[1:00] green. Okay. Wanted to make sure we were all on mic. So, yeah.

[1:04] » Okay. Thank you. Uh, any presentations? >> There are none this evening.

[1:07] » None. Okay. First order of business is a public hearing number 1977 to receive

[1:14] public comment regarding the conditional use application for 31 through 49 Eastn

[1:19] Road submitted by Building Blocks LLC to use as a child care center and for

[1:25] educational purposes. Uh Mr. Kenny, would you take this over? Sure.

[1:31] » Could you just do a motion to open the public hearing?

[1:33] » Okay. Uh I'll make a motion. Do we have a second to open the meeting? Second.

[1:38] Okay. All in favor? >> I

[1:41] » Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and mark some exhibits administratively

[1:46] first before we actually get to the public hearing. Uh the public hearing uh

[1:51] has been advertised in our newspaper of general general circulation and that

[1:56] will be T1 on the 19th of July and the 26th of July. Uh T2 will be a a picture

[2:05] that's in your packet, a copy of the posting of this public hearing. Uh T3

[2:11] will be a copy of the conditional and the posting is actually of two uh two

[2:16] different pictures which will both fall under T2. Uh T3 will be a copy of the

[2:21] additional conditional use application uh received by the township on March

[2:26] 23rd uh 2026. Uh and in that uh will be an application

[2:32] uh several exhibits and illustrations. Uh T4,

[2:37] hold on. T4 will be a the recommendation of the

[2:43] Montgomery County uh planning commission dated July 2nd uh 2026.

[2:51] As well as any recommendations that uh the APA uh made related to this. Uh as

[2:59] you're well aware in the conditional use process, the board of commissioners sits

[3:03] like the zoning hearing board in a quasi judicial fashion. Um so uh one of the

[3:09] things we have to ask is if anyone is seeking party status in this uh in this

[3:15] hearing. Uh party status doesn't mean that you can't comment at the end of the

[3:20] hearing. There's always an opportunity for public comment uh at the end of the

[3:24] hearing itself. The party status means that you would go ahead uh you would

[3:28] live uh within generally 500 feet of uh of the property that you would um uh or

[3:37] be a community organization uh recognized by the township. Then you

[3:41] would have the ability to cross-examine witnesses uh call any witnesses

[3:45] yourself. Uh so I just want to see for the record is anyone requesting party

[3:49] status. Okay, seeing that no one is requesting

[3:53] party status, I was given a series of exhibits before this hearing uh by the

[3:59] applicant's attorney uh marked as A1. And I'm going to keep one copy for my

[4:05] myself and then pass it down to the board of commissioners. Uh and uh at

[4:10] this time, I would invite the applicant's attorney to come up. Uh do

[4:14] you have any witnesses you want to swear in? Okay, maybe we can swear them in

[4:18] first.

[4:24] Good evening. John Penningham for the applicant and with me is the applicant

[4:29] uh representative of the uh blocking building blocks LLC Kel and to her left

[4:38] is the landlord representative Nina Lang Langden who will testify about the site

[4:44] conditions. Uh K will testify about the daycare center and its operations. So

[4:49] I'd ask that both of them be sorted.

[4:56] » Y a N l.

[5:06] » Yes.

[5:09] Mina. N I N A L. L A N G D O N

[5:22] » you gave to me which I handed a board of commissioners series uh exhibit A1 it's

[5:29] one two three four uh six pages correct

[5:38] » there and I also what handmark is A2 which is a site plan

[5:45] too

[5:49] » and the site plan was submitted to Mr. to tell in advance and I believe part of

[5:52] your package then perhaps in fact he gave us additional

[5:59] » thank you.

[6:13] So, if you if it's okay, I'll refer to K as K and Nina as Nita and uh just

[6:19] explain uh in a brawer scenario and have Kay affirm what I'm about to say about

[6:24] the daycare center if that's okay. Kay has already been an operator of a

[6:29] daycare center in Chelham Township. Very familiar with the state licensing

[6:33] requirements and township licensing requirements. Um she's aware from her

[6:38] experience that the number of attendees, a term used in your ordinance, or

[6:44] children, uh is dictated by the square footage of the site of the lease space.

[6:50] She'll be leasing 31 Eastern Road, uh a unit that I believe is um 3,495

[6:58] square feet. So that measurement will be determining factor of what uh how many

[7:04] children can be attendees within the daycare center. Um

[7:10] recognizing the uh township's limitation of 40 square ft. Um, so that's an

[7:16] entirely will comply position that that we would accept as a

[7:21] condition that both with regard to the township ordinance and the state

[7:25] licensing requirements of measurement. K will comply with those dictates. So she

[7:31] doesn't have a target number of attendees. It's going to be a derivative

[7:34] of that analysis both with the state uh department of public welfare

[7:39] requirements and uh your ordinance requirements. Um

[7:44] » if there was some kind of approval, you would agree that that is a condition?

[7:48] » Yes. >> Okay. Um there is um a uh on the site

[7:55] plan there's a proposed ex exterior playground area and uh in working with

[8:01] Mr. Patel uh reviewing the requirements there will be a proposed fence

[8:05] surrounding the playground area 6 feet in height. We originally proposed eight

[8:10] realized that was not compliant. So, we'll comply with the six ft enclosure.

[8:15] Um, there's another issue. Is this all right if I just go through the issues?

[8:20] Okay. Thank you. There's a a dumpster in loca near location to the playground

[8:25] area that is already planned to be moved. Um, the difficulty is um Nina

[8:33] will tell you that she has gotten conflicting advice from the township as

[8:37] where they can move that dumpster. uh she wanted to move it to the Davis Road

[8:43] uh portion of the site and uh she was told that you can't put that near Davis

[8:48] Road. So where it's another will comply wherever we can put the dumpster away

[8:53] from the playground area. We'll work with the township to do that.

[8:59] » So you would agree uh to uh to a condition that you would move to the

[9:04] dumpster to the satisfaction of the township's uh building code official?

[9:09] Yep. And that's fine. We'd accept that condition.

[9:11] » All right. >> U third is the parking requirements.

[9:15] Very very much aware of what the township requires. Um if you if you look

[9:20] at the site plan uh for a moment, what I refer to as

[9:24] » A2 E2. Yeah. A2. Uh to the right uh in the strip center is not u this

[9:33] landlord's uh ownership. It's starting with 31 Eastern Road least least unit to

[9:39] the left. Is that correct? >> You're standing on Eastn Road

[9:44] » looking looking. Yeah. Okay. Um, so but point I'm trying to orient that's what I

[9:50] like about the photos to give you pictures worth a thousand words give you

[9:53] a sense of the local. Uh the landlord has been waiting to uh see what develops

[9:59] with this particular unit and then we'll repave the parking and restripe the

[10:05] parking in conformance and compliance with the township requirements

[10:10] and then uh we'll be able to if you look at exhibit two there is a specified

[10:15] number of parking spaces on there already. uh they'll be restriped uh with

[10:20] with clear markings uh ground level markings. In addition, there will be

[10:26] clear markings for drop off and and pickup areas. Uh and Nina explain

[10:32] orienting to the photos where that drop off and pickup area will be. Uh in this

[10:38] particular uh instance in this local the configuration of the improvement the

[10:44] structure has that indentation which will allow uh parents, guardians and and

[10:51] people dropping off the children to come in away from the that flow traffic flow

[10:56] area and drop off the children. So it almost is a I don't want to say an ideal

[11:01] location but it's a preferable location for that. Um Nina will show you where

[11:07] the main entrance will be and orienting to the photographs you have. And um as

[11:13] far as uh the uh Kay's aware of the annual permit review with the township

[11:21] anticipating to comply much like Sheltonham Township, she's aware of that

[11:25] condition and that requirement. uh she's aware of the consent uh notice that is

[11:30] to be provided to the township that directs the department of public welfare

[11:34] to provide township immediate notice of any suspension, revocation or

[11:38] termination of the state license for the daycare center. So again, that's another

[11:43] condition that we readily accept. It's in the ordinary course of business.

[11:49] Um

[11:53] there is an existing romper room uh in the in Nenah's uh not in Nah's company's

[12:00] ownership but again that romper room has been in that local for a number of years

[12:08] » since pre-COVID I don't >> yeah so in the 1990s and so the point

[12:13] I'm making there is there's no there has been no

[12:17] issues of traffic flow, interruption, noise, or anything of that sort

[12:22] associated with the romper room, which will be almost next door to where 31

[12:26] Eastern Road will be. Um, checking off my checklist, your

[12:32] ordinance has a provision that I reviewed with Mr. Patel and the

[12:36] solicitors uh with regard to tobacco shops. So there's an existing tobacco

[12:41] shop in the strip center in the non nonrecord owners local except your

[12:46] ordinance as I interpreted it and I believe Mr. Kenny agrees I think so that

[12:51] that ordinance is to prohibit a tobacco shop from moving in on a daycare center

[12:57] not the opposite. A daycare center can move into a local where there is a

[13:01] tobacco shop. Um so I I was concerned at the outset when Kay engaged me because I

[13:07] was aware of that ordinance provision and concerned with how that would be

[13:10] construed. But my understanding is uh that ordinance provision for

[13:15] I'm going to say B the B34 use uh that is doesn't require K

[13:22] to go before your zoning hearing. That was what my main concern was. So, uh,

[13:27] subject to your review, uh, we there's no need for variance relief is what I'm

[13:32] saying. Um,

[13:38] K will enter into a house into a a lease property and with the landlord and that

[13:44] is um, uh, long-term in sense of being there to stay and operate this daycare

[13:50] center. Um, I would mention that your uh the county's planning commission uh

[13:56] endorses this use within the uh in compliance with your Montgomery County

[14:02] comprehensive plan and in compliance with um I'm not sure I know what this

[14:06] is, but my code 2040, a shared vision. So both of those uh countywide documents

[14:12] uh allow for this use uh for daycare uh um center operation and educational

[14:20] uses. U there is a number of um uh recommendations to you that within that

[14:27] uh planning commission July 2 letter uh which I've reviewed with K and uh with

[14:34] Mina. So, we're prepared to go through them and and basically answer any

[14:40] questions that you have regarding those. Last item, if I could, is the buffer

[14:46] requirements in your ordinance. The problem is this is a long standing strip

[14:50] center and we own my client's landlord owns a portion of the strip center. So,

[14:56] there's little ability to create new buffering. uh but subject to your review

[15:02] and your uh recommendations, but it's a it's as I said, it's a long-standing

[15:08] existing shopping center that K is simply moving into a vacant unit, unit

[15:12] uh 31 Eastern, that unit. Um the

[15:19] solid waste removal, we'll address that. Um that'll be because I recognize in

[15:24] your ordinance that a daycare center is in considered a facility much like a

[15:29] hospital or a home that cares for people. So whatever the will comply

[15:35] whatever requirements relate to solid waste disposal will be complied with. Um

[15:46] there is a basement in the in the lease space. No. Okay. wrong wrong case.

[15:52] Sorry, so we don't have exterior access issues there. Um

[15:57] just going through my my list parking.

[16:02] Um with that, I'll introduce Kay to you and just ask her some questions and then

[16:08] open the floor if you have questions for K. K.

[16:11] » Hello. >> So you heard me give a summary to the

[16:15] board of commissioners. >> Is there anything I said that you do not

[16:18] agree with? I think it was perfect. Perfect.

[16:21] » That's nice. Is there anything you want to add on?

[16:24] » No, I think it was perfect. Um I I can't think of anything that was

[16:29] missed. Um unless you guys had questions for me that I can try to answer.

[16:35] » So I think the whole thing's put might generate a question might answer a

[16:39] question. Sorry, the end. >> So let me ask one more question. K. Is

[16:42] there anything you want to add to what I said?

[16:44] » Um no. >> Okay. There is one. Okay.

[16:48] » Hours of operation. So this this location is in a residential mixed

[16:53] residential commercial area including the Rog Grove Mall. So K application

[16:58] that she prepared she has proposed 6:00 am 10 p.m. Um and her view is that that

[17:06] spans the time frame that really will be use usable if I can put it that way by

[17:12] residents wanting to have their children uh uh cared for at the daycare center.

[17:17] Uh, I recognize that's a long period of time, but your ordinance says um part of

[17:24] a day doesn't have a precise limitation. And I'm not arguing that. I'm just

[17:29] saying that's what it says. And as far as the attendees, it also says a a

[17:33] suitable number of attendees. So, I already addressed that in terms of the

[17:37] compliance issue with the state and and your local requirements. But those um

[17:43] those are the opening issues that I have. And uh with that, I'll I'll ask

[17:47] Nina to step up.

[17:51] » Nina, would you um what I'd like you to do is if you could walk through exhibit

[17:56] B1, each of the colored photographs that we have presented to the board and to

[18:00] Michel just explain what you see in that

[18:03] photograph. And let me ask you this. Who took these photographs?

[18:08] » Pages.

[18:12] And I'm not >> Someone needs to speak into the

[18:15] microphone. >> Uh I'm not sure who took the photographs

[18:18] to be honest. >> I received them and I had an automatic

[18:21] question that were these taken without any alteration of what was appearing in

[18:26] the lens of the camera. The answer to me was no. This is an act. Each of these

[18:30] photographs are accurate uh depictions of what was in the camera lens. So there

[18:35] was no manipulation of what? Okay. So Nina, I'll let you go and just explain

[18:40] what what is in each what the vision is in each photo.

[18:45] » Okay. So I'm looking at the photograph that kind of in the middle you can see a

[18:49] sign that says Paradise Halal Market above there. Um the

[18:55] » that's the first page of the package I gave.

[18:58] » So the doorway there's two doors. The door directly to the left of the green

[19:04] dumpster, that's the Halal Market. uh and career entrance.

[19:09] » The door to the left of that, it has a 31 on it. That would be uh Kay's main

[19:14] entrance where she would have uh drop off and pick up of the children.

[19:18] » Can I interrupt you just for a minute? So, this is the what I call the

[19:22] indentation uh of the strip center. So, cars can

[19:26] literally pull in. And is that where the markings, the ground markings will be

[19:31] provided? So, the cars will come out of the the traffic flow lane of the strip

[19:35] center and be able to pull into this in what I call the indentation area uh to

[19:40] drop off children and pick them up.

[19:49] » So, the the second photo um is mostly of the parking lot and there's like a looks

[19:55] like an office building in the rear uh vision of the photo. Uh all the way to

[20:01] the left side of that photo, you can see the edge of the building and it looks

[20:06] like there's like a line kind of painted out. This is the area where the

[20:10] playground is going to be built and fenced in. And one of the things that

[20:15] the Montgomery County Commission had mentioned that they wanted bowlers

[20:20] placed around the outside of the fence and we've agreed to comply with that.

[20:25] every five feet seems to be uh the standard from what my research shows.

[20:30] So, we will be installing those on the outside to protect the fence as well.

[20:34] » There's another photo that has a red square that I'll point out further. And

[20:38] is this uh >> still on the second photo?

[20:41] » We're still on the second photo. So, this ground area is to to the bottom of

[20:45] the photograph. is that parking area that that um um 31 Eastern LLC controls.

[20:55] » No. So, basically the you could see where I I mentioned this line comes out

[21:01] that if that line extended straight out to Davisville Road and deep into the

[21:07] picture, that's what we control. Anything from this line and behind is

[21:11] the next property owner. It's not something that we control.

[21:15] » All right. So the vehicles in the photograph in the middle of photograph

[21:19] that's your >> space area and that's where you will you

[21:22] will repave that parking area and restripe it correct.

[21:32] So, this next photo is the front of the center uh taken from Eastn Road

[21:40] and

[21:45] it it looked like you're actually st if you're standing where the picture was

[21:50] taken, the space 31 is directly to your right. It's actually not in this

[21:54] picture. The rest of the center that we own is in front of you in this picture.

[21:59] » And the reason for the photo, all the space in front of that those shot is

[22:05] your ground area. Will that also be repaved and restriped?

[22:08] » Correct.

[22:13] Okay. So, this next photo um shows again the rear. This is what

[22:19] John was mentioning. The red line uh around the back on the right side,

[22:25] that's where the playground area will be. And you can kind of see that that

[22:30] part of the building that's ours. And everything to the left of that is a

[22:35] different property.

[22:39] » And that the red box will be enclosed with a six foot high fence and the

[22:43] ballards will be surrounding the exterior of that fence.

[22:47] » Correct. And I'll just ask you, well, I I'll make

[22:52] a representation that this work has to be done before the state issues the

[22:57] license to allow the daycare center to operate. So, not only would it be a

[23:02] requirement and condition of the township to be fulfilled, it's also a

[23:05] requirement of Department of Public Welfare.

[23:10] Uh the next picture is taken from Eastston Road and in the middle you can

[23:17] see the the first blue awning that's the Zulu

[23:22] vape shop. To the left of that is a beauty supply and the beauty supply and

[23:30] all to the right is not our property. the very just to the left of the beauty

[23:36] shop. That is the 31 Eastern Road and that's the space that Kay would be uh

[23:42] leasing from us. >> And and we took this photo and put it in

[23:45] the package when we weren't sure how Zulu the tobacco shop would play into

[23:50] this. So we wanted to orient you to where the tobacco shop was in connection

[23:54] with the lease space. Uh the next is a photo that

[24:02] » aerial photo uh showing you the entire property and it gives you a better

[24:07] vision of what the current parking lot striping is. So all of that it'll be uh

[24:14] the parking lot will be resealed and all those same parking spots will be painted

[24:18] just as they are today. We're not lowering or increasing the parking

[24:23] spaces. It'll all be the same. Now, while you're on that subject, as

[24:28] far as complying with the township board's parking spaces for the daycare

[24:33] center, is the landlord uh going to provide uh the requisite parking spaces

[24:40] to comply with the um township ordinance?

[24:43] » Yes. >> And so I would I would propose that's

[24:48] why I asked Nina to be here. And I would propose that if there's a condition of

[24:52] compliance as we restripe this, we have the landlord committing to comply with

[24:57] the condition in connection with the property.

[25:04] » And then is the

[25:08] the site plan >> um which

[25:12] » exhibit A2. Yeah, A2. Uh, and this basically shows you uh the

[25:19] center. Uh, it's the Shinghar beauty all the way to the right from there all the

[25:24] way to the right is not our property. Um, but everything from 31 east and to

[25:30] the left and this uh site plan is ours. shows you uh we have the 17 parking

[25:38] spots in the front and then in the back we've got 63 parking spots. Uh and we

[25:46] have the directional arrows just showing how the traffic flow will

[25:51] go and where the drop off spot is at the entrance that I had pointed out in the

[25:56] previous photograph. Um, if we are, this is this was our best guess of what you

[26:03] guys would be looking for as far as the directional arrows. So, if there's

[26:07] something else that you want, we're happy to comply with that to satisfy the

[26:11] township's requirements.

[26:18] » Related to that, you would condition be acceptable subject to uh any

[26:23] recommendations from the township's traffic engineer. Correct.

[26:26] » Yes. and and acceptable. Yep. Um

[26:35] I think that covers all my points and so any if you have any questions of me or

[26:39] either witness >> uh I'll start out uh quickly the front

[26:46] door will that be used at all? Drop in, drop off, in and out.

[26:51] » Um >> we need to come up to the microphone.

[26:55] We haven't quite decided yet, but we we prefer it to be in the rear where the

[26:59] arrows are going to be to direct the traffic and have a easier flow in and

[27:04] out. Um we may use it for just emergencies or if we put a classroom up

[27:10] there, we may use that entrance. But um as of right now, we're using the

[27:18] » uh the fence in the back. Will there be a gate to the parking lot?

[27:25] » Mean an entrance in the gate or >> an entrance for the inside of that

[27:29] fenced area 20 by 25 >> playground area.

[27:32] » Will there be a gate or a way to get out of that without stop going through the

[27:36] building? >> Yes. In case of emergencies because it

[27:41] it does back up to one of our rear ent um entrances or exits. So, if we had to

[27:46] get out of the back, we need to have a way to eress from the play area.

[27:54] Uh, let me see. As far as

[27:59] the drop off and not necessar particularly here,

[28:05] maybe your other place. How many drop offs during prime time do

[28:12] you expect? I know this is a guess, but you know,

[28:17] whatever your hours are, especially in like the morning hours or whatever, uh,

[28:22] in other words, are we expecting to see four cars waiting to drop bids off, 10

[28:28] cars? We don't know the operation that you have,

[28:32] » right? So, it does vary on the the schedules of the parents. Um, so

[28:36] occasionally you may get two or three people that show up at the same time.

[28:40] Some days are running late or been a lot of days are running late.

[28:44] But um they it varies. It it does vary. Um most of the parents will try to get

[28:52] there by the drop off time which will be 9:00. We have a grace period of 9:15 to

[28:58] arrive so we can get our day started. So roughly

[29:03] I guess between 8 and 9 is the busiest time

[29:06] » in the morning. >> In the morning.

[29:10] » That's all I have for you. You have a little dimensional.

[29:12] » Okay. As far as uh the dimensional on your plan, you show the parking along

[29:21] the front of the building. >> You don't

[29:25] get >> Yes.

[29:26] » You don't show the parking spaces that are along the sidewalk on that plan, but

[29:34] they are striped as parking spots next to the sidewalk

[29:38] as of now. >> Yes. Uh we didn't include those because

[29:44] we are looking in the next year or so to actually uh put a pylon sign hopefully

[29:51] in the front and if we put a pylon sign we have to eliminate those. I think it's

[29:55] two maybe three spots there. So I didn't want to include them in the anticipation

[30:01] that they'll likely be eliminated. >> Try to find your pictures to hear.

[30:06] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know what you're talking about. And when we looked at

[30:10] we've engaged with a sign company and we're waiting on drawings back, but in

[30:15] our looking at it, the only place for us to put a pylon sign is kind of in the

[30:20] middle of those spots and that just basically eliminates them all. Uh,

[30:26] do you feel there's enough parking here as it sits as the land and

[30:35] say manager of the property to add this business in?

[30:40] I do the and especially because I've been at the center multiple

[30:48] different times during the day, morning, afternoon, late afternoon, and

[30:54] we have it. I've never seen the parking lot even 3/4 full. it just the the uses

[31:02] that we have in there now. They're just there's not a lot of

[31:08] cars that park there. It's more uh in and out type thing. Uh so I definitely

[31:14] think that it won't be an issue. >> So now here's the question. Where your

[31:20] drop off is inside of the little 90 degree area. Uh you have a it looks like

[31:27] two parking spaces there. uh where the drop off pickup is between the building

[31:33] bump and the entrance door. >> Correct.

[31:38] » Are they essential parking spots? Are they handicapped or anything? Because if

[31:44] we're having cars pulling in, dropping kids off there and stuff, you might have

[31:50] a car there backing up. You know, you're trying to get in there. Uh are is that

[31:54] spot I think you chose two of them central to this to your shopping center?

[32:01] » I don't believe so. And if you you would like us to eliminate them or maybe make

[32:07] them only for drop off. >> It's only coming from me. Everybody else

[32:11] might have other questions. But yes. >> Yeah.

[32:13] » I don't want kids with a movement where a car could be moving in and out or

[32:17] break there when it's really enclosed three sides.

[32:21] » Yes. No, it's it's two spots. I don't think it it's not going to make or break

[32:26] anything. >> My last question to you is you're going

[32:28] to pave the front well both front and back,

[32:32] » correct? >> Are you going to do anything to the

[32:36] sidewalks in a little disrepair out front along

[32:40] Easter road while you're paving? >> Uh, honestly, we haven't looked at it.

[32:46] If it's something that uh is required, we will take care of it.

[32:51] » Okay. Just general question. That's all >> with that.

[32:57] » Anybody here? Sure. Yeah. >> All right. In addition to the interior

[33:02] space calculation perennsylvania law, there's also a requirement for the

[33:08] outdoor play space. How many kids can you fit in that pro proposed play space?

[33:15] In the outdoor play space, we're looking maybe between 10 and 15 children.

[33:20] » And what would make it 10 and what would make it 15?

[33:22] » The ages of the children. So, um, every, well, you have infants, young toddlers,

[33:28] older toddlers, and preschoolers. And they require different spaces based on

[33:31] their age or square foot.

[33:36] And

[33:39] getting back to the interior calculation

[33:44] that is a we need something to go on to understand the amount of traffic that's

[33:50] coming in and out of this facility and

[33:56] I are is there no estimate that you can make based on knowing that you will have

[34:01] an office you will have this sort of uh equipment uh uh you know those items

[34:07] that are taken out of the calculation for the amount of space you have. So do

[34:12] you have any idea with with a good degree of

[34:18] uh confidence how many children you're looking to serve?

[34:22] » Um I will I will estimate maybe 40. I'm not sure because

[34:28] some spaces um they deduct space for like bathrooms hallways and so the

[34:34] depending on the configuration that we decide to use to maximize the space will

[34:40] depend on that. >> I I can answer that a little bit more

[34:44] fully if you will. Your section 35019C4F of your ordinance does say you exclude

[34:52] uh hallways, kitchen areas, bath areas, staff areas, and utility rooms. So I

[34:59] believe that's consistent with the DVW requirements. And so that is a will

[35:03] comply and that will whatever that calculation is for this specific space

[35:08] will dictate the number of children that will be

[35:12] allowed to be on premises. Well, that that's not leading to any

[35:16] sort of compliance by telling you you'll take those items out of the calculation.

[35:21] » No, I'm saying it'll it'll reduce in other words, it is a it is a limited

[35:26] calculation but not on base not on total floor area but on dedicated floor area.

[35:32] So Kay already understands that what that calculation what the product of

[35:37] that calculation will dictate in terms of the number of children that can be on

[35:42] premises. >> Right. So we all we all read that but

[35:46] that's that's not getting us any further to complying. So

[35:49] » it's it's vacant space. It's going to be fitted out and that's part of

[35:53] » it's going to be Yeah. Yeah, we don't have we don't have a plan to react to to

[35:57] say uh okay I I I understand your plan to have x number of children

[36:04] um and uh it it you know it could vary by a few

[36:10] here or there based on this or that I don't have anything to go and without

[36:14] that why it's important to me is that in order to understand um and assess

[36:21] parking safety egress and ingress um you know the amount of of pedestrians

[36:27] that are going to be there. We need we need actual plans. We need something

[36:31] something concrete to go on. I absolutely understand that. Um however,

[36:38] until K receives approval for a particular

[36:41] site, the state won't get involved and do the computations and do a site visit.

[36:47] And so we're it's the chicken and the egg situation. One of the things I would

[36:51] recommend or propose is that we have a post approval condition of complying

[36:58] with the oversight by Mr. Patel or or uh or your your solicitor.

[37:07] » Yeah. Yeah. So, I I'm not trying to dodge your question. We just don't have

[37:12] a definitive answer right now. Right. They

[37:17] » Yeah. Um

[37:22] I I want to confirm that you're saying you cannot add any sort of landscaping

[37:27] or streetscaping of any kind. >> Are we adding it or

[37:32] » No, there there's a requirement for buffering. But you

[37:36] » the the 98% or 99% of our property is currently

[37:45] concrete parking lot or building. There's a little strip along Davisfell

[37:49] Road between the parking lot and the road itself. There's

[37:54] nowhere to be able to put anything

[38:03] » and none of the surrounding properties have anything either.

[38:09] Um,

[38:13] and I think what we're looking at there is the strip of ground you have on

[38:16] Davisville Road in the back of it that you could possibly put a tree or two

[38:22] along Davisville Road. >> What's the width of that strip?

[38:27] » I don't know the width of it. >> I don't know, but

[38:33] you'd be wrong.

[38:37] It's >> I mean part of our problem with if we've

[38:43] planted something, we don't have the ability to water it and make sure that

[38:46] it stays alive. Uh we just don't do not have the

[38:51] capacity to um and if we plant something and then it

[38:56] dies then it's I don't know how we maintain it to be

[39:01] honest. I'm not trying to be difficult with that piece

[39:06] or anything, but it just seems very difficult for us to maintain.

[39:13] With regard to the ballards around the play area, I

[39:19] I would expect to see a plan. You expect you to show up with a plan since we knew

[39:25] that that is a requirement uh to to have safety around that play area. So, it's

[39:31] also hard to assess if uh what you're saying is adequate because it's not

[39:38] really a plan that's been submitted to us.

[39:41] » But but we offered it as a condition that we would comply with the the both

[39:46] the uh planning commission's recommendation and your requirements for

[39:52] ballards in a dimensional pattern around the uh exterior fenced program.

[40:00] I understand.

[40:04] » But we're making an offer of of commitment.

[40:07] » Explain the offer again one more time to the board. Explain the offer to the

[40:11] board. >> The offer is to comply with uh the

[40:14] recommendation of a county planning commission in terms of installing

[40:17] Ballards around the fence playground area and whatever your director of

[40:21] planning >> official such as the building code

[40:24] official and or the township engineer or traffic engineer.

[40:27] » Correct.

[40:30] Um, with regard to traffic, uh, has any engineering uh, staff member or K or or

[40:38] um, council or anyone taken a look at at these plans to determine

[40:45] uh, the recommendations about whether they think it's it's it's safe or not.

[40:51] » We have not uh, engaged traffic study engineer. uh this is a that we're

[40:57] replacing a tenant within this space and uh

[41:01] » the use >> this is a use application

[41:03] » permitted use and this >> right

[41:07] I would point out though just to step back that the exhibit A does have a a

[41:12] box legend about the ballards committing to the ballards on this on this plan as

[41:18] » pretty vague I get commissioner saying that

[41:24] Well, what I'd see is a five foot intervals on all three sides of the

[41:27] exterior of the playground enclosure. If that as an example, if if five feet is

[41:33] not adequate in your view, we'll we'll put them in whatever dimension.

[41:37] » Obviously, the commissioner would talk to our township professionals and

[41:41] consult with you and getting together obviously a safe plan.

[41:44] » Right. Right. If the board if the board, you know, imposes that condition and

[41:51] there's an approved >> and we would work with the township

[41:56] » uh daycare centers are very much needed. I'm trying to get enough information out

[42:00] of you to be able to make the inappropriate decision.

[42:04] » And and commissioner, the only thing I'll say is that there's seasonality to

[42:07] this application. So we're we're not we Kay filed it uh actually before I was

[42:13] engaged and and in March and so we've been trying to react. I think um uh the

[42:20] perfectly understand the point of a definitive plan, but what we're trying

[42:24] to say is we'll commit to those definite requirements as as we develop the the

[42:30] lynch pin is we have to get the site use approval, then deal with the Department

[42:36] of Public Welfare and at the same time deal with your

[42:40] Yeah.

[42:48] I just have one about the dumpster. Uh I know where it is now and where in the

[42:52] site plan. What was the reasoning behind where is

[42:56] it being positioned and will will the dump dump truck be able to sanitation

[43:01] truck be able to adequately get in with a full parking lot to empty the trash at

[43:06] that location? >> Uh yes. So the where we proposed to put

[43:12] it uh was as far away from the entrance as possible and because we

[43:21] as I had mentioned like we we can't put it in the on the house

[43:27] the edges of our property right because the parking lot of the neighboring uh

[43:33] strip center it absuts it. So along the Davisville Road edge is the only spot

[43:39] that we can really put it. Uh I do believe that there is sufficient

[43:42] clearance uh to put it there and if it would be preferred to put it uh on the

[43:50] other side of that egress. Uh we're open to moving it wherever

[43:57] uh the township would prefer along that Davis roadside. It's it's honestly it's

[44:02] I don't know that we have an option to put it anywhere else. Again

[44:09] to reiterate, you'll agree to whatever the building code official dictates

[44:13] related to that. >> Yes.

[44:17] » Just a question. Is there any natural light in this building other than the

[44:21] door? >> I don't see windows.

[44:25] » There's windows in the front >> and the side and a door is clear on the

[44:30] in the rear. Would you go all the way back and there are no no additional

[44:35] natural light? >> No, it's an enclosed rental unit on the

[44:39] sides. >> I see in line. Yes,

[44:41] » I see that there were windows. I don't know whether you were thinking about

[44:46] removing >> previously, but currently there in the

[44:50] front I don't know if you guys

[44:59] with regard to the other tenants that are in your property. Um like in the

[45:05] picture it shows Paradise Pal and their door is about 3 ft away from the

[45:11] entrance to the daycare. Um, are they upstairs? Is this the floor building?

[45:17] Where are they located? Because in none of the other schematics, we you talk a

[45:20] lot about the store that you are on your property, but I didn't see where that's

[45:25] specifically located. >> So, that the door that you see that's

[45:28] kind of next to the dumpster. That's actually their rear entrance. It's not a

[45:31] customer entrance. It's something that they use to exit to the rear because

[45:35] that dumpster is actually the dumpster that they use. Uh, and if you came

[45:41] around to the pictures that showed the front, their entrance is on the front

[45:47] and it's

[45:51] you can

[45:56] um maybe the third photo.

[46:00] » Third photo. Yeah. We're looking >> Burger King at the end.

[46:04] » Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So they're that very first kind of space where you can see

[46:08] that kind of green and beige column or that next space right there.

[46:14] » You would only expect that rear door to be used

[46:18] » by their day type low traffic. >> Correct. Correct. Yeah. They don't they

[46:24] don't allow to use that entrance. It's really only a business rear entrance or

[46:30] exit I guess. Could I ask another just brief question? Sure.

[46:36] » Do you have the um authority to ask the market next door? I noticed things that

[46:43] it looks perhaps like a a stepladder up against the side. I'm looking at picture

[46:48] number one and the things that they have there don't strike me as being things

[46:53] that you would want. They look like attractive nuisances and maybe some

[46:57] danger for children. you have the ability to ask other

[47:01] » businesses to not do that? >> Yes, we can make sure that they clean

[47:05] that up and that's removed from there. >> Thank you.

[47:18] » Closing anything? >> No, just uh I think um one of the

[47:22] commissioners said the daycare was necessary. I asked Kay what she thought

[47:25] and she said it's she has a lot of response, a lot of reaction to her

[47:30] community about opening up a daycare center in Upper Morland. So people are

[47:34] anxious to see if this gets approved. You might closing remark we would ask

[47:39] you to approve this use application. Thank you.

[47:44] » Once that's done, see if there's any followup.

[47:48] One more thing, I would still

[47:52] along the road with some higher figures. So, usually keep them alive long enough.

[47:57] Uh, and you don't have to water a tree once it's actually working. Just a

[48:02] comment. Uh, anybody from public would like to speak on this?

[48:09] Sure. Did I come up the microphone? >> This or something?

[48:13] » About this? >> No.

[48:14] » Oh, okay. >> All right. With that, uh, I'll take a

[48:17] motion to close. >> Nigel

[48:23] moved. >> All in favor say I.

[48:27] » I. >> So, the public understands the board

[48:31] then has 45 days to issue a decision. uh we would anticipate that there would be

[48:37] uh within those 45 days some kind of action and if the board was grant some

[48:42] kind of approval there would be a series of conditions and then it would be up

[48:45] that they were acceptable to the applicant at a time just so everyone

[48:49] understands what the process is going forward because this is quadai judicial

[48:53] uh we can um the board can deliberate or talk about these uh proposed conditions

[49:00] and if they want to move forward with the approval behind closed doors just so

[49:03] folks

[49:06] I agree with that. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

[49:10] » This is a general. We would be voting on this next one.

[49:13] » Yes, we would. >> It's not on the agenda.

[49:16] » Of course, we would we would hope that get some consensus of the board, get

[49:20] proposed conditions. If there was some kind of approval, get consensus of the

[49:23] board looking at those and then vote on something or not.

[49:27] » This is closed. >> This is closed. The hearing is closed.

[49:31] » Thank you. Thank you. Next, uh now we'll get to in

[49:36] the regular meeting. Okay. Okay. You won't bother us. Clean up and don't

[49:42] worry about uh public comments not agenda items only. Now, is anything that

[49:48] you want to address to the board that's not on the agenda? You can come up to

[49:52] the

[50:06] new to hearing aids. So I got I've been turned way up to hear what was going on.

[50:10] Now I got to way down.

[50:14] Sorry about that. >> Please.

[50:16] » My name is John Dunl. Most people know me about Jack.

[50:22] I live at 2319 Fairway Road Valley up in township. I'm here to represent my mom

[50:27] and dad who live at 183 Lookout lanes in the township as well. Um

[50:34] uh what what's going on there is um they have like a problem with their their

[50:40] curve on on their their house. Um hard to describe. It's it's we all know that,

[50:46] you know, you have your sidewalk and then you have like what I'll call the

[50:49] apron that goes down and then you have the curve, you know, that's about, you

[50:53] know, 6 in 8 in wide that that is depressed at the part where the car

[50:58] leaves and goes onto the road. Well, um those is sever is uh deteriorating

[51:04] severely and um you know it goes back years. It's not something that just

[51:09] happened like this year last year since um and you know I we've been kind of

[51:14] looking into it and in 2019

[51:19] um the summer of 2019 uh there was a large project on that

[51:23] road where they replaced the water lines uh involved from what I understand

[51:27] obviously aqua um there was repairs to the road the roads were paved so there I

[51:33] guess there were many people in it at the same time um And apparently during

[51:39] the time there, you know, one must assume some somehow that the

[51:43] homeowner had some involvement somewhere as to like what parts of the sidewalks

[51:48] or what parts of the curbs could be addressed at that time. I don't know if

[51:52] there was cost sharing on or at that time or what or you know something they

[51:56] said like oh we're doing this project. Uh we know that sidewalks and the curbs

[52:01] are the homeowner's responsibility as my parents recall it and maybe some

[52:05] of the neighbors and no not maybe some of the neighbors recall it something

[52:10] happened that with respect to cost sharing where they could say all right

[52:14] you know now you have the opportunity to pick out these pieces of sidewalk that

[52:18] you want to be replaced and that's evident by fact even on my own parents

[52:24] I got the pictures that I I sent

[52:30] I responded right now. >> Okay. I I have some copies I took this

[52:33] afternoon. I could pass around. It's uh >> just so you know, we do not go back and

[52:39] forth with you. So, >> give us all your information.

[52:44] » There's no need for pictures then. So, >> we don't want that.

[52:48] » So, there's no need for pictures then. Good. So what has happened then is that

[52:51] the curb in their area is so severely deteriorated and if you compare it to

[52:56] the rest of the street, it is literally on the entire street of Lookout Lane

[53:00] where that whole project occurred, it is literally the only one that has this

[53:05] severe deterioration to the point that it's a safety hazard. Literally the only

[53:09] one. I took a close look at it and I initially sent a letter to um Susan who

[53:15] represents our ward and I said, "Well, you know, we really don't, you know, we

[53:19] can't figure out what's going on here." I thought um either um either during

[53:24] that big project it was repaired um and those repairs weren't done right and it

[53:28] wore down prematurely or and this is what probably this is what almost

[53:34] certainly happened um when those repairs were done and homeowners were given the

[53:39] opportunity to say yes or no to portions of their sidewalk and or curbs that need

[53:44] to be replaced. This somehow got missed and I'm convinced that that's what

[53:49] happened. Um so um um if indeed that is what happened and I'm hoping that

[53:54] someone from the township or somewhere maybe can help and I can do further

[53:59] research you know to find out exactly you know if um and when you know offers

[54:05] were made to residents. Um I guess what I'm getting at is if that was happened

[54:10] and my mom and dad missed that opportunity. It's unfortunate for them.

[54:14] Um I I I um know what Well, I'm trying to see if there was some some way that

[54:22] my mom and dad, you know, or or any limited income at this point could, you

[54:27] know, is there a way that they can get help? You know, if other projects, for

[54:31] example, are happening in the region, they're doing the same sort of work. you

[54:35] know, maybe, you know, homeowners like my parents or or others that that might

[54:40] have the same problem can kind of piggy back onto another contract that's

[54:45] in the adjacent street or a street nearby or something and and you know,

[54:49] get this corrected with some help from the townships. Um, if if not monetary

[54:54] help, certainly help from like a uh, you know, a standpoint of uh, you know, how

[54:58] to make it happen because it's not like replacing or paving your driveway or or

[55:04] redoing sidewalk. This curve work is very it's much more specific and it's

[55:09] like a different level of detail when it comes to that kind of construction. So,

[55:13] we're kind of like kind of stuck here figuring out what to do and if there's

[55:17] some way that they can get some, you know, some monetary relief in the form

[55:21] of like a reduced cost um you know to like I said piggy back on similar work

[55:27] that's happening within the township or or do or are are the you know are is the

[55:34] homeowner actually responsible for that little piece that that curb part because

[55:38] I had talked to um Paul took a couple weeks and I happened to be in the

[55:44] building to pick up so many discounted movie tickets and I went to say goodbye

[55:47] to Paul brought us up and he said, "Well, wait a minute. The curve, you

[55:52] know, he thought he didn't say he thought maybe that that curb somehow the

[55:58] township had a little bit more responsibility as compared to the

[56:02] homeowner." wasn't sure at all and he thought that it should be checked with

[56:06] um he suggested that I thought the decision about checking with the public

[56:10] works people to get a definitive answer to that which I have not got until today

[56:15] when I went in I found out that apparently the curbs are responsible I

[56:20] don't have that problem I don't know where it really falls we're just looking

[56:23] some guidance and some possible you know some possible monetary help in the

[56:27] future u maybe piggy back on doing some inventive way to help homeowners outlet

[56:32] my folks and others that might be in the same situation. Not

[56:35] » would pardon me. >> Can you give us those pictures?

[56:40] » Yeah. >> Okay. If you would just give us those

[56:41] pictures, Miss Ps will look into it and somebody will get back to you on what

[56:46] the board has decided. >> Okay. I actually I talked with um uh

[56:50] Tina, right? Uh and at her request, I emailed uh pictures to her and she said

[56:56] she would do everything she could to get them to pass. So, so, so in essence, you

[57:01] have them. >> You have you have them. They were sent

[57:05] about five hours from Okay. >> I guess this No, we're not a dialogue,

[57:12] but I'd like to know when there is a meeting where dialogue could happen. I

[57:17] think the 21st of September. >> Second, we get September because we

[57:20] don't have a meeting in August. >> Okay. So, I'll be at that.

[57:23] » Did you receive my email from this morning?

[57:25] » No, I did not. >> I sent you an email this morning about

[57:27] 9:00. >> Oh, okay. Check your

[57:30] » Okay. Okay. >> Just want to look at it in mind.

[57:33] » Thanks.

[57:37] » Anybody else for public comments that are not on the agenda?

[57:43] » Okay. Uh treasures activity report. Uh do I have a motion to approve it?

[57:49] » Motion to approve. We have a motion. We have a second.

[57:51] » Second. >> Okay. Uh any questions from the board?

[57:55] Any questions from the public? All in favor say I. I

[57:59] » against move there into the record. Approval of the meeting minutes for July

[58:03] 6, 2026. Motion.

[58:07] » Motion to approve. A second. >> Second.

[58:10] » Okay. Any discussion uh changes or anything from the board, from the

[58:14] public? All in favor say I. >> I. I.

[58:19] » Okay. We'll put that into the record. Committee recommendations. Community

[58:24] Development Committee. Uh let me see. We have no code enforcement lowland

[58:28] developments. The first item is a motion to authorize township staff and the

[58:34] solicitor's office to work on proposed amendments to the zoning code for the

[58:38] business center district uh which is attached in our uh papers here.

[58:47] We have any this was presented to us prior to this.

[58:53] Uh, do we have questions or any discussion from the board on this?

[59:02] » Any questions? >> Yeah. Um,

[59:08] » I agree. I agree. >> We need a motion first

[59:12] since it's an agenda item. Motion authorized or should there be discussion

[59:15] first? >> Up to I don't know if there going to be

[59:18] a motion. >> Uh, yeah, it should be a motion if we're

[59:21] going to move it forward. >> Okay. because that's the way it was

[59:23] advertised. Okay. >> So, uh I'll make the motion. I just need

[59:28] a second. >> Second. Okay. Now, we've been discussed.

[59:32] » Thank you.

[59:36] » Yeah. Um I I reviewed the information from the last meeting. I

[59:44] am hesitant I am hesitant to move this forward because it

[59:51] the zoning was in place. We've had uh couple of years at least to talk about

[59:59] it. The use is continuing. Um, and I don't see

[1:00:05] uh I I am not

[1:00:11] in favor of changing our zoning to the potential benefit of one business and

[1:00:20] for no other reason that I could discern.

[1:00:25] » Okay. Any other anybody else? time.

[1:00:31] » I think the light industrial uses proposed for this change are

[1:00:36] appropriate. Um I I think we need to have a little flexibility here um and

[1:00:42] and help support the people who own businesses in our community.

[1:00:48] Okay. Uh the only thing I will say I think I was the one that actually

[1:00:52] brought it up to maybe look at this not to change the zoning but add some uses

[1:00:59] but that's the way how I have put it only because

[1:01:03] but like Sandra said it's been in place for three years and we did two years

[1:01:08] prior to that. Uh the reason I wanted it, we just the township gave them a

[1:01:14] hardship to move on if they get somebody uh because we changed the zoning after

[1:01:22] they had been there for 30 years. Uh and it would just uh since they were giving

[1:01:28] them a hardship to get, let's say, uh a new tenant in there under something. I

[1:01:35] would not want all industrial like industrial stuff but that's the only

[1:01:40] reason I had brought that up then with that we don't take any other

[1:01:44] comments correct on tonight >> could I make a comment

[1:01:48] » yeah thank you thank you um I am more in

[1:01:53] alignment with the thinking of commissioner Richmond in regard to the

[1:01:57] fact that this was a um wellthoughtout change in our zoning and Um, I feel very

[1:02:05] strongly that unless we would have a reason to want to revisit this, um,

[1:02:12] I would not support going forward with changing our zoning.

[1:02:18] » Okay. Any other questions from the board?

[1:02:22] With that, uh, we have a motion. We had our discussion public. Yeah.

[1:02:28] » Do you want to say anything? add anything there.

[1:02:33] » Pretty quickly again, Julie von Scrapersonson from the law firm of East

[1:02:36] Vern and Gray on behalf of Industrial Investments, the owners of the property

[1:02:41] for over 40 years. I just want to uh reiterate again that um the zoning

[1:02:47] ordinance, the business center district contemplates light industrial uses.

[1:02:51] That's the intent and it's also in the comprehensive plan. So you would be in

[1:02:57] compliance with both the comprehensive plan and the intent of the business

[1:03:01] center if you just add a couple of the industrial uses that we're suggesting.

[1:03:05] So we're not looking for a whole resoning or anything like that. It would

[1:03:08] be a simple text amendment to allow very light industrial uses uh within this

[1:03:14] district which would then be able to allow the uh my client to continue to

[1:03:18] operate businesses that he's operated for over 30 years.

[1:03:24] Anybody else from the public? Anybody here to

[1:03:28] comment on this?

[1:03:32] Uh, with that, I'll call a vote. Uh, all in favor of

[1:03:40] looking into this through the zoning code uh to add some amendments to it.

[1:03:46] Uh, please signify saying I. >> I.

[1:03:49] » I. >> Okay. You want to look into yes

[1:03:53] something. Okay. >> Uh

[1:03:58] out out loud. You're an I. >> I.

[1:04:01] » I. >> I.

[1:04:02] » You're not I. We have three. >> Uh opposed.

[1:04:06] » No. >> We have two nays. Uh, in that case, what

[1:04:10] this is going to do is only have our uh

[1:04:16] I guess we'll send it to our planning agency and our building department

[1:04:23] and the county to see if they have some uses. We will not change our zoning as

[1:04:30] far as uh the business district. We are not going to give like industrial or

[1:04:35] anything. So we are just looking for uses that can go there. Um okay with

[1:04:43] that over. >> Understood. Thank you very much.

[1:04:46] Appreciate your time this evening. >> Uh next motion to authorize

[1:04:52] advertisement of an ordinance amending the zoning codes for data centers.

[1:04:58] Uh the motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[1:05:01] » A second. Any discussion from the board? Just to be clear, uh, just so everyone

[1:05:07] understands, we don't have a fully formed ordinance here yet. Uh, this is

[1:05:12] going to be discussed more fully at CDC. I know some commissioners had additional

[1:05:16] comments. I was not at the meeting. I heard from Mr. Malar of that. Those will

[1:05:20] all be addressed at I guess the CDC meeting, but because of the timing uh

[1:05:26] and the uh MPC requirements after the CDC meeting when this is kind of all

[1:05:31] hopefully flushed out, then we would move to advertise sensitive planning

[1:05:35] agencies so it could be adopted in October before the moratorum six-month

[1:05:40] moratorum comes out. So what this is a process to move forward this is a

[1:05:45] complete ordinance is not ready. a complete or I mean ordinances have been

[1:05:49] floated. Uh but obviously it needs more revisions and commissioner input. Uh so

[1:05:54] before something is actually advertised and sent to planning agencies that would

[1:05:58] happen after the CDC meeting uh next month so everyone just understood but

[1:06:03] the reason to advertise is just to make sure we keep it moving so we have

[1:06:07] something in place by October.

[1:06:12] » It's not a discussion. It's only so we can advertise it to the public.

[1:06:18] Okay. Any questions from the board? Any questions from the public?

[1:06:22] » All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:06:25] Motion passes. >> Next. Motion to approve R 2026-17

[1:06:33] granting approval of Walmart located at 21101 Blair Road for the placement of 29

[1:06:38] portable storage units for the storage of their holiday inventory from October

[1:06:43] 1st through December 31st. We have a second motion. We have a second. Uh any

[1:06:50] discussion? This is something they've done every year. They need the room. Uh

[1:06:54] we want them to have the room. Uh usually our almost always our fire chief

[1:06:59] will go through to make sure the place where they should uh there any questions

[1:07:04] from the board on this? Only questions from the public? No. Okay. Uh all in

[1:07:11] favor say I. >> I.

[1:07:12] » Against. Okay. Motion passes. Uh next will be public health and safety

[1:07:19] committee.

[1:07:35] Okay. The committee recommends the board of commissioners take action on the

[1:07:40] following. First, a motion to approve resolution R26 2026-14

[1:07:47] granting police officer Brian Re and honorable discharge from Upper Morland

[1:07:53] Township Police Department effective June 12th, 2026.

[1:07:58] » Okay. Uh we have a motion and a second. >> And we have a second. Any discussion

[1:08:03] from the board? Any discussion from the public? I would just like to uh offer uh

[1:08:10] officer Brian Rams the best of of luck and uh good good health and happiness in

[1:08:15] his future.

[1:08:19] » Thank you. All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:08:22] » Against. Motion passes.

[1:08:27] » Motion to authorize advertisement of an ordinance amending the parking

[1:08:31] restrictions on Center Avenue. Please, Commissioner, I'd like to uh ask that

[1:08:37] the board amend this motion. Uh we do not need to have an ordinance change to

[1:08:43] amend the parking. Uh found out today or I misunderstood previously that we can

[1:08:49] do a temporary no parking along Center Avenue for the section behind the

[1:08:53] Township building where construction vehicles are entering. So, I'd like to

[1:08:57] change if the board is so interested, someone can make a motion to um

[1:09:01] authorize us to post that section of Center Avenue from the library entrance

[1:09:07] to um the shopping center at Route 611 as temporary no parking. It would have

[1:09:13] an uh expiration date of November 30th of 2027.

[1:09:20] » Make a motion to change it to what Pat's description was.

[1:09:25] Do we have a second? >> Second.

[1:09:27] » Okay. Uh, now any questions? >> That legal the way I said it.

[1:09:35] » Okay. Any anybody from the public? All in

[1:09:39] favor say I. >> I.

[1:09:41] » Against. Motion passes. >> Motion to authorize advertisement of an

[1:09:47] ordinance restricting the use of break retardosis.

[1:09:51] » And this is on Blair Mill Road. And for a little background, uh this uh use of

[1:09:56] this is is done by trucks and it's caused some noise and other concerns

[1:10:00] among the neighbors and uh study was done uh to determine uh whether this

[1:10:06] should be um this this uh should be restricted and we are at the point of of

[1:10:13] u approving the restriction should this go through.

[1:10:17] » Okay. Uh we have a second. Okay. Uh, any other questions from the

[1:10:22] board? Any questions from the public? All in favor say I.

[1:10:27] » I. >> Against. Motion passes.

[1:10:30] » Motion to approve letter advocating for district court venue change. Also for a

[1:10:36] little background on this. Um since uh the judge Mert has had his case load

[1:10:44] redistributed to other courts, the police department and others are needing

[1:10:49] to go to three different locations uh to participate in the cases. This has

[1:10:55] caused some um stress uh on the time and resources

[1:11:00] of the department and we're requesting that that be looked at um to uh

[1:11:07] consolidate the location where we our our staff would need to go to uh

[1:11:14] participate in those cases. >> Think we have a second.

[1:11:17] » Second. >> We have a motion. We have a second. Any

[1:11:19] questions from any board members? Any questions from the public? All in favor

[1:11:24] say I. >> I.

[1:11:26] » Motion passes. >> Motion to approve letter in support of

[1:11:30] Upper Morland swim club. >> And again some background on this is

[1:11:35] that Upper Morland Swim Club has um identified some noise concerns. And uh

[1:11:41] we are putting forth a uh should this motion pass, a letter uh in support of

[1:11:47] the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission um to uh review putting some noise barriers

[1:11:54] in a location along the turnpike where there are none.

[1:11:58] » Do we have a second? >> Second.

[1:12:00] » Okay. Uh any questions from any board members? Any questions from the public?

[1:12:06] » Yes. >> No. I bought for a long time.

[1:12:11] » We It has to be on the speaker.

[1:12:16] » That's okay. >> That's very interesting.

[1:12:19] » I My family or my I've been going for years and none of my my daughters run

[1:12:24] out. But yeah, that's a real good idea. Putting a noise barrier there. It's 25

[1:12:29] years overdue. >> Thank you.

[1:12:34] » Any other questions? All in favor say I. I

[1:12:37] » against motion passes. >> Motion to approve agreement transferring

[1:12:43] a fire truck to Abington Fire Company number one. And this would be a firet

[1:12:48] truck that is pasted its uh useful life uh for our township. And we would be

[1:12:53] allowing Abington to be using this temporarily uh while waiting for fire

[1:12:58] truck to arrive, a new one. >> Okay. Uh question I'll have it chief. Is

[1:13:07] this temporary or this is permanent >> will ultimately be permanent but when

[1:13:13] the new truck comes in in Abington it will be placed at the training academy

[1:13:16] so we jointly can use it for training purposes.

[1:13:22] » Uh any other questions from the board? Any questions from the public?

[1:13:26] » I don't think we got a second. Do

[1:13:29] » I have a second? >> Susan.

[1:13:32] » Okay. I'm sorry.

[1:13:34] » But uh Okay. All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:13:37] » Against. Motion passes. >> Motion to authorize township manager to

[1:13:43] seek grant funding for a crosswalk on Turwood Road at Upper Morland High

[1:13:47] School. >> Do I second it before I ask for a table?

[1:13:53] No. Okay. Uh, I'll make a motion to table this to get more information

[1:14:00] uh on this uh situation that what we're looking at here for the crosswall. Uh,

[1:14:07] so I made a motion to table it. Do I have a second?

[1:14:10] » Second. >> We have a second. Any other discussion

[1:14:13] on this? We're just looking for more information. Uh, anybody from the

[1:14:17] public? >> Okay. All in favor say I. I.

[1:14:23] against motion passes on the table. Okay. Next will be finance

[1:14:29] administrative committee. >> Yes. Uh the committee recommends the

[1:14:33] board commissioners to take action on the following. Uh one, there being no um

[1:14:38] recommendations for the board on appointments or reappointments. Uh the

[1:14:42] list of bills payable. Uh the committee recommends the approval of the general

[1:14:47] funds checks. Uh check beginning 148175. Ending check number 148 uh566

[1:14:56] uh totaling $3,27,000 $27,399.76.

[1:15:05] Um the escro funds checks uh with check beginning one46 and ending in one60

[1:15:12] totaling $4,826. And finally, the liquid fuel fund checks

[1:15:19] uh check uh number beginning 3264, ending in check number 3271 in the

[1:15:25] amount of totaling $19,69962.

[1:15:31] Do I have a second? >> Second.

[1:15:35] » Second. Uh any questions on any of our checks that we build? Okay. Uh anybody

[1:15:43] from the public? All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:15:46] » Opposed. Motion passes. >> Number three, there are no no other

[1:15:51] items. Uh number four, new business. Uh there's a motion to approve township

[1:15:56] building change orders. >> Okay. Uh we have a second.

[1:16:01] » Second. >> Okay. All right. Just give us a real

[1:16:04] quick on these change orders. >> Yes. Did Allan make the motion?

[1:16:08] » Yes. >> Second.

[1:16:10] » No, Susan did. >> Okay. Sorry, I didn't catch you.

[1:16:14] um [clears throat] the curb work in front of the township

[1:16:17] building and behind the township building along Park Avenue and Center

[1:16:20] Avenue. Curbs are in somewhat of a disrepair. Uh some of them are 6 in,

[1:16:25] some are 4 inch width of curbs. Uh some are higher and some are lower. That was

[1:16:30] not part of the original project of the township building renovation project. We

[1:16:34] do have new sidewalks, new parking lots, new building, new additions. Um the

[1:16:39] recommendation was that we correct the curb work at the same time that we're

[1:16:43] doing work out in the street. So this would be ratifying that change order for

[1:16:48] that work. We do have funds in our we have contingency funds built into our um

[1:16:54] project. So uh no additional funding would be required. However, you would be

[1:17:00] borrowing down against our um u contingency fund.

[1:17:06] » Okay. Uh any questions from the board? The reason I he asked me about putting

[1:17:11] it on here and looking at it and I asked him to see if anybody

[1:17:17] thought anything different other ways. The reason is we are tearing the street

[1:17:22] up and the if we don't got to tear the street or

[1:17:28] the sidewalks, everything will be new to replace this at a later date. Since it's

[1:17:34] all being done now, I felt it would be the a good time to do it. Make the whole

[1:17:39] project, our whole property look good, uh while they're there, and it's cheaper

[1:17:45] to do it while they're there. Any other discussion from the board?

[1:17:50] Any discussion from the public? All in favor say I.

[1:17:54] » I. >> Against.

[1:17:56] » Motion passes. >> Uh B. A motion to approve a waiver for

[1:18:00] electric permit fee for Upper Morland Apparo Joint Sewer Authority. Do

[1:18:05] » you hear a second? >> Second.

[1:18:07] » Okay. Uh with this in the past that basically they're a township entity. Uh

[1:18:13] it's township that is paying for it. Uh why would we make them pay for it? Then

[1:18:21] the taxpayers going to pay us for it for them to raise their taxes to pay for it.

[1:18:24] So, anything that's internal to the township uh we usually have waved them

[1:18:30] in the past with that. Anything else uh from the board? Any questions?

[1:18:38] » Okay. Any questions from the public? All in favor say I.

[1:18:42] » I. >> Motion passes. Uh let's see. Uh motion

[1:18:47] to approve tax assessment appeal between the township school district of Upper

[1:18:52] Morland and the taxpayer. um as as written uh on on 2300 Eastn

[1:19:00] Road. >> Okay. Uh do we have a second?

[1:19:03] » Second. >> Okay. Uh usually with the school

[1:19:05] district uh you just follow in line with uh their assessments. Uh anything else

[1:19:11] from the board on this questions? Anything from the public? All in favor

[1:19:15] say I. I. >> Against. Motion passes.

[1:19:19] » Next is Parks and Recreation Committee. The committee has no business this

[1:19:23] evening. >> Okay, with that uh this committee will

[1:19:28] or this board will be m meeting in executive session after this meeting uh

[1:19:33] directly and also I am correct by all committee people

[1:19:38] that we will have no committees meetings in August.

[1:19:42] » Any executive sessions about personnel? Any other subjects? Uh it is about

[1:19:48] personnel and legal matters.

[1:19:54] » Okay. Uh any other commissioner comments?

[1:19:59] Okay.

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