[0:40] Hello.

[0:43] So, um, so I'm Sage, the planning

[0:45] director. Um, just here to give a brief

[0:48] intro. Uh so first off, thank you

[0:50] everybody for coming and um continuing

[0:52] to uh work on this project on the CAC.

[0:56] Um so uh just first off, you do have a

[1:00] number of desk items. Um most were

[1:02] emailed to you ahead of time as they

[1:05] were received. I just want to note there

[1:07] were two additional desk items that came

[1:09] in after 5:00 today. Um and those have

[1:11] been provided for you and they're all in

[1:13] front of you. And so,

[1:16] uh, just want to note that, um, you

[1:18] know, why we're here tonight and, um,

[1:21] we're getting close to the midway of

[1:23] this process and it's important that,

[1:26] uh, the town provides an update to the

[1:28] town council. So, we've had, uh, two, I

[1:32] think, um, well attended and a lot of

[1:35] input at the last two CAC meetings. Uh

[1:38] and from that um there have been some

[1:42] you know very general design concepts

[1:45] prepared um in response to some of the

[1:48] feedback that we received uh before we

[1:52] presented that information to the

[1:53] council. We wanted to make sure the CAC

[1:55] members had a chance to look at it and

[1:57] provide some recommendations. So that

[1:59] was the main purpose of this extra

[2:01] meeting, this extra CAC meeting tonight.

[2:04] Um, and then I just uh so we will be

[2:07] going to the town council at their next

[2:10] meeting on Tuesday, next Tuesday.

[2:13] The And then just a reminder for

[2:15] everyone, you know, the town center area

[2:17] plan, it's a long range planning

[2:19] document that is focused on a particular

[2:22] area in town. Um, it is a policy

[2:24] document. So you know at the end of this

[2:27] process there will be policies that will

[2:30] guide the town set priorities for

[2:34] different action items for the town to

[2:36] pursue.

[2:37] Um that policy document is not

[2:42] um something that will implement any

[2:45] specific idea to the fine granular

[2:48] detail. So that what you have before you

[2:50] tonight are just general design concepts

[2:54] of things that the town may consider in

[2:56] some kind of abstract form. Um and if

[3:00] ultimately adopted by the town council

[3:03] uh different policies to pursue some

[3:06] different options and in the future any

[3:10] options that the town council pursue or

[3:14] any policies that direct the town to

[3:16] pursue different options I will still

[3:18] have input on those granular details. um

[3:22] everything that you have before you

[3:23] tonight again is just kind of concept

[3:26] visions to look at um and provide some

[3:29] feedback on. So just remember we're not

[3:31] voting or deciding if this actual design

[3:35] is going to be implemented or not but

[3:37] looking at it more of a holistic kind of

[3:40] policy concept review. So I just want to

[3:43] reiterate that. But um with that again,

[3:46] thank you all for coming and I'll turn

[3:47] it over to um Good City Company who has

[3:51] been assisting us with this process.

[4:01] All right, thanks Sage. Thanks for the

[4:03] welcome. Good to see everyone again. Um

[4:06] we really appreciate you all taking time

[4:08] to be a part of this process. As Sage

[4:10] pointed out, we had a couple of um

[4:12] really successful, productive,

[4:14] respectful meetings uh so far. So, we

[4:17] want to keep building on that momentum.

[4:19] Um next slide.

[4:22] So, for tonight, the agenda, um we had

[4:26] the welcome in the opening from Sage and

[4:29] myself. Then I'll jump into a quick

[4:31] refresher on the project, uh what we've

[4:33] done so far, where we're going next, and

[4:35] what we want to get out of this effort.

[4:37] Um then for the really the line share of

[4:39] the meeting, we're going to focus on

[4:41] transportation ideas. Like Sage said, we

[4:43] have a couple of ideas. You know, you

[4:45] guys had some really good feedback in

[4:46] December. We heard that feedback um and

[4:49] we then we developed some concepts that

[4:51] we'd love to kind of just chat about

[4:52] with you all to refine them. Um and then

[4:55] to give you just the chance to take a

[4:57] you know, take a stab at them before we

[4:58] go to council next week. Um so we're

[5:00] really going to focus on those concepts

[5:02] for most of the meeting. Uh then we'll

[5:04] briefly at the end kind of leave a

[5:06] little bit of a time to touch base about

[5:08] housing. Um really important topic. We

[5:10] talked about it a little bit at the last

[5:12] meeting, but we'd like to come back to

[5:14] it again at the end of this meeting.

[5:16] Then we'll have public comment and I'll

[5:19] sort of um talk about where we're going

[5:21] next after this meeting and then we'll

[5:24] wrap it up and we'll hopefully get out

[5:26] of here earlier than last time.

[5:28] Next slide.

[5:30] Okay, so here we are kind of in our

[5:32] timeline. Uh the big giant star there is

[5:35] our meeting tonight. We had already like

[5:38] we mentioned two meetings. We had one

[5:40] last July and we had one in December. Um

[5:44] and we were originally going to go

[5:46] straight ahead to town council and kind

[5:48] of present, you know, what we've talked

[5:50] about with this group, but we figured

[5:52] since we had sort of the time and space

[5:55] to talk with you before we went to

[5:56] council, we're going to go ahead and add

[5:58] tonight's meeting. um to give you the

[6:02] opportunity to share the input with us

[6:04] that then we can then carry forward to

[6:05] council. Um and then what we'll be doing

[6:08] after that is we'll launch into kind of

[6:09] a fuller phase of community engagement

[6:11] like we did last time. We'll have a

[6:13] survey, some popups, uh openhouse

[6:16] workshop, and then we'll be back with

[6:18] the CAC again uh to kind of take stock

[6:20] of what we heard from the public in that

[6:22] last meeting. Um and then to kind of

[6:24] keep refining the ideas and the policies

[6:26] as Sage said as we kind of move forward

[6:28] towards a more refined policy effort and

[6:31] then we'll go into environmental review.

[6:33] Um

[6:35] so uh next slide.

[6:38] So at the last meeting um we presented

[6:42] we kind of talked through a list of we

[6:44] call them outcomes you call them

[6:46] objectives or guiding principles but

[6:47] this is kind of what we as a town want

[6:50] to get out out of this effort. Um, so we ran through this list last time. We

[6:55] had a couple of good ideas from the

[6:56] group here about edits to this list. We

[6:58] made most of those edits. And so we just

[7:00] wanted to kind of put this up again uh

[7:03] just to reflect your feedback and to

[7:05] give you one more chance just to kind of

[7:06] weigh in on this. I think um we're

[7:09] generally in agreement on this, but I'll

[7:11] stop just for a moment if anyone has any

[7:13] kind of clarifying questions or comments

[7:16] um on these outcomes that we're all

[7:18] working towards. Richard Sure.

[7:26] » Is that

[7:30] some sort of process?

[7:37] What is that?

[7:39] >> Uh yeah, it'll be it'll be a squa

[7:41] process. The exact nature of which I

[7:43] think it'll depend upon the alternatives

[7:46] that we study um for the town center.

[7:49] how much housing we look at. Uh most

[7:52] likely it'll be a regular squa process

[7:55] where we go through, you know, the the

[7:58] different topic areas um to some degree.

[8:00] I think there'll be some amount

[8:03] um that we can tear off of the work done

[8:06] um for the housing element. Um but I

[8:09] think we'll get we'll talk about that

[8:11] more at our next meeting. We'll come

[8:13] with a very I think more clear approach

[8:15] about SQA. It does depend a bit on where

[8:18] we go with um how much housing we look

[8:22] at in the in the plan area.

[8:24] >> And Troy, I'll just uh for everyone just

[8:26] to uh remind everyone to please make

[8:28] sure you speak closely into the

[8:30] microphones and one for the folks in the

[8:32] room, but most importantly for the folks

[8:34] that are joining us on Zoom, the only

[8:36] way they're going to hear you is if that

[8:37] you actually speak really closely into

[8:39] the microphones. So, thanks.

[8:41] >> Yeah, good point, Sage. Daniel.

[8:44] >> So, So, I have one topic that I feel

[8:49] like is a little bit abyss for this list

[8:51] that I just wanted to put in front of

[8:52] the group. Um, I attended one of the

[8:54] council meetings in January and an

[8:56] organization called LAFCO, which is an

[8:58] arm of San Monteo County that audits the

[9:00] health of the town cities presented to

[9:03] us on the kind of what's the health of

[9:04] Woodside. Um, on the financial side of

[9:08] things, so our budget is about $12.5

[9:10] million a year.

[9:12] um 51% of our budget comes from property

[9:15] taxes, which is really unusual in the

[9:17] county. That's normally 15 or 20%.

[9:19] There's not a lot we can do about it,

[9:21] right? That revenue source. Um our next

[9:24] biggest revenue source is permitting and

[9:25] fees. We have very little sales tax,

[9:28] very little business taxes, no hotel tax

[9:31] that most of the other cities make a

[9:33] towns make a lot of money on. Um and so

[9:35] why do I bring this up? Well, our police

[9:37] services cost $3 million a year and

[9:39] they're projected to grow way faster

[9:42] than our town revenue and LAFCO in this

[9:45] meeting raised an alarm that said by

[9:46] 2030 we may be looking at a million

[9:48] dollar shortfall in our budget which is

[9:50] kind of where Pole Valley is right where

[9:52] they're in financial trouble. So the

[9:54] question I had that comes out of that is

[9:57] should one of our desired outcomes or

[9:59] goals for the town center project be to

[10:01] try to focus on having the town center

[10:03] generate revenue for the town as a

[10:05] priority? Um is that a way to close that

[10:09] gap that's inevitably coming if it's not

[10:11] just the next four years it's certainly

[10:13] in the scope of this project. So that's

[10:15] something I wanted to put on the table

[10:16] is do we need a number 12 which is one

[10:19] of our goals needs to be to design the

[10:22] town center as a revenue generator for

[10:24] the town as as fitting with the rest of

[10:26] our principles but really think about

[10:27] because I don't know where else we can

[10:29] go find revenue in the town of Woodside

[10:32] if we have that shortfall. So that's

[10:34] what that's what I wanted to put on the

[10:35] table.

[10:36] >> Uh that's great great idea. Um,

[10:39] why don't we take that down? And, um, I

[10:43] don't see any reason why not to add that

[10:45] there. Um, unless we have any other

[10:47] ideas about that thought or any others

[10:50] on the outcomes list.

[10:56] » Number 11 is um, the end of it doesn't

[11:00] make complete sense to me. Offer more

[11:02] flexibility to land owners and explore

[11:05] allowing residential development

[11:08] uses. Maybe we should

[11:09] >> in in commercial spaces. Is that what

[11:12] you mean?

[11:13] >> Well, I think that's the crux of this

[11:15] process is exactly to what degree do we

[11:18] allow residential. So, it's kind of hard

[11:20] for I think for us to nail down the

[11:22] outcome of that discussion. Um, so I was

[11:24] kind of we're leaving that a little bit

[11:26] open-ended there.

[11:27] >> Yeah, that one seemed a little

[11:28] >> open. Yeah, like everything else seemed

[11:30] pretty clear, but that one was just so

[11:32] vague. And if that's our whole process,

[11:34] I'm not sure exactly what that one's

[11:37] doing.

[11:38] >> Sure.

[11:39] >> So, quick comment. In other cities and

[11:41] municipalities, residential typically is

[11:45] a cost. It is not a uh revenue

[11:49] generator. So, in light of the comment

[11:51] made here and the ad of 12, I think

[11:54] there's an impact on 11.

[11:58] Yeah, there could be, I think, some

[12:00] tradeoffs there that we'll have to think

[12:02] about. Um,

[12:05] >> I mean, to me, these are all goals. Oh,

[12:09] sorry, not even goals. They're

[12:10] opportunities. It says explore allowing

[12:13] residential. Doesn't say force it.

[12:15] Doesn't say you have to do it. Doesn't

[12:16] say anything. There's no mandate. It

[12:18] says explore it. That's all it says. So,

[12:21] I don't think they're actually in

[12:21] conflict at all because we can encourage

[12:23] more businesses to have more uh, you

[12:26] know, taxable revenue for the town while

[12:28] still allowing land owners to make use

[12:30] of their land as they want, including

[12:32] exploring residential uses. I don't

[12:33] think they're in conflict at all.

[12:37] >> Well said.

[12:40] Any other thoughts?

[12:43] All right.

[12:45] So, let's jump into tonight's

[12:50] sort of main course. Um, transportation

[12:52] improvement concepts. And when we say

[12:55] transportation, we really mean

[12:57] everything. Cars, bikes, horses, people,

[13:00] and also the public spaces by those

[13:03] transportation spaces, public spaces.

[13:05] So, trans transportation is kind of a,

[13:07] you know, catchall, but we're talking

[13:09] about a couple of different things here

[13:11] tonight. Um, and as Sage mentioned that

[13:14] really this is still conceptual. We're

[13:16] still kind of throwing ideas out there,

[13:18] visioning. We're not making final

[13:20] decisions. Um, we're going to take what

[13:23] we hear with tonight, share it with the

[13:26] council, um, help inform kind of the

[13:29] next meeting that we have with this

[13:30] group. Um, but we'll have at least two

[13:32] more meetings with y'all to kind of

[13:34] finalize these ideas and other ideas

[13:37] that we're, you know, talking about.

[13:40] um before we finalize the plan which

[13:42] will kind of capture the policy input

[13:44] that this group has worked on. Um so in

[13:47] front of you you all have a a handout.

[13:49] It's the large 11 by7 sheet that you

[13:53] have. Um you can use that to basically

[13:55] kind of follow along our ideas. We kind

[13:57] of have these five areas that we're

[13:59] going to go through one by one and talk

[14:00] about each area. So there's a a page for

[14:03] each of those areas uh that kind of sums

[14:06] up the ideas. You can mark down

[14:08] additional comments on this form if you

[14:10] want. If you, you know, don't get a

[14:12] chance to say it, you can mark that down

[14:14] and hand it back to us. Um, or you can

[14:16] just use this to kind of follow along as

[14:18] Ryan goes through the different areas.

[14:21] Um, but just that's just basically kind

[14:24] of a presentation aid for you guys to

[14:25] have as we go through this tonight. Um,

[14:27] so Ryan's going to get up here in a sec

[14:29] and he's going to go through each of

[14:30] these areas. We'll do a very brief

[14:32] presentation about kind of the ideas.

[14:34] Then we'll pause for discussion debate.

[14:36] Um, and then we'll maybe have a little

[14:38] show of hands voting about kind of some

[14:40] of the ideas and which ones you guys

[14:42] think are more more promising and not.

[14:45] Um, so with that, I'll hand it over to

[14:46] Ryan.

[14:51] » Thanks, Troy.

[14:54] Okay. Uh, this won't be short, so we'll

[14:58] get started. Uh, next slide, Troy. So,

[15:01] the really important thing to remember

[15:02] tonight is we have put these ideas out

[15:05] there to get as much feedback from all

[15:07] of you as possible. And what's really

[15:10] exciting about these meetings is when

[15:11] you actually discuss these things

[15:12] amongst yourselves because it usually

[15:14] unears more thinking. And the more

[15:16] thinking that we get on the table, the

[15:18] better we'll be able to find consensus

[15:20] with your interests, with the uh

[15:22] administration's uh interests, and also

[15:24] with the community's interests. So

[15:26] that's kind of the big process that

[15:28] we're aiming towards is incorporating as

[15:30] much feedback and the trade-offs, making

[15:33] decisions about the trade-offs to get to

[15:34] the right consensus.

[15:37] So I'll go through these this slide kind

[15:39] of outlines some of the key issues that

[15:41] we can look at tonight. Uh number one,

[15:43] Woodside and Kinyatta and Mountain Home

[15:45] intersection is a bit challenging. We

[15:48] heard that from all of you and the

[15:50] community as well. So we've come up with

[15:52] some ideas about that. Uh it's unsafe to

[15:56] cross Woodside Road in a lot of number

[15:58] of different places for pedestrians,

[15:59] horses, and bikes. Uh traffic moves too

[16:03] fast near the school and often uh from actually from Whiskey Hill into

[16:08] town as well. Uh there's no pathway on

[16:12] the north side of Woodside Road for the

[16:14] students uh to walk. At least it's not

[16:16] consistent. In some cases there's a

[16:18] walkway, in some cases there's drainage,

[16:20] in some cases there's parking. Uh we

[16:22] want to talk about um some of the

[16:25] parking issues in and around Robert's uh grocery where you're you're parking

[16:30] right in front and then also the

[16:32] difficulty of turning left on Whiskey

[16:33] Hill. There's traffic coming from both

[16:35] directions. It's not a controlled

[16:37] intersection and it can get a little

[16:39] hairy up there if you're trying to make

[16:40] a left onto it. Uh and then also it's not comfortable to get from the

[16:45] east side to the town center without a

[16:47] car. So that's kind of our our last

[16:49] issue there. Next slide.

[16:52] So to kind of categorize these

[16:54] discussions, we broke it up into five

[16:56] areas. Uh each one kind of touches on

[16:59] different things and they can kind of

[17:02] work in isolation, but I think they work

[17:04] better in concert with each other

[17:05] ultimately. So we'll be thinking about

[17:08] how the solutions for A and B and C and

[17:10] D could put potentially kind of work all

[17:12] together and create a a better town

[17:15] center environment. But we'll start off

[17:17] with Woodside West Woodside Road uh

[17:20] section A.

[17:23] Uh important thing to keep in and Sage

[17:25] mentioned this earlier. These are long

[17:27] range ideas. There's a whole process

[17:29] before anything gets implemented where

[17:31] they survey. You look where the

[17:33] utilities are. You look where the

[17:34] property lines are in great detail. So,

[17:37] and there's a whole public process that

[17:38] goes with actually implementing these

[17:40] ideas. But we've put together kind of

[17:42] vision concepts. So the big idea and

[17:46] we'll decide which of those seem to make

[17:48] sense. Um projects are ideally funded by

[17:52] grants town work uh town public works

[17:55] capital improvements or CALR. Uh we are

[17:58] trying to keep uh you know investments

[18:01] not not falling on the private property

[18:03] owners. Um again implementing these will

[18:07] require additional analysis review and

[18:08] sign off by CALR. And then we want to

[18:11] partner with land owners as much to kind

[18:14] of facilitate uh the ideas that kind of

[18:16] work for everybody. Next slide.

[18:21] So we'll start with the western Woodside

[18:23] Road. And this really uh spans from just

[18:26] past little store past the church all

[18:29] the way up to Robert's. And it's an

[18:31] interesting stretch of road. You have

[18:33] two different conditions for the bike

[18:34] lanes. you have kind of a a varying

[18:38] condition on the sidewalk on the south

[18:40] side and then the shoulder takes all

[18:42] kinds of different forms uh on the north

[18:44] side. So, we'll go to the next slide.

[18:46] Like Woodside, it's very unique. So,

[18:49] it'll have to be studied block by block

[18:51] in a lot of detail, but there were some

[18:53] sensitive areas that were revealed when

[18:55] we talked to uh the community and that

[18:58] really pertained to um the school, the

[19:01] little store, the church, and uh coming

[19:04] up to Robert's. Um so, this is the

[19:07] existing section here. Again, you'll see

[19:10] that there's a multi-use trail that in

[19:13] some places is really well defined. In

[19:15] other places, it's a bit rough. uh on

[19:18] the on the the right side here which is

[19:20] the school side. Uh the shoulder is

[19:23] around four feet. You got 12 foot travel

[19:26] lanes where the first one is actually

[19:28] shared with the bikes. The second one is

[19:31] clear of the bikes and you have a

[19:32] dedicated bike lane and then you have

[19:34] that shoulder that varies along the way.

[19:36] Next slide.

[19:40] So right now it is somewhat of an unsafe

[19:43] environment for the elementary school

[19:44] students. um vehicles at times do go

[19:47] over the speed limit and speed down this

[19:49] corridor. Uh and there's a lack of

[19:52] parking for the commercial uses at the

[19:54] church and at little store. Um so some

[19:57] of the CAC feedback that we had before

[20:00] was the elementary students pedestrian

[20:02] bicycles were tied up uh for the top

[20:05] priority to fix uh and we want to really

[20:09] fix the speeding issues that are along

[20:11] that stretch of road. Next slide.

[20:14] Some of the kind of broad ideas on here

[20:17] is starting with the pedestrian, how do

[20:19] we improve things on the north side and

[20:21] then how do we improve things on the

[20:22] south side of the street. In some of the

[20:24] areas around the school, they're already

[20:26] fairly nicely improved. Um, but it's

[20:30] when you start heading west from the

[20:32] school that things get a little

[20:33] irregular. So, looking at really

[20:36] formulizing formalizing the pedestrian

[20:39] um or the pedestrian and equestrian

[20:41] improvements along this corridor. Um, so

[20:44] enhance the existing path on the south side and look for opportunities to

[20:48] create a new multi-use path on the north

[20:50] side. Uh, in and around the school zone

[20:53] treatments, we have some a couple

[20:55] different concepts there that are

[20:56] additive. You can look at doing all of

[20:58] them or just some of them. Uh, and so

[21:01] let's let's go to the next slide, Troy.

[21:05] So traffic calming uh they've already

[21:08] started your your city's uh already done

[21:10] quite a bit to start traffic calming uh

[21:13] with high visibility crosswalks the

[21:15] rapid flashing beacons uh bike lane on

[21:18] one side the posted speed limit and we

[21:21] noticed tonight that there's the speed

[21:22] check uh digital readout which is really

[21:24] great that's very very helpful. Uh so

[21:28] the first concept is to bracket it up a

[21:30] notch. Uh narrow the lanes to 11 ft wide

[21:34] which is not an uncommon dimension uh

[21:36] for for vehicles to travel. It narrows

[21:38] up the feeling of the road a little bit.

[21:40] So people do tend to drive slower in

[21:42] those environments. Um create safer

[21:45] crossing points at Albon and new

[21:47] crossings at Fox Hollow and Miramontes.

[21:50] Um you know natural connection points

[21:52] for the neighborhoods. Uh and then look

[21:55] at uh curb extensions where there's a

[21:57] really strong definition of where the

[21:59] car uh has to go when they turn the

[22:01] corner. So there's no cutting the corner

[22:03] or where pedestrians might be standing.

[22:05] Uh speed bumps, raised crosswalks. Uh do

[22:08] folks understand the difference between

[22:10] a a raised crosswalk speed table and a speed bump? Uh if not, let me know

[22:16] and we can walk through that. It's a

[22:18] nice device. It creates a really nice

[22:20] crosswalk for pedestrians and it really

[22:22] forces the cars to slow down without

[22:24] that jolt that you get with the regular

[22:26] speed bump. Um, and then school zone

[22:28] visual treatments are really great if

[22:30] you can play up the visibility of the

[22:32] crosswalk as much as possible and really

[22:34] get people's attention, which is getting

[22:36] harder in cars, um, with as many visual

[22:39] cues and suggestions. We think that's

[22:41] really important. So, these are kind of

[22:42] like the base recommendations. Next

[22:45] slide.

[22:48] Uh the concept two is if we can uh let's

[22:52] really formalize the multi-use trails on

[22:54] either side of the road. This is going

[22:56] to take a really careful study on the

[22:57] north side to look at where the power

[22:59] lines are or the power poles are where there's big trees or where they're

[23:03] not big trees and then there's the

[23:04] drainage. So that would take a lot of

[23:06] study, but it would be a great long-term

[23:08] goal for the city to achieve um

[23:10] pedestrian safe travel on both sides of

[23:12] the street. the southside on the side of

[23:15] the school is actually uh I think it's

[23:18] quite implementable. Uh it's it's not

[23:20] far off from where it is today. So I

[23:22] think that's a good thing if we can buy

[23:24] ourselves some space take some space

[23:27] away from the cars and you know get two

[23:31] dedicated bike lanes. It wouldn't be for

[23:34] the entire length because there are some

[23:35] trees some really old trees that

[23:37] encroach and narrow the roadway. But if

[23:40] we could, you know, beyond those trees

[23:42] which are closer to the school going

[23:44] west, if we could implement dedicated

[23:46] bike lanes so that a cyclist, you know,

[23:49] has a symmetrical street layout, they

[23:51] know that they're going this way on a on

[23:53] a dedicated bike lane and coming back on

[23:54] a dedicated bike lane, which is kind of

[23:56] a clear use of the street for them.

[23:59] Uh, next slide.

[24:03] So, Little Store, uh, you know, it's a

[24:05] great asset for the community. uh

[24:07] provides services uh without going all

[24:10] the way into the center. Uh right now

[24:12] it's there's a very nicely defined

[24:15] parking lot off the street, but there's

[24:17] some kind of ambiguous zones on either

[24:20] side of the store that could be parking,

[24:21] maybe they're not parking. There's some

[24:23] wood stumps, there's signage that says

[24:24] no. So going through a process where you

[24:28] really define what legally is in the

[24:29] public right away, what can legally be

[24:32] used as parking for the store and trying

[24:34] to make it easy and safe for um cars to

[24:38] park uh and also uh dedicating space for

[24:42] the bikes to travel on dedicated bike

[24:44] lanes I think would be a worthwhile um

[24:48] effort to clarify all of that. Next

[24:50] slide.

[24:52] So, this shows uh in plan kind of what

[24:55] we're thinking. Uh little stores there

[24:58] in the white outline with the parking

[24:59] lot to the right and just kind of

[25:01] creating a more formalized uh sidewalk

[25:04] or you know path environment. Uh have

[25:07] clearly defined parking and then

[25:10] narrowing the travel lanes to 11 feet

[25:13] gives room for 5ft bike lane and six

[25:15] foot upgraded DG path on the south side.

[25:20] Next slide.

[25:23] So before we jump into the the next

[25:25] session, I thought it'd be good to kind

[25:27] of hear from all of you on this. What

[25:29] are people's initial reactions to the

[25:32] concepts? Um, you know, share us share

[25:34] with us what you're you're thinking.

[25:37] Harley,

[25:41] » I'm all for anything that makes it safer

[25:43] for pedestrians and the students and

[25:47] bicyclists and stuff. Um I do have a

[25:50] question from one point on one of the

[25:53] other slides. It said implemented was

[25:56] posted speed limit lowered to 15 miles

[25:58] per hour. Is there an update about CALR

[26:02] and lowering the speed limit near

[26:04] school?

[26:06] >> Not yet.

[26:09] >> Yes. Uh Lewis, public works director. Um

[26:12] the request to reduce speed uh on what

[26:15] side road in front of the elementary

[26:16] school was submitted to CALR. Um, I'll

[26:18] be meeting with Calrance on Monday and

[26:20] get an update on that, but we did submit

[26:22] that request.

[26:29] » Yes, Steve. Um, yeah, I I mean, I wrote

[26:32] this in my letter, but I'll try to throw

[26:34] it quickly. I I the uh your diagram

[26:36] shows a 5-ft bike lane immediately

[26:39] adjacent to parked cars, which is really

[26:41] dangerous. And um I went not sure

[26:44] there's actually enough room for bike

[26:46] lanes in this section.

[26:48] and and the existing path near the

[26:50] school is a sidewalk really. It's not,

[26:53] you know, state and federal standards

[26:55] call for 12 feet a width for shared

[26:57] paths that are two-way. And so, um, you

[27:00] know, these are substandard and I think

[27:02] dangerous. So, I think balancing

[27:05] everything out, we'd actually do better

[27:07] to narrow the traffic lanes to slow

[27:09] people down and to and to get rid of the

[27:12] bike lanes alto together and have a

[27:13] 12-oot shared use path on one side with

[27:17] frequent crosswalks and ways to get to

[27:19] the crosswalks on the north side.

[27:22] >> Great.

[27:24] Any other comments,

[27:27] >> uh, yeah, I think I'm glad to see a lot

[27:28] of these. I know on circulation

[27:30] committee we've been talking about

[27:30] various ideas like this for years. So

[27:32] it's very good to see it holistically. I

[27:34] think the uh I agree with Steve's

[27:37] comments generally about you know where

[27:39] there's enough space and there isn't. I

[27:41] do I know the north side uh sidewalk or

[27:43] path there's another use for that which

[27:46] is there there's families that live up

[27:47] Monty's Audi Fred etc who have to

[27:50] literally walk through a ditch or have

[27:52] to cross the road at a non-crosswalk to

[27:54] get to school or to get to town center

[27:55] because there's actually no place to

[27:56] walk unless you walk opposite traffic in

[27:58] the bike lane which is both illegal and

[28:00] dangerous. So I think trying to find

[28:02] whatever we can to do it there obviously

[28:04] will be expensive. There's drainage

[28:05] concerns and it's not going to be a

[28:06] project we start tomorrow but I think

[28:08] support for it is great. I think the

[28:10] crosswalks are another thing to have

[28:11] support from people in that area. Again,

[28:13] if you actually go out there and look, I

[28:15] used to think it was not that bad. And

[28:16] then when I went out there with a parent

[28:17] a couple times, it's people are speeding

[28:19] and they're not waiting for you. And

[28:20] frankly, you're you're walking across

[28:22] the road without a crosswalk, so they're

[28:23] not expecting you. Um, so no, I think

[28:25] those are good ideas. I think the one

[28:26] thing to be cautious of with lane

[28:27] narrowing is obviously Cal has to

[28:30] approve it. That is a highway. Um, lots

[28:32] of people in Woodside have trailers,

[28:33] right? Obviously horse trailers, utility

[28:35] trailers, those are wider. There's

[28:37] usually 102 inches wide. Um, so we just

[28:39] want to make sure we don't create a

[28:40] situation where people just knock it

[28:41] into things or or driving across a lane,

[28:44] right? Like sometimes on that narrow

[28:46] bridge on 84 trailers will drive across

[28:48] because they want to keep a buffer to

[28:49] that wall on the side. So that could,

[28:51] you know, inadvertently cause a problem.

[28:52] So that's something to be aware of in

[28:54] narrowing in an area like this as

[28:56] opposed to maybe like a residential

[28:57] street where you're not going to have

[28:58] heavy traffic,

[28:58] >> right? Could make one more. I mean, the

[29:01] lanes are already 11 ft near the school.

[29:03] The the sidewalk project narrowed the

[29:05] lanes there. So, Kellr approve that.

[29:08] We're already living with that and I

[29:10] haven't heard complaints about those

[29:11] lanes being too narrow.

[29:14] >> So, a couple a couple of other comments.

[29:16] So, like EANO, we look at this stuff in

[29:18] circulation all the time, right? So, I

[29:20] maybe a little more detail um on the

[29:22] traffic calming stuff. You guys are

[29:24] going to be very thoughtful about our

[29:26] equestrian community. So, horse trailers

[29:28] and speed bumps don't mix at all, right?

[29:32] So, we would have to have I I don't know

[29:34] how we're going to handle that. Um, uh,

[29:37] same idea with Narrow we talked about

[29:39] earlier. Um, I think that we all want to

[29:42] have safety for the kids.

[29:43] >> Mhm.

[29:43] >> Woodside Road is also a primary wildfire

[29:45] evacuation route,

[29:46] >> right?

[29:47] >> So, whatever we do needs to we just need

[29:49] to make sure we don't accidentally

[29:51] reduce capacity so people die in a

[29:52] wildfire, right? Trying to get down from

[29:54] the hill. Um, I would extend this to

[29:57] Kings Mountain. It would be silly to

[29:59] have a beautiful six foot wide DG path

[30:02] that stops at the little store because

[30:04] the trails go on Kings Mountain and

[30:06] that's that's a that's right where the

[30:09] current trail dies, right?

[30:10] >> Right in front of the little street. So,

[30:12] it's just such an easy opportunity to

[30:13] connect to the King's Mountain trail

[30:15] network. Um the just to in back your

[30:18] head, the town engineer was very

[30:19] concerned about drainage on the north

[30:20] side when this has been brought up. So,

[30:22] they were talking about it being very

[30:23] expensive because of having to reroute

[30:26] drainage compared to making it great on

[30:28] the south side. Um, I think an an urgent

[30:32] project that we're thinking about in

[30:33] circulation, but you guys could help

[30:34] with simply publishing clarity about

[30:37] rules. So, we have, you know, residents

[30:39] who put no parking signs up in the

[30:41] public right of way because they don't

[30:42] like the little store parking, right?

[30:44] And that's not probably great behavior.

[30:46] So, you know, who's allowed to park

[30:48] where in Woodside is people don't really

[30:50] know and it's not well signed and why.

[30:52] Um, same thing about who's allowed to

[30:53] use the trails there. So, we have

[30:55] examples of equestrians telling kids on

[30:58] bikes get off the trail, right?

[31:00] >> Get on public trails. And so, we just,

[31:02] you know, what's allowed, I think, is

[31:04] really important to so people know

[31:06] because people want to follow the rules.

[31:07] They just don't know.

[31:08] >> Yeah. Clear signage stating directly

[31:10] what's permissible, what's not

[31:12] permissible, and who can use the

[31:14] facilities. That's great. Thank you.

[31:16] >> I would echo what Mr. Ducker just said

[31:18] and then also add that probably step one

[31:21] would be applying a fair amount of TLC

[31:25] to the existing trail um along Woodside

[31:28] Road on the south side because on a day

[31:31] like today it is very swampy.

[31:33] >> Yeah.

[31:34] >> And the drainage is not good. And fixing

[31:36] the drainage on that and making it a 365

[31:41] day a year path would be really useful.

[31:44] Lyle, that's interesting because in a

[31:46] sense all of these improvements could

[31:48] also go through a phasing process, you

[31:50] know, so what's your absolute top, you

[31:53] know, priority that needs to happen

[31:55] ASAP? Let's write that down. And then

[31:58] what's what are the nice to haves? Like,

[32:00] okay, in a perfect world with unlimited

[32:02] funding, we could do X, Y, and Z. Or

[32:05] just I think categorizing where your

[32:06] priorities are would be really great.

[32:08] >> Formalizing the parking as pointed out

[32:11] would be good. The other thing as far as

[32:14] additional crosswalks,

[32:16] if you were going to prioritize, it

[32:18] would be easier to justify um something

[32:21] where Miramar Montes is versus Fox

[32:23] Hollow, which is a dead-end road that

[32:25] doesn't have a particular amount of um

[32:29] either of the four forms of traffic

[32:31] coming in and out of it.

[32:32] >> Okay.

[32:35] >> Yes, Richard.

[32:36] >> So, uh great comments here and I agree

[32:38] with all of them. Does the sale of the

[32:42] site next door to the elementary school

[32:45] in any way impact the location of the

[32:49] improvements that you show on slide 12?

[32:53] >> Go back to slide 12.

[32:55] >> So there's been a sale of that large

[32:58] parcel immediately west and adjoining

[33:01] the school. though and that's got a fair

[33:05] bit of frontage and right now it's shown

[33:07] with school zone treatments. Does that

[33:10] sale potential sale and potential use or

[33:14] development change any of this? It's a

[33:16] minor point but

[33:17] >> yeah I think as the vision for that site

[33:20] evolves and what the school intends to

[33:23] do with it the sensitivity is going to

[33:25] be access you know how is that site

[33:28] moving people how are they moving people

[33:30] onto that site is it through extending

[33:32] circulation that's already connected to

[33:34] the school or will they be looking at

[33:36] curb cuts or widening curb cuts and uh

[33:40] and then also land use intensity so I

[33:43] think at this stage um the priority

[33:45] ities of creating safe travel for

[33:48] pedestrians, horses, and bikes can stay

[33:51] consistent. And then we'll keep an eye

[33:53] on that and see where it goes as they

[33:55] reveal more of their thinking.

[34:03] » Back to uh the little store area and um

[34:07] you asked about priorities. Um, so I'm a

[34:10] resident up near that area and walk by

[34:14] there daily and it is extremely

[34:17] dangerous. Now there are so many people

[34:20] coming in and out of the little store,

[34:22] crossing the road there, kids, you know,

[34:24] adults, um, all during the day while the

[34:27] store is open. And I mean, I have seen

[34:30] people almost get hit. Um, certainly

[34:33] traffic does speed up once it leaves the

[34:36] school. It is clearly marked. All the

[34:38] crosswalks are great at the school for

[34:41] 25 and um cars just speed up because

[34:44] there are no signs that say it's still

[34:47] 25 until you hit uh past Kings Mountain

[34:50] Road or at Kings Mountain Road. So I

[34:53] think a priority be besides certainly

[34:55] parking delineating parking but also

[34:58] putting in at least one crosswalk

[35:01] whether it's at uh Fox Hollow enabling

[35:05] people to cross the street to get to

[35:08] their cars um wherever they are along

[35:10] there or Mariamontes.

[35:12] um a crosswalk is needed and uh

[35:16] preferably just a simple 25 mph sign

[35:21] right around Miramonte's Fox Hollow

[35:24] again telling people this is still a 25

[35:27] mph speed zone.

[35:29] >> Great. So, do you think uh the Fox

[35:32] Hollow Road or the Little Store, a

[35:35] crosswalk right at Little Store or in

[35:39] instead of Fox Hollow, does that make

[35:40] more sense in your mind or do you think

[35:43] >> I think either is fine? I mean, whatever

[35:46] you think would be easier to get uh

[35:49] past.

[35:50] >> Okay.

[35:50] >> Um just something there needs to be

[35:53] there. Um, it Fox Hollow is so close to

[35:57] the little store that even I think it

[35:59] wouldn't people would still walk those

[36:02] few, you know, feet to get to Fox Hollow

[36:05] to cross

[36:05] >> to use a safe cross. Yeah.

[36:08] >> Great.

[36:08] >> But either way.

[36:10] >> Yeah.

[36:10] >> Thanks, Vanessa. Yeah.

[36:12] >> Uh, should we

[36:13] >> Oh, great.

[36:14] >> Yes, Carolyn.

[36:15] >> Hi. Uh, just a question about the

[36:18] village hub parking that's suggested

[36:20] here as well. There was a helpful

[36:21] diagram for the little store, but uh I

[36:23] didn't see one for the space on the

[36:25] north side along Village Hub. Is that

[36:28] just because it's more self-explanatory

[36:30] or

[36:31] >> uh

[36:31] >> were there specific recommendations that

[36:33] you had?

[36:34] >> The the there's signage right now at

[36:36] Village Hub that I believe says no

[36:38] parking at certain times. Um but Troy,

[36:42] let's look at that. We'll take some

[36:44] pictures tonight and at least document

[36:46] exactly what the rules are in that spot

[36:48] because I remember I had to park way

[36:50] down Woodside Road when we did the popup

[36:52] at the Village Hub because the parking

[36:54] was not allowed along the street there.

[36:57] Um

[37:00] uh let's let's hear from Sue.

[37:03] >> Hi.

[37:04] Would the bike lane by foot also count

[37:08] as roadway?

[37:11] So, say for a firet truck.

[37:13] >> Yes. Okay.

[37:14] >> Yeah. If they needed that extra, there

[37:16] would not be any ballards or barriers

[37:18] between those two environments. And a

[37:21] lot of times in that configuration where

[37:24] there's um an adjacent bike lane, the

[37:27] cyclist will like to pass slower bike

[37:29] cyclists and they'll go into the roadway

[37:31] to get around those guys rather than

[37:33] trying to do it all in the five feet.

[37:35] So, there's no barriers between the two.

[37:37] >> Okay. So legally, if we're saying a road

[37:39] has to be 26 foot wide for a fire truck

[37:43] going to a 30 foot tall, taller

[37:45] structure, we could say this road as

[37:48] pictured.

[37:49] >> Definitely. Yeah, they can put the feet

[37:50] down uh on the fire truck rig because

[37:53] you basically have 30 plus feet to work

[37:55] with.

[37:56] >> Yeah. Thanks.

[37:59] » I just wanted to call out a pray praise

[38:01] for the school's own treatment uh

[38:03] designation. I know one thing we've

[38:04] identified is the the school is actually

[38:06] quite good at hiding itself. So it's

[38:08] kind of follows a woodside design

[38:09] aesthetic of being subordinate to the

[38:11] land. It's almost too good and so people

[38:13] who don't know it's there until you are

[38:14] literally on top of it, you do not know

[38:16] there's a school there. So things we can

[38:17] do to make that more obvious are very

[38:18] good.

[38:19] >> Excellent.

[38:22] Great. Uh we'll keep going then on to

[38:25] area two. Oh, really quick, Troy. Do you think we should do the vote or

[38:32] >> Yeah, just out of curiosity, uh just do

[38:34] a quick show of hands for everyone who

[38:36] supports the north side path.

[38:46] » We can do a priority list maybe.

[38:48] >> Yeah. Well, it's just interesting to see

[38:50] kind of I think

[38:51] >> Totally.

[38:53] >> million,

[38:54] >> right?

[38:54] >> It's a It's a maybe. Well, absolutely.

[38:57] >> Okay, that's good feedback. I think we

[38:59] have pretty good uh support for the

[39:02] first concept, the street calming and the slowing down. Um, how about the

[39:06] last idea, the marked on street parking?

[39:09] How many hands for that one?

[39:12] >> Most most.

[39:14] >> Great.

[39:14] >> Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.

[39:17] All right, next area.

[39:20] >> So, uh, Woodside Kinata Woodside Road,

[39:23] Kinyatta Road, Mountain Home Road. This

[39:25] is one of the kind of major arrival

[39:28] points in the city or the town and uh it

[39:31] is a slightly organic intersection. I

[39:34] think 100 years ago it was probably a

[39:36] lot slower and a lot easier to navigate.

[39:38] Um but there's a lot more traffic that

[39:40] doesn't necessarily live in Woodside,

[39:42] but they go through this space and so

[39:44] there's quite a bit of activity here.

[39:46] And so looking at a a way to really

[39:49] create a lot more visual clarity for a

[39:51] pedestrian uh for a motorist for a bike

[39:54] or horse on where you should actually be

[39:57] uh in this zone. So let's go through the

[40:00] next slide.

[40:02] So these are some of the existing

[40:04] conditions that we have. Uh there are

[40:07] two slip lanes. uh one uh on coming off

[40:11] of Kenyatta Road to make a a right past

[40:13] Kinyatta Corners and then one coming off

[40:16] Mountain Hob Road making a right on the

[40:17] Woodside. And those are intentionally

[40:20] designed to keep traffic flow going

[40:22] really easily. Uh but they also create

[40:25] somewhat of a challenge for pedestrians

[40:27] just you know another another road to

[40:29] cross and getting in and around this

[40:31] hub. uh the sight lines and visibility.

[40:35] There are times where you're making a

[40:37] right off Woodside Road on the Mountain

[40:39] Home and you may not realize that

[40:42] somebody's backing out of Robert's

[40:43] Grocery. So, there's some concerns with

[40:45] that. Um and then also there's just some

[40:48] traffic congestion that comes with all

[40:50] of these traffic movements coming

[40:52] together at this one spot.

[40:54] Uh there's a lack of crosswalks. If

[40:57] you're coming from um uh Gilbert's

[41:00] property going across over Robert's

[41:02] Grocery, uh there isn't a crosswalk um

[41:06] to the Alec Donald Park and then on over

[41:09] to Roberts. So you're it's just not

[41:12] super clear on where the safest path is

[41:15] for pedestrians at this moment in time.

[41:17] So there's some opportunities, I think,

[41:18] to improve and make things a lot clearer

[41:21] for folks so that cars know what to

[41:22] expect and pedestrians know how to get

[41:25] there. Um, we did some initial com uh

[41:28] concepts or discuss some initial

[41:30] comments in our last meeting which is

[41:32] leave it alone. Um, minor improvements,

[41:35] comprehensive redesign and a roundabout.

[41:38] was not popular. Um,

[41:41] comprehensive redesign was. So we moved

[41:43] forward with some different ideas on how

[41:45] to do a comprehensive redesign. These

[41:48] are not complete finalized concepts by

[41:50] any means. These are ideas that came out

[41:53] of discussions with all of you and we

[41:55] should beat them up tonight. And

[41:57] actually some of you have provided some

[41:59] really really constructive helpful

[42:00] comments in your emails already. So

[42:03] let's keep those going and and talk

[42:05] about them. So next slide.

[42:08] So the first one minor configuration and

[42:11] there's some optionality in this but one

[42:14] of the uh things that actually was very

[42:16] clear in the community outreach process

[42:18] was people were not real excited about

[42:20] the slip lane off of Mountain Home Road.

[42:22] And so as you get into that lane and

[42:24] make a right, you're still worried about

[42:26] traffic coming down Woodside Road. And

[42:28] so by making the right turn really only

[42:31] happened in one spot at where Mountain

[42:33] Home touches Woodside Road seemed like a

[42:36] kind of a consensus move and the folks

[42:39] that we talked to. So it also opens up a

[42:42] lot of land because we're taking all

[42:44] that square footage where the slip lane

[42:45] was and now we get to do things with it

[42:47] that are oriented for pedestrians

[42:49] um or public space. And so what we have

[42:52] here on the screen, this is kind of

[42:54] option one where we leave the center

[42:57] line of mountain home road alone. So

[43:00] traveling mountain home is the same as

[43:02] you are today, but on either side of it,

[43:05] we've clarified where the pedestrians

[43:08] belong and where the cars belong by

[43:10] creating well- definfined sidewalks.

[43:12] There is a loss of a couple parking

[43:14] spaces right in front of Robert's

[43:16] Grocery and we put them across the

[43:18] street and added one. But essentially,

[43:21] we've also added crosswalks that now

[43:23] connect um an expanded basically Alec

[43:27] Donald Park doubled in size from about

[43:29] 3,000 ft to 6,000 square ft. And we now

[43:33] have crosswalks that carry that

[43:35] pedestrian traffic along Woodside Road

[43:37] all the way to the corner of Robert's

[43:38] Grocery where they can then cross a

[43:41] Woodside Road over to Kinyatta Corners.

[43:44] So kind of a no-brainer super simple

[43:46] pedestrian path which is kind of what

[43:48] we're shooting for just to make it as

[43:50] easy as possible. And then if you look

[43:53] at where Mountain Home Road um engages

[43:57] the parking access for Gilbert's, we've

[43:59] created another crosswalk there just so

[44:02] there's a nice pedestrian loop. Uh cars

[44:04] are really slowing down and we've kind

[44:06] of suggested even maybe considering like

[44:09] a cobblestone or some kind of textured

[44:11] paving um where the parking is to really

[44:14] slow down the car movement in that zone.

[44:17] Um this is showing reversed backend

[44:20] parking. It could still be 90 degree.

[44:24] This was just an idea we wanted to run

[44:25] by folks and see if it made sense. This

[44:28] allows folks to open up the back of

[44:29] their car directly to the store and not

[44:32] take the cart out in the traffic. So, we

[44:34] thought there might be some advantages

[44:36] to that.

[44:38] Uh, yes.

[44:41] complaints are there

[44:42] >> for accident.

[44:44] >> How many complaints are there if any for

[44:48] accidents that would relate to all the

[44:51] things that you've just mentioned around

[44:52] the stores?

[44:53] >> So, in the community outreach process,

[44:56] people did convey that it is difficult

[44:58] as a pedestrian to get from one side of

[45:01] Woodside.

[45:01] >> No, I asked you, have there been any I

[45:03] should have been more clear, maybe. Has

[45:04] anybody ever been hurt or hit or

[45:06] whatever? Not that I

[45:08] >> I'll hand that to Sage. Uh,

[45:15] » hi, Melissa Cardelli, acting town

[45:17] manager. We asked the sheriff's office

[45:19] for some data for reported collisions

[45:22] for Woodside Road, Kinyatta Road, and

[45:24] Mountain Home Road uh between January

[45:26] 1st, 2024 to uh yesterday, April 20th,

[45:29] 2026. And

[45:34] there's 10 10 incidents.

[45:37] >> Melissa, can you be specific? Like is it

[45:40] around this the store itself?

[45:42] >> Uh I have street names here. So I have

[45:45] Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road. I have

[45:47] an address uh 750 Mountain Home Road. I

[45:50] have Kinyatta Road, Woodside Road.

[45:51] Mountain Home Road. Mountain Home Road

[45:54] at Cedar Lane.

[45:55] >> Save your Save your breath cuz I don't

[45:56] know. I mean, I'm talking about the

[45:58] store.

[45:59] >> Uh

[46:00] >> these would not tell me if it just says

[46:02] Woodside Road and Kinyatta Road. So it's

[46:04] just at the intersection.

[46:06] >> Well, that's quite a distance.

[46:08] I'm just trying to be specific about how

[46:11] dangerous that this is. I mean, you're

[46:14] talking about a store that's been there

[46:16] a long time. I haven't really heard of

[46:19] many accidents there where people and it may be wonky. Maybe they're getting

[46:23] out and people are putting thing, you

[46:25] know, packing them into their car as

[46:27] they get in.

[46:29] I I don't understand. And it see it

[46:31] seems um that we're just assuming a lot

[46:33] of things and then maybe you'd be making

[46:36] a hit on the store to change it around.

[46:38] >> Well, I think I think we're trying our

[46:40] best. It's not that we're we're

[46:42] responding to the community input that

[46:46] pedestrian circulation could be safer.

[46:50] And so that's

[46:50] >> What do you mean it could be safer?

[46:52] Everything could always be safer. When

[46:54] you walk out of here tonight, it's been

[46:56] raining. It could be safer if it didn't

[46:58] rain.

[46:59] >> Yeah.

[46:59] >> Okay. So, you have to watch out tonight

[47:01] everybody when you leave. We could go on

[47:03] and on and on about what's safer. But so

[47:07] far, we have a track history of

[47:10] we've lived here 60 years in this town.

[47:13] So, I'm just trying to think how many

[47:15] times have I heard of anybody getting

[47:17] hurt coming out of Roberts or coming out

[47:19] of our place or wherever. I

[47:21] >> I think it's a very fair discussion to

[47:23] have as to what level of comfort is

[47:26] appropriate and what the trade-offs are.

[47:30] Um,

[47:30] >> trade-offs. What's the trade-offs? Just

[47:32] changing everything downtown. Is that

[47:34] it?

[47:35] >> Uh, no. I mean, we can talk about

[47:37] trade-offs in very quantitative terms.

[47:40] You know, one is you pick up two

[47:42] crosswalks, you lose two parking spaces

[47:45] uh in front of the store. So, there's

[47:47] kind of a a quantitative way perspective

[47:49] to look at it there. um you know for 20

[47:53] years I worked in the world of retail

[47:56] and there's a customer perspective on it

[47:58] in terms of uh you know what's

[48:01] comfortable for um you know different

[48:04] people different size of groups uh

[48:06] people with strollers all things like

[48:09] that so there's there's a lot of

[48:10] thinking and and I just I'd love to hear

[48:13] I mean it's it's a it's a great

[48:16] discussion to have and that's why we're

[48:17] here tonight so yeah truly

[48:25] is on.

[48:26] >> Oh, I can't I couldn't see the red.

[48:28] Okay. Oh, there it is. It was hidden.

[48:30] Um,

[48:32] I walk in this intersection very

[48:34] frequently and I am a huge advocate of

[48:37] those pedestrian crosswalks personally,

[48:40] but just also watching kids do it and

[48:43] there's a game of Frogger going on right

[48:45] now. So, however we're going to approach

[48:48] this, I think those crosswalks are

[48:50] critical. Um,

[48:53] >> I also frequently drive in this small

[48:56] area between Mountain Home Road and

[48:58] Woodside Road and already the cars

[49:01] backing in backing out and the cars

[49:04] going on Woodside Road. It's It's pretty

[49:06] tricky. I really, while it looks elegant

[49:09] on the page, I can't imagine it

[49:11] happening from both sides. I think it

[49:13] would be quite problematic.

[49:15] Um, so I would raise that concern. And

[49:19] um, the park looks quite cute here. I'm

[49:22] not sure if it would actually be

[49:24] utilized very much with, you know,

[49:27] traffic on all three sides of it. So,

[49:31] um, I would mention that as well, but in

[49:33] terms of the crosswalks, I think those

[49:36] are amazing.

[49:37] >> Great. Uh Troy, let's um go through the

[49:40] next two images really quick and then we

[49:42] can go back to

[49:44] and I guess there's one option where we

[49:46] could go through all three options and

[49:48] then do comments or but what what do you

[49:52] prefer

[49:54] >> that? Okay. So we'll go through the

[49:56] we'll go through this fairly quickly

[49:57] then and then we'll come back and we can

[50:00] go over each option. Uh so this uh I

[50:04] modeled it uh in the computer and

[50:07] there's a lot of gray change on this

[50:09] site so we'd have to be really careful

[50:10] about that. But this shows Alec Donald

[50:14] Park expanded to about 6,000 square ft

[50:16] from what it is today which is about

[50:18] 3,000. Um so definitely addressing

[50:22] traffic noise is important. Buffering

[50:24] the movement creating a nice respit from

[50:27] all that intensity. I think I do think

[50:30] with a good landscape designer, it's

[50:31] entirely possible and there's precedent

[50:33] for something like that. Um, but let's

[50:36] go through the next two concepts. And

[50:38] the three concepts are meant to be

[50:39] really different to try and gather as

[50:42] much feedback from you as possible. This

[50:44] is the view kind of looking from the

[50:46] hill um towards the the park just to

[50:49] kind of give you an idea of the scale of

[50:50] it. So, it's quite a bit bigger. Um, so

[50:53] there's some opportunity for programming

[50:55] that you don't currently have for

[50:57] different kinds of seating environments,

[50:59] different kinds of vegetation and trees

[51:01] and things. Uh, one of the, you know,

[51:04] initial goals was let's create um an

[51:07] opportunity for public gathering space

[51:09] in the city. So it seemed getting rid of

[51:11] the slip lane and taking advantage of

[51:13] some of this this dirt was a an

[51:15] opportunity for that. Next slide.

[51:19] So this concept here also is somewhat

[51:22] meant to be very minimal in terms of the

[51:24] traffic center lines for the street

[51:26] alignments, keeping all of that roughly

[51:28] the same, but creating opportunities for

[51:31] better crosswalk and connectivity. And

[51:33] this one takes uh an approach where the

[51:37] parking that was in front of Robert's

[51:38] Grocery Grocery gets relocated to where

[51:42] Alec McDonald Park was. And then the

[51:44] Alec McDonald Park gets relocated to

[51:46] directly adjacent to the front entry of

[51:49] Robert's Grocery. So grabbing a

[51:52] sandwich, hanging out with friends,

[51:53] doing stuff like that, or coming from

[51:55] Kiana Quarters, just crossing the

[51:57] crosswalk, you've got a a nice little

[51:59] crossroads intersection there to to

[52:02] gather. This plaza is about 3,000 square

[52:05] ft. So it's almost a direct trade for

[52:07] your existing Alec Donald Park, which is

[52:10] 3,000 for this right next. It's um it is

[52:14] smaller than the previous concept and

[52:16] it'll smaller than the next concept. Um

[52:20] so this is just a quick sketch of of how

[52:22] that would kind of feel and scale. It's

[52:25] not it's not insignificant in size for a

[52:28] kind of a retail environment plaza.

[52:30] That's a not sometimes having something

[52:33] that's a little smaller can actually

[52:34] make it feel a little more bustling and

[52:35] vibrant. Um so that's kind of the

[52:38] concept there. Some of the challenges

[52:40] that were noted with this is now the

[52:42] carts are going across the street and

[52:44] that's kind of the big obvious one

[52:45] that's that's quite problematic. So, uh,

[52:49] next slide. And so this is a different

[52:52] view of that. Again, the the idea behind

[52:55] this scheme and the previous scheme was

[52:58] if we're not changing street alignments,

[53:00] maybe these are a little easier to

[53:02] implement. Um but the next one we tested

[53:05] that theory based on some concepts that

[53:08] Steve provided. Um and then Alta, our

[53:11] transportation consultant, took those

[53:14] ideas and you know kind of worked with

[53:16] some of the constraints that we

[53:17] revealed. And so this was a concept

[53:19] where Mountain Home Road actually curves

[53:22] and it basically imagining uh imagine

[53:25] widening the slip lane. So, we take the

[53:28] slip lane that's there, we widen it into

[53:30] a two-way street, and then align it with

[53:34] the uh Kinyatta uh lane intersection

[53:39] um in terms of creating one uh

[53:41] crosswalk, one, you know, simple

[53:43] intersection there. And then the

[53:45] interesting byproduct of this is you

[53:48] create this Alec Donald Plaza that's

[53:50] about 6,000 square ft. So, it's double

[53:52] the size of the previous one. And then

[53:55] you really tighten up the intersection

[53:57] where Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road

[53:59] come together. So now you've got just a

[54:01] very simple T intersection. Traffic

[54:04] movements are much simpler there. And

[54:06] the pedestrian crossing zone gets much

[54:08] smaller. So we were able to move the

[54:10] curb out and the area that says

[54:12] landscape um on the right side of

[54:14] Kinyatta Road is a substantial expansion

[54:17] of that that land area there. So there's

[54:20] some interesting opportunities in terms

[54:22] of people arriving at Kinyatta Road.

[54:24] there could be a really great signage

[54:25] moment at the park. Um the landscape

[54:28] area at the the other side of the

[54:30] street, they start to create a gateway

[54:32] on both sides of Woodside as you enter

[54:34] the uh the commercial core. And so let's

[54:38] go to the next slide.

[54:41] And so just so you kind of have an idea

[54:42] of how this feels in 3D, um this one

[54:46] here retains the pull-in parking. It's

[54:48] just not directly in front of the store.

[54:50] It's just off to the side. Um, it does

[54:53] introduce a se a second stop sign, a

[54:56] second intersection. So you'd have

[54:57] Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road and then

[55:00] you would have the Kinyatta Lane and

[55:02] Woodside Road intersections, both with

[55:04] stop signs.

[55:06] Uh, so this is also kind of working in

[55:08] conjunction with the idea that we're

[55:10] slowing down traffic on Woodside Road up

[55:12] to Whiskey Hill. So, and then that's the other view looking from Kin Kinyatta

[55:19] Road.

[55:20] So, these are the three options kind of

[55:24] next to each other. Um, concept one

[55:28] about 6,000 square feet. It's across the

[55:31] street. Uh, concept two, you've got the

[55:35] plaza heart up against the the Robert's

[55:38] Grocery, uh, but no changes to the

[55:40] street alignment. And then concept three

[55:42] is kind of a it's a major surgery where

[55:45] we reroute the road. Um, but we kind of

[55:48] revealed this opportunity for a large

[55:50] plaza directly adjacent to the grocery

[55:53] store and then also maintain the pool

[55:55] and parking.

[55:56] So,

[55:58] um, yes,

[55:59] >> when I'm looking at this, I can't stand

[56:02] it. By the way, I'm thinking about this

[56:05] is serving

[56:06] a lot of people that don't live here and

[56:10] you know we this is the people that live

[56:12] in Woodside and to think that there'd be

[56:14] a big park there with people throwing

[56:17] their paper down and you know their

[56:19] sandwich they didn't finish eating and

[56:20] all that to create something like that

[56:24] in the middle of town. You think that's

[56:26] a nice thing? I I I don't I just don't I

[56:30] think it's stupid. Sorry.

[56:32] >> Public

[56:32] >> I'm not sorry.

[56:33] >> Public open space does exist in a lot of

[56:36] towns

[56:38] and and but where I'm going with this is

[56:41] you're absolutely right. They require a

[56:43] lot of care and maintenance and

[56:45] attention. They're not free. Uh they

[56:48] require a yearly budget. You have to

[56:50] take care of them. And there's a lot of

[56:52] discussion about the um and the

[56:55] discussion is on both sides of the coin

[56:58] about what their value is to the

[56:59] community. and how they're used by both

[57:02] residents and non-residents and how they

[57:04] either generate or don't generate

[57:06] business for the properties and value

[57:08] for the properties that are near it. So,

[57:10] I think that's what we're here tonight

[57:12] is to kind of hear your thoughts on

[57:14] those ideas. Um, and you know, there's

[57:18] always option zero, which is leave it

[57:20] exactly the way it is. Um, so let's u

[57:24] keep talking. I'll stop talking. You

[57:25] keep talking.

[57:28] Yes, Carolyn.

[57:30] I would be in favor of concept one for

[57:34] two reasons. One is the expansion of the

[57:36] footprint of the park to 6,000 square

[57:39] feet, but also because it makes the or

[57:43] it's the only one that really separates

[57:45] the park from the market. And I think

[57:48] that in concepts two and three, while I

[57:50] like the idea of creating some sort of

[57:53] plaza that can be an extension of the

[57:56] market or or you know where you would go

[57:58] to potentially eat your sandwich, it

[58:00] would to me feel like it was kind of

[58:02] private property or it belongs to

[58:04] Roberts or it's maybe not as welcoming

[58:07] to others like do I have to purchase

[58:10] something in order to sit there? Um you

[58:13] know those kinds of questions that

[58:14] someone could ask themselves. And then

[58:16] being directly adjacent like in two and

[58:19] three, would Roberts then be somewhat

[58:22] not responsible for cleaning because we

[58:24] just heard what was said, but like maybe

[58:26] their staff looks around and they would

[58:28] feel compelled to do a little bit more

[58:29] maintenance than they otherwise would if

[58:31] there was the separation. Um, also with

[58:34] the larger footprint, some of the

[58:37] objectives the committee identified

[58:38] earlier like having that public

[58:40] gathering space, doing popups, a farmers

[58:43] market, that seems more conducive in

[58:46] concept one.

[58:47] >> Great. Thank you. Um, I'd like to I have

[58:50] a completely different attitude than

[58:53] both previous speakers. I think having

[58:55] the public space adjacent to the store

[58:58] is where people meet casually, coming

[59:00] and going. It's not I don't think this

[59:01] is the kind of public space where people

[59:03] go to for an intentional event unless

[59:05] it's a farmers market. But h I think it

[59:08] would be dead unless it was next to

[59:10] where people are walking anyway. So

[59:12] having it next to the store is way

[59:14] better. I think um and uh I think this

[59:18] is the kind of space we were looking for

[59:20] in in two and three. on on one and two.

[59:24] I'm worried that the configuration of

[59:27] the intersection is just as problematic

[59:31] as it is now practically. Um I think

[59:33] it's important to move traffic through

[59:35] this intersection more quickly and I

[59:37] think simplifying it as I don't know

[59:40] what Alta thinks about this but my

[59:42] impression is that there's a lot of

[59:44] confusion because the the intersection

[59:46] is so complicated and that simplifying

[59:48] it would move traffic through more

[59:50] quickly. And I don't care that much that

[59:53] people have to stop multiple times like

[59:56] I think they should on multiple

[59:57] crosswalks on the entire town center.

[1:00:01] It's if we get rid of the backup the big

[1:00:03] backup point which is here. I think it

[1:00:06] would reduce the the the through trip

[1:00:09] even if people are going slower on the

[1:00:11] way. I think that's what I'm hoping for.

[1:00:14] >> Great. Thank you Steve Richard.

[1:00:17] >> So two comments. So one is I would argue

[1:00:19] here you have the biggest pallet

[1:00:22] available to the town given the right

[1:00:25] ofways. So I see a value in when we

[1:00:29] perhaps get a little bit further in

[1:00:31] delineating that property line between

[1:00:33] private and public here. It's a little

[1:00:36] bit surprising because as I said in the

[1:00:39] email that I sent out today, the one

[1:00:41] that made it into the desk items, this

[1:00:44] is a very unusual intersection with the

[1:00:48] town's property going through nearly all

[1:00:51] of Robert's. So you have this huge,

[1:00:55] relatively speaking, amount of land on

[1:00:57] which to work. And so it gives you the

[1:01:01] opportunity to control the concepts more

[1:01:04] so than almost anywhere else. So that's

[1:01:06] one comment. Second is we've heard

[1:01:08] there's a constraint on finances.

[1:01:11] There's a fair bit of improvement work

[1:01:14] here. Who pays for that? I I don't think

[1:01:16] given how long I've been here, the town

[1:01:19] is going to pay for this. This has got

[1:01:20] to be privately funded. Is it funded by

[1:01:23] Roberts or is it funded by Roberts and

[1:01:26] private citizens who live here? I'm not

[1:01:29] sure either of those concepts will work

[1:01:32] here. So I think that tends to favor

[1:01:35] something like concept one despite the

[1:01:38] logic Steve laid out. So my gut feel is

[1:01:43] you're not going to find private

[1:01:45] citizens who will fund this. So and

[1:01:47] you're not going to get Roberts to fund

[1:01:49] it. So that's my gut.

[1:01:51] >> Great. Thank you, Richard Assan.

[1:01:54] >> Uh yeah, so I'm going to echo out

[1:01:56] various people. Um, I think I agree with

[1:01:57] Caroline separating the public space

[1:02:00] from the store. While Steve's

[1:02:02] functionally correct, I think from a

[1:02:03] welcoming standpoint, it's more this is

[1:02:05] a public space. It doesn't just like the

[1:02:07] confusion with the roadside trails, you

[1:02:09] have to have some separation or signs to

[1:02:11] demonstrate to people where they should

[1:02:12] and should not be and where they're

[1:02:13] allowed to be. So that's so for me that

[1:02:15] number one's the only one that does

[1:02:16] that. Um, I more crosswalks is fantastic

[1:02:20] and I think in my opinion I agree with

[1:02:23] Steve in the sense that when you want to

[1:02:24] get traffic through here quickly because

[1:02:26] you know it's one thing on a weekday

[1:02:27] school drop off whatever but weekends

[1:02:29] everyone who's been here sunny Saturday

[1:02:31] or Sunday in June and it's back to the

[1:02:34] highway across the highway or the other

[1:02:37] way up back there you know to the the

[1:02:39] bottom of the hill. So making this as

[1:02:42] much as we want to make safe spaces

[1:02:44] pedestrians, bicyclists etc. We need to

[1:02:46] acknowledge the reality that the cars

[1:02:49] are the predominant form of

[1:02:50] transportation here. That most of them

[1:02:52] probably aren't from Woodside and we

[1:02:54] can't put a gate up on 84 and keep them

[1:02:56] out. So unless somebody wants to pose

[1:02:58] that, go ahead. Um and so we have to

[1:03:00] accommodate that to make it faster

[1:03:02] because none of us want to be stuck. Oh

[1:03:04] crap, it's stuck. It's taking me 45

[1:03:05] minutes to go home and it should take me

[1:03:07] five. Um I think keeping the slip lane

[1:03:08] on Kinyatta is extremely important. um

[1:03:11] you have the island so pedestrians have

[1:03:12] a safe space to kind of get to and then

[1:03:14] have two short crosswalks. Um I know in

[1:03:16] the mornings to school drop off there

[1:03:17] has to be I don't know a quarter of the

[1:03:19] kids probably live in that direction and

[1:03:21] are getting driven to school. So I think

[1:03:22] again you want to keep that slip lane.

[1:03:24] Um and again in the evenings right

[1:03:27] people are coming using as a cut

[1:03:28] through. So we want to keep it quick but

[1:03:30] safe for cars. I'm a supporter of one

[1:03:32] myself. Um and I will add one more. We

[1:03:35] have to be very cautious with the spots

[1:03:37] at the corner as they're laid out

[1:03:39] currently. I think they're fundamentally

[1:03:40] deficient because they block sight

[1:03:42] lines, especially if you have a truck

[1:03:43] there, you cannot see around it. So, the

[1:03:45] number of spots that are should be taken

[1:03:46] out of the corner needs to be studied

[1:03:48] and kind of logically laid out. Thank

[1:03:50] you.

[1:03:50] >> Great. Thank you.

[1:03:53] >> Yes, Lyall.

[1:03:53] >> I wanted to echo what Ean had just

[1:03:56] mentioned. Um what any solution needs to

[1:04:00] address the fact that from going

[1:04:03] eastbound on Woodside Road and looking

[1:04:06] towards the stop line um going north on

[1:04:09] Mountain Home Road there is no direct

[1:04:11] line of sight and any solution has to

[1:04:13] solve that and unfortunately it does not

[1:04:16] look like concept 2 um addresses that.

[1:04:20] Um, getting rid of the slip lane from

[1:04:23] Mountain Home onto Woodside Road is an

[1:04:26] interesting idea. Um, as a practical

[1:04:29] matter, I understand where Leanne's

[1:04:31] coming from, but right now, every day at

[1:04:34] lunchtime and especially on the

[1:04:36] weekends, there are a bunch of bikers

[1:04:39] that are out there on the park, which is

[1:04:42] essentially a traffic island, and

[1:04:44] they're eating their sandwiches, and

[1:04:46] they're probably leaving litter. and

[1:04:48] whether we do nothing or do any of the

[1:04:50] three concepts that is still going to be

[1:04:52] happening.

[1:04:53] >> Um the one technical point uh you would

[1:04:56] have to think about is if you get rid of

[1:04:58] the slip lane off of Mountain Home Road,

[1:05:01] you would need to radius the turn at the

[1:05:05] four-way stop so that a semi-tra coming

[1:05:07] out of Roberts from the back can get on

[1:05:10] to Woodside Road and get back to the

[1:05:11] freeway.

[1:05:12] >> Yeah, definitely.

[1:05:15] Great. Dan,

[1:05:16] >> so one of the top things I heard from

[1:05:19] our residents, you know, kind of east of um 280 is that this idea of

[1:05:25] public spaces is really important to

[1:05:26] them so they can come to town and have a

[1:05:28] space to hang out and if they buy a

[1:05:30] sandwich at Roberts, a place to sit and

[1:05:32] eat. So that that makes me gravitate

[1:05:34] towards the one and three and I

[1:05:35] understand the arguments on both sides.

[1:05:37] The the primary for me is this idea of

[1:05:39] having public space in downtown Woods

[1:05:41] that I think is really important. I like

[1:05:43] that little parklet that you have in

[1:05:45] concept 3 across the street.

[1:05:47] >> The idea that you could have some you

[1:05:48] could even have some public art in that

[1:05:50] as a gateway into the town. I think it'

[1:05:52] be beautiful. Um Christine didn't make

[1:05:54] it tonight, but I think there's an

[1:05:55] opportunity or have a discussion with

[1:05:57] her aunt Leanne who are their two

[1:05:58] property owners there about what do they

[1:06:01] think because it's um for example, one

[1:06:04] of the big things that's missing in

[1:06:05] downtown is a bathroom. There's no

[1:06:07] restroom. There used to be one at

[1:06:08] Roberts. I think it's no longer open.

[1:06:10] So, you know, is there some deal to be

[1:06:13] done here with, hey, let's have the town

[1:06:14] provide this large patio and Christine,

[1:06:17] are you willing to keep it clean and

[1:06:18] provide a restroom in return? She may

[1:06:20] say, no, absolutely not. I don't know.

[1:06:22] But is there some I think you need to

[1:06:24] have a public private discussion like

[1:06:26] that that might guide how do you get

[1:06:28] funding and how do you keep it clean and

[1:06:29] all that? And same thing with Leanne.

[1:06:31] You know, we don't want to we they need

[1:06:33] to decide they want to do this. Yep.

[1:06:35] >> Right. So,

[1:06:36] >> don't even put me in there, but um

[1:06:38] Christine and I are pretty close.

[1:06:40] >> Yeah, totally.

[1:06:42] >> I don't know if she sees this better

[1:06:43] like this. Does this bring a lot more

[1:06:45] people to the store?

[1:06:48] >> Right now, it's it's a it's I just don't

[1:06:52] think it belongs here. I think there's

[1:06:54] other places that we have such a

[1:06:55] beautiful town and so many beautiful

[1:06:57] places could get a little more

[1:07:01] rather than sticking it in front of a

[1:07:02] grocery store. No. Is there like a

[1:07:05] peaceful place?

[1:07:06] >> Is there is there is there a place you

[1:07:08] do you have something in mind? Like do

[1:07:10] you have something in mind that's a

[1:07:11] place downtown where people could

[1:07:13] gather?

[1:07:15] >> No.

[1:07:23] it's okay. Thank you. Um my husband

[1:07:27] would love that if he never could hear

[1:07:28] me. Um he's sitting right there. Aha,

[1:07:31] Bill. I'm bringing this home and now

[1:07:33] you're really going to hear it.

[1:07:36] >> Um, so what did you just ask me about,

[1:07:38] Christine?

[1:07:39] >> I No, I just asked if you had some other

[1:07:41] if you like the idea. You may not like

[1:07:43] the idea of a public gathering place

[1:07:45] somewhere downtown. Um,

[1:07:46] >> well, I love I think public gatherings

[1:07:48] are great, but I was going to say, thank

[1:07:50] you just reminded me. I thought across

[1:07:52] the street it kind of goes on in the

[1:07:54] middle of the place there. It's really

[1:07:55] kind of cool. Everybody's out there and

[1:07:57] they're safe off the street and there's

[1:08:01] garbage cans there to get rid of your

[1:08:03] stuff and you're buying things in the

[1:08:06] store. Hers I guess it's her it's

[1:08:07] Christine's place and the and the um I

[1:08:10] forget the name of our dear friends on

[1:08:12] the corner that own the uh food place.

[1:08:16] But um I I just think it's idiotic. I

[1:08:19] can't stand looking at this. Sorry. just

[1:08:22] don't seems too um like you're in

[1:08:25] another state or another country or

[1:08:27] something.

[1:08:30] Julia.

[1:08:32] >> Um I really do value the public space,

[1:08:36] but in thinking of what our primary goal

[1:08:39] is um and acting on behalf of our

[1:08:42] neighbors and the other residents of

[1:08:44] Woodside,

[1:08:46] I think the most important thing to them

[1:08:48] to Assan's point is moving quickly

[1:08:50] through this intersection. And the

[1:08:53] biggest frustration is when we are stuck

[1:08:55] at this intersection. And unfortunately,

[1:08:58] I think all three of these concepts will

[1:09:00] make it worse. Not having the slip lanes

[1:09:03] is going to be a problem. Having cars

[1:09:05] backing in, um, I can't envision that

[1:09:08] any of them would make it faster. I know

[1:09:11] that we said no to a roundabout. Given

[1:09:14] the choice between these three and a

[1:09:16] roundabout, I'm wondering if many people

[1:09:19] would actually say roundabout might be

[1:09:21] better. Um, and given the choice between

[1:09:24] the three of them and status quo, I'm

[1:09:26] not speaking for myself necessarily, but

[1:09:29] I do think there might be a strong

[1:09:30] support even of status quo because while

[1:09:34] I do value this land um in these public

[1:09:37] spaces, I think it would be to the

[1:09:39] detriment of quick moving traffic. Um,

[1:09:42] and last point, I think there was an

[1:09:44] area where we approved a gazebo or

[1:09:46] something. I don't know exactly where

[1:09:48] that is, but I think it's behind here or

[1:09:50] something. Maybe that would be a close

[1:09:52] but not um impacting traffic place to

[1:09:56] have uh public space.

[1:09:58] >> Great.

[1:10:01] >> Yes, Sue.

[1:10:03] >> I think one and two have not solved the

[1:10:05] problem of what Lyall mentioned, the car

[1:10:08] in front of Roberts going eastbound on

[1:10:11] Woodside Road at the Mountain Home. More

[1:10:14] so than not, I think people double dip.

[1:10:16] They go two at a time there. while the

[1:10:18] other three lanes are deciding who's

[1:10:19] going to go next. They're just shooting

[1:10:21] through there. So, we really need to

[1:10:23] solve better uh visibility there. Um

[1:10:28] con concept two may work, but you would

[1:10:31] need to I think bevel or cut off that

[1:10:35] you've made the problem worse. I think

[1:10:37] concept 3 is neat, but I don't mind the

[1:10:40] slip lane at all. But then my question

[1:10:42] would be if we're now going to have to

[1:10:45] stop twice. I I must go two, four, six

[1:10:48] times a day through this intersection

[1:10:50] and now I'm going to stop in Kenyatta.

[1:10:52] I'm going to turn left on Woodside Road.

[1:10:55] I'm going to go a couple of cars.

[1:10:56] Hopefully there's no backup and stop

[1:10:58] again. So I'm not going to like that. So

[1:11:02] is the So tell me about that

[1:11:05] intersection at Kenyatta Lane. When I

[1:11:08] come off of Kenyatta Lane, am I only

[1:11:10] allowed to turn right or now? Is that

[1:11:12] going to be a two-way road? So, if I'm

[1:11:14] coming through Mountain Home Road, can I

[1:11:16] go through that intersection onto

[1:11:17] Kenyatta Lane? Maybe not. And if I'm

[1:11:22] coming down Kenyatta Lane, can I also

[1:11:24] then turn left onto Woodside Road? So,

[1:11:29] if I can turn left onto Woodside Road,

[1:11:33] being a resident, I know the cut

[1:11:34] through. I'm going to go down Laquesta

[1:11:36] to or turn left on Laqua right on

[1:11:39] Kenyatta Lane and bypass the Kenyatta

[1:11:43] Woodside Road altogether. So you're

[1:11:46] going to add more traffic on Kenyatta

[1:11:48] Lane if you do that. So I do not like

[1:11:52] the idea of stopping twice through that

[1:11:54] intersection. That's just my opinion.

[1:11:57] Thank you.

[1:11:58] >> Thank you, Sue.

[1:12:01] Any other comments? I was gonna thank

[1:12:04] you Sue for mentioning that. I think two

[1:12:05] stop signs and that much that close

[1:12:07] proximity again with the weekend traffic

[1:12:09] and whatnot will just potentially become

[1:12:12] an even bigger disaster which then

[1:12:13] defeats the purpose of getting people

[1:12:14] through there quickly. That's just my

[1:12:16] guess. Traffic engineer should confirm

[1:12:17] that.

[1:12:18] >> Great. Thank you, Richard.

[1:12:21] >> Uh so say it's concept zero leaving it

[1:12:24] at status quo. Are there changes given

[1:12:27] the town's fee title ownership changes

[1:12:29] that can be made to the parking at

[1:12:31] Roberts by the town?

[1:12:36] Jean, uh,

[1:12:39] that might be a question for you is

[1:12:41] basically does this town have any

[1:12:44] jurisdiction to take the dangerous

[1:12:47] parking spaces at the corner of Robert's

[1:12:50] being that they might be or they are in

[1:12:52] the public rightway and make that a

[1:12:55] safer intersection.

[1:12:58] >> I'll start to answer and then I can

[1:12:59] defer to Lewis if he has anything to

[1:13:01] add. My understanding is that's public

[1:13:03] rightway. It's it's not owned in fee

[1:13:05] titled by the town. It's it's public

[1:13:06] right away and controlled by Calrans is

[1:13:08] my understanding.

[1:13:12] » And I echo that. I don't think I have

[1:13:13] any more to add. It is a public right

[1:13:15] away and um it is currently just being

[1:13:18] controlled by uh CALR.

[1:13:23] » So a followup, where does Calrans stop

[1:13:26] then on Mountain Home Road and where

[1:13:28] does the towns right away begin?

[1:13:32] Again,

[1:13:35] my understanding is that's all Calrans

[1:13:37] right of way.

[1:13:39] >> Your question is how essentially how

[1:13:41] wide is the CALR right ofway and how far

[1:13:43] down Mount home does it extend.

[1:13:44] >> Yeah,

[1:13:45] >> we sitting here tonight we can't answer

[1:13:47] that question, but we we can follow up

[1:13:48] and see um what we can figure out about

[1:13:50] that so we can give you specific

[1:13:52] measurements.

[1:13:52] >> Yeah. So my general thought is the town

[1:13:55] may have e title ownership to quite a

[1:13:58] bit or all of the land underneath those

[1:14:01] parking stalls. And doesn't that give

[1:14:04] perhaps leverage to the town with

[1:14:07] Roberts to perhaps convince Roberts that

[1:14:10] hey making a change or changes here to

[1:14:13] these parking stalls that are at times

[1:14:17] unsafe

[1:14:19] um may be wise and warranted. So again,

[1:14:22] I'm back on status quo, but maybe

[1:14:24] there's a tweak or a change that

[1:14:26] increases safety at very little cost, no

[1:14:30] cost to the town. Perhaps

[1:14:36] » one of the considerations in this

[1:14:37] concept zero, which we could add, is uh

[1:14:41] in concept one, you can actually leave

[1:14:44] the parking adjacent to Roberts as it

[1:14:46] is. you know, that's the existing street

[1:14:48] right away and you don't have to add the

[1:14:50] parking on the park, though it might

[1:14:53] serve folks that want to spend time in

[1:14:55] the park. The really qu the the big

[1:14:58] question mark I'd like to hear back from

[1:15:00] all of you on is is it important to have

[1:15:02] a crosswalk going from the corner of of

[1:15:07] um Alec Donald Park along Woodside over

[1:15:10] to um uh the crosswalk that leads to

[1:15:14] Kinyatta Corners across going across

[1:15:16] Mountain Home. Troy, do you want to just

[1:15:19] drag the cursor on it? So because this

[1:15:22] is where right now we've taken out, you

[1:15:25] know, a parking space to open up

[1:15:27] visibility and it also allows a

[1:15:30] crosswalk to come across there. And so

[1:15:33] that, you know, at a minimum you could

[1:15:35] leave the slip lane uh you know going uh uh making a right on the

[1:15:41] woodside. This one already still has the

[1:15:44] slip lane going on the Kinyatta. You

[1:15:46] could have the 30,000 square foot A

[1:15:49] park, but you could have a crosswalk

[1:15:52] that gets people along that frontage and

[1:15:55] then do a proper cross crosswalk at the

[1:15:57] slip lane for pedestrians so that

[1:16:00] there's clear pedestrian path from uh

[1:16:03] along Woodside Road. And that might be

[1:16:05] an option zero. Um, an alternate to

[1:16:09] option zero would be to take concept

[1:16:12] one, return the parking more status quo

[1:16:16] on Roberts, um, but lose the slip lane,

[1:16:20] lose the one slip lane. So, that would

[1:16:22] be another option.

[1:16:27] So, let's go to the next slide.

[1:16:31] So, uh, we've covered the first bullet.

[1:16:34] Um, show of hands. Uh which concept do

[1:16:38] you support? No change.

[1:16:40] >> Maybe we can say that option zero is

[1:16:42] >> option zero.

[1:16:43] >> Minimal. You know we were talking about

[1:16:45] >> it's not nothing but it's maybe the

[1:16:47] minimal possible change. Let's say

[1:16:49] that's the first option.

[1:16:51] >> Okay. So we could go no change option

[1:16:53] zero concept and then option one, two,

[1:16:55] and three. How's that? All right. So

[1:16:58] we'll start with Oh, go ahead, Carly.

[1:17:00] >> You have a question about option zero.

[1:17:04] Um,

[1:17:05] has the intersection been studied

[1:17:09] with the flow of traffic? And have they

[1:17:14] looked at how you could make it safer?

[1:17:18] Cuz I mean, I've probably gone through

[1:17:20] that intersection a billion times. My

[1:17:24] commute is the school to Glenwood. And I

[1:17:28] mean,

[1:17:28] >> so these three concepts were run through

[1:17:31] our transportation consultant, Alta.

[1:17:34] And the third option was actually kind

[1:17:37] of entirely their authorship and their

[1:17:40] aim was to increase pedestrian crossing

[1:17:44] to its safest condition possible was to

[1:17:47] bring out um to bring Kinata road in

[1:17:50] more to 90° angle so you don't have that

[1:17:53] obtuse uh angle there. So bring it in at

[1:17:56] a 90, tighten the pedestrian crossing as

[1:17:59] much as possible and then uh separate

[1:18:03] Mountain Home from the Kinyatta

[1:18:04] intersection so that the Mountain Home

[1:18:07] traffic which is less than the Kinyatta

[1:18:10] road traffic does not impact that

[1:18:13] Woodside Kinyatta flow. So that was kind

[1:18:16] of their concept on option three to

[1:18:19] smooth the transportation flow of cars

[1:18:22] through that area. So there was um you

[1:18:25] know so that that was kind of the idea

[1:18:27] but all three of these were run through

[1:18:29] Alta and um you know the first option

[1:18:33] really did not have much impact you know

[1:18:36] deleting the slip lane there's still um

[1:18:39] there's visibility issues with the ex

[1:18:41] the slip lane as it is today both for

[1:18:43] pedestrian conflict and for vehicle

[1:18:45] conflict because it's hard to see

[1:18:47] oncoming traffic. Um so they felt like

[1:18:51] the um option one was kind of you know

[1:18:55] not a lot even though you lose the slip

[1:18:56] lane there's not a major impact on the

[1:18:58] traffic flow. Um concept two same thing

[1:19:01] they're they they move the same for the

[1:19:03] cars. And then option three was they

[1:19:06] felt that the traffic flow at Kenyatta

[1:19:09] and Woodside would be much better

[1:19:11] offsetting the impacts at the Kinyatta

[1:19:14] Lane uh mountain home intersection. I'd

[1:19:17] be curious to see what the Mountain Home

[1:19:20] residents how they would feel taking

[1:19:22] that slip lane away. I'm sure that it

[1:19:26] keeps the flow of traffic going from

[1:19:30] that street to Kenyatta going, right? Um

[1:19:36] I several times a week people are

[1:19:39] blowing through that intersection, not

[1:19:41] stopping at the stop signs and it's even

[1:19:43] worse on the weekends because it's out

[1:19:45] oftowners. It's not people that are

[1:19:47] aware of

[1:19:48] >> Yeah.

[1:19:49] >> the 10-way stop or however many people

[1:19:52] are stopping at the same time. Um, and

[1:19:56] Glenn would too, like Glennwood and

[1:19:57] Kinata. People are, my husband has

[1:20:01] multiple clips of people nearly t-boning

[1:20:05] him or other cars that are coming onto

[1:20:09] Kenyattas. So, it's just the amount of

[1:20:11] traffic that is increasing due to

[1:20:16] Google ways,

[1:20:18] traffic on the the freeways. It's

[1:20:22] I I appreciate all of these concepts and

[1:20:25] thank you for taking the time to make

[1:20:27] them. But living in this town and going

[1:20:30] through that intersection every day, all

[1:20:32] day,

[1:20:33] >> 20 times a day,

[1:20:36] I feel like personally, in my opinion,

[1:20:40] just

[1:20:42] concept zero, but making it safer,

[1:20:45] whatever little adjustments you need to

[1:20:47] make so people have better visibility or

[1:20:50] however,

[1:20:52] I don't know, that's I feel like would

[1:20:55] be hit. Steve

[1:20:57] >> on concept three had you show a stop

[1:21:00] sign eastbound on Woodside Road. Is that

[1:21:03] necessary? It seems like it's awfully

[1:21:05] close to the intersection whereas the

[1:21:07] other direction it doesn't seems like

[1:21:09] you could not have

[1:21:11] >> Can you go back to the plan for three

[1:21:13] that has all the stop stuff on it?

[1:21:17] >> So your question Steve is is the stop

[1:21:20] sign necessary at where Mountain Home

[1:21:23] touches Woodside?

[1:21:25] >> Exactly. the eastbound on Woodside Road.

[1:21:27] Is that stop sign necessary? Since it's

[1:21:29] so close to the intersection,

[1:21:31] seems like you have a short a short

[1:21:33] stacking distance there back to Kinyatta

[1:21:35] Road. Eliminating it wouldn't make it a

[1:21:38] lot more dangerous.

[1:21:40] >> Well, then I don't know how you'd get

[1:21:42] out of Mountain Home Road, right? You'd

[1:21:43] have to wait. You'd have to wait.

[1:21:45] >> You have to wait for a gap that's caused

[1:21:47] by people taking turns at the

[1:21:48] intersection, which is close by.

[1:21:51] >> Uh that's an interesting idea, actually.

[1:21:54] um that could be looked at, but I think

[1:21:56] that and Sue raised it too, the the

[1:21:59] movements of people on Kenyatta Lane

[1:22:02] would not be something we'd want to

[1:22:03] encourage with this a concept. So, if

[1:22:06] this were concept move forward, I think

[1:22:08] we would want to certainly we have there

[1:22:11] we have like a left or a left and right

[1:22:13] only from Mountain Home. So, you can't

[1:22:15] cut through Kinata Lane, but you might

[1:22:17] have to do that the other end as well.

[1:22:18] So, so hope folks wouldn't cut down

[1:22:20] Kenyatta and then take the left out. So,

[1:22:23] I think this could use a little

[1:22:25] refinement, but um there is a scenario

[1:22:29] where I could see no stop sign, I guess,

[1:22:30] on wood side, but um that would again be

[1:22:33] a trade-off, I think, of of throughput

[1:22:35] versus

[1:22:37] connectivity.

[1:22:40] » Great.

[1:22:40] >> Yeah, we got some more.

[1:22:42] >> Uh actually, let's hear from Steve

[1:22:44] Patrick.

[1:22:47] Yeah, I think everybody's comments

[1:22:49] really terrific and it's certainly

[1:22:52] changed my thought about which way to

[1:22:55] look at anything. It's probably coming

[1:22:56] in here. I thought option three seemed

[1:22:58] pretty good, but option three seems like

[1:23:00] it'd be a nightmare for people coming

[1:23:02] off Mountain Home Road wanting to do

[1:23:03] Kinata Road and then I think looking at

[1:23:07] option one uh the diagonal back in

[1:23:10] parking, somebody comes out of those

[1:23:11] parking spaces, how are they going to

[1:23:13] actually go back out Kinata Road? I

[1:23:15] mean, other unless you're going down it

[1:23:18] that the diagonal parking doesn't I

[1:23:21] think kind of work. I think probably

[1:23:24] looking at all these options I

[1:23:27] definitely think option three is really

[1:23:29] nice. It creates a nice park, a nice

[1:23:30] plaza, people hang out, but now we

[1:23:32] haven't addressed kind of the thing that

[1:23:34] drove probably this whole thing. We're

[1:23:36] not increasing any parking. So now we're

[1:23:39] going to get

[1:23:41] 20 30 people. Now I love people coming

[1:23:43] in here from out of town. I mean, we

[1:23:45] live in a wonderful place and it's our

[1:23:47] duty to kind of make it

[1:23:50] >> you know for everybody in the community,

[1:23:52] not just woodsiders. However, where are

[1:23:55] these people going to park? I mean,

[1:23:57] >> we we haven't done anything to address

[1:23:59] that, right?

[1:24:00] >> So, probably looking back, probably a

[1:24:03] modification or option zero makes most

[1:24:05] sense. Make the intersection safer.

[1:24:08] Maybe get rid of the slip lane coming

[1:24:09] off Mountain Home Road to expand the

[1:24:11] potential of um you know getting some

[1:24:14] more space.

[1:24:16] >> Um yeah, concept one uh so that that

[1:24:20] right turn can be made you know by a

[1:24:23] truck. So if you get rid of the slip

[1:24:24] lane I think somebody brought up you

[1:24:25] need to bring semis come out of back of

[1:24:28] Roberts they'd never be able to make

[1:24:30] that Uturn um unless they you know

[1:24:33] >> rub up against the north side of

[1:24:35] Woodside Road. We can definitely we have

[1:24:38] the software for the truck movements and

[1:24:40] I think I've shown like a 30 foot radius

[1:24:42] but what you're asking is really

[1:24:44] interesting the parking impact of an

[1:24:47] attraction itself the the square

[1:24:50] >> you know the uh so what's interesting is

[1:24:53] if we took this concept here um and

[1:24:56] returned the 90°ree pool in parking

[1:24:59] which there's plenty of room to do that

[1:25:00] in front of Robert's um the parking

[1:25:03] across the street could serve the park

[1:25:06] and that's on public property,

[1:25:08] >> right? So get if you I don't want to say

[1:25:10] get rid of but if the slip lane

[1:25:12] disappears maybe that would give the

[1:25:15] opportunity to have basically 90°

[1:25:17] parking on both ways. the 90 degree

[1:25:19] fireground both ways and the seems that

[1:25:22] the crosswalk coming from Kinyatta Road

[1:25:26] side to the Robert side if it even was

[1:25:29] pushed further east I guess so that the

[1:25:33] cars actually stop closer to the

[1:25:35] intersection of where uh Mountain Home

[1:25:38] Road intersects

[1:25:41] it kind of gets rid of a little bit of

[1:25:42] the blind spot so they're pulling up

[1:25:45] much further kind of where the mailbox

[1:25:47] is the mailbox still So you pull up. So

[1:25:50] the uh that crosswalk coming from the

[1:25:52] island at Kenyatta Road and Woodside

[1:25:54] Road kind of intersects much further

[1:25:57] east so that the cars actually stop

[1:25:59] further east. So when they look to the

[1:26:01] right, they're actually looking down um

[1:26:05] Mountain Home Road rather than a you

[1:26:08] know a cars with a blind spot.

[1:26:12] Um yeah. So yeah, that crosswalk there.

[1:26:14] Yeah, move that to there. I do think

[1:26:17] it's important to have the crosswalk on

[1:26:19] the south side of Woodside Road. I don't

[1:26:22] know who I think people can walk around

[1:26:25] to get up. They don't need a crosswalk

[1:26:28] necessarily from uh the Alex Mandala

[1:26:31] Park corner straight across. I mean, it

[1:26:32] doesn't get you anywhere. It gets you to

[1:26:34] the, you know, the baby Jesus thing.

[1:26:36] It's just not it gets you nowhere. So,

[1:26:40] Steve, the the the really neat thought

[1:26:43] that you're sharing here is taking that

[1:26:45] crosswalk over to Kinyatta Corners and

[1:26:48] shifting that to the right, you know, so

[1:26:50] that that car now where the S is is not

[1:26:54] that one, the to the left. Troy, like if

[1:26:57] we're stopping that car

[1:27:00] >> further. Yeah. Like right there and that

[1:27:02] crosswalk comes down. That's a huge

[1:27:05] improvement. That's a really beautiful

[1:27:08] idea. I like that a lot. Um, and then

[1:27:12] >> that wasn't my idea. That was Steve

[1:27:14] Patrick's idea. We'll call it the

[1:27:16] memorial the Steve Patrick crosswalk.

[1:27:20] Anyhow, um, but yeah. No, I think what

[1:27:23] we need to do is go back. We need to

[1:27:25] create an option zero that restores the

[1:27:28] 90°ree parking in front of Roberts. Um,

[1:27:32] but creating a safe zone for a crosswalk

[1:27:35] and then rethinking the position of that

[1:27:37] crosswalk that goes over to Kinyata

[1:27:39] Corner so that the cars are coming a lot

[1:27:42] further into that mountain home view

[1:27:44] corridor. That would be really cool.

[1:27:47] Yeah.

[1:27:48] >> And do we really need to have two

[1:27:50] crosswalks there? If we only had the one

[1:27:52] crosswalk, it might enable us to push

[1:27:54] the cars further off the road.

[1:27:57] >> You mean uh

[1:27:58] >> like going through the park? We've got

[1:28:00] one on Woodside Road and then we've got

[1:28:02] one underneath the word Alec Donald

[1:28:04] Park. We've got two crosswalks.

[1:28:08] >> Oh. Uh the lower and the

[1:28:12] >> Oh, the two crosswalks connecting to

[1:28:14] Roberts. I see. The lower one. Um I

[1:28:16] think we need the upper one. Uh because

[1:28:18] that's going to be the primary path of

[1:28:20] traffic to Kinata Corner.

[1:28:22] >> Agreed.

[1:28:22] >> But the lower one is definitely

[1:28:24] optional. Um,

[1:28:27] and that would give back one more

[1:28:29] parking space.

[1:28:30] >> I think the lower one is used quite by

[1:28:33] town staff walking to the store.

[1:28:35] >> Well, and actually, so we do have a

[1:28:38] couple more things to talk about. Um,

[1:28:40] and what's interesting is these concepts

[1:28:42] can work together. And so the the shared

[1:28:45] street concept that we're going to cover

[1:28:47] in the next section which um Richard

[1:28:50] kind of turned us on to uh which is a

[1:28:52] really interesting concept could work

[1:28:54] really well with the lower crosswalk. So

[1:28:57] I think there's a a process where we're

[1:29:00] going to go through a lot more steps

[1:29:01] about which ideas, you know, survive the

[1:29:05] next stage. And then as we see which

[1:29:08] ideas survive for each area, we're going

[1:29:11] to look for those pieces because this is

[1:29:13] we can pull ideas from other schemes

[1:29:15] that don't get picked and start matching

[1:29:18] the successful components to the overall

[1:29:20] vision. And so if we do end up looking

[1:29:23] at that shared street concept um that

[1:29:25] lower crosswalk might be relevant.

[1:29:28] >> Okay. So we'll go to the next se

[1:29:30] section.

[1:29:30] >> Quick quick vote.

[1:29:32] >> Oh

[1:29:32] >> yeah. So any merit in not taking a vote

[1:29:36] but instead directing good city company

[1:29:39] and urban field design to go back and

[1:29:41] tweak concepts zero and one and then

[1:29:46] present those two concepts to the CAC to

[1:29:50] the group ask for a quick vote back. um

[1:29:54] allowing you all to go to the town

[1:29:57] perhaps with updates on those two

[1:30:00] concepts together with perhaps concept

[1:30:03] two and three and the vote.

[1:30:06] >> Sure. Yeah, we could uh we don't need to

[1:30:08] make a movement here, a motion here or

[1:30:10] anything, but I think it sounds like the

[1:30:12] general agreement is for us to create a

[1:30:14] concept zero plus

[1:30:18] that does the littlest possible to

[1:30:21] enhance safety, I think is what I'm

[1:30:22] hearing. Um, but we'll keep some of

[1:30:25] these other ideas alive to show to

[1:30:26] council that we've had the discussion,

[1:30:28] but I think the group here uh is

[1:30:31] expressing a support for a new option

[1:30:33] that we can create and bring to council.

[1:30:35] >> I think we'll modify option one to show

[1:30:38] the 90° parking, you know, restore as

[1:30:40] much of that as possible. Um, and then

[1:30:43] have the parking and the shifted

[1:30:46] crosswalk that that Steve Patrick

[1:30:48] brought up. And then option zero will

[1:30:51] just look at some minor touches perhaps

[1:30:54] moving the crosswalk as well that Steve

[1:30:56] mentioned to improve the visibility but

[1:30:59] retain the slip lane going towards

[1:31:01] Whiskey Hill off of Mountain Home. So

[1:31:04] that will be the the first option. Yeah.

[1:31:07] Or zero zero option

[1:31:09] >> like to add that the slip lane has is I

[1:31:11] mean I ride a bicycle through there

[1:31:12] quite a bit and it's really scary

[1:31:14] because cars can't see me coming. It's

[1:31:16] such a a low angle. It's super dangerous

[1:31:18] for bicyclists going up Woodside Road

[1:31:20] and and uh I I' I'd really love to see

[1:31:23] it gone.

[1:31:25] >> Great. Okay, let's uh jump to the next

[1:31:28] one. Troy, moving on.

[1:31:31] >> So, it's only 6:45. This is awesome.

[1:31:34] You're making great time.

[1:31:37] >> All right. Uh area C, Central Woodside

[1:31:40] Road. Um, and then so what we have here,

[1:31:44] we have a couple concepts and, uh, I'll

[1:31:46] walk through them. Uh, and let's go to

[1:31:49] the next one, Troy. So,

[1:31:53] when we looked at this, there were a lot

[1:31:54] of ideas in the past studies at Woodside

[1:31:57] on how to transform or formalize

[1:32:00] Woodside Road a little bit into a more

[1:32:03] obviously pedestrian friendly

[1:32:04] environment or perhaps even a more main

[1:32:07] street environment. Um, and so we

[1:32:10] discussed, you know, no change, minor

[1:32:12] improvements, new frontage road, full

[1:32:14] main street, and the the more we looked

[1:32:17] at it, the the big changes are really, hard. Uh, they're hard from a

[1:32:21] financial perspective, they're hard from

[1:32:23] a civil engineering perspective.

[1:32:26] And so what we've done is we've

[1:32:28] developed a concept where it would be

[1:32:30] entirely the the question is if a

[1:32:34] landowner came to the city and said um

[1:32:38] you know I'm going to provide parking on

[1:32:40] my site in a different form than a

[1:32:42] pooling 90 degree parking stall off of

[1:32:45] Woodside Road. What are my options? And

[1:32:48] so in the next slide um go ahead. We

[1:32:52] looked at what would um if a landowner

[1:32:56] elected to remove that pool in parking,

[1:33:00] what could this how what would the

[1:33:01] impacts be on the overall environment?

[1:33:05] And so uh you know in this intermittent

[1:33:09] sequence where say two develop uh two

[1:33:11] land owners decide to um utilize that

[1:33:15] land for redevelopment and I think it

[1:33:17] would really these buildings have been

[1:33:19] improved upon fairly recently which

[1:33:21] Richard you pointed out. Uh so the

[1:33:23] likelihood of redevelopment you know

[1:33:26] that's a a speculative thing but in the

[1:33:29] event that one of these do in the future

[1:33:32] uh how would we guide that vision? Um,

[1:33:35] and is there an option where you could

[1:33:38] create a main street if the landowner

[1:33:41] elected to not have that pull in parking

[1:33:44] and go with the um uh public parking

[1:33:47] along the curb and then provide the

[1:33:50] other parking that they need internal to

[1:33:52] their site which of course comes with

[1:33:54] costs and and all those things. Uh so

[1:33:56] let's go to the next slide.

[1:33:59] So assumptions, streetscape and pool and

[1:34:02] private parking only evolves if owner

[1:34:03] voluntary redevelops and opts into the

[1:34:06] new parallel configuration. This goes

[1:34:08] back to that very like second slide

[1:34:11] which talks about what options can we

[1:34:14] give the owners. And so this is if an

[1:34:16] owner is going to explore residential

[1:34:18] uses on the second level or a new

[1:34:20] development,

[1:34:22] this could be an option that we provide

[1:34:24] them, which is to reconfigure, get more

[1:34:26] land for the building and reconfigure

[1:34:29] the parking. Uh the new developments are

[1:34:32] parked to code requirements on site for

[1:34:34] parking demand. And then parking on the

[1:34:36] north side of Woodside Road can only

[1:34:38] happen if at some point the entire

[1:34:40] street's transformed and the center lane

[1:34:42] is no longer needed to pull into pull in

[1:34:44] parking. So there's a lot of really big

[1:34:47] ifs. And Richard wrote beautiful letter

[1:34:49] that kind of outlined in a lot of detail

[1:34:51] some of the um constraints and impacts

[1:34:54] that a developer would have to go

[1:34:56] through in order to get to this outcome.

[1:34:59] Uh this is something that we kind of

[1:35:01] heard over and over again from the

[1:35:02] community feedback, a desire for kind of

[1:35:04] a formal main street in Woodside. I

[1:35:07] think we can share with them the

[1:35:08] constraints and the difficulties of

[1:35:10] that, but we can also share with them

[1:35:12] that it is technically difficult but

[1:35:16] physically possible. So, next slide.

[1:35:21] So, this assumes that each property has

[1:35:24] uh forgone their pull-in parking off of

[1:35:26] Woodside Road and converted to a public

[1:35:30] parked uh condition. At that point, the turn lane off of Woodside Road would

[1:35:35] not be needed and you could achieve a

[1:35:38] formalized, you know, uh more regular

[1:35:41] main street with parallel parking, uh a

[1:35:45] 5-ft bike lane with a three-foot buffer.

[1:35:47] So you'd have parallel parking 8 ft and

[1:35:51] then you'd have your two 12T through

[1:35:53] lanes and then another 8T uh and then

[1:35:56] your 7T for parallel parking and a

[1:35:58] pathway on the top. Uh next slide.

[1:36:04] And so this would be your arrival moment

[1:36:07] into town. And again, these are all

[1:36:10] measures to help slow and calm traffic

[1:36:13] going into the into the town.

[1:36:16] uh the purple boxes that implies that property has been redeveloped. It

[1:36:21] could apply to all of them, but you

[1:36:24] know, this is a very hypothetical

[1:36:27] concept and it's something that we're

[1:36:30] mostly looking to is this an option that

[1:36:32] you would allow a developer to pursue

[1:36:34] who owns that property and wants to

[1:36:36] change that that street parking format.

[1:36:39] And if they did, what would you ask of

[1:36:42] them in return in terms of sidewalk

[1:36:44] width, planting, and things like that?

[1:36:46] >> Do you have a guess

[1:36:49] if I own one of those purple boxes,

[1:36:52] >> what it's worth before and after this

[1:36:54] change? Just a rough is it is worth 2x

[1:36:57] or 4x or what does that mean?

[1:36:59] >> Developers get really upset when

[1:37:00] architects proclaim

[1:37:02] >> I get it, but we but this is like the

[1:37:04] crux but this is the crux of the matter,

[1:37:06] right?

[1:37:07] >> It is. And it's it's a little bit this

[1:37:09] is something where so uh we do do

[1:37:12] downtown master plans but we always work

[1:37:15] with the developer consultant on those

[1:37:17] projects to understand the economics and

[1:37:19] the feasibility of it. So this is

[1:37:22] something where that's a great question

[1:37:23] and that's an important question and

[1:37:25] Richard you've definitely asked this

[1:37:27] question. Um,

[1:37:27] >> yeah. So, to take an example, 2979's

[1:37:31] building is 4,000 square feet, 2,000

[1:37:34] each floor plate, and it's one of the

[1:37:36] larger buildings there. It's been

[1:37:38] renovated, in my opinion, to the nines.

[1:37:40] The exterior's been entirely re-shaved.

[1:37:43] Interiors taken to the studs, done in

[1:37:46] several stages, done to a very high

[1:37:49] standard. JP Morgan Chase spent

[1:37:51] threequarters of a million dollars on

[1:37:52] the improvements. We tear that all down.

[1:37:54] We write that all off and then we start

[1:37:56] a new. We start a new by putting parking

[1:38:00] on the lower level because we have to

[1:38:03] park the building inside the property

[1:38:06] line and we have no more parking on

[1:38:08] Woodside Road and perhaps we have less

[1:38:11] parking in the rear and perhaps we lose

[1:38:14] the handicap spot that we have for the

[1:38:16] village doctor. It's not clear. The

[1:38:19] scale here is extremely small. If you

[1:38:23] were talking about a much bigger

[1:38:26] footprint, if one entity owned all

[1:38:29] purple boxes and maybe the little

[1:38:31] building at the end and the Gilbert

[1:38:33] Center and the Pioneer, then you have

[1:38:36] scale and size and scope. And so these,

[1:38:39] you know, uh technically difficult,

[1:38:43] physically

[1:38:45] possible improvements can be leveraged

[1:38:47] over a much greater square footage. I

[1:38:50] have never seen anything in 45 years

[1:38:53] that I've been doing real estate and

[1:38:54] construction. I've never seen anything

[1:38:57] like this. The scale is too small. It's constrained too much. It was set in

[1:39:04] concrete almost a hundred years ago with

[1:39:07] the buildouts of these buildings and it

[1:39:09] was studied to the nines in the late 80s

[1:39:13] and the town and the property owners got

[1:39:16] themselves into deep trouble. We were

[1:39:18] one of the only property owners who

[1:39:19] didn't sue the town. The town had

[1:39:22] multiple cases of litigation. Had a

[1:39:24] recall election. The mayor moved to

[1:39:27] Seattle. It was so bad. And the vice

[1:39:29] mayor

[1:39:31] >> baited away. It's really it's really not

[1:39:33] going to work. I laid that out in 23

[1:39:36] points. So

[1:39:37] >> this this is where I want to stress that

[1:39:39] we're you know this is not a mandate.

[1:39:42] You know this is simply

[1:39:45] if a developer has the brilliant idea to

[1:39:48] come to the table despite all these

[1:39:50] constraints and say I actually don't

[1:39:52] need the pool in parking what would you

[1:39:54] want in return and what this does it

[1:39:56] outlines a method in which you could

[1:39:59] over time deliver a streetscape that's

[1:40:03] more conducive to a formalized u main

[1:40:05] street and that's that's really all this

[1:40:08] is and Richard I do agree that um it's

[1:40:11] really hard to pull pull anything off

[1:40:13] with this fine grain lot scale that

[1:40:15] exists here. Uh the only place I've seen

[1:40:18] it happen and actually they didn't have

[1:40:20] to rebuild the sidewalks or anything was

[1:40:21] Carmel, you know, where they've tear

[1:40:24] torn down small buildings and put back

[1:40:26] up small buildings. And I still don't

[1:40:28] quite understand how they made that work

[1:40:29] even there, but um that's kind of the

[1:40:32] case study for that kind of development

[1:40:34] pattern, but it's really uncommon. So,

[1:40:38] um, we wanted to put this out there

[1:40:39] because it was something that did come

[1:40:41] up with the public. And I think it's

[1:40:43] important to qualify the idea with what

[1:40:46] the real constraints are. And I think

[1:40:48] between your contributions and I think

[1:40:51] what we've done, we've kind of outlined

[1:40:54] uh, you know, how hard it is and but

[1:40:58] this is this is what it would look like

[1:41:00] if that development was achieved over

[1:41:02] time. So that's kind of the base of it.

[1:41:06] Um the next concept is not an eitheror.

[1:41:10] This is something that could happen

[1:41:12] tomorrow I think. Uh so let's go to the

[1:41:15] next one.

[1:41:17] And so this was a really interesting

[1:41:18] idea that came from several

[1:41:20] stakeholders. Um we discussed it first

[1:41:23] with Richard and uh Troy and I were

[1:41:26] walking it tonight and we did some

[1:41:28] updated exhibits. Uh but essentially

[1:41:31] what this imagines is, you know, the

[1:41:35] back side is almost a second front side

[1:41:39] and several of the commercial buildings

[1:41:41] have created facades and entries that

[1:41:44] are on a quiet creek uh without any of

[1:41:46] the traffic noise impacts of Woodside

[1:41:48] Road. And it connects city hall better.

[1:41:52] Uh and it ties you all the way to

[1:41:53] Robert's Grocery. And gosh, that

[1:41:55] crosswalk might make sense if you get

[1:41:57] all the way over there. So this uh

[1:42:00] concept here basically hinges on I think

[1:42:03] a really important idea. And if you see

[1:42:06] that red line that's kind of halfway

[1:42:09] through the property that would cut off

[1:42:11] the through traffic circ circulation to

[1:42:15] really quiet the street to vehicular

[1:42:17] traffic.

[1:42:19] >> So that would cut it off to cars and

[1:42:21] trucks but not pedestrians and not

[1:42:24] bikes.

[1:42:24] >> Right. Yeah.

[1:42:25] >> And horses. Um

[1:42:27] >> horses. Correct. Right. Three getting

[1:42:29] through.

[1:42:29] >> So the idea is that if you eliminate the

[1:42:31] through traffic for vehicles, the only

[1:42:34] folks driving that shared street are the

[1:42:35] folks that happen to be parking into

[1:42:37] those spaces.

[1:42:39] So the cut off point though would have

[1:42:42] to be accessible for emergency vehicles

[1:42:44] that would need to get through. So

[1:42:46] designing that gate carefully and we're

[1:42:49] looking at it today. Maybe the gate

[1:42:51] angles this way. There's some different

[1:42:53] ways to do it. So uh Troy, let's go to

[1:42:56] the next slide.

[1:42:59] So, we took a photo uh in the upper left

[1:43:02] and then this takes that same photo, but

[1:43:05] it overlays basically a strip of

[1:43:07] cobblestones and it could be intricate

[1:43:10] or very minimal in its paving style and

[1:43:12] design. But it basically sends a message

[1:43:15] that through the texture uh of the

[1:43:17] rumble of the of the pavers um and

[1:43:20] potentially you know very slight speed

[1:43:22] tables and other traffic slowing devices

[1:43:25] that this zone is safe for a pedestrian

[1:43:28] in a comfortable place for a pedestrian

[1:43:30] to connect to the trail network or

[1:43:33] connect to Robert's Grocery or to

[1:43:35] connect to the the stores and shops at

[1:43:36] Gilbert's um and then on over to the

[1:43:39] Pioneer Hotel or City Hall. Uh

[1:43:43] if you go to the next slide,

[1:43:46] if you uh take the paving all the way to

[1:43:49] the buildings, it can kind of be an even

[1:43:52] more complete environment. And there are

[1:43:54] examples of these shared streets in

[1:43:56] Washington State, um California. There's

[1:43:59] places where this has been done. And

[1:44:01] then this is kind of all over Europe. Um

[1:44:03] but it's not without its challenges.

[1:44:05] It's really important that visual uh

[1:44:08] cues and communication to the cars to

[1:44:10] look out that pedestrians come first um

[1:44:13] are crucial for for safety. One of the

[1:44:16] challenges with the businesses on this

[1:44:18] side of uh of the block is that the

[1:44:22] connectivity of the sidewalk has to

[1:44:24] navigate a lot of grade changes. So,

[1:44:26] it's not ADA. Uh there's steps, there's

[1:44:28] stairs, and some places you land on a

[1:44:30] sidewalk that's like a couple feet deep.

[1:44:33] So those things aren't really great for

[1:44:36] a prominade, but slowing the street way

[1:44:39] down um and and paving it with a special

[1:44:42] decorative paver could really tra

[1:44:44] transform the atmosphere and create a

[1:44:47] sense of place uh along this side and

[1:44:49] maybe it would encourage more of the

[1:44:51] businesses to activate that side of

[1:44:54] their building in response. So um next

[1:44:59] slide.

[1:45:02] So,

[1:45:03] uh, what are your your additional

[1:45:05] comments to the the concept shown?

[1:45:11] Richard, go for it.

[1:45:13] >> Yeah. So, I made a couple comments in

[1:45:14] the letter. If we could go back two

[1:45:16] slides. I would suggest that this slide

[1:45:20] be updated because the photo in the top

[1:45:23] left is not the actual conditions. It

[1:45:26] fails to show the village pub outdoor

[1:45:28] eating. And that's pretty important to

[1:45:31] show you've got it on the next slide,

[1:45:34] but you don't have it on the first. So,

[1:45:36] it's that consistency that's pretty

[1:45:38] important. On the first slide, 17, it

[1:45:41] looked to me when I looked at it and

[1:45:43] zoomed in, it looked like you were going

[1:45:45] diagonal parking as you got further down

[1:45:50] the drive lane there. I couldn't tell.

[1:45:52] It looked like you were contemplating

[1:45:54] only having parking on the south side.

[1:45:56] Again, I I'm just saying there's value

[1:45:59] in clarity.

[1:46:00] >> We updated the So, this photo we took

[1:46:03] tonight

[1:46:05] and uh updated it with the paving down

[1:46:08] the center and we took this photo

[1:46:09] tonight and updated it with the paving

[1:46:12] down the center.

[1:46:13] >> Okay. So, these have changed since the

[1:46:16] ones we got

[1:46:17] >> in response to your comment, Richard.

[1:46:19] >> I see. Okay. So I I've already made the

[1:46:22] comment in the letter, but that handicap

[1:46:24] stall, we've spent so much time and

[1:46:27] money creating that handicap stall for

[1:46:30] the village doctor, making certain it

[1:46:32] was to the nines perfect to allow

[1:46:35] patients with mobility issues, access,

[1:46:38] ingress, and egress. So that parking

[1:46:40] along the backside there that we've got

[1:46:42] is really important to us.

[1:46:45] >> Thank Thank you.

[1:46:47] >> Okay.

[1:46:48] >> Could I make a

[1:46:49] >> Yes, Steve. Um, yeah, I I love this

[1:46:51] idea. There was a time when the book and

[1:46:54] bean the book and coffee shop was down

[1:46:56] there and and that back of those

[1:46:58] buildings at the lower level was much

[1:46:59] more active. And I'd love to see that

[1:47:02] restored. And it would also connect

[1:47:04] nicely with a if we had a really a 12-

[1:47:08] foot multi-use coming up Woodside Road

[1:47:11] from the school, this would be a way

[1:47:13] that people could get away from traffic

[1:47:15] and and walk through town.

[1:47:17] >> Yep. As far as Woodside Road goes, um it

[1:47:20] seems to me that having parallel

[1:47:22] parking, you know, really loses a lot of

[1:47:25] parking spots. I think that huge expanse

[1:47:27] of asphalt on Woodside Road is a great

[1:47:29] opportunity to pit parking where we

[1:47:32] already have paving. If in the eastbound

[1:47:34] direction there was backend diagonal

[1:47:37] parking, I think would be actually safer

[1:47:39] than parallel parking and you'd get a

[1:47:42] lot more cars in. And I think it's

[1:47:44] really important to restore the parking

[1:47:45] on the north side because we still have

[1:47:47] a deficit of parking and I'd hate to see

[1:47:51] a lot of parking interior. The parking

[1:47:53] lots I think are really destructive to

[1:47:55] pedestrian spaces.

[1:47:57] >> Great. Thank you, Steve. Yeah.

[1:48:01] >> Yes, Sue.

[1:48:03] >> I for one will miss the center turn lane

[1:48:06] like into the post office into the gas

[1:48:09] station. And I know you'll hate me, but

[1:48:12] I do like the cut through, especially if

[1:48:15] it's uh, you know, a weekend. So, when

[1:48:18] I'm coming down Mountain Home, I do

[1:48:20] sometimes I'm going to the post office,

[1:48:21] so I'm going to go the back way instead

[1:48:22] of sit at Mountain I mean at Whiskey

[1:48:25] Hill, wait at the stop sign to turn, I'm

[1:48:28] going to go the back way to the post

[1:48:29] office. But most of the time I'm using

[1:48:31] that cut through, it's because I'm

[1:48:33] really going to those particular places.

[1:48:35] I might leave the post office and go to

[1:48:37] the bank. Easier than going up Woodside

[1:48:40] Road.

[1:48:52] » Oh, I mean, hate me because I'm I'm

[1:48:53] going behind the buildings. I'm sorry.

[1:48:56] Um I'm using the cut through behind the

[1:48:59] buildings that you're now going to make

[1:49:00] a pedestrian friendly.

[1:49:02] But

[1:49:03] >> well the I mean the the idea is that the

[1:49:06] So Troy, can you go back to the map?

[1:49:10] >> So the orange zone represents where cars

[1:49:14] cut through from Whiskey Hill all the

[1:49:17] way to Robert's Grocery right now on the

[1:49:19] screen.

[1:49:20] >> Correct.

[1:49:20] >> So that's the path that cars take,

[1:49:22] >> right? And so what this is saying is

[1:49:25] that and and what you're observing Sue

[1:49:27] is that we're blocking off the cut

[1:49:29] through traffic in order to minimize the

[1:49:31] car presence. Not eliminate it, but

[1:49:34] minimize it. But yeah, we would in in

[1:49:37] essence lose your

[1:49:39] um unofficial street that connects

[1:49:42] Whiskey Hill to Mountain,

[1:49:43] >> right? Because if it's the weekend and

[1:49:45] there's a lot of traffic or the

[1:49:48] people going to the beach, I mean,

[1:49:50] Woodside Road can really get busy. If

[1:49:52] I'm buzzing by the mail office or the

[1:49:56] post office, I'll just go the back way

[1:49:57] to the bank. So, that's just a little I

[1:50:00] mean,

[1:50:01] >> sadly, that's not a street, Sue.

[1:50:04] >> Excuse me.

[1:50:06] >> Sadly, that's not a street. You're going

[1:50:08] through someone's parking lot.

[1:50:10] >> But it but it looks like a street.

[1:50:15] I I would venture to say I can't be the

[1:50:18] only one sitting here tonight that

[1:50:20] hasn't done that.

[1:50:21] I will freely admit I do it too, but

[1:50:24] it's still not a stream.

[1:50:26] >> So, so I know what the when what the

[1:50:28] residents want for sure is a bigger

[1:50:31] variety of consumer oriented retail, you

[1:50:33] know, and these build we I feel like

[1:50:35] we're losing track of that, right? It's

[1:50:37] >> that's a big thing that people want is

[1:50:39] they want more I can go to town here and

[1:50:42] get the things I need and shop. So, so

[1:50:44] to me the big issue in all this is is

[1:50:46] from the property owner's perspective if

[1:50:47] we do either one of these and I heard

[1:50:50] you say the first one's untenable fine

[1:50:52] but I I don't think it's even worth

[1:50:54] almost not worth talking about unless

[1:50:55] you're like yeah I'd be happy to go add

[1:50:57] more on the shared street I can imagine

[1:50:59] in my building doing whatever

[1:51:01] improvements I need to do to have a

[1:51:04] yogurt shop or a yoga studio or

[1:51:06] something that's open on that that'll

[1:51:08] draw more pedestrians and draw more

[1:51:10] residents in. Right. And so that to me

[1:51:12] that's like the core issue of this is I think it's cool great idea as long as

[1:51:18] we're we the property owners are willing

[1:51:20] to build kind of some vibrancy and

[1:51:22] retail outlets there that'll make it a

[1:51:25] cool street for people to walk on.

[1:51:26] Otherwise it's like what's the point?

[1:51:29] That's that would be my thing.

[1:51:35] » Yeah. But I'm just mean it's like a lot

[1:51:37] of people really people really want

[1:51:39] that's the feedback we got was the

[1:51:41] residents really want to be able to go

[1:51:42] here and have another restaurant option

[1:51:45] and have an ice cream shop and have a

[1:51:46] yoga studio and have some more stuff

[1:51:48] like that that they could go visit and

[1:51:50] so we can get that as part of this

[1:51:52] awesome.

[1:52:00] Yeah, but the question would be like are

[1:52:02] there can you reorient so there could be

[1:52:05] stores that face that like those kind of

[1:52:07] shops that face and you know one

[1:52:09] building's already ordered the right way

[1:52:10] but these guys in the middle would have

[1:52:12] to orient you know back towards that

[1:52:14] street.

[1:52:26] » But but that's what I that's why I bring

[1:52:27] it up, right? It is like if that's if we

[1:52:29] can get that awesome cuz this cool super

[1:52:32] cool idea. If we can't

[1:52:34] then what's the point

[1:52:37] isn't the

[1:52:40] >> So some more comments. There's been a

[1:52:42] lot said here. So this to me this back

[1:52:45] lane fits in really well with what the

[1:52:48] town has done since termination of the

[1:52:51] Woodside uh road Whiskey Hill Road

[1:52:54] Parking Assessment District. And that is

[1:52:56] when buildings came forward to redevelop

[1:52:59] there was a concerted effort to orient

[1:53:01] them towards the back.

[1:53:04] >> So we at our building at 2979 we opened

[1:53:06] up that lower level. So instead of the

[1:53:10] front that we had with book and bean it

[1:53:13] was a much more open lightfilled space

[1:53:16] that attracted a concierge doctor who

[1:53:19] took part of this space and then took it

[1:53:20] all. So, pretty big book of business

[1:53:23] over the last 20 years plus. Um, our

[1:53:27] other building though at Millstone, it's

[1:53:29] a solid masonry wall. We have no way to

[1:53:33] create space there. We'd have to exit.

[1:53:35] We'd have to tear down the building. So,

[1:53:37] we added an architectural feature

[1:53:40] designed by Steve on the ramp. when we

[1:53:42] closed off the ramp at the town's

[1:53:44] direction. But there's a building that

[1:53:46] has, you know, a very tiny footprint,

[1:53:48] 1,200 square feet with sitting on uh

[1:53:52] soil that would need to be excavated to

[1:53:55] orient it towards the rear. So I think

[1:53:57] with Village Pub, there's been a big

[1:53:59] change. So when the district was in

[1:54:02] throws, Village Pub was up on Woodside

[1:54:05] Road, an entrance restaurant overlooking

[1:54:08] Woodside Road. When that was sold, torn

[1:54:11] down and rebuilt, they put it

[1:54:13] downstairs, kitchen in the back, and

[1:54:15] then they had this opportunity during

[1:54:18] COVID to put seating out back. I don't

[1:54:20] think much else is going to change

[1:54:22] because the Gilbert's built new on the

[1:54:25] end, east end, and they don't have the

[1:54:27] same topography that the other buildings

[1:54:30] have. And then the little building in

[1:54:32] between ours and the village pub is

[1:54:34] very, very tiny. And it's been done to

[1:54:37] the nines more more so than anything

[1:54:39] we've done. I mean, he really did a

[1:54:41] great job. He's not going to redo that

[1:54:44] again. I mean, it's about as oriented

[1:54:46] towards the rear as possible. So, you

[1:54:48] have a limited number of buildings,

[1:54:50] limited footprint, and you've had this

[1:54:52] effort over 20 years when capital's been

[1:54:54] deployed to orient it towards the back.

[1:54:57] >> So, final comment though.

[1:54:59] >> Okay.

[1:54:59] >> With retail leasing, drive counts count.

[1:55:04] You don't have drive counts in Woodside.

[1:55:06] You never will. You have demographics.

[1:55:08] You have income levels that support

[1:55:10] robust retail, but you don't have drive

[1:55:13] counts. And drive counts matter

[1:55:14] everywhere in leasing in the United

[1:55:16] States. And I've been at it for 45

[1:55:18] years. So, I've seen it done. It can be

[1:55:21] done. It won't be done here. It you just

[1:55:24] don't have the population, the density,

[1:55:27] and the drive count.

[1:55:29] Dan, the other agenda with this concept

[1:55:33] is if you cannot achieve uh the

[1:55:36] formalized pedestrian sidewalk that

[1:55:38] creates a continuity on Woodside Road,

[1:55:41] can we create continuity in an area that

[1:55:44] has less friction uh you know in terms

[1:55:46] of cost? And so can you go to that first

[1:55:49] slide? Kind of the most minimal way to

[1:55:53] do this is just take the center section

[1:55:55] of asphalt and texture it and um try and

[1:55:59] take that texture all the way to where

[1:56:02] that you know it could optionally stop

[1:56:05] at the red gate and you take the

[1:56:07] equestrian trail behind Gilbert's or if

[1:56:11] you wanted to extend this and it went

[1:56:13] around Gilbert's to tie into the the

[1:56:16] post office and the uses there that

[1:56:18] would be an option too to discuss. So,

[1:56:21] but I think, you know, this ties to the

[1:56:23] museum, it ties to the city hall, it

[1:56:26] ties to the village pub. There's, you

[1:56:28] know, a collection of some uses there.

[1:56:31] Uh, but the predominant agenda is really

[1:56:34] giving pedestrians like a nice place to

[1:56:35] walk. So, yes,

[1:56:44] picking picking up the equestrian.

[1:56:47] It would be in front of the Gilbert

[1:56:49] Center lean.

[1:56:50] >> The paving area would be the shared

[1:56:51] street would go around the front of

[1:56:55] Gilbert Center potentially, but where

[1:56:58] the red line is drawn on the map is

[1:57:00] where folks can pick up the equestrian

[1:57:03] trail and walk safely to uh Roberts and

[1:57:08] that's there today. So, it picks up on

[1:57:10] some existing trail network. Um I'm

[1:57:13] saying like basically you could

[1:57:26] Leanne, could you use the microphone,

[1:57:27] please?

[1:57:29] >> Fallen in to the dirt that had to be

[1:57:32] It's It's very deep and that's behind

[1:57:36] our whole building there.

[1:57:37] >> Yeah.

[1:57:38] >> And so it should be left alone because

[1:57:40] that's what it is.

[1:57:41] >> Yeah. this and I don't think the

[1:57:43] neighbor behind us would enjoy the fact

[1:57:45] that all of a sudden a ton of cars or

[1:57:47] people were now walking.

[1:57:49] >> No, we are not proposing any changes to

[1:57:51] that trail at all in this idea. This

[1:57:54] idea takes the concept of just changing

[1:57:57] the paving surface along where the cars

[1:57:59] drive, not where they park, but where

[1:58:02] they drive to create a zone that

[1:58:04] pedestrians could walk along with slow

[1:58:08] traffic. So anyhow, just just trying to

[1:58:11] clarify what we're showing.

[1:58:13] >> It's clear as mud.

[1:58:16] >> Two more quick comments.

[1:58:17] >> Okay.

[1:58:18] >> One is this concept really takes that

[1:58:21] back area to where it was prior to the

[1:58:25] town's approval of Gilbert Center. The

[1:58:28] town obligated Gilbert Center, the

[1:58:29] Gilberts, to remove that retaining wall

[1:58:33] that then blocked traffic from exiting

[1:58:37] Gilbert Center and heading east. So that

[1:58:40] was created at the direction of the

[1:58:42] town, but it didn't really matter at the

[1:58:44] time because there was a retaining wall

[1:58:46] behind the pub and the retaining wall

[1:58:49] held traffic westbound at the pub,

[1:58:52] eastbound at that west side of the pub.

[1:58:55] that was removed when the town approved

[1:58:58] the pub and created this throughway. And

[1:59:01] yes, at times it may be infrequently

[1:59:03] used, but at times it is really heavily

[1:59:06] used. School times in particular see a

[1:59:09] lot of cut through traffic and it is

[1:59:11] sometimes high-speed stuff. So we added

[1:59:15] speed bumps, engineered speed bumps

[1:59:17] approved by the town public works

[1:59:19] department after review to slow things

[1:59:21] down.

[1:59:23] Some of those vehicles are pretty heavy.

[1:59:25] They take those speed bumps at speed.

[1:59:28] They don't care. So, they fly over them.

[1:59:30] It is not pedestrian friendly in my

[1:59:33] opinion now. And so, the idea is let's

[1:59:36] make it more pedestrian friendly and put

[1:59:38] cars back on the road where they should

[1:59:40] be.

[1:59:41] >> No, I'd like to say something about

[1:59:43] that. We had speed bumps on our whole

[1:59:47] road. They've been torn up three times

[1:59:49] by bicyclists. wasn't new, was it?

[1:59:54] Uh he would he wouldn't destroy

[1:59:56] property. He But anyway, that they've

[1:59:59] gotten torn up every time. So, we don't

[2:00:01] have them in there anymore. No more

[2:00:03] speed bumps. But nobody's speeding

[2:00:05] through Gilbert Center. Not if we caught

[2:00:08] them. If you're speeding there, did you

[2:00:10] look funny when you I said that? But u

[2:00:13] No. and and behind we're going to close

[2:00:16] that off because people are coming and

[2:00:18] they have no sight distance when they

[2:00:20] come from let's say up at the pub and

[2:00:23] coming down they don't see around and

[2:00:26] that's just how our building is built

[2:00:27] there.

[2:00:28] >> Mhm.

[2:00:29] >> And so it's not a good deal in the back

[2:00:32] there. I don't think you can get as many

[2:00:35] joy as much joy out of that as you

[2:00:37] think.

[2:00:40] So, should I take that to mean you

[2:00:42] support closing that off or you do not

[2:00:45] support?

[2:00:46] >> I don't want to clo I just want to leave

[2:00:47] it alone the way it is. People know that

[2:00:50] people that walk there if they're coming

[2:00:52] where are they coming from to come down

[2:00:54] to the post office? We have the post

[2:00:56] office right there for anybody to get on

[2:00:58] to right away.

[2:01:00] >> We have parking spaces.

[2:01:01] >> So, here I would argue Leanne's got veto

[2:01:05] rights. So without Leanne in tow,

[2:01:08] >> well, why don't we take a vote on all

[2:01:11] the ideas and let's go from there. Um I

[2:01:13] think we've had some really good

[2:01:15] discussion, but let's just kind of lay

[2:01:16] out these ideas. We have a couple of

[2:01:18] ideas that are not necessarily

[2:01:20] contradictory. I think some of these are

[2:01:21] complimentary. Um but let's just do a

[2:01:23] quick show of hands. Um because I think Leanne's supportive of this idea

[2:01:28] ultimately, I think. Um but let's just

[2:01:30] start with the kind of the front side of

[2:01:33] Woodside Road. Do we support allowing

[2:01:36] basically develop properties to change

[2:01:39] their parking from the 90 degree to the

[2:01:42] on street parallel parking? Do we

[2:01:43] support that? Yes or no?

[2:01:47] >> Not so much. Oh. Oh, got one timid.

[2:01:50] >> You lose too much.

[2:01:52] >> Well, you do.

[2:01:57] park all but actually I was wondering

[2:01:59] how do you suggest people get from

[2:02:01] parking on the north side of Woodside

[2:02:04] Road across Woodside Road so they could

[2:02:07] I mean if we have all these cars there

[2:02:09] because we're adding cars there Steve

[2:02:11] >> I I I think

[2:02:12] >> how are people going to run across

[2:02:13] >> that's that's part of the traffic coming

[2:02:15] I think there should be an additional

[2:02:17] two crosswalks here from the north side

[2:02:20] the the trees should be be between the cars it should be parallel on the

[2:02:25] north side and back in diagonal on the

[2:02:27] south side. If you we're not going to

[2:02:29] get this retail use as intensely if we

[2:02:32] lose all this parking. I mean, I think

[2:02:34] we need it already. And and the more

[2:02:37] parking we can keep on the street, the

[2:02:39] more we're going to encourage these

[2:02:41] retail uses.

[2:02:44] Appreciate the comment. I just

[2:02:48] not I mean we're supposed to be voting

[2:02:49] but I guess my other comment was I like

[2:02:51] the whole concept of enhancing the

[2:02:54] walking path but realistically what's

[2:02:56] left I mean there's the village pub when

[2:03:00] we reoriented that so it faced the back

[2:03:03] I was actually at the meeting I remember

[2:03:04] very clearly somebody told me you don't

[2:03:06] put the village pub downstairs we're

[2:03:07] going to go bankrupt nobody's going to

[2:03:09] be down there well it obviously worked

[2:03:11] but that space is used up the um the

[2:03:16] concier's doctor, that space is used up.

[2:03:19] Richard said that concrete wall behind

[2:03:22] that the old Philip 66 station that's

[2:03:24] used up. So there aren't really too many

[2:03:28] reasons people are going to be walking

[2:03:29] down there. Now I think your sketch is

[2:03:32] really beautiful. The watercolor is

[2:03:33] really nice, but who's going to walk

[2:03:36] down there? I mean, I don't know. Will

[2:03:38] cut cottage. I don't even know what's in

[2:03:41] there, but it doesn't look like that's

[2:03:43] going to open up for retail. You know,

[2:03:44] the thing next to the village. What's

[2:03:46] the your building there at the corner?

[2:03:48] >> Perkins office.

[2:03:50] >> Perkins.

[2:03:51] office. I don't

[2:03:53] >> benchmark.

[2:03:54] >> I can't I I think, you know, as we've

[2:03:56] been pointed out, we're talking about

[2:03:58] long-term planning and none of this has

[2:04:01] to happen. And we're I mean, Richard's

[2:04:02] building that used to be a gas station.

[2:04:04] I think there's an incredible potential

[2:04:07] there to to to have, you know, to to to

[2:04:10] keep the pedestrian pathway continuous

[2:04:12] on Woodside Road and to have a lot more

[2:04:14] building there on two levels, three

[2:04:16] levels. And and I think in the long

[2:04:19] term, we've got to make these things are

[2:04:22] possible, forcing anybody to do it.

[2:04:25] Making it possible really opens up

[2:04:28] opportunities.

[2:04:29] We should have a long-term vision that

[2:04:32] makes more possible.

[2:04:34] I think that's well said Steve. I think

[2:04:36] just what when we're think when we're

[2:04:37] here in this room today right we're

[2:04:38] looking at oh it's you know it's this

[2:04:40] business it's this business but if we

[2:04:41] look down in the future things can might

[2:04:44] happen someone you know might buy a

[2:04:46] property change over property so this is

[2:04:48] a little bit less about you know this

[2:04:50] exact business I can't see it changing

[2:04:53] over but it's a little bit taking a step

[2:04:55] into the world of what could happen in

[2:04:57] 10 years or 20 years um there are real

[2:05:01] constraints you guys are you know

[2:05:03] helpfully expressing

[2:05:07] Should we just go through the last one?

[2:05:09] Uh or do you want to

[2:05:11] >> Yeah, maybe let's just finish out kind

[2:05:12] of the voting because I'm interested

[2:05:14] just to see where folks are in terms So,

[2:05:16] the first idea there was not I didn't

[2:05:19] see any hands really. Um how about

[2:05:21] adding

[2:05:21] >> just one hand?

[2:05:22] >> Yeah, just one hand. How about adding

[2:05:23] back parking onto Woodside Road?

[2:05:27] >> Oh, the north side.

[2:05:29] >> Yeah, on the north side of Woodside

[2:05:30] Road.

[2:05:33] that the cost of the Senate drone line.

[2:05:36] >> That would be the tradeoff.

[2:05:38] >> So, we would object strongly to that and

[2:05:40] it's highly likely if that went through,

[2:05:42] we'd file suit against CalR and the town

[2:05:46] guaranteed.

[2:05:48] We lose access, Lisbon access to 2989,

[2:05:52] the Gilberts lose access in the center,

[2:05:55] we'd file suit.

[2:05:56] >> Okay, we'll take that as a no vote.

[2:05:59] Um, no. That's that's good feedback, but

[2:06:02] >> sorry, I'm gonna I agree with you, but

[2:06:04] I'm going to object to your approach.

[2:06:05] >> He's asking for a vote. This is a public

[2:06:08] process with people who are selected to

[2:06:09] be here. The vote should be taken.

[2:06:11] >> I agree with your opinion, but we can't

[2:06:13] squash the vote. So, he should take his

[2:06:15] vote,

[2:06:15] >> right? I agree with your comment, but I

[2:06:17] raised my hand for a while there while

[2:06:19] quite a bit of commentary was going back

[2:06:21] and forth over a number of topics which

[2:06:23] skip the center drive lane which been

[2:06:25] made clear in the exhibits that if that

[2:06:28] goes that's the only way to get parking

[2:06:30] on the north side. If that goes we

[2:06:32] suffer damages and we won't sit back and

[2:06:35] allow that to happen. Period.

[2:06:39] So

[2:06:40] >> recognize that somebody has the same.

[2:06:46] » I'm I'm not sure that it isn't possible

[2:06:49] to have leftterm pockets and still have

[2:06:52] parking on the north side. I'm not sure.

[2:06:55] You know, if we look at 11 foot lanes in

[2:06:58] both directions from from Whiskey Hill

[2:07:01] Road to Kings Mountain Road with with

[2:07:03] shared

[2:07:05] I mean if you get rid of the bike lanes,

[2:07:07] you got another 10 another 16 ft.

[2:07:10] >> Typically how cities do it is they wipe

[2:07:12] out the parallel parking to make room

[2:07:14] for the turn lane for the length of two

[2:07:16] or three cars. But I think turnets we

[2:07:19] could get the parking and get left turn

[2:07:21] parkets park pockets and get trees in

[2:07:24] the middle of the road and and I think

[2:07:25] with careful design all of that's

[2:07:27] possible. There's yeah the challenge I

[2:07:31] think in the interim is all the pool and

[2:07:33] parking for the businesses along

[2:07:35] Woodside Road are going to need that

[2:07:37] turn lane only in the event that those

[2:07:40] properties redeveloped and we lost um uh

[2:07:45] the need for that uh 90° pull in parking

[2:07:49] off Woodside that um you know you

[2:07:52] wouldn't need the entire street to have

[2:07:54] that turn lane

[2:07:55] >> if if you had if you had a left turn

[2:07:58] park. If you had back in diagonal

[2:08:00] parking and you had turn lane, one or

[2:08:03] two turn lanes, people could make a

[2:08:05] Uturn and back into the parking spots.

[2:08:09] So, let's do a vote really quick. Just I

[2:08:11] mean, we still have some bandwidth in

[2:08:14] this project left to, you know, refine

[2:08:17] ideas, change exhibits, and work on

[2:08:19] things. But let's wrap up the vote

[2:08:21] because we still have another section uh

[2:08:24] to cover. So, um

[2:08:27] let's do a quick vote on the uh street

[2:08:31] >> sheriff hands for the north side

[2:08:33] parking.

[2:08:34] >> Yeah.

[2:08:35] >> And then we'll do shared street.

[2:08:38] >> So, real quick, if you're no on parking

[2:08:41] on the north side, um in the event that

[2:08:45] there's uh that the the turnpocket

[2:08:48] solution could be solved,

[2:08:51] uh raise your hand.

[2:08:53] You thoroughly confused us.

[2:08:55] >> Yeah, I didn't.

[2:08:56] >> It is confusing. How about we need to do

[2:08:58] an exhibit showing that you could add

[2:09:00] the parking on the north side with the

[2:09:01] turn lane.

[2:09:02] >> Okay. Well, let's let's assume that the

[2:09:05] current trade-off is the loss of the

[2:09:08] center turn lane. Who's in favor of

[2:09:10] adding the parking on the north side? If

[2:09:12] that's the case,

[2:09:14] >> losing the turn lane

[2:09:16] >> one.

[2:09:16] >> Okay, great. Let's as a team make an

[2:09:20] experiment and see if there are is any

[2:09:22] way to add

[2:09:24] both uh to do pocket turn pockets plus

[2:09:27] parallel parking. So we will take a look

[2:09:29] at that. Um sounds like there's some

[2:09:31] interest in that. Um okay, how about the

[2:09:33] shared street? How um how do we feel

[2:09:36] about the backside shared street

[2:09:38] concept? Who supports that?

[2:09:40] >> Simplicit in that cutting off being able

[2:09:43] to drive continuously through.

[2:09:44] >> Yeah.

[2:09:52] Great.

[2:09:55] >> All right.

[2:09:57] And I think there's, you know, we can

[2:10:00] also talk about Dry Creek Trail um

[2:10:02] improving that, but that's sort of a

[2:10:03] separate idea. I think more important

[2:10:05] are the bigger ideas. All right. Great.

[2:10:07] That's good direction. And we'll take a

[2:10:09] closer look at the north at the at the

[2:10:12] road and see what is possible.

[2:10:15] All right, let's move on to area D,

[2:10:18] Whiskey Hill Road.

[2:10:20] >> Great. Let's go to the next slide. So,

[2:10:23] the predominant issues here is as you're

[2:10:26] coming from the freeway entering into

[2:10:28] town, a lot of folks are not slowing

[2:10:30] down. So, if you're on Whiskey Hill Road

[2:10:33] trying to to make a left turn into town,

[2:10:36] you're dealing with fairly high speed

[2:10:38] traffic traveling fast from the freeway

[2:10:41] and then traffic speeding up going

[2:10:43] towards the freeway. So, uh we looked at

[2:10:47] a couple concepts here to introduce uh

[2:10:50] kind of a controlled a way to control

[2:10:52] the intersection to improve its safety

[2:10:54] for both pedestrians and and motorists.

[2:10:57] Uh we talked about the concepts in

[2:11:00] general at first uh you know no change

[2:11:03] crosswalk and flashers three-way stop

[2:11:05] sign roundabout and so the CAC was split

[2:11:08] between a crosswalk with flashers or um

[2:11:12] and a three-way stop sign and then a

[2:11:14] roundabout was not favored. Um next

[2:11:17] slide.

[2:11:20] So, this represents uh a three-way stop

[2:11:23] and essentially what you're seeing on

[2:11:25] the north side of the intersection is an

[2:11:27] enteron lane that goes into that

[2:11:30] property uh and accesses the parking in

[2:11:33] the back through the the little tunnel

[2:11:35] it has. Um so, in this situation here,

[2:11:39] we're creating a moment where traffic

[2:11:42] coming from the freeway stops and it

[2:11:45] will slow traffic before it heads into

[2:11:47] town. Uh, and it would make it a lot

[2:11:49] safer and easier for folks to make a

[2:11:51] left on the Kinyatta, I'm sorry, on the

[2:11:53] Woodside Road coming from Whiskey Hill.

[2:11:56] Um, and then, uh, let's go to the next

[2:12:00] slide.

[2:12:02] So, this was the concept that there were

[2:12:04] a lot of concerns about roundabout

[2:12:05] safety. Um, and so it does fit um, the

[2:12:11] site, a mini roundabout. And basically a

[2:12:14] mini roundabout has uh uh the motorist

[2:12:17] is really focused on one oncoming car at

[2:12:20] a time. So you're you're not worried

[2:12:23] about two-way traffic flow. You're

[2:12:24] really just worried about one-way

[2:12:26] traffic flow. And so there's basically

[2:12:28] less uh you know different things to

[2:12:31] focus on. And there's a lot of research

[2:12:33] and data that shows that these modern

[2:12:36] roundabouts are actually a lot safer and

[2:12:39] have a lot less decision points than

[2:12:42] both standard standard intersections and

[2:12:45] um older roundabout designs that weren't

[2:12:47] quite as pedestrian oriented. These both

[2:12:50] have pedestrian refuges and then they

[2:12:52] neck down where the pedestrian crosses

[2:12:54] so they have a very short crossing

[2:12:56] point. Uh, this does not require stop

[2:12:59] sign coming into town, but it does it

[2:13:02] does slow traffic and it does facilitate

[2:13:05] um traffic from Whiskey Hill onto

[2:13:07] Woodside in both directions easier than

[2:13:10] it is today. It would also visually

[2:13:14] reduce the the amount of pavement uh

[2:13:16] increase the streetscape

[2:13:19] uh and kind of create a nice gateway

[2:13:21] moment into into the town. So we wanted

[2:13:25] to show these side by side so that um we

[2:13:28] could kind of compare the two. One is

[2:13:30] pretty straightforward and traditional

[2:13:32] uh and then the other has uh the

[2:13:34] roundabout concept.

[2:13:36] Uh so let's go to discussion.

[2:13:40] Yes.

[2:13:42] >> Okay. Thank you for making me first. I

[2:13:44] have lots of opinions on this one. This

[2:13:46] was actually brought to us in

[2:13:47] circulation years ago and there is

[2:13:50] actually a solution on the table that

[2:13:51] none of these Calrans has accepted it at

[2:13:53] the behest of Stacy Sevil who had

[2:13:54] advocated for it. They just haven't

[2:13:56] implemented it yet. Um I'll get to that

[2:13:58] in a second. My first question is is

[2:13:59] that roundabout Calrance truck legal?

[2:14:03] Uh, so Alta designed this so that it was

[2:14:06] emergency vehicle and and truck legal.

[2:14:08] And that center 56 foot fully mountable

[2:14:12] truck apron is set up so that a truck

[2:14:15] can go over that without an impact. It's really a graphic, you know, kind of

[2:14:20] visual cue with a very slight rise in

[2:14:22] it. So you won't want to go over it, but

[2:14:25] going over it really isn't a problem at

[2:14:27] all. But does that mean that you know

[2:14:28] construction trucks, delivery trucks are

[2:14:30] intended to go over it because they

[2:14:31] can't make the regular turn?

[2:14:33] >> Uh it's not an obstacle for them. So if

[2:14:36] they have to take a tight basically

[2:14:38] their radius can work by going over that

[2:14:41] without tipping their truck over or

[2:14:43] being an

[2:14:44] >> impediment, but that means now you're

[2:14:45] going to get tire marks and noise and

[2:14:47] stuff. It see Okay, I'll leave that to

[2:14:50] Calr and design. It seems to me like it

[2:14:52] may not fit.

[2:14:54] >> That's a technical thing. someone has

[2:14:55] the information to figure that out. So,

[2:14:58] I do not support the stop sign because

[2:15:00] again, more stop signs through this

[2:15:01] area. I don't think while again it will

[2:15:03] help certain safety things, it will slow

[2:15:05] things down and we'll all be hating

[2:15:06] ourselves on that sunny Saturday when

[2:15:08] traffic is backed up to the wazoo. The

[2:15:11] solution we came up with was to add a

[2:15:13] two-way center turn lane right on on

[2:15:16] your concept one, right where it says

[2:15:18] turn lane, but it faces in towards the

[2:15:21] business next to the gas station. If

[2:15:22] you're making a left from Whiskey Hill

[2:15:24] towards downtown Woodside, if you could

[2:15:26] pull into a center turn lane pocket, you

[2:15:28] only have to clear one direction of

[2:15:30] traffic at a time. So you make the left

[2:15:32] turn, you pause. Now you're merging with

[2:15:34] traffic that you should have sight lines

[2:15:36] on and you can see the current challenge

[2:15:38] is you have traffic coming from two

[2:15:40] sides up hills. You're checking both. I

[2:15:42] drove there today and you get stuck.

[2:15:44] Yeah. The center turn lane, which

[2:15:46] currently you cannot enter from this

[2:15:47] direction, solves that problem with just

[2:15:49] paint, minimal changes, and it leaves

[2:15:51] the flow the same. And it doesn't have

[2:15:53] any of the again, I like roundabouts. I

[2:15:54] don't know if it'll work here.

[2:15:56] >> So officially, Calrans has accepted

[2:15:58] this. Lord knows if the person who

[2:15:59] accepted it is still there.

[2:16:01] >> Yeah, it's a different discussion. Um,

[2:16:03] but to me, that was the most simple,

[2:16:04] elegant solution. Minimal changes, no

[2:16:07] stop signs, and it makes it easier and

[2:16:09] safer. I do support a crosswalk

[2:16:10] potentially lit actually because when

[2:16:12] people go to cross there, nobody sees

[2:16:13] them. So, I think a flashing RFB

[2:16:15] crosswalk there is a great idea. The

[2:16:17] center turn lane to me was the simplest,

[2:16:19] most elegant idea. I just want to put it

[2:16:20] out there.

[2:16:21] >> Great.

[2:16:22] >> Yeah, I think we should definitely add

[2:16:24] that.

[2:16:25] >> Send you guys.

[2:16:27] >> Great.

[2:16:27] >> Can I Can I ask a clarifying question?

[2:16:29] >> Yes, Julie.

[2:16:30] >> That like when we're coming from the

[2:16:31] side streets onto El Camino in certain

[2:16:34] places, that's the same. Okay. Yeah,

[2:16:36] that's a great idea. Basically, you can

[2:16:38] you could pause in the middle of the

[2:16:40] street safely, not break a rule, and

[2:16:43] then wait till essentially clear the

[2:16:45] next lane. So, you're doing one at a

[2:16:46] time.

[2:16:47] >> How Woodside Road works east of east of

[2:16:50] 280.

[2:16:52] >> It's like a merge lane, like a center

[2:16:54] merging lane, right?

[2:16:55] >> I actually really like the three-way

[2:16:57] stop, but I think it it should I mean,

[2:16:59] it's is an important place to slow

[2:17:01] people down coming into town. I think we

[2:17:04] want to set the the tone as soon as

[2:17:06] people come in. But I think I would

[2:17:07] modify it so that Woodside Road when

[2:17:10] you're westbound kind of inflex to the

[2:17:13] left so it gives you kind of an equal

[2:17:15] choice to drive down Woodside Road or

[2:17:17] Whiskey Hill Road. I think that would

[2:17:19] help divert a lot of traffic away from

[2:17:21] Town Center, which I think is consistent

[2:17:23] with the other things we're trying to to

[2:17:26] accomplish in this Town Center plan. And

[2:17:29] uh and I think, you know, a kind of

[2:17:31] equilateral three-way triangle here

[2:17:33] would be an easy intersection for people

[2:17:35] to navigate, but would give the clue

[2:17:37] that you're coming into town center and

[2:17:39] slow down.

[2:17:41] >> Thank you, Steve. Caroline,

[2:17:44] >> I really like this option that's just

[2:17:46] been brought up or doesn't sound like

[2:17:48] it's new, but you know that you've

[2:17:49] raised tonight to have that

[2:17:52] uh turn lane in the other direction or

[2:17:55] bumping out so that you can safely come

[2:17:57] and pause. I do that almost every day on

[2:18:00] Alpine Road um by Lera Oaks and and Lera

[2:18:03] Biancinis.

[2:18:05] The concern I see as a driver in that

[2:18:08] area is that sometimes the runway isn't

[2:18:10] long enough or doesn't feel long enough

[2:18:13] because you have to accelerate from a

[2:18:16] stop

[2:18:18] and cut in in front of cars, especially

[2:18:21] the ones coming from 280 into town.

[2:18:25] As you're coming out of the little

[2:18:26] pocket, it would feel like the runway

[2:18:29] would have to be long enough. and at

[2:18:32] least how it's shown there with the

[2:18:33] entry and exit to Chevron

[2:18:36] and this parking lot I guess or I guess

[2:18:39] that's the bank and pioneer but it

[2:18:41] doesn't seem like it's long enough and

[2:18:43] that's just one concern is that like you

[2:18:45] need a little bit of time to be able to

[2:18:47] accelerate and compete with the cars

[2:18:49] coming at you from the left and then the

[2:18:51] ones coming from behind you to merge in

[2:18:54] safely and I've found that the ones on

[2:18:56] Alpine

[2:18:58] by Biancini's Questa those are um really

[2:19:01] difficult a lot of times and it makes

[2:19:03] everyone slam on their brakes thinking

[2:19:05] someone's about to pull into the

[2:19:08] traffic.

[2:19:09] >> Great. Thank you, Carolyn.

[2:19:13] » Okay, any other comments?

[2:19:17] >> I have one about the uh stop signs.

[2:19:19] We're all complaining because it's a

[2:19:21] long run coming up from down the hill

[2:19:23] and there are many trucks in the morning

[2:19:24] and I drive it a lot as well. But if

[2:19:27] we're stopped anyway, what about if

[2:19:29] there is a stop sign? It's not going to

[2:19:31] cause us any further delay. It's just

[2:19:33] going to pause us so someone else could

[2:19:35] get out and make the turn into the lane.

[2:19:38] I don't see it as another stall.

[2:19:40] >> Thank you.

[2:19:44] Any other concepts or thoughts? Should

[2:19:47] we go on to the next slide?

[2:19:51] All right. Show of hands. Which concept

[2:19:53] do you support? uh son's com uh concept

[2:19:57] which he'll send to us and we'll get up

[2:20:00] there uh which includes the merger uh

[2:20:03] turn lane. Uh do we want to see hands of

[2:20:06] support to what he described?

[2:20:08] >> Yeah.

[2:20:11] >> Okay.

[2:20:11] >> There's a three-way stop.

[2:20:15] >> Couple three. Great. Okay. Mini

[2:20:18] roundabout.

[2:20:22] » Okay. I actually I think it was brought

[2:20:24] up.

[2:20:26] >> I don't know if that roundabout I mean

[2:20:29] >> talk about semis going around that thing

[2:20:31] the one that has to go when they're

[2:20:32] going eastbound. I don't think they can

[2:20:35] make that turn if you put that slide up.

[2:20:37] >> I mean you ever drive a 60 foot long

[2:20:39] truck?

[2:20:40] >> Uh it that it's got to go up Whiskey

[2:20:43] Hill Road and then back down Woodside

[2:20:45] Road.

[2:20:47] Did they really?

[2:20:48] >> So, Alta um did the design of the

[2:20:51] roundabout. They do roundabouts all over

[2:20:53] the country. And we could ask them, it's

[2:20:57] a great question, and you won't be the

[2:20:58] only one who asks it. So, we could ask

[2:21:01] them to add the truck movement

[2:21:04] simulation um and how a semi or or horse

[2:21:08] trailer um being pulled behind a a truck

[2:21:12] would would get around that. I think

[2:21:14] that's valid. Um,

[2:21:19] okay.

[2:21:24] » Julie,

[2:21:25] >> um, I I mean, if if I'm just looking at

[2:21:28] this in isolation, I like

[2:21:30] Assange's idea about the pulloff, but

[2:21:33] I'm wondering if um it would be worth if

[2:21:36] we're considering one, maybe two

[2:21:38] roundabouts. If we were gonna have two,

[2:21:41] I would think it would be more

[2:21:42] compelling because you get used to that

[2:21:44] pathway. And I know that Stanford did

[2:21:47] this and I have to think they thought

[2:21:49] long and hard about it. And while I

[2:21:51] don't intuitively like them, I'm from

[2:21:52] Massachusetts, they're a nightmare

[2:21:54] there. But um it works well when I'm on Stanford's

[2:22:00] campus and I know they're careful about

[2:22:02] their pedestrians and their students. So

[2:22:03] I wonder if it's worth like small case

[2:22:05] study for to educate us in this and to

[2:22:08] understand if two roundabouts might be

[2:22:10] our most beneficial approach even though

[2:22:12] we all viscerally feel negatively about

[2:22:16] them.

[2:22:16] >> I I did an overlay of of one of the

[2:22:19] Stamford roundabouts on Kinata Woodside

[2:22:21] intersection and it goes pretty much

[2:22:24] from from their building to the corner

[2:22:27] of Roberts. It just isn't enough room

[2:22:29] for it. They're way bigger than what

[2:22:30] would fit in either of these locations.

[2:22:34] So, one one element of this that we

[2:22:36] didn't talk about that I like is the

[2:22:39] whether we did the the the version zero

[2:22:41] or the version one is that you've

[2:22:43] created a better corner here across from

[2:22:46] the bank pioneer. Again, a potentially a

[2:22:49] place for some public art or a gateway

[2:22:51] to the town that could work with the

[2:22:54] Nissan Turn Lane as well too, right? So,

[2:22:56] but the more of these things that'll

[2:22:58] kind of define the town center and have

[2:23:00] the ability to put something cool there.

[2:23:03] >> Yeah, I like that. That's a nice idea.

[2:23:05] >> Great. Thank you,

[2:23:08] >> Troy. Anything else?

[2:23:09] >> I think that's good feedback. And let's

[2:23:13] move on to our last area.

[2:23:17] >> So, uh this is our last area. I think

[2:23:21] it's a fairly short discussion. Uh this

[2:23:24] is basically from Whiskey Hill out

[2:23:26] towards the freeway connecting to the

[2:23:28] east side. Let's go to the next slide.

[2:23:32] So initial feedback members highlighted

[2:23:35] the need to improve access from East

[2:23:37] Woodside by upgrading pedestrian bike

[2:23:39] connections and facilities. Uh cars were

[2:23:42] voted as the highest mode priority

[2:23:44] followed by bicycles. Um so in the uh

[2:23:49] concept one that we're showing here uh

[2:23:51] you have a total width of 45 to 48 ft

[2:23:54] and uh bike lane on the the side going

[2:24:00] out towards uh going east and then

[2:24:03] inboard we would have uh the multi the

[2:24:06] bike lane plus a multi-use pave path in

[2:24:09] the shoulder. Uh the challenge is that

[2:24:11] the street section transforms

[2:24:14] substantially between Whiskey Hill and

[2:24:17] the freeway itself. So uh there are

[2:24:20] varying cost implications that go with

[2:24:22] creating uh pedestrian connectivity

[2:24:24] along that. Um and then the second

[2:24:28] concept was to reopen the pedestrian

[2:24:30] tunnel under I280.

[2:24:33] Um is there another slide, Troy? I think

[2:24:36] that was just a short one. Yeah, that's

[2:24:38] basically it. So I think you know those

[2:24:41] are kind of two ideas to uh there's

[2:24:44] limited options in a way on on this

[2:24:47] stretch of road for enhancing the

[2:24:49] facilities. Um but if there's interest

[2:24:53] in exploring the multi-use paved path um

[2:24:58] you know a closer look at all those

[2:24:59] shoulder conditions would determine you

[2:25:02] know where does it get really expensive

[2:25:04] to expand that shoulder to accommodate

[2:25:07] that movement. Are you thinking of that

[2:25:08] on the on the uh south or the north side

[2:25:12] of what's

[2:25:12] >> north? Excuse me. Excuse me. North the

[2:25:15] north side where the shoulder is wider

[2:25:18] >> on the north side. So the Okay. So the

[2:25:20] opposite of where

[2:25:21] >> tunnel

[2:25:22] >> that's that why they're talking about

[2:25:23] the tunnel that's over. Yeah.

[2:25:25] >> You could connect that up then with the

[2:25:26] tunnel.

[2:25:27] >> The path that's going from Alama to 280

[2:25:29] is on the south side, right?

[2:25:34] » On the other side of the freeway.

[2:25:36] >> Yes. So there's a So the town is getting

[2:25:38] ready to install a pathway on the south

[2:25:40] side of

[2:25:41] >> Woodside Road from the high school

[2:25:43] basically to 280.

[2:25:44] >> Okay.

[2:25:45] >> And so there would need to be a cross do

[2:25:47] a cross over and then switch to the

[2:25:49] north side, but just wanted to make sure

[2:25:50] you guys knew that.

[2:25:51] >> Yeah, that's a good point.

[2:25:52] >> Yeah, thank you.

[2:25:53] >> Um and I don't know that the tunnel's

[2:25:55] closed.

[2:25:56] >> I think it's open, but it's not there's

[2:25:59] not great connectivity to it, but you

[2:26:01] can I think you can walk through there

[2:26:02] today.

[2:26:03] >> Okay. Maybe it's a question of

[2:26:04] enhancement and sort of rehab.

[2:26:07] >> The problem is it really doesn't go

[2:26:09] anywhere is that the the pro the

[2:26:10] challenge with the tunnel is there's not

[2:26:12] good connectivity to Woodside Heights or

[2:26:14] to this new path that's getting fixed.

[2:26:16] So if if it'd be a nice way to create

[2:26:18] connectivity from Woodside Heights to

[2:26:20] Town Center, I'm sorry, Woodside Hills

[2:26:22] with the addition of there would need to

[2:26:24] be some new um access because the only

[2:26:27] way to get through is almost all the way

[2:26:28] to Barkley Park. So there's not any cut

[2:26:31] through currently that could get you to,

[2:26:33] you know, kind of the middle of Woodside

[2:26:34] Hills. That's that will be the challenge

[2:26:35] in this model.

[2:26:37] >> So people aren't using it currently.

[2:26:40] >> There's a limited limited use

[2:26:42] pedestrians. I don't think there's any

[2:26:43] equestrians anymore that use it, but

[2:26:45] it's very limited because it's hard to

[2:26:47] get to the tunnel from Woodside Hills.

[2:26:50] You can either do it through Barkley

[2:26:52] Park or there's a fenced off alleyway

[2:26:55] that's a like a P Genesis access to it

[2:26:57] that's hard to squeeze through.

[2:26:59] And to come through Barklay Park, you

[2:27:02] have to go through the holes in the

[2:27:03] fence.

[2:27:04] >> Yeah. So, it's a long So, it's not great

[2:27:06] to It's a great idea.

[2:27:08] Love the idea of connectivity between

[2:27:10] what and the residents are would like

[2:27:11] connectivity under the freeway to Town

[2:27:13] Center,

[2:27:14] >> but I think it's very separate than this

[2:27:16] idea, which is think about a safe route

[2:27:18] to school for kids going from town

[2:27:20] center to Woodside High,

[2:27:22] >> right? Which wouldn't inv you couldn't

[2:27:23] involve the tunnel.

[2:27:24] >> They're completely independent ideas.

[2:27:26] >> Yeah, they're two separate ideas. I I

[2:27:29] think it would be great if if the shared

[2:27:31] use path could stay on the south side,

[2:27:33] but the road is right up against the

[2:27:35] bank there. It would be if it if money

[2:27:38] weren't an object, you just move the

[2:27:40] road over 8 ft and pit it on that side.

[2:27:42] But I think money probably is a huge

[2:27:44] object in this case. So, we're going to

[2:27:47] need two crosswalks to

[2:27:48] >> people can cross.

[2:27:50] >> Okay, great.

[2:27:53] All right. Any other comments on this

[2:27:56] before we Yes, Sue.

[2:27:59] >> For me, it would be helpful to see a

[2:28:00] bird's eyee view of Woodside Road from

[2:28:03] the little store or or Kings Mountain to

[2:28:06] Whiskey Hill so I could see the tur the

[2:28:10] deterred lanes and you know we've seen

[2:28:12] in segments but see how everything

[2:28:14] continues together. Thank you.

[2:28:16] >> Great. Yeah, we'll definitely get there

[2:28:18] as soon as we start piecing the

[2:28:20] different ideas together. For sure.

[2:28:22] Um,

[2:28:23] >> yeah, I think that's a great idea. That

[2:28:25] could be something in the final plan

[2:28:26] that really paints the picture of what

[2:28:28] the vision that we want to see for this

[2:28:30] whole area. I think that'll

[2:28:31] >> the pieces will fit together a little

[2:28:33] better there.

[2:28:35] All right. Um, well, this is kind of all

[2:28:37] the ideas we put on the table tonight.

[2:28:39] You guys had some new ideas that um

[2:28:42] we're going to add into the mix and a

[2:28:44] couple that we're going to kind of

[2:28:45] modify and generate new ideas. So,

[2:28:47] really, really helpful feedback. Um,

[2:28:51] thank you for that. Um, so I know we're

[2:28:54] a little over time. Um, but we're just

[2:28:57] going to do a quick uh housing

[2:29:00] discussion and then we'll move to public

[2:29:02] comment and closing.

[2:29:04] >> Um, so just quickly uh I'll choose this.

[2:29:07] It's fine. Um, so just quickly kind of

[2:29:10] pulling ourselves back over to housing.

[2:29:12] Um, I know we had a lot of talk about

[2:29:15] transportation at this meeting and the

[2:29:17] last meeting, but also housing has been

[2:29:18] on our agenda. Um, and so I think we're

[2:29:21] aware of some of the key issues is that

[2:29:23] there's a lot of constraints and we were

[2:29:25] talking about some of them tonight about

[2:29:26] why um, properties may not de develop or

[2:29:30] redevelop. Um, we have small parcels, we

[2:29:33] have zoning, we have parking

[2:29:35] requirements, other restrictions, you

[2:29:37] have the ballot measures which limit

[2:29:39] your building heights. Um, so before we

[2:29:41] even talk about those purple boxes, we

[2:29:43] would need to talk about um, building

[2:29:45] heights and ballot measures. Um,

[2:29:47] adaptive reuse is not really currently

[2:29:50] allowed. Um, workforce housing is not

[2:29:53] really a thing. Um, and as we all know,

[2:29:56] the housing we're were here in part

[2:29:58] largely because the housing element

[2:30:00] asked us to look at housing in the town

[2:30:03] center and you know, we took the

[2:30:04] opportunity to look at parking and

[2:30:06] transportation as well. But, uh,

[2:30:08] originally housing was sort of the

[2:30:10] genesis for this effort. Um and you know

[2:30:13] we we went out to the community in the

[2:30:16] first sort of phase and there was a lot

[2:30:18] of split opinions um kind of down the

[2:30:20] middle on housing. Um so that's where we

[2:30:23] are today. Um so last time we met as a

[2:30:27] group and we kind of ran out of time at

[2:30:29] the end to to talk about housing. So we

[2:30:32] sent you guys home with a little

[2:30:33] homework um and a survey and so kind of

[2:30:36] just wanted to circle back on that and

[2:30:39] kind of report out the results. Uh we

[2:30:42] asked you know should this group should

[2:30:44] housing be allowed in the town center

[2:30:46] and overall um you know over threearters

[2:30:49] of you said yes uh for one reason or

[2:30:52] another. The biggest reason being the

[2:30:54] design of that housing um being

[2:30:57] important and that it's aligned with you

[2:30:59] know some of the needs um workforce

[2:31:02] needs and other needs that we were

[2:31:04] talking about. Um, so just kind of

[2:31:06] putting that back out to the group. That

[2:31:08] was the consensus. Um, of course there

[2:31:11] are some folks who are no unsure. Um,

[2:31:14] but that was kind of where we landed.

[2:31:16] And then specifically we asked, you

[2:31:19] know, okay, yes, housing, well, what

[2:31:21] does that mean to you? Um, and generally

[2:31:25] most folks fell in the twostory range

[2:31:28] being what felt right. Few folks said,

[2:31:31] you know, keep it lower and a few folks

[2:31:33] said keep it go higher to go three

[2:31:35] stories. Um but there was generally um

[2:31:40] not interest in in larger scale

[2:31:42] developments and there was some other

[2:31:45] comments about you know how it's

[2:31:46] important that we'll need to provide

[2:31:48] parking um for for new housing.

[2:31:52] So um that was the feedback we received

[2:31:55] and now this chart is just I'll just

[2:31:56] summarize it briefly but I just wanted

[2:31:58] to kind of convey that as you know we've

[2:32:00] been talking here a lot of these ideas

[2:32:02] are are longer term concepts and

[2:32:05] policies that will ultimately result in

[2:32:07] something but this plan itself does not

[2:32:10] build housing per se or build a new road

[2:32:13] per se but we're going to go through

[2:32:14] this process we'll have these meetings

[2:32:17] we'll go through a sequel process we'll

[2:32:19] adopt the plan which which will contain

[2:32:21] policy statements and then those could

[2:32:24] result in the first step being

[2:32:26] potentially a ballot measure to change

[2:32:28] some of the current ballot measures in

[2:32:30] place. Um that would be a prerequisite

[2:32:33] for certain types of housing

[2:32:34] development. There are also options that

[2:32:37] could proceed with just zoning action by

[2:32:39] staff or council. um that wouldn't

[2:32:42] necessarily require ballot measures, but

[2:32:44] you could have a ballot measure followed

[2:32:45] by a zoning change and then that would

[2:32:47] result in either the private property

[2:32:50] owner choosing voluntarily of their own

[2:32:52] desire to redevelop under a new zoning

[2:32:55] regime or in the case of if it's a

[2:32:58] public property like the village hill,

[2:32:59] the town would you partner with a

[2:33:01] developer. Um, but just to lay out kind

[2:33:03] of the steps here that starts with

[2:33:05] policy, it goes potentially to the

[2:33:07] ballot box, then it goes to zoning

[2:33:10] changes, and then we see development

[2:33:12] itself. So, we're a few steps removed um

[2:33:15] from that. Uh, but with that, I just

[2:33:18] wanted to give ourselves a little bit

[2:33:19] more space and time to talk about

[2:33:21] housing. Um, if there's any additional

[2:33:23] feedback that you particularly would

[2:33:26] like for us to convey to the council as

[2:33:28] we go next week, um, now is the time to

[2:33:31] share it with us. Um, so I'll just open

[2:33:34] the floor there.

[2:33:39] » Yeah. So, a bunch of comments. I think

[2:33:41] it would be wise as the town to focus uh

[2:33:46] particular attention on parcels the town

[2:33:50] controls. The town holds fee title to

[2:33:53] whether that's village hill or it's the

[2:33:56] parcel adjoining town hall. I I would

[2:33:59] prioritize those. I think those have the

[2:34:02] most potential where the town staff has

[2:34:06] full power. No incentives are needed.

[2:34:09] the town could perhaps contribute some

[2:34:13] part or all of that land to a developer,

[2:34:16] allowing that developer to step in and

[2:34:20] presumably as a nonprofit fund the

[2:34:22] buildout of housing. Uh it eliminates

[2:34:26] the third party. It eliminates a third

[2:34:28] party uh private property owner. I'm not

[2:34:31] saying it can't be done on private

[2:34:33] property, but again, Town Center is

[2:34:35] very, very small, relatively small with

[2:34:39] a number of parcels that are extremely

[2:34:41] small. And today, we haven't focused on

[2:34:44] the bigger parcels owned by private

[2:34:46] property, presumably because they've

[2:34:48] gone through the same process others

[2:34:51] have gone through. They've already been

[2:34:52] built out. They're already occupied. Um,

[2:34:55] there's likely going to be no change. So

[2:34:57] that tells me if I'm the town, it's wise

[2:35:00] to focus on those parcels where I have

[2:35:02] control and in town center there are two

[2:35:04] of them. Uh second is at the beginning

[2:35:08] of the meeting we talked about Sage

[2:35:09] talked about policy setting policy and

[2:35:12] yet I don't see that on this final

[2:35:15] slide. So my idea would be it may be

[2:35:18] wise to add something in here about

[2:35:21] policy. Maybe that's a separate line, a

[2:35:24] separate option. Option four, step one.

[2:35:28] I don't know, but you may want to flush

[2:35:31] that all out. Oh, okay. So, yeah. So, I

[2:35:36] haven't seen this. So, the earlier ones,

[2:35:38] okay, council approves zoning changes.

[2:35:41] Okay. But I still don't see policy

[2:35:44] updates. I see zoning changes in option

[2:35:48] three and four. So my idea would be to

[2:35:50] add a fifth option.

[2:35:52] >> Sure.

[2:35:53] >> Good point.

[2:35:53] >> Final item. What's going to town council

[2:35:57] and when is it going? Is it a does it

[2:36:00] require a staff report by good city

[2:36:03] company? A staff report by Sage and O

[2:36:05] overview by stage and Sage. And when

[2:36:09] does that go out? When does the public

[2:36:11] see it?

[2:36:12] >> Are you asking about next week's

[2:36:13] meeting? Yeah. And staff, do you want to

[2:36:15] or do you want me to take that?

[2:36:19] So the staff report will be worked on uh

[2:36:21] I believe between Good City and the and

[2:36:25] uh Sage we will have a combined staff

[2:36:27] report and the agenda packet will go out

[2:36:29] no later than this Friday and the

[2:36:31] meeting is on Tuesday, April 28th at 7

[2:36:35] p.m.

[2:36:36] >> Great. Thanks.

[2:36:44] Um, I apologize if we've seen this in

[2:36:47] the past, but I think it's hard to say

[2:36:50] yes or no without having a sense of the

[2:36:52] magnitude. I can't remember how many um

[2:36:56] units the town has to build, how many

[2:36:58] they have agreed upon in different

[2:37:00] places, whether those are still moving

[2:37:02] forward or not. Are we talking five or

[2:37:05] 100 units in town? Um, I think that's

[2:37:08] all really important context. Uh,

[2:37:11] because yeah, maybe some two-story

[2:37:12] buildings to have a few apartments is

[2:37:14] one thing, but you know, it it really it

[2:37:17] really changes depending on um that

[2:37:20] order of magnitude.

[2:37:22] And um

[2:37:25] when you get to some of the public

[2:37:27] spaces, I think that we also have to

[2:37:30] think about the trade-offs that we've

[2:37:32] been talking about in terms of keeping

[2:37:34] Woodside rustic and having gathering

[2:37:37] spaces and protecting our trails and our

[2:37:39] equestrian areas. Um, I live close to

[2:37:42] Village Hill and I know that all of the

[2:37:44] neighbors in that area and those around

[2:37:47] Mountain Home would feel, you know,

[2:37:50] really wronged in so many ways if there

[2:37:52] were to be development there, never mind

[2:37:55] what it would do to the character of our

[2:37:57] town to lose that area with the horses.

[2:38:03] So quick ad, I agree with that statement

[2:38:05] in full and I think it ties back to the

[2:38:07] statement I made at the very first

[2:38:10] meeting. The town has the best

[2:38:12] affordable housing site available to it.

[2:38:15] It's at Kinyatta College. The state

[2:38:17] really needs to step in here and satisfy

[2:38:20] that requirement itself. Utilities are

[2:38:24] there, storm drains are there, sewers

[2:38:26] are there, water, electric, power, it's

[2:38:30] all set to go. You have all those

[2:38:33] engineering constraints. Again,

[2:38:35] technically possible

[2:38:37] but difficult.

[2:38:40] Uh you have it all in place there. So it

[2:38:43] almost seems to me like the best

[2:38:45] solution perhaps in parallel is a

[2:38:47] political solution behind closed doors

[2:38:50] with the state to trade something for

[2:38:53] the state to step in and take that land

[2:38:56] and use it. It's gorgeous. affordable

[2:39:00] housing up there would make so much

[2:39:02] sense and change the requirement to

[2:39:05] accommodate a town like Woodside that is

[2:39:07] very unique with parcels that are

[2:39:09] predominantly built out, highly rural,

[2:39:13] hardly any commercial to its detriment.

[2:39:15] It relies on property taxes. Um where's

[2:39:18] that housing going to go in sufficient

[2:39:21] numbers? This is an edict from on high

[2:39:24] at rates that make no sense in this

[2:39:26] town. They make no sense in Athetherton

[2:39:28] either. It's crazy. There's an incentive

[2:39:31] though to work behind closed doors with

[2:39:33] the state to do something. I'd love to

[2:39:36] see you guys do something up there uh

[2:39:40] state and town design something great.

[2:39:45] » Great. Any other thoughts about town

[2:39:47] center housing?

[2:39:49] >> So, I I liked the direction in our last

[2:39:53] meeting where this went. I I felt like

[2:39:55] there was some consensus that said well

[2:39:57] you saw the numbers there which was

[2:40:00] don't force anybody to do anything but

[2:40:03] allow for appropriately designed denser

[2:40:05] housing in the town center corridor

[2:40:07] which broadly would be from aces to kind

[2:40:10] of down by Kings Mountain along Woodside

[2:40:11] Road right there's there um over the

[2:40:14] next 25 years if I'm a property owner

[2:40:17] and all of a sudden my land is worth two

[2:40:19] or three times as much because I can add

[2:40:21] you know I can either keep it a single

[2:40:23] family home or add a little bit of

[2:40:25] density again in with in moderation.

[2:40:27] Nobody's talking about San Mateo or

[2:40:29] crazy big stuff. I I felt like that was

[2:40:32] a pretty good compromise and would be if

[2:40:35] I was a homeowner along Woodside Road,

[2:40:36] I'd kind of all of a sudden my land's

[2:40:38] worth three times more, I'd feel pretty

[2:40:40] good about it. Um, and I discussed that

[2:40:42] with a bunch of a bunch of residents and

[2:40:44] people thought that made sense. Um the other thing that you know happened

[2:40:50] recently was a couple of council

[2:40:52] meetings ago there were kind of a we had

[2:40:54] a very full room of pitchforks and

[2:40:56] torches over this um proposal to uh take

[2:41:01] CALR land and build a highdensity

[2:41:03] housing on it um off of Farm Hill. And

[2:41:06] so, you know, about 40 I just think we I

[2:41:08] want to make sure we're all sensitive to

[2:41:10] about 40% of the town's residents live

[2:41:12] in Woodside Hills and Woodside Heights

[2:41:14] east of 280 and they feel crammed down

[2:41:17] on where all of the dense housing. They

[2:41:20] feel like it's all being stuck on them.

[2:41:21] And so the the Kinata Roads, I think,

[2:41:23] far enough away maybe there's some more

[2:41:25] insulation, but those guys feel like,

[2:41:27] you know, how come the rest of Woodside

[2:41:29] isn't taking on its fair share and doing

[2:41:31] some anywhere else? And so I just wanted

[2:41:34] to make sure you guys understood those

[2:41:35] feelings coming from 40% of our

[2:41:37] residents that they're they're like it's

[2:41:39] just seems silly to them. We wouldn't do

[2:41:41] a little or some in the town center

[2:41:43] corridor because it just you know it's where would be walkable to retail

[2:41:47] and walkable to the store and where

[2:41:49] you'd put town employees, all that kind

[2:41:51] of stuff. So that's the that's the

[2:41:53] sentiment I get from our residents,

[2:41:54] those two things.

[2:41:58] But I think for housing that the town

[2:42:02] would be well served to look, you know,

[2:42:04] to the missing middle as they say in

[2:42:06] planning for housing to to allow people

[2:42:09] much like Dan is saying to allow people

[2:42:11] to do more on their houses particularly

[2:42:14] if it's in good locations to

[2:42:16] transportation and utilities and

[2:42:18] whatnot. I think instead of trying to

[2:42:20] look for projects the town can build

[2:42:22] except for maybe a few. Uh if we if we

[2:42:26] change zoning to allow uh higher

[2:42:29] densities in the right locations and let

[2:42:32] people do that on a small scale, we're

[2:42:34] going to be much better served than

[2:42:35] institutionalsized

[2:42:37] projects. Uh I think there's some

[2:42:39] evidence that that uh you know one-off

[2:42:42] projects with small numbers of units is

[2:42:45] actually cheaper to build than than mega

[2:42:47] projects. This is mega projects depend

[2:42:49] on public funding, but it's cheaper to

[2:42:52] build ADUs basically or forplexes for

[2:42:54] that matter.

[2:43:00] » I don't have much to add. I think Daniel

[2:43:02] said it very well. I mean, the the

[2:43:04] impact has to be spread around. Now I

[2:43:06] get Richard thinks that it's great to

[2:43:08] put it all at Kinyatta College unless

[2:43:10] you live next to Kinyatta College and

[2:43:12] it's not necessarily

[2:43:14] I I know the people who live near

[2:43:16] Village Hill think that it's going to be

[2:43:19] an abortion to put something on Village

[2:43:21] Hill but that load has to be spread

[2:43:23] throughout town. Now, I appreciate that,

[2:43:26] you know, we've seen Village Hill

[2:43:28] vacant, or at least I've seen it vacant

[2:43:30] for 68 years, but, you know, things

[2:43:32] might need to change and, you know,

[2:43:34] somebody might have to look at that.

[2:43:36] And, you know, I, you know, I don't

[2:43:39] think you can pack them all into one

[2:43:41] person's district or one certain area in

[2:43:43] this town. I think it's got to be spread

[2:43:45] throughout. And like Steve Buben says,

[2:43:48] um, maybe there's got to be more like a

[2:43:51] overall town zoning overlay. So, right

[2:43:53] next to your house, somebody could put

[2:43:55] up a 4unit, you know, multif family

[2:43:57] thing. It's it should be throughout

[2:44:00] town. I mean, we're seeing it with

[2:44:02] actually I guess you can have four ADUs

[2:44:04] in your main residence. We're already

[2:44:06] looking at five. So, you know, that's

[2:44:10] maybe the the way it should go. But I

[2:44:11] don't think anything should be a sacred

[2:44:13] cow. I think you know it's village hill

[2:44:15] or it's this you know parcel next to the

[2:44:18] museum where the gazebo somebody

[2:44:20] mentioned the gazebo that was going I

[2:44:22] think down in the there's a valley here

[2:44:24] below the uh the museum but uh I think everybody's

[2:44:31] going to have to see some intense

[2:44:34] housing intensity but it shouldn't be

[2:44:35] just

[2:44:37] pushed out to one area so

[2:44:44] It's not. It's idiotic. But you're now

[2:44:46] actually

[2:44:48] what the state wants is idiotic, which

[2:44:50] Richard pointed out, but I don't know.

[2:44:52] We are living in a state that maybe some

[2:44:55] things are idiotic.

[2:44:57] >> Okay. Well,

[2:45:00] >> now back to the one of the on the slide

[2:45:03] of one of the choices was adaptive

[2:45:05] reuse. And actually you brought it up at

[2:45:07] one of the meetings that you'd be cons

[2:45:09] Nobody came to you and said, "Well, how

[2:45:11] about if I want to open up the hotel and

[2:45:13] put housing up there or put something on

[2:45:15] top of Gilbert Center?" So I think the

[2:45:18] >> Yeah. So

[2:45:20] >> not under our watch,

[2:45:22] >> but I think adaptive reuse of those

[2:45:24] areas in town center, I mean, and so it

[2:45:27] kind of goes against what Richard says.

[2:45:29] Nobody's going to want to modify their

[2:45:32] current structures. Um, but maybe

[2:45:34] somebody here would. So, or as you were

[2:45:38] saying, Troy, you know, we're looking at

[2:45:40] a plan that's got to last the next 50

[2:45:42] years. So,

[2:45:45] if the possibilities are there, it could

[2:45:48] make a big difference. So, that's what

[2:45:51] that's got to be decided. Now,

[2:45:53] >> I would echo the remarks of the last few

[2:45:55] speakers about um having the council

[2:45:58] seriously consider

[2:46:01] um having a zoning overlay to allow

[2:46:03] individual property owners to develop a

[2:46:06] single family lot to something more

[2:46:08] intense like a forplex, something along

[2:46:11] those lines. Um, it's probably also

[2:46:14] worth pointing out that unfortunately

[2:46:17] when we start talking about multifamily

[2:46:19] housing,

[2:46:21] the reality is if you

[2:46:25] um lots that are developed more

[2:46:27] intensely,

[2:46:28] um, implicit in that is they have to be

[2:46:32] um, very adjacent to a sewer line and

[2:46:35] that really geographically limits what

[2:46:38] parts of Woodside that burden falls on.

[2:46:41] And that just unfortunately for Woodside

[2:46:44] that's reality.

[2:46:58] All right. Um appreciate the feedback.

[2:47:00] Lots of good thoughts. Um I think we can

[2:47:02] take these different ideas and opinions

[2:47:05] and carry these forward faithfully to

[2:47:07] the council. Um and then we'll circle

[2:47:10] back with this group next time. Um just

[2:47:13] for your information, there's some talk

[2:47:14] been some talk about kind of financial

[2:47:16] feasibility and all that. We we are

[2:47:18] doing our team some analysis of um

[2:47:21] residential feasibility, what it would

[2:47:24] look like for a site to realistically

[2:47:26] develop with residential. So I think

[2:47:28] that will help a little bit provide some

[2:47:30] color with some of the questions Dan and

[2:47:32] Richard were talking about in terms of

[2:47:33] is it really realistic? And we'll have a

[2:47:35] little bit more clarity on that. um when

[2:47:38] we come back. But I think for that now,

[2:47:41] unless there's any clo closing comments,

[2:47:43] we'll move to the public comment

[2:47:46] section. Julie,

[2:47:55] » and just a note for those online, if you

[2:47:57] would like to make a comment, please use

[2:47:58] the raise hand feature and we'll call on

[2:48:00] you when it's your turn to speak.

[2:48:03] >> Thalia Lubin, is this word? Thalia

[2:48:05] Luben. um sort of bits and pieces of

[2:48:08] comments. Um

[2:48:12] if if we can do anything to slow or stop

[2:48:16] the through traffic in Woodside,

[2:48:19] um I think that would alleviate a lot of

[2:48:22] problems. Um you could put in four stop

[2:48:25] signs as far as I'm concerned and maybe

[2:48:27] it would go on ways that you can't cut

[2:48:30] through town when northbound 280 is

[2:48:33] backed up. We live off Kinyatta Road and

[2:48:35] there's days where I can't even get onto

[2:48:38] Kinyatta Road. Uh I did go to Jean

[2:48:41] Savvery and ask her about this whole

[2:48:44] ways situation. She says those are

[2:48:46] public roads. We can't really do

[2:48:48] anything

[2:48:50] to change the mapping and when the

[2:48:52] freeway shuts down. Um

[2:48:56] I So that's one idea. Uh maybe we need

[2:48:59] to back out and look at a master plan

[2:49:01] and try to divert traffic Whiskey Hill,

[2:49:04] Sand Hill to Portola Road. So if you

[2:49:07] want to go to La Honda and you're coming

[2:49:09] through Woodside,

[2:49:11] that's going to be your best route

[2:49:12] because the rest of town is going to

[2:49:14] have too many narrow lanes and stop

[2:49:16] signs. So I'd like to kind of look at

[2:49:18] the bigger picture of this whole thing.

[2:49:22] Um,

[2:49:23] other idea to Sue's point, I think if

[2:49:26] the back alley were turned into a a more

[2:49:30] pleasant street,

[2:49:32] you would be okay to park there and walk

[2:49:34] to the bank from the post office, maybe,

[2:49:37] you know. So, so I think the concept is great. Um, another idea is we, Steve

[2:49:45] and I have visited a lot of revamped

[2:49:47] downtowns and they have this backend

[2:49:50] parking. Right now, all of us pull out

[2:49:53] of perpendicular

[2:49:55] parking when we back out. And I can tell

[2:49:58] you when I'm at Robert's, if I'm on

[2:50:00] Mountain Home side, I back in cuz I have

[2:50:02] a little car and I can't see coming out

[2:50:06] if I'm backing out. If I could take all

[2:50:09] of you to one of these diagonal backin

[2:50:12] parking situations that we've seen in

[2:50:14] some of these downtowns, I think you

[2:50:17] would all really like it. It really

[2:50:19] works. And it's it's much easier if

[2:50:22] you're heading this direction to back in

[2:50:23] at an angle and then when you get in,

[2:50:26] you can see before you when you're going

[2:50:29] out. Um, and finally, I want to say a

[2:50:32] big thank you to the consultants. Um, I

[2:50:34] think they've done a great job and as an

[2:50:37] architect I hear some of you, some of

[2:50:40] your comments are like they've already

[2:50:42] built it and look out. And I think what

[2:50:45] we're trying to do here is come out with

[2:50:47] a master plan that will last for a long

[2:50:50] time. There may be changes in ownership,

[2:50:52] different buildings, different

[2:50:54] situations.

[2:50:55] Um,

[2:50:57] so I'd like to see us come out with a

[2:50:59] what I call a conceptual master plan

[2:51:01] that we can refer to and and implement

[2:51:05] incrementally

[2:51:06] and as situations change, we can have

[2:51:09] more feedback. But um I I would

[2:51:13] appreciate all of your comments, but I'd

[2:51:15] like you to keep your minds open for

[2:51:17] other possibilities and how to feed off

[2:51:19] each other with your ideas so that we

[2:51:22] can make Woodside better, safer,

[2:51:24] prettier. Um some of you may remember

[2:51:27] that Calrans came through and widened

[2:51:30] from Hiendas to Roberts when 280 was

[2:51:33] going in. We had no choice about that.

[2:51:36] we have a choice about this and we can

[2:51:38] all have input and and make it better.

[2:51:41] So, thank you.

[2:51:47] » Moving to the speakers online, um Lee

[2:51:50] Prince.

[2:51:59] Good evening.

[2:52:02] Uh my name is Lee Prince. I am a land

[2:52:04] use attorney representing Roberts. I

[2:52:07] want to thank everyone for the good

[2:52:09] discussion tonight regarding these

[2:52:10] transportation concepts. Some of the

[2:52:13] concepts made this evening, some of the

[2:52:15] comments made this evening that led to

[2:52:17] the direction to reook at the area B

[2:52:19] concepts are similar to the comments I

[2:52:21] will make on behalf of Roberts, the main

[2:52:23] property owner impacted by these

[2:52:25] proposals.

[2:52:27] Before I get to specific comments on

[2:52:29] area B, I want to note that the

[2:52:31] objective to prioritize residents over

[2:52:33] visitors by limiting parking contradicts

[2:52:36] the priority to provide for resident

[2:52:38] amenities like outdoor dining that

[2:52:40] require more parking to be viable, both

[2:52:42] from a municipal code parking

[2:52:44] requirement perspective and from a

[2:52:46] financial feasibility perspective.

[2:52:48] Roberts is intimately familiar with the

[2:52:50] financial difficulties associated with

[2:52:52] the impact of limited parking in this

[2:52:54] commercial area of town. And from

[2:52:56] Robert's perspective, the concept

[2:52:58] proposals for area B, rather than being

[2:53:01] an improvement, will place a burden on

[2:53:03] Roberts, which I heard the consultant

[2:53:04] say is not the goal of these concepts.

[2:53:09] Moving the concepts in area B forward

[2:53:12] should be paused until the Roberts and

[2:53:14] the town can dig into the issue of the

[2:53:16] size of the private parcel and the scope

[2:53:18] of the public right ofway. Roberts has

[2:53:20] information that contradicts the

[2:53:22] depiction of the parcel, not including

[2:53:23] the full market property, as it is

[2:53:25] generally understood. Roberts is unaware

[2:53:28] that the town owns any of this land.

[2:53:30] Until these issues are resolved, it is

[2:53:32] difficult to plan and understand what

[2:53:34] options may be reasonable or legally

[2:53:36] possible. With respect to parking, even

[2:53:39] if the number of parking spaces is

[2:53:41] retained, Roberts is opposed to moving

[2:53:43] the parking away from the store or

[2:53:45] across the street from the store. Both

[2:53:47] from an operational and safety

[2:53:48] perspective, think customers carrying

[2:53:50] grocery bags, and from an economic

[2:53:53] perspective, as fewer people may

[2:53:54] patronize the market if they are

[2:53:56] concerned about finding parking and or

[2:53:57] crossing the street. Roberts is

[2:54:00] concerned that the parking as these

[2:54:02] concepts propose it will get used for

[2:54:04] other purposes, not for market parking

[2:54:06] with no enforcement mechanism, which

[2:54:08] would further constrain the market's

[2:54:10] parking and negatively impact the store.

[2:54:13] Roberts is also concerned about

[2:54:14] programming for any adjacent park. This

[2:54:17] programming could impact availability of

[2:54:19] parking spaces for the market. A farmers

[2:54:22] market will take away from Robert's

[2:54:23] customer base. This happens every week

[2:54:25] at the Portola Valley store on Thursday

[2:54:28] when the town hosts the farmers market.

[2:54:30] To answer the question presented

[2:54:32] earlier, Christine is not interested in

[2:54:34] these gathering spaces adjacent to the

[2:54:36] market. Perhaps this type of space could

[2:54:38] be moved consistent with measure A near

[2:54:40] town hall. Trucks cannot back on

[2:54:43] Woodside. Trucks cannot get back on

[2:54:45] Woodside Road without the slip lane,

[2:54:47] which will impact the concept one. Um, I

[2:54:50] would recommend that the town take a

[2:54:51] step back from these concepts and work

[2:54:53] one-on-one with Christine to develop a

[2:54:55] solution that would be amenable to the

[2:54:56] market and its operations. I really

[2:54:59] appreciate your time this evening. Thank

[2:55:00] you.

[2:55:11] There are no other raised hands online.

[2:55:28] My name is Bill Gilbert. I'm the other

[2:55:29] half. Um,

[2:55:33] what I heard a lot of ideas and that,

[2:55:35] but I support Roberts, Christine

[2:55:38] Roberts, and her concerns, and I would

[2:55:40] hope you folks work with her to get it

[2:55:44] resolved. Uh, number one, I had uh bumps

[2:55:50] put in my easement going down the back

[2:55:52] here. They've been torn up by the

[2:55:55] vigilantes of the bicycles.

[2:56:00] I think we need permanent bumpers there.

[2:56:02] It's It's a town easement and I I

[2:56:05] haven't asked, but I am going to ask and

[2:56:07] I think that'll mitigate the speed back

[2:56:10] there, which is very dangerous. I I I'm

[2:56:13] here every day when I'm in in town and

[2:56:16] they uh they just speed certain people

[2:56:20] speed back there like 30 40 miles an

[2:56:23] hour. It's unbelievable. So if the

[2:56:26] bumpers were permanent asphalt like you

[2:56:29] have, I think that would mitigate that.

[2:56:33] And then on Mountain Home Road, will you

[2:56:36] exit our property down there? If you I

[2:56:40] don't know if you can do this, but if

[2:56:41] you can make some u uh speed changes

[2:56:45] where they make them speed uh downgrade

[2:56:48] to 10 miles an hour, then that would

[2:56:51] help a lot because these guys when they

[2:56:53] get off work, they just zip through

[2:56:56] there. Also, at the stop sign uh down

[2:56:59] here at Roberts, they're waiting there

[2:57:02] like race cars. Some of these guys look

[2:57:04] at it at five o'clock. You can't get out

[2:57:07] of here. They're coming up, they come

[2:57:09] out the stop sign, they're coming 30, 40

[2:57:12] miles an hour within a few feet. So I I

[2:57:16] you know, either the enforcement of the

[2:57:18] sheriffs or some uh downgrading of the

[2:57:23] miles per hour. So that's all I got to

[2:57:26] say. Thank you.

[2:57:31] » That was my husband who was in the San

[2:57:34] Francisco Police Department for 30

[2:57:35] years. And part of that time you you led

[2:57:39] the traffic stuff going on there. Yeah.

[2:57:43] Okay. I know it was only one year

[2:57:45] because you were a wild man all the rest

[2:57:46] of the time. He's well known. Anyway,

[2:57:50] he's a legend in the San Francisco

[2:57:52] Police Department, but um everything he

[2:57:56] just said is so true. I forgot to find

[2:57:59] out what's happening from is it

[2:58:03] at the end of our parking lot before we

[2:58:06] go over to Christine's

[2:58:10] to the left. What is that street? Is

[2:58:12] that Mountain Home Road?

[2:58:14] >> Okay. The Is there any kind of a stop

[2:58:16] sign or anything there? Because you we

[2:58:19] have no sight distance there. Anybody

[2:58:21] coming out of our parking lot there?

[2:58:24] Can't see who's coming at them because

[2:58:26] there's a bunch of trees or or built

[2:58:30] wooden things. Not from our property,

[2:58:31] but there. I don't know. Does anybody

[2:58:34] know anybody in the town know about

[2:58:36] that? When you come out of Mountain Home

[2:58:38] Road and you and then you're just about

[2:58:41] to hit back of Christine's restaurant. I

[2:58:45] mean,

[2:58:45] >> come over bridge.

[2:58:46] >> Pardon me. Yeah. when they come over the

[2:58:48] bridge, there's no sight distance coming

[2:58:50] out of our place at all. So, I don't

[2:58:53] know what you can do there. But,

[2:58:54] >> yeah, that could be part of the we

[2:58:57] talked about maybe a crosswalk there or

[2:58:59] some other it'll depend on the the

[2:59:02] >> crosswalk because there's no sight

[2:59:04] distance or

[2:59:05] >> Right. Okay. Maybe it's a crosswalk with

[2:59:07] a stop sign or a flasher. I think it it

[2:59:09] could tie into our um conversation with Christine and and I think we can

[2:59:14] take that take that into under

[2:59:16] advisement as we move forward. So

[2:59:19] >> maybe Lewis can can confirm this, but

[2:59:21] I've heard that the town is looking at

[2:59:24] replacing the bridge there on Ry Creek

[2:59:26] Roach and uh Roberts if that were were

[2:59:30] moved, you know, further east and it

[2:59:32] would give a lot more room for that. We

[2:59:34] could be an opportunity to straighten

[2:59:36] that whole situation out.

[2:59:39] Yeah. Um Steve is correct. Um that

[2:59:42] project, the bridge project, uh Mountain

[2:59:44] Road Bridge, uh over Dry Creek, it is on

[2:59:46] the current draft CIP. Um that's on our

[2:59:50] proposed CIP. So that's something that

[2:59:52] the town would like to look at. Um doing

[2:59:54] something with the bridge itself. In

[2:59:56] terms of um Leanne's question about

[2:59:58] signage, I think the town can definitely

[3:00:00] take a look at that. Maybe through

[3:00:01] circulation committee, we can evaluate

[3:00:03] the signage over there.

[3:00:08] We have another raised hand online. Um

[3:00:11] Christine Roberts, you may speak.

[3:00:18] Can you guys hear me?

[3:00:20] >> Yes, we can.

[3:00:21] >> Okay. Hi. Um sorry I couldn't be there

[3:00:23] in person uh this evening, but I I did

[3:00:25] catch most of the

[3:00:28] um comments. Um and uh there were some

[3:00:35] interesting ideas presented.

[3:00:37] I I think my takeaway from especially my

[3:00:41] part of the project which turned out to

[3:00:44] be um a lot larger when I joined the

[3:00:49] committee. I had no idea that um

[3:00:55] the idea was uh to take away parking

[3:00:58] from my my business. I mean, I I'm

[3:01:01] absolutely kind of stunned

[3:01:04] um that this was presented and seems to

[3:01:08] be okay

[3:01:10] um with the majority of people

[3:01:13] to um includes uh side uh crosswalks

[3:01:20] and stuff. Um,

[3:01:23] so while I I agree there are some issues

[3:01:28] with the intersection

[3:01:30] and a park uh parking space on the

[3:01:33] corner and people back out.

[3:01:36] Um, that that row of parking is just

[3:01:39] essential for my business. To move it

[3:01:42] anywhere else

[3:01:45] uh would be it just wouldn't it wouldn't

[3:01:48] be acceptable uh to me.

[3:01:51] um

[3:01:53] and to put in the backwards 90 degree

[3:01:57] angle or whatever that parking is. Um we

[3:02:00] know we would lose at least three spots.

[3:02:02] It would take out the palm tree that's

[3:02:05] been there for almost a hundred years.

[3:02:08] Um

[3:02:10] so I I look forward to having more

[3:02:12] conversations about this. Um but this

[3:02:16] just was not what I expected to to come

[3:02:18] out of this committee.

[3:02:21] um or this project.

[3:02:23] So, um I mean that's about all I have to

[3:02:26] say at this point.

[3:02:39] » I have a quick question.

[3:02:40] >> Raise hands online.

[3:02:47] » All right. Um thank you Christine. Thank

[3:02:49] you for participating and uh we'll look

[3:02:51] forward to continued conversations with

[3:02:53] you. Um so with that uh did I hear a

[3:02:57] question? Yeah.

[3:02:59] >> Just wondering there was no mention we

[3:03:02] had been discussing uh outdoor dining

[3:03:05] options at our last meeting. Is that

[3:03:08] something that's going to be carried

[3:03:09] through and discussed?

[3:03:12] >> Yeah, great question. So, um, I'll go

[3:03:14] ahead and put up my final couple of

[3:03:17] slides here because, um,

[3:03:20] tonight we were really focused, laser

[3:03:22] focused on transportation. Um, but, uh,

[3:03:26] you know, last time we talked, we talked

[3:03:28] about, um, parking, public space,

[3:03:30] transportation, and housing on land use

[3:03:33] all at once. So, um, what we have on our

[3:03:37] docket is, as you know, we have our

[3:03:39] meeting next Tuesday, a week from

[3:03:41] tonight with council where we'll give

[3:03:43] them really the feedback from this

[3:03:46] group, from the three meetings with this

[3:03:47] group, everything we've heard and

[3:03:48] everything we heard from the community

[3:03:50] in our surveys, and our popups. Um, as I

[3:03:53] said, we'll be doing some residential

[3:03:55] financial feasibility analysis. Um,

[3:03:58] after this council meeting, we'll really

[3:04:00] launch into the next phase of

[3:04:01] engagement. Our survey will be open in

[3:04:03] May. At the next meeting with this

[3:04:06] group, we'll come back to review the

[3:04:07] results of that community engagement,

[3:04:09] but also to to circle back on some of

[3:04:11] the other topics like public space and

[3:04:14] housing that we just didn't get to

[3:04:15] tonight. Um, and then the next meeting

[3:04:18] with the council will be to really

[3:04:20] confirm what we're going to study for

[3:04:22] SQA, what's our SQA approach and our

[3:04:25] scenarios, and then that will kick off

[3:04:28] the EIR. Um and then there'll be another

[3:04:30] final meeting with this group as we're

[3:04:32] kind of putting together the final plan

[3:04:33] to kind of look at it as a group uh the

[3:04:36] policy direction and the concepts but

[3:04:37] that will come later in this year. Um so

[3:04:41] yeah just putting this up again right

[3:04:43] now we have council engagement another

[3:04:46] meeting with this group and then we'll

[3:04:48] go into environmental review. So, we

[3:04:50] probably won't meet with folks here for

[3:04:52] um a couple months, but um you're we

[3:04:57] invite you to come to the council

[3:04:58] meeting next week and share your ideas,

[3:05:00] but we will do our best to convey the

[3:05:03] sentiments of this group and the

[3:05:05] concerns, comments, feedback from this

[3:05:07] group to council um next week. So, with

[3:05:10] that, uh yeah, one quick final

[3:05:13] >> follow on the last comment. Um where are

[3:05:17] we with outdoor dining? And I think that

[3:05:19] may have something to do with a lawsuit

[3:05:21] that town is currently working with and

[3:05:25] maybe we could find out where that is

[3:05:27] right now because the parking that was

[3:05:30] kind of approved by the council and by

[3:05:32] the town got kind of turned around at

[3:05:36] the last minute. So where I think that's

[3:05:39] holding up the outdoor dining is

[3:05:41] certainly at you know bucks and the

[3:05:45] village bakery.

[3:05:47] So the hearing on that was concluded um

[3:05:49] a couple of months ago. The judge asked

[3:05:51] for some additional briefing which has

[3:05:52] all been turned in and we are all just

[3:05:54] awaiting um her decision at this point

[3:05:56] which I assume we will get within the

[3:05:58] next 30 to 60 days at the outside.

[3:06:03] >> And I just uh want to again thank

[3:06:05] everybody for coming. Um and just to

[3:06:07] reiterate again, you know, we're looking

[3:06:09] for this this is a process to create a

[3:06:11] long range planning document. It will

[3:06:15] guide the town with priorities and

[3:06:18] different uh programs to apply. So

[3:06:22] things like outdoor dining and parking

[3:06:24] standards and whether there's

[3:06:26] flexibility for housing of adaptive

[3:06:28] reuse or you know apartments upstairs or

[3:06:30] different things like that, those are

[3:06:32] all again these are going to be things

[3:06:34] that are policy driven. So the final

[3:06:36] document will tell us if we want to

[3:06:37] explore these things further and any

[3:06:40] zoning changes um that come with you

[3:06:44] know expanding making more flexibility

[3:06:48] uh for outdoor dining for different

[3:06:50] types of uses maybe removing some of the

[3:06:52] red tape we talked about some of our

[3:06:54] earlier meetings you know I always use

[3:06:56] the example our code says you need a

[3:06:58] conditional use permit for an ice cream

[3:06:59] store um and so you know we can the goal

[3:07:03] will be coming out of this document to

[3:07:05] then set priorities where we'll start to

[3:07:07] get down into more of the details on

[3:07:09] these specific issues and every zoning

[3:07:12] code change. Um, and a lot of these

[3:07:15] items will be before the public for

[3:07:18] refined comments and and implementation

[3:07:20] at that point. So again, thank you for

[3:07:22] coming and we look forward to kind of

[3:07:24] creating this policy document together

[3:07:26] that looks, you know, forward for the

[3:07:28] next 10, 20 or more years.

[3:07:32] >> Thank you, Sage. And if you have

[3:07:33] comments on your forms you want to turn

[3:07:35] into us, go ahead and and and fill it

[3:07:38] hand those back to us. But uh appreciate

[3:07:40] all the comments and conversation today.

[3:07:42] Thanks all.

TCAP Community Advisory Committee Special Meeting - April 21, 2026

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