[0:00] We're going

[0:32] » Okay. >> Ready?

[0:35] » I'm ready. >> All right, let's start with the pledge.

[0:42] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

[0:46] and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:52] liberty and justice for all.

[1:00] » So, we can start with the initial vote for

[1:03] » No, we've got >> Oh, you got the other vote.

[1:06] » Yeah, sorry.

[1:16] » We're going to do it here. And here, through here.

[1:21] That was not all they got.

[1:25] No, not here. Yes, we've got Bill.

[1:33] And we've got Don.

[1:38] And uh Oh, uh Martha.

[1:42] » Yeah.

[1:46] » And we've got Roger. Mr. Allen [clears throat]

[1:50] » and Carolyn. >> It's newlywed Carolyn.

[1:52] » Really? >> Oh,

[1:55] congratulations. >> Stupid move.

[1:58] » Okay. >> [snorts]

[1:59] [laughter] >> Good.

[2:01] » Okay. Um minutes.

[2:05] Did I give you guys a copy of the minutes?

[2:07] » Yes. >> Yes, I got one right here in front of

[2:09] me. >> Yeah.

[2:26] » You guys have any comments?

[2:30] » [clears throat] >> All right to me.

[2:32] » I'm going to second it. >> Is there anything you want to bring up

[2:35] before we leave then? >> Yeah.

[2:37] » What Kirk made a motion? >> Yeah.

[2:40] » You second it? >> Second.

[2:41] » Dan? >> Same.

[2:46] » All in favor? >> Aye.

[2:48] » Aye. >> Not too many of us spoke.

[2:53] » Okay.

[2:56] » [clears throat] >> It works on our

[2:58] Valerie going on there. Caruthers drain.

[3:05] Oh, okay. Thank you. >> You don't need an box.

[3:09] » Okay.

[3:14] Um

[3:18] So

[3:20] Mr. Caruthers drain.

[3:24] The

[3:27] We have 14 drains that we found that started this project.

[3:32] We've got one turned out to be mutual drain.

[3:37] And then we have uh

[3:40] the Caruthers drain we consider vacated. Um

[3:45] » [clears throat] >> This is one of the watersheds that we

[3:49] had that project did for us. Uh

[3:53] back in April I had to send out a just a feeler to see who all if there's anybody

[3:59] who was really interested in not vacating the drains.

[4:03] As you can well imagine since Dick Chris owns

[4:06] 99.5% of it

[4:09] and he didn't want it. And also because that old drain has been

[4:14] filed over, under, and through many times.

[4:19] Uh recommendation to the board is to vacate

[4:22] that drain. You have to vote on it.

[4:27] Once that happens, then I have to mail out registered letters to each landowner

[4:35] each parcel a landowner a parcel uh telling them of your intent

[4:41] to vacate it and give them uh at least 30 days to provide written

[4:47] objection. If they don't

[4:50] then when we meet uh this fall uh

[4:54] unless we try to squeeze one in before harvest starts

[4:58] uh you'll you'll have to vote on it again.

[5:01] And that's the resolution you'll all sign if you

[5:04] continue to vacate it. That's what will be recorded [snorts]

[5:08] with all the appropriate documentation.

[5:14] » I see. Your initial letter you sent, have you

[5:17] heard any back back from it? >> Yes, I I

[5:20] It's right here. I sent uh This initial sample mailed out to

[5:24] owners. That was just a carrier pigeon that Dick Chris carried by now.

[5:28] And then here's all the cards that we got back.

[5:31] » seen the answers. That's what I just went through. I didn't see anybody say

[5:33] yes they want to >> I don't think there

[5:36] There was there was not one. Uh

[5:39] I did get a call from uh lady over in Kokomo. She's who's been

[5:44] selling a farm to Dennis. She's on contract.

[5:48] Far as I know there's still going through that process even

[5:52] though Dennis has held his stake in it. Turned into a war.

[5:56] But she said she would just defer to

[5:58] whatever Dennis wanted and Dennis sent back that

[6:01] » So I saw him sign on in the back. I said no.

[6:04] » Yeah. So that's

[6:07] between folks. I make a motion we vacate it.

[6:11] Can I get a second and get my note? Here.

[6:15] » I'll second that. >> There you go.

[6:18] All in favor? All right. >> Aye.

[6:21] » Opposed? If no one opposes >> Okay, good. First was Pam.

[6:26] You second it? >> Kurt.

[6:28] » Kurt. >> That's all we got, isn't it?

[6:31] » Then passed. >> Yep.

[6:33] » unanimously >> Yep.

[6:35] » Okay, so my next step will then be mailed out

[6:43] this legal letter back here to back. It meets all state statute requirements.

[6:48] And uh

[6:51] give them an opportunity if if someone would oppose it, we do have to hold hold

[6:56] a public hearing. >> Yeah.

[6:58] » And then they can voice their concerns. >> Okay.

[7:01] That's fine. >> All right. So that takes care of that.

[7:12] Oh, yeah. Okay.

[7:17] Okay, the next one is the I think what I did

[7:24] Oh, okay. The next one is the uh

[7:29] Thompson regulated drain. If you got Dana, this

[7:33] is the one that starts there at Kevin Bishop's house

[7:37] kind of across the road, runs down the railroad the

[7:41] angles off to the west, and crosses the state line. It's all

[7:45] It's all up in the air. Pretty much.

[7:49] Now, I have a confession to make. Assuming that no one in their right mind

[7:54] would want to >> [clears throat]

[7:57] » continue with that ditch, I just wrote the landowners of which the

[8:02] ditch crossed. And would you know it,

[8:06] two of the landowners uh want us to maintain things.

[8:13] Maintain it and start your assessments. >> I saw a couple yesterday.

[8:17] » Uh Well, then I thought, well, now I better

[8:21] make things legal. I had had had Roger build Carolina.

[8:26] » Thank you. >> Redo the

[8:28] redo the watershed. Uh you can still You can vote to vacate

[8:33] or you can vote to to reestablish. Either way you want to,

[8:37] go ahead and do that tonight. All that does is change which

[8:41] letter I send the landowners. If you

[8:44] vote to vacate it, go ahead and vacate it.

[8:48] I'm I'm

[8:49] 99.5% sure we will. Uh

[8:54] in the event then I'll just send them the vacation

[8:57] letter and then give them an opportunity to

[9:01] submit in writing to the board that they

[9:05] want a hearing on that.

[9:09] It just >> Do you know where

[9:11] on your map here where it is that the people are that

[9:16] said yes, where they're at? Are they at the bottom of it or are they at the top

[9:20] of it? That's >> I

[9:22] Kurt, you know, >> I was letting him speak.

[9:24] » It's the two ladies.

[9:28] Um Wait a minute. I'll go look at this map.

[9:33] It's uh >> I know where it's at, but I don't

[9:36] I'm not taking a flyer. >> It would be

[9:46] » You all cheat them. >> And it's all open ditch. There's no pipe

[9:49] in it at all. >> And best cheat cheat them.

[9:55] Go back cheat them. >> Which I believe it's this here.

[10:02] So this is This is Joseph the park running through

[10:06] that. Is that what it is? >> I don't like this one.

[10:09] » Oh yeah. >> That's north of uh

[10:13] » This here would be

[10:24] » Who knows? Would they be in Illinois or Indiana?

[10:28] » Well, their address can be in Illinois but the problem is in

[10:33] Indiana. >> Okay.

[10:34] » That's a That's a TIA.

[10:36] » Oh, okay. I was in that TIA. >> Got you. That other one is a line.

[10:41] Got you. >> Which I'm not 100% sure. I know I know

[10:45] that piece is

[10:50] » Who It's in the middle of the drain you're

[10:52] still in me. >> Yeah.

[10:55] » Like Milligan's on the top end of it, isn't he?

[11:00] Top what? Top Top side? >> Uh

[11:05] Yeah, part of it. >> But those are the only ones you see

[11:10] Those are all the cards I got out of all the ones I mailed out. So

[11:23] » That's where I want to >> Where's the ditch at? Do you know where

[11:25] it is? >> It's right right along that railroad

[11:26] track. >> I know I don't see the railroad track

[11:29] though. >> Can you see it?

[11:34] He's the one track pretty much straight up and down?

[11:37] » Yes, it runs north and south.

[11:41] » And then

[11:45] Is the railroad track >> That's right.

[11:51] You want me I can read you off the names of the people who live in here in the

[11:54] latter. >> Okay, yes that's the old road. Yeah,

[11:59] that's it. >> And then this is the ditch and then it

[12:00] goes over here and over in Illinois. >> The crossing is over in Illinois, yeah.

[12:04] So the they American Land Holdings, I'm not sure who that is.

[12:08] Oh, that's the railroad. Then Ingrams

[12:12] 1 2 3 4 Redmons Hendricks, more Redmons

[12:17] Hesses more Redmons

[12:22] » You sent these cards out to everybody in the

[12:24] » No, I didn't. >> Oh, okay.

[12:26] » I just assumed nobody wanted it so I just sent it to the

[12:29] » Okay. >> The people who are joining the ditch

[12:31] » Yeah, my curiosity was I didn't see anything in your past this title. I just

[12:34] wanted to know which way it went. >> I think it went to Quigley.

[12:38] » I think it did too. I'm just curious. >> Bridgets will be back this way.

[12:42] » Yeah, cuz the Milligans Ingrams are on it. Hesses they own.

[12:45] » Which I knew they did. They take a lot of it that way.

[12:49] » Yes, sir. >> Much more Milligans, much more Hesses,

[12:53] much more Bridgets. >> See all this

[12:57] in here.

[13:01] Okay. I don't know where the break is exactly,

[13:05] but I know I know this 40 right here comes across

[13:09] the road to where I found it. Okay. Okay.

[13:13] All right. So somewhere this has got to

[13:16] » And this blue one is the one they just >> That's the actual watershed I had them

[13:20] draw up after I realized hey, we do have some

[13:24] people who sent back cards that said yeah,

[13:27] they don't know if they want us to pay this.

[13:30] No. Then we got

[13:33] trying to save the box, but I was wrong. >> Yeah.

[13:37] » Bit me in the rear end. >> That's what I guess is there'll be a lot

[13:39] of variances in this one and variances established.

[13:42] » Yeah, which is amazing.

[13:47] » It's somewhere >> It pretty doesn't go as far north as the

[13:50] one the red one does. Yeah.

[13:57] » Makes sense. That's why >> We stopped them out and stopped them out

[14:00] right in here. >> Yeah.

[14:03] I thought it was something like that anyway.

[14:06] » All I need is some direction from you guys what to do.

[14:10] » [laughter] >> Yeah.

[14:12] I thought I wish more of them were here, though.

[14:22] Always easier if they just take it back.

[14:26] » And I'm >> But if there's a whole shitload of them

[14:28] together, then it's open ditched and I also get spurred.

[14:33] » I I

[14:36] » One thing like that >> say well a bit 90% of them would want to

[14:41] take care of themselves and not be in any digital session.

[14:46] But that's what I thought I got bit, so you

[14:50] » Yeah. It's like that one that we vacated and

[14:53] you know, all the whole open ditch is on us. That's one

[14:55] » What do you mean we can >> It doesn't get a width of the name of

[14:57] the easement.

[15:00] » Multiple aren't the same owner.

[15:04] » Or I guess there's a third option. I could I could write them a formal letter

[15:10] and

[15:12] I could just draw a letter saying this is there's vacated and if you you don't

[15:16] want it, then and we invite them to a the next

[15:20] drainage board meeting. >> I got a couple

[15:22] » And then come to the meeting and if there's any lot of variances if they

[15:25] don't want us to vacate it. >> Yeah.

[15:28] » Either way it goes I still have to send out a registered

[15:31] » Yeah. >> letter to them.

[15:34] If they have a registered official and that's right in the law. Yeah, even if

[15:38] we vacate it we still have to give them 30 days.

[15:41] » Still have to give them 30 days. >> And an opportunity to come in

[15:44] to meet with us. >> Right.

[15:45] » No matter what. >> There's quite a few more people on this

[15:48] list. >> Yeah, and I sent yes.

[15:50] » So I had to say we need to get a little more info here before

[15:54] » Okay. Okay, yeah.

[15:56] And so you want to hold off on the formal legal

[16:00] step and just let me send them a letter to say look

[16:04] » I think we're going to have to. >> I would prefer that.

[16:06] » And then then we can go from there. >> Yeah, I just think

[16:09] » Okay. >> How much of an addition that makes a

[16:11] difference then? >> Okay.

[16:14] I'm going to send I'm going to put informal letter.

[16:18] » Informal acquisition letter.

[16:24] » You land owner.

[16:28] » [clears throat] >> Okay.

[16:30] » Pretty easy when there's one or two parcels.

[16:32] » Yeah, that I just I make that a something

[16:37] » Yeah, like I said the whole ditch was on

[16:41] got one on us. >> Yeah.

[16:43] That's easy. >> Okay.

[16:48] » We got some more disposals and then we're not sure which

[16:50] » 20 everybody >> Okay.

[16:52] » There's a lot of existing pipeline there too so

[16:57] » Next thing I did not print off any more copies of

[17:02] Rogers engineering reports because it's about 6,000 pages.

[17:07] » [laughter]

[17:09] » I got your reports. >> But it's but it's but

[17:14] All right. But we have to make a decision.

[17:19] Uh

[17:21] Which direction we want to go. Roger and Caroline have two different plans here.

[17:30] We just going to have to decide which one we would like to pursue.

[17:36] Or, if you have any questions for Roger or Caroline

[17:40] about this or that or the other or Now's the time [snorts] to get them out.

[17:45] These questions about get worked through it.

[17:49] Uh, once we make that determination, or if

[17:52] we make that determination tonight, then

[17:57] uh You know approximately estimated how

[18:01] much cover? >> That's going to be my first question.

[18:04] » So, on the pipes? >> Did you gain any outlet cover?

[18:07] » We We dug out a lot of the pipes in the field, and

[18:11] they ranged anywhere from 3 to 5 ft. >> But, your your design, how much cover?

[18:16] » I mean, we It's in [clears throat] that elevation

[18:18] » We maintain We maintain that same cover. >> Yeah, 3 to 4?

[18:21] » Yeah. 3 to 5.

[18:23] » 3 to 5 ft. >> Yeah, even on the big pipes.

[18:25] » 42-in pipe. >> Yeah, even on the big pipes, yeah.

[18:27] » That's good if we can get there. >> Yeah.

[18:29] » That's fantastic. >> We uh the reason we were able to do

[18:32] that, if you look on your map at the tail end where the red line is,

[18:37] that red line is what's existing. [clears throat] We've rerouted it around

[18:40] and got further down the stream, so we're able

[18:44] to get it deeper. >> Awesome.

[18:45] » And that worked pretty well. We dragged it all back at minimum

[18:50] slopes, and we were able to extend beyond 1450

[18:54] and go all the way to that ponded area >> Yeah.

[18:56] » uh to the north, so that helped quite a bit.

[18:59] Now, obviously, it's going to add to the cost of the project, but at least it's

[19:02] an option for you guys to consider >> We are

[19:04] » expanding. >> Yeah.

[19:06] » We'll look into that. >> The complete elevation's in that report

[19:09] that I emailed to you guys. >> I saw it.

[19:11] » The The whole length of it. We have we have pretty good cover and we

[19:16] maintain the inverts of the pipes that way if there's any laterals we can put

[19:20] that right back in. That was the bigger thing. I didn't want

[19:22] to go higher than what we had. So I don't want to see any laterals.

[19:27] » Yes, we we were in good shape. >> With that much cover I don't

[19:30] believe there'll be any problem with motor semi

[19:34] damaging the double

[19:37] wall pipe. >> No.

[19:40] The crossings the the road crossings

[19:44] and the lane crossings, there's a couple of grass lane crossings. I definitely

[19:49] recommend we keep those as as concrete. >> Okay.

[19:52] » But the option to move to dual wall is definitely worth it. It'll save you

[19:59] » That that one lane is technically a road.

[20:03] » Yeah, I know that.

[20:07] Yeah. >> Got trees growing up in it but it's

[20:09] technically a road. >> It's flooded here I'll have to look at

[20:11] the current number >> So the concrete is stronger than dual

[20:15] wall? >> Yeah, for loading, yeah.

[20:18] » What's what's your thought about like rock backfilling those crossings? 100%

[20:22] rock backfills instead of you know spoil backfill.

[20:26] » That would help. That that may allow us to use dual wall at the crossing if we

[20:30] do engineered fill. That that may be an option.

[20:35] The rest of the pipe currently well 100 years ago

[20:42] also now >> [snorts]

[20:44] » grade and I maintain that as well

[20:47] to save the cost. We backfill with stone all over we're

[20:51] going to increase the cost from our perspective.

[20:53] I felt that with it being 3 to 5 ft deep that'd be a good bed compacted bed to

[20:58] consider on. But on the road that's definitely an

[21:02] option if you want to go dual wall. Now we do have two road crossings and two

[21:07] lanes. The cost between concrete and

[21:11] Z is not huge. Just for those crossings. But if we want to maintain continuity,

[21:16] we can that this here.

[21:19] It may end up being close to a wash a little bit cheaper by doing that.

[21:23] » Then I guess another question I had um Sorry, I'm a little late to to meetings,

[21:27] but um

[21:29] so I I do I'm a contractor as well, but I'm a landowner in this in this

[21:32] district. Um but

[21:35] you know if you've had a 42-in down here, there's

[21:39] not very many machines that can install a 42-in.

[21:42] » That has to do with the cost. >> But if you have a you know, you go to a

[21:45] 36, we have the capability of machine um installing, which means we can you know,

[21:49] get a radius bottom, we can get a lot better support on the pipe. We actually

[21:53] can rock backfill um a 36-in just up to like spring line.

[21:58] Um you know, the thought is you know

[22:01] if you looked at it, could could we possibly parallel the existing pipes

[22:05] down here with two pipes? Um you know, a 36 and a 30

[22:10] » Yeah. >> could would replace the 42 and then you

[22:14] know possibly you know, with cost very

[22:18] similar versus you know, open cutting 100% you know, rock backfill, under

[22:22] digging. I mean, I just because that's a lot of 32-in or 42-in pipe. Um so just

[22:29] thinking out loud, if you know, if you could possibly install with a 36-in

[22:33] with a wheel machine um

[22:35] you know, there might be significant cost savings, time and and

[22:38] you know, I don't know. I >> board meeting we had we discussed that.

[22:44] Discussed the split I think we all came in favor of let's

[22:48] not try to split it because if it's not constructed spot on

[22:52] one of them is going to take more water than the other. That one is going to

[22:55] start silting and filling in. >> Got you. You have a 36 that's running.

[22:58] Got you. >> I think that was the thought there.

[23:00] » Okay. >> Um but you you're are absolutely correct

[23:03] on this. If you are able to put them on the split with even and they

[23:06] both run at the same time and one doesn't split,

[23:09] that's an option. >> But they are hard

[23:11] » I'm just saying from an insulation standpoint, I guess.

[23:13] » Well, especially with machine insulation, I mean, I know there GPS run

[23:16] and flat run, but having two pipes at the same elevation with that run make

[23:21] that harder. But it is an option. It's still an

[23:24] option for the work to put there. >> I don't know. [snorts] I've got more

[23:27] confidence in a machine being able to do it than by hand.

[23:30] » I'm I'm a GPS savior all the way. I trust that thing all day long with

[23:35] that. I I'm going to get it set. It's hard to

[23:38] get it set. The only time I've ever faced with I dug in, so

[23:42] » [laughter] >> I mean, that's that's

[23:44] » I mean, just looking at it from a contractor's standpoint, I'm like, oh,

[23:46] you're you're talking about hauling in, you know, several thousand feet of 42-in

[23:50] and it's like, I mean, I'm not saying it can't be done or it can't be done in the

[23:53] right, but I mean, >> but it's just

[23:57] it's tough to get that better than the way

[23:59] » And there's not a lot of machines that can install 36-in, but there are I mean,

[24:02] there are machines that can. >> Yeah.

[24:05] » Um, I mean, from an engineering perspective, if we do two 36-in,

[24:09] I think we should be fine. It's just the decisions that you guys

[24:12] make. Okay.

[24:14] » You know, this is modeled for 42, you know, it works. I think the 36 236 will

[24:19] be fine. It's just a decision that you guys make

[24:22] later >> I know I stated in my in the last

[24:27] meeting I'm not a fan of dual pipes. Just for various reasons.

[24:32] » I remember having that conversation. We talked about it for a while.

[24:36] » I've been putting pipe for 35 [clears throat] years, so

[24:42] As as the owner, as the owner. Uh,

[24:46] and I just know we've always had problems

[24:50] with maintenance problems 10 15 years down the road with dual pipes.

[24:58] And I, you know, my preference is we put this in, we spend the money, we don't

[25:02] have any problems 10 15 years down the road.

[25:06] » Other side side of the coin is you're saving

[25:09] $180,000. Um no, it would be less than that. If

[25:14] you replace the 42 by 36, it would be 180, but since you're doubling the 36,

[25:20] it's going to be saving

[25:25] $40,000. >> Is that $40,000 worth of 10 years down

[25:29] the road? It's not if one of them fails.

[25:32] » On a on a on a $3 million project, $40,000 becomes nothing.

[25:38] » Oh, that's right. I just

[25:40] » And would you just If you did run into it, would you just connect those with a

[25:43] big Y? Is that how you would bring those >> Yeah, like a junction box,

[25:47] a distribution box, you know, something like that where you come out, you know,

[25:50] one coming in and then split. We've done before, but um

[25:55] » I don't know. Are you planning on doing like exploratory trenching on the

[25:59] opposite side of the pipe? I mean, the new pipe's going in

[26:04] off the one side probably of the existing pipe just to you know, you're

[26:07] trenching on top of it at the same time. Then would you be exploratory trenching

[26:11] on the the other side, you know, to to pick to

[26:14] to see if there's any pipe coming in from that that Say you're on the west

[26:17] side, you're going to be on the east side doing a like an exploratory trench?

[26:21] » Well, our proposal is to crush the existing pipe in place.

[26:24] » Yes. >> And when we're crushing, we should be

[26:26] able to identify where those laterals come in.

[26:29] You know, we're not just going to leave a cavity sitting in the ground where we

[26:32] have some holes >> Sure.

[26:34] » So, we crush that pipe. Anything coming into it should be identified.

[26:38] » So, you're actually digging that with a hoe?

[26:40] » Right. >> Crushing it and then and then

[26:42] backfilling. >> Okay.

[26:43] I know I've got east and west lateral. >> Yeah.

[26:47] » So, the kind of to your point, I mean, I understand what you're saying about the

[26:49] dual pipes, but [clears throat] the dual pipe does allow that you know you're not

[26:53] missing anything coming in from either side, but

[26:57] you know, and then and then you can just >> On that 6,000 ft, yeah.

[27:00] » Yeah, and then you can run a plow down you can run a top plow down and rip the

[27:03] old tile up basically instead of having to excavate it.

[27:06] » Well, still though, once you're out of the 6,000 ft for the 42 in you still

[27:10] have that for the rest of them where where the pipes come in.

[27:13] » Exactly. >> So, we're going to plow and just rip it.

[27:16] We're going to rip the laterals coming in.

[27:18] » Correct.

[27:21] » You're really reconstructing what they did.

[27:24] I believe you're right.

[27:30] We did encounter a few sinkholes. We had one big break that run

[27:37] we need to fix this, so we put a steel casing on it and covered it up for the

[27:41] farmer. Other than that, everything went

[27:43] reasonably >> The farmer still didn't fix the But,

[27:46] they had no place to go. That water's got no place to go.

[27:50] I don't remember the whole thing. >> Uh just so you guys know um

[27:56] the discharge end of where that is now, you know, it's up there along the gravel

[28:00] road at the top of the Matthew property.

[28:03] Yeah. And uh

[28:06] I don't know if it's in there or not. We probably didn't

[28:09] put that in there, but there is we did reroute that down basically

[28:15] to the fence line between Matthews and his neighbor to the south.

[28:20] And I did have uh Ethan go ahead and

[28:25] draw up a draft memorandum of understanding regarding the drainage

[28:29] easement. So, basically it says that Hicks and

[28:34] Matthews agrees to swap properties with us.

[28:37] That's the bottom line. And verbally they both committed to it.

[28:41] And in return, we agreed to vacate the ditch and the creek on all there up

[28:48] along the gravel road.

[28:51] They get that and then we get permission to go ahead and get the grand jury

[28:55] appeal. It's all right. See them take you get the

[28:58] » Matthews. [clears throat] >> Yeah.

[29:01] » So. So, we do have that in place.

[29:04] » All right. >> Ready to go.

[29:07] If that's If that's where you decide you want to go.

[29:13] » Who's doing that right away? Or that easement acquisition, would

[29:16] [clears throat] that would that be the Drainage Board attorney?

[29:19] » Yeah, Ethan. >> Yeah, Ethan Myers.

[29:21] » [clears throat] >> No, his office is up there on the north

[29:23] side of us. He's probably doing them all.

[29:26] » Now, as with a lot of the old legal drains, there's no survey description

[29:31] here. For the easements. They just default to the state requires

[29:35] 75 ft on both sides of the tile. And to the best of our knowledge and

[29:39] digging the field, we'll find where the tile is. So, it's a generic hey, 75 ft

[29:44] on both sides of the tile. Now, most farmers are going to come in and farm

[29:47] right off top of it. It's not a big deal.

[29:50] You know, but if you need to go do any repairs, you're

[29:54] going to pile through. Fortunately, destroy the crops to get to

[29:57] that easement.

[30:00] » Which is the same thing he would do if he had to.

[30:03] » Correct.

[30:06] » Or you're going to want to tax them. >> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want those lasting

[30:08] very long. Man, they were going north of Dorris County.

[30:11] Uh, it was somewhere between 30 and a 36. I

[30:15] don't know. It's 22 on me by the time I get it It ends up 36 and I was driving

[30:19] by one day and then that thing started one day and the next day you could have

[30:22] lost an entire car in that stuff. >> Yeah.

[30:25] » Whole car. It was huge. >> Yeah, that hole in the ground was

[30:29] sizable. And how many how many loads of dirt did

[30:32] you have to put two or three to fill it in?

[30:35] » Yeah, I think we had three truck loads.

[30:38] » [laughter] >> That's what I was saying. It was 1,300

[30:40] or what? >> Yeah.

[30:43] » Yeah, it was a big hole.

[30:47] » But once once this is reconstructed, once the the tile is shot, this map has

[30:52] bolts on it, we can easily offset that by 75 on each side and then you know

[30:56] exactly where you're where you're placing them at.

[31:03] » I've never had a >> So, do you you guys want to go ahead and

[31:08] choose between these two plans? Do you want to

[31:11] modify it to do as Mark was saying on the discharge end?

[31:20] Because then we probably If you want to, we can go ahead and talk

[31:23] about financing first yet.

[31:28] And then come back to this.

[31:32] What's your preference?

[31:35] From my perspective moving forward, it'd be a whole lot easier what you want to

[31:39] do. But

[31:40] » I think moving forward is a great idea. >> That depends on

[31:44] » I want to do this kind of tile project. >> [laughter]

[31:47] » I've never seen a tile project have be done too well. That's all I'm going to

[31:51] say. I've under done them in the past and

[31:54] I've never over done them.

[31:58] » I know one thing. >> I That guy's pretty much just taken

[32:01] away. In the last month

[32:03] » you can drive around and pick out the pattern tile fields for this

[32:06] » But you can't this year. >> Even the non-pattern, just any tile

[32:09] around. >> If this isn't the year to

[32:12] convince people what tile does, >> Yeah, it won't ever happen.

[32:16] » Yeah. >> I tried to get the council So, the

[32:18] council members tried to get 63 million today.

[32:21] » I just take pictures for them. It looks like a pond out there.

[32:24] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[32:26] » That's what I'm saying, but I like >> Yeah.

[32:28] » Yeah. >> Yeah, I don't even go to Harrisburg.

[32:33] » [laughter] >> I I honestly have many as three times

[32:36] and they're still [clears throat] going. >> It's good for duck hunting, but not for

[32:40] farming.

[32:42] » Uh what's what's your opinion on concrete

[32:46] and I >> Um

[32:47] you know, we've put in >> [clears throat]

[32:50] » a lot of dual wall tile and and had really good success with it. I think

[32:54] it's only as good as the installation job. I mean, I'll just I personally like

[32:59] rock backfill and big dual wall, anything above 24. Actually, anything

[33:04] above 21 only uh clear rock backfill. That's just

[33:08] our kind of our personal thing. Yeah, I mean, we put in

[33:12] a lot of 18 and not rock backfill. We can, you know, we can do that, but

[33:16] um

[33:19] I think if it's installed correctly, I think, you know, the you know,

[33:23] I know you've got N12 in your um

[33:26] specs. Um

[33:29] maybe the supplier we use, maybe maybe we you

[33:32] could modify that to N12 or equivalent. Um some stuff like that that would maybe

[33:37] wouldn't lock you into a certain brand of tile.

[33:39] » Yeah, we do that a lot. We like equivalents, so we're not calling out a

[33:42] specific manufacturer or something. >> I I believe in 100% virgin resin. That's

[33:46] what we install. That's what I I just believe in it, but you know, you like he

[33:51] said, you can have some really good concrete. The old concrete we dig up,

[33:55] there's some concrete mains that are awesome. They're bigger, longer concrete

[34:00] and really good. There's some that you barely touch and they just disintegrate.

[34:04] New concrete tile is going to be good. I mean, there's no question. Um is it

[34:08] worth the additional cost? I think

[34:12] personally as a contractor, um I think if you do dual wall and you

[34:16] install it correctly, you know, you know, that's why you've

[34:18] got engineers that are you're paying them to to oversee the

[34:22] project. Um I think the dual wall is the way to go,

[34:27] especially, you know, maybe maybe you you still go with the 42 and you have to

[34:32] tow that in. Um, but then the rest of this could be

[34:35] machine installed to me. Um, that's I think it's the way to go.

[34:39] » In my mind it is, but >> I do agree with him.

[34:43] The design plans were always based on concrete. That's why you don't see any

[34:47] backfill, but if you do switch to the HDP, I definitely would

[34:51] agree with his statement that we probably should rock backfill. Or at

[34:54] least get >> At least a spring line maybe. Yeah.

[34:56] Yeah. I mean it with thick out radius buckets

[34:59] you can get a good, you know, coat of pipe. I mean I I'm

[35:04] » One of my concern on the HDP is that it can be

[35:08] squashed during backfill. It can deform.

[35:12] And it can you can get high points in it easier. Concrete usually you don't have

[35:17] that problem. Uh

[35:22] » It does have a little bit more play than concrete. Squashing it, I'm not too

[35:25] concerned about that cuz these guys know what they're doing.

[35:29] And you know, if >> I've

[35:30] I've had a lot of it that I've had to put in and take out because it was

[35:35] damaged during backfill. >> During backfill.

[35:37] » I mean it's probably the the biggest chance of of an issue. I mean, no

[35:41] question. Um, is that an issue? >> We we require we require that you have

[35:45] to have you know, to take a mandrel testing of all plastic pipe.

[35:49] » Yeah. >> And yeah, you could do that. Absolutely.

[35:51] » But that's a lot of mandrel testing. >> And then when you get, you know, when

[35:54] you get into like depends on the the cut of the pipe. I mean, you know, when

[35:58] you're talking about taking off overburden and then replacing, I mean,

[36:01] the good thing about a machine backfill or machine install is that now you've

[36:04] got some spoil that, you know, you're not pulling in these huge chunks of dirt

[36:09] that are getting dug with an excavator. >> [clears throat]

[36:11] » Um, but it's still it's there's a risk. I mean,

[36:14] » Is that Is that something you can write into the bid package some of these

[36:18] requirements some of these >> So, a few of the jobs that we've done,

[36:21] they've actually >> I don't know. I'm asking you.

[36:24] » We have installed >> Indiana specs require that plastic pipe

[36:27] mandrel tested. There you go.

[36:30] » What's that mean, gang? >> Mandrel testing, it's a

[36:33] steel blades and it's it's like a hot dog you're you're shoving through the

[36:38] pipe. It's about a half an inch smaller than the diameter of the pipe.

[36:42] And you just tie a string on one end, string to the other end, and you just

[36:45] pull through. And if it gets caught someplace,

[36:47] » You got a problem. >> there's a problem.

[36:51] » We can also send, you know, because it's new piping, we can send cameras through

[36:55] it, check all the seams, make sure everything looks good.

[36:58] » Cameras? >> Yeah.

[36:59] » But they can only run about 500 ft. Most camera setups about 500 ft.

[37:03] » Yeah, our camera is 500 ft. So, while installing every 500 ft, we can run

[37:08] them, make sure that everything looks good.

[37:11] That's an option.

[37:14] » So, what they talked about this is

[37:19] you can write up a bid package and make it make sense to them however.

[37:22] » Sure. >> But you have to realize the more the

[37:25] more complicated the specs, the higher the cost.

[37:29] What you're doing in most specs, you're transferring risk from the owner to the

[37:33] contractor, right? And the contractor has to cover those

[37:38] » What is his insurance? >> in his bid.

[37:43] » I mean, you can also put in with like a That's what I was saying, some of these

[37:47] projects, you know, you can determine the

[37:52] if you wanted machine installed, you could, you know, that can be written in.

[37:55] Or if it's not machine installed, this is what you know, these are the

[37:58] difference in the installation type.

[38:01] We do have a line item for bond and insurance and I estimated that 5%. It

[38:07] varies anywhere between 4 and 1/2 to 6 and 1/2 7. I put 5.

[38:12] » So, you can spec out the bill wall length of pipe and then spec out the I

[38:17] mean the up to the 42 in pipe.

[38:21] » Yeah, everything >> And then write a different specs for the

[38:23] 42-in down to discharge and >> Yeah, we'd have to change the bedding if

[38:27] we do HDPE. >> What's that going to

[38:30] What's that going to do to the cost? I mean, it's still

[38:32] » Oh, you're you'll lose cost in material cost of the pipe, but you'll you'll

[38:36] realize cost in in in aggregate.

[38:40] What What the difference is, you'd have to run numbers to see. But

[38:44] » So, we're still altogether we're still looking at $3 million. It doesn't matter

[38:47] whether you go to concrete or it doesn't matter whether you go to the

[38:50] plastic line. Do all right.

[39:01] » I'm no expert, but my I mean, my personal preference is

[39:07] I just like the wall.

[39:10] Every time I've had double wall concrete

[39:14] » It's easy to repair, too. >> Also easier to tie your ladders in.

[39:18] » It's easier to tie your ladders in. >> Only concrete.

[39:21] » [clears throat] >> Okay.

[39:22] » Yeah. >> I've done it.

[39:23] » You have to pour it and then it has to be clean poured.

[39:25] » So, all our holes >> Just

[39:29] Yeah.

[39:32] » There's There's pluses and minuses for both of them. Yes, there is.

[39:35] » So, we're talking double wall [clears throat] pipe until they get to

[39:38] the county road, basically. Concrete under

[39:41] the county roads. >> Unless we do I'll I'll take a look at

[39:45] the depth again. If I have sufficient depth, we could do engineered fill all

[39:48] the way to the top of that we bid. >> Okay.

[39:51] And then the 42 when it starts into the 42-in to the discharge

[39:59] digging it in and putting double wall pipe

[40:02] » Pretty much have to run >> and all your own backfill with

[40:05] engineered engineered backfill and do all the

[40:09] special stuff I'm talking about. >> If you do HDPE, all of it has to be

[40:13] bedded. >> Yeah, all of it.

[40:16] » Yeah, for sure. >> Okay.

[40:19] » So, when you say bedding is that just across the top or is that underneath

[40:22] » No, it's not underneath it to almost halfway through the pipe underneath.

[40:27] » I think Indiana specs say like on a culvert you're supposed to

[40:31] hand fill the base and go halfway to the on top of

[40:36] the pipe. Ain't what it says then or used to say

[40:39] that? >> Well, you're supposed to

[40:42] It actually tells you It tells you you know, you're supposed to have the trench

[40:46] wide enough that you can get a compacted effort Yeah. between the pipe and the

[40:50] edge of your trench. So, you know, your trench width

[40:55] whenever you use compacted fill has to be

[40:57] wider because you have to be able to get a compacted [clears throat] effort when

[41:01] I want to depends on what you're using whether it's you know,

[41:04] jumping jack or vibratory paving or whatever. I wouldn't recommend jumping

[41:08] jack if you're using plastic pipe because you could

[41:12] real quickly you could bounce right on top of it.

[41:15] » Is there any issue [clears throat] switching between the double wall and

[41:18] hit the road with concrete and back to double wall?

[41:22] You think particularly there that >> It's just the gasket.

[41:27] » It's up to you guys to decide. How else you going to decide?

[41:33] » Currently I think within the county

[41:37] Yeah, we'll walk through there and as long as we're going to have to go back

[41:41] there. >> Right.

[41:43] » I agree with you. >> I'm not aware of any rules that would

[41:45] prohibit us from using them. >> Any help is good.

[41:52] What else we got? >> Well, I mean it's a choice honestly. You

[41:56] guys make that decision. You know. The HDPE that you know,

[42:01] plastic pipe is a whole lot easier put in the ground. It just is. It's you

[42:08] know, you >> No doubt.

[42:09] » You can pick it up with two laborers. You know, you know, you don't have to

[42:14] have a great big excavator dropping it down in the hole. The concrete are

[42:18] shorter sticks. Plastic pipe are probably at least 20-ft

[42:22] sticks. You know, it's just easier to deliver,

[42:26] easier to get it there, easier to it's it is easier. I I'm not disagreeing with

[42:31] that. Time for construction

[42:34] will be less. >> That's why we give the two options on

[42:38] the cost so you guys can think well of that.

[42:42] Make a decision.

[42:49] » I'm fine with plastic.

[42:57] The only kind I've I've got plenty of good concrete on some Illinois farms,

[43:01] but also put in

[43:04] finished in 1916, so they didn't have plastic options back

[43:07] then. >> And the new concrete is going to last a

[43:10] lot longer than the old concrete. You know, like you mentioned, some of it

[43:13] » Yeah. >> you just hit it and it fall apart.

[43:16] » Yeah. I mean, this didn't even fall apart. I mean, we kind of really worked

[43:19] to get holes in this, but but yeah, it's hard.

[43:24] » Yeah, from an engineering perspective, honestly, I'm not worried about either

[43:27] option. And I know that HDPE is going to save

[43:31] you close to half a million dollars. Last time I found out half a million

[43:35] dollars go pretty quick. >> [laughter]

[43:38] » About how many You put this in I'm going to guess to me

[43:41] how many loads of rock would it take to put in it like how much rock does it

[43:45] take to put in a 20-ft stick, would you say?

[43:48] » Well, it depends on what you're if you're

[43:51] [clears throat] >> pipe

[43:51] » If well, depends on if you're

[43:54] what the requirements are. If you're just going to spring line and and you

[43:57] get, you know, if you're digging with radius buckets and you're just putting

[44:00] basically on the edge of the pipe up to like half of them, then I mean, you can

[44:03] go >> quick.

[44:05] » Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to last a while.

[44:07] » Yeah, but if if you're on the 42, if you're owing it in, you got to undercut,

[44:11] you're putting rock under, now you're putting compacted effort on the side you

[44:15] want to be wider. Yeah.

[44:20] » The 42 will take a minute to put in, but then the rest of it will become a lot

[44:24] easier. >> The 42 is approximately probably a third

[44:29] of the length of the pipe. >> So, [snorts]

[44:31] if we start with the 42, is it Is it a Is it beneficial to do the 42 as

[44:37] concrete and then switch to plastic if you're going to dig it in?

[44:41] » You could. >> Would you

[44:42] » I I would feel better. 42 in is a big pipe to be in plastic. I mean, you got

[44:46] to bend the hell out of it and you got to know what you're doing.

[44:49] » I don't think Randy's got some laterals in there.

[44:52] » Oh, I'm sure they do. There's laterals in every acre out there.

[44:56] » I mean, I don't Is that going to be Is that going to add significant risk and

[45:00] cost to us putting that

[45:03] » I don't know. I mean, how in the hell do you tie a lateral in the 42?

[45:10] » I used to hammer drill. >> That's That's what I was going to

[45:15] » I would prefer somebody core it.

[45:23] » I mean, if you've got a bunch of laterals running down that thing, I

[45:27] would say you'd be better off to have a I mean, if it was mine, I'd put a sub

[45:30] main in there. >> That's what I was going to say. I was

[45:32] going to say we would we would just hook in one time on each side.

[45:35] » Yeah, and sub main it. >> Because

[45:37] » that way you're only having two connections to it versus

[45:40] 30. >> time [clears throat] you open that 42 in

[45:42] pipe up, you're inviting a problem down the road, in my opinion.

[45:47] » And that's just the reality of it. But you're kind of taking that integrity out

[45:51] of it. I don't know. >> Well, if you're going to do the If

[45:54] you're going to do that 18 in >> You just put that 18 in and I don't

[45:56] think you've got anything you can hook to it. So, if you just put it in, you'd

[45:59] be putting it in from that. >> Yeah, you

[46:01] » just put it in at turn that outlet to try and lateral as you think there are

[46:04] out there. Nothing bigger than 12 in.

[46:07] » [snorts] >> I doubt it.

[46:08] » I wouldn't think so. >> You never know. Most of them are

[46:11] probably 4 or 6.

[46:15] » But when you get to talking about just sub-main and then that's a bottom

[46:20] if you're going to do that, you could probably go with the smaller pipe and

[46:23] then just put new outlets on each side of that instead of sub-main attachments.

[46:27] And then I mean I'm creating a problem here, but I'm saying

[46:30] » It's like going to have to just laugh at me.

[46:32] » But I mean as a farmer, that's what a farmer would do.

[46:34] » That's right. >> I mean

[46:35] » That's exactly right. >> Yeah, this cost just to be clear. If you

[46:39] look at line item number 10, it says connect existing lateral to the main.

[46:45] Actual plumbing is to be determined, so we priced it for a connection.

[46:49] If you have 100 connections, you got to multiply that by 100.

[46:52] » Yeah. >> connection you got to multiply that by

[46:54] 100. >> Yeah.

[46:55] » Cuz there's no way for us to know that to know that without

[46:59] getting into it. >> And realize this is a government entity,

[47:03] so we can't we can't >> Right.

[47:05] » shoot from the hip. We we've got to >> At some point

[47:09] » Things we've got to do right. >> I'll hook them up for that much

[47:14] » I'm going to switch gears on you. Future tiling if we can tap we can tap

[47:18] in. >> Yeah.

[47:20] » Future tile >> Yeah.

[47:22] » into the main >> Oh yeah.

[47:23] » Oh yeah, absolutely. >> That's what it's for.

[47:24] » You just have to get you have to have that permit to tie in.

[47:28] » We're up. >> We know.

[47:30] Legally because of this maintained and owned by the county, you have to get a

[47:34] permit. But most installers know that.

[47:39] Unless you're in the wild west. >> Well, we got an ordinance going to go

[47:43] into effect 2015 and I came out blank one.

[47:46] permit >> [laughter]

[47:49] » It says the ordinance went into effect, so what's that tell you?

[47:52] » You're you're not you're you're not unique. The county county has drains. I

[47:56] don't think they've ever got a pipe. Uh

[48:00] County um

[48:02] runs a pipe shed so we usually gets those permits submitted.

[48:05] » Warren County does, too. >> Yeah.

[48:07] » Randy should do it. >> Yeah.

[48:11] » I mean, you guys are starting, you know, >> I'm not a long a long run's going to be

[48:15] a >> but you could get at least get that

[48:17] process started so the next supervisor >> Black top Danny and whatever in my

[48:20] place. >> Um

[48:22] » Black top Danny and whatever in my >> I'm not talking about that.

[48:26] I do not envy you on your job.

[48:33] » [laughter] >> He's far exceeded the expectations set

[48:37] prior to this seminar. >> And once those processes are in place, I

[48:41] mean, they could they could be inherited by the next person, you know. I mean, at

[48:45] some point Ron's going to say, "I'm retiring."

[48:56] » [laughter]

[48:59] » Okay, what do you want to do? Make a motion or something.

[49:06] I guess my recommendation is we go with the HDPE

[49:10] uh with uh

[49:13] concrete or structured backfill underneath the county roads

[49:17] and or waterways.

[49:21] » Option two. So, option two.

[49:24] I'll make a motion. >> I'll second that motion.

[49:28] » You don't know what was in the motion. That was just my recommendation.

[49:38] Now, I don't you know, I'm I'm I guess I haven't really touched the 42-in pipe

[49:42] issue yet.

[49:45] » I think there's a few things you need to consider. The 42-in what you want to do

[49:49] with that. The crossings, whether you're going to go full engineer fill all the

[49:53] way to the top of the asphalt, or you want to put concrete there and then

[49:57] backfill it. So,

[49:59] when you make a motion, I think it would help to be clear on which route you guys

[50:03] are going to go down there.

[50:08] » Is the soil like anything like that, don't that play into

[50:11] that? Nothing on that ground, or not?

[50:15] » That soil, every hole we dug was pretty consistent.

[50:18] » Yeah.

[50:21] Pretty consistent there as far as soil goes.

[50:23] » Yeah, some areas had 6 in of topsoil, some areas had like half a foot, foot

[50:28] and a half of topsoil, but then silty clay.

[50:34] » It's not where I live. >> Well,

[50:37] » That's [laughter] not quite there. >> That's why you need a tile.

[50:41] » and gravel. >> Yeah, you don't need a tile there.

[50:44] » Make a fortune raising watermelons, couldn't you?

[50:49] » Some areas were really surprised with the amount of topsoil, it was very

[50:52] healthy.

[51:02] » I was going to be the first. Yeah.

[51:07] Yeah, what?

[51:09] I think we Let's Let's go with the concrete

[51:13] underneath the county roads and the in the waterways.

[51:17] Uh >> Sir, why in waterways? You don't have

[51:19] any >> I I

[51:20] I just the fact that the cover is probably going to be less.

[51:24] » The majority of that tile is in the waterway.

[51:28] » I I mean, is there any waterways that cross laterally to the tile?

[51:34] » No, we have two. >> then I guess that waterway doesn't

[51:37] matter then. >> No, yeah. The way the tile runs, it runs

[51:41] along the waterway. >> Right.

[51:42] » The crossings are two county [snorts] roads, two lanes, which one is a is not

[51:47] a county [clears throat] road development, it's just a grass lane.

[51:50] gravel grass. >> I'm not trying to argue with Dan, but my

[51:53] concern is switch it back from concrete to

[51:57] plastic dual wall. I mean, I'm I'm pretty

[52:00] confident with the compression fit as long as you get it sealed right on dual

[52:05] wall. I mean, tell me, you guys handle that

[52:08] big pipe more, but how good of a fit is that concrete into that dual wall?

[52:13] That's my question if we switch back and forth.

[52:17] So, that we're not creating a gap or a suck later

[52:21] » Suck hole? >> No, most time when you would do that,

[52:22] you would probably have to put a inspection um

[52:27] port as what we would do. We would We would go dual wall up to the inspection

[52:30] port, put an inspection port off of off of the road

[52:34] um with the casting and then and then you would go

[52:38] and then and then you'd go yeah, across the road in concrete another inspection

[52:42] port and then go dual wall. I mean, that's probably the right way and then

[52:45] you can check your inverts.

[52:49] That's what we've done in the past. >> I I By the time we get four concrete

[52:54] collar around it You could.

[52:58] » Yeah.

[53:01] » I just don't

[53:05] » So, one one of these crossings one of these crossings is only crossing one is

[53:08] it? >> No, it doesn't cross the road.

[53:11] » Two lanes. >> 1,300 crossing is a 36 in.

[53:14] » Yeah. >> And what does not prohibit it and then

[53:17] 1450 is a smaller pipe. 1450 is 24 in. >> It's not even that big.

[53:23] » No, I can I can look at the covers one more time to make sure that I'm

[53:27] comfortable with that and if we engineer back for that all the way to asphalt

[53:31] cap it. I will I will look at it, but I don't

[53:36] see a problem. >> We crossed a lot of roads with with dual

[53:38] wall. >> It's the correct way. mean. I've got

[53:41] dual wall underneath I-65, you know, we're working on right now. So.

[53:44] » I don't foresee a problem, but I just got to make sure that the cover is good.

[53:48] You know, and again, I mean, these roads, yeah, you have a trash truck, you

[53:52] have farmers running in, but >> Somebody would work at the most in truck

[53:57] traffic just based on superior coats being there.

[54:01] » But

[54:05] We'll take a look at a at a loading of a full semi.

[54:11] I think a look of, you know, that that should be fine. My gut feeling tells me

[54:15] it's fine. >> It depends on whether Carter loads it or

[54:17] Brent loads it. How much weight you're going to be

[54:20] pulling. >> I don't know.

[54:21] » Depends on whether you're hauling into Illinois or anything.

[54:24] » [laughter] >> So, I can tell you that from personal

[54:26] experience. >> So, there by your outlet, um,

[54:28] you know, a lot of times if you're having a flared end or well, I

[54:33] guess it's already probably >> We have a flared end. A flared end with

[54:37] this >> Okay, so

[54:40] you know, you would go you could go RCP concrete on the first part, make that

[54:44] that kind of awkward bend and and then as you soon as you got into the farm

[54:48] field um

[54:50] or or even past that bend, take, you know, and then and then

[54:53] » After the 245 >> Yeah, and

[54:56] you could do concrete to there, so it was all concrete at your outlet coming

[55:00] » [clears throat] >> do the double 45s till your turn and

[55:02] then as you're going straight line Yeah, and then that would give that

[55:06] landowner a place to tie into dual wall instead of the concrete. Um

[55:12] » Absolutely, because what we have where we tie in is

[55:16] very little of it is in the field. The rest of it is all of that wooded area

[55:19] that is not at the bottom. >> So, concrete would make probably make

[55:22] sense in there. I mean, it would just >> Yeah.

[55:26] And the tree roots will not grow back. It's going to take them a lot longer to

[55:30] get to that concrete than just that. >> Well, we have In our plans, we have the

[55:35] area where the realignment is. I think it was 20 or 30 ft of tree

[55:40] removal for that. Yeah, so we got to keep that lane clean.

[55:46] » I was saying that's one I would just keep

[55:48] clear. >> Once it's clean, yeah, just keep it

[55:50] mowed. >> Bush hog it once a year for saplings and

[55:53] » That one, yeah. Yeah, I'm big into that.

[55:58] » Yeah, but the outlet on this one is a little special. It's not just a pipe

[56:01] going through the creek because it comes in at 90°, so we put a

[56:05] » dissipator or something like that. >> It's a great 42-in

[56:09] 42-in pipe running full of water and >> It's a lot.

[56:12] » We don't want to end up on the other side of the creek.

[56:14] » Yeah.

[56:18] Would you riprap both sides of the Absolutely. Both sides of this ditch or

[56:22] the creek running down through there? >> We have ripraps. Well,

[56:26] the headwall is a specialized headwall. >> I saw that. Yeah, I saw that.

[56:30] » Yeah, it's a concrete headwall with these concrete

[56:33] pillars out of it.

[56:36] So, it breaks down the energy quite a bit.

[56:38] And then we have riprap on both sides. >> And then this riprap comes in over here.

[56:44] » If you riprap on the other side of the creek,

[56:47] we could do that. I don't think we did that. We just riprap where the headwall

[56:50] is to protect it. We could do that, but we got to use the

[56:55] riprap on >> [clears throat]

[56:58] » Pretty good permitting issues, too. >> Yeah, need some bigger riprap.

[57:05] And I don't From having a lot of missing concrete, I

[57:09] used to use clean concrete slabs just to put up there.

[57:12] » I like it all. >> I know.

[57:14] » But >> the farmer happens to have concrete. But

[57:16] they

[57:21] I think he's going to push pop back in the woods somewhere. [snorts]

[57:23] » Yeah, I'm just saying I No, they they frown they frown on it.

[57:27] They want clean riprap.

[57:34] » Okay. going to do the first and the second.

[57:39] What is the ceiling more than to the first and the other one

[57:43] after? >> [clears throat]

[57:48] » Um

[57:54] I don't like the idea of running some concrete after that

[57:57] second 45 from the outlet. >> Yeah.

[58:03] » And then it's 30 the rest of the way. >> Yeah.

[58:09] How can you do that, man? >> With engineering backfill underneath the

[58:12] two gutter roads. >> And the the 42-in has to be engineered

[58:15] backfill pre pre wall.

[58:19] » You good? >> If it's HDP.

[58:23] » That works. I would just do it on the pavement. I know you said there's one

[58:26] lane there that's taking out the area. I wouldn't worry about that on that one

[58:30] cuz that's not going to have traffic.

[58:34] » It's under water. >> I don't know if they're

[58:35] » It's under water part of >> I don't know if they're on the combine

[58:38] still those lanes or not or trucks. >> So imagine

[58:41] » but >> We don't.

[58:43] » We turn around before that but only if it's fixed.

[58:46] » And the water's not there. >> Might be a shortcut.

[58:49] » [laughter] >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Might be a

[58:51] shortcut over to the other road. >> [clears throat]

[58:54] » But they're more likely to run over it empty than full.

[58:56] » Yeah, most of the >> Yeah, so okay.

[58:58] » That is a difference of 25,000 versus >> Oh.

[59:00] » I put in 85,000 when you use it. >> So what when you guys are loaded, you

[59:06] just get up on the gravel roads and just go out, get on the county roads?

[59:10] » Probably. >> Most of the time.

[59:11] » That's what I would do. I'm I'm a farmer and I know it.

[59:14] » We don't just because it's solid.

[59:17] » Solid. >> But if it becomes solid,

[59:20] it's a lot easier to instead of turning around out in the

[59:22] field to get the compaction out of the field.

[59:24] But right now we turn in the field empty and get on the

[59:29] We do. >> the other

[59:30] » Well, it's always a problem, right? >> You guys still have that problem in the

[59:34] rest of the drive being solid? >> Yeah, the rest guys are solid.

[59:37] » It is? >> Yeah.

[59:39] We got any problem?

[59:43] Make runs in the field.

[59:59] That thing is going to help that is, you know, we're going to basically getting a

[1:00:02] lot of the surface water on the ground. That's going to cut it out.

[1:00:07] problem. >> Oh, yeah.

[1:00:10] Mentally. >> It should.

[1:00:12] » Yeah, I had a few breathers designed along the line. I tried to

[1:00:17] bias them towards where the plumbing happens, so it'll be a problem.

[1:00:21] But honestly, it's all about maintenance, right?

[1:00:24] The breather and it's full of corn stalks and everything.

[1:00:28] » Yeah, that was one question I was going to have. Are the I was going to ask are

[1:00:31] those more for the need to get air flow through the

[1:00:34] pipe or they Okay. >> Both.

[1:00:36] » All right. >> I biased them towards the low areas to

[1:00:38] where we can get some of that water discharged into the pipe.

[1:00:42] » Yeah. >> But you need to have the air that flows

[1:00:44] through the pipe. >> That's what I thought. This much

[1:00:46] distance and this much pipe. >> Correct. Correct.

[1:00:48] » I've gotten to the point where I just like sticking one pipe close together if

[1:00:51] I don't have to have an open place where debris to

[1:00:56] accumulate. >> Like I said, I I biased them towards

[1:00:59] those heavily wet areas. So, they can help.

[1:01:03] But again, you know, we don't maintain them.

[1:01:06] » Yeah, bingo. >> That's why I don't run over them.

[1:01:10] We can burn them.

[1:01:13] Some of that's on >> on your right.

[1:01:15] That's an off.

[1:01:18] » That's one of those gradually vacate down St. Bernard's had a metal.

[1:01:22] » Yeah, metal on the road. >> The one up by 1450 had metal cuz we

[1:01:26] were picking it up from the field. Um combine or something ran over it

[1:01:31] through that. >> [clears throat]

[1:01:33] » You You picked up a couple of pieces but I mean your choice there.

[1:01:37] » But I mean this is more This is like a standby which is down there by St.

[1:01:40] Bernice. It wasn't It was yellow casing so

[1:01:48] » Nelson got fired. Nelson >> What did he

[1:01:50] » He resigned >> Well, I needed decision on first and

[1:01:53] second

[1:01:56] one of these plans and proceed with

[1:01:59] » It sounds like we're going to end up with a hybrid of these two plans.

[1:02:02] » Yeah. [clears throat] >> I I think we should have the concrete

[1:02:05] from the outlet through the second 45 and then HDPE

[1:02:09] [clears throat] >> Okay.

[1:02:11] » from there on.

[1:02:15] » [clears throat] >> I agree.

[1:02:18] » And that's easy for us to amend cuz we'll put notes [snorts] on the plans

[1:02:22] that state that and then we'll amend the quantities here just to show that.

[1:02:33] » We'll put in a motion.

[1:02:36] I guess between those two plans I know we've had discussions about dual pipe

[1:02:42] at the 42 or just having 42-in pipe and I don't know

[1:02:47] what does everybody think about that.

[1:02:53] I'm I'm again I'm I'm I'm not a big fan of dual pipe.

[1:03:01] » I just want it to work the best as long as possible. I don't want anyone in this

[1:03:05] room to have to worry about it for the rest of their life.

[1:03:08] » I think dual pipe and then we'll have to >> Right.

[1:03:11] » talk about this again. >> Right.

[1:03:13] » [laughter] >> I agree.

[1:03:15] » Well, we'll have some discussion over the course of next year too.

[1:03:20] The one big thing is we got to get the funding.

[1:03:23] » Yeah. >> I will look on on the bedding

[1:03:26] requirements for those 42-in pipes if we going to do a wall.

[1:03:30] I'll see how high we need to go with the stone.

[1:03:33] Maybe halfway, maybe all the way up on top of it. Up on top of

[1:03:39] 42-in pipe will be a large pipe. >> When when do we need to have these plans

[1:03:43] ready to put out for bid? >> We got to have them ready to submit

[1:03:49] for grant application. >> Right.

[1:03:52] » Quickly. >> Quickly.

[1:03:54] » If we're going to make it by next spring.

[1:03:57] And I think so. >> So,

[1:03:58] that's the estimated start, spring. It's not a very good time to put tile in in

[1:04:03] the spring. >> Well,

[1:04:05] » Contractors would rather be this next summer. Uh

[1:04:08] » Yeah, but the deadlines for the grants is what we

[1:04:13] got to meet. Once we get the money, we spend it

[1:04:16] whenever we want. We command it, basically.

[1:04:19] We got to make the deadlines for the applications, we got to make the

[1:04:22] deadlines for the >> We still know exactly when those

[1:04:25] deadlines are, according to the meeting we had the other day.

[1:04:28] » Bill, you're up on that stuff. Usually, it's

[1:04:31] They're awarding in the in like October, November for

[1:04:36] April, May, something like that. >> [clears throat]

[1:04:38] » going to be going through Department of Agriculture.

[1:04:40] » Great. >> Right now, they're

[1:04:43] uh the guys at Springfield are considering

[1:04:46] federal grants. Probably our best rural development.

[1:04:53] » I'm not familiar with timing on any grants. So, ready grants is the only

[1:04:56] thing I've ever worked on. There's nothing open there right now.

[1:05:00] But, I'm not sure what avenues you'd be going down.

[1:05:02] » Well, the one grant writer I talked to said we

[1:05:04] have to have it in have to get it in early fall for a spring award.

[1:05:09] » Right. >> In early spring for a fall award. grant.

[1:05:13] So, those are the time tables we're kind of working at. And then I what I have to

[1:05:17] do is once you guys come up with which are one of these plans you want,

[1:05:23] we come up with a dollar figure. Um

[1:05:26] then we have to make a scientific ball park guess

[1:05:31] of how

[1:05:35] put that matching fund in my 2027 budget.

[1:05:41] And that's we know I've got bills here so I can maybe get a little bit quicker.

[1:05:45] » I I would just I would just go ahead and use the the higher estimate you got

[1:05:50] right here for your matching funds. >> Okay, but it'll have to be an

[1:05:54] [clears throat] itemized when we send in the application it'll have to be

[1:05:59] or itemized, right? >> Well, you can you can do that and then

[1:06:02] between the time the grant gets approved and the time that we go to letting we

[1:06:07] decided to save costs. >> Yeah, we can do that.

[1:06:10] » So, I I would go with a higher Okay, the higher cost with this itemized

[1:06:16] breakdown that he's already provided us for us, the 3,201,000

[1:06:22] for the grant. >> When you when [clears throat] you need

[1:06:23] to come up with a an educated guess for line item number

[1:06:28] 10. >> Yeah, that's going to go up. I mean,

[1:06:30] that's a low ball right there. It's just a

[1:06:32] » And that's the other thing, you know, once we get this grant

[1:06:36] even though the contract says we pay additional money to the contractor,

[1:06:39] there's not going to be any additional money there for us to use. It's going to

[1:06:42] come out of the county. >> That was my question.

[1:06:45] » What mechanism do you have for overruns? >> It's [clears throat] it's there for the

[1:06:49] grant. There is none. >> And that's what I that's what I

[1:06:53] » once you spend the amount of grant there is no additional funds. So, overruns has

[1:06:56] to come out >> of our pocket.

[1:06:58] » I got out of the county.

[1:07:00] » I can't put a factor of safety on these costs. These are actual close to actual

[1:07:04] costs. I can do an engineering safety on them.

[1:07:08] Like a 1.2 or 1.3 million. >> I would say

[1:07:19] For item 10, I would I would I would say an

[1:07:22] estimated Well, how many miles is it?

[1:07:27] » It is

[1:07:30] How many linear feet? >> 15,000 linear feet?

[1:07:33] » I'm I'm I'm trying to >> It's about 15.

[1:07:36] » Yeah, it's about 15. >> I'm looking at the length of your

[1:07:38] crushed pipe. 15,000? >> 15,500, yeah.

[1:07:42] » So

[1:07:46] » Well, it's more than that because if we add anything north of 1450, that's all

[1:07:51] additional. Which is

[1:07:55] another 18 in ch

[1:08:00] another 3,000 3,000 ft. So, you're looking at

[1:08:05] about 19,000 19,000 ft

[1:08:09] Almost a mile >> I would say put 30 in there.

[1:08:15] Just just you know, I mean, probably will be end up being more, but at least

[1:08:19] we have cost in there to cover some of it, I guess.

[1:08:21] » 30 what? >> Oh, for an item 10. And I think that's

[1:08:25] the connections laterals. I'm just throwing out a

[1:08:30] a suggestion. >> It was an example.

[1:08:32] » I was just trying to think. I know I've got

[1:08:35] » How many do you have? >> Two coming from the east.

[1:08:40] Four from the west I'm aware of. That's six on the books.

[1:08:46] » And what percentage of this your farm hookup is water?

[1:08:48] » Uh it's from uh from

[1:08:52] 13 to

[1:08:55] half a line. >> Right? 1350 to 1370 line.

[1:09:00] » 1,300 to 1,350. So, that's that's a lot. Half mile.

[1:09:04] » Half mile. Half mile. >> You said you have six years.

[1:09:10] » I think it. >> Maybe 30 is about the right number.

[1:09:14] » Very likely. >> Just throwing [clears throat] something

[1:09:17] out there to try to cover some costs and over.

[1:09:21] » I understand that the quantity one is just to preserve the length. I

[1:09:24] understand that. >> No, it's also to build a budget.

[1:09:27] » Well, now I'll multiply by 30 if I assume 30.

[1:09:30] Then we can multiply that. That number

[1:09:33] over. >> Factor of safety, what do you want me to

[1:09:35] put on it? >> We're talking about funding and the

[1:09:38] not to end up with the county holding the bag if they go as overage.

[1:09:43] Um I can do a 1.3 multiplier.

[1:09:46] That's fairly safe. If we bust by 30% we're going to have

[1:09:50] problems.

[1:09:53] » Yes, six per half mile. And so you got that by

[1:09:57] three half miles and four mile stretch. 48.

[1:10:02] Yeah. 24.

[1:10:08] » How many? >> In action.

[1:10:10] I don't know what I mean. Existing is >> I'm not talking about existing.

[1:10:14] I'm not over here. >> Quite a few.

[1:10:17] » Yeah, but we're probably going to sub that in. We're talking about

[1:10:22] » I was talking the factor of safety not only for a number of time.

[1:10:25] » He's a ball park. >> Yeah.

[1:10:27] » He's talking about factor of safety just to over

[1:10:30] » average. >> Yeah.

[1:10:31] I'll make sure that we don't you know, the county doesn't end up holding the

[1:10:35] bag.

[1:10:38] » Interesting. >> Yeah.

[1:10:41] I'm I'm going to do 1.3 until somebody else tells me no.

[1:10:45] » That's pretty high, but that's that's >> It is pretty high.

[1:10:48] But at least it covers you and then you know.

[1:10:53] » You want me to have this put in the form of a motion by the way.

[1:10:57] » [laughter]

[1:10:59] » So

[1:11:02] » [clears throat and cough]

[1:11:05] » I I think that we

[1:11:10] keep the 42-in throughout.

[1:11:15] We Not throughout. Where he's shown on the

[1:11:18] plans. Okay. We uh have concrete from the outlet to

[1:11:24] through the second 45. >> I got

[1:11:27] » north of the outlet. >> Got that.

[1:11:29] » HDPE from there on. Uh

[1:11:35] We have uh 30 laterals connected.

[1:11:39] » Got that. >> And we

[1:11:43] Would you say 1.3? >> Unless you feel differently. I just

[1:11:47] » 1.3% uh safety factor for cost overruns.

[1:11:53] » Got that.

[1:11:56] » And I made that motion.

[1:12:02] » Yeah, I'll second. >> Okay. Do Do you have any problems? I

[1:12:05] mean, I'm just >> No, I just told Brent. I mean, I You're

[1:12:09] You're the You do this all the time.

[1:12:11] » Yeah. >> As a farmer and a drainage guy that's

[1:12:14] putting in my own drainage, I know what I do. I'd split it and keep both down

[1:12:18] cuz I'm pretty confident that I can do it.

[1:12:23] And just not have to pay the extra

[1:12:27] » If you guys would prefer that, then I don't have a problem with you guys

[1:12:30] saying that. >> That's my own my own

[1:12:32] » I'm I'm I'm >> I appreciate

[1:12:33] » I'm the engineer >> No, I mean, I'm I'm I got confidence in

[1:12:37] your decision and I don't I don't think I

[1:12:40] » I've been in heavy highway construction for 35 years. That's just, you know, and

[1:12:44] I've always dealt with the owner's side of things, you know, not on

[1:12:48] » Uh-huh. >> Uh

[1:12:49] so >> So, could some of those

[1:12:52] decisions be more I mean, to get your budget, can some of those be like it

[1:12:57] could an alternative when it comes closer time to the LED light that you're

[1:13:00] talking about? I mean, you made the motion for, you know, doing

[1:13:03] HDPE, but, you know, does some does that do those details connect

[1:13:09] change at any point or are we set in stone now?

[1:13:11] » No, they're subject to change. The short of it is we have to get our

[1:13:17] our bid document pretty close to ready so we can get

[1:13:21] the process started to get the grant. >> If you want to split the box

[1:13:25] » If we don't get the grants, we don't have the money money to do the job.

[1:13:28] » If you want to split the box beyond that 42-in going to the 245, want to split

[1:13:34] the remaining 42, you need to tell me so I can model it

[1:13:39] and make sure it works. >> And that's going to

[1:13:43] we're going to pay him more money to do that cuz that's he's We've already paid

[1:13:47] him for for this right here. >> right here.

[1:13:51] » I need to make sure that we're not making a decision just on a whim saying,

[1:13:55] "Yeah, I think we should split it." >> Uh-huh.

[1:13:58] » I want to put the division. >> I'm I'm coming from the standpoint

[1:14:04] of going through all these records of this

[1:14:06] county and all the screw-ups and save a nickel here and 30 years down the road

[1:14:12] it costs $100,000. Perspective. And that's kind of where

[1:14:17] we're at with this thing. And it happens time and time and time

[1:14:21] again. And but, you know, for my perspective, I'd

[1:14:24] rather see the 42-in and have confidence that

[1:14:29] long after all of us are dead and gone, it's still working.

[1:14:35] That's that's >> I agree, but we can we can we can

[1:14:39] engineer and design anything to the to the T and if it's not put in correctly

[1:14:45] » Right. >> you know, we're

[1:14:48] you know, we've absolutely got nothing. So

[1:14:52] » want us to take a look at where the 36 come in?

[1:14:56] Put a junction box and run two 36s

[1:15:00] to see if it works.

[1:15:01] » I think that's kind of what these guys are saying they'd like to do.

[1:15:05] » Well, I'm just

[1:15:11] I mean, I don't know what a 36

[1:15:15] What does a 36 look like? >> 13733

[1:15:23] » I think it was a little >> How are the costs of the three? Are they

[1:15:26] reasonable in comparison to how they were before?

[1:15:28] » I mean, for us it's on the high side, but we're not

[1:15:33] but traditionally we're non-union company doing ag drainage, so but when

[1:15:38] you're talking about prevailing wage and all, I mean, I understand that, but I

[1:15:41] think that it's on the higher side of the cost.

[1:15:45] » That's a good answer. >> Get it. Cuz I'd rather be on the high

[1:15:47] side. >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[1:15:49] » can technically under Once we get it Once we have the

[1:15:52] » Yeah, we can Once we get the money, we can pretty much change We can do a lot

[1:15:56] of changing without violating the grant.

[1:16:01] » And he's got And I don't know if that's going to affect the way he's

[1:16:04] going to install it. >> He's got to

[1:16:05] » He's got to be a competitive bidder. He doesn't want to lose one just by saying,

[1:16:08] "Oh, I know the numbers. I'm going to go over there."

[1:16:10] » I mean, that, you can't you can't I mean, using those numbers, you can't

[1:16:15] split it up. I mean, even if you run a 36 and a 30, you're still

[1:16:20] » But you're doubling the the 36-in pipe though in that run, so you have to

[1:16:24] understand >> Yeah, what he's saying is it's actually

[1:16:26] going to cost more. >> Yeah.

[1:16:28] » But I'm saying if you can machine install,

[1:16:32] then that could make your cost >> I mean, I don't

[1:16:34] » down quite a bit on that. That's that's something I'm saying.

[1:16:37] » Yeah.

[1:16:42] » Well, that's a decision that we once we get to dollars.

[1:16:45] Really, when you get right down to it, can we?

[1:16:48] I mean, as long as you're comfortable that the water will flow through the

[1:16:51] pipe, then then when we get ready to bid, then

[1:16:55] if we have to make a decision between the 236s or How about this? We we just

[1:17:00] have him do what we just said, concrete through the second 45.

[1:17:04] » Yeah. >> HDPE everywhere else, all 42-in, and

[1:17:08] then at the right, you know, >> We after we get the money and we get

[1:17:11] closer to bid, we can go back to him and say, "We'd like for you to revise

[1:17:15] these." And pay him additional cost at that time to do that.

[1:17:18] » Yeah, it works. It works. And if it doesn't, yeah.

[1:17:20] » It'd be like a second option or something, maybe.

[1:17:22] » Yeah, we could do that. I mean, we can put even in the bid as a as an

[1:17:26] alternative, a non-binding non-binding alternative,

[1:17:31] 236-in central, assuming they would work. Again, I got to design them to see

[1:17:35] and model them to see that they do work. But we can put that as an alternative

[1:17:39] for you guys, so you can have that cost. >> We need to vote on that motion.

[1:17:45] » So, you have a solid motion? I mean, you >> Well, I've got first and second, but I

[1:17:48] don't have the both. >> All right. All in favor? All right. All

[1:17:52] right. Any opposed?

[1:17:55] » Opposed to that. >> Okay. Now, let's talk about some money.

[1:18:01] Is that where we're at?

[1:18:04] Okay. We started out,

[1:18:08] let's do the engineering. Couldn't find anything in Indiana, so I ended up going

[1:18:12] through the University of Nebraska. And I had a list of about 40 companies

[1:18:17] that were ag related. Of those 40,

[1:18:22] 30 of them only worked in Nebraska. Uh of the 10,

[1:18:27] uh we contacted five. Of the five, three

[1:18:34] were interested, and since that time, two have dropped out.

[1:18:37] and so we're we are left here with MEC, which is Martin Engineering in

[1:18:43] Springfield, Illinois. They

[1:18:47] have proposed that Ben and I met with them on Zoom cuz I

[1:18:50] figured all you guys would still be in the field.

[1:18:53] Was that last week, Dan? It was last week.

[1:18:56] What they're proposing is for their flat I like their rates run anywhere from 150

[1:19:03] to uh 150 is the high per hour.

[1:19:09] Uh

[1:19:12] to do the research to say, "Okay, you apply for you can apply for

[1:19:17] uh this much uh rural development money. You can apply for this much Oprah money.

[1:19:22] You can apply for this much whatever tree-hugging money from

[1:19:26] the Indian reservation, whatever it is, and put together a package for us."

[1:19:32] What they can't tell us is

[1:19:37] what the estimate for matching funds.

[1:19:43] Did I say that right? They can't tell us what their total costs are going to be

[1:19:48] for their professional services to to to seek and pursue grant funds. Right. It's

[1:19:56] just per hour rate. Right. So,

[1:20:00] in our in our budget for professional services, it's for the remainder of the

[1:20:05] year, and we have $23,751.

[1:20:10] We asked him what his estimation was, and it was he thought it was around

[1:20:14] 20,000 at the most at the high end. And the one girl out in Pennsylvania we

[1:20:18] was talking to about about out he said 16.

[1:20:22] So,

[1:20:25] they're they're in the ballpark.

[1:20:29] So, what we need is they vote to proceed with hiring MEC

[1:20:35] under I got to get this on the record. Indiana code 36-9-27-30

[1:20:42] to allow me to hire them to pursue our funding for us

[1:20:47] at this point. Then

[1:20:51] if they come up with a plan, then we'll have to rehire them at 27

[1:20:56] under a separate contract actually write the grants and

[1:21:00] do all the double publishing and all that.

[1:21:04] So, that's where we're at now.

[1:21:08] » I'm pretty much the only one. >> We're the only one that's left out of

[1:21:11] the list that I started with. [snorts] >> Fair enough.

[1:21:15] And you don't like their Bible then.

[1:21:19] » I don't know anything about it. I don't I don't

[1:21:21] » You don't have a choice. >> They're He's licensed in Indiana, so the

[1:21:25] guy that we talked to. >> And there's none in Indiana?

[1:21:28] » Well, I'm sure there are. None of the None of the people that the county

[1:21:31] usually would use was even interested. They wouldn't

[1:21:35] talk to me. Christy Gerold was another one.

[1:21:37] » Okay. >> So.

[1:21:39] » Fair enough. >> They They Their perspective was Indiana

[1:21:42] doesn't have any money and Wayne County sitting on too much cash, you won't get

[1:21:47] any money. Uh but these guys said, "Well, if you go

[1:21:50] through the federal program

[1:21:53] » Got you. >> You got us more. Which is what they

[1:21:56] asked us to get some They asked us and this was brief One of the things I

[1:22:00] wanted to ask Bill uh They were talking about the LMI numbers,

[1:22:05] Bill. They said, "The federal grants LMI SD

[1:22:11] block groups. The amount of funding we can get depends upon the LMI numbers."

[1:22:18] Are you familiar with the >> know what those are.

[1:22:21] Or maybe you Do you know what they are?

[1:22:23] » No. I but Scott Craig sent me the LMISD by block groups.

[1:22:30] Uh last census for May and County.

[1:22:36] And it comes up with a low 205 up to a

[1:22:45] a low

[1:22:48] modular something 1070. So, I don't know what

[1:22:52] these numbers mean. I have no idea. He did one for He did one for Highland

[1:22:56] Township and then he did one for the county as a whole.

[1:22:59] » There's There's what's called the census census groups or census categories that

[1:23:04] that it's eligibility dependent upon the income level of the

[1:23:08] » I I That's what this is. >> That's what this all

[1:23:10] is. This is income level and they He was asking what whether we thought

[1:23:14] it's best we localize just in the drainage area or use the whole county.

[1:23:19] And he was probably suggesting the whole

[1:23:22] county because sometimes if you use just just the

[1:23:26] drainage area, which is usually a farming community, it might

[1:23:31] » income per head household >> income per head household per

[1:23:36] the entire [clears throat] >> If you include Clinton, I've seen some

[1:23:40] stats that Clinton median income is lower than the

[1:23:44] county's median income. >> Okay. And that may be

[1:23:46] » diluted by a little bit. >> So, anyway, we need a motion to

[1:23:52] finance or

[1:23:56] Well, I I think we're all in agreement that we want to pursue this this

[1:24:00] » We don't have a choice, do we? >> this

[1:24:03] drain, so I think we need to pursue trying to get m- funding for it cuz

[1:24:10] currently we don't have any funding in this

[1:24:14] drain funds. >> No.

[1:24:16] » There's zero. >> Well, no. We

[1:24:19] At the end of the year, we'll have $2,500.

[1:24:22] » [laughter] >> I right. All right. Yeah, first

[1:24:24] collection we'll have $2,592.

[1:24:29] » Okay. So, I'm just

[1:24:32] » Of that, only 10% can be used for reconstruction.

[1:24:36] » All right. So, anyway,

[1:24:39] so I believe we we have to pursue we have to pursue

[1:24:43] whatever grants we can get, okay? Unless the unless the council's willing to

[1:24:48] give us non-matching funds. >> That's my next

[1:24:51] next thing to talk about. >> So, I

[1:24:56] I I make I make a motion we sign the paperwork and

[1:25:01] and have them pursue with the understanding they can't go over our

[1:25:06] amount of professional services money that we're allowed to spend.

[1:25:09] Okay.

[1:25:16] » I mean, I don't I don't stop with them. I don't see if we got another option.

[1:25:19] » I mean, okay.

[1:25:23] Need a vote. >> I.

[1:25:24] » I. >> All in favor, I.

[1:25:28] » Okay. So, I'll take care of that.

[1:25:32] Bring this to you. And just make sure I got this done.

[1:25:37] » [snorts and clears throat]

[1:25:43] » When it comes to the matching funds, there's two routes.

[1:25:48] The Indiana County Surveyors Association is a big proponent of establishing a

[1:25:53] general drainage fund. And then getting the council, the

[1:25:58] commissioners, economic development, redevelopment,

[1:26:04] county farm, whoever to kick money in and build a cash reserve up into that

[1:26:09] fund that is administered by the council

[1:26:14] and that the council would loan the drainage board

[1:26:17] to come up with matching funds. And then

[1:26:21] the assessment from the landowners plus

[1:26:26] would be based on that and and we would repay that county fund at

[1:26:31] whatever the the fee is plus interest for however many years it takes

[1:26:38] to pay that cash balance off to the county.

[1:26:42] The advantage of doing that is number one

[1:26:46] we're paying interest back to the county. We're not paying it to a bank

[1:26:50] somewhere. The other advantage is Indiana Land Bank

[1:26:55] and most of these uh firms who are doing drainage loans

[1:27:01] are a maximum 5-year term.

[1:27:07] But Craig, who's the attorney for the council, is a strong proponent of bonds

[1:27:15] and issuing bonds. I don't know combination short-term

[1:27:19] long-term bonds. And I'm not exactly sure what the terms

[1:27:23] are on those. He's done a lot of those for the city Terre Haute and oh, he did

[1:27:28] it for Dana for the water for the Dana got the new water tower.

[1:27:32] I think that he did it for Dana water tower and things like that.

[1:27:36] Uh so, to raise cash for the matching funds doing

[1:27:41] bonds. Now, to go through the bonds they you got a lot of legal fees that

[1:27:47] goes with writing the bonds up, issuing the bonds, marketing the bonds,

[1:27:52] administering the bonds and all that kind of stuff.

[1:27:59] And also uh also I don't know that we actually have any

[1:28:03] money in the TIF fund that is there yet. Do we know?

[1:28:09] Cuz there's not been [clears throat] any investment there yet.

[1:28:12] » Is that a 74 area? >> Yeah, there's no there's no TIFF revenue

[1:28:15] coming in. >> There's no there's no money there. So,

[1:28:16] that's not >> It's been It's been no no no incremental

[1:28:18] taxable properties. >> So, that's not nothing we can count on.

[1:28:22] » We'd like to get some development up there by the way, Scott.

[1:28:25] » Hey, if we don't get rid of the water, ain't nobody going to go over there.

[1:28:28] » Yeah, that's that's the reason I'm coming to the meetings.

[1:28:30] » So,

[1:28:34] what I would probably do, depending on what MEC

[1:28:39] says, uh is come back to the board and ask

[1:28:42] that the board to to make a formal request of the council

[1:28:48] to do bonds or to do the general revenue bonds or

[1:28:52] whatever part of we decide to come up with as

[1:28:56] matching funds.

[1:28:59] The one girl that I really thought was going to jump on this for writing the

[1:29:04] grant, she says you need to figure at least 25%.

[1:29:10] matching funds. But, a lot of cases,

[1:29:15] that's too much. But, if you have any kind of federal

[1:29:19] money mixed in with that, sometimes that gets cleared out to 50% match.

[1:29:27] So, uh

[1:29:31] anyway, just so you know that when I send in my budget for 2027, which was

[1:29:36] due last week, they gave me permission to

[1:29:40] to turn it in before the end of the month because of

[1:29:43] this meeting. >> [clears throat]

[1:29:45] » I'm going to have to come up with a

[1:29:49] estimate for that matching funds. So, it sounds

[1:29:53] like it's going to be 3.2 million. 25% of the 3.2 million.

[1:30:01] So, I'm going to be requesting So, when it comes time to present the

[1:30:06] budget to the council. I may need some uh

[1:30:09] few uh board members to come with me.

[1:30:13] The more people we have, the better show we got.

[1:30:17] Okay.

[1:30:20] Uh

[1:30:24] Anybody got questions on any of that?

[1:30:28] » Do you have a backup plan? >> Well,

[1:30:34] Clinton County >> Wait till we get the matching funds for

[1:30:38] this deal. >> Yeah. Clinton County has done some deals

[1:30:43] where the individual land owners

[1:30:47] have financed it.

[1:30:51] Uh that's my

[1:30:53] And I'm Yeah,

[1:30:54] just hang on. I'm [laughter] dying. Don't have a heart attack.

[1:30:59] » [clears throat] >> Uh

[1:31:01] in return >> [snorts]

[1:31:02] » uh for uh some abatement, but they were doing

[1:31:05] smaller, you know,

[1:31:08] projects. But that there is some

[1:31:12] some things that other counties have done out there

[1:31:16] uh and until we know what these guys

[1:31:21] can come up with for us, I really don't know what the plan B will be.

[1:31:25] » You don't have an idea. >> It's going to take a long time to

[1:31:27] collect enough assessments to do it. >> Yeah.

[1:31:30] » $2,500 a year. >> That's [clears throat] exactly right.

[1:31:34] » So his grandkids still qualify. >> I'm not worried about that. I'm not

[1:31:38] worried about it. >> So it's it's not a problem.

[1:31:40] » [clears throat] [snorts]

[1:31:42] » I don't think so.

[1:31:45] » What are you wanting from us, I guess is what I'm trying to

[1:31:47] » Nothing yet. I'm just laying the groundwork.

[1:31:51] » Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter]

[1:31:52] » He's just telling you you're going to show up to a meeting and ask for

[1:31:54] $800,000. >> Okay.

[1:31:57] Uh the other thing is the update on the reestablishing the Rausch Drain.

[1:32:03] Um The city of Danville, I met with their

[1:32:07] engineers. They're all on board. They'll help us do whatever it is we need to do.

[1:32:11] And that's north of the 1500 goes through Allensworth.

[1:32:17] 1550 >> Is that the big up and that's across the

[1:32:20] 136 or is that the one that goes west across?

[1:32:23] » That's the one right there right there by um

[1:32:27] AC deal across >> So, it goes across 300, right?

[1:32:29] » It goes across >> Okay, that's what I thought. That's what

[1:32:31] I thought. I was just making sure.

[1:32:34] » Um As soon as you go south of that road,

[1:32:38] Danville Township guys won't return your call. They won't answer an email. They

[1:32:42] sent them certified letters. So,

[1:32:46] when we get to that point, I I'm not sure. I did

[1:32:50] I I asked the judge and the prosecutor said, "Have you ever dealt with anybody

[1:32:54] on the other side of the state line? How do you How do you get their attention?"

[1:32:58] And basically, Judge Reed said, "Well, there's not a whole lot you can do

[1:33:03] unless they flood you. If they flood you, you can take them to

[1:33:06] court. You can ask for damages."

[1:33:10] » That'd be federal court? Is this the >> The The county court.

[1:33:15] That'd be That'd be causing damages in our county.

[1:33:18] » Okay. >> I've tried I've talked to the Army Corps

[1:33:20] of Engineers and unless it's a natural waterway, they they really don't don't

[1:33:25] want to get messed don't want to touch it.

[1:33:27] » empties into >> Eventually, it gets to the

[1:33:30] Um oh, the other thing Danville wanted to know about that is I did

[1:33:36] send the coordinates for every bridge on that creek all the way down to the Big

[1:33:40] Vermilion River right across the road from my house, actually. It comes in.

[1:33:45] Uh and uh DNR did send me their

[1:33:48] What do I call you that was? Flow flow rate, something like that.

[1:33:52] » yeah. >> Flow rates at each bridge. So, we know

[1:33:55] how much water that creek can take when it comes time to

[1:33:58] design that thing. >> Is that creek continuously running?

[1:34:02] » Oh, it's not. >> It's jurisdictional.

[1:34:05] It falls under the US Army Corps of Engineers.

[1:34:08] » Yeah. >> If it's a if it has a high water mark,

[1:34:10] it's jurisdictional. >> Yeah, but the legal drain, once it dumps

[1:34:13] into that creek, yes. The The creek starts at the end of the legal drain.

[1:34:17] » Right. The creek is jurisdictional. >> But the DNR thought that the legal drain

[1:34:20] was part of the creek and it's not and I've sent them the paperwork.

[1:34:25] » I don't think he has some >> That was the core of engineers.

[1:34:28] » Yeah. >> It's an open ditch and the Corps of

[1:34:30] Engineers says if the ditch or the tile was there before the it was declared a

[1:34:34] wetland by DNR, it's a regulated drain.

[1:34:38] » Period. >> No, there's no gray areas on that.

[1:34:43] » Okay. >> Uh

[1:34:48] » [laughter] >> Next thing, uh

[1:34:51] With all the rain, I've been called out on

[1:34:55] all kinds of silly road ditches

[1:34:58] flooding and I had I've noticed there's been some culverts put in that is

[1:35:04] wrong size. I'm not an engineer and I can look at things wrong.

[1:35:08] Uh and so I got to thinking, well,

[1:35:12] the the county road supervisors are supposed to be the ones that are

[1:35:16] supposed to size that and get permission to put culverts in.

[1:35:21] And those guys are pretty good. They've got a lot of years of experience, but

[1:35:24] they're not engineers. And so our building inspector is a civil

[1:35:28] engineer and I gave him a copy of our ordinance and asked him look at

[1:35:33] and see if he would consider, as he's just doing his normal

[1:35:37] uh building inspections, uh

[1:35:41] look at culverts on driveways and

[1:35:45] and just kind of keep an eye on it. Let's, you know,

[1:35:48] let us know if there's something just not right. His only reluctance in doing

[1:35:53] that is says he's From an engineering standpoint, he

[1:35:56] really didn't want to carry a transit before he goes.

[1:36:00] But well, I don't know where you can use that or use the GIS elevations.

[1:36:06] So, we're kind of kicking that idea around.

[1:36:09] Okay. >> You would also have to model those

[1:36:11] culverts. >> Yeah.

[1:36:12] » For the 10-year storm. >> Yeah.

[1:36:14] » So, he needs to establish the watershed for each culvert.

[1:36:17] » Well, I did you know what you have to write. There you go. [laughter]

[1:36:22] » Send it my way. >> I will.

[1:36:25] Okay. Two other things that's been on the back

[1:36:29] burner for quite a while. Um

[1:36:34] Several of the of the surveyor meetings and the watershed meetings that I've

[1:36:38] been to, they're really taking exception to recycled plastic being used

[1:36:45] exposed in field tile. But

[1:36:48] Now, I don't know if that's a problem for field tile, but if it is exposed,

[1:36:54] is that something that we want to add to our ordinance to say, "Hey, you can't

[1:36:57] use recycled plastic on the discharge end of tile?"

[1:37:02] » Are you doing slides? I can talk about the whole project in here.

[1:37:05] » Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a problem.

[1:37:06] » Because the sunlight >> is it's a public

[1:37:08] » The sunlight I guess the sunlight deteriorates and really makes it

[1:37:12] brittle. >> [clears throat]

[1:37:13] » Makes it brittle and it breaks off real easy.

[1:37:16] Is that something that we should add to the

[1:37:20] » Probably for private. >> If it is, I'll I'll work on verbage and

[1:37:23] send it to you guys and we can look at it in a month or two.

[1:37:27] » But you talk about private tile too, Ron.

[1:37:30] You know, why would you have jurisdiction?

[1:37:33] » Not on private tile. It wouldn't be private.

[1:37:36] » Well, maybe just because >> Because it's not going to be public.

[1:37:39] » Yeah. >> Just say anything on public public land.

[1:37:42] » Or Are you talking like a culvert or you

[1:37:45] talking like an actual >> Well, if if the tile is going to dump

[1:37:49] out into a a creek

[1:37:51] » Yeah. >> the end of it exposed can't be

[1:37:55] » Yeah. >> recycled plastic. It has to be

[1:37:58] And that brings us to the next thing that they are advocating is that the

[1:38:02] last 20 ft of any tile that dumps into a creek

[1:38:06] or waterway [clears throat] needs to be steel. What do they call it?

[1:38:10] Because of all the field fires we've had and they've got problems with tile

[1:38:14] melting. >> Is that concrete?

[1:38:18] Steel's going to rot. It's going to deteriorate.

[1:38:20] » Is that something that you want that I should work on and put that in

[1:38:24] » And 20 ft seems a little excessive. >> You're talking new

[1:38:28] new >> Yeah, you don't have to go back and

[1:38:30] re-fix anything. Anything new to them needs to be the last 20 ft or 10

[1:38:35] » So, okay, here's another question. So, you're saying

[1:38:37] » Well, if you've got an open ditch, that's county main.

[1:38:40] » Yeah. >> So, you're saying

[1:38:42] He wants to go put in a new 6 or 8 you want him to put in

[1:38:46] but he always runs recycled. You want him his outlet to be

[1:38:51] » They need to be concrete or steel. >> Okay. I'm just clarifying that I

[1:38:55] understand what we're all talking about.

[1:38:57] » So, the field fires don't melt them. >> I don't know. I've burned a lot of

[1:39:02] ditches up and not melted all of them, so

[1:39:04] I don't know about I burned that one a couple years ago.

[1:39:08] It didn't melt all of it. I mean, it all depends on how long it's going to burn.

[1:39:11] » So, and how fast the wind's blowing. >> So, does the drainage board have to fix

[1:39:16] them if they get melted off or is it the farmer?

[1:39:18] » Yeah, the farmer. >> Uh

[1:39:25] I want plastic outlets. >> I do, too. So, if the county's not in

[1:39:29] charge to fix them >> And I'm We're just saying that it goes

[1:39:33] into county or a natural creek or that >> If the pipe itself is a county pipe

[1:39:40] I say it's fine. Like this one we're discussing now. If

[1:39:45] the ditch is the county's jurisdiction, then I say it's up to whoever's

[1:39:49] installed. That's my opinion on it.

[1:39:53] » They're wanting They're suggesting that we say, "Hey, it it has to be

[1:39:57] » If you're tied into this ditch, you need to do this."

[1:39:59] » Yeah, if you're tied, yeah. Is that something you want me to do?

[1:40:02] » I don't know. >> Okay.

[1:40:04] » In Illinois, we don't have that cuz I can show you I mean, we've got

[1:40:07] » Now, this just did >> I know. I know. I'm just saying I got

[1:40:09] one huge ass open ditch in Illinois that This street has got everything.

[1:40:13] » This recycle stuff and this concrete on discharging just came out of the last

[1:40:17] meeting, so What they're saying is when when the

[1:40:21] at the outflow, if it starts breaking down, it's going to cause erosion and

[1:40:24] you're going to lose the side of your ditch and everything else.

[1:40:27] » That's that's same way with >> It's going to drain in that, fixing the

[1:40:31] side of the ditch and everything is on us to fix.

[1:40:33] » Okay. >> Just preventing those issues.

[1:40:35] » Yeah.

[1:40:37] » So, is that something you want me to add to

[1:40:40] or do you want me to want me to put that in the ordinance?

[1:40:43] » I'll put something together and at a meeting down the road, we'll talk about

[1:40:47] it, I guess, is what I'm my >> Okay.

[1:40:51] » Uh I don't know. Wait. I've I've printed

[1:40:55] off of where we're at on the drainage board

[1:40:58] budget, if anybody wants a copy. Got it here and and what I'm going to

[1:41:02] request for next year. Um

[1:41:06] The couple items I left out last year was, you know,

[1:41:10] uh I'm required by law to do these mailings, but they didn't give me money

[1:41:15] to print the letters out, you know.

[1:41:18] Uh and uh the same way with the reg- with the registered mail. Every time you

[1:41:22] send a registered letter, it's eight or nine bucks.

[1:41:25] » yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:41:25] » Five dollars, probably. >> And you know, so if you go to mail in

[1:41:29] 30, 40 letters, that adds up pretty quick.

[1:41:31] » Well, they didn't put any line item like they did last

[1:41:33] » So, we'll go and ask Um

[1:41:39] » So, that's all I got. So, if you guys want a copy of this, I'll give it to

[1:41:42] you.

[1:41:44] And that's That's all I got. Okay.

[1:41:48] So, what I want to say the only one I think probably is the That's local

[1:41:52] median income or something that means the same thing.

[1:41:55] » It's local median income. >> Okay. And we're looking for the low

[1:41:58] income. Yeah. That's the That's the reasons within the county that some some

[1:42:02] high, some low. >> Your grant will stay there if you have

[1:42:04] low income. >> All right. So, that that leads me to to

[1:42:07] a meeting I'm going to coming up. I need to do some more research. It's one of

[1:42:11] the stacks on my desk I did not get through today, but I wasn't anticipating

[1:42:16] coming up here, but it does fit right in. It segues in

[1:42:19] uh opportunity zones. It's opportunity for incentive

[1:42:24] investment uh for for low and medium income areas.

[1:42:28] In May County, there is one currently that we have and that is pretty much

[1:42:33] city of Clinton. There's no other areas that that are

[1:42:37] identified within the county. And I think this this meeting is going to be

[1:42:41] Are there any other suggestions you'd like to have? And Scott can he can he

[1:42:45] pull this stuff up? So, he's he's looking at it as well. So, if you have

[1:42:49] any suggestions on areas that within the county that would be good economic uh

[1:42:55] opportunity zones, uh let me know. One of I'd like to get

[1:42:59] is is Bryce. 7,000 acres of of

[1:43:04] opportunity. >> Well, Lady Bird gets the first first

[1:43:08] area for development under the tip district. But, that's pretty poor.

[1:43:13] Yeah, it is. And there's

[1:43:16] » Have you heard of the 8A program? The number eight rather than 8A.

[1:43:21] » I'm not familiar with it. I'm not. >> Study up on it. Google it. Study up on

[1:43:25] it. The federal government does a study >> Say that again. The 8A program.

[1:43:29] » and identifies areas It's called 8A. Um it's uh disadvantaged areas.

[1:43:35] » Okay. >> And any companies that come into these

[1:43:38] areas and hire employees from these areas can get an 8A designation. And

[1:43:43] they have set-aside contracts just for 8A uh 8A companies.

[1:43:48] » You're sure you didn't have something I'm not sure what it's called, but

[1:43:51] federal contracting you have you you get first women owned various categories.

[1:43:55] » Yeah, but that is another category. >> Yes.

[1:43:57] » Which was a economic opportunity so category. So yeah, I would look at that

[1:44:02] up. >> Yeah, the 8A is that economic category

[1:44:04] and it is the most sought after.

[1:44:08] Um >> That's why I think that the Rise

[1:44:10] Megapark and that would be ideal.

[1:44:13] » Uh ownership is important unfortunately. >> Yeah, there's no population there is. So

[1:44:18] » Yeah. >> Well, the Harley dealership and

[1:44:21] Budweiser dealership and Danville and they'll have about women owned

[1:44:24] dealership. Harley way.

[1:44:27] And women didn't pay the taxes on the on the either business both of them are

[1:44:31] women owned up there now. >> I thought the Budweiser one was just

[1:44:33] selling too many drugs. >> [laughter]

[1:44:36] » No, the old lady she owned three uh

[1:44:40] card shops. >> And the Harley was used to

[1:44:42] » Hallmark it was nothing like that. >> She owned three Hallmark shops.

[1:44:46] And she was taking the tax money from the Budweiser dealership and paying for

[1:44:50] the other Hallmark stores.

[1:44:55] » Which has no income unless it's Christmas or

[1:44:57] » Yeah. >> something.

[1:44:58] » Raffle. >> And government business with that.

[1:45:01] » But they're not paying what they owe and we'll put a padlock on your door.

[1:45:04] » Yes, they will. I believe that's what happened now

[1:45:08] Here I am on the camera saying that. >> I don't know.

[1:45:10] » I don't know either.

[1:45:13] » All right, are you ready for a motion? >> We're ready for a motion.

[1:45:20] » [snorts]

[1:45:28] » Okay, now I some extra packets laying around.

[1:45:32] Thanks, guys. >> Thank you, everyone.

[1:45:37] » You don't need anything from me. >> [snorts]

[1:45:39] » You just tell me which way you're going to end up going.

[1:45:43] Right now, I have no action items until You guys have the funding and you decide

[1:45:48] what you want >> [snorts]

[1:45:51] » Right, right, right. >> And you got paid.

[1:45:54] » I appreciate that. >> What about you?

[1:46:00] » I hope you're happy.

[1:46:03] » Yeah.

[1:46:06] » And all that lined up on paper is a lot cheaper than

[1:46:11] backup. >> Cheap on paper.

[1:46:14] » So, I'm going to go on hold on through the board's decision of which way you

[1:46:17] guys want to go.

[1:46:20] » Yep. >> That's right.

[1:46:22] » Yes. >> Thank you.

[1:46:24] » Thank you, orders.

[1:46:28] So, now, what is your last name now? >> Uh I haven't changed it on paper yet, so

[1:46:33] it's currently still Robinson. >> Is it going to be hyphenated?

[1:46:37] » No, it's going to be Allen. >> You go from Robinson to Allen?

[1:46:43] That's the same name, Brian. >> Basically, yes.

[1:46:46] Nobody changes them. >> Like if you went from a clan rock or

[1:46:49] something, like hey, you went Irish.

[1:46:53] Filipino. >> No, we're just plain white people.

[1:46:56] » Yeah. You went from a clan rock to Allen.

[1:46:58] » Allen Perry equipment. >> They have to

[1:47:02] tractor Robinson

[1:47:04] tractor pull >> All back.

[1:47:06] » Still streaming? >> Yes, yes.

[1:47:09] » We shut that off. >> You can probably turn the lights out, I

[1:47:13] mean. You're allowed.

[1:47:20] If he wants to sit and watch us discuss >> If you want me be a

[1:47:25] child then you

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