[0:54] >> Good evening. Gonna call

[0:56] to order a meeting of the

[0:58] Planning Commission for March

[1:00] 25, 2025. Madam Secretary, can

[1:01] we have a roll call, please?

[1:02] >>[CALLING ROLL]

[1:18] >> I pledge allegiance to the

[1:19] Flag of the United States of

[1:21] America and to the Republic

[1:22] for which it stands, one

[1:24] Nation under God, indivisible,

[1:25] with liberty and justice

[1:27] for all.

[1:30] >> Thank you.

[1:33] Moving on to item four,

[1:34] conflict

[1:35] of interest declarations. Do

[1:37] any commissioners have any

[1:38] conflicts with the agenda?

[1:40] Seeing none. Move on

[1:42] to item five, changes

[1:43] to the agenda. Director

[1:45] Streeter, are there any changes

[1:46] to the agenda tonight?

[1:47] >> There are no changes

[1:48] to the agenda, Chair.

[1:50] >> Thank you. Moving on to

[1:52] Item 6, presentations. Item

[1:54] 6.1. We'll have a presentation

[1:55] on the Windsor active

[1:57] transportation plan. Mr.

[2:00] Euphret is here

[2:01] to introduce this item.

[2:13] >> Good afternoon, Chair

[2:14] Kubota, Planning commissioners.

[2:16] Carl Euphret with Public

[2:17] Works. I'm here tonight

[2:32] in place of Alejandro Perez,

[2:34] our senior civil engineer who

[2:36] manages the transportation

[2:37] group for the town. And

[2:38] Alejandro has managed this

[2:39] project. He couldn't be here

[2:41] tonight. My main focus right

[2:42] now is actually just

[2:44] to introduce Barry Bergman

[2:47] from W Trans, who has assisted

[2:48] in developing this plan. And

[2:51] we'll be providing the

[2:52] presentation tonight

[2:53] at the very end. There'll be

[2:55] questions, we'll take notes,

[2:56] answer any questions we can,

[2:58] and carry forward. So

[2:59] with that, I'll turn it over

[3:00] to Barry.

[3:02] >> Thank you, Carl. Pleasure

[3:03] to be here tonight and

[3:05] to share the overview of the

[3:06] active transportation plan

[3:07] with you. And there's a lot

[3:10] in there. It's

[3:12] kind

[3:14] of a high level overview, but I

[3:16] welcome any questions and

[3:18] comments once we get through.

[3:19] So I just want to start out by

[3:21] saying that this plan really

[3:22] marks a shift in active

[3:24] transportation planning

[3:27] for the town of Windsor. And

[3:28] that really reflects kind of

[3:30] what's happening more broadly

[3:31] just in the state of the

[3:33] practice and the development of

[3:35] complete streets and I'm sure

[3:36] just the kinds

[3:38] of facilities you've seen

[3:40] in town here and elsewhere

[3:41] in the area. Historically, the

[3:43] common practice was really

[3:45] to just add a bike lane stripe

[3:47] on the road where there was

[3:48] space available. And it really

[3:50] just became a situation where

[3:52] people realized that most

[3:54] people just don't feel

[3:55] comfortable biking

[3:57] in those kinds of facilities.

[3:59] Unless they're, you know,

[4:01] really more dedicated cyclists.

[4:03] And it's not appropriate

[4:04] for all ages. And so,

[4:06] so there's been a trend toward

[4:08] designing more protected

[4:10] facilities. And that was a big

[4:12] thrust of what we

[4:13] wanted to do here.

[4:15] So, this plan was undertaken

[4:17] with, with urging from council

[4:19] to emphasize more protected

[4:20] facilities and also

[4:21] on the pedestrian side,

[4:23] to look at crossings that are

[4:25] currently uncontrolled, so

[4:26] where there's no stop signs or

[4:28] signals, and to get

[4:29] across the major streets. So

[4:31] this is the purpose of

[4:37] the active transportation plan.

[4:39] The recommendations combine

[4:41] several things. We started with

[4:42] the projects that were

[4:43] identified in the 2014

[4:45] Bicycle Pedestrian Master Plan

[4:47] and then incorporated

[4:49] recommendations from numerous

[4:50] recent plans that were done.

[4:55] As I said, we were focusing

[4:58] on more protected facilities,

[4:59] what we call low traffic stress

[5:01] bicycle facilities,

[5:03] and then looking for places to

[5:04] enhance uncontrolled pedestrian

[5:06] crossings. A couple

[5:07] of the really important reasons

[5:09] for doing something

[5:10] like this is one, to have this

[5:12] documented enables it's a lot

[5:14] easier to condition incoming

[5:15] development,

[5:17] to provide facilities

[5:18] along the frontages, and also

[5:19] provides support and

[5:21] eligibility

[5:23] for grant funding,

[5:25] which is a big way a lot

[5:26] of these projects get funded.

[5:29] So just a little bit

[5:30] of background. This is just

[5:32] commute data, which is most

[5:34] of the data we have

[5:35] about transportation. You can

[5:38] see the biking and walking

[5:40] percentages are quite low,

[5:43] but that leaves out a lot

[5:45] of trips. And so we have some

[5:46] other data. This was based

[5:48] on big data collected

[5:49] from mobile devices, looking

[5:51] at all trips. And so we look

[5:53] at 10% of trips were under 1

[5:54] mile in Windsor, 20% were 1

[5:56] to 2 miles, and 27% were 2 to

[5:58] 5 miles. So take that

[6:00] together we have more than half

[6:02] trips or less than five miles.

[6:03] So not all of those trips

[6:05] obviously would be bicycling

[6:07] walking trips, but we could

[6:08] certainly imagine significant

[6:10] increase over what's currently

[6:12] out there. There was some

[6:14] outreach done as part

[6:16] of this project. We had a

[6:18] project website where people

[6:20] could log on, get information,

[6:22] and then provide their input

[6:23] and express their concerns. It

[6:25] included an interactive map so

[6:27] people are able to go

[6:29] in and put a pin down, write

[6:31] comments, comment

[6:33] on other people's comments. So

[6:34] that was a valuable source

[6:36] of input. This is a word cloud

[6:37] was collected from all the

[6:40] comments that was generated.

[6:42] So the larger ones are the ones

[6:44] that were more dominant and not

[6:45] too surprisingly, things

[6:47] like traffic and school. And

[6:50] you can see several familiar

[6:53] street names popping up there.

[6:55] So there was definitely some

[6:57] consistent patterns that

[6:58] emerged. So to identify the

[7:01] bicycle improvements,

[7:03] we looked at a number

[7:05] of different factors. This map

[7:06] here on the left shows where

[7:08] There were clusters of

[7:10] collisions involving

[7:13] pedestrians and bicyclists. So

[7:15] you can see a lot of them,

[7:17] particularly along old

[7:18] Redwood Highway, Windsor

[7:20] River Road. And then

[7:22] on the map on the right,

[7:25] just those. A lot

[7:27] of the key destinations,

[7:28] places that people would want

[7:30] to be able to access using

[7:31] walking and bicycling. So

[7:34] shopping centers, schools,

[7:36] parks, center of town, just,

[7:39] but, you know,

[7:41] covers a pretty broad range

[7:42] of the town. And those are

[7:43] things that we looked

[7:45] at when we try

[7:46] to evaluate proposed projects.

[7:48] Just wanted

[7:49] to introduce a little jargon

[7:50] for those of you who may not be

[7:52] familiar. So there are six

[7:53] classifications of bicycle

[7:55] facilities that we're talking

[7:56] about and I will show you some

[7:58] images

[8:00] to give you a better sense

[8:01] for those who are not familiar

[8:02] with it. Class one,

[8:04] multi use paths. Class two are

[8:06] the standard bike lanes. Just a

[8:07] road stripe that's over near

[8:09] Foothill regional park. Class

[8:11] 2B is a buffered bike lane. So

[8:12] where you have some separation

[8:14] between the bike lane and the

[8:16] roadway, and that's a Windsor

[8:18] Road. So it's a higher speed

[8:20] environment. Class 3 is where

[8:23] bicyclists mix

[8:25] with vehicle traffic. So it's

[8:27] typically a slower environment.

[8:29] So there's less

[8:30] of a speed differential. And

[8:34] then we have a bicycle

[8:36] boulevard, which is also

[8:39] something where bicycles mix

[8:40] with vehicle traffic. And the

[8:42] difference between a bicycle

[8:43] boulevard and a standard bike

[8:45] route is that typically there's

[8:47] some sort

[8:48] of traffic calming measures

[8:50] in there

[8:52] to reduce the vehicle speeds.

[8:54] And then we have Class 4, which

[8:55] is similar

[8:57] to the one I showed previously

[8:59] with the buffer. But the

[9:00] difference is that there's a

[9:02] vertical element. It's

[9:04] typically a bollard or

[9:06] sometimes a curb and that sort

[9:08] of thing. So this one's on

[9:09] Brooks Road South. Just kind

[9:11] of explain the rationale

[9:12] for how we would, how we went

[9:14] about constructing the

[9:15] recommendations. These numbers

[9:16] are based on a survey,

[9:18] a national survey

[9:19] of people just how they thought

[9:21] of themselves in terms

[9:22] of bicycling. So you can see

[9:23] that 1% put themselves in the

[9:25] strong and fearless category,

[9:26] meaning they're basically

[9:29] comfortable biking anywhere.

[9:30] Then they have the enthused and

[9:31] confident, so also somewhat

[9:33] confident,

[9:34] comfortable bicycling

[9:36] in traffic. The number that

[9:37] really jumps out is the 60%,

[9:39] interested but concerned. So

[9:40] people who really are deterred

[9:42] from bicycling because

[9:43] of potential problems

[9:45] with traffic. And then there's

[9:50] 33% who basically have no

[9:51] interest or perhaps no ability

[9:53] to bicycle. So that's not a

[9:54] group that we need

[9:56] to be thinking about. It's just

[9:58] not going

[9:59] to make a difference.

[10:01] But 60%, that's the group that

[10:02] we're really trying to go

[10:03] after here with having these

[10:05] more protected facilities to

[10:07] provide an environment that

[10:08] attracts the broadest number

[10:10] of users possible. And we can

[10:12] get hopefully some substantial

[10:13] increases in usage. So this is

[10:15] just showing how different

[10:16] types

[10:18] of facilities are selected

[10:20] for different roadways. You

[10:21] know, obviously you have

[10:23] to consider a lot

[10:24] of different factors. Often

[10:26] there's just not the space

[10:30] available, but ideally. So the

[10:32] dark blue area starts at

[10:34] around 35 miles an hour. And

[10:36] then on the vertical axis

[10:37] you've got the traffic volume,

[10:39] so about 7,000 vehicles per

[10:41] day. And so the higher the

[10:42] volume, the higher the speed.

[10:43] You want more protection. So

[10:45] either a shared use path or a

[10:46] separated bike lane or some

[10:48] kind of. Some kind

[10:50] of just that protection, then

[10:51] you have slightly lower speeds

[10:53] and lower volumes. Buffered

[10:54] bike lane is the preferred

[10:55] treatment. And then when you

[10:57] get down

[10:59] to the lowest volumes,

[11:01] less than 3,000 a day,

[11:02] less than 25 miles an hour,

[11:04] that's more an opportunity

[11:06] where bicyclists and vehicles

[11:08] can share the road. So getting

[11:11] that speed differential

[11:12] down is really important.

[11:16] Bicycle parking is an important

[11:17] thing to consider here.

[11:18] There's certainly a lot

[11:20] of racks available,

[11:22] particularly around the town

[11:23] of Green, right around here.

[11:25] But we also want

[11:26] to expand that to look more at

[11:28] parking that could be provided

[11:30] by employers,

[11:32] which might require. So it'd be

[11:34] longer term throughout the day,

[11:35] so might require more

[11:37] protection,

[11:38] so they're less vulnerable to

[11:40] weather and theft and that sort

[11:41] of thing. So we have some

[11:43] recommendations around that.

[11:44] On the pedestrian side,

[11:46] we're looking

[11:49] at a few different types

[11:50] of facilities. On the left you

[11:53] can see that's the intersection

[11:54] of Windsor Road at Ryman. And

[11:56] that's a rectangular rapid

[11:59] flashing beacon. And so those

[12:02] are used as their push button

[12:04] activated, they'll flash and

[12:06] they have a very high rate

[12:08] of yielding of motorists, much

[12:10] higher than when they're not

[12:12] present. The second shot is

[12:14] of a curb extension. So that

[12:19] reduces the crossing distance

[12:21] and gets pedestrians in a

[12:23] position where they can be more

[12:24] easily seen by motorists. And

[12:26] the third one,

[12:29] there's also the flashing

[12:30] beacon there,

[12:33] that's up the freeway

[12:34] on ramp,

[12:35] but it has a raised crosswalk.

[12:37] So it's similar

[12:38] to a speed hump,

[12:39] but a little flatter,

[12:41] but provides requires motors

[12:43] to slow

[12:44] down as they're crossing,

[12:48] a bicycle pedestrian facility.

[12:50] So the project recommendations

[12:52] to prioritize the projects,

[12:54] we group the projects

[12:56] in three different groups. So

[12:57] with trail projects,

[13:00] like I said, this was really a

[13:02] focused update. And so the

[13:04] trails. The city's trail study

[13:07] that was done a few years ago

[13:08] took A highly detailed look at

[13:10] the trail projects and did an

[13:11] analysis based on a number

[13:15] of factors. And so we didn't

[13:17] want

[13:19] to throw that good work away.

[13:20] But so projects that still had

[13:22] not been constructed,

[13:24] we basically carried forward

[13:26] into the current plan on street

[13:28] bicycle projects and pedestrian

[13:30] crossing improvements. We

[13:32] didn't want to. It is an apples

[13:33] and oranges kind of thing.

[13:35] But the types

[13:37] of criteria we're using,

[13:38] whether they provide access

[13:40] to major destinations, so

[13:41] hopefully that reflects some

[13:43] level of usage, network

[13:45] connectivity. I think

[13:47] particularly where you're

[13:48] talking

[13:49] about bicycle projects, if you

[13:51] have a bicycle facility and

[13:52] then you suddenly ends or it

[13:54] becomes a much less protected

[13:56] facility, that for a lot

[13:57] of users may be enough

[13:59] to deter them

[14:00] from using it altogether.

[14:02] So just to have more

[14:04] interconnected system address

[14:06] safety issues. So we looked at

[14:07] the collision history where

[14:09] there was more of a need to

[14:10] that and the warrant analysis

[14:12] that's for the

[14:13] pedestrian side,

[14:15] when we look at where

[14:16] to put those flashing beacons,

[14:19] we look at things

[14:21] like the vehicle speed, the

[14:22] volume, the number

[14:24] of pedestrians anticipated, and

[14:25] there's a mathematical form

[14:27] formula that determines whether

[14:30] that's a good treatment

[14:31] for that type of location. And

[14:33] then community support,

[14:35] we look to see which was

[14:37] previously identified

[14:39] in other plans and

[14:41] through a public process. And

[14:42] then we also gave some extra

[14:43] weight on the bicycle side for

[14:44] those facilities that did

[14:45] provide some separation. So the

[14:47] class 2B, the striped bike,

[14:48] the buffered bike lane, or the

[14:49] class four are the ones that

[14:51] had the vertical element

[14:52] in there. So looking

[14:53] at the total

[14:55] of the recommendations, the

[14:56] trails, there are 18.8 miles

[14:57] of trail segments for the

[14:59] on street bicycle facilities,

[15:01] a total of 24.5 miles. If you

[15:03] total up, you look

[15:05] at the buffered bike lanes. So

[15:07] the Class 2B is 3.2 miles. The

[15:08] separated bike lanes, the

[15:10] Class 4 is 10.2 miles,

[15:12] and the Class 2 or Class 4,

[15:13] that requires a little more

[15:14] study because sometimes whether

[15:16] you can put a barrier

[15:17] in there, you'd have to look

[15:20] at driveways and other kinds

[15:21] of factors. That just requires

[15:23] a little more study. But when

[15:25] you combine those three things,

[15:26] that's about 17 miles

[15:28] of bikeway out of the 24. So it

[15:30] was definitely an emphasis on

[15:31] those more protected facilities

[15:33] for pedestrians. We looked

[15:34] at third 33 enhanced crossings,

[15:36] and a lot of those are those

[15:37] flashing beacons or other kinds

[15:39] of things where there might be

[15:42] medians. And then there were

[15:44] several sidewalk apps

[15:47] along major streets that we,

[15:49] that we included

[15:51] in the recommendations.

[15:55] After doing the prioritization,

[15:59] we took the kind

[16:03] of the top tier

[16:05] of projects and presented them

[16:09] to the public and tried

[16:11] to see, well, which of those

[16:13] projects do people feel most

[16:14] strongly about

[16:16] to help guide staff

[16:17] in pursuing funding. And also

[16:19] it's something that can be used

[16:21] in a grant application to help

[16:22] support and demonstrate that

[16:24] the public is in favor

[16:25] of these types of projects. So

[16:27] the lines on there, the blue

[16:29] segments represent the priority

[16:31] bike projects and the numbers

[16:33] are the locations

[16:34] of the pedestrian crossings.

[16:37] So here's a list of those. So

[16:40] you can see Old Redwood

[16:42] Highway, Shiloh Road, Arata

[16:44] Star Road. So I think the

[16:46] streets that most people would

[16:48] predict that they would be

[16:51] in favor of and these are the

[16:53] ones where via usage and where

[16:55] there is the opportunity

[16:57] to put in these facilities.

[17:00] The numbers with the circles

[17:02] are the pedestrian projects.

[17:04] You can see that it's like on

[17:07] Shiloh Road on the bottom you

[17:13] can see it says bike project

[17:16] number seven. So it's a little

[17:19] hard to see. That

[17:22] on the next page. So these are

[17:25] the pedestrian projects

[17:27] in order. And the particular

[17:29] intersections, you can see

[17:31] there's different types

[17:32] of treatments recommended.

[17:34] There are FBs, the flashing

[17:36] beacons, curb extensions,

[17:38] crosswalks,

[17:39] various treatments. There were

[17:41] several other recommendations

[17:43] aside

[17:44] from the specific projects. As

[17:46] I mentioned before,

[17:47] we were looking

[17:48] at bicycle parking. And so what

[17:50] most jurisdictions have

[17:51] traditionally done

[17:53] around bike parking is to

[17:55] require bike parking as a

[17:56] percentage of the total parking

[17:58] requirements, let's say 10%.

[17:59] And what we wanted to do was

[18:01] to look in a more nuanced way

[18:03] at the needs

[18:04] for specific land uses. So

[18:06] for retail, for office,

[18:08] what types of bike parking

[18:10] would be appropriate? So

[18:11] for example,

[18:13] bike racks would be fine for

[18:15] retail customers who wouldn't

[18:17] be there for maybe more than an

[18:19] hour or two. But

[18:20] for an employee who's going

[18:22] to be there for eight hours,

[18:24] they're going

[18:25] to want some sort

[18:27] of a protected facility, a

[18:29] locked, you know,

[18:31] locker or a room or something

[18:32] like that. So there were some

[18:34] established, some, some, some

[18:36] approaches that have been

[18:38] taken. We included a sample in

[18:40] there and it's really something

[18:42] that needs to be Windsor

[18:44] specific. But it was least we

[18:45] provide some guidance as a

[18:47] place to start. We also

[18:49] recommend that the town

[18:50] continue to support the Safe

[18:52] Routes to School programming.

[18:53] That's really gotten a

[18:55] lot of participation and, and

[18:57] it's especially as new

[18:59] facilities come online

[19:01] to get children more

[19:02] comfortable

[19:04] with using them and also

[19:07] to look at opportunities

[19:09] for reducing speeding. Part

[19:11] of that

[19:13] through enforcement and also

[19:15] with the passage of AB

[19:17] 43, which provides the towns

[19:18] more flexibility

[19:20] to reduce speed limits and

[19:22] at selected locations. So that

[19:23] in itself is a whole other

[19:26] process And I know it's just

[19:27] starting to be implemented

[19:28] in different places

[19:30] around the area. Just wanted

[19:31] to show a map of the network. I

[19:32] don't know if anyone's had a

[19:33] chance to review the plan

[19:35] to put it online. It's a little

[19:36] hard to see at this scale,

[19:37] but it does give you a sense of

[19:39] where the coverage and the

[19:40] types

[19:41] of facilities. I did zoom

[19:42] in a little bit. So if you want

[19:44] to take a closer look and ask

[19:45] some questions. This is the

[19:46] northern part of town and then

[19:48] we have the southern part

[19:50] of town. Pedestrian

[19:52] improvements. These were the

[19:55] intersection locations. You can

[19:57] see a lot along Old Redwood

[20:00] highway, in particular Star

[20:02] Road. And that's all I've got.

[20:04] I do have copies of the

[20:08] project list as a table and so

[20:13] just wanted to share that

[20:15] in case you want to have that

[20:17] in front of you.

[20:21] >> Thank you very much. This

[20:28] time we're going to open it up

[20:29] to the commissioners

[20:31] for questions of stop.

[20:37] Commission Rennie, go

[20:39] ahead.

[20:41] >> When you're talking about

[20:43] parking facilities or

[20:45] bicycling, a lot of communities

[20:47] and I think we only have one,

[20:48] have tool stations kind of

[20:49] along the main corridors

[20:51] to be available for cyclists.

[20:52] Are those considered

[20:55] in these plans? Or either water

[20:58] stations or tool stations

[21:00] along these routes. So I think

[21:03] that's be very favorable.

[21:07] >> Yeah, it's not something we

[21:09] currently have in there, but we

[21:10] could certainly add that. I

[21:12] mean, I know I have seen them

[21:13] around. I think

[21:14] in certain places they've,

[21:16] they've been well received. I

[21:18] have heard people express

[21:19] concerns

[21:22] about them getting vandalized.

[21:24] So I think the location

[21:25] probably needs to be consider

[21:26] pretty carefully.

[21:28] >> Yeah, the location probably

[21:29] does make a difference. I just

[21:30] have two that I pass from time

[21:31] to time here on the town Green

[21:32] and then on north street and

[21:33] Healdsburg, which is right, I

[21:35] think, right next to Town

[21:37] Hall. So it probably is a

[21:38] favorable location. And that

[21:40] one has a bike pump where some

[21:42] of the other locations don't.

[21:46] It's a pretty nice amenity. If

[21:48] we're looking

[21:49] at really supporting cyclists,

[21:50] both those in the community and

[21:51] those visiting passing through,

[21:53] those are really favorable

[21:54] amenities to consider.

[22:06] >> I have something quick. I

[22:08] was looking

[22:09] through the table and

[22:10] through the presentation,

[22:11] and there's one area of town

[22:13] that I don't see really

[22:14] represented well on here,

[22:15] and that's Conde Lane, where

[22:16] there is really no sidewalk or

[22:18] bike lane to speak of. It's a

[22:19] little isolated because I think

[22:21] it's a retirement. Mobile homes

[22:22] pretty much down there.

[22:24] Approaching Bell Road. And it

[22:25] may be something to do

[22:26] with outreach

[22:27] in the surveys and kind

[22:29] of those responses, But I

[22:30] believe that particular area

[22:31] of town is kind of isolated

[22:32] because there isn't a walk

[22:34] around to get

[22:35] to the town green, which would

[22:37] probably be the closest

[22:39] on the list

[22:40] of things you presented.

[22:41] >> Are you talking

[22:42] about a particular part of

[22:43] Condi Lane or?

[22:45] >> It'd probably be from Bell

[22:46] Road north to connecting up

[22:47] where the bowling alley is?

[22:49] >> Yeah, we have. I think there

[22:50] is a recommendation

[22:53] along pretty much the entirety

[22:54] of Conde Lane.

[22:56] >> But I think it's hard

[22:59] to see on this. Chair, I

[23:01] could say it is Conde Lane,

[23:03] but one of my comments was they

[23:06] got class one. And then, oh,

[23:07] boy,

[23:10] I am ferociously colorblind.

[23:11] So these drive me nuts. So I

[23:13] think you got Class 1

[23:15] on there. Maybe Class 2.

[23:17] >> 2B.

[23:19] >> 2 or 2B from Bell Road

[23:21] south.

[23:23] >> Yeah, if I could jump

[23:24] on that. I think I live

[23:25] in that area. That should be an

[23:27] absolutely protected bike lane.

[23:28] There are a lot of people who

[23:29] use motorized wheelchairs who

[23:31] go on Conde and there's plenty

[23:34] of space there. There's a

[23:36] desire path, you know, a foot

[23:37] off the lane that goes all the

[23:39] way up.

[23:41] >> Are you talking about the

[23:43] southern section there or. I'm

[23:44] just. I know the

[23:45] characteristics change the

[23:47] road, Conde.

[23:48] >> Essentially from. Once you

[23:50] get about a quarter mile past

[23:51] Mitchell heading north.

[23:53] >> Okay.

[23:57] >> Then you have a very wide

[23:59] shoulder that you can see

[24:01] people traverse all the time.

[24:02] And a lot of them are elderly

[24:03] and use mobility devices.

[24:06] >> So it'd be the,

[24:09] like the frontage of where

[24:11] Windsor Waterworks would have

[24:13] been.

[24:14] >> The mobile home all the way

[24:15] past Conde Vet North.

[24:17] Exactly.

[24:19] >> That's all I ever know.

[24:20] Thank you.

[24:26] >> Thank you for coming. I

[24:28] really appreciate you being

[24:29] here. Good to see you all. You

[24:30] might notice I have cleverly

[24:32] moved my bike closer. Closer.

[24:33] Because I've only been asking

[24:36] for two years and three months

[24:37] for bike parking outside this

[24:39] spot right here. And I know

[24:41] it's coming. I know we have the

[24:42] technology. I know we're going

[24:44] to find the $200 and the six

[24:45] bolts and we're going to figure

[24:47] it out.

[24:48] >> I asked yesterday because I

[24:50] wrote

[24:51] over it.

[24:52] >> I have confidence

[24:53] in the town of Windsor that we

[24:54] can do big things together.

[24:55] But if that bike comes up here

[24:56] in two more meetings,

[24:58] I'm going to start

[24:59] to make a big fuss

[25:00] about it. I do like this. I did

[25:01] review it and thank you very

[25:03] much for printing the whole

[25:04] thing out. I do have a fair

[25:05] amount

[25:07] of comments. I'll do some

[25:08] Universal ones. And then we'll

[25:10] go through it. I know we have

[25:11] another great presentation

[25:12] to come up and I don't want to

[25:13] take too much time so you guys

[25:14] can jump in and say, Tim, be

[25:16] quiet and I'll do it. 1

[25:17] universally I would like

[25:19] to see a mention of active

[25:20] transportation as the most cost

[25:22] effective method

[25:23] for transportation in a city's

[25:24] budget because roads are very

[25:26] expensive. If we can get more

[25:29] people to walk and bike,

[25:30] we will be saving money

[25:31] on our bottom line. That's 50%

[25:33] of the people is what we saw.

[25:35] From a marketing standpoint,

[25:37] guy who does a lot

[25:39] of these reports, please stop

[25:40] putting mammals middle aged men

[25:42] in Lycra as cyclists. You'll

[25:44] get a 10 year old girl

[25:46] on a bike

[25:48] on a bike lane separated by 3

[25:50] inches of paint and see how

[25:52] comfortable we feel having that

[25:54] on the front here. Because

[25:55] that's who rides their bikes

[25:57] to Cali and

[26:00] to the middle school. Stuff

[26:01] like that.

[26:04] >> You lost me on that one.

[26:05] >> I want photos

[26:07] of not the confident cyclists

[26:09] in bike lanes. I want photos

[26:12] of the 80 year old lady who

[26:14] rides her bike

[26:15] by the mobile home park

[26:17] to the grocery store. That's

[26:19] who I want because that's who

[26:21] we're writing this for.

[26:24] Right? It's not

[26:27] for chuckleheads like me

[26:29] on a bike. Some quick things

[26:31] and then I'll meet

[26:32] with you separately into some

[26:34] minor stuff and how we set it

[26:35] up. Could you delineate on all

[26:37] the pedestrian safety

[26:39] assessment and all the data you

[26:41] grab it I believe from vision0

[26:43] from SCTA and I believe that's

[26:45] all reported in incidents

[26:46] of bicycle incidents. We

[26:47] currently don't have a way

[26:49] to report if a kid is nudged

[26:50] off a bike by a car. We hear

[26:51] about on Next Door and we hear

[26:53] about on Facebook. The town

[26:54] does not have a portal for

[26:56] reporting that that I can find.

[26:58] County doesn't have that and I

[26:59] asked SCTA where they get their

[27:00] data for Vision Zero. I'm

[27:02] assuming most of it's

[27:05] from police reports and

[27:06] from insurance reports. So if

[27:08] it doesn't happen we're not

[27:10] actually capturing that data.

[27:11] >> I think that's

[27:12] through chp.

[27:13] >> Yeah, it's through chp.

[27:15] Okay. Oh boy. There's so many

[27:17] guys I would like on. I know we

[27:19] have some talk

[27:22] about complete streets and

[27:25] stuff like that. Somewhere on

[27:26] here mentions we can design

[27:28] streets to be slower. We don't

[27:30] have to worry

[27:33] about our 85% rule or whatever.

[27:34] We can design streets

[27:37] to be slow,

[27:39] we can engineer them to be fast

[27:40] and we can engineer them

[27:42] to be slow. So I think that

[27:43] could be a universal discussion

[27:45] here as we go through,

[27:46] as we talk about the other

[27:47] underlying things that build

[27:48] this document, we should

[27:50] mention that. I know it's not

[27:51] you guys.

[27:52] >> Well, actually, what I'm

[27:54] thinking is that might be a

[27:56] good comment to keep in mind

[27:57] since I know that complete

[27:59] streets guidelines are being

[28:00] updated.

[28:01] >> Right.

[28:02] >> So that'd be a good thing

[28:04] to relate to that.

[28:05] >> We might mention

[28:06] on page nine, school trips.

[28:08] They wrote school trips

[28:10] present a significant

[28:11] opportunity to increase ATP as

[28:13] students typically live close

[28:14] to the schools they attend.

[28:15] Windsor doesn't have

[28:19] neighborhood schools, so most

[28:20] kids are eventually going

[28:22] to cross town to go

[28:23] to school. So we need

[28:24] to recognize that. When we do

[28:27] on page 10, and you showed it

[28:29] in your slide, Major walking

[28:30] and bicycling destinations. I

[28:32] don't know who made this map.

[28:34] We're missing the Estrella

[28:36] Market Center. We're missing

[28:37] the entire Oliver's Town Green

[28:39] shopping center. We're missing

[28:41] the Castanedas Paul Market

[28:42] Shopping Center. So these are

[28:43] all places people walk and bike

[28:45] to. That we should put on here

[28:48] because those are definitely

[28:49] places that go on here. Yeah,

[28:51] go ahead.

[28:53] >> Adding on to that, I realize

[28:54] we highlighted all the parks. I

[28:55] don't know that the golf course

[28:56] needs to be included just

[28:57] because locally.

[29:00] >> Actually there's two people,

[29:01] many that ride their bikes to

[29:02] the golf course. I see them.

[29:03] >> Alejandro would catch the

[29:04] golf course.

[29:05] >> Another quick note, though,

[29:06] on that page 11, we have the

[29:08] safe routes to school,

[29:10] but we don't have Windsor

[29:11] High School listed

[29:13] on that page. And there's 1600

[29:14] kids. And this town just built

[29:15] an underpass so the kids could

[29:17] walk and ride their bikes

[29:18] there. So I think we should

[29:20] include that in there because

[29:21] that's very important and

[29:22] that's a huge reason of impact

[29:24] on the thing there. Let me keep

[29:25] going. I saw we mentioned the

[29:26] highway design manual. My eyes

[29:28] rolled in the back

[29:30] of the head. You redeemed

[29:32] yourself by calling

[29:33] out nacto. So thank you very

[29:34] much for putting that

[29:36] in there. I was starting

[29:37] to get worried.

[29:39] On page 18,

[29:40] existing bicycle

[29:46] facilities. You have a class

[29:48] one bike lane. There is a gap

[29:50] that's currently been filled

[29:52] by smart, so you might want

[29:54] to update that photo. It's page

[29:56] 19, figure 3. Existing bicycle

[29:58] facilities.

[30:00] >> Thank you.

[30:01] >> I can confirm, although it's

[30:02] not officially open yet,

[30:03] that the path is finished. It

[30:05] will be open soon.

[30:07] By the time this comes out.

[30:08] Bike parking, page 19. We wrote

[30:11] racks that can accommodate

[30:13] over 50 bicycles at locations

[30:15] around the town green,

[30:17] at the library and

[30:19] along streets

[30:20] of the commercial area. The

[30:22] majority

[30:23] of our bicycle racks are

[30:24] in a park. We are trying

[30:25] to get people to take

[30:26] over trips to the store and

[30:28] to work, and they're

[30:29] in the park. So I would

[30:32] like us to recognize we don't

[30:33] really have good bike parking

[30:34] in front of stores. Cafe Noto

[30:36] has none. Right. On the entire.

[30:39] There's one per block,

[30:42] sometimes two

[30:43] on the town green when there's

[30:45] 20 bike car parking spaces

[30:47] on the same block. So let's

[30:48] just rewrite this so we're not

[30:50] talking about going

[30:51] to the playground. This is

[30:53] transportation. I mean,

[30:55] the photo. Go ahead.

[30:57] >> Before we move

[30:58] on the phone photo.

[30:59] >> Also, if we can encourage

[31:01] better designed bike racks

[31:02] because there's a lot more

[31:03] efficient bike racks

[31:05] out there. And frankly,

[31:07] this u is the easiest way to

[31:08] steal your bike if it's locked

[31:09] up because it's just a few

[31:11] bolts on the ground and you

[31:12] unbolt.

[31:15] >> It and pick it up.

[31:17] >> Right? Well, it depends

[31:18] on the kind of bolting there.

[31:20] There are different

[31:21] designs, but. Yeah, I

[31:23] understand.

[31:24] >> I'm almost done, guys.

[31:26] Thank you. Page 22, we do have

[31:28] the collision history one. And

[31:29] it said for pedestrians,

[31:31] the top two crash factors

[31:32] for pedestrian right of way

[31:34] violations and pedestrian

[31:35] violations, accounting for 15

[31:37] of 18 collisions, respectively.

[31:38] I wonder where that data came

[31:39] from. Is that from a responding

[31:41] police officer? Is that

[31:42] from an insurance report?

[31:43] >> That's CHP.

[31:44] >> That's CHP. So

[31:46] we're relying

[31:47] on a police officer

[31:49] to say this is what happened.

[31:51] We don't do like an

[31:52] after analysis report or study

[31:53] like that. And I know you don't

[31:54] w chains, but I don't think

[31:55] in town does.

[31:56] >> Right.

[31:57] >> No.

[31:58] >> So we rely on the CHP

[31:59] to police report.

[32:01] >> Do we currently have a way

[32:02] to report when there's

[32:03] incidents that don't involve a

[32:06] police report?

[32:08] >> I made an earlier note kind

[32:10] of to that effect. Not that I'm

[32:13] aware of. But we will check

[32:14] that. I'd already noted that.

[32:16] >> Okay.

[32:18] >> Yeah. I mean,

[32:19] there are certainly a lot of

[32:21] collisions that happen that are

[32:22] just not reported. And so I

[32:23] think that's probably a good

[32:25] thing that we could qualify,

[32:27] you know, by. Just because we

[32:29] don't have the actual

[32:30] information

[32:32] about what's not reported,

[32:33] but we can at least acknowledge

[32:34] that there are.

[32:35] >> A lot of things and I know

[32:37] three offhand witnessed that

[32:38] are underreported and they

[32:39] involve juveniles and elderly

[32:40] people and some who are afraid

[32:41] of making an official report.

[32:43] Page 25. We talked about the

[32:44] actual goals and policies,

[32:47] which I love,

[32:49] which is fantastic.

[32:50] >> Which Policy.

[32:52] >> I'm sorry. The heading is

[32:53] goals and policy.

[32:54] >> Okay.

[32:56] >> I would like

[32:57] to add three main points. We

[32:59] should make walking and biking

[33:00] as easy as driving. We should

[33:02] make walking and biking as

[33:03] pleasant as driving. And we

[33:05] should make walking and biking

[33:06] as natural as driving. It is

[33:08] very easy for us to drive in

[33:09] Windsor. And as we know,

[33:11] it's very hard for us to walk

[33:13] and bike certain places. And

[33:14] that include things

[33:16] like benches and seats

[33:18] along paths. It would include

[33:20] things like bike parking signs

[33:21] so people know where

[33:23] to park. I'm not actually mad.

[33:24] This is my happy face. I'm

[33:28] really happy

[33:29] with this. I'm very passionate

[33:31] about this. Thank you. The

[33:34] weight, the way we do the

[33:36] engagement. I know I brought

[33:37] this up last time we did a

[33:39] survey and we asked people and

[33:40] we did a charrette. We went

[33:41] to a quesadilla making class.

[33:43] You know, I brought this up

[33:44] before, but I printed it

[33:45] out because I love it so much.

[33:47] And it's how to look at. We

[33:49] should do public investment.

[33:51] I'm going to bring this up.

[33:54] Okay. It's humbly observe where

[33:56] people

[33:57] in the community struggle. Ask

[33:59] the question, what is the next

[34:01] smallest thing we can do

[34:02] to address that struggle? The

[34:04] next smallest thing,

[34:06] do that thing right now. Do it

[34:08] right. Don't do a report,

[34:09] don't do a PDF,

[34:11] don't hire contractors. Do it

[34:12] right and then repeat. And I

[34:14] love this because

[34:16] in the instance

[34:17] of the bike rack, it's a $200

[34:19] bike rack on my street,

[34:20] there's no bus bench,

[34:23] so I put one in my front yard

[34:24] across the street. Right. It's

[34:26] just really small stuff that I

[34:27] really want us to do and

[34:28] to think about it,

[34:29] because it makes the talent

[34:31] look like we're doing stuff,

[34:32] because we are. And it gets us

[34:34] in that mentality of

[34:35] incremental small improvement.

[34:36] When we do this communication

[34:38] strategy, this outreach,

[34:40] you got a bunch

[34:41] of comments that are mine

[34:43] on that thing. And I can

[34:44] guarantee you there are so many

[34:45] of my comments on there,

[34:47] you don't want to hear

[34:49] from me anymore. You guys are

[34:50] already bored. We need to be

[34:52] out there at those sidewalks

[34:53] where people are scared

[34:56] to cross the street. We need

[34:57] to be out there where there's

[34:59] old people who might not speak

[35:00] English and ask them,

[35:01] what's it like waiting

[35:02] for a bus

[35:04] without a bus stop bench? And

[35:05] that's what we should also be

[35:07] out there getting stuff because

[35:08] it's very easy to be here doing

[35:10] this. I'm sure whoever's

[35:11] watching on Zoom is already

[35:12] logged off by now,

[35:13] but I'm almost done here. And

[35:14] thank you, chair,

[35:15] for this. I would like to. You

[35:17] mentioned it a few times.

[35:18] Level of traffic stress, which

[35:20] I know you know about. I know

[35:21] you know about. Bring that to

[35:23] the front so people can

[35:24] understand that that's how

[35:25] people feel

[35:27] on bicycle and walking. They

[35:28] feel freaked out. Los is what

[35:29] you guys use for roads. How

[35:30] quickly can a car move

[35:31] through town? But we've changed

[35:32] that one because now we need

[35:33] levels of stress for the walker

[35:34] and the bicyclist and the

[35:35] grandma getting

[35:36] down the street.

[35:37] >> Right.

[35:38] >> How does she feel? So we

[35:39] should, I think,

[35:40] call that out.

[35:42] >> So were you just suggesting

[35:43] to highlight that,

[35:44] like more put it

[35:45] in the front.

[35:46] >> It's actually hiding

[35:47] in the back as a footnote.

[35:48] >> Okay.

[35:50] >> As a mention put

[35:51] in the front. This is how a

[35:52] walker relates. This is how a

[35:53] kid on their way to sixth grade

[35:55] rides their bike. And this is

[35:57] what they feel. Final couple

[35:59] things and we're almost there.

[36:01] Let me go here.

[36:03] This is just

[36:05] on page. Page numbers are kind

[36:10] of hard here. So that would be

[36:12] 38 is where this graph is.

[36:13] Break that

[36:15] into two different pages. Why

[36:17] don't you do existing bike

[36:19] lanes and then two proposed

[36:20] bike lanes? Because to Cherry

[36:22] Kibota's point is kind of hard

[36:24] to read. This whole thing right

[36:25] there. So just have two

[36:26] different pages and we can

[36:28] overlay it.

[36:29] >> I thought we did have one

[36:30] of just existing, and I don't

[36:32] think we did propose

[36:33] separately.

[36:34] >> I think they're

[36:35] all together in one page.

[36:37] They're kind of hard

[36:38] to read.

[36:39] >> Okay. I thought

[36:40] we included both,

[36:41] but I'll make sure we.

[36:42] >> This one right here and the

[36:44] same thing on page 39, it says

[36:45] Crosswalk improvements and

[36:47] sidewalk gaps. I'm unclear if

[36:49] the sidewalk gaps are where

[36:50] we're going to fix it or where

[36:51] we see problems. So it's not

[36:52] quite clear on that.

[36:53] >> Okay, there.

[36:55] >> Just kind of clarify that.

[36:56] Almost done, guys. Thank you.

[36:58] PLIS. Pedestrian leading

[37:02] interval. Pedestrian lpi. LPI

[37:04] leading interval.

[37:05] >> Pedestrian interval.

[37:06] >> So I went and crossed all

[37:07] the crosswalks from here

[37:09] over towards Raley's and back.

[37:11] We've gotten public comment

[37:12] in the past about that at

[37:14] certain places. I think it's

[37:15] Glenn Miller Way and

[37:17] right across from Safeway.

[37:19] >> Okay.

[37:20] >> We've gotten it from all

[37:21] these intersections right here.

[37:22] I watched a middle schooler

[37:25] almost get clobbered

[37:26] on the way back. We need to

[37:27] stop all the traffic and give

[37:29] the small people and the slow

[37:30] people a chance to get

[37:32] out so they don't get hit

[37:33] by a ram. 2500 turning right.

[37:36] Because that's going

[37:39] to happen. And I know we've

[37:40] asked

[37:42] for this before. I know some of

[37:43] this might be a caltrans issue,

[37:44] and in some of those.

[37:46] But if we can push for that, we

[37:47] do have a county supervisor

[37:48] running for state office. That

[37:50] guy loves to show up. So we can

[37:51] ask him to show up and help us

[37:52] increase the interval

[37:53] for walkers to walk across,

[37:55] because that really is a big

[37:57] problem and that freaks

[37:59] out a lot of people. So it's

[38:00] Brook Road south at Glen Noah

[38:01] Drive, Lakewood at Brooks

[38:03] Road, South Windsor Road at

[38:04] Windsor River Road, and then

[38:05] that one, Conde Windsor. Weird

[38:07] intersection with that,

[38:08] I turn it back over

[38:09] to the chair for a breath

[38:10] of fresh air. Thank you.

[38:14] >> Yes.

[38:19] >> So I'm curious as to what we

[38:22] define per se as a bicycle,

[38:23] because I nearly got run over

[38:25] by a motorized bike on the

[38:27] smart trail this morning. So

[38:29] trying to figure

[38:31] out what's allowed

[38:33] in all these areas. Is that

[38:35] defined when you select a

[38:37] Class 1 or Class 2 or Class 3?

[38:39] Are they recommended users?

[38:41] Because I feel

[38:43] like there's a lot

[38:45] of misunderstanding on where

[38:46] certain things are allowed

[38:47] to go, including myself. I do

[38:49] have an E scooter. I haven't

[38:51] tried it on the trail yet, but

[38:52] I don't know if it's permitted.

[38:53] But the motorized bike was

[38:56] flying and I'm not sure if that

[38:59] made sense. So I'm hoping we

[39:01] consider the different modes of

[39:02] transportation that we're

[39:04] starting to see in our

[39:06] community as we're building

[39:08] out some of these connected

[39:09] pathways.

[39:12] >> That's a really good point.

[39:14] I mean, I know I've certainly

[39:15] heard that a lot in other

[39:17] communities as well. E bikes.

[39:18] And I believe that there's the

[39:20] fastest E bikes I believe are

[39:22] prohibited from trails. And

[39:25] it's the. But even the slower

[39:27] ones are not that slow.

[39:29] >> So. But that's probably.

[39:31] That probably is something we

[39:34] should elaborate on a bit more.

[39:42] I think that's an important

[39:45] point.

[39:48] >> Commissioner Richards.

[39:50] Nothing. All right.

[39:52] >> See?

[39:54] >> No additional questions and

[39:56] we'll thank you for your. It's

[40:00] a presentation. So we do not

[40:03] generally.

[40:04] >> I think the way we typically

[40:05] do it is we have both

[40:06] presentations and then comments

[40:08] on those presentations would be

[40:09] during the public comment

[40:10] period that follows.

[40:12] >> Okay.

[40:13] >> Just here's my question. Do

[40:14] if, if people don't want to see

[40:16] if the second presentation.

[40:17] Can we do public comment and

[40:19] then presentation.

[40:21] Or does that ruin the town of

[40:24] Windsor?

[40:25] >> The chair has that power.

[40:26] >> I. I will wield it and I

[40:28] think we'll open public comment

[40:29] for any comments specific

[40:30] to the Windsor Active

[40:32] transportation plan

[40:33] at this time. Members

[40:35] of public wishing

[40:36] to address us

[40:37] on this public comment,

[40:38] please limit your comments to

[40:39] 3 minutes. Speaking

[40:40] to the microphone

[40:42] from the podium.

[40:54] >> Great.

[40:56] >> Thank you. I appreciate

[40:58] that. I'm Emily Chartin. I'm

[41:00] with the Sonoma County

[41:01] Bicycle Coalition. So we're

[41:02] really happy to see this draft.

[41:03] I know it's been W

[41:04] Trans has been working on it

[41:06] for a long time and especially

[41:08] happy to see the emphasis on

[41:10] creating a low stress connected

[41:12] network. You know, quite

[41:14] simply, people on bikes need

[41:16] to be able

[41:17] to get where they need to go,

[41:18] whether it's school, downtown,

[41:20] work, shopping. And that's both

[41:21] for the health of the climate

[41:24] and the community. Community

[41:25] really happy to see the number

[41:28] of Class 1 trails on the

[41:30] proposed facilities list.

[41:31] Those are the dotted green

[41:34] lines. And also the number of

[41:36] Class 4 projects

[41:38] on the priority list. The bike

[41:39] coalition believes the Class 4

[41:41] protected facilities really

[41:42] should be the default, you

[41:43] know, as opposed to Class 2,

[41:45] which are the unprotected

[41:46] facilities that you tend

[41:48] to see in cities and towns. I

[41:49] will say that the Class 3

[41:51] facilities are generally not

[41:52] something we support because

[41:54] you're asking bikes and cars

[41:55] to share a travel lane. And for

[41:56] many riders that's just not a

[41:57] low stress situation. So we

[41:59] would ask the town

[42:00] to consider the possibility

[42:02] of upgrading these facilities

[42:04] to Class 2.

[42:06] But if that's not possible,

[42:07] you know,

[42:09] traffic calming measures need

[42:11] to be considered

[42:12] to bring vehicle speeds down,

[42:14] which is something that Barry

[42:16] alluded to. So that traffic is

[42:17] as slow as possible if they're

[42:19] going to be sharing the road

[42:20] with bikes. We're pleased that

[42:21] the board is recognizing.

[42:22] We're pleased that the plan is

[42:24] recognizing the importance

[42:25] of the Safe Routes to School

[42:27] plan. Schools and access to

[42:29] schools really should just

[42:32] always be a priority

[42:35] in building

[42:38] out the bike and PED network.

[42:40] As Tim mentioned, this is

[42:42] really who we're building the

[42:44] network for ultimately. And

[42:45] lastly, I just want

[42:47] to also make a pitch

[42:49] for the return

[42:51] of the bicycle and Pedestrian

[42:52] Advisory committee, which I

[42:54] know has undergone a little bit

[42:55] of reorganization

[42:57] in the past few months. But

[42:59] having a robust advisory

[43:01] committee I think is especially

[43:02] important now that the town has

[43:04] a draft and, you know,

[43:05] you're going

[43:07] to be shepherding it

[43:08] through this process

[43:10] of public review. So that's it.

[43:12] Thanks.

[43:15] >> Anyone else wish to make a

[43:16] public comment at this time?

[43:17] We will close public comment.

[43:19] >> If I could ask if you have

[43:20] any written comments you could

[43:22] provide to us because we would

[43:23] like to move forward, forward

[43:24] with this. One commissioner in

[43:25] particular had a long list. I

[43:27] don't know if it was a printed

[43:28] list or just a marked up copy

[43:30] B. But if you could provide us

[43:31] with COP as soon as possible,

[43:33] we would like to move forward

[43:34] with it.

[43:36] >> Fantastic.

[43:37] >> Thank you.

[43:38] >> Thank you both.

[43:39] At this time, we will move on

[43:41] to item 6.2, crime prevention

[43:42] through environmental design.

[43:44] Director Streeter.

[43:46] >> Thank you, Chair.

[43:47] At this time, I'd like to

[43:50] introduce former commissioner

[43:53] Lois Fisher, who will be giving

[43:55] us a presentation on,

[43:56] as you just mentioned,

[43:58] the concept

[44:00] of crime prevention

[44:01] through environmental design,

[44:03] also known as cpted.

[44:05] >> Thank you, Patrick. I could

[44:08] do it. Start slideshow. There

[44:11] it goes. Okay, good. All right.

[44:16] Well, it's very good

[44:18] to be back. I was here for 13

[44:20] years and so I definitely can

[44:23] relate to all your activities

[44:24] and concerns about our

[44:27] community. I appreciate it. So

[44:28] anyway, thank you. So Windsor

[44:30] has been made safer each year

[44:32] through zoning

[44:35] since its incorporation. And

[44:37] tonight's presentation is just

[44:39] about how we've been doing it

[44:43] and how it'll continue

[44:45] in the future. So I'm an urban

[44:47] designer and I create walkable

[44:49] towns as an alternative

[44:51] to suburban sprawl. So if you

[44:57] don't like suburban sprawl,

[45:00] I can help you. And so my work,

[45:02] you can see it

[45:04] on the bottom is the Petaluma

[45:06] theater district. The

[45:07] before pictures

[45:09] on the left and then the

[45:11] after pictures on the right.

[45:12] You can see that the trees are

[45:14] on both of them. So it's

[45:15] completely different. Right.

[45:16] You can actually there are

[45:17] rules you can put in as

[45:19] planners that create walkable

[45:20] environments. So the topics to

[45:22] be covered are crime prevention

[45:23] through environmental design

[45:25] and are these policies making

[45:26] Windsor safer or not? And then

[45:27] new policies

[45:28] for crime prevention in

[45:30] Windsor's new code. And then

[45:31] two weeks from tonight,

[45:32] I'll be back to talk

[45:34] about the history of planning

[45:35] for walkability in Windsor. So

[45:36] crime prevention through

[45:38] environmental design. CPTED is

[45:39] also pronounced septed. Eyes

[45:40] on, front on,

[45:42] defensible space. Those are all

[45:43] the same things. So it's

[45:45] confusing. I will use all those

[45:46] words interchangeably. One

[45:48] that's different is back on.

[45:49] Back on is the opposite

[45:51] of it. So in this case,

[45:53] on the left hand side, you can

[45:54] see that this is the back

[45:56] of the apartments, right?

[45:57] These are the bedrooms. And

[45:59] then this is supposed to be the

[46:00] patio where they barbecue.

[46:02] Right. And it's two feet

[46:04] from the sidewalk. This is in

[46:05] Wilson street in Santa Rosa.

[46:08] And so that's the back of the

[46:09] unit facing the public realm.

[46:11] And on the right you've got the

[46:13] front of the unit facing the

[46:14] public realm. So this person is

[46:16] acting as a police. He would

[46:17] never say he's A police

[46:19] officer.

[46:21] But if he saw a problem, he

[46:22] would call somebody and it

[46:24] would be taken care of. Here I

[46:25] talk with a lady who lived

[46:27] there and her daughter had one

[46:28] bedroom and she had the other

[46:29] bedroom. And at 3:30

[46:31] at night, there was someone

[46:32] throwing up outside

[46:35] of their bedrooms. So this is

[46:37] what happens when you have the

[46:39] most private part

[46:41] of the building right next

[46:42] to the most public part

[46:43] of the street. So in Windsor,

[46:45] we have made a concerted effort

[46:46] since incorporation

[46:47] to actually front on. And I

[46:49] know you guys have seen those,

[46:50] all those code messages. And

[46:52] just because I'm a planner,

[46:53] I'm going

[46:54] to give you the background.

[46:55] The constitution of Windsor is

[46:57] the general plan. So this is

[46:59] all in the general plan. It

[47:01] says active uses built up

[47:02] to the sidewalks. Public realm

[47:04] encouraging socializing,

[47:06] building facades

[47:08] behind sidewalks,

[47:10] providing eyes on. This is all

[47:11] taken care of

[47:13] in the general plan. And now

[47:14] thanks to Patrick Streeter and

[47:16] Kim Jordan, I'm not sure if

[47:17] she's here. We have it

[47:18] in our code.

[47:19] For the first time in like

[47:20] 25, 30 years,

[47:22] we actually have it

[47:23] in the code. So thank you,

[47:25] Patrick. So this is what we

[47:26] have right now. And I'm going

[47:27] to be making some suggestions

[47:29] for additional things.

[47:30] But crime prevention is

[47:32] to improve safety by designing

[47:33] the physical environment

[47:35] to influence human behavior.

[47:36] So it's natural surveillance,

[47:38] looking out, eyes on natural

[47:40] access control gates,

[47:42] and territorial reinforcement,

[47:44] which means this is public,

[47:46] this is private,

[47:48] and you have stages between

[47:49] that poor person whose bedroom

[47:51] is right next

[47:52] to the sidewalk. You actually

[47:54] don't do that. So it's not

[47:56] comfortable, but it's actually

[47:58] not safe either. So I have a

[47:59] poll for you guys. Say you have

[48:01] a child that you want

[48:02] to be safe walking to school.

[48:04] You have one option. They could

[48:06] walk along this street. This is

[48:07] the sidewalk right here. Or

[48:09] they could walk

[48:10] along this street

[48:12] on the right. So how many would

[48:14] prefer the one on the left?

[48:16] Raise your hand. Okay. How many

[48:17] prefer their child walking?

[48:20] The one on the right,

[48:24] you would. Okay. All right. So

[48:26] this is a different question.

[48:28] This is a creek. And so

[48:29] on both sides, the creek is

[48:32] on the right hand side. And

[48:35] then we've got a pathway and

[48:37] then we've got public areas.

[48:39] In this case it's a street with

[48:40] residential buildings facing

[48:42] onto the street and

[48:44] to the creek.

[48:47] In this case it's a fence

[48:50] with the houses behind it. So

[48:52] raise your hand if you want

[48:54] your child walking

[48:56] on the top one. And raise your

[48:58] hand if you want your child

[48:59] working on the bottom one.

[49:01] Okay, so you guys actually

[49:02] already know your body knows

[49:03] how to create or what is a safe

[49:05] environment? So the question I

[49:06] have is, if we all know this,

[49:09] why have we been creating this

[49:11] stuff for absolute years?

[49:12] Right? And you go up

[49:14] to this one,

[49:16] why has this been happening?

[49:17] Why have this? Why does this

[49:19] continue? So anyway,

[49:21] I'm just going

[49:23] to give you a little bit

[49:25] of information

[49:27] on this pressing question. So

[49:30] why defensible space? So this

[49:31] is a pretty rough place. It's

[49:33] called Pruitt Igoe Towers. And

[49:35] you may not have heard it,

[49:37] but it's

[49:38] in the planning profession.

[49:40] It's kind

[49:43] of well known and what they did

[49:45] with it. Let's experiment. Why

[49:47] do towns

[49:49] like we've always done towns,

[49:51] we have car now,

[49:53] let's change everything. And so

[49:55] they made it so the bottom of

[49:57] these towers were open and

[49:58] there was no stoops, no fence

[50:00] jars, nothing, just nothing.

[50:02] So this entire area was nobody

[50:04] looking out for it. Right? No

[50:06] ownership, no fenced yards,

[50:08] no eyes on the ground floor,

[50:10] exterior areas. So all this

[50:12] which had been traditionally

[50:14] done, right, you have the

[50:16] public, you have the semi

[50:18] public, semi private at the

[50:20] porch and then the private,

[50:24] that's all a procession as you

[50:27] go in. None of that was done.

[50:28] So what do you think happened?

[50:30] They blew it up. They blew it

[50:31] up. This is how bad it was.

[50:33] People would not live there,

[50:34] they were dying there. So what

[50:35] happened,

[50:37] that was actually the birth of

[50:38] crime prevention was that

[50:40] destruction of that building.

[50:41] And so, so the defensible

[50:42] space, I said it before,

[50:44] I'm going to repeat it again.

[50:45] The physical expression of a

[50:47] social fabric that defends

[50:48] itself. So this is an example

[50:50] from Hercules. They also do the

[50:52] same thing we do here. And this

[50:53] is porches and this is

[50:54] on street parking. This is

[50:56] absolutely critical.

[50:57] To get these porches used,

[50:58] you have to have a car and then

[51:00] people coming up into these.

[51:01] So natural surveillance. And

[51:03] then these are the options for

[51:04] building design regarding the

[51:06] street. And this was the most

[51:07] popular for the child walking

[51:09] on the street. So

[51:11] in this case, the front of the

[51:13] building faces the street.

[51:15] In this case, the side of the

[51:18] building faces the street. You

[51:19] can see maybe there could be

[51:21] some eyes on as people walk

[51:23] to the side. But for the most

[51:25] part the street doesn't have

[51:27] any eyes on it. And then this

[51:29] is the red means it's not

[51:32] good. Just in case need

[51:33] to get that. But this is where

[51:35] it's the back,

[51:37] the absolute back

[51:38] of the building. It faces the

[51:40] most public area. That's the

[51:41] least safe. Crime prevention

[51:43] through environmental design.

[51:44] This is a great little diagram

[51:45] and it shows how

[51:46] to make it safe. You put

[51:47] Windows, you put porches and

[51:48] sidewalks where people can talk

[51:49] to each other and gain

[51:50] community. Then you define the

[51:51] public and the private areas

[51:52] by hedges or fences. But you

[51:54] don't let this all be a free

[51:55] for all like it is on Wilson

[51:57] Street. And then good

[51:59] pedestrian lighting. So the

[52:00] procession, I'm going

[52:03] to repeat again, it's public,

[52:05] the semi public, semi private,

[52:06] private. So this is that, that

[52:08] procession which is missing.

[52:10] And right now our current code

[52:12] is missing this defining the

[52:13] front yard. So that's going

[52:14] to be my suggestion

[52:16] to add that

[52:17] in the next code update. So

[52:19] these images are now

[52:21] in your zoning code. So there's

[52:22] one for the,

[52:23] for commercial as well. And so

[52:25] single family, eyes

[52:28] on solution. When Windsor

[52:29] started, it basically had three

[52:31] car garages and then you had

[52:33] to go around to the side

[52:35] to get to the front door. And

[52:37] so that is very bad for Izon

[52:38] because the cars in the car

[52:40] garage don't perform that

[52:41] function. So Windsor, we

[52:43] changed our code and made it so

[52:45] that you actually have

[52:46] to have the porch in the front

[52:48] and the garage and back. And

[52:50] in the latest update, that

[52:51] garage setback was reduced. So

[52:52] anyway,

[52:54] I just letting you guys know

[52:55] to watch out for that, just

[52:57] to see how it comes out. And if

[52:58] you want to go back, this big

[53:00] wear has been reduced and the

[53:01] defined front yards, we did it

[53:03] for years in Windsor and all

[53:04] the affordable housing. And it

[53:05] just needs to be put

[53:06] into the code. And if it's set

[53:08] back 10ft or more

[53:10] from the sidewalk,

[53:11] it should work. So this is that

[53:13] picture that. No, I think one

[53:15] person thought it was a good

[53:16] idea. But this is Apple

[53:18] Valley Lane. And has anybody

[53:20] heard of Apple Valley Lane?

[53:21] About 20 years ago,

[53:23] people were getting killed

[53:25] like once a month or

[53:27] down there. And so this is

[53:28] before picture. And then so our

[53:30] firm was called in

[53:31] to try and figure out how

[53:32] to fix this. And so we just did

[53:33] these things we're talking

[53:35] about here. We put

[53:36] in windows,

[53:40] we defined the edge of the

[53:43] street and the yard and we put

[53:46] in porches. Has anybody heard

[53:49] of a crime killing in Apple

[53:53] Valley Lane in the last 15

[53:55] years? It hasn't been

[53:58] happening. So all these things

[54:00] have been brought into

[54:03] Windsor's code and Santa Rosa

[54:05] has not. Just letting you know,

[54:07] Santa Rosa has not incorporated

[54:09] these things into their code.

[54:10] They just got rid of. They got

[54:12] rid of that problem. They just

[54:14] stopped. So anyway,

[54:17] this is a kind

[54:19] of an ironic question. This is

[54:20] our first new stoop in windsor

[54:22] in like 20 years. What do you

[54:24] think about the one

[54:26] on the left? Is it providing

[54:29] eyes on so.

[54:31] >> Let me ask you a question

[54:33] about that because I know where

[54:34] this,

[54:36] I think I know where this is.

[54:38] But we also had another project

[54:40] come to our commission recently

[54:42] and the first thing that came

[54:43] to mind is why would anybody

[54:45] want their front door

[54:47] on such a busy road? So this

[54:49] idea of having this duper eyes

[54:51] on these extremely busy roads,

[54:53] I am trying to understand how

[54:55] that's more safe.

[54:57] >> Okay.

[54:59] >> Because I feel concerned

[55:00] about having a front door and

[55:02] then people driving 40, 50

[55:04] miles an hour.

[55:06] >> That's a very good point.

[55:08] And so what you need to do is

[55:09] do traffic calming and that's

[55:11] park cars. And then when we did

[55:12] the Esposti park apartments

[55:14] right across from Esposti park,

[55:15] we actually put in one

[55:17] of those things that WW Trans

[55:18] was talking about. A traffic

[55:20] calming thing was like a hump

[55:22] and it really narrowed it down

[55:24] the streets. I'm not sure if

[55:26] you know what I'm talking

[55:28] about by a spy park.

[55:30] >> Anyway, by there I haven't

[55:32] noticed a speed hump. Well,

[55:33] it's

[55:35] like a calming hump in.

[55:38] >> The middle anyway, so I

[55:40] don't think it slows anybody

[55:44] down.

[55:46] >> It does. It actually really

[55:48] does, honestly. Anyway, I'm

[55:50] offering tours and I just want

[55:52] to say these are two

[55:53] dimensional pictures of three

[55:54] dimensional places and that's

[55:56] why I'm offering the tours

[55:57] because I would love

[55:59] to really get into detail with

[56:01] you and I could do that if we

[56:02] were standing in front of a

[56:04] Swastik park apartments. And

[56:05] it's very difficult for me

[56:08] to do it from here. So I would

[56:09] really love it if you guys,

[56:11] I know it's asking a lot,

[56:13] you'll have businesses and all

[56:16] that stuff,

[56:18] but that would be just great.

[56:21] And I could really talk about

[56:26] it and you can actually feel

[56:28] what it's like. So anyway,

[56:30] my suggestion here is that

[56:31] Windsor adds, we're treating

[56:33] stoops, our brand new stoops,

[56:35] as if they're balconies. And so

[56:37] we actually allow storage and

[56:38] stuff on the stoop. And so I'm

[56:40] just saying maybe we should

[56:42] clarify that in our revision

[56:45] to the code

[56:46] to make it very clear

[56:48] about conditions of approval,

[56:49] wherever it is,

[56:51] that you can't put storage on

[56:53] the ground floor stoop because

[56:55] that's eyes on. And

[56:56] unfortunately this is not going

[56:58] to get better because there's

[57:00] no parking required. So there's

[57:01] no reason for people to park

[57:02] their car and then go up the

[57:03] steps. It's kind of

[57:04] like this. Oh man, we got this

[57:06] close and then just a couple

[57:07] things didn't work out. So eyes

[57:08] on. Problem. The designer did

[57:09] not put a street next

[57:10] to the park. And so the back

[57:12] of the buildings face the park.

[57:13] Windsor did a good job here

[57:15] at Oakfield subdivision. I'm

[57:17] not sure if anybody's been

[57:18] there, but road

[57:19] along the park and then eyes

[57:21] on the park. This is a very

[57:22] interesting problem. This is

[57:23] the dead space

[57:25] behind the pool porch. There

[57:26] was a developer who asked me

[57:27] to come

[57:29] down and see his project. He

[57:30] was proposing projects here

[57:32] in Windsor. And so I looked

[57:34] at this and I'm like, oh my

[57:35] gosh, this is perfect, right?

[57:38] It's got all the procession,

[57:40] it's got all that.

[57:42] But there was nobody

[57:45] on the street. Absolutely

[57:48] nobody. It was no kids,

[57:50] nothing. And I'm like, it's

[57:52] like a neutron bomb had gone

[57:54] off. What the heck is going

[57:55] on here? And I found

[57:57] out you go in the door,

[57:58] the garage is

[57:59] to the right here, right? This

[58:00] is a car. And then these are

[58:01] steps up. All the living is up

[58:02] there. So they didn't put the

[58:03] police officer in, they just

[58:04] put the police officers

[58:05] upstairs. So Windsor now has

[58:06] requirements for active uses.

[58:07] Behind the porch,

[58:08] you can't just put stairs,

[58:09] storage or bedroom. So that's

[58:10] just something that's

[58:11] protecting Windsor. Go ahead.

[58:12] >> If I can. So just

[58:13] to clarify,

[58:14] dead space means non used.

[58:15] Part of your house is

[58:16] behind the front of it, right?

[58:17] Like your living room's not

[58:18] there,

[58:19] your kitchen's not there. It's

[58:20] a junk room in the back.

[58:21] >> And some people say, well,

[58:22] bedrooms are fine,

[58:23] but you're only in the bedroom

[58:24] when it's dark.

[58:25] >> Right.

[58:26] >> So you can't really see it.

[58:27] So I don't think bedrooms are

[58:28] qualified as that.

[58:29] But so you guys know this one?

[58:30] This is Joe Wodota trail.

[58:31] Camping and garbage is an

[58:32] issue, of course. No eyes on.

[58:33] And then this is Vintage Oaks

[58:34] in Windsor. Just beautiful.

[58:35] And this is now considered a

[58:36] trail in the Windsor parks

[58:38] plan. So road next

[58:39] to the creek. And this is the

[58:40] trail that is the smart path.

[58:41] And when I took this picture,

[58:42] let me tell you, my heart was

[58:44] in my throat because I felt

[58:45] very vulnerable. And it was

[58:46] like there was no way out

[58:47] for me. Right? And I made a

[58:49] fine. But I'm just telling,

[58:50] even now I can reel it in me.

[58:52] So smart requires this six foot

[58:53] fence next to the rut tracks.

[58:55] If we do not put a road next

[58:56] to the tracks,

[58:58] this is what ends up. So it

[58:59] ends up being an entrapment

[59:01] situation, which is not good.

[59:04] And compare this to Windsor

[59:06] Oaks or Windsor park

[59:07] apartments. It's right next to

[59:09] the train station that the

[59:10] tracks are right over here.

[59:12] You can see we put the street

[59:13] in and then the smart train has

[59:14] been putting the six foot

[59:16] fence. They've been

[59:18] putting fencing if there's an

[59:19] embankment or something people

[59:21] could fall off of.

[59:22] But if it's a situation

[59:23] like this where it's all flat,

[59:24] they don't put a fence. So in

[59:25] Windsor we have a much better.

[59:27] If we put the roads next

[59:28] to the tracks,

[59:30] we have a nice situation.

[59:32] There's a

[59:33] project called the Windsor

[59:36] Mill project and I think it's

[59:37] gone

[59:39] through two iterations so far.

[59:41] And I heard it's coming back.

[59:42] And so I just wanted to remind

[59:43] you guys that there is a creek

[59:44] on that. That is Windsor Creek

[59:46] needs to have eyes on. And then

[59:48] the railroad tracks also need

[59:49] to have eyes on. So just a

[59:51] place to be thinking about.

[59:54] And so this is that picture,

[59:57] one of the pictures

[59:58] of the question,

[59:59] the poll question. So this is

[1:00:01] one of the places we're going

[1:00:02] to be looking at

[1:00:04] on the creek tour. And so this

[1:00:05] is where you have the front of

[1:00:07] the building's eyes onto the

[1:00:08] creek. And this is what is much

[1:00:11] more typical,

[1:00:12] which is the back next

[1:00:14] to the creek. And you see how

[1:00:16] different it looks and more

[1:00:17] crime, garbage,

[1:00:18] fires and encampments. And this

[1:00:20] is a right across

[1:00:22] from that picture you saw

[1:00:23] of the good Portola. This is

[1:00:25] right across the street. So

[1:00:26] it's a two different. It's

[1:00:28] actually three different

[1:00:29] treatments right there. So

[1:00:30] we're going

[1:00:31] to go there as well.

[1:00:33] But this is a tagged area.

[1:00:35] There's only one back

[1:00:36] on and that's where it is. And

[1:00:39] it got tagged within

[1:00:40] like a week of construction.

[1:00:42] So a lot of people say, well,

[1:00:43] we don't need to put the road

[1:00:44] against the creek. There's not

[1:00:46] much room. Let's just put open

[1:00:47] fencing. So this is a situation

[1:00:48] where the open fencing, it's

[1:00:50] like these are probably

[1:00:51] bedrooms, right? And maybe

[1:00:53] they'll have a barbecue once or

[1:00:54] twice in the summer. But this

[1:00:56] is not as good as the front

[1:00:57] of the house facing the creek

[1:00:59] in terms of safety. And

[1:01:01] Windsor faces a danger

[1:01:03] from fires coming

[1:01:04] down the hills

[1:01:06] along the trees and the creeks.

[1:01:07] We saw that in the Tubbs fire.

[1:01:09] So this is where that road

[1:01:10] along the creek at Portello

[1:01:11] stops. And do you think the

[1:01:13] firefighter is going to want

[1:01:14] to try and go

[1:01:16] in here and fight the fire?

[1:01:17] The trees are right next

[1:01:19] to the building. Right.

[1:01:20] Because the road is gone. So I

[1:01:22] just think where would they

[1:01:23] stage it anyway? This is just a

[1:01:25] cul de sac picture from the

[1:01:27] Internet, but you need hoses

[1:01:29] and places that puts up fire,

[1:01:30] fire trucks. And the street

[1:01:32] provides that. An ideal has

[1:01:33] anybody been to Thiessen

[1:01:35] Park? This little, the Garden

[1:01:38] Windsor Garden Club is here.

[1:01:41] And then there's a little

[1:01:44] bridge. It's right there.

[1:01:46] Yeah, it's just right

[1:01:47] over there.

[1:01:48] They took the

[1:01:49] existing creek and they

[1:01:50] actually fronted it

[1:01:51] on both sides. So

[1:01:53] on this side you have a street,

[1:01:54] it's actually little alley or

[1:01:56] little driveways.

[1:01:57] On this side you have it. So

[1:01:59] both sides you have eyes on.

[1:02:01] And this is where the smart

[1:02:02] station is going to be and this

[1:02:04] is where we're going to meet

[1:02:07] for the creek walks. So this is

[1:02:08] what it looks like

[1:02:11] on the ground. So you have a

[1:02:13] ready made park instead

[1:02:14] of having it be in the back

[1:02:16] of your house,

[1:02:17] which is a crime issue, it's

[1:02:18] in the front of your house. So

[1:02:20] it creates a much more valuable

[1:02:22] real estate. So summary, front

[1:02:24] of the buildings face the

[1:02:25] public realm. You got eyes on

[1:02:26] the street and ownership is

[1:02:28] defined all

[1:02:30] behind the sidewalk. So this is

[1:02:32] in the last update. This is my

[1:02:35] opinion,

[1:02:37] the wording got much weaker

[1:02:38] for public access

[1:02:40] along the creeks. We have one

[1:02:42] sentence that says to do it and

[1:02:43] then we've got a paragraph that

[1:02:46] says how to not do it. So

[1:02:47] anyway, just hoping,

[1:02:49] let's just watch

[1:02:50] to see how that works. And then

[1:02:52] so the cost of Windsor. So say

[1:02:53] a developer says it's too

[1:02:55] difficult, I can't face the

[1:02:57] creek, I have

[1:02:58] to back onto it. So these are

[1:03:00] the costs. Police expenses

[1:03:01] would go up, safety would go

[1:03:03] down and roads are permanently

[1:03:05] in place once it's approved.

[1:03:06] We tried that after the Tubbs

[1:03:08] fired redesign parts of

[1:03:10] Coffee Park. It was impossible.

[1:03:12] It's just not going

[1:03:14] to happen. So are these

[1:03:15] policies for eyes on making

[1:03:17] Windsor safer? And this is it

[1:03:18] from 2023 and Windsor is right

[1:03:20] here. You see that number 10.

[1:03:22] And we're in the company with

[1:03:24] Danville, Saratoga and

[1:03:26] Orinda. And I'm not sure if you

[1:03:28] guys know those places, but we

[1:03:30] are much more inclusive than

[1:03:32] they are,

[1:03:34] I'll put it that way. Okay, so

[1:03:37] it's widely recognized,

[1:03:39] I said as one

[1:03:41] of the safest places in

[1:03:42] California. I did not know it

[1:03:43] was widely recognized.

[1:03:45] But anyway, in this report they

[1:03:47] said it was due to local events

[1:03:48] and initiatives. And I just

[1:03:50] want to let everybody know that

[1:03:51] next time somebody asks you why

[1:03:53] are we so high on the list? If

[1:03:54] you could say something

[1:03:56] about crime prevention through

[1:03:57] environmental design it would

[1:03:58] be just great because I don't

[1:04:00] think it's parades and safety

[1:04:02] impacts. So if you do all these

[1:04:04] things what happens? Well, they

[1:04:05] study them and if you just do a

[1:04:07] few, you get 17%. If you do a

[1:04:08] lot, you get 76% reduction

[1:04:10] in crime. That just explains

[1:04:12] Apple Valley Lane and the cost

[1:04:14] savings for Windsor. Windsor

[1:04:17] pays the lowest amount per

[1:04:18] capita for police services,

[1:04:20] yet crime rates are 39%

[1:04:23] below average. So the average

[1:04:25] county,

[1:04:27] the county resident pays 346

[1:04:28] and we pay 227. We save $3

[1:04:30] million a year

[1:04:32] in police costs alone. And this

[1:04:34] was interesting. I'm not sure

[1:04:37] you guys saw this. This was

[1:04:39] in the paper in October

[1:04:41] of this year and it says

[1:04:42] WalletHub ranks four North Bay

[1:04:44] cities among the best in the

[1:04:45] U.S. well, Windsor was

[1:04:47] on there. And guess why

[1:04:48] Windsor was on there. Spurred

[1:04:51] by its favorable safety rating.

[1:04:52] This is economic development,

[1:04:54] guys, right? And then the

[1:04:56] letter from Police Chief

[1:04:59] Pacini last October to the

[1:05:02] planning commission. I have

[1:05:07] noticed on creeks

[1:05:10] with a road allowing visibility

[1:05:13] for part of it, the place where

[1:05:16] the road ends is where we

[1:05:18] experience policing problems.

[1:05:19] He's all. And Tanya Potter and

[1:05:21] him are both lockstep. This is,

[1:05:22] this is the way to go. So

[1:05:24] anyway, all these things, I've

[1:05:26] gotten a little handout which

[1:05:27] we're going to give

[1:05:29] to you and then also

[1:05:31] on the handout if you want

[1:05:32] to enter term as commissioner

[1:05:34] to increase Windsor safety

[1:05:35] to continue this road that

[1:05:36] we're

[1:05:37] on single loaded streets front

[1:05:39] on walkable fringes and

[1:05:40] on street parking, don't forget

[1:05:41] that piece because they won't

[1:05:43] use the front of the house if

[1:05:44] they don't have that. So I just

[1:05:45] want to let you know there are

[1:05:46] creek tour signups and if you

[1:05:48] could have. I'm not sure if you

[1:05:49] guys are interested or too

[1:05:50] busy, whatever, but I gave you

[1:05:52] quite a large selection.

[1:05:53] Patrick sent out an email and

[1:05:54] see if you just sign up

[1:05:56] for a time that works

[1:05:57] for you and then there's going

[1:05:58] to be another walk

[1:05:59] after the walking tour,

[1:06:00] which is. That's the one where

[1:06:01] we'll do the actual more

[1:06:03] of the frontages. So I think

[1:06:04] that's the last slide. Yeah,

[1:06:06] that's the last slide. So

[1:06:07] that's it.

[1:06:09] >> Great.

[1:06:10] >> Thank you very much at this

[1:06:11] time we will bring it back

[1:06:13] to the commission for questions

[1:06:14] or comments.

[1:06:16] >> I think the only comment

[1:06:18] I'll make is

[1:06:19] about the creeks because a few

[1:06:20] of us went on a creek tour tour

[1:06:22] a couple weeks ago and we

[1:06:23] looked at some maps and I think

[1:06:25] the one thing that surprised me

[1:06:26] the most was it was very

[1:06:27] sporadic in

[1:06:31] between which was town owned,

[1:06:34] privately owned, water agency,

[1:06:35] county parks and how some

[1:06:37] of these developments manage.

[1:06:40] Working around some

[1:06:43] of that kind of stuff. So I

[1:06:45] think that was the most

[1:06:47] intriguing part or

[1:06:49] under knowledge that I gathered

[1:06:50] from the creek tour that we did

[1:06:52] just recently was just how much

[1:06:53] of it is actually privately

[1:06:55] owned.

[1:06:57] >> Thank you, sir. I invited

[1:06:58] Shannon from the public works

[1:07:00] department because I thought

[1:07:02] he'd be interested in this.

[1:07:05] When I saw his report, I

[1:07:07] thought, boy, if we had roads

[1:07:09] along the creeks,

[1:07:11] it'd be very clear who owns

[1:07:13] what, right? I mean,

[1:07:14] this is a picture

[1:07:16] of it. I mean, it wouldn't be

[1:07:17] confusing anymore if you had it

[1:07:19] on both sides. So anyway, I

[1:07:20] think that would solve that

[1:07:22] problem. I don't know if it

[1:07:23] would, but I think it might

[1:07:25] help.

[1:07:27] >> I have a quick question.

[1:07:28] Thank you for this. Very

[1:07:29] informative. Thank you. And I

[1:07:31] know in the past when I've

[1:07:32] heard things like front on,

[1:07:34] back on, it was kind

[1:07:35] of confusing. So I'm glad that

[1:07:37] we laid this out. And I'd

[1:07:38] encourage town staff to make

[1:07:39] sure we have examples when we

[1:07:41] talk about it for newer

[1:07:42] commissioners who aren't as

[1:07:43] smart as me, which will be

[1:07:44] actually smarter than me. You

[1:07:46] mentioned the garage setbacks

[1:07:48] were reduced in the zoning. Do

[1:07:49] you remember what they were

[1:07:51] reduced from?

[1:07:52] >> And, well, it's like they

[1:07:54] were measuring originally

[1:07:55] from the building, like a 10

[1:07:57] foot setback. Correct me if I'm

[1:07:59] wrong, Patrick, but 10ft from

[1:08:01] the building and then moved it

[1:08:04] to 10ft from the front

[1:08:06] of the porch.

[1:08:07] >> Okay, so there might be a

[1:08:09] difference.

[1:08:10] >> In where we're five feet.

[1:08:11] Drawing the chart five feet

[1:08:13] closer to the. So there's used

[1:08:14] to be five feet between the

[1:08:15] house and the garage,

[1:08:17] and now it's more like 5, 10ft

[1:08:18] to 5ft. So I'm just saying,

[1:08:19] just make a note to. That we

[1:08:20] know not to put it in front

[1:08:21] of the house, but, you know,

[1:08:23] where is that actual. You've

[1:08:24] reduced it. Just letting you

[1:08:25] know you've made. You've made a

[1:08:27] concession.

[1:08:28] >> Okay, thank you. I

[1:08:29] just want to know. Thank you.

[1:08:31] >> I can send

[1:08:32] around an email with specifics

[1:08:33] on what change in the zoning

[1:08:34] order. I don't think we

[1:08:35] actually reduced the standard

[1:08:36] by. But I think we changed what

[1:08:37] the options are.

[1:08:38] >> Okay, my stand corrected

[1:08:39] there. And I just want

[1:08:40] to make a note that Tim sat

[1:08:41] down with me for two hours and

[1:08:42] helped me get rid of all

[1:08:43] of the jargon

[1:08:44] in this lecture. So I hope it

[1:08:46] was gone anyway, so please sign

[1:08:48] up for the tours. I'll try

[1:08:51] and make it as fun as possible.

[1:08:53] Just three stops for both

[1:08:54] of them. And then you just look

[1:08:55] around, ask all the questions.

[1:08:57] Okay, thank you.

[1:08:59] >> Well, thank you very much.

[1:09:02] At this time we'll move

[1:09:03] into the public comment item.

[1:09:07] Members of the public wishing

[1:09:09] to address the commission on

[1:09:11] any consent calendar item or

[1:09:12] any item not listed

[1:09:13] on the agenda may do so

[1:09:14] at this time. Pursuant to the

[1:09:16] Brown act, the Commission is

[1:09:17] not allowed to consider issues

[1:09:18] or take action

[1:09:19] on any item not listed

[1:09:21] on the agenda

[1:09:22] during this period. Each public

[1:09:23] comment is normally restricted,

[1:09:25] restricted to three minutes

[1:09:26] in length and must be spoken

[1:09:27] into the microphone

[1:09:31] from the podium. If you wish

[1:09:32] to speak

[1:09:33] on a consent calendar item,

[1:09:34] please notify the chair

[1:09:36] during the public comment.

[1:09:37] Looks like we have one.

[1:09:39] >> Thank you.

[1:09:40] >> All right. Good evening

[1:09:41] Commission. My name is Kevin

[1:09:42] Scanlon, currently a 27 year

[1:09:43] resident of the town of

[1:09:44] Windsor, Windsor Creek

[1:09:46] residential elementary school

[1:09:47] neighborhood. I've been

[1:09:48] in the government Realm for

[1:09:50] over 40 years and educated

[1:09:51] for 26 years. I was a volunteer

[1:09:52] for 16 years at Windsor High

[1:09:54] School. Tonight's quote is just

[1:09:56] incredible. I was in front

[1:09:58] of you in January

[1:09:59] to provide you fair warning

[1:10:02] of the horrific saga

[1:10:03] about the Windsor Creek

[1:10:05] elementary site involving the

[1:10:06] ever popular Gallagher

[1:10:08] Gallagher Homes, their famous

[1:10:09] CEO who have been who have

[1:10:11] duped the Windsor Unified

[1:10:13] School District into believing

[1:10:14] they could be long term

[1:10:16] business partners. Here's a

[1:10:18] glimpse. Windsor Unified

[1:10:21] School District has entered an

[1:10:22] exclusive negotiating agreement

[1:10:24] with Gallaher Homes, all

[1:10:26] of which were negotiated

[1:10:27] with closed sessions. Gallaher

[1:10:29] is to tear down Windsor Creek

[1:10:31] elementary at a minimum cost

[1:10:33] to WSD and

[1:10:34] with the WS USD whining

[1:10:36] about the $2.5 million

[1:10:38] demolition and some asbestos

[1:10:40] mitigation to be performed.

[1:10:42] But the WUSD will get royalties

[1:10:44] from some

[1:10:45] of the apartments and monies

[1:10:47] from the sale of the property

[1:10:49] to Gallaher. But don't worry,

[1:10:50] Gallaher to the rescue because

[1:10:52] of the insane wealth

[1:10:54] of the company. They will pay

[1:10:55] for the property and mitigate

[1:10:56] all to the to get the rights

[1:10:58] to build a four story 368 high

[1:11:01] density apartments that the

[1:11:04] Sonoma County Fire Department

[1:11:06] can't effectively fight fire or

[1:11:10] conduct rescue operations to

[1:11:12] the fourth floor because their

[1:11:14] ladder trucks operations can

[1:11:17] only reach the third floor.

[1:11:18] Side note,

[1:11:20] most school districts with

[1:11:22] similar surplus properties are

[1:11:23] selling their properties

[1:11:25] to the city, town or county at

[1:11:26] fair market prices so the

[1:11:27] property can be turned into

[1:11:28] sports and media complexes

[1:11:30] because of the existing sport

[1:11:32] amenities etc. The California

[1:11:34] Teachers association advocates

[1:11:36] advocates for sales

[1:11:38] of properties to the town, city

[1:11:40] and counties because they know

[1:11:41] this will be a great. This will

[1:11:43] be great for communities and

[1:11:44] the children and adolescents

[1:11:46] within. So the Cora Creek

[1:11:47] apartments are

[1:11:49] of the same design

[1:11:51] but situated

[1:11:52] along the west side of

[1:11:54] Armando Renzulo Way which is

[1:11:55] the entrance road to Windsor

[1:11:56] Creek elevation elementary

[1:11:57] property where one house stood

[1:11:58] on 3.68 acres. Gallaher wants

[1:12:00] 106 apartments

[1:12:02] in a four story configuration.

[1:12:03] Of course the application is

[1:12:04] already filed in the town of

[1:12:06] Windsor planning department

[1:12:08] that is being prepared

[1:12:10] for this commission to deal

[1:12:11] with

[1:12:12] in a future commission meeting.

[1:12:14] However, the project gets

[1:12:16] flawed from the height

[1:12:17] to cequa to forced on street,

[1:12:19] park, parking, etc all of which

[1:12:22] will drain will be a drain

[1:12:24] to the town resources at every

[1:12:27] level including police and fire

[1:12:29] functions. Yep, as forewarned,

[1:12:32] Gallagher is ready

[1:12:33] to start his trifecta

[1:12:36] of building first the Cora

[1:12:37] Creek Apartments, then

[1:12:39] Windsor Creek elementary demise

[1:12:41] and the highly suspected huge

[1:12:43] property on the east side

[1:12:44] of old Redwood highway north

[1:12:45] of the Bell Village commercial

[1:12:47] commercial property that also

[1:12:49] houses Gallagher's Windsor base

[1:12:51] operations. I thank you for

[1:12:53] your time and your

[1:12:55] consideration tonight.

[1:12:56] >> Thank you. See no others

[1:13:01] lined up for public comment.

[1:13:04] We will close public comment

[1:13:06] at this time. Moving on

[1:13:08] to item number eight,

[1:13:09] the consent calendar. Consent

[1:13:11] calendar items are viewed as

[1:13:12] routine in nature and require

[1:13:13] little or no further discussion

[1:13:15] by the commission, public or

[1:13:16] applicants and will be acted

[1:13:17] upon through a single motion.

[1:13:19] We only have one item

[1:13:20] on the consent calendar. That

[1:13:21] is the approval

[1:13:22] for the regular meeting minutes

[1:13:23] of March 11, 2025. Do we have a

[1:13:25] motion for approval?

[1:13:26] >> Move to approve.

[1:13:27] >> We have a motion. Do we have

[1:13:28] a second?

[1:13:29] >> Second.

[1:13:30] >> Secretary May. And we have a

[1:13:32] roll call vote.

[1:13:34] >>[CALLING ROLL]

[1:13:41] >> Thank you.

[1:13:42] >> Moving on to item nine,

[1:13:44] public hearing. We have none

[1:13:45] scheduled at this time. Item

[1:13:46] 10 for a regular calendar.

[1:13:47] Also none scheduled

[1:13:49] at this time. Moving to item

[1:13:51] 11, written communications. Do

[1:13:53] any commissioners have any

[1:13:54] written communication they'd

[1:13:56] like

[1:13:57] to acknowledge receiving? None

[1:13:59] at this time. Moving to item

[1:14:01] 12, commissioner comments.

[1:14:02] Commissioners have comments.

[1:14:04] >> It says, including reports,

[1:14:08] meetings and conferences and

[1:14:10] activities

[1:14:11] in miscellaneous agencies. And

[1:14:13] I did go have coffee and

[1:14:14] chitchat with Tim Massey. He

[1:14:16] wanted to give a presentation

[1:14:18] on the Quail Acres project and

[1:14:20] it was just his overview

[1:14:21] of trying to get me up to speed

[1:14:23] as the newest commissioner

[1:14:25] of what they've done so far

[1:14:27] at this commission. It's pretty

[1:14:29] brief and pretty informational.

[1:14:31] >> All right, Moving on. Item

[1:14:34] 12.2, Commission request

[1:14:39] for future agenda items

[1:14:41] at this time. Seeing none. We

[1:14:46] will close item 12. Item 13,

[1:14:49] the Community Development

[1:14:50] Director's report. Director

[1:14:52] Streeter.

[1:14:53] >> Thank you, Chair. A couple

[1:14:55] things. One, all the members of

[1:14:56] the commission should have

[1:14:58] received an invitation

[1:15:00] to next week's workshop Voices

[1:15:01] of Windsor. It'll be held here.

[1:15:04] We'll have various town

[1:15:06] officials. I believe Shannon

[1:15:07] and I will be there as well as

[1:15:09] many members of the council. I

[1:15:10] would strongly encourage,

[1:15:11] if you're available, to have

[1:15:13] commission members present too.

[1:15:14] It would really enhance the

[1:15:16] evening for everyone. Also, the

[1:15:18] CNU 33, the Congress for the

[1:15:19] New Urbanists Urbanism is

[1:15:23] coming up. So I have previously

[1:15:25] asked if there's any interest

[1:15:27] on the commission,

[1:15:28] please let me or Amanda know if

[1:15:30] you're interested

[1:15:32] in attending this year.

[1:15:34] >> Yes, that's a good idea.

[1:15:39] >> Yeah.

[1:15:43] >> It begins on June 11th and

[1:15:44] it's usually a three day

[1:15:45] conference. Providence East

[1:15:48] Coast. Also, we are polling

[1:15:51] for a potential special meeting

[1:15:53] at the end of April, April

[1:15:56] 29th. So if you haven't

[1:15:59] responded to the request from

[1:16:02] Amanda, please do so. And then

[1:16:05] just some upcoming items. We

[1:16:07] have our next meeting April

[1:16:11] 8th. We'll have Ms. Fisher back

[1:16:14] for for her second presentation

[1:16:16] which will be history of

[1:16:18] Planning in Windsor since

[1:16:20] Incorporation. We'll also have

[1:16:22] some public hearings

[1:16:24] on that agenda,

[1:16:26] including the old Redwood

[1:16:28] Highway Villages project which

[1:16:29] is gearing up

[1:16:31] for construction, but they have

[1:16:34] a minor modification

[1:16:35] to the resolution of approval

[1:16:37] to request that has to do with

[1:16:39] second story windows as well as

[1:16:41] a comprehensive sign program

[1:16:42] amendment for the Lakewood

[1:16:43] Shopping Center. This is

[1:16:45] on behest of the upcoming

[1:16:47] Dollar Tree tenant which is

[1:16:49] moving in and

[1:16:51] on council agendas. April 16th

[1:16:53] we have heritage park fee

[1:16:55] deferral agreement. So

[1:16:57] Heritage park,

[1:16:59] the project has been approved

[1:17:02] by the commission. They've

[1:17:04] returned

[1:17:06] to the council several times

[1:17:08] for some financing strategies.

[1:17:09] One of those was a deferral

[1:17:11] of fees. They've asked

[1:17:13] for some amendments

[1:17:14] to that deferral. The council

[1:17:16] was open

[1:17:19] to that and so have asked staff

[1:17:20] to come back with a prepared

[1:17:22] resolution that would approve

[1:17:23] that. So hopefully with that

[1:17:25] in place, we'll see that

[1:17:27] project finally penciled

[1:17:28] out and start construction.

[1:17:29] And then lastly on May 21,

[1:17:30] which seems like a ways away,

[1:17:32] but it'll be here soon,

[1:17:33] we'll have our annual report on

[1:17:35] the housing element and the

[1:17:36] general plan. And that

[1:17:38] concludes my report. Thank you.

[1:17:39] >> Thank you very much. At this

[1:17:41] time we will adjourn the

[1:17:42] meeting. The next regular

[1:17:44] meeting of the Planning

[1:17:45] commission is scheduled for

[1:17:46] Tuesday, April 8, 2025

[1:17:47] at 5:30pm and will be held

[1:17:49] in the council chambers located

[1:17:50] at 9291 Old Redwood highway,

[1:17:51] building 400 Windsor.

Planning Commission

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