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- Welcome to the regular
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city council meeting for Troutdale for Tuesday,
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April 14th, 2026.
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We'll start off with the who, who's first tonight. Deputy
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- Councilor Allen.
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- Councilor Allen. Would you lead us
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in the Pledge of Allegiance?
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- I pledge - Allegiance to the flag
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of the United States of America
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and to the Republic for which it stands,
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one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty
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- Justice.
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- Okay, thank you. Sarah, please call roll
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- Councilor Andrews.
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Here. Councilor Allen? Here. Councilor one. Present.
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Councilor White. Here. Councilor Davidon? Here.
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Councilor Lee? Here. Here.
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- Here. Alright Mike, is there an agenda update?
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- I have no update Mayor. Alright,
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- We'll move on to public comment.
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Public comment on non agenda and consent.
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Agenda items is welcome.
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At this time, public comment on agenda item
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will be taken at the time the item is considered.
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Public comments should be directed to presiding officer
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and limited to matters of community interest
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or related to matters which may
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or could come before the council.
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Each speaker shall be limited to five minutes
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for each agenda item
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unless a different amount of time is allowed
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by the presiding officer with consent of the council.
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The council and mayor should avoid immediate
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or protracted responses to citizen comments.
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So at this time I will invite anyone participating
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via Zoom to address the council during public comment.
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Anyone?
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- Mayor Paul Wilcox Trial tale?
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- Yes, Paul, go right ahead.
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- Thanks. Dave wasn't planned to have a public comment
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but I was looking at the
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updates on the Glendo parking exemption rules just
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before the meeting and I noticed that it is
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per resident two plate numbers per resident.
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I'm wondering if that was the intent.
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So you had a four person household that could
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register eight different tag numbers.
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So I was just curious about, you know,
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if that was correct or not.
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I would expect it to be two, two plates per household.
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- Alright, thank you.
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I mean I frankly I think it's two spots per resident
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that that was my intent anyway, but I don't know for sure.
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Alright, how about anyone else on Zoom wish
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to address the company?
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How about in the room? This is time for public comment.
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Yes, I will please come forward.
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- Hello? Goodnight. My name is Sal Pompeo
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and I'm the owner of Restaurant Pompeo.
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And I come, I come here to ask a question in the
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2 57 when you passed
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Cherry Park, it's the light, they create a sidewalk
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in the, in the center of the, the, you know, the,
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the center line they create over their
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sidewalk two weeks ago.
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A big crash over there because they don't put any signs
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when you driving that way that sidewalk they, you don't saw
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because it's that way that car jump
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in the sidewalk and crash like this
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because they create a in the center in the sidewalk
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in the center, in the center, in the line of the center.
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They create a sidewalk, maybe four Crosswalk
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and you know that crosswalk is between two curbs
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and it's very dangerous curbs.
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And I request to the engineer,
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while they don't put any signs before the accident,
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after the accident, they already put
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signs, they put a big signs.
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But why did they put the signs before?
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And if county make that mistake, if you go to pay
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for the person, have the accident
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because if they forgot to put the signs,
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it's a sidewalk in the center of the street I think.
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So they need to put like everywhere,
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you know they put the sticks like this for you can don't go.
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So I request to you guys call man county
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and bring the engineer to explain us
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why they not put the signs before the accident.
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Why after the accident they put the signs
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and if they go to pay for the car accident,
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you know, because if they forgot to do something,
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I think someone normal continue they needs to pay
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for the crash anyway.
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That is my my suggestion.
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Can I respond And as the engineer, can I
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- Respond to that real quick?
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Yes. Hold on. Sul. Yes, yes.
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John's on our on, excuse me, has some insight.
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- There were posts were posts. No, before the accident,
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- Before the post I - I took 'em all out.
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Sorry about that. Yeah, if you went by right
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after the accident, all the posts were laid out flat,
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he took 'em all out.
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Little sports car convertible anyway
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and then that's why the orange
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temporary cones are there now.
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But there were
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- Before - There were popes metal popes with signs on them.
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- Oh and
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and my my my second question is why they do that design?
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Because when you put something in the center of the line,
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they need to put something for careful.
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They do all all over.
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And I that why the reason I was to the engineer explain
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why they do that design.
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If they already know all the cast jump on that
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A good, I don't know, maybe it's a good question.
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Bring the engineer and explain us
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because they bring them very soon the
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accident something wrong.
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I don't know this my Alright,
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- Thank you.
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Thank you. I mean we as a county road, our
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public works people do meet with the county once in a while
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you could ask, but
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- If you go just past there you'll see skid marks going
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towards the wood fence and hitting that telephone box.
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- Right. I have a feeling somebody was going Yeah. Fast.
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But anyway. Alright, well anyone else in the room wish
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to address the council during this time of public comment?
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Alright, close public comment
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and move on to the consent agenda. Do
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- You wanna read this now?
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- Quite yet, but Oh, oh, I'm sorry. That's right.
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That is, we have a written public comment. Forgive me.
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Thank you Jeffrey Ge councilor one has agreed to read
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Frank Stevens comments.
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It's, it's more public comment so please go ahead. Okay.
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- Public comment from Frank Stevens of Dale Oregon
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or urgent request for assessment
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and action To safeguard community trail pop chalk trail,
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consider updating local standards slash ordinances,
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future enforcement and oversight options
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and engineering of shared path areas
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to include surrounding green space locations
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for increased public safety in the city of Troutdale
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to the esteemed members of the city council
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and city staff, I'm writing as a concerned resident
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as a member of a frequent group of trail users.
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Friends of the choc chalk trail to formally notify the city
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of a pressing safety
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and public welfare issue, a structure resembling a cabin
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and currently occupied as well
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as other adjoining campsites in the immediate area have
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appeared in the past year with within our communities green
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space adjoining the popular trail
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frequented by family and children.
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A particular concern is a credible
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evidence suggesting the presence, the presence
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of weapons within or around this cabin.
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This development has elicited considerable concern
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among trail users, many of whom depend on the trail
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for recreation, exercise and safe passage.
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The existent the existence of weapons in proximity
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to a public space intended for communal enjoyment,
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especially by minors, raises significant safety concerns
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that demand immediate
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and careful attention considering the standards
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and response timelines currently employed by both the Port
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of Portland and Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is
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important to recognize a potential shortcoming in the
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prevailing approach to homeless
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homelessness encampments in our green space.
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Frequently these agencies use utilize an out of sight out
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of mind methodology, which tends to prioritize removal
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or relocation with without fully addressing
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deeper safety issues.
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This practice may unintentionally neglect crucial concerns
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related to public safety
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and the welfare of both the unhoused populations residing in
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these areas and the broader community
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that utilizes the chocho trail.
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Such oversight can lead to unresolved risks,
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particularly when encampments appear near family friendly
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spaces and there are no credible reports of weapons present
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And there are incredible reports of weapons present.
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Thank you. By highlighting this, we seek
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to encourage more comp, comprehensive
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and proactive interventions
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that better safeguard all community members
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and ensure the green space remains welcoming
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and secure for its intended purpose.
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While relocation
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and containment strategies are sometimes used
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to minimize visibility rather than resolve underlying
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issues, we urge the city to ensure
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that any response prioritizes safety,
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compassionate engagement, and sustainable solutions.
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The community values this area as an essential resource
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for healthy living, social connection
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and the enjoyment of nature.
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Accordingly, I respect respectfully request
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that the CH dale conduct a prompt
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and thorough investigation into this matter.
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We urge all that urge
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that all appropriate measures be taken, removal
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of structures, housing slash services
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provided for individuals in accordance with best practices
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and local public safety standards
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to ensure the ongoing safety of residents
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and to preserve the welcoming, peaceful nature
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of the green space and trail.
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We appreciate your timely attention to this matter
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and look forward to your response regarding the steps
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that will be taken to address these concerns.
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Respectfully, Frank Stevens,
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- Thank you, I appreciate that and thank you Frank.
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Is there anyone else who wi wishes to address this
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during public comment?
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If not, we'll move on to the consent agenda.
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Councilor Allen. Okay,
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- I knew that the consent agenda 3.1 minutes.
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- February 24th, 2026.
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City Council Wer meeting in March 10th, 2026.
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City Council regular meeting. Second.
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- Alright Sarah, would you call a role?
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- Yes. Councilor Allen? Yes. Councilor? Yes.
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Yes. Councilor White? Yes sir. Councillor Davidson? Yes.
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Councilor Lemi? Yes. Councilor Andrews? Yes.
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- Alright, thank you.
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We'll move on to agenda item number four, proclamations.
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I'm pleased and proud to make two proclamations beginning
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with 4.1, which is the Arbor Day
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proclamation, Whereas
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in 1872 J Sterling Morton proposed
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to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture that a special day
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be set aside for the planting of trees.
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And whereas this holiday called Arbor Day was first observed
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with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska.
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And whereas Arbor Day is now observed throughout the
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nation and the world.
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And whereas trees can reduce the erosion
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of our precious topsoil by wind and water cut heating
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and cooling costs moderate the temperature, clean the air,
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produce life, giving oxygen,
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and provide habitat for wildlife.
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And whereas trees are a renewable resource giving us paper
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wood for our homes, fuel for our fires,
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and countless other wood products.
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And whereas trees in our city, increased property values
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enhance the economic viability of business areas, vitality
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of business areas, and beautify our community.
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And whereas trees, wherever they are planted are a source
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of joy and spiritual renewal.
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Now therefore, I David Riman, mayor of the city
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of Troutdale, who hereby proclaim
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April 24th, 2026
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as Arbor Day in the city of Troutdale.
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And I urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day
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and to support efforts to protect our trees and woodlands.
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And further, I urge all citizens to plant trees
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to gladen the heart and promote the wellbeing of this
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and future generations dated this 14th day
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of April, 2026.
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Alright, Next I have a proclamation
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of Vietnamese American Remembrance day.
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Whereas Vietnamese refugees have proudly resided in the
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state of Oregon since the conclusion
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of the Vietnam War on April 30th, 1975.
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And whereas Vietnamese Americans have put forth their full
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toiling energy building the state of Oregon in a multitude
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of prominent areas, including industry, economy, culture,
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education, and military service.
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And whereas the Vietnamese Americans have counted on the
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state of Oregon as being their second heart, mind
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and family homeland.
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And whereas every year Vietnamese Americans celebrate
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remembrance day on April 30th to solemnly honor
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the 58,000 American servicemen
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and service women in
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that 810 soldiers from the state of Oregon
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and more than 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers
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who sacrificed their lives in the line of duty for freedom
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and democracy in South Vietnam from November, 1955
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to April, 1975.
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Now therefore, I, David Rimma, mayor of the city
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of Troutdale, hereby proclaim April 30th to be Vietnamese
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American Remembrance Day in Troutdale
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and encourage all Trout Damians to join in this observance
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dated this 14th day of April, 2026.
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Alright, we'll move on then to
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agenda item number five, the second reading of
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what's it called, the fog orates.
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So
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- Good - Evening mayor and city council members.
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My name is Ryan ura, environmental specialist here
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with the city of Dale.
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I'll you a chance to
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- Get - The slides up and running.
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I also take this moment to announce that
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colleague Erica Armstrong is also online.
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She's the chief operator at the wastewater treatment plant
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and I have Travis Holton, the public works director here
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as well in case there are questions for either one of them.
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Yes, this is an ordinance revising the chapter 12.07
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of the Troutdale municipal code.
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It's the second reading tonight. Alright Sarah, I'm ready.
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Thank you. So again, we'll kind
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of quickly go over why the need for the code update.
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What is the goal, what are some updates
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from the last meeting we've had?
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And any questions? Alright Sarah, thank you.
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So why the update again?
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Well for the public owned treatment works,
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which is encompasses the collection system,
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the treatment plant and all that, there's odor issues
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that have been experienced at the TRA treatment plant.
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There's been overflows
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of the basin wall at the treatment plant reduce, reduce
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reductions in sludge settling, especially
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during warmer months.
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Sanitary sewer O overflows related to fog,
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increased maintenance costs
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and we got some estimates of about 200 to $325 per hour
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and that includes staff and the VAC labor costs
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and we have to be called out to go clean pipes and whatnot.
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You know, for the fog buildup in our collection system,
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there's a risk of NPDS permit discharge violations
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and there's risk of POTW interference
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and pass through, which is a pretreatment violations
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for food service establishments.
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This would require documentation of pump outs
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and provide clear standards for the businesses.
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This was an example I I showed earlier from earlier this
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year at the treatment plant, an aeration basin
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of the nocardia fog, no cardio bacteria
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creating a lot of this blanket
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of fog slide please.
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Yep. And here's some fog buildup in the collection system
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along, as you can see the yellow grease buildup on the sides
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that we have to go in and clean out periodically.
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And then what is the goal? So eliminate the fog related
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issues we're experiencing in the
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collection and treatment systems.
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Provide clear direction to food service establishments
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to achieve compliance,
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but also really to validate
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what they're likely already doing with their, you know,
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grease removal devices at their restaurants.
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So a few updates that we've had since our first reading.
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We did send out letters
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to all the food service establishments.
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We've removed some
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of the food grinder prohibition language from the code.
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We changed minimum service frequency
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to extend it a little bit from 30 to 45 days
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for smaller units and 90 to 120 days for the interceptors.
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We changed some variance language
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so there's no longer a professional study needed to be paid
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for by any restaurants.
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They would just rely strictly on the pump out manifests,
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which they're already probably receiving from their pumper
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when they come out and service these grease traps.
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And then there's an educational component as well
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that's built in partly into our software that we're using.
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But we may also have a component that we would do on site
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with the restaurants and their staff.
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So, okay. Sarah, next slide.
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So that, that, that was my updates for you
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and I if you had any questions.
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- Alright, thank you. Questions from the council?
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I, yes, Glen Sure. Yeah. Thanks Ryan.
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Yeah, I appreciate you contacting the restaurants.
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I think it's only fair to do that. Sure.
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I missed the part on the, in the new report on the,
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you talking about food garbage disposals,
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they're allowed, what's going on with that? Yeah,
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- So we, I removed that language
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because looking at the Fog Oregon, the fog,
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the Oregon Plumbing standard, they, they did have language
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that, you know, allowed food grinders or food disposals and
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and restaurants and I didn't know if that was gonna really
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solve the problem to require restaurants
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that had already installed it, you know, the cost
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of removing them and,
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and maybe even making any other changes
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that they needed to do.
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I just felt like maybe that was an undue burden,
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cost burden for them.
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And I'd rather see that money put towards pump outs clearly
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than in that removal of an existing device.
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- So there, if you have one you can keep it,
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but if your a new establishment you can't put one in.
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- I I didn't, I didn't require that either. Yep.
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Since the Oregon plumbing code already allows it
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and it has it in there, I didn't want kind
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of make a conflict of the two codes
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and I just figured we'll just leave, leave it be
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as is with the plumbing code.
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- And then how often does the c is the city required
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to jet blast those lines like in the main sewer?
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- You know, that that, that's one I'm gonna have
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to ask Erica if she can weigh in on,
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because I can't remember how often that is.
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Honestly,
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- It's not a requirement.
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It's more a maintenance that we just do
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to make sure that our pipes are running smoothly
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every year we clean a couple basins of our sewer,
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of our sewer system
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and we usually hit those greasy spots
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at least twice, sometimes up
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to four times a year depending on how bad those lines are.
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It's not required though.
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We just do it to help maintain flow.
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- I have one - Other one.
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- Oh yeah, I had asked the question of,
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with the random inspection program, how,
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how many violations did you see?
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Did you ever figure that out?
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- No, I did not. And I did not. I did not. No I did not.
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Sorry, sorry. Councilor White,
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- Let someone else go.
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Anyone else with questions?
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Well, did you think of anything else?
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I do have one concern that, you know,
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by having the company that's doing the work,
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pumping up the grease traps being the one,
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they're basically the ones that can help with the variance.
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It seems like kind of a conflict of interest for them to
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say, oh yeah, this customer only needs it once a year
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instead of three times a year.
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I just had a little concern about that. Well
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- Really it would be required still every 40 day,
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45 day days if you have a hydro mechanical grease
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interceptor or a trap grease trap
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and 120 days for the interceptor.
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So we, we put some firm standards in there that,
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that would be the minimum frequency of pump outs.
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And then there's in the variance, let's say a manufacturer,
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as I've been told, they may have a very high efficiency
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grease interceptor that says okay
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and 25% is also the standard, I'm sorry,
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that we have established as, you know, the pump out rule.
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And so let's say if, if a variance says,
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well if this grease trap that was installed,
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that's a very high efficiency grease trap,
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says 75% is the rule, not necessarily 25%.
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Well then we would ask that the,
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the restaurant would provide us that documentation and
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and say well this is what's been installed instead.
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So it's not really the pumper
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that's gonna be telling the restaurants, oh you don't have
[25:22]
to pump it out quite as much anymore or, or how
[25:26]
however often they think it is,
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it's gonna be based on our own standards.
[25:31]
- Okay. That's great.
[25:32]
And then I guess my final question, is it, I read that
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restaurants can't skim grease off off the surface,
[25:41]
but are they still allowed
[25:43]
to clean their own grease trap without calling somebody in?
[25:46]
- If, if they're able to,
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to fully evacuate the whole interceptor and,
[25:50]
and take all that gr grease and and liquids and all that
[25:53]
and dispose of it properly as somewhere else where,
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you know, they accept that material, that's fine.
[25:59]
It's, it's not probably gonna be easy to do
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that if it's especially a large, you know,
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a thousand gallon interceptor.
[26:05]
But that we we're not saying you can't Yeah. In the code.
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- So if there, if there are a thousand gallons,
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they're only allowed to be 25% full.
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- 'cause that's typically the performance standard
[26:18]
for interceptors for them. The best
[26:21]
- Septic tanks aren't that way.
[26:23]
Yeah. Do you see this going anywhere for, I know you,
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you can only target commercial operations.
[26:32]
Do you, do you see this being a new building requirement
[26:35]
or anything down the road for new construction for homes?
[26:39]
- Yeah, I would not be the one to be in installing
[26:41]
or re requiring any of that.
[26:43]
That would be far outside of my jurisdictional purview
[26:47]
of the pretreatment program.
[26:49]
Yeah. So thanks Brian.
[26:51]
- You welcome. Good effort.
[26:54]
Alright, if there's no other questions from the council,
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we did have, this is an ordinance
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and we are going to be considering adoption tonight,
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but I would open it
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to public comment if any before we act.
[27:12]
So let's start with people participating on Zoom.
[27:16]
Anyone wish to address the council on this matter?
[27:22]
Seeing none. How about anyone in the room wish
[27:27]
to address the council, Saul?
[27:30]
Yes, you are welcome to
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- Now we Vietnamese community of Oregon.
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We have the certificate of appreciation to you
[27:45]
and the, the thing with counselors.
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Yeah. First of all, my name is Tu.
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I am the president of the Vietnamese community
[27:53]
of Oregon on behalf of my board.
[27:55]
Thank you so much for the programation in
[28:00]
recognizing the Vietnamese American day.
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Your ation reach beyond the story.
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The document is honor our people who
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carry abundant of
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being freedom in another country
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and they move across the ocean and resettle in the US
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and also especially honor the US
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and South Vietnamese soldiers who risk their life for
[28:34]
freedom and democracy in South Vietnam from 1955
[28:38]
to 1975 from the bottom of our heart.
[28:43]
One more time. Thank you so much for the problem, Mason.
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And this is the thank you senator.
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- Well thank you so much. Thank you. And
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- Counselors list.
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- Thank you. Did you want me to stand up
[28:57]
and take a picture or something?
[28:58]
Yeah, please. Everyone on the council knows this isn't
[29:01]
exactly the right order, but let's just do it.
[29:07]
So I'll I'll come around Sarah if you want to take it or,
[29:14]
and we, you come up and you can hand it to me
[29:19]
or something and we will have somebody who take a picture.
[29:23]
Yeah, you can hand it to me.
[29:26]
Oh, this is, oh this is the proclamation. Very good.
[29:29]
- Yeah. So - We can swap. Yes. Alright, excellent.
[29:34]
Here we go. Thank you so much. Well thank you.
[29:36]
Thank you very much.
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And we are, we are pleased and honored to have you here.
[29:43]
Yeah. And you are all welcome here in Oregon.
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We revere the Vietnamese Americans. Thank you.
[29:50]
- Thank you very much.
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- Is there anyone from the Nebraska Board of Agriculture?
[30:12]
Well, they're here. That was their chance.
[30:14]
They their chance. Yeah. They, they lost that. Okay. Anyway.
[30:19]
Thank you. Delighted.
[30:23]
All right, moving right along.
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We're we're, I'm inviting public comment.
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Saul, perhaps you want to come up,
[30:35]
but thank you again for coming so much.
[30:43]
- Hello, my name is Al Pompeo
[30:45]
and I have couple questions for the program.
[30:49]
One of the questions I don't very clear if we can clean,
[30:54]
I start clean my grease out myself.
[30:58]
- Yep. We, we did not remove any or,
[31:00]
or imp impart any requirement
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that says you could not claim it yourself.
[31:06]
We just ask that you're gonna be submitting a manifest
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online report to the city so
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that we can verify it's been cleaned.
[31:12]
- That means I can have access to that system to put my
[31:17]
- Yep, yep.
[31:18]
And it's free to use it's no cost to the restaurants to use
[31:21]
that online reporting system. That will, we
[31:23]
- Now have, in my case, we need to clean very often.
[31:25]
You know, I do, I need not, I need
[31:28]
to clean my grease strap every month.
[31:32]
Pay 500 bucks for each time is,
[31:35]
and we can do in 20 minute very small.
[31:39]
And they only have two buckets of really easy.
[31:43]
We do, I we do every three weeks really don't stink my,
[31:46]
our tractors easy.
[31:48]
Okay, thank you. And another question I have is,
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can we have access to you, to your sketch,
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to cleaning the, the pipe?
[32:00]
Because if we are responsibility for hundred percent,
[32:03]
if something happen, I want to make sure we do maintenance
[32:07]
where you guys have maintenance to,
[32:09]
can we have access to the sketch?
[32:11]
How often do you clean the pipes,
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- Erica?
[32:15]
Is that something that we can offer the schedule
[32:20]
- There?
[32:21]
It isn't really, there isn't like a specific
[32:23]
month that we do it.
[32:25]
You know, we try and fit it in, in between
[32:29]
other cyclical parts of us running the whole sewer system.
[32:34]
So there isn't like a hard and fast schedule.
[32:37]
But I'm sure
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if we knew it was happening in later in the month,
[32:43]
maybe we could put something up.
[32:46]
- Let me chime in on that.
[32:47]
The, there isn't like a calendar that is laid out
[32:50]
that says this is where we're gonna clean this pipe
[32:52]
or that pipe looking forward.
[32:54]
As, as Eric talked about, they work it in
[32:58]
with their work plans week to week as to
[33:00]
how much they can fit in and do
[33:01]
and work their way through the system.
[33:03]
So while I don't think we could tell, we could offer
[33:05]
to provide a forward looking schedule
[33:07]
of when a particular pipe is going to be cleaned,
[33:09]
certainly our maintenance records are,
[33:12]
are available if someone, you know,
[33:14]
for instance if someone were to be charged
[33:18]
for causing a suit to receive overflow
[33:21]
and they felt that they shouldn't be,
[33:24]
they could certainly request
[33:25]
to see any maintenance records we had
[33:27]
and make was available.
[33:29]
- And then we can request the maintenance request of
[33:32]
- Course the public information.
[33:33]
- Okay. Thank you. That is the question. Thank you.
[33:36]
That's it. Thank you. Very thank you.
[33:39]
Anyone else wish to address this on the
[33:46]
deliberations about this ordinance?
[33:49]
Alright, all the matters before us.
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- I did. I thought of one kind of quick
[33:58]
- Question. Yes. Oh,
[33:59]
- On the first read I was a little confused when I asked the
[34:03]
question of if when you guys jet spray the, the sewer
[34:07]
to get the grease off, if
[34:10]
that ends up at the sewer treatment plant.
[34:12]
And I got, I kind
[34:15]
of got a a mixed answer there.
[34:18]
So, so is there any clarification on that
[34:21]
if Travis was shaking his head?
[34:23]
No, it doesn't go down there but Erica
[34:25]
and you said it would, so maybe I misread it
[34:30]
- About Erica.
[34:31]
I could that if you want Yeah, go ahead Erica.
[34:33]
So in those super greasy pipes
[34:35]
that we know have grease buildup on a regular basis,
[34:39]
that we go out and clean the,
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we call them our troubled areas.
[34:42]
We know these pipes usually have
[34:44]
some sort of buildup on them.
[34:45]
We have a basket that we throw in at the downstream end.
[34:50]
So as we're pulling the grease back towards the truck,
[34:53]
pulling it down the pipe, we have a basket
[34:55]
that intercepts most of those big chunks of grease.
[34:58]
You know, obviously we won't be able
[35:00]
to catch every single piece of it but you know,
[35:03]
'cause some of these manholes are like 10, 15 feet deep, we,
[35:07]
we catch what we can and intercept it.
[35:09]
But most of the time when we are cleaning,
[35:12]
yes we're just trying to get it off the walls.
[35:15]
But in those big heavy grease pipes,
[35:17]
like you saw the pictures of those, we try
[35:19]
and capture those chunks of when we can.
[35:25]
- Thank you. - Of course. Anyone else?
[35:30]
Final questions? Alright,
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well the matter is before us, it's in ordinance.
[35:38]
We're revising chapter 12.07
[35:40]
of the Troutdale municipal code pertaining
[35:43]
to the sanitary sewer pre-treatment program.
[35:46]
I would entertain a motion,
[35:49]
- I'll make a motion that we adopt an ordinance revising
[35:53]
chapter 12.07 of the Tridel municipal code pertaining
[35:57]
to the sanitary sewer pre treatment program.
[36:01]
- I'll second. - Alright Sarah, please call roll.
[36:06]
- Okay. Councilor Allen? Yes. Councillor one? Yes.
[36:10]
Mayor rma? Yes. Counselor White? Yes. Councilor Davidson?
[36:15]
Yes. Councilor Lemi? Yes. And Councilor Andrews?
[36:19]
- Yes. - Alright. Thank back.
[36:23]
We'll move on to agenda item number six.
[36:25]
Staff communications.
[36:27]
- Thank you. Alright, I, I'll try to make it quick.
[36:31]
We have April 18th is the bulk waste drop off.
[36:37]
It's $25.
[36:39]
- Oh that's not true. - Is it not true? Is it?
[36:41]
- It depends on the size of your vehicle.
[36:44]
- Ah, - I took a picture of it.
[36:48]
- Alright. - And I can,
[36:50]
- Well there is a fee.
[36:51]
It's not, it's not free so it's less, it's a small fee.
[36:56]
- Looks like a car.
[36:57]
Minivan is $25 a pickup or a box truck is 40 vehicle
[37:01]
and a trailer 65 and tires are 10 to $12 each.
[37:06]
- Okay, thank you. Or - Is it?
[37:11]
- It's at the transfer station here in Troutdale.
[37:14]
- Troutdale. What was the date again? Mike?
[37:16]
- April 18th. Saturday
[37:19]
- This Saturday.
[37:22]
And it goes from, sorry I should have gave you this.
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The hours it
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- Is - From at eight eight
[37:32]
to 12, eight to noon
[37:37]
- And bulk means any old - Thing.
[37:39]
Accepted items are barbecues, bikes, box springs, carpeting,
[37:42]
dressers, ex exercise equipment, furniture, lawnmowers,
[37:45]
oil remove mattresses, silverware, sinks, tables, tires,
[37:48]
toilets, towels, water heaters, windows not accepted.
[37:51]
So these are not animal waste batteries, car engines, CFC,
[37:56]
appliances, concrete dirt, sod, stumps, e-waste,
[37:59]
fluorescent fixtures, waste household, hazardous materials,
[38:03]
liquids, paint, paint, tanks, refrigerators, rocks, rocks,
[38:07]
roofing materials and small AC units are not
[38:10]
accept those are not accepted.
[38:12]
- Okay. So excellent.
[38:15]
- Other things that I have coming out,
[38:16]
just giving you a heads up, we had some initial bids for
[38:21]
the Buxton property up on the hill that came in.
[38:25]
Basically the hard costs for construction 1.9 million
[38:30]
with soft costs upward of six
[38:33]
to $800,000 on top of that.
[38:36]
So that's something for discussion for another day
[38:39]
that we might want to discuss and strategize around.
[38:43]
Just kind of giving you those initial
[38:44]
numbers for fixes on that.
[38:47]
A lot of that is the a DA requirements inside, outside
[38:53]
as well as some asbestos mitigation, electrical,
[38:57]
plumbing and the like.
[38:59]
So not a cheap endeavor
[39:02]
but something that we should probably discuss if
[39:04]
we want to do that or not.
[39:07]
- Well and I assume we need to discuss it fairly soon. Yes.
[39:12]
This is the property we bought to be the new city hall.
[39:16]
So we probably, I realize we've got a kind of a busy agenda
[39:21]
for the next month or so,
[39:22]
but we, we need to know what we're gonna do,
[39:27]
what we're gonna move forward with that.
[39:30]
That's staggering.
[39:32]
Staggeringly more than sounded like before.
[39:36]
Yes, go ahead Jesse. No I didn't have a comment.
[39:38]
I was just, anyway, it's staggering.
[39:41]
It's so staggering that we might need
[39:43]
to reconsider what we were thinking.
[39:47]
So, and I don't know if we, ed, this might be
[39:52]
for you if we were to reconsider not keeping
[39:56]
that property, trying to acquire another one
[39:59]
or make use of another one, is that a subject that would
[40:03]
be eligible for an executive
[40:05]
session anyway?
[40:08]
Something to think about, something to look into.
[40:10]
Some parts would and some parts
[40:12]
wouldn't probably not talk more later.
[40:14]
Afraid of. Yeah. Okay.
[40:17]
- Anyway, just kind of going through my checklist right now.
[40:20]
Hood Cable Regulatory Committee,
[40:23]
a commission is being dissolved.
[40:26]
So we're working out in IGA right now between ourselves,
[40:31]
Pono County Wood Village,
[40:34]
and Fairview on how to process
[40:38]
and distribute the remaining franchise fees for that.
[40:43]
- We'll get some money. - It's a little bit of money.
[40:45]
It's not much.
[40:49]
20,000, 20,000.
[40:53]
It's, it's a good chunk of change.
[40:55]
We can do some good stuff with it.
[40:56]
Well we'll see if we can't bring it home.
[40:59]
On top of that is working out the Community Enhancement
[41:03]
grant program and bringing that back to Troutdale as well.
[41:08]
So I'm working out an IGA right now with Metro
[41:10]
and that I anticipate we'll be seeing those two IGAs coming
[41:14]
before this council in May and June.
[41:18]
And then of course the question earlier today was how's the
[41:22]
fee schedule progressing?
[41:24]
And so with the fee schedule we have
[41:27]
to notify the Department of Building Codes
[41:28]
and Management Division.
[41:31]
I forget what their exact initials are,
[41:33]
but you should be seeing that coming forward
[41:36]
to you in May as well.
[41:37]
May and June. So hopefully that will be adopted
[41:41]
and in place for July one.
[41:44]
Those are my big updates coming up.
[41:46]
We also have Public Works week in May.
[41:49]
Is it the week of the 17th or the 14th?
[41:54]
I'd have to look at my calendar to be honest.
[41:56]
It's in mid-May. Yeah, mid-May.
[41:58]
Public works week coming down
[42:02]
and then all next week we have budget stuff
[42:05]
so, so I'm in, yeah,
[42:10]
- Move on to council communications. Carol,
[42:14]
- I have none.
[42:17]
- Zach? - No, Carol's first. We're going around.
[42:22]
Zach we'll get to you. You, you get to,
[42:26]
you can move to adjourn.
[42:27]
You clean up?
[42:29]
- I'm good thank you. - I just had a couple
[42:34]
things and I just want to address this.
[42:38]
I just wanted to like put it out there about my,
[42:43]
I don't really know what to do about it, but my concern,
[42:45]
and this is not just about the city of Troutdale
[42:49]
and I'm sure it's at, it's gonna be at the front
[42:50]
of our minds this next week concerning our budget.
[42:53]
But I'm just like concerned about the state of
[42:59]
how this, maybe this state of Oregon is taxed
[43:04]
and where tax money goes
[43:06]
and I'm not really sure that there's anything
[43:08]
that we can specifically do about that.
[43:10]
It's probably more at higher levels than us,
[43:13]
but I think we're gonna find out this next week
[43:18]
that I know we're not the only city that is in this position
[43:22]
where we're having to pinch pennies and remove things
[43:25]
and take things away from the people who live here.
[43:28]
So I'm just stating it like as a fact that it's
[43:33]
concerning to me of being involved in doing this.
[43:37]
I think that there needs to be some sort of reform somewhere
[43:40]
to help cities Function at a higher
[43:44]
level for the people that live there.
[43:46]
So, and that's probably again above my pay grade.
[43:51]
But I just wanted to respond to this comment from Frank
[43:56]
this and I know I have get communicated a lot
[43:59]
with Frank over the last couple years
[44:02]
and he's very involved in these kind of things
[44:05]
and really cares about these spaces as do I
[44:10]
park next to my house is really kind of out
[44:12]
of the way mostly and people walk their dogs
[44:14]
and there's not really any
[44:18]
living activity happening at the park.
[44:20]
It's great. But spaces like this, I'm pretty sure
[44:22]
that people moved over from a thousand acres
[44:25]
and the, you know, the Department
[44:26]
of State lands land over onto this side
[44:29]
where they're now not being monitored.
[44:30]
And I find that to be very concerning and I,
[44:33]
and I find it concerning that nothing is being done.
[44:36]
And I find it kind of ridiculous that
[44:42]
the people who live here and are paying taxes
[44:44]
and want to use the spaces that their taxes pay
[44:46]
for aren't able to safely use those spaces.
[44:50]
And I think that something needs to be done immediately.
[44:54]
And I realize that's probably a super tall task.
[44:57]
But I think that this is something that warrants that.
[45:01]
And whether it's the, whoever's land,
[45:04]
it ne if it's the port's land
[45:06]
or if the sheriff needs to get involved, they need
[45:09]
to do something like the, they can't dilly dally around
[45:11]
with this, especially if there are dangerous weapons around.
[45:14]
Whether they work or not is ir is,
[45:18]
shouldn't matter whatsoever.
[45:19]
It doesn't really matter.
[45:21]
It's not a place for people to live.
[45:22]
It's a place for people to use and hopefully use safely.
[45:26]
And so I am going to mimic
[45:32]
Frank's statement that hopefully
[45:36]
steps will be taken and they'll be taken immediately to do
[45:40]
with this problem and mitigate it for the future.
[45:45]
So yeah, that's it.
[45:48]
- Alright, well thanks.
[45:50]
I, First of all,
[45:56]
tomorrow is the deadline for filing the statement
[45:59]
of economic interest.
[46:00]
If any of you have failed to do that, don't forget,
[46:06]
it's easy to forget.
[46:07]
I do think we got reminders from Sarah,
[46:10]
but it's been a while
[46:12]
and so I just mentioned it, if you don't know
[46:17]
what I'm talking about, see me afterwards.
[46:21]
The last Monday there
[46:26]
was a, the, there was a filming
[46:31]
by an outfit that was hired by the Oregon Lottery
[46:36]
who helped fund the Sharon Nesbitt Heritage Trail.
[46:40]
And Sharon was here and I, Sharon
[46:43]
and I went out on the trail and they did some filming
[46:46]
and it's supposed to be on the Lottery's YouTube channel
[46:50]
and some other social media.
[46:54]
Haven't seen it yet, but I just mentioned it
[46:58]
'cause it was, it was a lot of fun.
[47:00]
It was just a gorgeous day.
[47:02]
And Sharon was just a GOG about how beautiful the
[47:06]
Sharon Nesbitt Heritage Trail is.
[47:09]
The new cage that you walk through is just perfect,
[47:13]
not obtrusive, just right that you walk onto the tracks.
[47:19]
Anyway, I mentioned that.
[47:21]
And finally the Toronto Historical Society is hosting
[47:25]
Kerry Tim Chuck, who's the president
[47:29]
of the Oregon Historical Society.
[47:31]
He's speaking at the Sam Cox building
[47:34]
here in Troutdale at Glen Otto Park
[47:37]
at two o'clock on Sunday the 19th.
[47:41]
It's a program about preserving Oregon history.
[47:44]
He's really entertaining and a very good speaker.
[47:48]
And it kind of has to do with Oregon's 200,
[47:52]
the 250th anniversary of the, of the Declaration
[47:56]
of Independence and,
[47:57]
and how Oregon is, is
[48:01]
teaching its history as part of that.
[48:03]
So with that, I'm done. One.
[48:09]
- Yeah, no, I, I agree with Frank.
[48:11]
That's the second time he's written the council.
[48:14]
And to staff's credit it, it's not in Troutdale
[48:18]
so it's difficult for us to really do a lot.
[48:22]
But if we, if there's anything you can think of,
[48:25]
I'll be glad to help out.
[48:26]
I've been complaining about that forever.
[48:29]
It's like I can't imagine seeing homeless camps at the Grand
[48:32]
Canyon or other national parks.
[48:35]
And this is the national and it, it's been going on for,
[48:39]
for far too long and it, it's an asset to our community.
[48:43]
It'll also help us get a development down at our URA
[48:48]
if that can be cleaned up somehow.
[48:52]
And then I also, this time of year I do kind of an annual
[48:56]
safety message to the public about swimming
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in the Sandy River.
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We get a few warm days,
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but it takes a while for that river to warm up.
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And I've actually seen people swimming out there
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and it really frightens me to see 'em.
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But I always say wait till lifeguards start on Memorial Day.
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A MR has lifeguards at Glen Park from
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Memorial Day to Labor Day.
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That's all
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- I think I'd just like to piggyback on
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what Jeffrey said about of the budget
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and the shortfall that I think all of the cities
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around here are in
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and you know, we, we had the public safety fee
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and now we're looking at, well we, that money
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is already allocated and we're gonna ask potentially
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the people for more money.
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And I feel like we,
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before we do that, we, I would this out to you guys.
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Maybe we need to do our part, what we can
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and maybe make a joint statement, get all on board with
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creating something that maybe describes the situation
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that our communities in the cities all around us are in to.
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Hopefully we could all get on board.
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It wouldn't fall on deaf ears
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and maybe get something initiated at a higher level
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because our hands are tied behind our back
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by the powers that be.
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And looking at the budget, it's just depressing.
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So I don't know if anybody would be interested in together
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to do something like that,
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but I think it, it would be worth our time.
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So
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- Can I just say, I sent out an email this afternoon, it's
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president of the League of Oregon Cities.
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He's doing their reception,
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I think it's in June though, two months away.
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But I find that that's a good opportunity to talk
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to them directly 'cause they are usually the lobbying arm
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of the cities at Salem
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and so talk to them directly about your ideas and concepts
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and those sort of events.
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So if anyone can make that, I think
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I could probably make it, somebody wants to go with me
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or maybe a couple want to go with me
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and we'll go lobby it up and see if we can get something.
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Somebody ideas out there. Something.
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- Yeah, that could be good. Ron,
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- What's going on with the old city hall that, you know, I
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- Don't know.
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Am I allowed to say am I, I can only, I can only say rumor
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and hearsay, but they're moving over there, which is nice.
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They are working on the back deck
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and they finished the front pony wall up front on the lower
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side where the brewery side of the business is.
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And I don't know if I'm allowed to just say what I've heard,
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but I've heard I say it right.
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It's okay. I've heard
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that it's a mad cow brewery coming in there,
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so if it's mad Cow Brewery coming in there
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and they're coming in from, and I heard it from more than
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one source.
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So the rumor is is that it's coming from the plaza
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over there in Gresham. Gresham,
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- Yeah.
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- Over to this site.
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So that is, I heard it not only from one of our counselors,
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but also at a community event.
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So my guess is there's some credibility to that,
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but I have not seen the paperwork
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nor verified that that's who's coming in.
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- Yeah. - What I heard at the community event when I talked
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to them, it was the same one
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that there's quite a ways difference between what
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they think the value of that property is
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and what the owner thinks that there's a fair gap.
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So it wasn't looking funny how
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- That worked, - But,
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and you know, my response was, Hey,
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they got themselves into this situation.
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It's, but yeah, somebody, one
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of the businesses contacted me and wanted to get together
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and find out what was going on
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and I said, well, they've been working on it,
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they were working on it every day last week
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- Yes.
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And stuff. But I've seen 'em out there every day
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for the last couple weeks at least.
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So they're making good progress.
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And the real shining light right now is
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the old taste of village.
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Oh yeah. They're doing a phenomenal job with that structure,
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turning it into a hotel bed breakfast.
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So really excited to see that pop up. Other than that, no.
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- Okay, Zach, - Hey there. Thank you.
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Yeah, in light of Arbor Day, I, I guess I wanted
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to let you guys know, I, I did give open comments
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to the Bureau of Land Management last month
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during their comment period.
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They are currently considering a project
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that would open up millions of acres
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to unrestricted logging again across the state.
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So I think it's important that we really
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protect our public lands
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and I just wanted to let you guys know it's
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stuff like that's going on.
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I give public comment. I think it's important
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that we protect our, our state's resources
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and our outdoor industry
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and everything else we have going on there.
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And I heard about, there was unfortunately sound like there
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was a, a tragic death at the Amazon facility here
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in Troutdale on Sunday.
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So just wanted to, you know, say my heart goes out to
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that family and, you know, I hope for due diligence in
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investigating the cause and, you know,
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hopefully prevention in the future if it was related
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to working conditions.
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So, but yeah, I, I, that's all I got for today.
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Thank you guys. Appreciate it.
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- Move you adjourn Second. All in favor say aye. Aye.
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- Aye. - Aye.
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- Adjourned. Well any opposed to that? No, I don't hear it.
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My name. We are adjourned.
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- Hopefully we'll be done Monday. Right.
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Spend an hour ahead in the agenda. If we,
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we did talk to Maxine Decker
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and W's office last week.