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[4:49] okay welcome uh tonight is the um first

[4:54] CIP committee meeting uh Monday December

[4:57] 2nd 2024

[5:00] um I'm GNA ask uh Addison to call the

[5:04] role Carberry Montgomery here bod here

[5:09] linhard Nicholas here

[5:14] Hilbert

[5:16] penelli Butler here Graves here and Mr

[5:21] hbr is absent at the

[5:24] moment uh I'm going to start the meeting

[5:26] as we start all of our meetings with uh

[5:28] reading the character count statement

[5:31] Urbandale is a national leader and

[5:32] character counts endeavoring at all

[5:34] times to promote and model the

[5:36] principles of trustworthiness respect

[5:39] responsibility fairness caring and

[5:41] citizenship in conducting tonight's

[5:43] meeting we expect that all participants

[5:45] will act in a respectful manner

[5:47] consistent with these

[5:51] principles I am going to turn the

[5:53] meeting over now to our assistant city

[5:55] manager Curtis

[5:57] Brown who will uh give us an

[6:01] introduction very good thank you council

[6:03] member tonight I'm sitting in for our

[6:05] city manager uh Aj Johnson during

[6:07] tonight's meeting but first I want to

[6:10] begin most importantly with the thank

[6:11] yous uh to you council member car

[6:14] Montgomery council member bod uh to Lori

[6:17] linhard representing the parks and recck

[6:19] commission Jackie Nicholas representing

[6:21] the plan and Zoning commission and

[6:22] community members John hrand Rob Hilbert

[6:25] Dominic penelli Matthew Butler and

[6:27] Daniel Graves we sincerely do from the

[6:30] staff perspective appreciate uh the work

[6:32] of uh the elected officials and all the

[6:35] community members who raised their hand

[6:37] uh to help with these important

[6:39] processes uh as important internally

[6:41] this document is the collective work of

[6:43] many Department directors and staff from

[6:46] engineering Caleb streepy wheeler

[6:48] Kristen broster and John lson from Parks

[6:50] and wreck Molly will height Scott Hawk

[6:52] and Jan hery from the Police Department

[6:55] chief Rob Johansson fire chief Mike

[6:57] Cardwell risk management and support

[6:59] Services John Conor the water utilities

[7:02] general manager Neil Weiss city clerk

[7:04] Nicole lunders and the finance

[7:06] department that takes all this

[7:08] information and puts it together in a

[7:09] presentation we can understand is Vivian

[7:12] Luna Addison rekus and Nikki

[7:14] lamb this committee uh does represent

[7:18] important perspectives in the Urbandale

[7:19] community and in that way it serves the

[7:22] larger Urbandale community and helping

[7:24] to review and shape the physical

[7:26] development of our community as laid out

[7:29] in in this Capital Improvements plan so

[7:31] you serve a very important role here

[7:33] Urbandale CIP process and the resulting

[7:36] document is something that the city can

[7:38] justifiably be proud of it exemplifies

[7:41] as you look at all the projects and the

[7:43] way it's done the city council's goals

[7:45] of accountability collaboration

[7:47] inclusive community quality of life

[7:49] safety and sustainability in the way

[7:51] that it is compiled reviewed approved

[7:54] and shared the document is also uniquely

[7:57] Urban Dale's own plans for major Capital

[8:00] expenditures to advance our community

[8:02] and meet needs in 11 categories

[8:04] including public art which is a unique

[8:06] aspect of urban Dees program we have a

[8:09] lot of work to do this evening so I will

[8:11] simply end with uh three quick reminders

[8:14] one that tonight is for the CIP

[8:16] committee to hear from the Departments

[8:18] about the planed projects in the

[8:19] proposed program and for the to

[8:21] committee to ask questions and if you so

[8:24] choose to propose amendments second that

[8:28] the public will have opport unities to

[8:30] express their views on the CIP in the

[8:32] public hearing on Monday December 16th

[8:34] at 6m and then again when the city

[8:37] council takes action to consider

[8:39] adopting the plan another public hearing

[8:42] will be held on Tuesday January 21 and

[8:45] finally a note to all that the topic for

[8:47] consideration tonight is the projects

[8:50] themselves policy that relates to the

[8:53] financing the method of construction

[8:55] delivery Etc are all policy decisions of

[8:58] the city council that will NE

[8:59] necessarily come later as projects come

[9:01] into clearer view in the CIP so without

[9:04] further Ado I'll turn it back to you

[9:06] madam chair thank you um I guess it is

[9:10] now uh Nikki's turn to tell us all about

[9:14] the

[9:17] money mine will be very short the money

[9:19] is set and balanced how about that so

[9:23] just a quick reminder of the types so

[9:25] the document in front of you is balanced

[9:27] from a general obligation Bond and Tiff

[9:29] Bond fing so those are our main Revenue

[9:31] sources that that we're most concerned

[9:33] about so those items are balanced um so

[9:36] as you move through the the document

[9:39] look at the types if you want something

[9:41] that is to be moved around that is that

[9:43] is your option to do but the you need to

[9:45] swap type for type so if it's a go and

[9:49] you want to switch a year move it around

[9:51] a little bit it needs to trade spots so

[9:53] my funding bucket needs to stay

[9:55] relatively level so that is the one

[9:58] reminder I give every year is you can

[10:00] move it around but go is not the same as

[10:02] storm water revenue or water revenue or

[10:04] whatever the other types are those are

[10:06] all a different think of it as a

[10:08] different checkbook I can't write checks

[10:11] from one thing to pay for something

[10:12] that's not the same category does that

[10:14] make sense um but otherwise this does

[10:16] assume that our tax levy stays at $149

[10:18] for Debt Service um and so that'll be a

[10:21] policy decision that goes through from a

[10:22] council perspective but that is what

[10:24] this document incorporates do you have

[10:27] any questions before we get started

[10:31] okay that was pretty short and sweet I

[10:33] know we're we're efficient this

[10:37] year I'm I'm not under any race with

[10:40] Adam this year so we can take our time

[10:43] but you know we all want to get home so

[10:47] uh we will go ahead and get started and

[10:50] I believe our first department is public

[10:55] art and just oh just to clarify we are

[10:58] going to go through all of the sections

[11:01] um all the presentations from the

[11:03] department head heads and then we will

[11:07] go back and make changes recommendations

[11:12] discussion but if you have questions

[11:15] please ask them during I guess or

[11:18] whenever but if you got a question about

[11:20] public art go ahead and and ask it

[11:23] during that

[11:26] time thank you C committe

[11:30] Jan hery Parks and Recreation director

[11:32] for those few of you that I haven't met

[11:35] before um the public art committee is

[11:38] one of the Committees that I oversee as

[11:40] the Parks and Recreation director we

[11:42] have um CIP funding for years it was a

[11:44] percentage of um certain projects and

[11:48] last year we started where the trends

[11:50] had been since 2008 on average

[11:54] $225,000 um for public art so that is

[11:56] what we are proposing again um is uh

[12:01] $25,000 annually for public art that

[12:03] does accumulate so if some years the

[12:06] public art committee does not recommend

[12:08] spending um certain amounts um that does

[12:11] accumulate um so be happy to answer any

[12:15] questions you have on public

[12:18] art it very much appears like John's

[12:21] truck is in the picture in front of

[12:23] us John Hol Brand's truck that we

[12:27] discussed oh if anyone else has noticed

[12:30] that I just it just jumped out of

[12:33] me and uh I didn't know what you were

[12:36] saying yeah pretty sure that might be it

[12:40] that could be that could be

[12:44] um and I would just like to um thank Rob

[12:47] Hilbert he serves on the chair of our

[12:49] public committee for many years so thank

[12:52] you

[12:56] rob okay uh seeing no questions uh we

[12:59] will move on to

[13:12] buildings all right good evening

[13:14] everybody I'm John lson I'm the director

[13:16] of engineering and public works I got

[13:19] the Short Straw so I get to start with

[13:20] this first one on the building here for

[13:22] the EVS it's not actually my

[13:25] page but this one here what we're

[13:28] proposing is looking at doing a couple

[13:31] level two uh charging stations within

[13:33] the city hall library parking lot um

[13:37] it's part of of a of Grant application

[13:39] so I think this is one we still got to

[13:40] wait and see if it gets the grant

[13:43] funding that's proposed in

[13:49] 2025 our next

[13:52] page fire

[13:56] related so excuse me so we will we

[13:59] actually own the charging stations or I

[14:02] know sometimes you can lease them or um

[14:04] which is a lot more lucrative sometimes

[14:06] as you don't have to update them it's

[14:08] automatically updated through the vendor

[14:10] uh I believe it's ownership but I'm not

[14:12] 100% sure on that

[14:25] okay you want to wait I think we should

[14:28] wait

[14:41] we started without you

[14:44] John but we're going to wait for you

[14:46] since you're here

[14:58] now for

[15:44] John we are really just getting started

[15:47] we're on page four we've only heard uh

[15:51] about public art and the possibility of

[15:54] some electric charging stations so uh

[15:58] we're just getting to the good

[16:00] stuff so if you want to go ahead Chief I

[16:03] think uh sure members of the committee

[16:06] um if you're familiar to are with our

[16:08] oldest Fire Station 41 7100 Douglas you

[16:10] recognize that it's been a main state of

[16:13] the city for a long time but it has

[16:14] reached end of life and the cost to fix

[16:17] it and update it so it can meet the

[16:19] needs of of a fully staffed station make

[16:21] it uh not really uh feasible financially

[16:25] to continue to put money into it so

[16:26] three years ago we started a study to

[16:29] identify based on area coverage where's

[16:31] the best place to build a fire station

[16:33] should we decide to replace Fire Station

[16:35] 41 that location was identified

[16:37] somewhere in the area of 86th and

[16:40] Meredith and that's based on area

[16:42] coverage maps and things like that um

[16:45] what you have before you tonight is

[16:46] simply to move Fire Station 41

[16:48] replacement out of an oute where it has

[16:51] been until this year and start moving

[16:53] forward the progress we're recognizing

[16:55] that we are going to need to have a plan

[16:56] for eventually identifying the s

[16:59] uh and then doing the work that we need

[17:01] to uh how we're going to fund it and

[17:03] then eventually building the building

[17:04] and that's what we pretty much have

[17:06] tonight we do not have a specific site

[17:08] we don't have a building plan we have a

[17:10] general idea that we just need your

[17:12] approval to continue to move it into the

[17:15] CIP so that we can appropriately plan

[17:17] for the next few years and that's Fire

[17:21] Station 41 pretty briefly

[17:34] thank you I'm very concerned about these

[17:36] other all these other potential

[17:39] locations

[17:40] about emergency vehicle exit and

[17:45] returning I can just see almost any

[17:48] place I can imagine that we're going to

[17:50] be confronted with a traffic jam in

[17:55] rushar and I I guess I make the same

[17:57] comments when you get to the police

[17:59] station I think that

[18:01] needs careful review and I'm sure you

[18:03] folks will

[18:05] thanks thanks John I know that's a big

[18:08] concern that I've brought up as we've

[18:10] been discussing various uh possibilities

[18:13] at the council level so um just know

[18:16] that that is uh a major consideration

[18:19] for us and I know uh you guys want to

[18:22] make sure you can get out as quickly as

[18:24] possible so I know we had discussions

[18:26] about different sites we have talked

[18:28] about access both going out and coming

[18:31] back and had conversations with

[18:32] engineering about different

[18:34] opportunities for how we would have to

[18:35] make that happen but again right now

[18:37] until we have an actual site uh which

[18:40] has gone into the discussion as we've

[18:41] looked at potential sites uh that has

[18:44] been a very important part of the

[18:45] discussion is that whole question as

[18:48] well so and you know technology is also

[18:51] our friend in that too with the ability

[18:53] to uh change the lights or the traffic

[18:56] signals in the in the vicinity of any

[18:59] location which I always seem to forget

[19:01] about that possibility we do have the

[19:03] possibility but also the understanding

[19:05] that most of the time uh when you see

[19:07] fire apparatus ambulances leaving the

[19:09] station they're not actually going out

[19:11] emergent so most of the time um probably

[19:14] about uh 55 60% of the time they're

[19:17] actually just going to wait for a break

[19:19] in traffic before they go uh because it

[19:21] isn't truly an emergency call if it is

[19:23] an emergency then obviously we have the

[19:25] ability to change the lights we have the

[19:27] ability to stop traffic um but we do try

[19:29] to make sure that we're being aware of

[19:31] the need to keep traffic moving

[19:33] throughout the city and we are a partner

[19:34] to that as

[19:37] well thank you you mentioned that this

[19:40] was in an oute before um the the Fire

[19:43] Station 41 replacement in 42 Renovations

[19:46] um what kind of triggered them to move

[19:48] forward from the out

[19:50] years what's triggered the 41 and I'll

[19:53] get to 42 in a minute with triggered 41

[19:55] is simply how it fits into a bigger

[19:58] picture one of the things that was

[19:59] brought to my uh Direction last year was

[20:03] uh before we can move forward with oute

[20:05] with planning Station 41 we needed to

[20:06] make sure that our partnership with

[20:08] Clive is solid which we have spent the

[20:10] last year working on uh our agreements

[20:12] with them to make sure that not only is

[20:14] that partnership going to continue which

[20:16] I think we saw a couple of weeks ago

[20:18] that they are committed to the

[20:19] partnership as well but also how any

[20:22] potential move of our sta of a station

[20:24] is going to reflect on our partners with

[20:26] Clive which we've made sure are all

[20:28] locked in down uh as we' moved forward

[20:30] in this the other part it's just the U

[20:33] it's the advanced part of planning

[20:34] making sure that we see how this fire

[20:36] station also fits into some of the other

[20:38] big projects you're going to hear a

[20:39] little bit later about a police uh

[20:41] building that we need to build and

[20:43] making sure that we're coordinating

[20:45] those projects to make sure one doesn't

[20:47] step on the other or cause a problem for

[20:48] the other and that's the reason to kind

[20:50] of move them both forward even though we

[20:53] don't have property and we don't have a

[20:54] plan at least we know how we're going to

[20:56] coordinate the pieces over the next few

[20:58] years

[20:59] so the funding for 25 is that just for

[21:01] site acquisition or is that for um it

[21:04] looks like it's kind of multi-year right

[21:06] you mean for 2026 for yeah yeah next

[21:09] year yeah uh that's basically just for

[21:11] initial design work that's assuming that

[21:15] uh if we've AC acquired a piece of

[21:17] property at some point over the next

[21:18] year and a half then we could move

[21:19] forward with starting that initial step

[21:21] that initial process thank you

[21:32] so moving on fire station 42 which is

[21:35] our Administrative Building um one of

[21:37] the things that we've done over the last

[21:39] year is to reassess our command

[21:40] structure within the department which we

[21:42] have done and last year we added

[21:44] Battalion Chiefs that means that there

[21:45] is one chief officer on duty 365 days

[21:49] which is something we definitely needed

[21:51] um running three stations plus our

[21:53] partnership with Clive so as part of

[21:55] that process we've identified that the

[21:57] building at uh on 121st Street uh does

[22:00] need some updates to allow us to do that

[22:03] in addition uh we need to bring our fire

[22:05] prevention staff from Station 41 which

[22:08] is where they're by themselves we need

[22:09] to bring them back over um so what we

[22:12] are proposing uh you'll notice is over a

[22:14] series of five years in phases to do the

[22:18] internal upgrades to the building we're

[22:20] not talking about knocking walls down or adding additional space it's more a p

[22:24] question about reallocating space within

[22:26] the buildings uh and addressing some

[22:28] frankly long-term needs of the building

[22:30] there are some Plumbing issues that are

[22:32] going to need to be addressed in in the

[22:33] coming years there are some hbac the

[22:35] building has reached it uh almost

[22:38] reaching its 30-year life which is the

[22:39] time when HVAC systems need to be

[22:41] updated electrical stuff in the building

[22:43] will need to be upgraded so this is all

[22:46] just a part of planning to keep that

[22:48] building in really good condition uh so

[22:50] that it'll continue to serve the

[22:51] community

[23:02] okay I think we're good all right then I

[23:04] will H it back

[23:10] off okay our next one here is on page

[23:13] six you can see this is at 9401 Hickman

[23:16] roads this is a parks and Public Works

[23:18] facility that's just recently

[23:19] constructed um next to it this was the

[23:22] original fleet building that was

[23:23] replaced by by the new building then

[23:26] down here in this other blue box that is where the solid waste trucks were

[23:29] parked that has now been moved into a

[23:32] new building here so what's being

[23:35] proposed right page here proposed uh for

[23:39] construction next year is this Fleet

[23:42] Maintenance building will have a new

[23:43] roof put on it um we did new siding on

[23:46] it when we did the other building and

[23:48] then this building here be a new roof

[23:51] and new siding installed on it currently

[23:54] there's three garage doors on the East

[23:56] and the West Side both sides here we're

[23:58] going to go down to one on each side

[24:00] since again it's a new purpose this will

[24:01] be mainly a storage building no longer

[24:04] housing the vehicles like it did in the

[24:06] past so again this one's under design

[24:09] and we're looking to bid that here in

[24:10] the next few

[24:13] months so next one is our police station

[24:15] replacement

[24:28] everyone I have a short PowerPoint I'm

[24:31] going to pull up just so I can remember

[24:34] to touch on everything

[24:36] um for those that were here last year we

[24:39] talked about a new police facility just

[24:42] to recap what we talked about uh our

[24:44] original building was built in

[24:47] 1981 um we uh did an addition renovation

[24:51] in

[24:52] 2009 currently the the facility is

[24:57] 23,800 there's an error on there it's

[24:59] about 23,000 Square

[25:01] ft uh at the time we opened that uh

[25:04] renovation addition onto the building um

[25:08] we filled it immediately so on in 2009

[25:11] if you can just think back to that date

[25:13] how long ago that was we were full that

[25:15] day um we had waited quite a while to do

[25:18] that addition so once we opened it we

[25:20] filled it immediately since that time

[25:22] we've added 14 sworn officers four

[25:25] administrative staff and three non-

[25:27] Department members that are housed at

[25:29] our station So currently we are at 69

[25:33] full-time staff 10 volunteers and uh the

[25:37] still have the three non-department

[25:38] staff that we

[25:40] house and then we we're talking about

[25:42] building this out so projected growth

[25:45] over the next several years um on

[25:49] average we need about one officer a year

[25:51] with our current rate of growth in the

[25:52] city of endale um we don't always get

[25:55] that but that's what we try to project

[25:57] out is about one sworn officer position

[26:00] every year um we did a a space needs

[26:03] analysis and they determined that the

[26:05] current facility is not feasible to

[26:07] expand the needs of the

[26:11] department uh new facility some of the

[26:13] things that we really need to um look at

[26:17] and address with a new facility are

[26:18] locker rooms we're currently out of

[26:20] locker rooms so we have new officers

[26:23] coming on the department we have no

[26:24] Locker space for them at all um we're

[26:28] looking to upgrade our emergency

[26:30] Operation Center right now we just use

[26:32] the front conference room and that is

[26:33] for the whole city so the city of

[26:35] Urbandale doesn't really have a

[26:37] Emergency Operations Center at this time

[26:40] um our property evidence um crime lab is small um and it's not properly built

[26:46] to house some of the um things that we

[26:50] house in there specifically drugs the

[26:52] odors those types of things need to be

[26:54] uh addressed a little better than they

[26:57] are right now we did put a vent in the

[26:59] one room because the the smells were so

[27:01] bad that it helps but it's probably not

[27:04] up to Snuff to be honest with you um we

[27:08] need some soft interview rooms um what

[27:10] that really is for is victims of crime

[27:13] especially children when they come in

[27:15] and we have a a place for them to go that's look a

[27:20] little more relaxed a little more uh

[27:22] friendly environment so uh the children

[27:25] feel comfortable and they can uh tell us

[27:27] what happened to them we we uh have a

[27:31] closet right now that we use for our

[27:32] mothers and wellness room um for our

[27:35] nursing mothers it's just not adequate

[27:37] for these times we do not have a fitness

[27:40] area currently um so the new facility we

[27:43] would uh like to have a fitness area

[27:45] built into that as

[27:47] well secure parking lot for our

[27:50] employees right now our current

[27:51] facilities is not secured it's open for

[27:55] access to anybody that happens to be

[27:56] walking around our building

[27:59] um and then secured covered parking for

[28:00] our Fleet when we did the expansion in

[28:03] 2009 we did add on a covered parking

[28:06] area and we've outgrown that about half

[28:09] of our Fleet sits out in the back

[28:10] parking lot

[28:12] uncovered um we need a training room

[28:15] that has a defensive tactics area in

[28:18] other words like a mat room so we can do

[28:20] uh handcuffing techniques those types of

[28:22] things defensive tactics and we we

[28:25] currently don't have an area for that we

[28:27] have an range that was built in our

[28:29] original building in

[28:30] 1981 um it's a three lane range it's

[28:34] fairly short all of the equipment that

[28:37] ran that range is outdated they no

[28:39] longer make it we make do in there right

[28:42] now um uh since we built the the

[28:46] original building the weapons that we

[28:48] use and the police department have

[28:49] changed dramatically um most of our

[28:52] officers carry rifles now we are unable

[28:54] to qualify or train with rifles in the

[28:57] current range it's just not big enough

[28:58] it can't handle

[29:00] it um storage uh we do a lot of

[29:03] community events now that we never did

[29:05] in the past we have lots of stuff to to do that so if you've ever been to our

[29:09] National Night Out or our Trunk or Treat

[29:12] we have lots of things that we use for

[29:13] those events and we really don't have

[29:15] anywhere to put them uh we'd also like

[29:17] to uh as part of the building project

[29:20] have a large community room that we

[29:21] could have open to the public that

[29:22] people could use come in and use at any

[29:24] time we don't have that currently and

[29:27] then uh we'd also like to incorporate a

[29:29] lot of green initiatives into the

[29:31] building design if we were able to move

[29:34] forward um the city did acquire a piece

[29:36] of ground at 100th in Douglas it's not

[29:39] specifically designated for the police

[29:41] department but we are looking at that as

[29:44] a potential site for a new new facility

[29:47] I pull up this slide here it kind of

[29:50] shows a little bit of how we could fit

[29:52] the new facility in there um the blue

[29:55] box that you see there that would be a

[29:57] twostory um police

[29:59] structure the yellow would be the

[30:02] parking lot The Orange Box over onto the

[30:05] left would be the new Range the kind of

[30:09] lighter orange colored box up to the top

[30:11] is a um secured parking area for staff

[30:15] and then the dark colored box would be

[30:17] our covered parking area for

[30:19] Fleet that's just roughly fitting it in

[30:22] there just to make sure that it's

[30:24] adequate for that space if we wanted to

[30:26] move forward there

[30:29] the new facility when they did the space

[30:30] needs analysis they indicated that we

[30:34] need approximately 74,000 square feet

[30:36] including the covered parking the

[30:39] covered parking I believe from that

[30:40] estimate was about 12,000 square fet of

[30:44] that the estimate on the cost was 47

[30:47] million um you see an alternative solar

[30:50] array there for 2.3 million um that was

[30:54] if we built the facility in 2025 that 47

[30:57] so

[30:58] figure a 5 perish increase each year as

[31:01] it goes out so the projected cost is

[31:04] about 53 million do for 2028

[31:09] construction that's big that's a lot to

[31:12] throw you guys any questions what's

[31:16] your price per square foot that's I like

[31:20] over 600 bucks a square foot right yeah

[31:23] something similar to that yeah I was

[31:25] going to say 500 and something I

[31:26] couldn't remember off the top top of my

[31:29] head yeah I was G to ask the same

[31:30] question I'm assuming you had some

[31:32] Consultants help you develop that cost

[31:33] OPN did the the space needs analysis and

[31:37] came up with the size the cost estimate

[31:39] and construction estimate for the

[31:42] project yep yeah it's that's expensive

[31:45] per square foot it's a big number yeah

[31:47] so is the 74,000 square foot estimate is

[31:50] that you mentioned it was cover your

[31:53] existing capacity but also anticipated

[31:56] like how far out antici ated capacity is

[31:59] it is it going to cover you in 10 years

[32:00] and 20 years I think it covers out 20

[32:03] years projected growth for 20

[32:11] years could you pull up the map one

[32:16] again so is the range attached to the

[32:21] building I guess I don't know if I've if

[32:22] I have not seen this and didn't pay

[32:24] attention if I did they've done it a

[32:26] couple different ways uh the initial

[32:29] design when we were thinking about

[32:30] putting it over on the initial on our site that we're at now they had an

[32:34] option where it could be detached or

[32:36] attached okay um this would be attached

[32:39] I think the best way to do it is to be

[32:40] attached but again this was just kind of

[32:43] putting all the pieces of the puzzle on

[32:45] there not necessarily how it would lay

[32:47] out for sure there's another design

[32:49] where the parking lot's in the front of

[32:50] the building and all that so but yes I

[32:53] would like to see the range attached to

[32:55] the building rather than Separate Myself

[32:58] but it all depends on how it would fit

[32:59] on whatever site we end up at okay thank

[33:02] you I I have two unrelated questions

[33:05] could you tell us a little bit more

[33:06] about the use of the large community

[33:09] room and then my second question is

[33:11] could you speak to the importance of the

[33:14] features you have here for Recruitment

[33:17] and Retention of officers sure uh the

[33:20] community room I see that the example I

[33:23] would give you is if you've been to the

[33:25] new P County Sheriff's uh office office

[33:28] they have a really nice large community

[33:30] room at at the front side of their

[33:32] building that's open for the public to

[33:34] use for events or or or anything that

[33:36] community that needed that space for

[33:40] what we currently have we have a small

[33:41] training room in the back of our

[33:43] facility so if someone comes to our

[33:45] place they have to walk through our

[33:46] secure area of our Police Department to

[33:48] get back to that area the designs I've

[33:50] seen that work the best or those

[33:52] Community rooms are right off the lobby

[33:54] of the building you know in the front of

[33:55] the building when people can come in and

[33:57] utilize that so that would be the one

[33:59] aspect um as far as the amenities to

[34:03] attract officers there's been a lot of

[34:06] uh police department and this is not a

[34:08] reason to build a police department

[34:09] obviously but this is one of the things

[34:10] that we consider it's been very hard to

[34:12] hire police officers recently uh since

[34:15] about 2020 we've struggled um to hire

[34:18] police officers and this is a nationwide

[34:20] problem um so one of the things we're

[34:22] seeing in the Metro there's been a lot

[34:24] of new facilities built Clive I can just

[34:27] Clive County Altuna whiley's building

[34:30] one now um Bond Durant no not bant sorry

[34:34] um they all have new facilities and they

[34:36] all have all the amenities they have

[34:38] workout facilities they have really nice

[34:39] locker rooms with big lockers that can

[34:42] hold all the gear for the officers have

[34:44] nice shower facilities things like that

[34:47] um they have covered parking for their

[34:49] Fleet so they're not out in the weather

[34:50] with their Fleet they have secure area

[34:53] for their vehicles for their employees

[34:54] vehicles to park those kind of things

[34:56] that's the kind of things you compete

[34:58] with when you're trying to hire an

[34:59] officer and they can go anywhere they

[35:00] want when you have a really good

[35:03] applicant right now in this environment

[35:05] they can go work for any police

[35:06] department they want to in the Metro and

[35:08] we all pay about the same we all have

[35:10] about the same type of benefits and

[35:12] those types of things so start looking

[35:14] at where do I go to work every day and

[35:18] we can't compete with that right now

[35:20] with some of the newer facilities so

[35:22] that that is a thought for us but that's

[35:24] just one little p tiny piece of the

[35:26] puzzle

[35:28] thanks what are the plans for the former

[35:30] station it's kind of nice where it's at

[35:32] now in this administrative area is that

[35:35] GNA continue to be an administrative

[35:37] building yes I think there's been a lot

[35:39] of hands raised for for we put this in

[35:42] there and that I've heard and this is

[35:44] just totally this is just here say

[35:47] Senior Center uh social services that the city's

[35:52] talking about getting into more Social

[35:54] Services type activities those types of

[35:56] things uh Park and wreck has some other

[35:59] uh programming that they'd like to do in

[36:00] there for classes and things so I don't

[36:03] think it will go unused at all and it is

[36:05] a decent building we've just simply

[36:07] outgrown it it has some older parts to

[36:09] it and that thing you know that would

[36:10] need to be addressed but uh it functions

[36:13] every obviously it functions every day

[36:14] and we work out of there and and it's

[36:16] been a good facility for us we've just

[36:19] simply outgrown it and it's just not

[36:20] functioning as high standard as we'd

[36:24] like so with the fire stations they

[36:26] talked about the location effect on

[36:28] response time um would it be like a

[36:30] study uh on this location or we we

[36:34] operate a lot different than the fire

[36:35] department we send our people out now

[36:37] obviously you want to be kind of

[36:38] centered in the city and honestly moving

[36:41] a little bit further west gets us a

[36:43] little closer to that Center probably

[36:45] but we are out in our areas working out

[36:47] of our cars so we don't necessarily

[36:50] respond from the station so it's less of

[36:52] a concern for us where we're at um I

[36:55] wouldn't want to be on one clear on one

[36:58] side of the city as opposed to the other

[36:59] because sometimes you do respond from

[37:01] there and you have to have to get

[37:03] somewhere and you know just coming back

[37:04] to that home base but that area and even

[37:08] right here is ideal for us to be there

[37:10] because we just put our cars out in the

[37:12] areas and they stay out there most of

[37:13] the

[37:17] day would you go over this colored map

[37:19] again and show tell me what's under roof

[37:22] and what's not under roof okay so the so

[37:25] the blue is the two story that would be

[37:28] the main facility okay two stories yep

[37:31] twostory got to be

[37:33] twostory to to facilitate the square

[37:35] footage needs the dark Square there that

[37:38] would be the covered

[37:40] parking uh for the

[37:42] fleet the light orange would be uh that

[37:45] would just be open air parking for staff

[37:48] but it would be fenced

[37:50] in and then the yellow is just a parking

[37:52] lot for the public and then the dark

[37:55] orange clear to the left that would be

[37:57] the rain and that would be under roof

[38:00] obviously again those are probably going

[38:01] to get moved around like uh Bridget's

[38:05] talked about connecting that to the

[38:07] building so we'll probably move that

[38:09] where those are those facilities are

[38:11] together just hadn't designed just

[38:13] piecing it in there to make sure we got

[38:15] enough uh in the lot there to be able to

[38:18] handle

[38:19] it my understanding is then the the

[38:23] yellow and the brown are parking the

[38:27] yellow and the light orange okay the

[38:30] yellow and the light orange so that one

[38:31] hole strip there would be parking either

[38:34] staff parking or public parking now are

[38:38] either one of them under roof

[38:41] no that's the dark brown right the

[38:44] covered Fleet the the dark brown is the

[38:49] fleet there I got it on there this is

[38:52] the fleet covered parking on this

[38:54] diagram here this is the two-story

[38:57] building

[38:57] Fleet parking open air staff parking

[39:01] fenced in public

[39:04] parking

[39:08] range how much demand do you have for

[39:11] public parking especially if you did not

[39:14] have um a community

[39:17] broom not as big as the spot shows on

[39:20] here probably okay uh right now we share

[39:23] our parking lot with uh um we have a

[39:26] little bit of spill over from the water

[39:28] department and then some of the other

[39:30] City staff park over there occasionally

[39:31] on the one end as well and then we

[39:33] obviously have parking for the park and

[39:35] the soccer fields there that people

[39:37] utilize but no we don't have that big a

[39:40] need for parking uh for us with the

[39:42] community room that would make a

[39:45] difference okay I think a lot of that

[39:47] will get vetted in the design um when

[39:49] you say green initiatives are you just

[39:51] talking about the solar panels or is

[39:53] there other things that you're putting

[39:55] in here for I would like to do whatever

[39:57] feasible to make the building you know

[40:00] carbon neutral um those things would

[40:02] have to be explored obviously have a

[40:04] price tag to them you see the solar

[40:05] array they estimated at 2.3 mil so yeah

[40:09] whatever uh we can do there to make I

[40:12] think it's an opportunity for the city

[40:14] um I know that there's interest in that

[40:16] from the council um to be

[40:18] environmentally conscious and I think

[40:20] this is an opportunity with a brand new

[40:22] building to to set the example if we

[40:24] wanted to

[40:29] very important questions would you uh

[40:32] consider having uh National Night Out

[40:36] here or would you keep it here I think

[40:39] we keep it down here just with the field

[40:42] open field and the helicopter that we

[40:44] bring in and all the little things that

[40:46] we do I think we keep it down

[40:49] here that definitely decreases the need

[40:52] for space there right

[40:58] now the 74,000 foot figure that just

[41:02] applies to the light blue on your

[41:07] diagram light blue and the dark Square

[41:10] above it so the fleet that that is also

[41:13] en includes the fleet covered parking

[41:17] the

[41:18] 74,000 the estimate in the uh space

[41:21] needs analysis was 12,000 Square ft for

[41:25] Fleet parking and that's that dark

[41:27] Square okay that's under roof that's

[41:29] under roof is it enclosed or just under

[41:32] roof enclosed is what it's projected to

[41:37] be and of course the shooting range is

[41:40] enclosed also that's correct that's part

[41:43] of the

[41:44] 74,000 now say again what the estimated

[41:47] cost per square foot was I don't have it

[41:51] right in front of me it's around it's

[41:53] the high

[41:54] 500s I I just did some math on

[41:58] that it was $716 a square foot if you're

[42:01] looking at it the 53 million divided by

[42:03] 74k square

[42:05] feet when the original estimate for 47 I

[42:09] think that's probably when it was in the

[42:10] 500 but now we're waiting and we're

[42:13] waiting for four years from when we did

[42:16] the assessment and the price goes up

[42:19] every year about 5% is what she uh from

[42:21] OPN what Danielle told

[42:23] me this seemed like an awful High number

[42:26] to me oh that's really really bothered

[42:29] me any what are these other police

[42:33] stations that have been built what are

[42:34] they running for square foot I believe

[42:37] right around that 500 square $500 a

[42:40] square

[42:42] foot I know there's a lot of special

[42:44] stuff in the police station that just

[42:46] kind of bothered me a little bit

[42:58] so so there's an open field right next

[42:59] to the existing police station is that

[43:02] not an option to expand in that area or

[43:05] the field to the west of us is in the

[43:06] flood plane that soccer field down there

[43:09] yeah we can only go out a little bit

[43:10] this this building all of this will fit

[43:13] on our existing site the problem is you

[43:15] have to tear down and you'd have to tear

[43:17] down a pretty good building and then you

[43:19] would have to move us somewhere for 18

[43:22] months to two years they estimated that

[43:24] to be about just about $2 million just

[43:27] to rent out something to hous us for a

[43:29] couple years so after we got to looking

[43:31] at it a little closer we thought it was

[43:32] pretty wasteful honestly to tear down a

[43:35] decent building and then spending that

[43:38] money to houses somewhere that you're

[43:40] not going to obviously get

[43:44] back yes this this same boxes will all

[43:49] fit on that current site that we have

[43:51] it's a little tighter but it will fit in

[43:53] there

[43:57] well thank you Chief uh we will move on

[44:00] to the everpresent public works

[44:03] satellite

[44:06] facility it's always tough to top the

[44:09] police

[44:14] station okay so now we're on on page

[44:16] eight so yeah this is our satellite

[44:19] facility out west so we had 170th Street

[44:22] here Waterford road so we're in the

[44:23] northeast corner of that intersection uh

[44:26] it's been a multi project so here in the

[44:28] middle first we constructed a fuel

[44:30] Island out here then we constructed a

[44:33] storage and break room facility here

[44:35] it's not in the area yet but we just

[44:37] constructed a salt storage building here

[44:40] so the next phase we were looking at was

[44:41] to PVE some more of the parking lot and

[44:44] then create some material bunker storage

[44:46] we just kind of re-evaluated how we were

[44:48] doing things and it was originally in

[44:49] for 2025 it's not something we need

[44:52] right now so we pushed it back to 2028

[44:55] we'll continue to evaluate and see if we

[44:57] need it come closer to 28 if not we'll

[44:59] just continue to slide it until we do

[45:01] need need the

[45:04] facilities so what is a materials bunker

[45:08] it's basically concrete walls on three

[45:11] sides of the roof that you put your rock

[45:13] in put your B in just we have that

[45:15] currently at our Hickman SES working and

[45:17] we don't right now have a huge need for

[45:19] large storage of materials out

[45:22] west what's the one I thought what we

[45:25] had that's not on the aerial was that's

[45:27] salt oh just for salt yep that's only

[45:29] for salt so that that is something we

[45:31] use quite a bit again during winter

[45:33] storms it's difficult to get back down

[45:35] to Hickman to reload with the salt

[45:36] versus if you're out west you got the

[45:38] facility here to use same thing with the

[45:41] fuel

[45:43] Island that Circle there that that is

[45:46] the water tower is that right that's

[45:49] just marking the location the water

[45:51] tower is actually further to the South

[45:53] here it is right down here oh

[45:57] so bounce out a little bit you can see

[46:00] the water tower here we're up here at

[46:02] 170th in Waterford I should have known

[46:06] that okay beg your

[46:09] Parton I appreciate you pushing it out

[46:12] until when you thought you'd actually

[46:13] need it so

[46:16] it's our next one is on page nine so

[46:20] this is 10841 Douglas Avenue so that is

[46:23] just to the northeast of 109th and

[46:26] Douglas

[46:27] this is the former con Lodge um the city

[46:30] has purchased this property um we did an

[46:32] asbest review which showed there was

[46:34] some asbest we'll need to take care of

[46:36] and then our intent is to demo the

[46:38] building and then again there's other

[46:40] options for the property once that's

[46:42] done but our intent is to get that bid

[46:45] out in the January February time frame

[46:47] and have it tore down by you know

[46:49] summertime so that we can move on with other City initiatives with the

[46:53] property

[46:58] that does wrap up building section so

[47:01] are they going to be City buildings on

[47:03] this lot in the future is that what

[47:04] you're saying no no it'll likely likely

[47:07] be sold or a partnership for some

[47:09] different type of possibly housing so

[47:12] have we asked is there any interest for

[47:13] a developer to look at that and tear

[47:15] down the buildings at their cost

[47:17] or um I guess right now that hasn't been

[47:19] the council's direction go that way okay

[47:27] I did have a question for you that was

[47:29] just back a couple of pages the uh parks

[47:31] and Public Works storage building for

[47:33] the roof and the

[47:35] sighting are you is that going to be

[47:37] something that's bid out it seems like a

[47:39] very high number for roofing and

[47:40] sighting so it will it will be bid out

[47:42] we have an architect hired now doing the

[47:45] design y thank

[47:48] you and keep in mind again we're not

[47:52] pricing these to be exactly what the

[47:54] bids come in we always try to have some

[47:56] cushion so that if you do get higher

[47:58] bids everything balances

[48:01] out sorry on the on the

[48:04] demolition when a a business leaves a

[48:08] property with hazardous material that

[48:11] they they're not liable for clean up the

[48:13] city's liable for that based on the

[48:15] agreement we negotiated with them it's

[48:17] the city's

[48:19] responsibility

[48:24] okay thats up the buildings

[48:27] next

[48:28] one major

[48:30] equipment or the fire department

[48:32] [Laughter]

[48:45] section okay so this first one that we

[48:47] have here and I come bearing good

[48:50] news where it says uh fire truck

[48:53] replacement in our current CIP we have

[48:55] 1.8 million

[48:57] uh to replace a ladder truck all both of

[48:59] our ladder trucks uh have reached end of

[49:02] life we've replaced one that was just

[49:03] pushed into the station two weeks ago

[49:06] you haven't seen the pictures of that

[49:07] it's worth it it's literally pushing it

[49:11] into the station pushing it in so as

[49:14] part of our agreements with Clive we

[49:15] explored the opportunity why can't we

[49:17] just flop trucks because we're going to

[49:20] run the ladder truck primarily into the

[49:22] cover in the City of Clive and so we

[49:25] said let's just see what we can do so

[49:27] rather than spend the $1.8 million which

[49:29] the CIP currently allocates to buy a

[49:31] second ladder truck we explored the

[49:34] opportunity uh which has now been

[49:35] through all the different iterations

[49:37] that says let's just buy Clive's truck

[49:39] and sell them our spare engine and then

[49:41] we can share them as needed so that's

[49:44] what this is actually doing here where

[49:45] it says

[49:46] $297,500 in next year's CIP that is what

[49:50] the difference in value between the two

[49:52] trucks has been appraised at so we would

[49:55] buy their truck for for roughly 700 and

[49:59] it's off the top of my head but roughly

[50:01] $770,000 they would buy our truck at 400

[50:05] and something thousand so basically the

[50:07] difference is about $300,000 which is

[50:09] what we're asking for and if we are able

[50:11] to finalize that deal then which we

[50:14] cannot do until the money is

[50:16] appropriated then uh we would not have

[50:18] to spend the $1.8 million on the other

[50:20] ladder truck because their ladder truck

[50:22] is only 10 years old and has an expected

[50:24] life of another 8 to 10 years so that's

[50:28] what we are doing with this particular

[50:29] piece again it's building on our

[50:32] partnership and and attempting to really

[50:33] be good stewards of the Public's money

[50:35] so that's what we're trying to do there

[50:38] so and by the way the arrangement we're

[50:41] working out with Clive is that actually

[50:42] we will still have access to our engine

[50:44] our former engine so that if we needed

[50:46] to borrow one we would be able to do

[50:48] which is something we already can do now

[50:50] so again trying to save the taxpayers

[50:53] money and and be the most efficient use

[50:55] especially these Reserve resources that

[50:58] you don't need every single day and

[51:00] these new trucks are getting very very

[51:02] expensive so trying to keep that going

[51:04] and they take a really long time to

[51:06] build they do take a very long time to

[51:08] build yes the current replacement

[51:10] estimate on a new ladder truck is almost

[51:13] up to four years

[51:14] now

[51:16] so there's that so we got to start

[51:18] planning what in a couple of years for

[51:20] the 10e uh truck well we actually have

[51:24] marked that out again as we move forward

[51:26] with Clive and our partnership we've

[51:27] agreed as to replacement schedules for

[51:29] all of our apparatus so that we can

[51:31] accurately and allow you to plan

[51:33] effectively for these bigger

[51:35] purchases well I don't think we can say

[51:37] enough about the value of that

[51:38] partnership and all of the work that uh

[51:41] the both departments have put in and the

[51:43] finance department and everyone um to to

[51:46] be such good stewards of of our taxpayer

[51:51] dollars I agree that's great great

[51:55] thinking yes we're trying

[51:58] so the next one is already uh in program

[52:00] for next year um the scbas which

[52:03] self-contained breathing apparatus those

[52:05] are the tanks we were on our back they

[52:07] have a hard lifespan of 15 years after

[52:10] 15 years you can't get them tested you

[52:12] can't work on them anymore you basically

[52:14] have to buy new ones so uh we have

[52:17] reached our end of life on our current

[52:18] packs and have been uh planning for this

[52:22] replacement we've been looking at

[52:23] different packs about how we need to

[52:24] move forward we are still in that same

[52:26] number uh so we don't need to make any

[52:28] adjustments to the number the plan is to

[52:30] replace those uh in in the summer and

[52:33] fall of next year in the 26 fiscal

[52:36] year and then the third one we have uh

[52:39] the fire tender um for those of you not

[52:42] familiar with the project a tender is a

[52:45] truck that hauls water and the um reason

[52:48] that it's in here and it's not programed

[52:50] is that it is simply a statement that as

[52:53] Council has explored the possibility of

[52:55] annexing future growth into the Western

[52:58] area we have identified that some of the

[53:00] areas that they have considered annexing

[53:02] in the past do not have any hydrants and

[53:04] if we were to Annex that area and be

[53:06] responsible for fire protection we would

[53:08] need to have an ability to at least on a

[53:11] temporary basis be able to bring our own

[53:14] water with us so that's the cost the in

[53:17] today's dollars of what a tanker or I'm

[53:19] sorry a tender would cost um we have no

[53:22] immediate needs to buy one we just have

[53:24] it standing by in the so that you can

[53:27] see and Council especially can see as

[53:29] they consider annexation plans what that

[53:31] would need to what we would need to do

[53:34] and answer to the question next is what

[53:37] about building a new fire station and

[53:38] the answer is we do not anticipate

[53:40] needing another fire station even with

[53:42] the proposed annexations for

[53:45] approximately the next 25 years uh

[53:47] basically until we get all the way out

[53:48] to Dallas Center if that annexation were

[53:51] to occur that's the point at which we

[53:52] would need to think about adding another

[53:54] station otherwise where we Loc located

[53:56] Station 43 will meet our expansion needs

[53:59] for the next 20 to 25 years including

[54:02] possible

[54:08] annexations and that covers equipment

[54:11] you have all the answers it's good we

[54:13] try there you go thank you it's like the

[54:17] technology section is pretty light I

[54:19] don't see James here tonight

[54:22] so um we'll turn it over to Jan I'm sure

[54:26] there's plenty of things that the parks

[54:29] department plenty of things in our wish

[54:35] list so we have a number of projects the

[54:37] ones that are out ears as with all of

[54:40] these projects we will not discuss too

[54:43] much so the first project isn't out here

[54:46] um for Oakwood Park

[54:49] Trail the Raccoon River Valley Trail so

[54:51] this is uh a key Link in the raccoon

[54:56] River Valley Trail connection so coming

[54:58] from the regional park this is an oute

[55:00] but if this land were ever to become

[55:02] available or an easement through it it

[55:05] would become a priority project so Jan

[55:09] that land is for

[55:10] sale it right for sale right now and so

[55:13] if it did sell are

[55:16] we are is the like the realter no to

[55:20] like talk to us or how I mean how would

[55:24] we track that

[55:26] I would anticipate if I mean if it gets

[55:30] I guess I don't know that for sure but

[55:31] if it um ever gets developed then

[55:34] Parkland dedication would be required

[55:36] but if it stays a single family house

[55:39] which most people have talked to us

[55:42] about

[55:44] abity okay yeah I did have a question on

[55:47] that I talked to a couple of local

[55:49] developers here that whole area is a

[55:51] flood plane right so it's probably not

[55:55] going to get developed into residential

[55:56] it's just too expensive so unless you

[56:00] know it's multif family or something

[56:02] with more doors there's no way to burm

[56:03] that

[56:04] and is that what's kind of preventing

[56:06] the sale of that and us being able to do

[56:09] the

[56:09] link I don't know what is preventing um

[56:12] the sale of it I will share that I've

[56:15] been with the city 26 years and we've

[56:17] visited with the current family a number

[56:19] of times over those years they had no

[56:21] interest in selling or giving easement

[56:24] or anything but that certainly is a

[56:26] priority for us because it's a

[56:29] significant um link Missing Link in this

[56:32] trail

[56:34] system so again it's an oute but I just

[56:36] wanted to mention it as it is a priority

[56:39] so silkwood Crossing this um section

[56:43] here 140 um 148 Street and this Trail

[56:49] when this development was uh put in the

[56:53] um developer was responsible for putting

[56:56] in in the the north south and east

[56:58] section so this is a missing section to

[57:01] provide um accessibility so that is U

[57:05] proposed for next year and not a hugely

[57:08] expensive compared to all the other

[57:10] projects you're looking at tonight put

[57:12] it that

[57:16] way silveren Ridge Trail so this is at

[57:19] North U park next to the Little League

[57:21] complex the Miracle League field the

[57:23] all-inclusive playground this section um

[57:26] of Trail each year we evaluate all of

[57:29] our 58 miles of trails and evaluate the level of of safety and What needs to

[57:35] what trail needs to be replaced or

[57:38] repaired um uh as a priority and this is

[57:42] a section this one right here is a

[57:44] significant slope it it's um averages

[57:48] over 10% slope so as part of this it

[57:51] would be total reconstruction is what's

[57:53] proposed and uh we we'd be looking for

[57:57] opportunities my fine colleagues here in

[57:59] engineering would be um looking for

[58:01] opportunities to make it reduce the

[58:03] slope and make it safer for trail users

[58:06] so this is plan design in 25

[58:08] Construction in

[58:13] 26 Waterford ro road uh continuation

[58:17] right now starting here going all the

[58:19] way down to Hickman we go over three

[58:21] miles without crossing a street so it's

[58:23] a pretty amazing um Trail linkage so

[58:27] this would continue North this is 156 in

[58:30] Waterford so we would continue North to

[58:33] um the uh Dallas County unincorporated

[58:37] and that is planned right now for

[58:41] 2026 so on this one in particular

[58:45] I I guess what is the reasoning for this

[58:48] getting bumped ahead of some of the

[58:50] other Trails or connections um that are

[58:53] planned because it right now you know

[58:56] there's nothing on the other end

[58:59] right and again where when we do Trail

[59:02] linkages one of them is as neighborhoods

[59:04] they can get on going in this direction

[59:07] so connecting anytime that we can

[59:09] connect neighborhoods connect to

[59:11] communities as well obviously this one

[59:13] isn't necessarily connecting to

[59:15] communities but we certainly would be

[59:17] looking at that of as this gets

[59:20] developed is this um getting developed

[59:23] in the next um two years obviously the

[59:26] plans then would be to for design and uh

[59:29] construction hopefully in in 26 or 27

[59:33] depending on one the design is but it

[59:36] certainly we evaluate these as we go of

[59:39] is there other priorities a lot of it's

[59:43] with all Trails as well as other

[59:45] projects kind of the hip bones connected

[59:47] to the knee bone and and so forth so um

[59:50] one thing has to be developed before

[59:52] another

[59:59] Barrett bosen Park is probably one of

[1:00:01] our most popular new parks so 156 in

[1:00:04] Waterford currently we actually just

[1:00:08] finished phase two which is pretty

[1:00:10] amazing so if you haven't been out there

[1:00:12] please go out and take a look uh it

[1:00:14] includes an optical course climbing

[1:00:16] Boulder a pave pass for accessibility so

[1:00:19] this is what was just completed um this

[1:00:23] section here and what is proposed in

[1:00:27] 2026 is a trail

[1:00:30] connection I'm going to zoom in here

[1:00:32] again so this is all Barrett bosen

[1:00:36] Park we have a a trail that that was put

[1:00:39] in and there's a Creek in between so

[1:00:42] proposes a trust bridge to connect this

[1:00:45] whole neighborhood to the park so you

[1:00:47] don't have to go all the way up and down

[1:00:49] and across so that's um proposed for 28

[1:00:54] and then future development um as

[1:00:56] outlined here isn't an oute for other

[1:00:59] amenities what's wonderful about this

[1:01:01] park is the the bosen foundation has um

[1:01:04] donated the first phase they donated

[1:01:06] over $100,000 this phase that just

[1:01:09] completed they donated $40,000 toward it

[1:01:12] so um it's been a great partnership and a funding um opportunity for the

[1:01:22] city the next two parks Bentley Ridge

[1:01:25] Park um this Parkland has actually not

[1:01:28] been um dedicated yet I'm going to zoom

[1:01:31] out here a little bit so this is Bentley

[1:01:33] Ridge so radiant Elementary School 170th

[1:01:37] Street so this is the land that the city

[1:01:40] would acquire and we're looking at this

[1:01:43] property for Parkland as well as I'm

[1:01:47] going to move ahead to the next one

[1:01:48] Highland Meadow so again this is radiant

[1:01:50] elementary school so some unique

[1:01:52] opportunities Bentley Ridge is here

[1:01:55] Highland Meadows here this is a 9 acre

[1:01:58] pretty beautiful um area for Parkland so

[1:02:01] we're proposing to do a master plan for

[1:02:04] both of these Parks so we know what what

[1:02:08] makes sense to be developed there um and

[1:02:12] the uh this park has some significant

[1:02:15] Parkland or Bentley Ridge has some

[1:02:17] pretty significant Parkland Dedication

[1:02:20] that help offset the project but again

[1:02:22] for both of these projects of just

[1:02:25] wanting to get usually the bigger

[1:02:27] projects will look to get a master plan

[1:02:29] if it's a five six um acre or less Park

[1:02:32] we we typically will do it inhouse and

[1:02:35] work with a a consultant but these two

[1:02:40] um certainly um seem appropriate to do a

[1:02:43] master plan and looking to obviously

[1:02:45] radiant elementary school has a

[1:02:47] playground so what can we do that's

[1:02:48] going to complement what they have and

[1:02:50] Not Duplicate so three parks that are

[1:02:53] with close proximity

[1:02:56] I think that's great uh

[1:03:02] planning the rec Hub so this is just

[1:03:05] south of the parking lot here where our

[1:03:07] current I guess it's almost a year and a

[1:03:10] half ago City Hall was was at capacity

[1:03:13] so our Parks and Recreation offices were

[1:03:16] uh moved uh to this site so it was

[1:03:20] repurposed I'm going to pull up the

[1:03:22] master plan here so our parks and

[1:03:25] recation offices this is the library

[1:03:27] this is the main parking lot so our main

[1:03:30] offices are right here now proposed is

[1:03:33] re um utilizing the current two garage

[1:03:37] Bays right now they're still with garage

[1:03:41] Bays so in 2018 we had a master plan

[1:03:44] done for parks recreation and open space

[1:03:46] and one of the things that was pretty

[1:03:48] clear is we have very insufficient

[1:03:51] indoor Recreation space we have our

[1:03:53] three Park shelters line shelter

[1:03:55] gianetti shelter in the senior center

[1:03:57] community center um with the uplex vote

[1:04:00] that didn't um get approved we still

[1:04:02] that hasn't changed and it's getting

[1:04:04] worse of we're having to rent spaces now

[1:04:07] to to accommodate uh the community

[1:04:10] obviously still wants to to have indoor

[1:04:13] programming outdoor programming as well

[1:04:15] so this is an opportunity to uh

[1:04:18] reutilize and repurpose the um two

[1:04:22] existing garage Bays this area here we'd

[1:04:26] call it the yard and essentially is

[1:04:28] outdoor space some um

[1:04:32] artificial turf that you can have

[1:04:35] outdoor picnic area shade structures do

[1:04:37] outdoor movies um outdoor yoga things

[1:04:40] like that so that is what's proposed in

[1:04:43] the first phase of this uh project um

[1:04:47] for next year would be uh it's planned

[1:04:51] for 26 and 27 so we'd work with a

[1:04:53] consultant and start the design planning

[1:04:56] to then move forward with that in 26 and

[1:04:59] 27 and future phases could be a splash

[1:05:04] bad additional parking um exterior

[1:05:07] restrooms but again that is uh oute for

[1:05:10] discussion uh we do get questions what's

[1:05:13] going to happen to the old house that's

[1:05:15] right next to the wreck office and that

[1:05:17] currently is a Wellness Center um for

[1:05:20] the city the house is built I think in

[1:05:22] 1954 so as part of this that would come

[1:05:25] down um and some of the parking there

[1:05:29] would be um be able to be used for this

[1:05:32] facility and that would come down in

[1:05:35] phase one that would come down in phase

[1:05:37] one so in 26 and

[1:05:42] 27 so this would be a truly a public

[1:05:45] amenity it wouldn't generate any any

[1:05:47] Revenue uh it would be a rental rental

[1:05:50] space so it would be a community

[1:05:53] room similar to our indoor lion shelter

[1:05:56] you can rent Senior Center you can rent

[1:05:58] we do programming there but you could

[1:06:00] also rent it so this um you could rent

[1:06:04] this facility you need to have this

[1:06:05] outdoor space uh as part of it so um one

[1:06:10] of the garage Bays right now is proposed

[1:06:13] like a be quite small a mini

[1:06:16] gym so different types of flooring so

[1:06:19] you can do different Fitness classes or Youth Sports and things like that so

[1:06:25] yes they would be rented

[1:06:30] facilities can you uh use your mic I'm

[1:06:34] sorry one of the things that we've

[1:06:36] talked about at parks and wreck is that

[1:06:38] the senior center is overflowing and

[1:06:42] that there's a continued need for more

[1:06:44] and more and more Fitness classes or

[1:06:47] programming so rather than having to

[1:06:50] rent extra space for those kinds of

[1:06:52] classes and so forth this would provide

[1:06:55] additional opportunity for us is that

[1:06:58] right yeah right now the senior center

[1:07:01] has over 38 classes a week of Fitness

[1:07:03] class that's the most popular classes

[1:07:05] that we have we're having to rent um out

[1:07:08] starting in January going to be renting

[1:07:09] out space just to accommodate that so

[1:07:11] that's just on the the senior population

[1:07:14] side and as um we continue with kids of

[1:07:17] all we say womb the tomb uh with

[1:07:21] Recreation yeah ideally obviously would

[1:07:24] have could have should have we would

[1:07:25] have love to have a new recreation

[1:07:27] facility but um out west but that's not

[1:07:30] something that happened so now we're

[1:07:31] looking to be creative with the

[1:07:33] facilities that we do have the

[1:07:35] infrastructure the footprint is solid we

[1:07:38] had that evaluated obviously before our

[1:07:40] wreck offices even move there so um this

[1:07:44] would be a helpful first step in being

[1:07:45] able to um and then hopefully someday

[1:07:49] maybe the police station when that's

[1:07:50] vacated we

[1:07:52] can planting a seed

[1:07:57] any other questions on the rec

[1:08:01] up uh jacqulyn Baldwin Dunlop Park and

[1:08:05] our berum we are currently uh under

[1:08:08] contract for the construction of a

[1:08:10] flushable restroom and that's the next

[1:08:13] phase so in 2025 and as you know um

[1:08:17] through this process hopefully you know

[1:08:19] something gets approved like in 2024

[1:08:22] that initiates the planning so the

[1:08:23] funding is in 25 so uh we are under

[1:08:27] contract the uh with a consultant who is

[1:08:31] planning the the design of the flush

[1:08:33] restroom here as well as the one next to

[1:08:35] the police station next to the soccer

[1:08:37] field so those two were approved in 24

[1:08:40] those are underd design right now the

[1:08:42] exact location is is still being um

[1:08:45] evaluated as well but we anticipate

[1:08:48] somewhere off of the the parking lot

[1:08:51] here for a flushable restroom what's

[1:08:54] nice for um the any projects capital

[1:08:57] projects that are done at uh the Dunlop

[1:09:00] Park and Arboretum there is a foundation

[1:09:02] that Paul and Jaclyn Baldwin um created

[1:09:06] before they passed away and so any

[1:09:09] capital projects that are funded it's

[1:09:11] funded 50% by the foundation so that is

[1:09:15] um part of what will be funded for this

[1:09:17] project as

[1:09:22] well Lions Park Improvement Prett

[1:09:25] exciting the last couple years in

[1:09:28] 2024 this past spring the splash P

[1:09:30] opened under construction right now

[1:09:33] nearly completed phase two uh the

[1:09:36] temperatures got too uh cool for doing

[1:09:39] the surfacing and coloring for the

[1:09:41] pickle ball court so this section right

[1:09:43] here focused on the um Southeast corner

[1:09:47] so was the demolition of the existing

[1:09:50] courts the construction of four pickle

[1:09:51] ball courts a tennis court three half

[1:09:53] basketball courts are in there

[1:09:55] accessible walkways outdoor games

[1:09:57] grading detention um detention work for

[1:10:01] both that phase as well as proposed for

[1:10:04] next year is this parking will be adding

[1:10:08] 41 parking spots along the so it's pull

[1:10:12] in head in parking along Prairie

[1:10:14] obviously that's one of the the the

[1:10:16] challenges we have at this park very

[1:10:18] popular Park parking is an issue um so

[1:10:22] being able to add that parking as well

[1:10:24] as there will be some um medians in

[1:10:28] between uh so we're going to be able to

[1:10:31] adjust the electrical for Fourth of July

[1:10:33] vendors so there'll be um little Islands

[1:10:36] in between these parking spots so that

[1:10:38] will be more of a permanent um for the

[1:10:41] utilities there and also proposed for

[1:10:45] this phase is improvements to the

[1:10:47] playground so adding uh additional

[1:10:49] expanding the playground adding

[1:10:51] additional playground equipment and some

[1:10:53] a part of it would be accessible rubber

[1:10:56] eyes surfacing obviously as we've talked

[1:10:58] before I would love to have that

[1:11:00] rubberize surfacing on every playground

[1:11:02] we have but it's usually seven to 10

[1:11:04] times more expensive than the um the

[1:11:07] wood fiber and wood chip so anytime we

[1:11:10] have that opportunity obviously that is

[1:11:12] a priority for us so we can be

[1:11:14] accessible to kids of all abilities and

[1:11:16] adults as well so that is what's planned

[1:11:19] and proposed for phase three and then

[1:11:23] future phases are outlined in the ca

[1:11:25] of whenever those come

[1:11:32] up this is a right next to the Delta

[1:11:35] Dental and it's more of a it would be

[1:11:37] initiated by the private um private

[1:11:39] businesses there the city would have

[1:11:41] very little commitment with that so just

[1:11:45] a quick overview um one of the we have

[1:11:48] playground Replacements and we have 40

[1:11:52] playgrounds in Urbandale 13 of these

[1:11:55] playgrounds are over 16 years old so

[1:11:57] starting two years ago we had only been

[1:12:00] doing one playground a year and that

[1:12:03] there was no way we'd catch up with that

[1:12:05] so now we're proposing three to four

[1:12:06] playgrounds a year so just the the

[1:12:09] colors here the playgrounds that were

[1:12:11] replaced in 2023 are the orange the new

[1:12:15] playgrounds the regional park um as well

[1:12:18] as Barrett bosen phase two was done this

[1:12:21] past year um playgrounds in 2024

[1:12:25] the replacement ones are in yellow and

[1:12:28] then the proposed ones are in red for

[1:12:33] 2025 and again those are all highlighted

[1:12:36] in the in the in your CIP

[1:12:41] document so this year because of weather

[1:12:44] and and we were supposed to finish three

[1:12:46] playgrounds in the spring but the

[1:12:49] installer um once summer hits they go to

[1:12:52] the um the schools so we ended up having

[1:12:55] five new playgrounds this year so it's

[1:12:57] pretty phenomenal the regional park one

[1:12:59] is is amazing so um we're just showing

[1:13:05] the and again this is just a a DOT on

[1:13:08] the map but essentially we have a

[1:13:10] project for shelters and flushable

[1:13:12] restroom so uh right now this one's

[1:13:15] showing the one I just mentioned is at

[1:13:17] the police station so that is a larger

[1:13:20] that's our most used and most rented

[1:13:22] shelter so it's flushable restroom and

[1:13:25] shelter planted here um and then in 2025

[1:13:30] would be the construction of

[1:13:37] that and this is the one where it's just

[1:13:40] the dot on the map but essentially

[1:13:41] utility installation a lot of these

[1:13:43] projects obviously require um utilities

[1:13:46] if you're doing a I've learned over the

[1:13:48] years you do a flushable restroom one of

[1:13:50] the reasons why it's so expensive is

[1:13:52] bring sanitary sewer and water to a park

[1:13:54] that doesn't have any an electrical so

[1:13:58] um it's outlined again in the CIP I I I

[1:14:02] could stand here and talk all night

[1:14:04] about all the projects but I think that

[1:14:05] you can read those over I wanted to just

[1:14:09] overview the next few projects are

[1:14:10] Walker Johnson projects and one of the

[1:14:14] things that we are proposing for our

[1:14:17] Parks operations budget so nothing to do

[1:14:20] at CIP but it impact CIP is proposing to

[1:14:23] do a master plan to re-envision Walker

[1:14:27] Johnson Park essentially the softball

[1:14:30] complex all of our area communities

[1:14:33] Norwalk Grimes um walki have new

[1:14:37] complexes our softball complex right now

[1:14:40] we I eight years now I think or six

[1:14:44] years that the city took over the

[1:14:46] operations we just rented out so there's

[1:14:49] not a huge Revenue stream there's some

[1:14:51] that there's not a huge Revenue Stream

[1:14:53] So as we look at some

[1:14:56] significant um Investments that are

[1:14:58] proposed in the CIP this one is not as

[1:15:01] huge but next to the pickle ball courts

[1:15:03] is just the repurpose and remodel to

[1:15:05] provide a restroom but as you and some

[1:15:09] for the skateboard park starting to get

[1:15:11] more expensive but you look at this

[1:15:13] softball complex um and some of it for

[1:15:16] the lighting needs to be replaced uh The

[1:15:20] Outfield fencing the surfacing some

[1:15:24] significant in Ms to the tune of almost

[1:15:26] $2 million we said okay should we be in

[1:15:29] the softball business let's do a master

[1:15:32] plan to revisit that and have

[1:15:34] significant Community input Community

[1:15:36] what do you want to see and they might

[1:15:38] say keep it softball but it might be a

[1:15:41] splash pad it might be outdoor

[1:15:43] recreation one of the things just to

[1:15:45] mention and again it doesn't impact the

[1:15:47] CIP projects but the master plan it does

[1:15:50] need to be an outdoor recreation

[1:15:52] amenities because of the the funding in

[1:15:55] the 1970s that was used to purchase this

[1:15:58] it's the land waterer conservation

[1:16:00] Bureau of outdoor recreation it was

[1:16:01] called at the time so it would need to

[1:16:04] be um outdoor but stay tuned um we have

[1:16:10] three of our five council members here

[1:16:12] so um and our finance director and

[1:16:14] assistant city manager so that is

[1:16:17] proposed in our Parks operating budget

[1:16:20] so I just preface that so we don't get

[1:16:23] too much into the details of what's

[1:16:25] planned here um so we did we push back

[1:16:28] all of our projects in Walker Johnson

[1:16:30] until 2026 at least so we have that

[1:16:33] Master Plan input before we make those

[1:16:35] Investments so with the softball fields

[1:16:37] it sounds like they're just costing more

[1:16:39] than we're kind of renting yeah we we

[1:16:42] net some I mean three years ago it was

[1:16:45] 56,000 last year was 32,000 this year

[1:16:49] was 22,000 so it's getting less and less

[1:16:53] uh and just

[1:16:55] because there's a lot nicer complexes

[1:16:58] out there that um one they have

[1:17:00] synthetic field so they can play uh

[1:17:03] pretty much any time and it's just

[1:17:05] becoming less and less popular so it we

[1:17:09] just thought you know what Now's the

[1:17:10] Time to do it obviously our main

[1:17:12] infrastructure that we've invested

[1:17:13] millions in would stay um we're not

[1:17:16] going to take out the pickle ball courts

[1:17:17] or the tennis courts or things like that

[1:17:19] but revisioning that that section by the

[1:17:22] softball is what we be looking at Jan

[1:17:26] um I you said this was coming soon to an

[1:17:30] operating budget but you know we've

[1:17:33] talked about the ReUse of the police

[1:17:35] department

[1:17:37] building would that be something to wrap

[1:17:42] into this or would that be too premature

[1:17:45] I don't know you don't need to answer

[1:17:47] that but like that's where I'm what I'm

[1:17:50] thinking I don't

[1:17:52] know so you're like like yeah I can

[1:17:56] answer for Jan it's

[1:17:58] yes yeah we're we actually are are

[1:18:01] hoping to to get things all ready for

[1:18:04] July 1 to start with the community input

[1:18:07] so if the budget gets approved in March

[1:18:09] we would move forward with the RFP get

[1:18:11] things ready so we're not doing that in

[1:18:14] July and August we're ready to to start

[1:18:17] so I I can't speak for well I just think

[1:18:21] it's something to consider uh um since

[1:18:26] it's coming the you know an empty big

[1:18:30] building in the vicinity so I don't know

[1:18:34] I would love nothing more that okay well

[1:18:38] it brings up a good point if we're

[1:18:39] talking about the park right next to

[1:18:41] where we've got a planned wreck Hub and

[1:18:43] an empty station you before too long can

[1:18:47] that all be wrapped into a master plan

[1:18:49] to get the best use of all of it the

[1:18:52] recre Hub has a master plan it we did a

[1:18:55] master plan for it um so and have

[1:19:00] obviously the preliminary drawings and

[1:19:02] so forth so timing of these obviously a

[1:19:06] lot of steps have to happen for the

[1:19:07] police station our crisis right now of

[1:19:09] indoor space for the wreck Hub

[1:19:13] um I'm hoping we'll be able to move

[1:19:15] forward but certainly all the timing and whatever comes out of a master plan

[1:19:21] then you start plugging things back into

[1:19:23] the CIP saying okay now when can you

[1:19:27] make those happen so um I think there

[1:19:30] would have to however the timing works I

[1:19:33] am open to whatever discussion so so

[1:19:36] hopefully for the overall master plan

[1:19:39] the wreck Hub is essentially an existing

[1:19:42] condition isn't that what we're looking

[1:19:44] at right I mean we if it gets approved

[1:19:46] we would start right design construction

[1:19:50] drawings and design of that okay yeah I

[1:19:52] just I asked CU you know I hear Splash

[1:19:55] Pad at Lion's Park Splash Pad at the

[1:19:56] wreck Hub potential Splash Pad at you

[1:19:58] know some of these things are all kind

[1:20:01] of similar in function in a way right

[1:20:04] and the splash pad at the wreck Hub

[1:20:07] is out year and some people have

[1:20:10] concerns about it at that location so

[1:20:13] certainly that master plan at Walker you

[1:20:15] would not put one in my opinion you

[1:20:17] would not put one at the rec Hub if you

[1:20:20] have one at Walker Johnson I mean and

[1:20:22] that's where we're in the CIP coming

[1:20:25] here to of the the upcoming projects of

[1:20:28] a splash bed out west so um I love this

[1:20:32] excitement about parks and wck

[1:20:35] yay um Waterford Park is a diff Golf and

[1:20:39] I think it's over here we're g to so the

[1:20:44] expansion there's Waterford Park so we

[1:20:47] have a current 15 or 13 whole disc golf

[1:20:49] course is proposed to to um enhance that

[1:20:54] to expand that to 18 holes so that would

[1:20:56] be in this uh coming fiscal

[1:21:02] year water Trails this is an uh I'm

[1:21:06] trying to think of what year we have

[1:21:08] this

[1:21:09] in this is an out oute I'll just mention

[1:21:13] I did submit a grant to Icon last week

[1:21:16] if we were to get that Grant then next

[1:21:18] year I would come to you and seeing if

[1:21:21] we can move that forward but that's

[1:21:23] planned in the regional part so these um

[1:21:25] projects now are for the regional call

[1:21:28] Park the Walnut Creek Regional Park for

[1:21:30] those of you that hopefully you're aware

[1:21:33] of it but it uh Meredith Drive on the

[1:21:36] North Douglas on the South 156th Street

[1:21:39] on the west 142 Street on the East so

[1:21:43] this 200 acre Park uh Walker Johnson is

[1:21:46] considered our active Park Walnut Creek

[1:21:48] Regional Park is considered our passive

[1:21:50] Park limited to what you can construct

[1:21:53] there because a lot of this land land

[1:21:54] was purchased with re funding so again

[1:21:57] the um more of an outdoor passive

[1:22:01] Recreation so this is the park access

[1:22:04] road we currently from Aurora Avenue

[1:22:06] down to the end of 147th Street have the Park Road or the Walnut Creek Park

[1:22:12] Road proposed here would be the

[1:22:15] continuation of this down to Douglas and

[1:22:19] one of the things that this is

[1:22:20] contingent upon here's the roundabout

[1:22:23] this section the Northwest section of

[1:22:26] the roundabout would need to be

[1:22:27] developed because the frontage road for

[1:22:30] this is the this park access road would

[1:22:33] need to connect to so it it seems to be

[1:22:38] a project that gets pushed back right

[1:22:39] now we have it in 2028 and we just see

[1:22:42] on the timing of of as this gets

[1:22:45] developed then kind of one of those one

[1:22:47] thing has to happen before the next

[1:22:49] that's what this is so

[1:22:56] this is the area at the corner of

[1:22:58] 152nd

[1:23:00] and uh Meredith Drive so the fire

[1:23:02] station here this is where the proposed

[1:23:04] uplex would have been so these are in an

[1:23:07] oute but we just have proposed possible

[1:23:10] facilities that could be there one of

[1:23:13] the um amenities we had talked about was

[1:23:15] a regional playground and we said you

[1:23:18] know what for that one amenity let's put

[1:23:21] it next to an already existing in

[1:23:24] parking lot shelter restroom so this

[1:23:27] current year we just finished the Walnut

[1:23:30] Creek Regional Park regional

[1:23:33] playground right next to and I didn't

[1:23:35] want to zoom ahead I just wanted to show

[1:23:37] you the the visual here so proposed

[1:23:40] ameni 152nd and Meredith oute unless

[1:23:45] they become a priority in funding more

[1:23:47] of a priority in fundings available what

[1:23:50] is proposed in 2020

[1:23:55] eight right now is a splash pad right

[1:23:59] next to the regional play playground

[1:24:01] this is the regional playground that

[1:24:03] just got completed they already have

[1:24:05] done the grading for a future Splash Pad

[1:24:07] when we found out the popularity of

[1:24:09] lions uh park splash pad and wanting to

[1:24:14] certainly provide Regional amenities for

[1:24:16] both um parts of the community uh we'd

[1:24:20] love to do a splash pad out at the

[1:24:22] regional park in right now it's in

[1:24:27] 28 that is the end of the parks projects

[1:24:31] any questions Jan would

[1:24:34] you uh for the a splash pad at that

[1:24:37] location would you need to do because

[1:24:39] the shelter with the restrooms is on the

[1:24:41] other side of the parking lot would you

[1:24:44] do would a restroom facility be

[1:24:47] incorporated on this end no okay

[1:24:51] no that would be another

[1:24:54] lot

[1:24:55] $400,000 if you would want to we're open

[1:24:58] to it but uh just looking at

[1:25:02] the the cost of those things

[1:25:06] yeah it is a regional park I've been

[1:25:09] wondering about the possibility of

[1:25:12] seeking Partnerships on the funding so

[1:25:14] that it's not entirely uh a burden of

[1:25:17] the city of

[1:25:18] Urbandale I'm not trying to put this on

[1:25:20] in your lap I'm just saying that that's

[1:25:22] something we need to kind of figure out how to think about U because

[1:25:26] I think there's probably potential

[1:25:28] Partnerships um it is a regional part

[1:25:32] for

[1:25:33] sure yeah we had looked at at some of

[1:25:37] those for other Regional amenities it's

[1:25:39] um yeah as you know I I'm all about

[1:25:43] rating grants

[1:25:45] to to subsidize yeah maybe we can we

[1:25:49] need to talk about that maybe there's

[1:25:50] ways to do this that aren't even right

[1:25:52] in Grants it's like uh getting them to

[1:25:55] step up and support a regional

[1:25:59] piece so anyway there might be ways to

[1:26:02] defr some of this

[1:26:05] Cost question for that one Trail link

[1:26:07] that you had um that was contingent on

[1:26:09] the sale of that property that was the

[1:26:11] critical connection yes um maybe this is

[1:26:14] a good question for some of you at the

[1:26:16] table here but is there anything that

[1:26:18] can be done with Planning and Zoning

[1:26:19] what what is that zoned there right now

[1:26:27] agricultural looking at you yeah I think

[1:26:29] it's R R1 where the houses and

[1:26:30] agricultural but like you said three4 of

[1:26:33] it flood plane yeah I just didn't know

[1:26:36] if there's anything zoning wise that

[1:26:37] could be done to entice someone to

[1:26:38] actually come in and put in a burn to

[1:26:40] develop it well the problem is a current

[1:26:43] owner probably on getting it

[1:26:48] resed so it would to exactly someone

[1:26:51] would have to buy it and then correct

[1:26:53] reone

[1:26:55] I just didn't know if we could anyone

[1:26:57] could work with a developer to entice

[1:27:00] them with that you know to to move that

[1:27:03] a every time we meet somebody on theer

[1:27:06] we discuss ability to so it all depends

[1:27:09] some people at aure they do not want

[1:27:13] people

[1:27:16] walk

[1:27:22] deps yeah that's just I know we we'd

[1:27:24] spoke in the past there's in my mind

[1:27:26] five critical Links of kind of

[1:27:27] connecting the trail system and that is

[1:27:29] one of them and I'll have some questions

[1:27:31] on the other one is a other ones that

[1:27:32] they come about

[1:27:36] today well I think uh I think you did a

[1:27:39] good job

[1:27:42] Jan uh so

[1:27:50] Bridges I may need them but I may not

[1:27:54] I'm

[1:27:58] older um so just to let you know I think

[1:28:01] I have all the rest of the pages here so

[1:28:04] um I'll kind of run through know that

[1:28:06] I'll hit on the stuff that's in the next

[1:28:08] five years and then I'll kind of pass

[1:28:10] over anything that's unprogrammed which

[1:28:11] means it's from six years to 10 years

[1:28:13] out but feel free interrupt me at any

[1:28:16] time if there is kind of like an oute or

[1:28:17] anything you would do want to talk

[1:28:19] about um let's see so Bridges our first

[1:28:22] one here 41 one it isn't an oute now

[1:28:25] I'll just highlight that it used to be

[1:28:27] in 2028 and this is the area where Jan

[1:28:31] was talking about the bridge and in the

[1:28:32] disc Gulf up in this area here um really

[1:28:35] the reason I moved it to an oute is just

[1:28:37] to free up funding this property up here

[1:28:40] will need to be purchased and a

[1:28:42] development plan brought forward so

[1:28:44] until really this property is ready to

[1:28:46] develop there's not a reason to have a

[1:28:48] bridge connecting the two properties so

[1:28:51] the property up here does have Financial

[1:28:53] responsib abilities for a portion of the

[1:28:55] bridge so again nothing we can really do

[1:28:58] until the development comes along once

[1:28:59] that does we can look at moving it back

[1:29:01] up in the CIP but as of right now I

[1:29:04] think it's been been in you know a year

[1:29:08] those first five years for at least 10

[1:29:09] years now so I fig it's time to just

[1:29:11] move it to an oute and see what

[1:29:15] happens and then our next one on page 42

[1:29:18] is also in and out year that's if we

[1:29:20] actually extend Waterford road further

[1:29:22] to the West we'll need a structure to

[1:29:23] cross across the

[1:29:25] creek and that is the only two items we

[1:29:28] have for

[1:29:34] Bridges move on to the

[1:29:38] sidewalks so on page 43 is our Ada

[1:29:42] pedestrian access transition plan

[1:29:44] basically we have to have this plan in

[1:29:45] order to receive federal funding through

[1:29:47] the through the dot um what we do is

[1:29:51] each year um we design basically The

[1:29:53] Pedestrian and ramps at the

[1:29:54] intersections and we reconstruct them to

[1:29:57] bring them into ADA compliance uh we do

[1:30:00] $100,000 a year and what we're coming up

[1:30:03] with for this next year that we'll beid

[1:30:05] in you know in January is roughly in are

[1:30:09] areas east of 86 Street again this is

[1:30:12] just an annual

[1:30:17] program next one is on page 44 this is a

[1:30:20] new new project that we added to the CIP

[1:30:23] this year it's basically to construct a

[1:30:26] 10- foot Trail on the north side of

[1:30:28] Hickman Road from the access point on

[1:30:30] the Frontage Road West of Patricia drive

[1:30:32] over to 86 Street and there's a lot of

[1:30:35] other sheets we'll be talking about but

[1:30:36] I just want to show how all this kind of

[1:30:38] connects together so we're talking about

[1:30:40] the trail here as we move a little

[1:30:43] further to the

[1:30:45] West um so this is our parks and Public

[1:30:48] Works facility it's got a 10-ft trail

[1:30:51] out in front of it we have under

[1:30:53] contract to connect that trail over to

[1:30:56] the axis onto the frontage road um

[1:30:58] they've started that this year

[1:30:59] unfortunately we ran into some delays

[1:31:01] with getting our shop drawings approved

[1:31:03] through the railroad we're hoping

[1:31:05] through the winter we will get that

[1:31:06] approved and then we can finish the

[1:31:09] construction in in the spring so this

[1:31:11] will be a connection from 86 Street

[1:31:13] will'll get us back to the parks and

[1:31:15] Public Works then another page that'll

[1:31:18] be coming up in a little bit is we're

[1:31:21] looking to reconstruct the frontage road

[1:31:23] and and once we do that we'll look to

[1:31:25] turn that into Cheryl's and that'll be

[1:31:27] the connection to get you over to 100

[1:31:29] Street our right away on the north is is

[1:31:32] just too narrow to fit anything in there

[1:31:35] and then of course with the ditches in

[1:31:36] here it'll be difficult so we'd have

[1:31:39] there's not a lot of traffic on there

[1:31:40] they can come up onto here we would um

[1:31:43] replace this sidewalk to connect you up

[1:31:45] to 100 Street that'll be said another

[1:31:48] page that'll talk about a trail

[1:31:51] connection from 100 Street back West to

[1:31:55] 111 street or the entrance into living

[1:31:57] history farms and then there's another

[1:32:00] page we'll talk about the Hickman

[1:32:01] interchange that'll get you back

[1:32:03] Connected over here by LifeTime Fitness

[1:32:05] to the trail that was just constructed

[1:32:07] there so again just kind of put a few

[1:32:09] things in context on how they all work

[1:32:11] together when to talk about them

[1:32:15] individually going back so again this is

[1:32:17] at at the East stand here from from just

[1:32:20] west of Patricia over to 86 Street

[1:32:23] thank you that overview is helpful yeah

[1:32:25] I was just about to say the same thing

[1:32:27] looked at each one of these individually

[1:32:29] they jump they jump around so then we

[1:32:31] jump that's what alphabetical order

[1:32:33] does on on for on page 45 then is one I

[1:32:37] just mentioned is the 100 Street over to

[1:32:40] the entrance to liveing history farms

[1:32:42] and we were fortunate enough to we

[1:32:43] received 400,000 in surface

[1:32:45] Transportation block grants um

[1:32:48] alternative funding for that so again

[1:32:51] we'll have funding it was originally

[1:32:54] funding for 2028 asked to move it up to

[1:32:57] 27 to coincide with when the trail would

[1:32:59] be with the Hickman interchange and the

[1:33:01] no said yes we can accommodate that so

[1:33:03] they let it occur in

[1:33:09] 27 our next one here on page 46 is a

[1:33:13] study trying to look for a way to find a

[1:33:16] connection around 86 Street or a little

[1:33:19] further west to connect North Park and

[1:33:21] Plum Drive to get you over the

[1:33:22] interstate um we've hired a consultant

[1:33:25] that's looking at options right now

[1:33:26] they're due to have um recommendations

[1:33:29] To Us by the end of the year then

[1:33:30] hopefully next year we can update the

[1:33:32] page on on the location but right now

[1:33:35] it's not the safest people do walk along

[1:33:37] 86 Street and we're just looking for a

[1:33:39] more accomodating way to connect the way

[1:33:42] I look at it connect the hotels and

[1:33:44] restaurants with the other hotels and

[1:33:45] restaurants on the North side along with

[1:33:48] the

[1:33:50] businesses so I did have a question on

[1:33:52] this one um

[1:33:54] right now the the trail Network that is

[1:33:57] linking all those neighborhoods to the

[1:33:59] South kind of from Cross Creek on up um

[1:34:02] it manages not to have to cross any

[1:34:05] streets until you hit

[1:34:07] Plum um so any of the people that are

[1:34:09] going to be using this um that are not

[1:34:11] just coming from hotels but all those

[1:34:13] residential neighborhoods to the South

[1:34:15] are having to cross a cross plone drive

[1:34:18] and that that's only going to get busier

[1:34:20] as that area develops is there a way

[1:34:23] similar to how it is in all of the major

[1:34:26] um arterial streets to the South to get

[1:34:28] under Plum Drive so that you're not

[1:34:30] having to cross eight bus he Street I I

[1:34:32] don't believe it's physically possible

[1:34:35] one thing are as part of this study is

[1:34:37] the consultant is also looking at where

[1:34:39] the trail should be on Plum Drive again

[1:34:42] I think it's going to be on one side of

[1:34:44] the road or the other they're also

[1:34:45] looking at where the uh decorative light

[1:34:48] poles and things would go so they're

[1:34:50] looking at that entire Corridor but I

[1:34:52] just don't think it's possible to get

[1:34:54] low enough to go go under Plum Drive

[1:34:57] yeah because at at Douglas at merid it

[1:34:59] all goes under manages to go under the

[1:35:01] roads kind of by those the water system

[1:35:05] the creek

[1:35:13] y um on page 47 this is a new project so

[1:35:19] what this would do is we have a trail in

[1:35:21] Meredith Park and it would replace the

[1:35:25] sidewalk and continue it over towards 86

[1:35:27] Street as we come up on 86 Street it

[1:35:30] would go back down to the existing

[1:35:31] sidewalk that's there today our limiting

[1:35:34] constraints there are um the parking lot

[1:35:37] and there's a gas regulation station

[1:35:39] right here and the easements we' need to

[1:35:41] obtain so again this this one would be a challenge and a very expensive

[1:35:46] project if we had to buy part of their

[1:35:48] parking lot and move that gas regulation

[1:35:50] station a little more background on this

[1:35:53] again future projects I'll talk about

[1:35:55] but so as I say it connect out of the

[1:35:58] Marth Park up into the

[1:36:00] neighborhoods um we've got a project

[1:36:02] that'll be bid shortly through the dot

[1:36:04] that'll take a 10- foot trail from 86

[1:36:07] Street on the north side of Meredith

[1:36:08] over to 104th Street and over by 104th

[1:36:13] Street zoom in so you can see it we

[1:36:15] recently constructed a trail along 104th

[1:36:18] that provides

[1:36:19] connections and then we're in the

[1:36:21] process we have under contract track to

[1:36:24] extend the trail from 104th over to

[1:36:26] Northwest Urbandale Drive in order to do

[1:36:29] that we had to underground the power

[1:36:31] poles unfortunately that's taken longer

[1:36:33] than we anticipated so we thought we'd

[1:36:36] have this Trail in this fall turns out

[1:36:38] it'll be this spring before they finish

[1:36:40] the undergrounding for

[1:36:42] us so again just to put things in

[1:36:45] context on uh where we are

[1:36:49] at yeah I will mention I think I did

[1:36:51] last year it would be a shame to have

[1:36:53] that 10 foot nice path all down along

[1:36:56] Meredith except for a 200 foot section

[1:36:59] um I I know you know down on Hickman we

[1:37:01] managed to figure something out with the

[1:37:03] railroad I don't know if there's how

[1:37:04] expensive this gas station area would be

[1:37:08] to get moved or all I'm sure it's

[1:37:10] complicated but yeah I think in order to

[1:37:12] get the 10 foot through there we would

[1:37:14] have to remove a large portion of that

[1:37:16] parking lot as well I think it'd be very

[1:37:19] we can always look into it but I think

[1:37:20] it be very expensive to buy a chunk of

[1:37:23] par parking lot from from the bank there

[1:37:26] I'm sure it would as well it just it

[1:37:27] would be a shame to have that whole I

[1:37:29] realize that but that's part of part of

[1:37:32] I guess the philosophy of the complete

[1:37:33] streets plan is it's not always I you

[1:37:36] know a perfect situation you just try to

[1:37:38] fit in and make as many improvements as

[1:37:40] you can and what you can make work it's

[1:37:43] not additionally just that one stretch

[1:37:46] of sidewalk gets within like two foot of

[1:37:48] the road there I know it's it's

[1:37:50] dangerous as it is so

[1:37:56] next one is also a new project this year

[1:37:59] on page 48 this would be a 5- foot

[1:38:03] sidewalk to connect um the hotel down to

[1:38:06] Sutton Place and then there's a sidewalk

[1:38:08] continues to the South I'd also add that

[1:38:11] in the last few years we worked with the

[1:38:12] city de Mo and dart and we now have a a

[1:38:16] bus stop in this area here so again

[1:38:19] we've got access to the bus stop from

[1:38:21] the south and from the West this would

[1:38:22] provide more access from the hotel down

[1:38:25] to to that Dart

[1:38:30] stop page 49 is also a new project so as

[1:38:35] I was mentioning we have a trail we're

[1:38:38] looking to construct on the north side

[1:38:39] of Meredith we have an existing on

[1:38:41] Meredith we have a trail on Northwest

[1:38:43] urbil Drive so this would provide a

[1:38:45] trail connection on the west side of

[1:38:47] Northwest over the drive that would get

[1:38:49] you up to the Plum Drive corridor

[1:38:56] page 50 this is our page that we call

[1:38:59] the sidewalks various locations

[1:39:01] basically um we walk a quarter of the

[1:39:04] city every year and we look for defects

[1:39:07] uh we notify the property owner to do

[1:39:09] those repairs and then if there happens

[1:39:11] to be any there are city responsibility

[1:39:13] this allows us to have funding to fix things that are city

[1:39:18] responsibility and you can see right now

[1:39:20] almost all all the money that's in in

[1:39:22] out years are B basically the property

[1:39:24] owners we do have a balance so we are

[1:39:26] all right at the moment sometime in the

[1:39:28] future we may need to start putting

[1:39:30] funds into that balance but right now we have enough money to keep doing our

[1:39:33] own

[1:39:37] repairs is there a certain part of the

[1:39:40] city based on

[1:39:43] your every foure walking that we'll be

[1:39:46] focusing on for this coming year you

[1:39:50] mind me

[1:39:56] when you when you've been doing this for

[1:39:57] 20 some years those those keep rotating

[1:39:59] start keep

[1:40:04] track okay and then on page 51 is a new

[1:40:09] project um this would provide a

[1:40:11] connection between call the the North

[1:40:14] Leg of aurora on the west side of 86

[1:40:16] Street and then what future project

[1:40:18] we'll talk about is our complete streets

[1:40:20] and bike Lanes we're talking about on

[1:40:21] Aurora Avenue um right right now there's

[1:40:24] not a good way since we added cheros on

[1:40:27] Aurora Avenue here to get down to Aurora

[1:40:30] um there's a 4ot sidewalk that doesn't

[1:40:32] drain real well through here so what

[1:40:33] we're proposing is to replace that with

[1:40:35] a 10- foot Trail and and make for a

[1:40:38] safer connection between the two Aurora

[1:40:45] Avenues P 52 is another new

[1:40:49] project um so recently on the north side

[1:40:52] of Doug we did the 15ot um complete

[1:40:55] streets uh Trail and sidewalk that get

[1:40:58] you to the creek get the cross over the

[1:41:00] creek and then this past year we added

[1:41:03] the 15 foot section over to um Justin

[1:41:06] Martin Drive or the entrance police

[1:41:07] station and HIV where we cross the

[1:41:09] street and then continued over to 86th

[1:41:12] Street unfortunately we had some utility

[1:41:15] issues that held us up so so far only

[1:41:18] the sidewalks been put in on the south

[1:41:20] side of Doug Douglas they'll connect

[1:41:21] over to North Karen Acres Park Park in

[1:41:24] the spring we'll add the 10-ft asphalt

[1:41:26] piece which will give us a good

[1:41:27] connection through there so looking at a

[1:41:30] future project that will connect up to

[1:41:33] this new new East West trail that will

[1:41:36] provide a 10- foot Trail to replace the

[1:41:38] sidewalk to go from Douglas past the

[1:41:41] city hall campus and then connect down

[1:41:43] to the Charles gapes Memorial Tree Park

[1:41:46] it's one of the kind of missing areas we

[1:41:47] have of sidewalk is on call it the

[1:41:50] entrance into the library we don't have

[1:41:52] a sidewalk on either side it was set up

[1:41:54] in the middle of the parking lot so this

[1:41:56] will add an easier way to get down to

[1:41:58] the park and into the trail so that's

[1:42:00] proposed in

[1:42:02] 2026 and then in 2029 would be replacing

[1:42:06] a piece of Trail through here that

[1:42:08] connects into to our other trail

[1:42:12] system what is the plan for 86 are you

[1:42:15] looking at doing a 10- foot Trail

[1:42:17] similar to the other arterial streets

[1:42:19] or um actually looking at the areas we

[1:42:22] can there's a lot of areas where it's

[1:42:24] going to be tough especially as we get

[1:42:27] north of Douglas um it'd be one of those

[1:42:31] things where you'd have to start looking

[1:42:33] at will it fit on the east side then you

[1:42:35] might go a couple blocks and you have to

[1:42:36] move it to the west side where it would

[1:42:38] fit and then maybe move it back to the

[1:42:40] east looking at a lot of these I think

[1:42:42] it's going to be difficult um it's been a while but I did the widening

[1:42:46] design for 86 Street here and just kind

[1:42:50] of the way the drainage if you look at a

[1:42:51] lot of things it drops off into the yard

[1:42:53] s to where we pretty much did all we

[1:42:55] could without having to either get

[1:42:57] easements take people's fences out and

[1:42:59] keep moving things closer so there's you

[1:43:02] again challenges there then on the flip

[1:43:04] side you've got you know by the golf

[1:43:06] course where it's down next to it and

[1:43:09] their parking lot where we already got a

[1:43:10] retaining wall next to it so it's

[1:43:13] something something we're looking at but

[1:43:14] haven't found a great solution for yet

[1:43:17] with that in mind um you just talked a

[1:43:19] second ago about the extension or

[1:43:21] replacement of a 4ot sidewalk

[1:43:23] are are a lot of those easements through

[1:43:26] these neighborhoods where they have the

[1:43:27] trail City owned where those 4 foot

[1:43:29] sidewalks exist it depends it could be

[1:43:32] in an easement or it could be in City

[1:43:34] own just different location what I was

[1:43:36] wondering is is there a way to go from

[1:43:39] Walker Johnston through some of those 4

[1:43:41] foot trails that kind of run from there

[1:43:43] up through C to kind of Cross Creek Park

[1:43:46] instead if you're not able to develop

[1:43:48] along the street of 886

[1:43:54] so it would be I know like I said we've

[1:43:56] worked with again we started doing some

[1:43:58] of the cheros up in here but it gets

[1:44:00] tough through the golf course here and

[1:44:03] there's some other ones where yeah it

[1:44:04] would be private property that is in

[1:44:07] kind of the in the complete streets plan

[1:44:08] just again we were trying to get some of

[1:44:11] the ones that we can do now versus and

[1:44:13] then there'll be time when we get to

[1:44:14] more of these challenging ones

[1:44:23] 53 is a new one it's hard to see here

[1:44:27] but uh there's a trail that goes through

[1:44:29] um Gul VI Park here comes out to a 4

[1:44:33] foot sidewalk along 100 Street so we'

[1:44:35] replace that with a trail across the

[1:44:37] street have our Trail come along here

[1:44:40] and tie into La Ward Park which brings

[1:44:42] you out to the trail along Northwest

[1:44:44] Urbandale drive so we have this short

[1:44:46] little stretch of sidewalk that we would

[1:44:47] lighten out to a

[1:44:50] trail would we be assessing anything the

[1:44:53] property owners there no um basically

[1:44:56] once the property owners responsible for

[1:44:58] the original sidewalk so if there hadn't

[1:45:00] been one then yes they would be

[1:45:02] responsible for half I just wanted to

[1:45:04] see if Curtis was paying

[1:45:06] attention he's pretty excited when he

[1:45:07] learned this one was in

[1:45:13] here

[1:45:14] 54 our last one within sidewalk so these

[1:45:17] are is a sidewalk along 114th Street so

[1:45:21] this year we constructed a sidewalk that

[1:45:23] continued from Meredith down to Aurora

[1:45:26] Avenue and I guess a little background

[1:45:28] what we're looking at is trying to add some amenity into the the Aurora

[1:45:32] Business Park to have people a place to

[1:45:34] walk with all the business we have back

[1:45:36] when these were all originally built

[1:45:38] sidewalks were just not something that

[1:45:39] anybody built in in a business area or

[1:45:42] an office area so again from Meredith

[1:45:44] down to Aurora the sidewalk has been

[1:45:46] built and so next year's plan is we'll

[1:45:49] continue from Aurora bring it all the

[1:45:51] way down to Douglas tie the trail system

[1:45:54] there and then 2026 we tie it in along

[1:45:57] Aurora into there's a a Trail Loop

[1:45:59] around the pond so we'd connect that

[1:46:01] area all

[1:46:04] together I guess that is the last page

[1:46:07] of

[1:46:11] sidewalks storm water is next one's

[1:46:15] storm water here that storm water stream

[1:46:19] restoration youve got uh the very first

[1:46:22] one on page AG 55 is in an oute it'd be

[1:46:26] some improvements along Airline

[1:46:29] Avenue our next one is is the cre and

[1:46:32] storm water

[1:46:34] improvements have some slide here I want

[1:46:36] to pull up

[1:46:40] quick that is

[1:46:51] not so again this is an annual allotment

[1:46:54] where we do different different Creek

[1:46:56] improvements where we lay back the banks

[1:46:58] and deal with erosion issues just I

[1:47:00] wanted to highlight a couple things that

[1:47:02] we are currently doing it's one that's

[1:47:04] under under contract now this is City

[1:47:07] Hall here so we're just north of Douglas

[1:47:10] in sunflower Park we've got a proposed

[1:47:12] project in there and we've got another

[1:47:14] one reference here's 142nd in Douglas

[1:47:17] the roundabout we're you did you come

[1:47:19] into the park on the north side of

[1:47:20] Douglas that's looking to start this

[1:47:22] December

[1:47:23] and the bids were roughly

[1:47:25] $390,000 for that one and then we have

[1:47:28] one under under design now that we're

[1:47:30] trying to keep make sure we get all our

[1:47:32] permits secured which should happen

[1:47:33] shortly that we can go out to bid

[1:47:34] probably January February hopefully here

[1:47:37] um one is in G viw Park so it's just

[1:47:40] east of 100 Street or just just in the

[1:47:43] general area where we were just talking

[1:47:44] about the trail

[1:47:45] connection and then there's another one

[1:47:48] here's the roundabout again but this

[1:47:50] time it's south of Douglas for work on

[1:47:52] the creek right now their estimate is

[1:47:54] roughly $900,000 for those those two

[1:47:58] projects so just give you a little more

[1:48:01] detail uh on those

[1:48:08] projects our next one is page

[1:48:13] 57 um this is a new project that would

[1:48:16] be some storms improvements on Dennis

[1:48:18] Drive but is currently in an oute

[1:48:24] page 58 is our annual intake uh

[1:48:27] rebuilding program this is one where we

[1:48:29] have used outside contractors help

[1:48:32] supplement our Public Works Crews um

[1:48:35] this is actually be the last year that

[1:48:36] we have this proposed to use the outside

[1:48:39] contractors in the last since 2014 we've

[1:48:42] repaired about 450 intakes uh we think

[1:48:45] from now we can handle it with our crew

[1:48:47] we're going to suspend this this program

[1:48:49] with the additional funding but we're

[1:48:50] going to keep monitoring things and we

[1:48:52] think we need to start hire some

[1:48:54] contractors to help again we'll

[1:48:56] reintroduce dollars into this this

[1:48:58] program but again right now we repared a

[1:49:01] lot of the older block style ones that

[1:49:03] have fallen apart we've got way more now

[1:49:05] that are the port concrete which last a

[1:49:07] lot

[1:49:13] longer page

[1:49:15] 59 is a new page but it's the Madison

[1:49:18] Avenue storm sewer improvements so just

[1:49:20] a little background since this one is is

[1:49:23] in the next fiveyear plan um we did a

[1:49:25] study to look at our storm sewer system

[1:49:28] east of 86 Street and that's where're

[1:49:31] not really a surprise but we learned

[1:49:33] that a lot of our storm sewer is

[1:49:34] undersized we also know a lot of the

[1:49:37] community doesn't have any storm sewer

[1:49:39] in in their neighborhoods so we're

[1:49:40] looking at ways that we can add storm

[1:49:42] sewer or upside storm sewer as we go so

[1:49:45] for instance on this one with our

[1:49:47] Douglas urbanization we upsized the pipe

[1:49:50] here to kind of get things started and

[1:49:53] with this project we can add storm on

[1:49:55] 81st in Madison 82nd and 83rd so

[1:49:59] basically to do these projects we have

[1:50:01] to remove the pavement um add the larger

[1:50:04] storm sewer and we redo the pavement and

[1:50:06] at these times we're also adding uh

[1:50:08] Services out to the property owner so

[1:50:10] they can hook their sum pump up to it as

[1:50:13] well um a lot of these you know we

[1:50:15] decide we got to determine how many

[1:50:17] years they're usually mult multiple

[1:50:18] years for instance this one right now

[1:50:20] we're assuming we get done in two we'll

[1:50:21] have to design to confirm that but the

[1:50:23] reason these take so long is you have to

[1:50:26] do them in short segments because while

[1:50:28] the Street's gone people have to walk to

[1:50:30] their house so we try to keep it as

[1:50:32] short a distance as possible but still

[1:50:33] be able to get get work done during the construction season so again

[1:50:38] kind of that four or 500 feet is what we

[1:50:40] try to limit to how far people have to

[1:50:45] walk on page

[1:50:48] 60 is our Oliver Smith storm sewer

[1:50:51] project so as a point of reference

[1:50:53] here's Ken Acres Elementary um this will

[1:50:56] be kind of a second phase of a project

[1:50:58] that I'll talk about in a minute that's

[1:51:00] why this is not looking to start till

[1:51:02] 29 but we will basically be able to add

[1:51:05] the storm sewer and make improvements on

[1:51:08] 74 street over to 72nd Oliver Smith

[1:51:11] again kind of northeast of Karen Acres

[1:51:16] Elementary and here's the main one that

[1:51:19] we're looking at right now is Page 61

[1:51:21] which is our Land Drive storm SE

[1:51:23] Improvement so again here is Karen Acres

[1:51:27] so this project will start down down at

[1:51:29] the creek work all the way up to Rosland

[1:51:32] the 72nd Beyond Palm again this is

[1:51:35] another one that'll have a lot of

[1:51:36] payment removal new storm sewer payment

[1:51:39] replacement there's a little bit unlik

[1:51:41] Ashworth Drive that would we don't need

[1:51:43] to remove all the street to put in the

[1:51:45] storm sewer so we'll do some patching so

[1:51:47] again we're looking to improve the

[1:51:49] entire neighborhood while we are there

[1:51:52] um this one we're looking at bidding

[1:51:54] that out kind of the January February

[1:51:56] time

[1:51:57] frame John with it being so close to the

[1:52:00] school do you have to schedule around we

[1:52:03] do y we've been in communication with

[1:52:05] the school I think it's roughly two

[1:52:07] weeks ago we also had a neighborhood

[1:52:08] informational meeting where we kind of

[1:52:10] explained everything it's kind of

[1:52:12] surprising nobody wanted to talk as much

[1:52:13] about the street coming out as they did

[1:52:15] our our foundation drain disconnect

[1:52:17] program that was that was interesting to

[1:52:18] them was that well received actually

[1:52:22] there actually I think it was and there

[1:52:24] was just a lot of curiosity with it you

[1:52:26] know wondering how it would work and you

[1:52:28] know tell them we still had some more

[1:52:29] things to work through but again i'

[1:52:31] would have been there to talk about the

[1:52:32] fact I'm gonna have to walk home they

[1:52:34] just seem to focus focus on wanting to

[1:52:35] learn more about that

[1:52:39] so so yeah and so yeah we have talked to

[1:52:41] school it got a little tougher now this

[1:52:44] became the year round school so we have

[1:52:46] different windows and when we have to do

[1:52:48] breaks but again the good news is when

[1:52:50] we're down here there's still other ways

[1:52:52] to get in from the north be bar

[1:52:55] consultant has been in contact with the

[1:52:57] school and been discussing it with

[1:53:00] them who's the consultant in this one

[1:53:02] this one's aeom

[1:53:07] okay our next one is page

[1:53:10] 62 um we call this the storm store

[1:53:13] extension from the Merl ha reinvestment

[1:53:15] District we called it was called the

[1:53:17] Merl hay reinvestment District because

[1:53:19] we applied for a grant and didn't get

[1:53:20] the grant but we kept the name

[1:53:23] so a little bit about this one um back

[1:53:26] in our our June of 2018 storms 66 in

[1:53:30] aine was probably our one location where

[1:53:32] the intersection probably got the

[1:53:33] deepest the most flooding so we're

[1:53:35] looking to try to alleviate that um what

[1:53:38] we've got going since this is kind of

[1:53:40] that second phase this year we started

[1:53:44] down down here at 64th in Douglas where

[1:53:46] used to be a Mexican restaurant City

[1:53:48] purchased that to install the storm

[1:53:49] sewer we cross Douglas went up parking

[1:53:52] lot on the west side of IHOP followed

[1:53:55] the Ring Road around the mall up to

[1:53:57] Airline we were always figuring this

[1:53:59] would be a full two-year project

[1:54:02] everything went went well with our

[1:54:03] contractor all the storms pipe is in

[1:54:06] Airline all we have left to do in the

[1:54:08] spring is is paved the the malls Ring

[1:54:11] Road back in it's just temporary surface

[1:54:13] now but again they they did a lot of

[1:54:16] work in a short time frame to get

[1:54:17] through there so to talk about this next

[1:54:20] phase so there is the storm sewer that

[1:54:23] comes up here and it's already stubbed

[1:54:26] into Airline off the mall's property so

[1:54:28] this would bring the storm sewer and

[1:54:30] bring it down Airline over to 66 where

[1:54:33] again we'll be adding a lot of intakes

[1:54:35] and things to help reduce that Flooding

[1:54:37] at the intersection we're also adding um

[1:54:41] new storm sewer over here in Madison and

[1:54:43] it does two different things for us you

[1:54:45] know all a lot of the drainage that's

[1:54:47] coming north Airline now coming in this

[1:54:49] new storm sewer and go around whereas it

[1:54:52] doesn't overload the system that's down

[1:54:54] here now so we've taken some of the

[1:54:56] pressure off of our existing system that

[1:54:58] could not handle

[1:55:00] it so this one here is planned for

[1:55:04] 2026 and this one is currently under

[1:55:11] design our next one is page 63 so this

[1:55:15] is at 65th at Meredith another storm

[1:55:17] sewer Improvement project what this one

[1:55:19] will do is we'll start at the creek

[1:55:21] north of Meredith um put in a larger

[1:55:24] storm sewer along Meredith here between

[1:55:27] 67th and 65th then 65th currently has no

[1:55:31] storm sewer so this will be adding storm

[1:55:34] sewer to this entire stretch of the road

[1:55:36] here it does not currently have it and

[1:55:37] of course will hook up or give the sump

[1:55:40] pump connections as

[1:55:44] well believe it or not that is the end

[1:55:46] of

[1:55:47] storm I'd like to make a general comment

[1:55:50] here sure

[1:55:53] I've been an advocate for storms worker

[1:55:57] for quite a while

[1:56:01] and going back to our

[1:56:04] original repeating myself from last year

[1:56:07] and the year before andway going back to

[1:56:10] our Consultants study a couple years ago

[1:56:13] they outlined in yesterday's dollars

[1:56:16] $100 million worth of storm store work

[1:56:18] for

[1:56:19] Urbandale and I suggested that time

[1:56:22] maybe think about 80 80 mil and of

[1:56:25] course those numbers now are obsolete

[1:56:28] you what was 80 million then three or

[1:56:32] four years ago is probably 100 120

[1:56:35] million

[1:56:37] now and I advocated for more money for

[1:56:42] storm sters it felt like 100 Mill if

[1:56:45] it's 100 million doll project and you're

[1:56:48] divided divided into 10 years so maybe

[1:56:50] we'd arrive well it be 10 million in the

[1:56:52] year that's just repeating what I said

[1:56:57] before now I see by going back to the

[1:57:00] finance

[1:57:01] pages that we left

[1:57:05] our monies for storm

[1:57:08] seers what they were we go back to page

[1:57:13] a.2 I I bragged out last year's CIP to

[1:57:18] Compare the numbers yeah

[1:57:20] while jump numbers up more money going

[1:57:24] to it now but now I don't see or I guess

[1:57:27] my question is we have put three new

[1:57:31] storm SE projects on the

[1:57:34] books but as far as I can see most of

[1:57:37] that is

[1:57:39] outway

[1:57:45] and don't see these numbers are jumping

[1:57:48] up I suspect subject to correction that

[1:57:52] reflecting increased construction costs

[1:57:55] for the same

[1:57:57] project and I still think we need to

[1:57:59] devote more more work more dollars to

[1:58:03] more storm seers we're ever going to

[1:58:05] arrive on this thing again repeating

[1:58:07] what I talked about

[1:58:09] before

[1:58:11] now as our chief Engineers pointed out

[1:58:14] here you got to move this stuff in small

[1:58:17] increments it's

[1:58:18] disruptive I can't imagine anything

[1:58:21] tougher to sell

[1:58:22] a concrete pipe that is buried in the

[1:58:25] ground and is only used once in a

[1:58:28] while unfortunately love clip side of

[1:58:31] that thing is yeah used once in a while

[1:58:34] but then had once in it's all designed

[1:58:36] as far as I know for 100e flood subject

[1:58:39] corrected on that but we have lots of of

[1:58:43] times when there more than a 100 year

[1:58:46] flood and so then

[1:58:49] the the question comes up well we spent

[1:58:52] all this money and we're still flooding

[1:58:54] so it's it's a tough sell all the way

[1:58:55] around difficult costly deal but again I

[1:58:59] guess I'll just if we can I still think

[1:59:03] we need to accelerate this program over

[1:59:06] what we're currently planning on but

[1:59:08] where that money is going to come from

[1:59:10] is a very good question because this

[1:59:11] stuff is

[1:59:13] slow and you can't do too much anyone

[1:59:17] ear like John says can't walk to your

[1:59:19] house it's a mud hole for five blocks

[1:59:22] around so it's a very difficult deal but

[1:59:26] I guess I'll

[1:59:28] just leave it to well I appreciate your

[1:59:31] comments and I know we all take them

[1:59:34] very seriously especially at the council

[1:59:36] if you have um

[1:59:38] specific uh amendments or uh items you

[1:59:42] want to move around we're going to talk

[1:59:44] about that once we get through all of uh

[1:59:48] the sections which we are almost we're

[1:59:49] getting very close to being can tell you

[1:59:52] on these yeah we have a staff looked at

[1:59:54] how much more can we get how much can we

[1:59:56] move stuff up the other thing is is kind

[1:59:58] of how we sell it is we also pick places

[2:00:00] where the roads are in really bad shape

[2:00:02] so that's the other selling point as you

[2:00:04] get a new road out of it even though you

[2:00:05] had to walk for a little while yeah

[2:00:08] that's that's all all part of it I guess

[2:00:11] what I would I'm just speaking generally

[2:00:13] here and I don't know if I'm going to

[2:00:14] make any the Motions here but I think if

[2:00:20] we want to accelerate this

[2:00:23] deal that's what we really want to do is

[2:00:25] going to have to come out of some some

[2:00:26] other program's hide here okay very

[2:00:30] simple

[2:00:32] and just

[2:00:34] question whose Ox do we want to go if

[2:00:37] for really really want to do something

[2:00:39] about this we pick it up from what it is

[2:00:41] but the way that I don't want to be too

[2:00:43] critical here but the present Pace will

[2:00:47] be we'll be 50 years getting this done

[2:00:49] and I just think need to speed it up

[2:00:53] again I think I'm going

[2:00:55] to a little bit refer to the rest of the

[2:01:00] committee my position is well known on

[2:01:04] this if I were to do

[2:01:07] it I would be taking monies probably out

[2:01:11] of the the

[2:01:14] streets and I'd probably taking money

[2:01:16] out of

[2:01:19] sidewalks he done

[2:01:23] but again I'm I'm going to defer a

[2:01:24] little bit to the the rest of the

[2:01:27] committee if here well let's uh let's

[2:01:30] defer the conversation um till we get

[2:01:33] through uh the rest of the sections and

[2:01:35] then uh I welcome uh discussion on this

[2:01:39] yeah I just wanted to insert that there

[2:01:41] I did have a question um for two of the

[2:01:44] projects uh 61 and 62 Rosland and the

[2:01:47] storm sewer extension to Merl the costs

[2:01:51] for those two projects jumped

[2:01:53] significantly from last year's budget to

[2:01:55] this year's it's like John has said

[2:01:58] these prices have been been going up and

[2:02:00] as we get into from a planning level

[2:02:03] cost opinion to an actual design

[2:02:06] one they have they have gone

[2:02:11] up prices only go one way and that's

[2:02:15] up those two in particular almost didn't

[2:02:18] quite double but got pretty close to

[2:02:19] doubling so

[2:02:22] Y and these are like I said these are

[2:02:24] challenging projects and and they have

[2:02:26] gone up you know we can still have a

[2:02:27] chance to get some good bids like we did

[2:02:29] on the aora Avenue project west of 86

[2:02:32] but as I said before we need to budget

[2:02:34] enough that if bids do come in high we

[2:02:37] can still still do

[2:02:46] projects right on to streets um so this

[2:02:51] is our annual Street re rehabilitation

[2:02:53] program or we call it our patching

[2:02:55] program that we do every year um this

[2:02:58] next year we're up in this area here so

[2:03:02] we're north of Meredith south south of

[2:03:04] Sutton Drive and kind of between 67th

[2:03:07] and Merl hay so we'll be up in that area

[2:03:09] of patching and then we'll also have one

[2:03:12] as we come down to 128th in Douglas the

[2:03:16] Timberline area we up in here between

[2:03:18] Douglas and Tanglewood and then 128 over

[2:03:21] to 127 so basically this Timberline area

[2:03:24] just for a little additional information

[2:03:26] but we typically do this um 2 and a half

[2:03:29] million a year in in roadway

[2:03:37] patches get on to I guess page 66 that's

[2:03:40] our roora Avenue uh from U our on street

[2:03:44] bike Lanes from 7th 86th Street so this

[2:03:48] is one where we're looking to go from a

[2:03:50] four-lane section to a three Lane Lane

[2:03:52] section on Aurora between 86th Street

[2:03:54] and 70th and then add at bike Lanes on

[2:03:57] the outside um we've had two public

[2:04:00] information meetings um they were

[2:04:03] attended by the council and the mayor

[2:04:06] some of them were able to attend even

[2:04:08] both meetings so we've kind of gone

[2:04:10] through got a lot of public comments on the project uh we then have followed

[2:04:15] up with the council and got the

[2:04:16] direction to at this point to continue

[2:04:18] moving forward with our design so we've

[2:04:21] been meeting with our consultant will

[2:04:22] get going more on on this design just

[2:04:25] want to note though for the public and

[2:04:27] we said this at both of the public

[2:04:29] meetings that they have the ability to

[2:04:31] comment on this project when we have our

[2:04:33] CIP public hearing with this committee

[2:04:36] and then there'll be the other meeting

[2:04:37] where the council takes up the CIP at

[2:04:39] their public hearing and then if we are

[2:04:42] still moving forward we'll bid the

[2:04:44] project and then there'll be another

[2:04:45] public hearing on it that the public has

[2:04:47] a chance chance to comment so again

[2:04:49] we've done a couple information meetings

[2:04:51] just wants you know that there's still

[2:04:53] plenty of time for the public to comment

[2:04:55] on the

[2:04:59] project what's been the reaction yeah um

[2:05:03] there's been there's been some positive

[2:05:05] comments and there's definitely been

[2:05:06] some some negative comments

[2:05:09] U so again there's there's some that

[2:05:13] would prefer we we did nothing um

[2:05:16] there's some from the biking community

[2:05:18] that that like the I idea of this they

[2:05:20] feel more comfortable having having the

[2:05:22] actual Lanes out there and I think

[2:05:24] probably the biggest thing we'll see

[2:05:25] from this in my opinion is just the

[2:05:27] safety Improvement of going from four

[2:05:29] lanes to three lanes I think that's

[2:05:31] going to help things it should slow down

[2:05:33] traffic a little bit get them closer to

[2:05:35] that 25 that's out there plus when you

[2:05:37] narrow it up and have those bike Lanes

[2:05:39] it's a shorter distance when you do have

[2:05:40] to cross Aurora Avenue especially the

[2:05:42] fact that we do have the schools

[2:05:45] there yeah on this project um is there

[2:05:48] any way to know how the majority of the

[2:05:51] public kind of feels about it because

[2:05:52] you get the people coming to these

[2:05:53] meetings voicing an opinion one way or

[2:05:55] the other and those are a small segment

[2:05:58] but have have we really taken a look to

[2:06:00] see if you know the general population

[2:06:02] is in support of this we haven't done a

[2:06:05] Citywide poll or anything like that

[2:06:08] other than again we did have a lot of

[2:06:11] public involvement when we did the

[2:06:12] complete streets master plan which was part you know this was part of

[2:06:18] it I think that in my time on the

[2:06:21] Council this is the project that we've

[2:06:24] probably invested the most in terms of

[2:06:27] getting uh soliciting public comment um

[2:06:31] because

[2:06:33] um I think you know the complete streets

[2:06:36] uh master plan existed prior to any of

[2:06:41] the five of us serving on the council

[2:06:43] although Pat did serve as the citizen as

[2:06:46] a citizen on the committee and so we've

[2:06:48] had a lot to learn um about that plan

[2:06:52] and then you know I think we've pushed

[2:06:56] this back I mean pushed this back

[2:06:58] already a year or two in order to get

[2:07:02] more public comment and we had two very

[2:07:06] well attended public meetings that we

[2:07:08] did a I think an extensive public

[2:07:11] Outreach

[2:07:13] um was it a perfect Outreach um no but

[2:07:18] in short of going door too I don't know

[2:07:21] that we could

[2:07:23] do um better than what we've done I

[2:07:26] don't know that's my opinion um it's a sensitive subject I mean this is

[2:07:30] obviously sensitive sensitive people

[2:07:33] have viewpoints so my my personal

[2:07:36] opinion is that this is a street safety

[2:07:39] Improvement project and bike lanes are

[2:07:43] sidebar a sidebar part of it and we

[2:07:47] probably went out selling it as a by

[2:07:51] plane project and that got people riled

[2:07:55] up to so to speak and um but I think we have a

[2:08:00] safety um issues that we need to look at

[2:08:03] on Aurora and going to a three lane

[2:08:05] roadway is going to

[2:08:07] address those safety issues so I don't I

[2:08:12] don't know I mean I wish uh we maybe

[2:08:15] rolled this whole thing out differently

[2:08:17] five years ago I don't know um I do but

[2:08:20] you know when when the public you know when we

[2:08:23] were doing this stuff I mean I wasn't

[2:08:25] even on the council but when the

[2:08:26] complete streets plan I mean if you

[2:08:28] lived in these neighborhoods you'd have

[2:08:30] no idea really that this was going to be

[2:08:32] relevant to you to go to the meeting to

[2:08:35] give your input so I think we've

[2:08:39] retroactively um made an effort to go

[2:08:42] into these neighborhoods and going

[2:08:44] forward when we do different projects

[2:08:47] related to complete streets we're going

[2:08:48] to do a much more intensive

[2:08:51] job of communicating what we're doing I

[2:08:54] don't know if that answered your

[2:08:55] question but this is something that

[2:08:58] I've invested a lot of mental energy on

[2:09:02] how to do this right and I mean I think

[2:09:05] we've done the best that we can do and

[2:09:08] we'll see how this moves forward um you

[2:09:12] know just this weekend there was a lot

[2:09:14] of people talking on Facebook about it

[2:09:17] so um we'll see we'll see what happens

[2:09:21] we get a few people at the next meeting

[2:09:23] then on this yeah we could yeah and that

[2:09:26] would be fine it would be great to get

[2:09:29] uh additional comments but um I do think

[2:09:31] there's been a little bit confusion

[2:09:33] about this project on the part of the

[2:09:35] public and with all du respect I just

[2:09:36] don't think this name is really the

[2:09:38] right name for this project this is a

[2:09:40] complete streets or road diet um it is

[2:09:43] really a safety driven and that's one of

[2:09:46] the aspects of complete streets uh is to

[2:09:48] improve safety for pedestrians as well

[2:09:51] for cyclists and I think there was a lot

[2:09:54] of confusion about who these bike lanes

[2:09:56] were for I think people had the

[2:09:58] impression that we were uh proposing

[2:10:01] these bike Lanes to be used by children

[2:10:04] and that there might be some limitation

[2:10:05] placed on the sidewalks for their use by

[2:10:08] children with bikes and none of that is

[2:10:11] the fact and so I'm hoping that if we do

[2:10:14] get an opportunity we can clarify some

[2:10:17] of that a little better and perhaps

[2:10:19] reflect some of the safety data that's

[2:10:20] out there these are not big experiments

[2:10:23] these have been done all over the

[2:10:24] country they've been highly successful

[2:10:26] uh and their safety record is pretty

[2:10:28] solid but we have not really presented

[2:10:30] data yet on that and that might be a

[2:10:33] helpful thing for us to do too so I

[2:10:34] believe that staff is trying to put

[2:10:36] together a hand out that will help

[2:10:38] clarify some of those things that I

[2:10:40] think got a little bit confused in the

[2:10:42] public uh meeting which can happen you

[2:10:44] know people have different perceptions

[2:10:46] about uh what these are and what they

[2:10:49] mean so I'm hopeful that the the summary

[2:10:52] bullets around the safety piece and the

[2:10:54] data that is out there can be compiled

[2:10:57] in a way that'll be meaningful to people

[2:10:59] and I think the other thing that just I

[2:11:02] think it's on the same page with what

[2:11:04] everything you've just said is the

[2:11:05] importance of community input regardless

[2:11:08] yes and that if there is a widespread

[2:11:11] Community dis agreement with a project

[2:11:14] going

[2:11:15] forward allowing the citizens to

[2:11:18] vocalize that to listen to what they say

[2:11:21] and not just do it from a hey we check

[2:11:24] that box um if we're going to ask for

[2:11:26] Community input it's something that we

[2:11:27] need to make sure that we're taking into

[2:11:29] account um as uh you know people on this

[2:11:33] committee city council whoever you are

[2:11:35] in government you know we're we we've

[2:11:37] got to be able to do that and it can't

[2:11:40] be presented in a way that's like hey we

[2:11:43] know better than you do even though

[2:11:44] you're really mad right now that's going

[2:11:46] to help you cool down yeah um that's not

[2:11:49] going to work and so I just think

[2:11:51] this my first year on this committee

[2:11:54] four years ago um and then the second

[2:11:56] three years ago this mentioned this to

[2:11:59] some people and fireworks like people I

[2:12:02] had no idea would be so passionate about

[2:12:05] a street and a bike lane and you're

[2:12:06] right it was presented as bike Lanes

[2:12:08] that's what this was sold at including

[2:12:11] another section of of cheros um on 70th

[2:12:15] and so I just think it's my big thing is

[2:12:19] safety my big thing is bike right away

[2:12:21] Auto right of way making sure everybody

[2:12:22] knows what they're supposed to do when

[2:12:24] they're supposed to do it because

[2:12:25] generally people don't and or they think

[2:12:28] they do or they ignore it and so we just

[2:12:31] have to be mindful of all those things

[2:12:33] and if if we're asking for input we have

[2:12:34] to make sure that we actually really are

[2:12:36] taking it to heart we've taken these

[2:12:38] extra steps as we've said for two years

[2:12:41] to do that that shouldn't be in vain

[2:12:44] either yeah and to build off a point you

[2:12:47] were making um we've discussed at the

[2:12:49] council level already the the importance

[2:12:51] of public education around this because

[2:12:54] some of the discomfort is people who

[2:12:56] have driven this road for a long time

[2:12:58] they don't see cyclists on there because

[2:13:00] there are not those bike lanes and so

[2:13:03] they're uncomfortable and concerned

[2:13:06] about their ability to drive through

[2:13:08] that area if cyclists are present that's

[2:13:11] a public education piece uh that can be

[2:13:15] um we can be helpful there by pulling

[2:13:17] together materials that help people

[2:13:19] understand how to make their returns and

[2:13:21] how to do that driving with that so

[2:13:24] there's aspects to this that we that go

[2:13:26] beyond the actual engineering piece of

[2:13:29] this that we need to get our arms

[2:13:30] wrapped around Robin I think your point

[2:13:33] about just being intentional about our getting public input and and taking

[2:13:39] it to heart and not just checking the

[2:13:42] box I mean that is is a real priority of

[2:13:45] the council as we've laid out in our

[2:13:47] strategic plan um that we finished this

[2:13:51] year um you know just

[2:13:54] communication uh in every possible way

[2:13:57] with the community within the council

[2:13:59] within the city uh staff and just doing

[2:14:03] a better job and you know this is a

[2:14:05] prime example of where we can you know

[2:14:08] could have done a better job to start

[2:14:10] with but we are getting better as we

[2:14:14] move forward with this and um you know

[2:14:17] the next complete streets project that

[2:14:20] comes to us will have learned some

[2:14:23] valuable lessons um to um gain public

[2:14:28] input and I I appreciate all those

[2:14:30] comments and what we could have done

[2:14:31] differently in hindsight so this will

[2:14:33] hopefully be the only one that is

[2:14:35] experiencing this right so for me I

[2:14:38] guess I'm just a little torn of you know

[2:14:40] pushing for the approval of something if

[2:14:42] not knowing is it overwhelmingly you

[2:14:44] know in support of or not in support of

[2:14:47] by everyone that's going to be using it

[2:14:49] I I think it makes sense is this

[2:14:51] happening before the 70th Street project

[2:14:54] they're together they're together okay

[2:14:58] because again this one here is a little

[2:14:59] more involved in there's we'll Mill off

[2:15:01] the asphalt surface and then put down a

[2:15:03] new asphalt surface so the Paya markings

[2:15:05] are clean not all scarred up the

[2:15:07] pavement versus on 70th is being done

[2:15:10] this concrete road will be done with

[2:15:11] just pavement markings yeah because I

[2:15:13] know that's all kind of linking back to

[2:15:15] where we're doing all the work from

[2:15:16] Urbandale drive on around there so and

[2:15:18] linking that that system correct correct

[2:15:21] yep we recently we'll get to the 70th am

[2:15:23] minute but had down here on Urbandale

[2:15:24] Avenue so we got the trail Connection in

[2:15:28] here and just real quickly uh toward the

[2:15:32] U point of trying to make sure that

[2:15:34] we're not just taking this public input

[2:15:36] to check a box um engineering went back

[2:15:39] and did some additional look at the 72nd

[2:15:42] and Aurora or 70th and Aurora

[2:15:45] intersection uh based on commentary and

[2:15:48] are still looking at 75th in Aurora so

[2:15:51] kind of reviewing uh some of the

[2:15:52] comments that we heard based on some

[2:15:54] concerns uh to make sure that the design

[2:15:57] work is really where it needs to be to

[2:16:00] the best of our ability to know yeah I

[2:16:02] think the fact that this is happening

[2:16:04] right by that main thoroughfare with all

[2:16:06] the schools is kind of the contentious

[2:16:08] point right right well and I was talking

[2:16:11] to Curtis about this today I mean if you

[2:16:13] drive down Ashworth in West de Mo in the

[2:16:17] you know just beginning parts from east

[2:16:21] to west and West to Mo you know they've

[2:16:23] just completed I don't know I don't know

[2:16:24] if there's bike Lanes I don't know but

[2:16:26] they've you know gone from four lanes to

[2:16:28] three lanes and it's just like a sigh of

[2:16:32] relief driving down that road um so I'm

[2:16:35] looking I mean looking forward to

[2:16:38] getting that um for everyone hopefully

[2:16:42] we'll get there um with this project but

[2:16:45] I mean I've gone back and forth as the

[2:16:48] council can attest on whether or not I

[2:16:50] want to do this project project and I've

[2:16:51] definitely come around to I think for

[2:16:55] safety purposes for pedestrians for our

[2:16:58] new drivers for all of our drivers we

[2:17:01] need to do this project so if it's if

[2:17:03] it's for safety purposes like the the program title is on street bike

[2:17:08] Lanes the description the first line is

[2:17:11] you will add bike Lanes there's there's

[2:17:13] nothing in the justification that says

[2:17:14] anything about safety exactly this is a

[2:17:17] mmark in terms of how this has been

[2:17:19] written up in the CIP I believe

[2:17:21] I that would be when we get to making a

[2:17:23] motion I'd like to make a motion related

[2:17:25] to that that sounds like a really good

[2:17:27] plan

[2:17:29] okay are there any other more I me we

[2:17:32] can come back to this it sounds like

[2:17:33] we'll have a Amendment um anything else

[2:17:36] related to this project or we can move

[2:17:38] on to another section of Aurora no I

[2:17:41] agree with the both of you because even

[2:17:42] when we talked about this project last

[2:17:44] year it was more about bike lanes and

[2:17:45] safety

[2:17:49] so next one is page 67 which is an oute

[2:17:53] for Roar

[2:17:57] Avenue so page 68 is our community

[2:18:01] entrance sign just a little update so

[2:18:03] 2023 just recently completed we have one

[2:18:06] up at Northwest Urbandale drive by the

[2:18:08] interstate up by north of

[2:18:11] Target um and then we did one at 154th

[2:18:16] kind of tell everybody as they're coming

[2:18:17] out of Johnson or Grimes into Urbandale

[2:18:19] that you're in Urbandale

[2:18:21] and then the southwest corner of the 86

[2:18:23] Street interchange we just get finished

[2:18:26] up our signed there then we have under

[2:18:28] construction our current project is

[2:18:30] we're up on our North Corporate limits

[2:18:31] at 128 street so up where the new new

[2:18:34] warehouses were built up on the Grimes

[2:18:36] border we got a sign there and then on

[2:18:39] 104th in Hickman by CarMax we also have

[2:18:42] a sign sign there letting you know that

[2:18:44] you're on Hickman coming into Urbandale

[2:18:47] and we'll just we're looking to continue

[2:18:48] to keep keep adding adding those signs

[2:18:53] here page 69 is is a maintenance or

[2:18:57] preservation we call it so we are

[2:18:59] looking looking at doing patching on

[2:19:02] Douglas Avenue and Douglas Parkway on

[2:19:04] both sides of the interchange from1

[2:19:07] Street out to 121st

[2:19:11] Street John how is that um gonna tie

[2:19:16] up traffic we still will do it one lane

[2:19:20] at a time okay because I'm thinking

[2:19:22] about Hickman and people oh that correct

[2:19:26] I've been again based on all the

[2:19:27] information I have on the schedule for

[2:19:30] how Hickman's going I've been working

[2:19:32] these projects all around that so that

[2:19:34] it's not not happening while it's a

[2:19:37] detour or anything like that it's like

[2:19:39] I'll probably get burned and things will

[2:19:41] run slow or long and then it it'll

[2:19:43] they'll overlap but my my goal right now

[2:19:45] is I've been looking at all that and

[2:19:46] trying to kind of pace that all together

[2:19:53] um so the 70th Street Redevelopment or

[2:19:56] guess page 70 Douglas Avenue um

[2:19:59] basically this one we've hired a

[2:20:01] consultant to kind of help us figure out

[2:20:03] what what the downtown master plan

[2:20:05] should look like and any improvements

[2:20:07] with Douglas or the surrounding

[2:20:08] neighborhood we're looking at it's

[2:20:10] probably got six to eight months left to

[2:20:13] complete that process so that next year

[2:20:15] we'll be able to come back with very

[2:20:17] specific projects to add into the CIP

[2:20:20] related to kind of revitalizing um the

[2:20:22] downtown area that's one of the main

[2:20:25] goals we've stressed to that consultant

[2:20:27] is we need tangible projects that we can

[2:20:29] start doing to make improvements down

[2:20:32] there so more to come but nothing really to share right now other

[2:20:37] than there's been a lot of public

[2:20:38] meetings with the downtown groups and

[2:20:40] there'll be plenty more public meetings

[2:20:42] for people to provide input and we I

[2:20:44] guess we just completed a survey a

[2:20:47] Citywide survey as well for input

[2:20:55] 7 page 71 is the Douglas Avenue

[2:20:58] urbanization so I was just talking about

[2:21:01] that a little bit so our last of the

[2:21:04] physically urbanizing I the streets is

[2:21:07] being worked on now hopefully completed

[2:21:09] in the spring that's from 86 Street that

[2:21:12] came down into the elm Elm Drive area

[2:21:14] they've completed most of the outside

[2:21:16] they just have a little bit more curb

[2:21:18] and gutter in the filling of the medians

[2:21:20] to do in the spring and then of course

[2:21:22] we still have the Reconstruction of a

[2:21:23] portion of 82nd street but are coming up

[2:21:26] next phase which is in in

[2:21:31] 26 um we recently were at the creek out

[2:21:35] towards 100 Street we did some tree

[2:21:36] plantings and beautification in this

[2:21:38] area in the past we had done it out at

[2:21:41] the Douglas interchange so our next

[2:21:42] piece in 26 is to tie those two pieces

[2:21:45] together um this one will be a little

[2:21:47] different than the others in the sense

[2:21:49] that we'll have a lot more um

[2:21:51] involvement and Outreach with the

[2:21:52] businesses we knew that when we were

[2:21:54] doing the original business or you know

[2:21:56] the original plan to come come figure it

[2:21:59] out they just had concerns about trees

[2:22:01] size of trees in front of their

[2:22:02] businesses and things so we will involve

[2:22:04] the businesses again to come up with our plan through here so our next

[2:22:09] step will be to hire a consultant to

[2:22:10] start that

[2:22:15] process so page 72 it's one that you

[2:22:19] just mentioned about coordinating with

[2:22:21] detours um we're looking to replace the

[2:22:24] railroad crossing on Douglas just west

[2:22:26] of 100 Street based on all the detour

[2:22:29] that are going on and conversations that

[2:22:31] we've had had with the the dot and their

[2:22:33] Consulting it looks like the spring of

[2:22:35] 2027 is our one window to do this

[2:22:38] project or wait another two three years

[2:22:41] or a couple years to get to it so this

[2:22:43] should work with their their timing um

[2:22:46] so you've already been in conversation

[2:22:47] with the railroad then correct and the

[2:22:50] good part about this is this is one

[2:22:52] where it goes through the do but it's a

[2:22:54] grant process so the do pays 60% the

[2:22:57] railroad pays 20% and we pay

[2:22:59] 20% so again yep we've had conversations

[2:23:03] on trying to work through scheduling and

[2:23:05] everything but we have officially obtain

[2:23:06] the grant which has the railroad on the

[2:23:09] hook the way it typically works is um

[2:23:12] they'll remove the tracks we'll do some

[2:23:13] asphalt work underneath and the railroad

[2:23:15] comes in and puts the tracks back and

[2:23:17] then we do the the transition next to

[2:23:19] the track so it's a joint joint effort

[2:23:21] with the

[2:23:23] railroad quick question for you um with

[2:23:25] the Douglas Avenue modification say it's

[2:23:29] ending at Elm right now what happens

[2:23:31] east of elm or is that kind of part of

[2:23:33] the that's that's already has the curban

[2:23:36] gutter it's not a rural section anymore

[2:23:38] so we've done we've basically when we

[2:23:40] call it the urbanization we're removing

[2:23:42] the rural cross-section of it where it

[2:23:43] has the ditches and no storms through we

[2:23:45] we're filling in those ditches adding

[2:23:47] curb and gutter and and the intakes and

[2:23:49] things so that's that's what we're

[2:23:50] really doing is taking away that rural feel and making it more urban

[2:23:55] as it's in town so basically as we get

[2:23:57] down to Elm it was already curved the

[2:24:00] rest of the way

[2:24:01] East and I guess we've been working on

[2:24:03] this you know from the interstate in

[2:24:05] over the last probably 10 years or so

[2:24:08] yeah we were just talking about the the

[2:24:09] downtown Redevelopment right so that's

[2:24:11] kind of the entrance in and I just

[2:24:13] didn't know if there was anything kind

[2:24:14] of planned for that last stretch to oh

[2:24:17] that that's to be determined that's part

[2:24:18] of the study is it does the lane

[2:24:21] configurations change do the sidewalks

[2:24:23] how how is it going to function what

[2:24:25] kind of amenities can be added so y

[2:24:27] That's all still still being worked on

[2:24:29] so that's kind of contingent on the

[2:24:30] master plan taking place correct

[2:24:36] yes um on page 73 this is another

[2:24:39] maintenance project on Douglas Parkway

[2:24:42] from 128 Street back West to the creek

[2:24:46] um we are fortunate enough we received

[2:24:48] 500,000 in the surface transportation

[2:24:50] block grant funding for this project

[2:24:53] which we do have planned in

[2:24:59] 27 one I'd mentioned before it's a new

[2:25:02] in the CIP on page 74 but it's the

[2:25:05] Reconstruction of the Hickman frontage

[2:25:07] road so again we're just west of our

[2:25:10] parks and Public Works um this this

[2:25:12] Frontage Road's in rough shape so we'll

[2:25:14] reconstruct that which will allow us to

[2:25:16] use that um the continue connection of

[2:25:19] the trails along with with uh improving

[2:25:21] the sidewalk connection

[2:25:24] here so that's planned in

[2:25:30] 2028 page 75 is the Hickman interchange

[2:25:35] I'll go in a little more detail that in

[2:25:36] a minute just wanted to point out you'll

[2:25:39] see there the uh the sheet itself

[2:25:42] probably has a lot different format than

[2:25:44] last year um kind of one of those things

[2:25:47] it kind of gets misnomer or you know

[2:25:48] like when the no is doing stuff they see

[2:25:50] our total amount of 100 million we

[2:25:52] changed this up to make sure it was

[2:25:53] clear we don't have 100 million the dot

[2:25:56] has like 85 million of this project so

[2:25:58] it doesn't look like when they started

[2:26:00] doing comparisons of each City and their

[2:26:02] cips and how much they're doing and you

[2:26:04] know Walky did it like us you got walk

[2:26:06] and Urbandale with you know several

[2:26:08] hundred million going on and then you

[2:26:10] got West de you know with with you know

[2:26:13] 50 million it just kind of skews it so

[2:26:15] we we reconfigured the page that if if

[2:26:18] we are not the lead on the project we are just really putting our numbers that are our costs up into

[2:26:25] the CIP so again but then later down in

[2:26:28] the in the text is where we break it

[2:26:30] down to you know the do is 85 million

[2:26:32] Clive has 4 million and we have four

[2:26:34] million plus the grants we've received

[2:26:36] so just to maybe make it a little bit

[2:26:38] more of a truer document on what are the

[2:26:41] city's costs and projects we are doing

[2:26:44] why are our numbers in

[2:26:46] 27 um basically we have them in 27

[2:26:50] because on the schedule the do is doing

[2:26:53] work on the interstate in 25 and 26 the

[2:26:56] Hickman Road stuff which includes our

[2:26:57] amenities happen in 27 we also currently

[2:27:00] have an in 27 um there is maybe chance

[2:27:03] to delay some payments with the dot but

[2:27:05] again we just have to get to that point

[2:27:08] first so what I've got here just want to

[2:27:11] run through what is happening at the

[2:27:13] interchange being that

[2:27:15] uh this is probably the most exciting

[2:27:18] project I guess we have in here the most

[2:27:21] impactful your excitement level kind of

[2:27:23] depends I guess on what what things you

[2:27:25] like here but so just just looking at it

[2:27:28] here so we've got the interstate running

[2:27:31] north south here um so this is Hickman

[2:27:34] Road and again we're looking to make it

[2:27:35] a Divergent Diamond which will be

[2:27:37] similar to there's one in W one in anony

[2:27:40] what makes these these kind of

[2:27:41] interchanges unique is normally if

[2:27:44] you're going eastbound you'd continue

[2:27:46] East and you'd have to turn in front of

[2:27:47] traffic to go north but the Diamond

[2:27:50] you'll be from the south side you'll

[2:27:52] have a signalized intersection it'll

[2:27:54] take you to the north side of the road

[2:27:56] and then you can just take your left

[2:27:57] here without having to cross traffic if

[2:28:00] you're looking to continue East you'd

[2:28:01] come back through a signalized

[2:28:03] intersection and back on what you'd call

[2:28:05] the standard size of the road so this

[2:28:07] does improve safety greatly that you are

[2:28:08] not Crossing and turning in front of

[2:28:11] people you can also see that this this

[2:28:14] was a big thing for us is to get the

[2:28:15] trail system through the interchange um

[2:28:19] that's something that and Urbandale went

[2:28:21] together on was the trail the trail and

[2:28:24] then the different enhancements in at

[2:28:26] the interstate here so we're splitting

[2:28:28] those cost 5050 minus the grants that

[2:28:30] we've been able to obtain

[2:28:32] together so we've got a bridge that this

[2:28:36] is Lifetime Fitness up over here the

[2:28:38] bridge that'll come up and over for the

[2:28:40] Peds up and over the ramp you'll come

[2:28:42] down go through a box cul under the

[2:28:44] interstate come back around go up and

[2:28:47] over these ramps and then come back down

[2:28:49] in the TR Trail over towards the

[2:28:51] entrance to um over to liveing history

[2:28:54] farms um just kind of an overview too

[2:28:56] you can see some different plantings

[2:28:57] within within the medians so here's just

[2:29:00] another view so again we kind of my

[2:29:04] Lifetime Fitness looking out there's

[2:29:06] also going to be a Culver under Hickman

[2:29:09] Road so there'll be a connection that'll

[2:29:11] come along the ramp and and the truck

[2:29:13] stop that'll connect you down to the

[2:29:15] Clive green belt so it'll tie these two

[2:29:17] Trails together that way we'll have good connection here west of the

[2:29:22] interstate and we have a good connection

[2:29:23] on 100 Street is that trail falling into

[2:29:26] Clive's budget then we agreed to split

[2:29:30] everything because again otherwise they

[2:29:32] could say well this other one's on the

[2:29:33] north side of the interstate you pay for

[2:29:35] it all including the

[2:29:37] bridges I just didn't recall touching on

[2:29:40] that one maybe that was back in the the

[2:29:42] trail section be the link down to the

[2:29:44] green belt Trail oh that's all in this

[2:29:46] project okay it's all it's all being

[2:29:48] built with the do project um you'll also

[2:29:50] note so far you know we've gotten 2.5

[2:29:53] million in the STP another 800,000 in

[2:29:56] tap there's been some talk I think we'll

[2:29:58] probably get another 1.1 million in IAP

[2:30:01] and there's again some talk with could

[2:30:03] at almost almost 500,000 and some other

[2:30:06] dot funding so there's still some

[2:30:08] funding we're working on but we're all this is included we're just

[2:30:11] splitting everything 5050 on it so does

[2:30:14] the additional funding then reduce the

[2:30:17] reduce our the Clive and Urbandale

[2:30:19] portions red the 4 million we just again

[2:30:22] nothing's been officially awarded yet

[2:30:24] but I think things are looking good for

[2:30:26] us well this is exciting when is this

[2:30:28] picture reality again uh this will be

[2:30:30] occurrred in

[2:30:32] 2027 the Landscaping 28 29 it'll look

[2:30:35] like this maybe

[2:30:37] 30 want to temper everybody's

[2:30:38] expectations it takes a little time to

[2:30:40] get all this stuff to grow and look like

[2:30:42] the

[2:30:44] renderings that's a big deal so here's

[2:30:46] just another another look of you can

[2:30:48] kind of see for the first time going underneath the bridge and our

[2:30:52] plantings and here's kind of what it

[2:30:53] looks like from the street the street

[2:30:55] level so again we'll have some some

[2:30:57] plantings out here um we're looking at

[2:30:59] having some monuments in the

[2:31:01] median and then we'll also have some

[2:31:03] under the bridge that kind of serve two

[2:31:05] purposes here you know they're

[2:31:07] decorative and at the same time they

[2:31:08] also help block the headlights between

[2:31:10] the two different different sides of the

[2:31:12] road it's a really great idea and then

[2:31:15] here again just showing a little closeup

[2:31:18] of the bridge that crosses from left on

[2:31:20] Fitness heading heading over the the

[2:31:22] exit

[2:31:23] ramps and then just showing what it'll

[2:31:25] look like as you go into the box culber

[2:31:28] underneath the

[2:31:33] interstate what I love is the way that's

[2:31:35] going to connect eastern and western

[2:31:38] Urban dale uh as well as with Clive yep

[2:31:41] again it really does make some nice

[2:31:43] connections

[2:31:50] page

[2:31:52] 76 again is another maintenance project

[2:31:55] on Justin drive so in 2025 we're looking

[2:31:59] at a patch and overlay project on the

[2:32:01] 109th Justin over to 100 Street in this

[2:32:04] little piece of Justin then coming back

[2:32:06] the next year in 2026 and just do

[2:32:09] patching on 100 Street Dennis and the

[2:32:11] frontage road just reference again

[2:32:13] here's where we talked about the

[2:32:14] property we bought that could

[2:32:16] potentially be the location for the

[2:32:17] police station here

[2:32:22] so page 77 is medians art and

[2:32:26] Landscaping this prominantly the parks

[2:32:29] department working on this I won't make

[2:32:31] Jan come up here for it basically last

[2:32:34] year we did plantings on merth Drive in

[2:32:37] the medians between 86 Street out to

[2:32:39] 156th Street now in the in the 2025

[2:32:42] we're planning on this stretch of 156

[2:32:45] street from Douglas North up to

[2:32:47] Waterford road so again planting some

[2:32:49] more more trees trees in our wider

[2:32:52] mediums so just curious why don't we bid

[2:32:55] that out when we actually construct the the roadway in the

[2:32:58] medians have that part of the project we

[2:33:01] could just usually again we like to try

[2:33:04] to get the grass to grow first and as I

[2:33:06] said it usually takes a couple years

[2:33:07] three years to get the grass growing and

[2:33:10] then come back and try to plant in trees

[2:33:13] feels like you could pretty cost

[2:33:14] effective where the contractors a to

[2:33:15] plant some trees rather they there I say

[2:33:17] the other part is we weren't planting

[2:33:18] trees in medians up last year no I I

[2:33:21] love it too I I do I live out that way

[2:33:23] and the more trees in the medians I love

[2:33:24] it so it's uh this has been one of my uh

[2:33:27] my projects great is to see we have

[2:33:31] these incredibly wide uh

[2:33:34] medians um especially out west and

[2:33:38] there's nothing but grass in them and

[2:33:40] it's there's not a clearer sign on 156th

[2:33:43] Street from when you go from Urbandale

[2:33:45] to Clive you know where that line is you

[2:33:47] know where that line is without any

[2:33:49] signs because they have stuff in the

[2:33:51] medians and we don't it's good to see

[2:33:54] this I think the other thing that it

[2:33:55] helps us doing it after the fact is you

[2:33:58] have a roadway guy as your prime

[2:33:59] contractor he's just looking for any sub

[2:34:01] that'll do trees really cheap versus

[2:34:03] bidding them on their own then you're

[2:34:05] just getting a tree guy that's his own

[2:34:07] prime contractor dealing with it I think

[2:34:08] we probably have a little better luck on

[2:34:10] it that way yeah yeah I could argue both

[2:34:13] ways but I understand

[2:34:20] page

[2:34:21] 78 is our marath Drive preservation

[2:34:24] project I had mentioned from 86 Street

[2:34:26] out to 104 so this one will be a patch

[2:34:29] and overlay project very similar to what

[2:34:32] we did this year from 104th out to the

[2:34:35] interstate um we're also including a 10-

[2:34:37] foot Trail on the North side and this is

[2:34:40] into the do for a January

[2:34:46] leting and then here this one's similar

[2:34:49] to to the Douglas railroad improvements

[2:34:51] only on marath drive so what we did is

[2:34:54] we did our patching and overlay to tie

[2:34:56] in kind of smoothed it out somewhat it's

[2:34:58] still a little rougher than we'd like so

[2:34:59] we're going to actually replace the

[2:35:01] crossing this will be done the same time

[2:35:03] as the Douglas one so that makes it be

[2:35:05] the spring of

[2:35:06] 2027 did the grant we got a grant for

[2:35:09] this one as well yep yep and that's

[2:35:12] where it's the most cost effective for

[2:35:13] us is have the you pay for the railroad

[2:35:15] to come in stay and all their time you

[2:35:17] might as well have them do two at the

[2:35:19] same time and save a little bit there

[2:35:21] could you quickly educate us just on the

[2:35:23] patch and overlay these These are big

[2:35:25] dollars right for some of these projects

[2:35:27] and um you know I drive some of these

[2:35:30] streets every day and they don't seem

[2:35:31] terrible to me but I'm sure there's a

[2:35:33] lot that I don't understand about that

[2:35:35] um could you kind of help us understand

[2:35:37] kind of the what the patch and overlay

[2:35:38] does sure so basically one we have areas

[2:35:42] where panels are cracked up so again as

[2:35:45] they when they crack up they start to

[2:35:47] move so different times of the year

[2:35:48] they're rougher than other times this

[2:35:50] also causes the joints to fail um so

[2:35:53] basically by doing the patching you you

[2:35:56] kind of get the new concrete you overlay

[2:35:58] it you seal everything up that also cuts

[2:36:00] down on the amount of time like our

[2:36:01] Public Works Crews have to be out there

[2:36:03] filling potholes because again those

[2:36:05] last for a little while and then they

[2:36:06] come out and we're back filling the

[2:36:08] potholes again so again

[2:36:11] basically you get to a certain age of a

[2:36:13] street where like on this project most

[2:36:15] of our patching is on the inside

[2:36:17] original Lanes it was 20 12 we did the

[2:36:20] widening of the roadway so there's not a

[2:36:22] lot of repairs that need there but the

[2:36:24] other patches you know they've been been

[2:36:26] there since you know the roadway has

[2:36:28] been there since the 80s I believe on

[2:36:29] this one so just over time you want to

[2:36:32] do do the patching in your preventative

[2:36:34] maintenance so you don't have to

[2:36:35] reconstruct the entire road which we'll

[2:36:37] talk about another road that's a total

[2:36:39] reconstruct just because it's it's got

[2:36:42] past the point of being able to do your

[2:36:44] continuing maintenance so how long does

[2:36:46] the patch and overlay kind of extend the

[2:36:48] useful life most of what we've done we

[2:36:51] can see you know 20 years out of our out

[2:36:53] of our overlays and that could get to

[2:36:55] the point you know you might have to do

[2:36:58] some minor repair sometimes you'll get

[2:36:59] some heave still underneath there that

[2:37:01] we can fix up but again you don't have

[2:37:03] to do do anything on the others for

[2:37:06] instance rosand that we're getting ready

[2:37:08] to reconstruct that overlay has been on

[2:37:10] that road for about 20 years and they did did not do a ton of

[2:37:14] extensive patching before that it's

[2:37:16] still held

[2:37:18] together so it's one of those again

[2:37:21] we're just trying to stay ahead of

[2:37:23] having to reconstruct and keep keep the

[2:37:25] roads roads

[2:37:35] passable 80 so um on page 80 this is a

[2:37:38] reconstruction of marath Drive between

[2:37:41] 170th and and V Avenue or 184 Street

[2:37:46] this one here was in 28 I've moved it to

[2:37:49] 30 the oute based on Clive's current

[2:37:53] schedule they're working with Walky to

[2:37:55] what they call Alice's Road our 170th to

[2:37:58] do their reconstructions all the way up

[2:38:00] to Meredith and they've got their

[2:38:01] funding booked up to that point so it's

[2:38:04] going to be difficult to have them

[2:38:06] contribute because the South half of the

[2:38:08] road they have half of the cost of the

[2:38:10] road so I put it to where I hate to do

[2:38:12] it but I put it where I think it's most

[2:38:13] realistic if it got to be a point where

[2:38:16] something had to be done sooner we'd

[2:38:17] have to get in conversations with cl on

[2:38:20] how how that would occur but again just

[2:38:22] wanted to be able to free up money and

[2:38:24] help things balance if I didn't think it

[2:38:26] was going to happen in that in that

[2:38:33] year page 81 is patching on North Park

[2:38:37] Drive between 86 Street and 100 and also

[2:38:41] patching on Plum Drive between 86 Street

[2:38:43] around the curve to Northwest Urbandale

[2:38:48] Drive how old is it Plum Drive see very

[2:38:51] many years ago we put that in um we've

[2:38:54] got the piece over here I think was

[2:38:57] 07 I remember right and I think I think

[2:39:00] this piece was 12 and on these that's

[2:39:03] why you can also see there's not it's a

[2:39:05] little under 600,000 it's not a lot of

[2:39:07] money in here part of that is also to

[2:39:10] deal with the brick work that's out

[2:39:12] there that's something that does take

[2:39:14] more maintenance than your standard your

[2:39:16] standard patches we have done some

[2:39:18] previous brick work repairs as

[2:39:21] well there's a lot of development that

[2:39:23] could potentially happen on some of

[2:39:25] these segments

[2:39:27] um would there be a chance that the

[2:39:30] construction could ruin any of this work

[2:39:32] it it shouldn't these are materials that

[2:39:35] we build we build to a higher standard

[2:39:37] so these are the eight eight and a

[2:39:38] quarter fully reinforced

[2:39:40] Pavements so again we just over time you

[2:39:43] do have some where again some panels

[2:39:45] start to crack start having some issues

[2:39:46] we just like stay on top of it fix them

[2:39:49] and then again keep the road lasting

[2:39:51] longer yeah I've seen the failed brick

[2:39:53] work there on on Plum I just didn't know

[2:39:55] with you know all the trucks and

[2:39:56] Equipment they could be running in and

[2:39:58] out of there if we did something I

[2:39:59] wouldn't want to ruin it again right

[2:40:01] away no no we have more of that issue

[2:40:04] what we call our temporary roads out

[2:40:06] west we might do the asphalt typically

[2:40:08] you know they work great for the

[2:40:09] passenger vehicles the subdivision

[2:40:11] happens the concrete trucks start coming

[2:40:13] in Daily then we start getting rotting

[2:40:15] and issues but the pavement out here

[2:40:17] it's intended for those heavier loads

[2:40:26] and then on page

[2:40:28] 82 um this is a patch and overlay of

[2:40:31] Northwest urbanville Drive between

[2:40:33] Douglas and Meredith Drive this is kind

[2:40:36] of our last section on this the

[2:40:38] stretcher road we previously um did the

[2:40:41] overlay on Northwest derill drive up to

[2:40:43] the ramps then it becomes do from up to

[2:40:45] there they've done their overlay we'll

[2:40:48] catch this mile section

[2:40:49] and previously we did a patch and

[2:40:52] overlay I believe was back at 08 from Hickman Road up to Douglas

[2:41:01] Avenue this one here on page

[2:41:05] 83 also has a little bit different

[2:41:07] format because again Grimes will be the

[2:41:09] lead on this project a little

[2:41:11] background um Urban dale was the lead

[2:41:14] when we constructed 100 Street and this

[2:41:17] first first part of 54 Street so now

[2:41:20] Grimes will be the lead we have roughly

[2:41:22] a th000 feet left where they've got a

[2:41:25] little bit longer distance over here so

[2:41:27] we've got this project to kind of finish

[2:41:29] up our part in Urbandale U we went

[2:41:32] together on a joint application and

[2:41:34] we're able to come up with 500,000 in in

[2:41:36] federal funding to help with the project

[2:41:38] as well so again we anticipate uh Grimes

[2:41:41] will start start being the lead on this

[2:41:43] next

[2:41:47] year so here is is here is a reconstruct

[2:41:51] on page 84 it's Park viw Drive 86 Street

[2:41:54] to to

[2:41:56] Alpine um this is one that's been

[2:41:59] patched before a lot of my understanding

[2:42:01] from past history is there's just a lot

[2:42:03] of settlement at the different service

[2:42:05] trenches along here um recently we did

[2:42:08] patching in these neighborhoods to the

[2:42:09] north and to the South we started

[2:42:11] costing out what it was going to take to do the patches through here is more

[2:42:16] economical to do a full reconstruction

[2:42:19] so we left out the patches on Park View

[2:42:22] so that we could add the CIP page and

[2:42:24] make it a total

[2:42:27] reconstruction see I want to make a

[2:42:29] comment here on this I live in the

[2:42:32] neighborhood there walk with streets and

[2:42:34] sidewalks all the

[2:42:36] time and I think maybe I'm going to

[2:42:40] suggest we use little different

[2:42:42] criteria for our repairs and we have in

[2:42:45] the past at least appears to

[2:42:47] be looks to me like we're when we do

[2:42:50] these repairs like you said on the side

[2:42:52] streets and one other

[2:42:55] we we do it camera perfect it's like it

[2:42:58] was new

[2:43:01] well what trickly Galls me a little bit

[2:43:04] is we even in the last year we you tore

[2:43:08] up and repaved culde saacs all right my

[2:43:11] point being that I think the criteria

[2:43:13] ought to

[2:43:14] be okay how much traffic do it

[2:43:17] carry and how fast is it

[2:43:21] going rather than just camera ready now

[2:43:24] I know this stretch here we're talking

[2:43:26] about here it's

[2:43:28] lousy yeah probably should be replaced

[2:43:31] but it seems to me went overboard in the

[2:43:34] adjacent neighborhood last year I work

[2:43:38] there I think probably not brought it to

[2:43:43] quite a high state of Maintenance but I

[2:43:45] guess again I'll leave that to the rest

[2:43:48] of the

[2:43:50] committee here how nice do they want it

[2:43:53] I'll leave it that going tell you from

[2:43:55] staff's point of view the way we look at

[2:43:57] it is we try to come into a neighborhood

[2:44:00] and fix everything up so that we're not

[2:44:02] back for quite some time I don't

[2:44:04] disagree there's less traffic on the

[2:44:05] culde saxs but we look at if we're going

[2:44:07] to be disrupt in the neighborhood we

[2:44:09] like to hit an entire area at once and

[2:44:11] then keep keep moving

[2:44:14] along and this project is not going to come after anything happening

[2:44:18] on Aurora right we're not hitting these

[2:44:21] people at both sides at the same

[2:44:24] time the the Aurora project will

[2:44:27] probably only take a month maybe at the

[2:44:31] most I don't even know it'll take quite

[2:44:33] that long because the biggest thing is

[2:44:34] we just have to fit it in likely after

[2:44:36] Fourth of July activities and before

[2:44:38] school

[2:44:40] starts yeah I'm just thinking of people

[2:44:42] like on 82 you know if we had something

[2:44:44] on Aurora and something on parku at the

[2:44:46] same time that'd be difficult for them

[2:44:47] so right knowing though the the roadway

[2:44:50] is still open they'll they'll Mill it

[2:44:52] there'll be some impacts while they're

[2:44:53] Milling but then it's open back up

[2:44:55] traffic then they'll overlay

[2:45:02] it and this is 20 this here is happening

[2:45:05] in 2027 and the roro projects currently

[2:45:08] programmed for

[2:45:14] 2025 our next one on page 85 is an oute

[2:45:17] that' be the extension of

[2:45:21] Road page 86 is the one we talked about

[2:45:24] earlier is conver and 70th Street based

[2:45:28] on the complete streets plan for

[2:45:30] accommodating the

[2:45:35] bicycles page 87 that was the first time

[2:45:38] that's going to run all the way down to

[2:45:40] Hickman correct is there anything it's

[2:45:43] linking to on Hickman is there because I

[2:45:46] know we're talking about doing the

[2:45:47] trails on endale correct but we're

[2:45:49] running this all the way down to Hickman

[2:45:51] correct correct I don't think it has

[2:45:54] anything it definitely connects to now

[2:45:55] just like it does in that Meredith but

[2:45:57] you have to start someplace on on

[2:45:59] getting the projects and that that's

[2:46:01] what was planned in the complete streets

[2:46:03] program was you know to to have the

[2:46:05] sherrow and get the connection down to

[2:46:07] hman road which also gives you the

[2:46:09] connection down to the Urbandale Avenue

[2:46:11] as well

[2:46:20] on page

[2:46:21] 87 is a a patching project on Prairie

[2:46:25] Drive and 106 Street so just to the

[2:46:27] northeast of 109th and Douglas

[2:46:35] intersection page

[2:46:38] 88 is the Reconstruction of 109th 112th

[2:46:42] which is there an

[2:46:46] oute 11 Street Paving um south of

[2:46:49] Douglas south of Justin is also in an

[2:46:51] oute that'll be developer

[2:46:56] driven page 90 is a new one in the CIP

[2:47:01] this will be a maintenance project on

[2:47:03] 128 Street between Douglas down towards

[2:47:06] Hickman um this one is scheduled for

[2:47:08] 2028 and we recently received a million

[2:47:12] dollars in the surf service

[2:47:14] Transportation block grant funding

[2:47:22] page 91 is an

[2:47:26] oute page 92 is the Reconstruction of

[2:47:30] 142nd Street from just north of Meredith

[2:47:33] up to Waterford road we've got this

[2:47:35] scheduled for next year but right now

[2:47:37] we're still trying to work through some

[2:47:38] RightWay issues we're having and and

[2:47:41] working with the city of Grimes on their

[2:47:43] portion which is in this area here this

[2:47:46] down here is Urbandale and the west side

[2:47:48] urale so get working currently working

[2:47:51] on that project it's under

[2:47:54] design and then included with that is an

[2:47:57] overlay of the north half mile north of

[2:48:00] Waterford on 142nd Street which is a

[2:48:02] joint project with with Grimes do those

[2:48:05] streets see a whole lot of traffic or is

[2:48:07] this kind of be being done to Spur

[2:48:10] development of what's what's left there

[2:48:12] it's it's not really stir or trying to

[2:48:14] get development as much as just as you

[2:48:16] get more traffic it's easier to maintain

[2:48:19] than the gravel roads right now neither

[2:48:21] Grimes nor urale has that capability so

[2:48:24] we would have to more or less hire

[2:48:26] Dallas County to do that for

[2:48:28] us similar

[2:48:30] to you know trying to remember how long

[2:48:33] AG go ago it was but we did the same

[2:48:36] thing at an asphalt struction on 142nd

[2:48:38] Street that buys you quite a bit of time

[2:48:41] and then we also did that on on

[2:48:43] Waterford before we paved it Waterford

[2:48:47] kept getting delayed though and I think

[2:48:48] we went a couple couple years past a

[2:48:49] useful life of that overlay but a

[2:48:52] littleit but we eventually got that

[2:48:58] done um on page

[2:49:00] 94 um this is 156 Street Reconstruction

[2:49:04] from Waterford Road up to Meadow Drive

[2:49:07] this one's currently in 2028 in the CIP

[2:49:11] this one's really going to be

[2:49:12] development driven the reason for that

[2:49:14] is right here I guess in the mid mile is

[2:49:17] the break between thewa schools and the

[2:49:20] Dallas Center Grim schools so nothing's

[2:49:22] been proposed up here yet um there won't

[2:49:25] be a lot of traffic in this this stretch

[2:49:27] even with the school open and basically

[2:49:30] we want to be able to know where where

[2:49:32] our access points are going to be so you

[2:49:34] kind of have to have some developments

[2:49:35] you can lay out your intersections this

[2:49:37] one we go every 600 feet but it's going

[2:49:39] to be a little bit of a challenge just

[2:49:41] based on the drainage that's coming

[2:49:42] through here and figuring out once

[2:49:44] somebody lays it out where they want

[2:49:45] their streets and how it'll work for

[2:49:47] their neighborhoods

[2:49:53] page 95 isn't out

[2:49:55] year page page 96 is also now here so

[2:49:59] that is the end of streets um we are

[2:50:04] approaching the threeh hour mark of our

[2:50:07] meeting I'm not going to win any records

[2:50:09] hopefully former council member o is not

[2:50:12] watching um but uh I guess I want to ask

[2:50:17] if people want to power through I don't

[2:50:20] think you've got much time and I don't

[2:50:23] know how much discussion you think that

[2:50:25] we're going to need um I'm think we need

[2:50:28] a five minute break oh I

[2:50:30] could I would uh move that let's let's

[2:50:33] have a little break right now

[2:50:36] um yes uh come back in as soon as you

[2:50:40] can I guess

[2:51:15] streets the

[2:51:17] most there's a lot going

[2:51:56] able to make it I got stuck in my own

[2:52:02] driveway thought had sufficient time of

[2:52:05] this endless traffic both ways you know

[2:52:08] oh where do you come out 86 ft just

[2:52:11] north of glor D

[2:52:15] Church a lot of traffic time

[2:52:19] well I know that I thought i'

[2:52:22] planned sufficient time but as it turned

[2:52:24] out it

[2:52:26] didn't I'm always amazed

[2:52:29] sometimes I work in John

[2:52:32] and how are

[2:52:36] you thinking about my students that I'm

[2:52:39] G to meet with tomorrow

[2:52:41] and the what I got to you know by the

[2:52:45] school it's just a lot less stress take

[2:52:48] me a few minutes longer but man it's a

[2:52:51] lot an easier

[2:52:54] Drive never sit this ever

[2:52:59] right

[2:53:11] watchs well next meeting I'll allow more

[2:53:14] time I thought i' right

[2:53:21] I was here early because I thought I had

[2:53:23] a Mee library for this

[2:53:27] one not for two more weeks yeah so I was

[2:53:31] plenty early two too many

[2:53:35] meetings I enjoyed my

[2:53:38] car so in familiar territory

[2:53:47] know is

[2:53:55] too a

[2:53:57] chance my calendar was it said 5:30 I

[2:54:00] thought it was 5:45 but it said it was

[2:54:02] 5:30 so I rushed out the

[2:54:05] door the have you done it

[2:54:17] no so he's not back

[2:54:32] yet know I was out there and it was not

[2:54:38] so not so comfortable this morning with

[2:54:40] the

[2:54:44] beautiful wish I would have known before

[2:54:57] they were glad it was early verus like

[2:54:59] seven because it probably would scary

[2:55:02] but that's the same my

[2:55:06] hus car before we get out the driveway

[2:55:09] we' watch the weather at like midnight

[2:55:12] after 11 after the football

[2:55:15] game and they were like dusting yeah

[2:55:19] much more than that I was thinking like

[2:55:22] you might see it in the grass

[2:55:25] I off

[2:56:01] S I think

[2:56:05] uh ready to go wait yeah here's an easy

[2:56:10] page it's the street lights basically

[2:56:12] this just lists out street lights that

[2:56:14] get constructed with our with our main

[2:56:17] roadway projects

[2:56:19] no dollar amounts those dollar amounts

[2:56:20] are all all included with the roadway

[2:56:24] projects our last section is the traffic

[2:56:32] signals the first one is page

[2:56:35] 99 and what this is is an Adaptive

[2:56:38] traffic signal system on Douglas Avenue

[2:56:41] basically from 100th Street out to 121st

[2:56:44] Street and what adaptive we refer to

[2:56:47] that is um it's a little different than

[2:56:49] how our signals are time today basically

[2:56:52] you have a lot more detection and you

[2:56:53] have more less a computer looking at it sees how the traffic's flowing in

[2:56:58] each location and it can make slight

[2:56:59] adjustments as the traffic is Flowing um

[2:57:03] we are doing our very first project with

[2:57:05] that that's that's Standalone Urbandale

[2:57:08] on 100 Street up by the interstate so

[2:57:11] from Plum Drive up to 54th want to get

[2:57:13] that project completed we've kind of

[2:57:15] gone through some different hurdles with

[2:57:17] the do on funding and everything that

[2:57:20] we're getting to the point here

[2:57:21] hopefully in the next few months we can

[2:57:22] get things up up and running so but this

[2:57:25] will be a future project if that all

[2:57:27] goes well that we'd look at adaptive um

[2:57:29] signal signal timings through

[2:57:32] here is there a reason you you selected

[2:57:34] this um section of road for

[2:57:37] that uh we picked three four sections

[2:57:41] and I guess this is just the one we put

[2:57:42] in 28 is is is it's a tra it's the

[2:57:46] amount of traffic we have as as and the

[2:57:48] proximity of the traffic signal so

[2:57:51] really want want to see if we can't get

[2:57:53] traffic flowing better from 100th all

[2:57:55] the way through 121st the other thing

[2:57:58] that hopefully can make things a little

[2:58:00] better um things are different now that

[2:58:02] the Merit of The Interchange opened up

[2:58:04] and how things we have quite as much

[2:58:06] traffic coming out at 114th as well so

[2:58:10] are are you hoping to like pilot this

[2:58:11] technology for this section of Road and

[2:58:15] just kind of see how it goes and then no

[2:58:17] that's what we want to see up on 100

[2:58:18] uh I mean this is used different systems

[2:58:20] are used throughout the Metro it's on

[2:58:22] Hickman Road it's on University it's all throughout West de Mo it's just

[2:58:28] again we haven't had a lot of

[2:58:30] opportunity to use it ourselves and see how we how we like it so again we

[2:58:35] want to make sure we like the system

[2:58:36] before we would go to this next step

[2:58:38] here

[2:58:43] gotcha um so page 100 is an oute

[2:58:48] page 101 is an out year um so page 102

[2:58:53] is similar with the Adaptive system that

[2:58:55] we've got in 26 and this would be

[2:58:58] linking the signals together on

[2:59:00] Northwest urbanville drive from the

[2:59:01] interstate down to Meredith then on

[2:59:04] Meredith from Northwest urb Hill drive

[2:59:06] out to 128th

[2:59:12] Street on page 103 um we have traffic

[2:59:15] signals at 70th and and 72nd in Meredith

[2:59:20] um there are only two that we have now

[2:59:22] that are not tied into our system that

[2:59:24] we can control from the office um you

[2:59:26] have to actually go out to the cabinets

[2:59:28] so we have fiber that ends in front of

[2:59:30] the high school we're looking to extend

[2:59:32] it on a row to 70th come up to um 70th

[2:59:36] and Meredith and tie into the fiber that

[2:59:39] we have Link in those two traffic

[2:59:40] signals together that we're looking at

[2:59:42] we're currently designing that inhouse

[2:59:44] and we'll construct that next year

[2:59:50] on page 104 is a traffic signal at 128

[2:59:55] in Plum this is out by where the new

[2:59:57] warehouses are are being built these are

[3:00:00] 100% privately funded and will be be

[3:00:03] constructed when when it meets warrants

[3:00:05] out here um with with everything just

[3:00:07] opening the traffic is not there

[3:00:12] yet and then 105 is a signal in andout

[3:00:16] year and

[3:00:18] 106 is now here so I don't even know if

[3:00:21] I even needed five minutes to wrap it up

[3:00:23] uh quick question on the signal at 170th

[3:00:26] and Plum the private uh fun would that

[3:00:29] be the school district or okay yep yep

[3:00:33] we have an an agreement with them

[3:00:35] already

[3:00:41] okay so that is the traffic signal

[3:00:44] section

[3:00:48] and we don't do the water section it's

[3:00:51] just information for you to look at if

[3:00:54] you

[3:00:55] want okay so we've gotten through all of

[3:00:58] the

[3:00:59] presentations in three

[3:01:01] hours but I think we had some excellent

[3:01:03] discussion so

[3:01:07] um I

[3:01:10] guess we can do this um go back I'll go

[3:01:14] back through each section and if anybody

[3:01:17] has any uh things they want to amend um

[3:01:23] we can discuss it uh in that section so

[3:01:26] I'm sure there's lots of art um issues

[3:01:31] okay I would like $4 million

[3:01:34] exactly I'll take it thank you to every

[3:01:36] sorry Nikki thank you to everyone for

[3:01:39] that by the

[3:01:41] way buildings

[3:01:49] okay hearing nothing uh major

[3:01:57] equipment okay hearing nothing

[3:02:00] technology

[3:02:02] nothing

[3:02:09] Parks lots of stuff here

[3:02:14] anything okay uh moving on to

[3:02:20] Bridges okay

[3:02:30] sidewalks okay storm

[3:02:34] water anyone have any

[3:02:37] specific

[3:02:40] um well or might okay and uh the minutes

[3:02:47] will reflect like

[3:02:49] that

[3:02:51] okay uh streets I think Pat had

[3:02:54] something she wanted to propose well

[3:02:57] I I think on these pieces that are uh

[3:03:00] part of the complete streets plan

[3:03:03] perhaps the title should be uh complete

[3:03:06] streets I don't want to hide the bike

[3:03:08] Lanes though I don't think that would be

[3:03:10] perceived as uh genuine from us so

[3:03:13] perhaps this one could be for example um

[3:03:16] complete Street road diet with bike

[3:03:19] lanes and then uh something similar on

[3:03:22] 70th a similar title but I also think

[3:03:26] that the write up uh needs to reflect

[3:03:29] that the real goals here for most of

[3:03:31] these projects in some places it perhaps

[3:03:34] it is about the bike access but these

[3:03:36] projects in particular especially this

[3:03:38] one was really designed to improve

[3:03:41] overall safety to take these four lanes

[3:03:44] where people go too fast and bring them

[3:03:46] down to three lanes and really do that

[3:03:49] kind of work that these Road diets can

[3:03:51] provide so whatever material we might be

[3:03:55] developing information we might be

[3:03:57] developing for the public perhaps in

[3:03:59] addition to perhaps a handout for those

[3:04:01] who show up um that could be

[3:04:04] incorporated in this write up and so I

[3:04:08] don't know how to move that uh except to

[3:04:11] say I would like to move that we

[3:04:12] recommend a title change and a more

[3:04:14] detailed description for our complete

[3:04:16] streets projects in this

[3:04:18] document uh I'll ask for a second and

[3:04:21] then we can have discussion is there a

[3:04:23] second I'll second then okay I'm going

[3:04:26] to look at you two guys right now um is

[3:04:29] this something that can be done be

[3:04:32] before we send it to the council okay or

[3:04:36] would we get replacement Pages before

[3:04:38] the public hearing okay that would be

[3:04:41] fantastic yeah so uh probably for the

[3:04:47] this one on page 66 and then the

[3:04:50] 70th uh okay fantastic and anything else

[3:04:55] in here that I not remembering whether

[3:04:57] it would be called the complete Street

[3:04:59] or not I don't think we have another one

[3:05:01] that's part of the complete streets plan

[3:05:03] per se but we kind of did yeah maybe

[3:05:06] something along Meredith

[3:05:11] or well there should be some level of

[3:05:13] indication of that maybe though that

[3:05:15] could be at the beginning of the whole

[3:05:16] section as a post to Page by

[3:05:19] Page yeah yeah okay that's good that's

[3:05:23] yeah that's right that's good enough so

[3:05:24] I guess to specifically those two pages

[3:05:28] have change changed those two pages and

[3:05:31] get those um emailed out to us for the

[3:05:35] public hearing so any other discussion

[3:05:38] on I I just have one quick comment on it

[3:05:42] in that I think we just have to be

[3:05:44] really careful with how we reate all of

[3:05:48] this in that we don't want it to appear

[3:05:51] to be like we're retrofitting this to

[3:05:54] make it fit our narrative and not yours

[3:05:57] so I think if complete streets was done

[3:06:00] five years ago eight years ago whenever

[3:06:02] that was done that you know credit is

[3:06:04] given to that study so that when it's

[3:06:07] pointed out the the main point of this

[3:06:09] was in fact safety and not bike lanes

[3:06:12] that and that they were a nice maybe

[3:06:15] excuse me add-on to some folks um

[3:06:17] whatever that might be I think it's just

[3:06:18] really important that we're very

[3:06:19] transparent on you know this is what it

[3:06:21] was it probably got as we as has already

[3:06:24] been stated I don't need to go down that

[3:06:26] road but I would just really attribute

[3:06:28] maybe some of that back to that study if

[3:06:31] that's really the leg that there is to

[3:06:33] stand on no I think that's a really good

[3:06:36] point John I guess if you guys want to

[3:06:39] maybe have Pat and I look at it before

[3:06:42] and then if we have Pro we can when we

[3:06:45] vote on the whole document at the public

[3:06:47] hearing to refer it to the council we

[3:06:49] can make any specific changes to those

[3:06:52] pages at that time at the public Hearing

[3:06:55] in a couple of weeks so uh we'll take a

[3:07:00] vote I had a did you did you have a any

[3:07:04] questions related to Pat's or comment

[3:07:07] okay so should we take a vote on Pat's

[3:07:12] Amendment uh motion by bod second by

[3:07:15] Hilbert all in favor say I any who

[3:07:21] oppose

[3:07:22] fantastic you had another had one

[3:07:26] question for you real quick and then

[3:07:27] yeah I had a couple of comments we keep

[3:07:30] referring back to the complete streets

[3:07:31] which was done fairly recently 2019 but

[3:07:34] as cities continually evolve how long

[3:07:37] are we kind of going to reference

[3:07:39] complete streets without looking at that

[3:07:40] again

[3:07:50] I guess we could always relook at it I'm

[3:07:52] just not sure things have changed enough

[3:07:54] we're still trying to implement um the

[3:07:56] things that are in there because it was

[3:07:58] set up as short medium and long-term

[3:08:01] priorities so we're still work working

[3:08:03] through those there's also I would say

[3:08:06] probably a quarter of the document is

[3:08:08] areas like uh one we showed on Hickman

[3:08:11] Road that would be really nice if we

[3:08:12] could get a trail through there so

[3:08:13] there's a lot that are Developer dependent or they're alongside

[3:08:18] an arterial that hasn't been

[3:08:20] reconstructed yet there's you know

[3:08:21] several we cannot do do yet but again I

[3:08:24] think it's still a good document that

[3:08:26] we're still trying to work our way

[3:08:28] through because we knew knew going into

[3:08:30] it that you know we' work on the short

[3:08:32] ones and those mediums would take a

[3:08:33] while and of course there's just

[3:08:34] longterm ones that still take a while

[3:08:37] and I think as a staff every opportunity

[3:08:40] we get to work one into a project we

[3:08:43] look at it evaluate and try to do that

[3:08:49] yeah thank you for that answer um and

[3:08:51] then getting

[3:08:52] to I don't want to change anything for

[3:08:54] this year okay I I would like to have

[3:08:59] explored um two of the the comments i'

[3:09:01] mentioned and I don't know when it comes

[3:09:03] to the trails or the sidewalks what

[3:09:05] section these fall in because they they

[3:09:06] get it's a little gray there but the uh

[3:09:09] the 200 foot section that we are talking

[3:09:13] about not doing on Meredith it seems

[3:09:16] silly but there is that gas meter

[3:09:18] station so I would like to have explored

[3:09:21] just what that cost might be you know

[3:09:23] being a realist it comes back a million

[3:09:25] dollars doesn't make sense right but I

[3:09:28] don't know that we've kind of assigned a

[3:09:29] price or explored it at all but it does

[3:09:32] seem silly to not do a 200 foot section

[3:09:34] when the restom mar is

[3:09:36] done um and then the other one would be

[3:09:39] is there any potential to get that trail

[3:09:42] under Plum Drive as it is on every other

[3:09:45] major arterial Crossing for that trail

[3:09:47] Network and in here we had talked about

[3:09:50] in the 27 doing that overlay on Plum

[3:09:54] could be a potential just a patch yeah

[3:09:57] but it could be a time where we could

[3:09:59] look at something like that if it's even

[3:10:01] possible again you know being realist

[3:10:04] dollars might not make sense there but

[3:10:06] just looking at those two for future

[3:10:11] CIP thank you are there any other uh

[3:10:18] amendments proposals uh related to the

[3:10:21] street

[3:10:24] section

[3:10:26] okay well that was most of

[3:10:28] it Street lighting uh hearing none

[3:10:33] traffic

[3:10:36] signals

[3:10:38] okay so good work everyone um I think

[3:10:43] Nikki will and Addison and um

[3:10:47] vivana will be get doing a little bit of

[3:10:50] work um to get us ready for the public

[3:10:53] Hearing in two two weeks the 16th um so

[3:11:00] uh look for uh some new pages related to

[3:11:05] um the Aurora Pro Aurora and 70th

[3:11:08] project um is there anything

[3:11:13] else oh no yeah definitely anybody yeah

[3:11:18] I think uh no no we're good do do we

[3:11:21] know the date of the it's January 21st

[3:11:24] but is it a normal 6 pm time for the CIP

[3:11:29] public hearing for the council

[3:11:32] okay okay well thank you all for uh

[3:11:38] three hours plus of your evening we did

[3:11:41] some good work tonight I think we've got

[3:11:43] a lot of great projects ahead in

[3:11:44] Urbandale and um we'll see you

[3:11:47] uh on the 16th thank you thank you

[3:11:55] thanks what' you do you wanted to do

[3:11:59] that Chief Isa thatas fire engine

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