

[47:03] day. >> Yeah, it's kind of what everybody else

[47:05] does, >> right? That Yeah, that that would be

[47:07] standard, especially for a wedding. wants to

[47:10] » set up in the morning, get married at night.

[47:15] » That should be beautiful. >> I know. I think.

[47:18] » So, I just need a motion. >> I'm going to move it.

[47:22] » Okay, we got a motion. >> Second

[47:24] » and a second to allow uh >> Amy Hodgeges the use of facilities for

[47:30] more park on date specified. Any further discussion?

[47:34] » All in favor? >> Any opposed? That motion's carried.

[47:39] » That's it. >> That's it.

[47:41] » Can I inject something while we're talking about Mort Park? Apparently, I

[47:44] sent you the thing. There's a bunch of graffiti on the

[47:49] picnic tables and stuff and I get I know that there are a couple of people in

[47:53] town that go up there and pick up trash all the time on their own that they they

[47:57] do that which is great because we don't know, you know, we're not up there all

[48:00] the time. We don't see it and stuff. So, I appreciate that. But, um especially if

[48:05] this is going to happen, we probably should make sure that we

[48:10] Yeah. get rid of the graffiti you've painted them or whatever. So maybe we

[48:13] just need to put that in the back of our mind for that so that it's fresh.

[48:19] » Has anybody been up there lately? I haven't.

[48:21] » I have not been up there lately. >> I haven't up there a little while.

[48:30] » Is it part of the village? >> No.

[48:33] » Murphy Hill Road. Moore Park is on Murphy Hill Road. Okay.

[48:38] » And that's within the township. It's not.

[48:41] » So, nobody polices it. >> Sheriff's deputies once in a while.

[48:47] » But and I don't know how many garbages up there. I don't think there's a whole

[48:51] lot of garbage is up there either because it wasn't they weren't being

[48:55] used. So, basically, we've done bring it in, take it out.

[48:59] » That doesn't always happen. >> Well, obviously somebody's vandalizing

[49:03] » the place. So, He says, "How is that going to get

[49:08] addressed?"

[49:11] » Well, I mean, >> I'll talk to Mil and talk to Jeff about

[49:15] because CJ goes up there and mows once in a while with milk.

[49:19] » Yeah. So, I'll I'll >> So, yeah. I mean, at least there's an

[49:21] eye on it when they're mowing. I don't know how much I don't know the plowing

[49:25] situation for the winter. >> Cameras up there. What's that?

[49:29] » That's all we do. We don't >> we put cameras

[49:35] Well, there is a house up there, so they must

[49:37] » It's where the star is. >> Okay. Yeah,

[49:40] » they can they can get solar solar cameras

[49:44] » and uh put a couple of them around to see if we can catch some of this.

[49:48] » You have to continue that. So,

[49:51] » they're not that expensive. >> No. No.

[49:55] » And there's electric there because the star

[49:59] is need electric. Well, let's uh let's all make

[50:05] it a point to >> take a ride out.

[50:08] » Take a ride out. >> Supposed to be a meteor shower here this

[50:11] week. >> I mean, a good time to go.

[50:13] » If there is enough vandalism where we're having to

[50:19] spend money to fix it, >> uh then we should have some type of

[50:26] surveillance on it. Like I say, I know that there are

[50:30] several good Samaritans that have taken it upon themselves to go up and clean it

[50:33] up. >> Um, which is on on their own, which we

[50:37] didn't ask them to do, but I appreciate that.

[50:40] » Um, >> and they have done that. And we haven't

[50:43] had a big I mean, we've had as much vandalism at Vets Plaza as we have more

[50:48] park if not more >> and stuff, which is right,

[50:52] » right, and stuff. But >> we should remember that it's ours and

[50:58] Yeah, >> pay attention, I guess, is all word is

[51:00] all I'm saying. >> Okay.

[51:08] » Okay. So, that's it. >> So, should we ask the sheriff to

[51:12] » I will drive through there. >> I'll call um the sergeant and ask him to

[51:18] swing up there. >> Yeah. Make it better. It's actually been

[51:21] they've actually been pretty good because I called them about the swinging

[51:25] around some of the uh >> uh town roads that we allowed for um

[51:32] ATVs and uh I actually did hear from one resident says, "Yeah, I saw the sheriff

[51:36] come up here two weeks ago and they were here last week." And so it does. Yeah,

[51:41] they're >> pretty.

[51:43] That's what I'm saying is that >> we should ask them to incorporate it

[51:48] into their rotation. >> I've had heard more problems about kids

[51:51] on dirt bikes >> and ebikes.

[51:54] » Oh yeah. Oh, ebikes down the village >> right down Main Street. I thought this

[51:59] kid get slammed. Oh, >> and supposedly they were going to do a

[52:04] safety course on that, but I haven't seen it happen yet. And it's August, so

[52:08] I don't know what happened there. >> D goes up to more park occasionally,

[52:13] too. I've seen that come down. >> Okay. I have not noticed that. I assume

[52:17] that's where they're going because they're coming down

[52:21] Murphy Hills. >> All right. I received via

[52:26] um uh internet access uh a request from

[52:34] Brian. >> What?

[52:38] » Probably an email. >> Yeah.

[52:40] » No, it wasn't email. It was the uh website.

[52:44] » website. >> Oh. contact.

[52:47] » Okay, gotcha. [laughter]

[52:51] » What is he trying to say? >> Lord,

[52:56] » but you're so much a lot of abuse tonight,

[52:59] » but it's so much fun. >> Keep it up.

[53:03] » Well, we probably will. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

[53:08] » Um, from a Brian O'Neal to place a park bench in the memory of Lorraine O'Neal.

[53:15] Lorine O'Neal was a World War II veteran, uh, women's

[53:20] » service corps. I can't remember exactly. Her picture is on one of the banners.

[53:25] So, local hero. >> Um, I told him I would approach the

[53:30] board because we did have discussion on >> three, right? So, this would be two.

[53:35] » Well, here here's the caveat to that though. He does want to make a bench and

[53:39] he wants to put a plaque on it. Um, he said, you know, Veterans Park I

[53:44] corrected him, but uh or anywhere the town would uh deem

[53:50] » it would be appropriate. So, I was talking to who was I talking to? Would

[53:55] it would would a bench at breakies? >> Me.

[54:02] » Yes, I was talking to Lynn. Uh would is that something we'd like to do? Um I

[54:06] think there is a lot of use there. I think if she's a veteran, we should put

[54:10] it in Veterans Park, but that would give us another avenue if somebody wanted to

[54:13] do a bench. Like I wanted to do a bench for Woody. That was when we first

[54:16] started this, but I didn't do it because we decided that we were only going to do

[54:20] three and I thought it should be veterans.

[54:21] » That's right. That's why I brought So >> So I mean I think if you're not a

[54:25] veteran like what that would be a good place to put it in breakies. I think if

[54:30] you are a veteran that we should put it there. That's my opinion.

[54:33] » All right. So um I will But we we did we did discuss

[54:39] [clears throat] this. It's got to be a similar bench to

[54:42] the >> I was going to say are they is he going

[54:44] to have it built by the same >> I I he didn't didn't we haven't got that

[54:49] far yet. Um >> um it was um Steve Craig that built

[54:56] what?

[55:00] Clinger bench. Clinger. >> Yes.

[55:03] » Yeah. Clinger. Couldn't remember if it was clear or the other side of the

[55:07] family, but so I mean then it would

[55:11] » as long as they're conforming so they look like

[55:15] » uniform not conforming uniform support. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So um

[55:19] » so does that have to be a resolution or

[55:23] just someone care to make a >> I'll move. We got a movement

[55:27] » second >> and a second to allow Brian O'Neal to

[55:31] place a memorial bench in honor of Lorraine O'Neal at uh Veterans Plaza.

[55:37] Any further discussion? >> All in favor?

[55:40] » Any opposed? That's carried. Okay. Um you probably saw in

[55:48] paper recently about the D land swap that

[55:55] I got an email just after or just before the last board meeting about the DP

[56:01] is uh there's a there's a movement to in the county and the watershed to allow

[56:11] parcels to be swapped for different parcels. And I didn't bring it up to the

[56:16] board last time because it's just it's way too early. There's really no

[56:23] criteria that's there's no rules established and it's it's going to take

[56:27] a long time to >> but Shel propos

[56:32] land parcels didn't you ask Shel and Shel proposed land parcels and loan

[56:38] » no >> what do you mean by swapping

[56:41] » so if there's if the DEC D and again this is way too

[56:48] early there's not enough specifics yet that's why I didn't bring it up Yeah.

[56:51] » So, I don't have specific answers for you, but it's it's basically,

[56:57] » you know, if you want if you want this parcel back

[57:01] » back from what? >> Instead of

[57:04] » Walt wants it back instead of D owning it,

[57:06] » right? Give us this parcel or that parcel and we can do a swap.

[57:13] » So, >> and basically the per purpose of that is

[57:15] for development, I assume. Uh I'm assuming again this is it's way too

[57:22] early. I don't have all the answers for you. Um and there's there's other

[57:27] factors too. DEEC has um

[57:32] not rights but uh easements on all the parcels. So it would have to go through

[57:38] that whole process too. So it isn't like it's going to happen in a year. Who's

[57:43] proposes this? Yeah. >> Yeah.

[57:45] » D. >> It was it was part of the negotiations

[57:48] under the um >> I'm skeptical.

[57:53] » The fourth side agreement um with DP in anticipation of the uh discussions

[58:02] that are going to start coming about for the new fad and a water supply permit.

[58:08] So yeah, >> I hope you are going to be on top of

[58:10] that new fad because I don't trust that. >> Yeah,

[58:13] » it's >> that's why it behooves us to be on top

[58:17] of it >> because I guarantee you there it's not

[58:21] in our best interest. >> No,

[58:23] » he brought it up. >> Here here's here's a here's a here's a

[58:26] comment that I heard from a resident.

[58:31] » Yeah. if they're willing to swap this parcel

[58:35] for that parcel.

[58:39] » Why did they take this parcel with water quality as their primary factor?

[58:44] » Yeah. >> You know what I mean? If this if this

[58:46] was so >> important

[58:49] » important for water quality, why did they take it? Of course, it was, you

[58:54] know, it was willing buyer, willing seller, but it was identified. Um my my

[59:01] take too and this is just an opinion again it's way too early way too early.

[59:06] If it ever did come about, I would think that there'd be more restrictions on

[59:10] those parcel. There'd be continued restrictions on those parcels because

[59:15] » it it all depends what their hidden motive is. And I would advise

[59:22] that we really search for the motive because when it comes down, it's going

[59:28] to come down fast and furious, you know. >> Okay. and and then and and then we're

[59:34] going to be backpedaling. >> Do we talk to Penny and say

[59:40] what's your thoughts on where

[59:45] would be strategic for development in Walton?

[59:50] » Well, I don't know if I don't know if it would be Penny. Um

[59:53] » she's that that would be us.

[59:57] » Give us a list of >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know sitting here

[1:00:00] what parcel that would be. So, she might say, "Well, this is adjacent to this and

[1:00:06] develop >> as as it develops. As it develops, we'll

[1:00:08] have that list of parcels >> and we'll have a map."

[1:00:12] » But who has the list of >> Well, Penny could come up with the list

[1:00:15] of parcels, but >> of the currently owned

[1:00:17] » planning board would be able to decide.

[1:00:21] » Yeah. >> Right.

[1:00:22] » Yeah. >> We don't we're not going to know sitting

[1:00:25] here partial. Kevin, I can't answer the list.

[1:00:31] » It's still in its infancy. >> Yeah.

[1:00:33] » Yeah. But yeah, >> put the language.

[1:00:35] » The governor already passed a moratorium.

[1:00:38] » That's what it sounds like on on uh what's the name of

[1:00:43] » data centers? >> Data centers. Okay. And then there's a

[1:00:47] talk about the floating solar panels. And then there is the talk about solar

[1:00:55] panels in state in city property. Okay. So I guarantee you

[1:01:03] » that this is linked guarantee it is. >> Oh there's Yeah. Yeah.

[1:01:07] » City isn't going to do anything without uh

[1:01:10] » I I know but but what I think is that we need to

[1:01:14] » by the next meeting we need to have a map.

[1:01:18] » Yeah. >> That state that that shows

[1:01:21] all of these possible properties >> knowing them they already have an eye on

[1:01:25] a parcel that exactly >> and more than one

[1:01:28] » more than one yeah >> and have specific purpose for it

[1:01:32] » so the thing is I don't have a problem to consider is so if they put

[1:01:38] restrictions on their property why can't we put restrictions on our property if

[1:01:42] there's a swap >> well here's the problem

[1:01:44] » to eliminate the concern >> there you go no solar on this if we swap

[1:01:48] can a Right. >> Can I give us a map that shows

[1:01:54] » and like I have it colored that shows all the city owned property.

[1:01:57] » Actually, um property might be >> We should have that. We should be able

[1:02:03] to get >> a large map propert.

[1:02:06] » Yeah, that should be pretty easy. >> I can talk to Spencer and say

[1:02:09] » he can, you know, >> then we'll at least we'll have we'll

[1:02:11] we'll be ahead of the game a little Right. Right.

[1:02:13] » Well, we'll be aware

[1:02:17] we won't we won't know what the identified parcels are.

[1:02:20] » Yeah. But the thing is that we can identify partials that and say, "Hey,

[1:02:23] this is >> once you look at it, you look at the

[1:02:26] topography, >> you can you can tell the things that

[1:02:30] they can and they cannot do, right?" >> Well, and and that's why they're talking

[1:02:33] about swapping. >> Yeah.

[1:02:36] » But >> Huh.

[1:02:39] » I'm just trying >> I guess I don't I don't understand. I

[1:02:42] don't understand the whole situation because we don't know yet.

[1:02:45] » If there's a parcel that they want, >> the town doesn't own any part. I mean, a

[1:02:50] limited few, right? >> So, I'm assuming that property is going

[1:02:52] to be owned by a private land owner. >> Yeah. But they can't buy anymore, right?

[1:02:57] Not buying any. >> So, so, so say this is the property the

[1:03:02] city already owns. This is the property they want that the private land owner

[1:03:06] wants, >> right?

[1:03:07] » What's how's the city going to acquire this and do a swap? They going to pay

[1:03:10] this pay them for this and just let us have

[1:03:14] this back to go on the tax. >> Kevin, I wish I could answer. It's It's

[1:03:18] way too early, right?

[1:03:20] » I think it's time that we revisit. >> Well, it was discussed. Yes. All it was

[1:03:25] was brought up in the same kind of fashion I brought this up.

[1:03:28] » There's no real detailed discussion. Um, >> but there are other count other towns

[1:03:34] that have looked at their properties and identified properties that they might be

[1:03:38] willing to swap. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. like Delhi I think did and I

[1:03:42] think there were like four of them. >> Yeah. But well guess me I mean we can

[1:03:44] look at a map and say wow we could give this up but if it's a private land owner

[1:03:48] how the hell we know if he wants to give up his but like we own the breakies lot

[1:03:52] we could say we'll give that up. You want to buy that give us back a more

[1:03:56] developable place because we can't develop the

[1:04:00] breakies lot anyway. >> Our our our lots. Yeah. Which are fewer.

[1:04:04] » Right. It's going to be few and far between.

[1:04:05] » Right. Yeah. There's >> like you said I think it's too early.

[1:04:08] » Yeah. It's way too early. I will I will find out. I will get a map

[1:04:11] and then I >> I was reluctant to bring it up because

[1:04:15] » I think we need to relook at the designation in our parcels.

[1:04:19] » The who? >> The Ham

[1:04:21] Hamlet. Hamlet. >> It's interesting that you say that

[1:04:24] because my next comment >> that I wrote in that I just got a call

[1:04:29] from. >> Okay, we're done with the land swap

[1:04:32] stuff. Okay, >> I got a call.

[1:04:34] » Did you hear what she said? said that we need a a map that has our parcels and

[1:04:38] their parcels so we can see if there's >> you mean town owned parcels.

[1:04:42] » Yeah. >> Oh, okay.

[1:04:43] » And the and the hamlet designation. [clears throat]

[1:04:48] » That's a different subject. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is different,

[1:04:51] » right? >> It's not by

[1:04:55] » But but yes, you're right. because that is what is reserved for uh future

[1:05:00] develop.

[1:05:04] » Yeah. >> Um

[1:05:05] » good point. >> I got a call and I can't remember her

[1:05:07] name but she is I think she's the coordinator for the whack easements

[1:05:13] » and she wants to evidently there's a lot of uh confusion and misunderstanding of

[1:05:20] what wack easements can do or can't do and she wanted to know if she'd like to

[1:05:27] and uh do a uh >> presentation

[1:05:30] » an hour brief presentation >> on what

[1:05:34] » you know what that's that >> oh I know where it went I I I read right

[1:05:39] between the lines but I say I will bring it up to the board if that's something

[1:05:42] you guys are interested in we can schedule a uh

[1:05:47] » um >> I mean I don't think it hurts us to know

[1:05:49] that >> if we're going to do it though if it's

[1:05:52] an hour presentation we should have the presentation

[1:05:56] before >> before the meeting at 5.

[1:05:59] » Okay. >> So, we can meet at 6 and you need to

[1:06:02] advertise to the public. You'd like to find out more.

[1:06:05] » Yeah. >> We're going to have this presentation

[1:06:07] between five and six. Whatever. >> Make it a public meeting.

[1:06:11] » Do you want it at the next meeting? Meeting in September.

[1:06:21] » Publicational meeting. It's anformational meeting.

[1:06:25] » Okay. And the >> public hearing is too

[1:06:29] » specific, right? So we can just >> we don't have to call it that.

[1:06:33] » No, just a meeting >> because we're not going to really take

[1:06:36] any public input.

[1:06:41] » Yeah. >> September for Well, let me confirm with

[1:06:43] her. September 14th at five o'clock. >> All right.

[1:06:49] » And what is it? WACk. the wet watershed egg council

[1:06:53] » wa >> who who is it

[1:06:56] » I can't remember her name

[1:07:06] » because I wonder about that too that that was one of my big concerns with

[1:07:10] that is what they're trying to get if it was a solar

[1:07:18] that's what >> well doc has We don't know what the

[1:07:21] motive is, >> right?

[1:07:23] » Yeah, but we need to be able >> Maybe they just want to be, you know,

[1:07:27] good partners. >> Yeah, right.

[1:07:29] » I doubt that.

[1:07:34] » We could. So, yeah. 5:00 on the 14th. Yes.

[1:07:41] » Pencil it in. Don't >> That's right.

[1:07:44] » That's just our next meeting, right? >> Okay. So after two or three months of

[1:07:51] no activity whatsoever,

[1:07:56] Tamara puts on Facebook. >> Well, that was smart.

[1:08:00] » Thursday the ad for court security. >> Yeah,

[1:08:05] » I got six six emails or six contacts. >> We had we al we already had one person

[1:08:12] come in and get the application. >> So,

[1:08:17] Yeah. Well, >> so um

[1:08:20] » what is new? >> What here? The process that I'm telling

[1:08:23] them >> is

[1:08:27] uh come in and get an application. >> Next month,

[1:08:31] » we'll get the application and Carly's going to Carly's going to review the

[1:08:38] » requirements. [laughter] >> Yeah, Carly's going to review the uh um

[1:08:43] requirements. >> Where where did we land on armed versus

[1:08:46] is unarmed. >> We're armed.

[1:08:47] » Armed. Okay. >> Definitely armed. Yes.

[1:08:48] » But it's a >> Does the application have

[1:08:52] » civil service thing, isn't it? >> It's the

[1:08:55] regular application. So, I think it ends up asking what

[1:09:00] » like what extra licenses or anything that they have.

[1:09:03] » But isn't it a civil service position so that they have to take a

[1:09:08] » test >> or they have to take a something?

[1:09:11] somebody who told me that they were looking at applying that there was some

[1:09:16] kind of >> there's a training

[1:09:18] » training or something that they didn't want to pay for. So that will come back

[1:09:22] to us too. Yeah. But if they meet certain requirements that they already

[1:09:25] have. Yes. >> The two people that I retired police

[1:09:29] officer they don't have spoke with >> are either retired police officers

[1:09:34] » currently trained police officers. So I don't think

[1:09:39] » Huh. I don't think the uh the requirements for the training are going

[1:09:45] to be hard to hurdle but there may be some other she'll check in on the uh

[1:09:51] » I got a read service but there there are yeah there are exemptions to that and

[1:09:57] being a police officer active or retired is

[1:10:00] » a background check and all that good stuff.

[1:10:05] I got to think I'm sure if they're if they're certified and they they have

[1:10:10] maintained their certification >> background check.

[1:10:13] » It is up to us to do our due diligence. That's why I called you today. Make sure

[1:10:19] you have that. >> Chris Chris told me before the meeting

[1:10:22] that he may know a bunch of >> Yes. Yep. He said there's I guess

[1:10:28] there's a company that does >> several of the courts in the

[1:10:32] » county that provide court security. Some company.

[1:10:36] » Do you know what it's called? >> Uh he did say I can't remember what it

[1:10:40] said. >> What was that? What? Remember I laughed?

[1:10:43] » What was that? >> Oh, what what Chris brought up? Like

[1:10:46] booty security. >> Yeah, booty security. And I laughed and

[1:10:50] then like he goes, "No, I'm serious. I'm serious. I've actually seen their

[1:10:54] trucks. >> Okay.

[1:10:56] » Who's watching your booty when the back of

[1:11:00] » But he said they do a bunch of cords. >> Yes.

[1:11:03] » Yeah. >> Imagine, you know, three three months no

[1:11:08] activity whatsoever because we advertised in one location and a simple

[1:11:13] Facebook post. Yet that's >> that's good.

[1:11:17] » Watch our videos. >> Okay.

[1:11:19] » All right. That's all I have. Um any uh I've got a couple of things

[1:11:23] » committee committee reports. >> No, it's not exactly a committee report.

[1:11:28] one uh we've got a terrible problem with this Japanese notweed

[1:11:33] » and it's prevalent in every township in the

[1:11:38] county and I think it's something that the county should address how we're

[1:11:42] going to deal with it because it's gotten to the point where it's driving

[1:11:47] out and killing all of the native uh environmental grasses and trees and

[1:11:52] stuff. You know, you don't see much. We used to

[1:11:56] have a lot of shoeac for example all over the place and you don't see that

[1:11:59] now because it's been >> crowded out by

[1:12:01] » it's very invasive. >> Yes.

[1:12:03] » By the Japanese notweed >> and it's hard to get rid of

[1:12:07] » well they've done a very excellent job of it.

[1:12:11] It's probably not legal the way they did it.

[1:12:14] » No, but my prospect house behind it the the whole yard was that when we first

[1:12:19] and we chopped and mowed and you know and we finally got it but it three years

[1:12:24] of continuing mowing to >> not even not even mowing. You have to

[1:12:28] cover it and yeah >> you had to chop it sometimes certain

[1:12:32] times of year and yeah >> but I mean

[1:12:36] it wasn't like you could do it once and you don't

[1:12:38] » I I can't remember you spray with

[1:12:43] » No, you can't spray this near the water. >> Well, I understand that

[1:12:47] » I spray it. They years ago when he when he

[1:12:53] » flowers

[1:12:57] but anyway. >> Yeah.

[1:12:59] » All right. I got I got that >> toxic water.

[1:13:02] » Yeah. >> Thing that I had the other thing that I

[1:13:05] had. >> You don't get one.

[1:13:06] » No, I get two tonight. >> Because you didn't have any

[1:13:10] » one side of the roof to the other >> because the roads.

[1:13:14] » Hold on. Hold on. Doc >> L's got the floor. The other thing uh

[1:13:18] that I think we should explore uh a couple of the towns over in the other

[1:13:23] end of the county uh Roxberry and Middletown specifically have been

[1:13:29] successful getting block grants community block grants uh of the uh town

[1:13:37] of Middletown uh Glenn Fartner's just finishing one up now where they got

[1:13:43] $500,000 and they put the money restoring

[1:13:48] uh or up I don't not restoring exactly but I guess making them more livable

[1:13:55] farm houses and stuff in the rural area and it's 100% covered I don't know if I

[1:14:01] don't remember if the town has it has to put up part of it but doesn't cost

[1:14:06] » go to who's the underwriter or the grant >> it comes to the town

[1:14:10] » but who's the underwriter >> it's got to be a state like CBDGB or

[1:14:15] whatever they call Yeah, it might be.

[1:14:17] » I I'll I'll ask Glenn what process he took and see if see if there's a window

[1:14:25] » opening period. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:14:28] » Uh he had uh help from Mark or Mrark, however you say it over there.

[1:14:36] » Mark, >> it's the uh

[1:14:40] » Arville. Yeah. Okay. They wrote the grants I

[1:14:45] think for him or helped him with them. >> Okay.

[1:14:48] » But the idea is to take these uh you know we have we talk about Mrs. Smith

[1:14:53] who lives in the village here can't afford her house. Well, you know

[1:14:57] » can't afford a new roof. >> New roof.

[1:14:58] » Yeah. That stuff. >> This is

[1:15:01] » exactly the grant to the village is for the village. If we get a grant for the

[1:15:05] township, we can incorporate both residences in the town and in the

[1:15:10] village as well. >> And I was asked a, and this would be a

[1:15:14] good point for something like that. I was asked about a trailer, two trailers

[1:15:20] that basically have been abandoned, garbage, food,

[1:15:25] » marin

[1:15:29] Jess is on it. >> Okay. So, and but how do you get that

[1:15:32] cleaned up kind of thing and stuff like that? And like when we couldn't even get

[1:15:35] them to mow the lawn, remember by shick and stuff and because but I don't know

[1:15:40] if anybody's paying their taxes on that. So you're on that Mark.

[1:15:44] » Mark. Yeah. I had a >> good

[1:15:50] She uh hit me up the other day. Yes. I told her we were going through

[1:15:55] transition with codes. She understood. She understood. She goes, "We may not be

[1:15:59] able to get them to know the law, but we can get them to clean up the properties,

[1:16:02] » especially if it was abandoned or whatever." I would think and

[1:16:06] I don't know what we can do, but I would ask and I forgot until you just were

[1:16:10] saying that. Well, that that's a good point,

[1:16:15] Carly. If we make contact with a property owner

[1:16:20] » who has garbage all the time and we contract with someone to go clean

[1:16:26] it, can we add that bill onto their taxes?

[1:16:30] » I thought we couldn't go on their property.

[1:16:32] » You have to um >> you have to the code officer has to

[1:16:37] serve them tickets, >> right,

[1:16:39] » first? You have to give them opportunity to clean it up. Then if they do not do

[1:16:43] it, then I believe it is in our local law where we can

[1:16:47] » go on clean >> go on and clean it.

[1:16:49] » We just couldn't mow it. >> Say it again.

[1:16:51] » We just couldn't mow it because we talked about that long time ago with

[1:16:55] that other property. >> The other property we didn't want to

[1:16:59] » we didn't want to spend the money to do it.

[1:17:04] » Just like um there was a a property where the house was in disrepair.

[1:17:10] Uh, and and didn't we tear it down and then we added it to their taxes?

[1:17:15] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:17:16] » The same same concept >> going up lower third.

[1:17:19] » Yeah. >> I don't

[1:17:24] I don't remember how it came. So, but they could afford to do it. They weren't

[1:17:29] responding. >> I think there was a bar we were afraid

[1:17:30] was going to follow. >> Yeah. So, yeah, we tore it down and then

[1:17:35] uh put it on their taxes. >> Okay.

[1:17:38] » All right. Anything else? No, that covers it for this month.

[1:17:42] » All right. Uh, any committee reports?

[1:17:47] Okay. Uh, approval of abstracts. Anybody care to make a motion?

[1:17:52] » I'll make a motion. >> Second.

[1:17:53] » Get a motion and a second to approve the abstracts. Is any further discussion?

[1:17:58] All in favor? >> Any opposed?

[1:18:02] » That motion's carried. And we do need to go in executive session to discuss

[1:18:06] negotiations. Someone >> I make a move we do today.

[1:18:09] » I'll second it. >> We got a motion in a second to go into

[1:18:12] executive session for negotiations. Any further discussion? All in favor?

[1:18:18] » Any opposed? >> That motion's carried.

[1:18:21] » All right. >> Thank you, ladies.

[1:18:24] » I don't believe we're going to make any Wait a minute. Uh Tamara,

[1:18:29] » no action will be taken after night. Thank you.

[1:18:32] » Thank you, Sue.

August 10, 2026 Board meeting

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