[0:00] I think it's a good idea. >> So, we're going to ask.

[0:03] » Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:07] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the

[0:12] Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:17] liberty and justice for all.

[0:26] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the August 18th, 2016 meeting of the

[0:30] Patchogue Village Zoning Board of Appeals.

[0:33] The first application will be a new application at a 20

[0:39] » Uh, sorry. >> Yeah, it's okay.

[0:43] 20 Medford Ave LLC seeks permission to demolish an existing multi-tenant office

[0:47] building and construct a two-story motor vehicle sales building.

[0:50] Going on Leaf 435-28-13, special permit is required for motor

[0:55] vehicle sales. It lies Leaf 435-33,

[1:00] the parking stalls are required 9 by 20, provided 9 by 18 for display vehicles.

[1:06] Also requires Leaf 435-31-A8, 105 parking spaces required, provided

[1:12] 46. Subject premises are located in the D1

[1:16] business zone. Is the applicant or representative

[1:19] thereof?

[1:26] Welcome. >> Good evening.

[1:30] » Kindly state your name and address for the record.

[1:33] » Eric Crew. >> Thank you.

[1:34] » And you have a certificate of that up? >> Yep.

[1:38] » Yes. >> J. Timothy Shay, Jr. Shapell & Down, 100

[1:42] Motor Parkway, Hauppauge, New York, for the applicant.

[1:45] Joined by Mike Biancaniello, who is senior grade there

[1:50] He's the site engineer. Who may come up if there's any questions

[1:54] that I can't answer. And Ethan Schuss. He's going to have to say it. I I had it

[1:59] before. Robert Shikowski. Yeah, he was our traffic and parking

[2:03] engineer and who did the parking for the parts of the the application.

[2:09] Uh We have an easel, but we could not make

[2:13] the third leg work. So, I apologize. I just hope

[2:17] » So, we have a two easel. >> Yes, we have a a perspective of

[2:22] So, uh

[2:24] So, I'll just leave it here and hope that

[2:26] you can see it and then I'll lift it up to you as I go along with you.

[2:29] » Yeah, we can wonder if members of the public can see it. So,

[2:32] we have an easel in the building. Uh

[2:36] Oh, ours is broken.

[2:40] So, We're doing great, Jim, aren't we?

[2:43] » We take our two legs.

[2:46] Okay, here we are. Uh so,

[2:50] » Uh let's see. Members of the board, if that board was here,

[2:55] then you guys see it? >> This first board is really just so that

[2:59] you get an idea of what the rendering would be.

[3:02] » Okay, if you could if you could just turn it to the public as well.

[3:09] » I'll just have you take take a quick look at it because I don't think it was

[3:12] in your original package. Uh to give you a visual, you know,

[3:15] sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

[3:18] Uh so, we feel that would be one of those times. Uh so, the the site in

[3:21] question is uh former Long Island Bank, aka the

[3:25] building on the west side of 12 Boston Post Road in that avenue.

[3:29] Um two

[3:32] lots north of Concord Highway is the Commerce former Commerce Bank, TD

[3:37] Bank, which is directly south of us. The glass store will be directly north of

[3:41] us. The current building on the site is

[3:44] 16,212 uh feet on a single story. So, that's

[3:49] the whole footprint. So, the footprint takes up a

[3:51] large part almost 1/3 of the building's in fact a little bit

[3:55] over 1/3 of the of the property side which is 41,002

[4:00] sq ft. The property feeds on B1 which would

[4:05] allow for a special exception for the car dealership.

[4:09] The application before you is for the special exception for motor vehicle

[4:12] sales and two-part variances.

[4:16] One for 46 stalls where 105 were required

[4:21] and the second is for the size 12 stalls that will be located along the street

[4:27] frontage as vehicle display. Those are going to

[4:30] be small park parked cars that will remain

[4:35] there so that people can come and actually see the car possibly test drive

[4:39] it. And those will be along the street

[4:41] frontage at on 112. The variance is instead of a 9

[4:47] by 20 stall, we're looking for a 9 by 18 stall. These cars are not going to be

[4:53] moving very often. They're going to be there for display and when we do test

[4:59] drives, they're going to have obviously have a sales person there to watch the

[5:02] vehicles out and make sure there's no issues.

[5:06] The proposed building which I showed you running up is a two-story

[5:10] building with a open ceiling to the front. Okay,

[5:14] so you'll have like a large glass window up front

[5:18] and there will be within the footprint that we probably create

[5:24] that uh with the awning.

[5:29] Okay. Okay, which is in your packet. Okay,

[5:32] which is in your packet.

[5:36] This is the floor plan. I'll show it to the audience

[5:39] momentarily. So, the larger of two footprints is the

[5:43] ground floor. And the ground floor will have cars

[5:46] inside up front. And then there's a reception area,

[5:50] lounge area, office space for sales including a sales

[5:55] manager, restrooms, uh

[5:57] and again, the the front half of the building is actually going to be open

[6:02] air. It's going to go to the almost the same ceiling, not quite.

[6:06] And uh

[6:07] it gives better lighting and a better visual when you walk in. And you it's

[6:10] the typical car dealership uh template of these days. The second floor will be

[6:16] in the back above the downstairs offices, there will be

[6:20] upstairs offices uh for the accounting department, which will be approximately

[6:25] four to five people, file cabinets, controller's office,

[6:29] conference room, uh

[6:32] break room for people who uh you know, have lunch or whatever, restrooms, etc.

[6:38] So, uh give you an idea of what we're looking at here as far as inside the

[6:42] building. That is

[6:45] And if you show this to people right here that want to take a

[6:48] look at it, please feel free to come up and take a look at it as far as I'm

[6:51] concerned. It's open book.

[6:53] Uh So, the current site

[6:57] use utilizes an easement to the north uh for their driveway access. Actually,

[7:02] their curb cut is north of their property line.

[7:05] Uh in doing title we determined that that

[7:08] really wasn't shouldn't be the way it should be. And what we ended up doing

[7:13] was working with New York State DOT to move that curb cut a little to the south

[7:18] to our property line. And the site plan will have a single circulation around

[7:23] the building with circulation up front. So, you'll have the 12 stalls along the

[7:27] street frontage around 112, which is part of the variance.

[7:33] And by doing all that we've done, we've

[7:36] actually resulted in reducing the footprint of the building

[7:41] by 57%. So, it's gone from a 16,000 square foot

[7:46] building down to a footprint of about 7,000 ft.

[7:51] The site will not be used for automotive repair. I think that's a very important

[7:55] distinction here. Um or the storage of motor vehicles

[7:59] including new motor vehicles other than those that are on display.

[8:03] Our client has already purchased a property um on Station Road in Yaphank

[8:09] which is 10 minutes away that they're going to utilize for all of their car

[8:13] storage for their inventory. Um we are in the process of site

[8:19] planning Town of Brookhaven. Um

[8:22] the zoning is appropriate. So, it will be granted in some form but

[8:28] we're very confident that that gives us plenty of room for our our car storage.

[8:33] The other important part of that is that there will be no car carriers delivering

[8:40] new cars to the site. So, you won't have the same problems

[8:44] that we all know happens with car dealers in

[8:48] that sometimes especially on 112 I've heard

[8:51] that they go to the median and drop off the cars and disrupt traffic that other

[8:56] dealers do not this one. So, there will be none of that. If

[9:00] somebody wants to see a specific car that is not located on the lot and they

[9:07] want to have There is a a It's going to be a prep and

[9:11] storage facility. There will be employees there. It's a phone call.

[9:16] We'd like you to bring the red Honda Accord Hybrid down for a customer. They

[9:22] jump in the car and they will drive car and it'll just be like any other

[9:25] passenger car coming down. There'll be no car carrier on 112 to supply us.

[9:36] Let's see. I With regard to the uh

[9:41] the parking variance with the number of parking stalls.

[9:44] Um I think you had a similar hearing with the former partner Al Silverpoint a

[9:48] while ago. Uh so the village code of the Village

[9:53] Patchogue does not make differentiation between different types of uses with

[9:57] regard to parking. It's one per 150 sq ft throughout the village itself.

[10:03] Um and not making differentiation for

[10:06] different types of uses. In this case most towns have different formulas for

[10:11] different types of uses that range upon the impacts that they've seen over past

[10:16] history. Um the closest comparison I'll make is

[10:19] Town of Brookhaven because obviously it abuts the Village Patchogue. Uh and in

[10:25] Town of Brookhaven the parking code for car dealerships is one stall per 1,000

[10:29] sq ft. And uh also an additional stall at one

[10:34] per 300 sq ft for employees. Uh so this would mean if we were under

[10:39] the Town of Brookhaven code there would be a base of 12 stalls under that

[10:44] 1,000 one per 1,000. Um because it's an 11,000 sq ft building

[10:50] two stories. Uh

[10:52] plus an additional 37 and 1/2 stalls for the employees at the ratio of one

[10:59] per 300 ft. And that would be 47 or 48 stalls

[11:04] depending on whether you want to round up.

[11:06] We all know we all round up when it's

[11:11] uh when it's to the benefit of the village or the town.

[11:16] Still we're providing 46 stalls. So under the Brookhaven Town bill the

[11:20] code we would have a very minor variance.

[11:24] Um and even if we didn't count the 12

[11:27] displaced stalls which we obviously will be counting but again there's no

[11:33] differentiation in the village code. Uh that would be we would still have 36

[11:40] stalls where 46, which would be uh

[11:44] less than a 30% variance. Um

[11:47] so we think that under the circumstances and type of use we have that

[11:53] the the the relaxation with the number of stalls and the percentage is in

[11:58] keeping with the type of uses that we see on an

[12:01] everyday basis. Uh under the village code code, the base

[12:06] would be 75 stalls with an additional 30 for peak employment.

[12:10] Uh so it drives to a 105 total stalls.

[12:15] Uh this would be a 56% variance, which uh based upon prior uh hearings, it

[12:22] would appear to be within the range of what the board has either previously

[12:26] felt comfortable with, uh although they did not grant it on the prior

[12:30] application. It was within the decision itself that they thought that if we

[12:35] blocked off a certain amount of square footage to arrive at 56%,

[12:39] uh that the board viewed this more favorably.

[12:42] Um again, further

[12:46] the town code and other codes don't

[12:50] necessarily take into account a dealership without service.

[12:55] This is a very unique situation where it will be only sales and no service.

[13:00] Um

[13:05] now I want to talk about the specific with regard to the employees here

[13:09] because I think that's an also a very important consideration when talking

[13:12] about parking variance. Um

[13:15] in reality, there'll be 25, approximately 25 people stationed at

[13:20] this particular site. And there are shifts, and it will

[13:25] rarely, if ever, you'll ever see 25 people there at the same time as

[13:29] employees. They have uh 12 sales people,

[13:34] four managers on different shifts, five office staff that will be there

[13:39] Monday to Friday with one person of the office staff

[13:44] coming in on Saturdays. And then they have four BDC staff, which is the the

[13:50] scheduling, uh calling to the scheduling people to come

[13:53] in to either view a car or, more likely, to

[13:57] actually do their purchase. When they come in and do all the paperwork, and

[14:00] they're they sign documents and they actually purchase the vehicle.

[14:03] So, that that's 25 total. Spoke to client today, he said, "More

[14:08] likely than not, it'll be 20 or less on

[14:12] any particular time basis other than maybe a shift change where you might

[14:16] have them for a very short period of time together."

[14:19] Uh

[14:25] Let's see. With regard to uh special permit,

[14:30] special exception, um it's the the use is permitted in this

[14:35] zoning district. Uh it's not going to uh

[14:39] prevent reasonable use of neighboring properties. I would note for the record

[14:43] that immediately behind this property, it's

[14:45] very unusual set of circumstances. To the south and on Montauk Highway,

[14:50] there's a commercial center. Uh looks like about seven or six retail

[14:56] spots with the parking in front. They actually own a strip of land about

[15:02] 60 ft wide going north and south all the way up

[15:06] to the North Roadway. And so,

[15:11] that is part of their commercial property.

[15:14] And they've actually fenced off the portion of that property immediately

[15:20] behind this property. So, immediately to the west, there's a fence from that

[15:27] property owner and then a fence going east and west at the northerly part.

[15:34] Up here. Sorry.

[15:38] Get you oriented with east and west. Um so, that there's also a fence going this

[15:43] way east-west and a fence on this way going east-west. So, it is kind of it's

[15:48] it's completely isolated and fenced off. And as I said, it's in the title owner

[15:53] of the commercial property to the south. So, there's really no residential

[15:58] neighbors immediately to the our rear. >> So, it's not moving more west closer to

[16:04] the the residence over on >> No, we are holding our property line.

[16:08] Our site plan stays exactly where the Long Island fence

[16:11] » Okay. >> development ends.

[16:14] » Okay. >> Um

[16:18] It's within the character of the area. There's already fellowship across the

[16:21] street, which we talked about if needed. Uh

[16:25] We've worked with DOT with regard to traffic and we're very close to having a

[16:32] curb cut highway work permit done. Most of the technical aspects are are

[16:37] adhered to. If you want our traffic consultant to

[16:40] talk about that further, happy to do so.

[16:43] Um in this case, we've talked to the village already. The

[16:48] Long Island Advance building is serviced by septic.

[16:53] They're private owned. We are proposing to hook up to the

[16:57] Village of Patchogue sewage treatment plant. There's ongoing discussions

[17:01] between our site engineer and the village engineer with regard to that.

[17:06] Um again, there is uh no repairs going to occur on this

[17:10] property. So, won't be any you know,

[17:15] materials produced, any noxious odors. No

[17:19] It's going to close at normal business hours.

[17:21] So, there won't be any nighttime noise. Uh you're right on 112. Uh

[17:27] See what else.

[17:31] I think that based upon the evidence that we provided that uh we have more

[17:35] than adequate parking for the site. Uh

[17:38] not going to be any uh This The building will be a

[17:43] state-of-the-art building. It will have to be built

[17:46] uh pursuant to the 2026 International Building Code. They just passed a new

[17:52] version of that. Uh

[17:54] the drainage will have to be in accordance with all village

[17:57] uh requirements.

[17:59] Uh Again, we shrunk the uh footprint of the

[18:04] building and the overall size of the building, so there will be less crowding

[18:08] less crowding of land. Uh and the plot area is sufficient for

[18:12] our use. Uh

[18:15] As far as our knowledge, there's no church, school, theater, or recreational

[18:17] area anywhere in the vicinity. And certainly none that would be impacted by

[18:21] this. Uh

[18:23] That covers all of the criteria with regard to the special permit. And uh we

[18:28] would ask that you grant the application. I'm happy to answer any

[18:31] questions that you may have. >> Thank you, Tim. Thank you for your

[18:33] presentation. Couple of thoughts here. One, what is

[18:37] happening to you the dealership across the street?

[18:40] » So, I know what's coming up, but I figured I'd let you ask the questions.

[18:43] Um so, the dealership across the street is

[18:47] uh right now undergoing a site plan. That

[18:51] is going to be for repair

[18:54] and used car storage. Okay? So, there will be used cars stored there.

[19:00] Hopefully, Allison will be here the next hearing. She just had a conflict

[19:03] tonight, so I had to cover. >> Uh And where's used car sales?

[19:06] » So, there There's one person on the used car lot, maybe two,

[19:11] that out of those same 12. And they have the same 12 people.

[19:16] Uh so that people don't ever have to come back and forth. If somebody comes

[19:20] in >> That's what we're worried about, back

[19:22] and >> That's

[19:23] from the last hearing, from the looking at everything, we knew that that was a

[19:27] major issue. And that we In fact, we talked to Klein Brothers today, so that

[19:32] if there's somebody that says, I want a used car, they're going to stay there.

[19:36] If they say, "Hey, I I really would like a a new car." They can actually look on

[19:40] the computers at at the repair shop and try and pick something out. If perchance

[19:46] they wanted to uh uh see one of those cars, we would

[19:50] bring it from the new car dealership

[19:54] to the used car dealership. But it again, it it's going to be a very

[19:59] minuscule amount. Um we don't anticipate that there'll be

[20:03] a lot of that uh that kind of thing cuz you you really if

[20:06] you find if you want to come and get a new car, you made a plan.

[20:10] You know, you you kind of know what you want. You're going to the to the

[20:14] dealership. So, those people that are going to be shopping for new

[20:19] cars are going to go directly to the new car dealership.

[20:23] Um >> Okay. And then this application is only

[20:26] concentrating the 20 Methuen Ave. >> This is only for 20.

[20:29] » Has nothing to do with Clearview or the last or anything anything like that?

[20:33] » No. >> Okay.

[20:33] » No. >> Any good questions on the board?

[20:37] One?

[20:39] Oh, I'm sorry. >> I have a question.

[20:41] » Oh, switch your mic.

[20:45] » I can't even say the right name.

[20:50] » Testing. >> Yeah, thanks.

[20:52] » You failed, Faith.

[20:57] » Uh a question about the used car car dealership. Would that be like a Honda

[21:00] certified Toyota? >> It will it will be mostly Honda

[21:03] certified. They will take other the Be honest, I bought a I bought a new

[21:09] Honda. And but I traded in an older car, a

[21:12] different car. So, uh

[21:14] yeah. So, if they will take a trade-in.

[21:17] » But they're associated with each other as one company.

[21:19] » Yeah. Yes, and and it will be the same owners.

[21:23] » And it is the same people. >> It will still be Baron.

[21:26] Both sides. It'll be Baron.

[21:30] So, you'll have somebody to point the finger at if you ever have a problem.

[21:33] And Carol has my phone. She knows how to get me.

[21:38] » Okay. Any other questions from members of the

[21:41] board? Mr. Lamstein. >> Um the 11,251

[21:46] square feet that we're using for the parking calculation.

[21:49] » Yes. >> That's the ground floor area, correct?

[21:52] » No. The uh the footprint is about 7,000

[21:56] square feet, a little more than 7,000 square feet. I was doing the rough math

[22:01] earlier today. It's 92 by 75, and then there's a little

[22:06] out, which would be 6,700 square feet. That's the main part, and there's a

[22:10] couple of little out jogs, which I estimate can't be a total of more than

[22:15] 300. So, the 11,000 also includes the second floor office space.

[22:20] » Okay, cuz the uh site plan C301 indicates that it's the ground floor

[22:25] area, the GFA. >> That's gross floor area.

[22:29] » That's gross floor area. That's the entire building. That's not the gross

[22:31] » Gross. Okay, got it. Got it. Just making sure.

[22:35] » You got to be scared there for a second. >> You looked confused.

[22:38] Okay, we're good. Okay, so gross. >> Yes.

[22:41] » All right, got it.

[22:48] Um

[22:51] » I think that was pretty good. >> Yeah.

[22:54] » Any other questions from members of the board?

[22:59] Let me folks, excuse us one second. Any member of the public who would like

[23:03] to speak for or against this application?

[23:12] You better state your name and address.

[23:16] What's your name? >> Hi. So, I just said want to clarify. So,

[23:20] this strip of land that was this which which was a

[23:24] disputed not too long ago on another another application. That's not

[23:30] » impacted by at all. And I recall that the A&E Auto strip

[23:34] because that's what A&E Auto had to do back in the day. I think it was 1980 or

[23:39] 81. >> Okay.

[23:40] » And that piece goes from that shopping center all the way to Oakwood.

[23:44] » Right. Right. >> No, it's not part of this covenant.

[23:46] » Okay. So, this >> The covenant is in it. And A&E Auto had

[23:50] to do that at the time, by the way. >> Right. I was just saying although it's

[23:53] tempting to think they could be they could solve some of these issues. I

[23:57] remember Mr. Russo saying you know, along with the covenants.

[24:00] » Well, there was John Russo with me then. That was to protect the people on that

[24:04] back street, Grove Avenue. They were concerned. They Remember they they

[24:07] didn't want to see the lights. You know, and everything else. So, uh

[24:13] » Okay. So, this >> Yeah, they got to keep that buffer.

[24:17] » So, they have 46 spots seven of this and

[24:22] they need how many actually under the law?

[24:24] » According to the Drake Village parking lot code

[24:27] 8105. >> Which is a what? 50

[24:30] » 52. >> Okay. So, traditionally that's not a

[24:33] figure that the board has just handed out to any applicant in the past that

[24:36] I'm aware of. >> Yep. Not at all.

[24:39] » Um However, you know, let's go back to the

[24:42] Waverly Avenue application.

[24:45] There, if I can get this correct in my mind, the traffic engineer both the

[24:51] independent one and the one from the applicant

[24:55] was able to prove that even though their numbers were

[25:01] high, actually the

[25:04] parameters of the law >> All right.

[25:07] » So, my question here would be, does that exist in this application? So, we have

[25:10] » You're probably going to ask the traffic engineer to at least collaborate that.

[25:13] Okay. But,

[25:15] uh what they are saying and their discussion and what they put on the

[25:19] record was is that in the town of Brookhaven,

[25:23] they are real close to what this building required if it

[25:27] wasn't a village code and we would adopt the town code, the relief, if any, would

[25:33] be minimal. >> Right.

[25:34] » So, the town feels that the the piece works.

[25:38] Just our code, that's what we do. >> Right. That's we're not in the town.

[25:41] » We're not in the town. We are the village.

[25:43] » The village of Patchogue. So, just keep that in mind.

[25:47] All right. So, that's That's my only thinking about this is if if we get be

[25:52] consistent with that decision and get some information that this actually

[25:56] meets it, somehow does fit the requirements, and you can give them 52%

[26:01] or whatever it is, >> Yeah.

[26:02] » then it makes sense because obviously it looks like they have a nice building.

[26:06] Um the improvement is usually

[26:10] um so, there's there's nothing really to object to say in that sense.

[26:14] And it's that much of much of the traffic engineer.

[26:17] » Yeah. Um we're going to get that clarified. But, thank you. Thank you for

[26:20] that job.

[26:22] Any other member of the public who would like to speak for or against the

[26:26] application? >> Well,

[26:28] » Mr. Shave, you can just come up and if you can bring the Do you have a traffic

[26:31] gentleman with you? >> No, absolutely. And apparently he has

[26:33] parking for the meeting. I forgot to hand in that he can hand

[26:37] » Here you go. Thank Correct corroborates that.

[26:41] » Well, at least we claim it corroborates what we said.

[26:43] » You can hand that and we can take Unless you want a job here, too.

[26:48] » I need the exercise. >> If you could so nice to state your name

[26:50] and address for the record. >> Sure.

[26:52] Ethan Cikowsky with TPD Engineering, offices at 275

[26:57] Broad Hollow Road, Melville, New York. >> Welcome.

[27:00] » Thank you. Uh

[27:01] so yes, we did do a a traffic and parking study at uh for the subject

[27:06] development, specifically for this application at 20 Bethpage Avenue.

[27:12] Um

[27:14] Specifically as it relates to the parking, uh

[27:17] I will first of all collaborate with uh

[27:21] uh Mr. Shay said about the town code. I looked into those areas myself and and

[27:25] and agree with everything that he said. Uh but we also look at when we do

[27:30] traffic studies, we look at the actual parking demand for any given use. Uh as

[27:35] he as you may know, um we typically use the Institute of Transportation

[27:40] Engineers uh parking generation manual. Uh they publish parking generation

[27:45] studies uh conducted uh for a variety of uses.

[27:49] We use that empirical data to uh uh project what uh the parking demand

[27:55] would be at any given use. Uh

[27:58] For this, we look at land use code 840, automobile sales new. Uh we found that

[28:04] for the size of this particular center, it would be um

[28:08] a peak demand of 26 parked cars uh really at the midday.

[28:12] Um you know,

[28:14] it's a dealership, so people are going in the afternoon, on their lunch breaks,

[28:18] and you know, on Saturdays. We closer to the midday on Saturday or the weekend.

[28:23] Um We find that reduces the traffic demand

[28:27] on the uh commuter peak hours, the morning and

[28:30] evening peaks compared to other users, uh especially the the current use, which

[28:34] is a office building, and it's going to have a peak traffic demand uh during

[28:38] this commuter peak hours. Um So so based on our research and and

[28:43] reviewing the the data published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers,

[28:47] we find that there's sufficient parking on site

[28:50] to accommodate the demand, especially given that there's no auto service

[28:55] facilities at this particular location. Many of the studies do that point

[29:00] recently.

[29:03] Happy to answer any questions. >> Yeah, and if it's not a purview of this

[29:08] board, the in the egress, you know, the in and the out type of thing.

[29:12] » Yes. >> But you don't feel that there'll be any

[29:14] increased traffic as a result of this? Uh it's going to be everything or every

[29:19] bit of what the office building does now.

[29:22] » Correct. And actually, we in our calculations, we found a reduction in

[29:25] traffic for those those peak hours in the morning, the commuter peak hours,

[29:29] you know, morning and evening. It's actually less

[29:32] traffic. You just have a few employees coming in for their shift. And those,

[29:37] you know, customers are coming more in the afternoon hours.

[29:40] Um We also have

[29:43] uh uh submitted the official New York State

[29:46] Department of Transportation cuz they is their purview, the the curb cuts there.

[29:50] Uh they don't have any issue with our uh redesign of of the curb cuts. We're

[29:56] working out some technical comments about the permitting

[30:00] and the type of pavement to use, that sort of thing. But

[30:03] but no concern from the OIT. >> Got you.

[30:08] Any questions from the board? Reasonable.

[30:13] Mhm. No.

[30:15] » All right. >> Thank you. I thank you for your time. I

[30:18] appreciate it. >> Appreciate it.

[30:19] » Yes.

[30:22] Any other questions from members of the board?

[30:24] » I just want to clarify. >> Go ahead, please.

[30:27] » Um I know the parking variance uh you guys are saying you're providing

[30:32] 46 stalls. I just want to point out that there's 12 more in addition to that for

[30:38] the vehicles that are part of the showroom, right? So, there technically

[30:42] there's 58 spaces really on the site. >> Yes.

[30:45] » Correct? I just want to clarify with that part of it. So, it the

[30:49] » You kind of looking at the way it was laid out.

[30:51] » Yeah, the way it was worded worded out and like it was the other way. I just

[30:54] wanted to clarify that it was 50 Yeah, 58 spaces. So, the 46 50.

[31:00] » Thank you for the clarification. Mr. Boyd?

[31:04] Any other comments from the public? Johnson?

[31:08] » No, no questions. >> Anything else you have to say?

[31:11] » No. >> Take a motion on the applications.

[31:16] Ms. LaMonte? >> I make a motion that we close the

[31:18] application and move it to our decision. >> Motion made by Ms. LaMonte to close the

[31:21] application, seconded by Mr. Stein. All in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? So

[31:25] closed. Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you.

[31:27] » Glad to be of help. You as well.

[31:42] Okay, on the adjourned applications. 26-10.

[31:49] Carlos Carlos Formella, 65 Maple. Is the applicant or any representative

[31:55] thereof? No?

[31:58] Take a motion on adjourning 26-10. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the

[32:04] adjourned application 26-10. >> Repeat that motion, please.

[32:08] » First of all, we're meeting. >> Motion made to

[32:11] adjourn 26-10 to a September meeting, seconded by Mr. Meade.

[32:15] I first by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr. Meade. All in favor? 26-10 is moved.

[32:20] 26-13. Messiah Julia, 26 Shore Road.

[32:25] Uh is Messiah Julia or a representative thereof here?

[32:30] No? Take a motion on the application.

[32:33] » Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the adjourned application 26-13 to our

[32:37] September meeting. >> Motion by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr.

[32:40] Megs. All in favor? I. Motion approved. Okay, only leaves one left. We're good.

[32:46] The next application will be 2618, AB Management Group.

[32:50] Doing business as Stereo Garden, 9 Railroad Avenue, speaks a special permit

[32:55] renewal. Where night club cabaret used to port

[32:58] 3541A1. Subject premises in the T3 zone.

[33:05] » How are you? >> Thanks for having us.

[33:06] » Welcome. See you again and now we wait for certificates, right? Do

[33:10] you have them? >> I have them right here.

[33:12] » All right, there we go.

[33:23] Great, have them. Thank you. >> All right, so good.

[33:27] Thank you.

[33:32] » And if you'd be so kind as to state your name and address to the record.

[33:36] » My name is Juan Carlos Novarro for AB Management DBA Stereo.

[33:41] » Juan Carlos, okay. And you are?

[33:45] » I'm Paula Novarro. >> Welcome.

[33:49] Okay. Now,

[33:51] so you have a special permit now for a night club and a cabaret.

[33:56] » Correct. >> Tell us why you think we should do the

[34:00] renewal. >> Well, we've been here for 7 years and

[34:04] and we've we've had a almost excellent clean record with almost every

[34:08] aspect of either fish PC, PSA, SLA,

[34:13] even even members of our own community have letters of recommendation there

[34:18] that support us, that love being us there. We feel like we

[34:22] contributed a lot to the actual village. I think we're you know, we're we run a

[34:27] very clean operation. I also brought the head of my consulting security with me

[34:32] that can also go over all the new policies. procedures that we we have

[34:36] been doing for the past year and moving forward.

[34:39] Um you know, we we're not a we're not

[34:43] young promoters. You know, we're business people that are invested in the

[34:47] city, in the town. We own the Flores building next door. We have another

[34:51] house in the village. So, we're committed to the town. Um so, we have

[34:56] every intentions of seeing it grow and and and

[34:59] and not bringing uh you know, the improper crowd to the

[35:03] town. So, that's where where we're very into it with our business. We're there

[35:07] every day. Um we work our events.

[35:11] Me and my wife, almost 90% of our events we're always there.

[35:15] Um we do tons of banquets for the community also, not just for that. And

[35:19] helped would help with the with the nightclub, we're able to do a lot of

[35:23] special events for uh charity events also that we do a lot

[35:26] of also in in our place. Um which we take great pride in. And she sits on the

[35:30] board uh for a couple of other um

[35:33] events that we do in with special needs kids. And what you know, we're we're

[35:36] we're we're into it with the with the community. So, we have an invested

[35:39] interest in here. So, we're we're doing a good job and I feel that we should be

[35:42] able to renew our license. We have uh a a good clean record and we're very

[35:46] proud cuz we work hard for it. >> Now, if I think goes back into time, you

[35:51] do know that this used to be Emporium. They operated as a nightclub every day.

[35:59] We don't operate as a nightclub every day.

[36:01] We do concerts. We do special events. We do banquets. So, we would like to keep

[36:08] our license. However, we do not

[36:12] do what Emporium did or what Stereo Garden. We purchased the name Stereo

[36:18] Garden 7 years ago. Stereo Garden was before

[36:22] um so, it is very different and it's run

[36:25] very differently. Back then, they needed that license to function on an everyday

[36:31] because that's who they brought to the village.

[36:34] We're very different. >> Uh

[36:37] Juan and Paula What you have now is a nightclub

[36:43] and a cabarets. >> Correct.

[36:45] » All right. So, we as board members would assume

[36:49] that that's that quiet night. You're going to a nightclub. You're

[36:53] going to a cabaret. Maybe there's a

[36:58] a band of some sort, a singer. People are relaxing. Things are good.

[37:04] Things like the martial arts. Is that held in your

[37:07] building? >> Yes.

[37:08] » Yes. >> We I am part owners of Flex Fights that

[37:12] we do about 20 shows around the country. We also got picked up by Syndicated in

[37:17] all of Latin America. It is an MMA company that we do the events there and

[37:22] we also do Strong Island Fights, which is amateur boxing there that we do for

[37:27] children. >> For children. Also, they come in and

[37:29] little kids that don't want to want to be pro, they start in the amateur

[37:32] amateur world. We do a lot. It's a family event. It's a family event. Okay.

[37:36] Yeah. >> They're all ages. So, there's children

[37:39] » I'm just going to read one letter. This is We have several here.

[37:42] » Yes. >> Uh this is dated May 22nd, 2026. You

[37:47] know, ladies and gentlemen of the Patchogue Village Zoning Board.

[37:50] My name is Christopher Sciarra. I'm the director of the Patchogue Ambulance

[37:53] Company. I'm writing to you today concerning the ongoing issue Patchogue

[37:57] Ambulance is having as 9 real weather. On several occasions over the last 3

[38:01] years, Stereo Garden has hosted mixed martial arts fighting tournaments.

[38:05] Currently, for these fights to take place, they must have two ambulance

[38:08] crews on standby. One for the fight and one to transport any fighters that the

[38:13] fight doctor determines must go to a hospital. As far as the Patchogue

[38:17] Ambulance is aware, there have been three of these fights in the last 3

[38:20] years, all of them on Saturday nights. With two of these fights, neither Stereo

[38:24] Garden nor Flex Fights promoter Flex Fights informed the ambulance company

[38:28] that these events were occurring. And further, they contacted outside EMS

[38:32] agencies to stand by for these fights. However, they did not arrange for

[38:36] transport ambulance or advise Patchogue Ambulance that these fights were

[38:40] occurring. The result on both the cases were the

[38:42] fighters needed to be transported transported. The standby EMS crew called

[38:47] 911. We were all obligated to respond to Nitro after a trauma

[38:52] injury and transport these fighters to the hospital.

[38:55] At the most recent event, the promoter originally contacted us to do the

[38:59] transport, but then canceled uh the request a week prior to the

[39:04] event. As a result, we canceled our standby. And when the fight began, we

[39:07] were called to respond via 911, which stretched our district coverage for

[39:12] Saturday night. As you are surely aware, Patchogue

[39:15] Ambulance is always very busy on Saturday nights. These events stretch

[39:18] our resources, and we become easily overwhelmed if we are not prepared.

[39:23] Uh if we've been notified of these events

[39:25] events in advance, we would have arranged for standby and a transport

[39:28] ambulance. Since this is very non a for-profit event, we would have charged

[39:34] a nominal fee that is commensurate with the

[39:37] local EMS standard practice policy. The chiefs and the board of directors of

[39:41] the Patchogue Ambulance company feel that Stereo Garden

[39:45] or the promoter Flex Fights must notify us no less than 2 weeks prior to any

[39:50] future fight events, so we can ensure that there is adequate EMS coverage for

[39:54] the event for the rest of our protection district.

[39:58] Should they choose to hire their own standby transport ambulances, we must

[40:02] likewise be advised of who will be providing the coverage.

[40:05] Any assistance you can provide to the uh to the business to cooperate

[40:09] with us for any future fighting events is greatly appreciated.

[40:12] All right. So, this is the thoughts now uh

[40:15] Patchogue Ambulance. >> That is uh 100% correct.

[40:20] » Okay. >> And that one was addressed on the last

[40:24] event which I was not aware of because we always dealt with the same

[40:27] uh company that we always dealt with. >> And we hired medicine.

[40:30] » And now we have hired a company that's called medicine and that place is that

[40:34] they are the ones who are strictly ambulance provider and they almost they

[40:39] like uh a wholesaler for ambulances. So, what they do is that they go into towns

[40:44] and they lock up if you're having a event at Master Square Garden, they

[40:47] supply to that event. Here they supply. So, now they are taking and uh

[40:51] coordination on it and he is in contact with um with her also. He met her that

[40:55] night there and to make sure that that never happened again because that was it

[40:59] it jams us up because what happens, I'm not sure if you understand why this is

[41:03] not good for us either, is it that the show cannot start again

[41:08] if there's not a second ambulance on site.

[41:10] » It's frozen. >> It's we freeze. So, the So, that

[41:14] ambulance leaves, goes to Stony Brook because for whatever reason, the whole

[41:18] show is on standby. It stops and then we also have airing rights that we are have

[41:22] pay-per-view shows that are time commitment so that jams us all up and

[41:26] you know, tremendously. So, when we had this issue,

[41:29] we tried to nip it 100% and then and we hired another company that's doing that.

[41:34] » Okay. >> Because the time is

[41:36] I'm sorry to finish is 11:00 p.m. And so, we want to finish the whole show

[41:42] by 11:00 p.m. So, when that ties it back, it delays us a little bit.

[41:46] » Okay. Uh if you would indulge me, I just want

[41:49] to read these next two into it and then we'll go over everything, okay?

[41:53] Uh the next one is from a Tiffany Spiffy, it looks like August 17th, 2026.

[41:59] To whom it may concern, and I'm sure it could be the

[42:02] uh Patchogue Village Johnny Got the Feels. I'm writing as a resident of the

[42:05] Village of Patchogue to respectfully express my concerns regarding the

[42:08] renewal of the Summer on the Green permit and the impact that its late

[42:12] night events have had on those of us who live in the surrounding neighborhood. I

[42:16] want to begin by saying that I understand and support the importance of

[42:19] local businesses being able to operate and succeed in our community. My concern

[42:24] is not with Stereo Garden simply conducting business, rather it's with

[42:27] the late night noise and disturbances associated with some of its events,

[42:32] particularly during work and school week.

[42:35] The noise and activity associated with Stereo Garden continued into the very

[42:39] early morning hours. This includes loud music as well as patrons outside

[42:43] yelling, arguing, creating disturbances as they leave the establishment.

[42:47] Unfortunately, once an event ends, the disruption does not necessarily end with

[42:51] it. Residents are still affected by the

[42:54] activity taking place outside and throughout the surrounding neighborhood.

[42:58] For many of us, Sunday through Thursday are work and school nights. Some

[43:01] residents must wake up early to go to work and families have children

[43:05] who need to wake up for school. I personally have a significant commute to

[43:08] work and need to be able to sleep at a reasonable hour to safely travel and

[43:12] perform my job. Being kept awake in the early morning

[43:16] hours creates a very real hardship. For that reason, I respectfully ask the

[43:19] board to consider placing reasonable restrictions on Stereo Garden's permit.

[43:24] Ideally, the nightclub style events should not take place Saturday Sunday

[43:28] through Thursday. However, if events are permitted on those nights, I think they

[43:32] should be required to end no later than midnight with appropriate measures in

[43:36] place to ensure music and that. I'm not asking for unreasonable

[43:40] restrictions on a local business. I'm asking for reasonable balance between

[43:43] business and the right to people who want to live peacefully, enjoy their

[43:48] homes, sleep, and raise their families. There is more here. I'm just going to

[43:53] sign that off as uh sincerely Tiffany Gonzalez and enter it

[43:57] into the record. But there is a concern, which we will

[44:00] discuss in a few moments.

[44:03] The next letter is from a Chelsea Wallace.

[44:09] I'm sorry? Okay, great.

[44:12] Uh it's made out to the Patchogue Village Board of Trustees, uh to the

[44:16] mayor and members of the Village Board, and now I guess to the CBA. I'm writing

[44:20] to respectfully oppose to be able to grant permit to operate. I understand

[44:24] the property may have certain grandfather rights in the Stereo Garden

[44:27] as previously permitted to operate at this location. However, I respectfully

[44:31] ask the board to consider how the business operates today and whether its

[44:35] current operations consistent with representation paid to the village and

[44:40] the public when the business began operating.

[44:43] In 2018, the village expressed a strong expansion

[44:47] of nightclubs in Patchogue because of legitimate concerns involving public

[44:50] safety, violent drunk driving, noise, and the impact of late-night

[44:55] uh nightlife on surrounding neighborhoods. Based on my experience

[44:59] living near Stereo Garden, its current operation raises many of these same

[45:03] concerns. The owners publicly represented that Stereo Garden is a way

[45:08] from the traditional nightclub model. However, the business' own website

[45:12] references compliance with New York State rules regarding nightclubs. The

[45:16] lease identifies permitted use as a cabaret or catering event. In my

[45:20] opinion, the way the business operates is significantly different from the

[45:24] traditional catering or venue. Stereo Garden currently hosts late-night events

[45:29] featuring DJs, dancing, and live entertainment that continue until

[45:32] approximately 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning.

[45:34] The impact of these events is not limited to the interior of the building.

[45:37] The music, bass, and vibrations can be heard felt in nearby homes. The impact

[45:42] on the surrounding neighborhood also extends beyond the noise. During events,

[45:46] parking becomes a significant problem with attendees using nearby parking

[45:50] areas and residential streets, including areas around Railroad Ave in Patchogue

[45:54] City. After events, garbage, bottles, and other debris have been left

[45:59] throughout the neighborhood and my property.

[46:04] I walk expressed serious disturbances involving individuals leaving events,

[46:08] including screaming, fighting, property damage, drug use, and urinating on my

[46:12] property. Attendees have left the venue intoxicated, played loud music from

[46:17] their vehicles, repeatedly used their horns to create a disturbances during

[46:21] the early morning hours.

[46:24] I've contacted public safety on multiple occasions regarding the problems

[46:27] connected to Stereo Garden events. Food trucks and other late-night food

[46:31] operations have also remained outside the business after events with activity

[46:35] continuing to the early morning hours. In my experience, the private security

[46:40] hired for these events is not effectively prevented or addressed the

[46:43] problems occurring after people leave the venue.

[46:47] They are not isolated concerns about a single event. These are ongoing issues

[46:51] that have affected my family and the surrounding neighborhood.

[46:56] I've also attempted to address these concerns directly. On July 21st, 2026, I

[47:00] spoke with one of the owners about the impact these events had on my family and

[47:04] property. I explained that my youngest child has become scared by the loud

[47:08] noises and disturbances and has expressed fear that someone could be

[47:11] shot. During this conversation, the owner suggested that I should move out

[47:15] of my home. The owner also laughed and stated that

[47:19] she should be shot first. I found these responses disturbing and inappropriate,

[47:23] particularly after I was explaining the fear and anxiety that these ongoing

[47:27] disturbances have caused my family. I'm not asking the Village Board to

[47:31] prevent businesses from operating or stop legitimate entertainment at the

[47:35] Bell Patchogue. I am asking the Board to evaluate Stereo Garden based on its

[47:39] actual operation today, rather than simply the description of

[47:42] the business when it first received approval.

[47:45] A business that regularly operates late into the early morning hours, features

[47:48] DJs, dancing, creates significant noise and vibrations in nearby homes, attracts

[47:53] large crowds, creates parking problems, leaves debris in the surrounding

[47:56] neighborhood that is associated with repeated disturbances should be

[48:00] evaluated should be evaluated based on the actual impact of its operation in

[48:05] the surrounding community. For these reasons, I respectfully ask that the

[48:08] board deny the Stereo Garden's nightclub cabaret permit.

[48:13] I have included a separate evidence list identifying photographs, videos, records

[48:17] and complaints to public safety and other documentation supporting the

[48:21] concerns described in this letter. I respectfully ask the board to review the

[48:24] evidence when considering the renewal of the Stereo Garden's permit.

[48:29] Additional document is a documentation available on request. The village took

[48:33] action on 2018 because it recognized the expansion of nightclub activity in

[48:38] negative negatively affect public safety and the quality of life in community.

[48:42] I respectfully ask the board to apply the same concern

[48:46] when evaluating the current operation at Stereo Garden. Respectfully, Chelsea

[48:50] Lyons. And there's also evidence here that will

[48:54] be put into the record. And last but not least,

[49:01] Suffolk County Police Department. And fairly extensive.

[49:07] Uh disturbances uh

[49:12] I mean this it it's just a lot of stuff going on

[49:16] here for somebody who's just got to go sit at a small table

[49:20] at a cabaret and have a glass of wine. So, would you kindly please explain

[49:26] how do we go from a nightclub cabaret

[49:30] to martial arts and concerts?

[49:36] » Well, you know, over the past 7 years, roughly let's say we were doing one

[49:40] event a weekend. You know, and and of course the year

[49:44] roughly around 350 to 400 events that we've done in the past 7 years.

[49:49] RSLA records, State Liquor Authority, if there's any issue with anything, they

[49:53] would be the first one to come suspend my license if I had any kind of issues.

[49:57] Those police reports, a lot of them are altercations, somebody comes out a

[50:01] little drunk, or somebody trips and falls, or somebody is having a

[50:05] situation. In every night night establishment on Patchogue Main Street,

[50:10] there's going to be situations. And we try to limit as much as we can. We see

[50:14] somebody that's overserved, we stop serving them. If somebody comes in, they

[50:17] look like they're intoxicated, you know, we have a whole list of procedures that

[50:20] we follow inside our manual that we have, the bartenders know, our security

[50:25] will has to what we're doing now to to combat all these issues. And now also,

[50:30] when we also end the show, we don't end the show

[50:34] abruptly at because we don't want that flooding into the street. We've made a a

[50:38] deal with uh fifth precinct about that. We've also made a deal with the

[50:42] uh the sound safety about that. So, what we do is that we slowly turn the music

[50:46] down, we put the lights up, and people start leaving in an in an orderly

[50:50] manner. Not everybody rushes to the streets to avoid that cluster, that

[50:54] noise, and everything that's in the street. And then also, concerned about

[50:57] the bottles in front, we send a cleaning crew every night outside of front in the

[51:01] front of our area to clean up every single debris and bottle and that

[51:05] situation. So, we do take care of the front of it. We are very vigilant and

[51:09] concerned about our neighbors. This is why on the weekdays

[51:12] I don't know how many how many shows we don't do any I wish we did, but we don't

[51:16] do any shows only on a Thursday. And if we do on a Thursday, we realize that it

[51:20] has to end by 11:00 12:00 because people work on Friday. And we don't the Sunday

[51:24] shows that we do end at 12:00 too. We'll do a day party if that's possible

[51:27] because we know people work. So, I'm not sure during the weekends or weekdays

[51:32] what concern that that individual had because if you look all of my calendars

[51:35] coming up, we don't have any weekdays events.

[51:39] Um most of our shows are average between two to three 400 people. If there's a

[51:43] large uh celebrity, we call them an A-list celebrity, we'll deal with big

[51:47] pricing, and they will come in we call them ahead of time they will either

[51:50] close the street off or they will put a special car in front just to make sure

[51:54] that everything goes smoothly and then the exit is properly just for example if

[51:58] you want to compare and ask them on the last one we did this artist called A

[52:02] Boogie is a big time artist he has a lot over 10 million followers he drawing a

[52:07] thousand people they came in did a great job

[52:11] people came left had moved out no incidents no other because the fifth

[52:15] precinct worked with us and we worked with them there was no altercations

[52:19] outside there was nobody urinating or any of it but this is what we try to do

[52:23] with that situation. >> But the concern here is

[52:29] the special permit that was granted to this boy did not say concert or call it

[52:34] did not say MMA >> Well that's what the night club is for

[52:37] the night club well let let just say concert well well let just say it's a

[52:40] it's an especially event venue place we do events all type of events we'll do

[52:46] » Do we even have the decision >> Yeah let's see the

[52:50] we want to see the permanent >> I just want to see the MMA events here

[52:54] at 12:00 >> That is not that's

[52:56] » No I I understand that but people don't go to a cabaret for an MMA event

[52:59] » Well it's it's >> No no no no no we're we're altering what

[53:02] this boy originally did >> it's an event space it's an event space

[53:06] it's a multi purpose event space that has the capacity of holding special

[53:10] events like those concerts >> on your here for renewal of our special

[53:14] permit >> Right

[53:16] » I want to see please what the criteria of that special permit was

[53:22] » Because Stereo Garden was always a concert

[53:25] » night club >> night club always so we are not the

[53:29] inventors of the wheel this wheel was sold to us there was always concerts

[53:35] concerts have been there forever if you go back in the records you will find how

[53:40] many artists have performed in Stereo Garden. Pacha was known

[53:45] » words, you folks you folks are never before us for a special permit. No, you

[53:49] were. >> No.

[53:51] » Interesting. >> So you're just going off of what they

[53:54] were doing >> Yeah, but our our permit's usually 4 or

[53:56] 5 years. How long have you owned this? Seven

[53:58] » Seven years. >> By God, our permit the the largest that

[54:01] ever permit special permit I ever granted was 5 years.

[54:05] » No one has came from the town at all now.

[54:08] » When I purchased it, they gave me the papers stating that it was

[54:11] done. And that No, no, no. This is going to use it as a practice. This is a

[54:14] special permit. >> No, I clearly understand that. Clearly

[54:17] understand that. >> But this is this In other words, this

[54:20] time was the first time someone came up to us. If there was something that we

[54:23] needed to do and renew, the town never came to us

[54:26] » Well, we would have Please don't say town. This is the village. Yeah. It's

[54:29] the village. Yeah. So, the first we heard of it, we immediately addressed

[54:33] it. And this is why we're here. >> That's exactly why we're here. But if we

[54:36] go back in time, you will see that there's constant that were even before

[54:41] like since Emporium was I would even before Emporium where Knights of

[54:46] Columbus was. So it's never changed. You know, so the the idea that you're saying

[54:53] that, you know, you sit down, have a cup of wine, and it's it's always been a

[54:56] concert. We have a professional stage and sound system. That's how come I know

[55:01] that the sound it it is inside the building.

[55:07] » All right, let me just see what counsel says here.

[55:11] Yeah, what was it granted to, by the way?

[55:14] » Stereo Garden. >> Us.

[55:16] » BFG Entertainment. >> That's who you purchased it from.

[55:19] » Mhm.

[55:23] » And this was in 2017. >> Correct.

[55:30] » What was the the term for >> I kept the council's reading it there.

[55:45] » These are the same. >> So, what what did this board agree with?

[55:50] Cuz I can't find anything else. Okay. Okay.

[55:55] Yeah, it looks like the minutes. Can I at least get the minutes on any of

[55:58] these? Are they actual decisions?

[56:05] » There's a bunch of stuff like this.

[56:09] » All right. Let's go back to the clerk for a minute.

[56:13] » It doesn't define the micro. I didn't At the time our code defined

[56:18] the micro. It was >> So, we go back to the old That was

[56:21] actually the >> They doesn't They don't go into details.

[56:27] » Oh, sorry. >> I have the old code just to look at.

[56:29] There's a lot of stuff like this.

[56:33] » Well, how about this? Now, within special permit, pursuant to

[56:38] 435-21A1 A 435-21A5

[56:43] and such other applicable provisions of this village code, shall be a period of

[56:48] 1 year commencing from the date of the

[56:51] application. All right. So, this thing expired in 2018.

[57:00] That's on the We need to talk about the calendar.

[57:03] » Yeah. We've sent that out in the last slide

[57:05] and we didn't get a response, but I think

[57:08] we did get a response. >> Yeah, yeah.

[57:09] » They did get a response.

[57:13] » Why is there a submission they got to discuss a little bit?

[57:17] » We definitely had the deposition cuz that was an old thing. Yeah.

[57:22] » Well, here's one that says the submission by the applicant of a

[57:26] schedule of events giving the village at least 1 month

[57:30] advance notice of of what they are doing. It says

[57:34] the first day of each month during the event period.

[57:37] » Yeah, nightclub. >> Wow.

[57:39] Uh

[57:43] Procedures for handling violent incidents. It says to drop it says he

[57:47] has that now. Establishments receive their patrons in

[57:50] the after. Okay.

[57:53] Cameras. Oh.

[57:56] Oh, this is on the inside. No DJs or live music will be allowed on the patio

[58:01] except with the community-wide downtown business events approved by the village.

[58:06] Such as a live after-party. >> In our town.

[58:09] » We We have no speakers outside our building. We have nothing outside.

[58:13] » Yeah, they cut that out. >> Okay.

[58:15] » So that other side >> It's a lot smaller than it was back

[58:18] then. It's a lot smaller than it >> No, more important. Tell us

[58:22] Tell us

[58:25] What do you want to do there in keeping with a cabaret

[58:30] and a nightclub type of thing? I mean, do you ever open your doors just

[58:35] for people to come in and have a drink as a nightclub?

[58:38] » No. >> You don't. You're just a special event

[58:40] place. >> No, we we we open we operate we charge

[58:43] at the door. We We open until 2:00 3:00 in the morning and we have dancing in

[58:50] our facility. So all those are covered under the cabaret and nightclub.

[58:54] » Of course. >> So So you So you do open without an

[58:58] event? >> No. Only when an event.

[59:01] » So you have to actually You don't open the doors and say like the rest of

[59:05] Patchogue, you know, open Thursday and Friday come on in.

[59:08] » If we don't If we don't have any We don't have a specific artist coming in

[59:11] we're not open. We don't have a banquet or a special event we don't open.

[59:14] » That's why we don't >> They're more of a music hall than a

[59:17] nightclub cabaret. >> That's exactly it.

[59:21] » It used to change. >> Yeah.

[59:22] » But you can certainly You can certainly see how

[59:27] you know, it was always a thing.

[59:32] » two 300 people. You understand? And the wedding might be finished at 11:00 at

[59:37] night. >> 12:00

[59:40] That's what happened here. The use has changed.

[59:44] » We had to grant the special permit. I don't know about renewing one.

[59:48] » Right. >> What was What was the original So,

[59:51] you're looking at the original special permit?

[59:53] » Uh because uh things like >> uh

[59:56] events are not >> What What events like for example?

[1:00:00] Well >> Like events Wait, because everything's

[1:00:02] called events. >> Uh yeah, yeah. Like an MMA event is not

[1:00:05] something that >> That's just That's just special We just

[1:00:07] want two shows a year. I mean, that's that's something that simple that

[1:00:10] » Whatever it is >> If you were to say uh Sir Garden cannot

[1:00:13] do the event as a part of MMA it'll be a simple thing to knock off the card.

[1:00:17] That's not that's not that's not that's not much of an issue for us.

[1:00:20] » Why? Because we want to take the pressure off of

[1:00:23] things like the ambulance company. >> the other complaints that we get.

[1:00:25] » And we And which the ambulance has been has been addressing 100% fixed. Because

[1:00:30] not only with that >> I don't know. The letter The letter is

[1:00:32] just dated from July. So, I guess >> Yeah, that was the last event. That was

[1:00:35] the last event. >> But and also just Justin, for instance,

[1:00:37] we also do wrestling. And they bring a little ring and they do

[1:00:42] little people and they and they require an ambulance also. So, we bring an

[1:00:45] ambulance for them. >> Yeah.

[1:00:47] » Oh. >> Because that's entertainment.

[1:00:50] » So So >> I don't know if that reads.

[1:00:53] » That's not That's not >> They brought it back again.

[1:00:55] » The fire is >> That's it. That's hard to square with

[1:00:57] the night club. >> That's it.

[1:00:58] » So, we had a definition of night club back in those days. Right. And it

[1:01:02] basically is what you would imagine a night club to be. It has to

[1:01:06] cover charge, you walk in, there's an area for dancing, there's an area for

[1:01:10] the DJ, and yep. >> We still have We still We We do that. We

[1:01:14] do that We do that 90% of our events. So, that's what we do.

[1:01:18] » In a definition of valid event. >> Well, I I I I that point I I see the

[1:01:22] point for the for the combat sports for the combat sports things, but a lot of

[1:01:26] » baby showers Yeah.

[1:01:28] » Yeah, that's good stuff. I can see that.

[1:01:31] » of nightclubs all over Manhattan, Queens, all of them are doing MMA

[1:01:37] » multiple >> sports because that contributes to their

[1:01:40] bottom line. And we And as us come not compared to

[1:01:44] everyone else on Main Street just because we have a cabaret and a

[1:01:48] nightclub license, we can't have any special

[1:01:51] liquor insurances. My insurance last year was over $100,000 to cover my end.

[1:01:56] No one else on Main Street covers $100,000 with insurance just to cover

[1:01:59] the liquor authority, assault and battery, and everything else that comes

[1:02:02] along with everything that's done there. >> And also when you spoken about, you

[1:02:06] know, everybody, it's really hard, you know that the village

[1:02:11] had everybody leaving at the same exact time between 1:30 and 2:00.

[1:02:16] It's very difficult for someone to say that all the people that are leaving

[1:02:21] Stereo, but not everywhere else like we had

[1:02:25] Meatball, like we had everywhere else, Burgerology. It It is a Everybody leaves

[1:02:30] the village at that time. Very difficult for you to say that it's everyone from

[1:02:34] Stereo that is leaving that is loud. That is not quite fair to say because at

[1:02:40] that time I have been outside and I don't know where all these people coming

[1:02:45] from. You know, the village has parking, everybody's going into that back parking

[1:02:49] lot. Just because that parking lot is behind our building, doesn't mean those

[1:02:53] people are coming. The majority of our people, specially wedding, are limo,

[1:02:58] they're doing buses, you know, we we have Ubers,

[1:03:02] » and the concerts they come they come for concerts. A lot of we have Uber drop-off

[1:03:06] right in front of our place. >> Uber drop-off is right in front of our

[1:03:08] facility because we tell people there is no parking in the village. Please take

[1:03:13] an Uber. You know, we tried doing it with the valet, but that didn't work out

[1:03:17] in the village, we were connected to him. Now we say, "Please, you know, you

[1:03:23] need We even have the skew things for people to take Ubers right out because

[1:03:28] we we know what the village parking situation is, but everybody leaves at

[1:03:33] the same time. So, not fair to say." >> So, so that Do you Do you Are there ever

[1:03:38] like Friday or Saturday nights that they don't open to

[1:03:41] » Oh, no. >> or have an event?

[1:03:43] » Yeah, unfortunately. >> This Friday and this Saturday

[1:03:45] » I'm not rooting >> Otherwise, we wouldn't be having major

[1:03:47] problems. >> Right. I I I'm not rooting against you.

[1:03:49] » I know. >> I'll give you a I'll give you a quick a

[1:03:52] quick list. >> You This Friday This Friday we're not

[1:03:55] open. Next Friday we're not open. >> Right. And that And that backs up the

[1:03:59] idea that that they Do we have a definition of a musical in the code

[1:04:03] right now? >> Are you a wedding venue or

[1:04:05] » We don't. >> Definition of a wedding singer.

[1:04:08] » Yeah. Just what I came to ask. Carol, I said if I could have what license the

[1:04:14] other >> The 89 North House.

[1:04:17] » working under. And I I couldn't get it on time, but to me I said, "You know,

[1:04:21] I'm trying to educate myself on what the village sees on what the codes are." And

[1:04:26] I said, "They're operating They're very similar to what we do. They're a smaller

[1:04:31] location, okay, on a side street as well as we are. Well, they're maybe in a

[1:04:36] little bit more on Main Street like cuz they want ocean or something." You know,

[1:04:40] but regard it's it's still very similar. Sometimes we even have the same artists

[1:04:46] performing. So, what what license do they have?

[1:04:52] » They took 20 minutes to respond, so >> They took 20 minutes as well. Yes. So,

[1:04:55] we do So, we do have that same sort of, you know, vibe if you

[1:05:02] want to call >> Should this boy not grant the special

[1:05:05] permit? What steps could you take to mitigate

[1:05:09] what these letters are saying? Like noise in the neighborhood

[1:05:12] Things like that. >> I can bring in Mike. Mike is my security

[1:05:15] consultant. I know Mike. We just contracted him for the past 6

[1:05:19] months. And

[1:05:22] » And all your regular customers >> He's a very big guy.

[1:05:24] » He's the smallest one. This is the smallest Mike was able to bring.

[1:05:29] » They over there double the guys. >> Mike's company comes highly recommended.

[1:05:34] They do events in Montauk now for the question show.

[1:05:37] They just got picked up by the SPs. So they're very very very well known in the

[1:05:41] security world. >> Okay. But can he stop the noise into the

[1:05:45] neighborhood? >> He has some sort of

[1:05:46] » that that the loud music in the name >> Well, first of all, there's no loud

[1:05:49] music coming out of our location. >> Okay.

[1:05:50] » You I can I can blast my music 100%

[1:05:54] » come out of that building. >> And nothing comes out of that building.

[1:05:56] It is totally insulated on both sides. Whoever says they can hear it, that's a

[1:05:59] pure fallacy. >> handled that.

[1:06:02] » Yes. Now, my my neighbors next door, they have speakers outside. I don't know

[1:06:07] what time they close. And my other neighbor next door, the pizzeria, has

[1:06:09] speakers outside. I'm not saying what they do.

[1:06:11] » outdoor seating for the customers. >> But we don't. So I mean I don't know

[1:06:15] where they can hear the music from. So they can hear

[1:06:16] » You guys communicate noise. Yeah. And that he comes out, make sure that the

[1:06:21] noise >> They have a team.

[1:06:23] » Yeah, nobody is getting out of line in the neighborhood

[1:06:26] cuz they don't need it. >> Well, we control our block. We control

[1:06:29] our area, our block, our our We don't have a parking lot, but we walk up and

[1:06:33] down the street at night time. If there's an issue, always one person goes

[1:06:37] out front door, another person goes out the back door just because we don't want

[1:06:41] no fights happening in the street. Um and you can attest to more and you

[1:06:45] can look at talk over you, but you can explain to them a little bit what you

[1:06:48] know what we do and how we do it. >> And the procedures, yeah. Like you know,

[1:06:51] when they're coming in and how it works. >> And your name is, please?

[1:06:54] » My name is Michael Chahales. And I'm the owner of Four Social Management.

[1:06:58] » Got you. >> Um I work with a list of different

[1:07:01] restaurants and venues as security consultant. Um some examples I work with

[1:07:05] Lessing's Restaurant Group. I work with Hells Kitchen, I work with Coastal

[1:07:09] Verde, and we have joined up with them and now Stereo Garden as well to provide

[1:07:14] a more optimal experience for both the guests and for the town.

[1:07:18] We do everything we can to limit the liability for them.

[1:07:23] We understand that there's a lot of things that go on in Patchogue town and

[1:07:27] it's a lot of liability for the town as well and a lot of pressure on the public

[1:07:31] safety and on the police that are stationed there. So,

[1:07:34] one thing that we do, we we don't like I said, we don't let

[1:07:38] everyone out at the same time. It's it's a constant flow in and out,

[1:07:42] right? At night time, one thing we're doing is we're limiting No one's allowed

[1:07:46] to leave with any garbage or anything like that. So, that concern

[1:07:49] I I don't think that that's fair to assume that it's us cuz like I said as

[1:07:53] well, there's two other locations that are we're positioned right in the middle

[1:07:56] of town. And from my knowledge, I don't think

[1:07:59] they have any management or security body there on the weekends, you know?

[1:08:03] So, people could just be walking out of there with garbage and leaving anywhere.

[1:08:07] » No no drinks or cups can leave our location or bottles. We have two garbage

[1:08:10] cans in the back of our building. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, we're very

[1:08:14] preventive with that and just in general with our measures, we we're very

[1:08:20] wary of the town and we want to contribute to the community to make it a

[1:08:23] better experience for the public and for

[1:08:28] » Thank you. >> Mr. Jackson,

[1:08:30] » Yes. >> What is the What is your code like to to

[1:08:32] determine how many security guards you need for a certain event?

[1:08:35] » So, we'll do about 50 My my personal code is I'll do about 50

[1:08:41] uh one one security per 50 patrons. So, from our experience that we've had

[1:08:46] the most success with that and we do that with all different you know, events

[1:08:51] and venues. >> And are all the events pre-sales or

[1:08:54] » Most of ours are pre-sales. We'll we'll have some we'll have some

[1:08:57] walk-ups. Our very minimum walk-ups. Uh most of them we'll know the day of of

[1:09:02] how many people come showing up. >> When we first purchased it was a box

[1:09:05] office. That's a thing of the past. Everybody's buying tickets online. Yeah.

[1:09:10] » Uh Mr. Chairman, uh Mr. South,

[1:09:13] uh is there a time when you stop serving alcohol?

[1:09:16] » Yeah, we're we're we're a hard cut off by 2:30 for alcohol always on our side.

[1:09:20] » So throughout the throughout the event. >> Yeah, he'll tell you that I me and her

[1:09:24] work our shows and I want to leave as soon as possible. So most of the times

[1:09:30] we'll have an artist perform and with the promoters we're always just part of

[1:09:33] the standing that we have a hard cut off at 2:30. The only reason we'll stay open

[1:09:38] a little bit later is sometimes we'll have a deal with another venue that's

[1:09:42] we're splitting the cost of an artist that's traveling from New Jersey and

[1:09:46] he's running late and then he'll come to our stage and he'll hit the stage at

[1:09:49] 2:10, 2:15 and people are here to see him and it'll run into like 15, 20

[1:09:53] minutes. But we try to hard cut at 2:30 and slowly have everybody out by 3:00.

[1:09:58] That is our goal always if we go that late. But majority of

[1:10:02] times if it's slow if it's slow or it's slowly end up 1:00 or 2:00, 1:00, 1:30.

[1:10:08] » I like that automatic. >> I I I have I mean I want to I appreciate

[1:10:12] that the fact that you guys are are trying to get you know familiar with the

[1:10:15] the culture of the village. I'm trying to work with the with the village in in

[1:10:19] every way possible. However, I it seems like the the

[1:10:23] application should be for the special special permit use instead of like a

[1:10:27] renewal >> Oh, it's a special permit for events.

[1:10:31] » For events, exactly. >> I don't know I saw my this is cabaret

[1:10:35] night. I think people But how does that fall into

[1:10:38] » We'll probably write a new permit. >> Okay.

[1:10:40] » In fact, we really have to get the use until the other permit expires.

[1:10:45] » Yes, that >> But so how does that fall into the

[1:10:46] dancing and drinking and the charging of

[1:10:53] » You're only open if there's some sort of entertainment there, is that correct?

[1:10:56] » Correct. Correct. >> Yeah.

[1:10:57] » And then also, how does that tie in to the state license and also to like our

[1:11:03] insurance? You know, because right now we we have

[1:11:08] like a bracket. It's cabaret and night club. You understand? That's what

[1:11:12] » That's what they bill me on. >> That's what they bill us on. So, if we

[1:11:16] change that where you know, it's just not the the village is everything else

[1:11:21] like where do we go on there? >> Have you Have you talked to your friends

[1:11:24] over at 9 North as to like their Have their insurance as well?

[1:11:28] » I mean, I would definitely talk to your insurance broker because if anything

[1:11:32] happened during a fight, I can guarantee you they're not going to cover if you're

[1:11:35] classified >> They know they have a list of all the

[1:11:41] events that we do. >> They know they know they know

[1:11:44] everything. >> That's why we pay so much money.

[1:11:47] » Yeah, by definition they they they special permit for for special

[1:11:51] events has a different definition than the than

[1:11:53] the night club. >> No, it goes under cabaret.

[1:11:58] By the village. Yes. >> Exactly. So, so that that only is the

[1:12:01] distinction. That that you should >> But on there everything else it says

[1:12:06] cabaret and night club because all that the fights all of that is under that.

[1:12:12] Yes. >> Well, well, that's what we're discussing

[1:12:14] here for the village. Correct? Because we operate as a village.

[1:12:17] » So, okay.

[1:12:19] Listen, everybody does insurance fraud. It happens all over. It's not

[1:12:23] » Unfortunately, my my insurance company, they they

[1:12:26] insure Madison Square Garden. They They're strictly just for venues and

[1:12:30] night clubs and events. So, that's who they that we use. Um so, when we consult

[1:12:36] on them, they're also very particular on what

[1:12:39] securities we use cuz we have to fit under their demographics. That's why we

[1:12:42] use them. And they consult for us. So, that's why they are able to handle that

[1:12:46] situation. >> be able to use any of the security

[1:12:48] companies that are on Main Street because they're not covered by assault

[1:12:52] and battery. We have to be. Our companies have to be.

[1:12:55] So, any of any of any place in the village is not covered.

[1:13:00] » have requisite for also for the liquor insurance as well. So, we carry that one

[1:13:04] a much higher than the rest of the as restaurants. The only issue that we're

[1:13:08] having now is a lot of these restaurants are popping up as as nightclubs in the

[1:13:11] area. So, it's it's tainting us and making us look a little bit that we're

[1:13:14] not we're not doing our job, but we're actually the only ones one of the only

[1:13:19] ones in Patchogue that actually carry the proper credentials to do that in the

[1:13:23] contained area. You know, we don't we don't operate just on a whim or we're

[1:13:27] just going to move the doors and move the chairs.

[1:13:29] » So, the chairs have to be >> We do this every weekend. That's what we

[1:13:32] do. This is we have the proper insurances. We have the proper security.

[1:13:34] We have the proper staffing. This is how we do it every day. We can do it for 7

[1:13:37] years. Now, you see some issues with the fist raising, but every other restaurant

[1:13:41] is going to have some of them as well. But, we don't have a page like this like

[1:13:44] Emporium used to have or anyone else cuz we do things we do things 10 times

[1:13:49] differently than they do. >> Okay, great. Just excuse me 1 minute.

[1:13:53] Yeah. Any member of the public would like to speak for or against?

[1:13:57] Just give us a few moments and thank you.

[1:14:15] » Good afternoon. >> Good evening.

[1:14:16] » So, my name is Allison Morris. You read my email. I have sent several emails to

[1:14:22] our mayor. I've been to meetings several times for this

[1:14:27] business. Like I said, I'm not against businesses.

[1:14:31] Um I'm taking it personal that calling me

[1:14:35] basically how you don't see how I can

[1:14:40] figure out what bar and what people are coming from. I live right there.

[1:14:45] Listen, I've been here. my family's been here

[1:14:49] since 1940s. I've been in my house for over 100 years.

[1:14:56] I love this village, I've been doing things to improve it.

[1:15:01] This business is not doing what it says.

[1:15:07] They just BS you.

[1:15:10] The garbage Okay, maybe they do pick it up when it

[1:15:13] does come. It's all over. Seagulls are in it. There has been I've sent

[1:15:19] evidence, videos, um photos of the events.

[1:15:25] » I think it's >> Sorry. It's in the record.

[1:15:27] » Yeah. I'm just very upset about the whole situation because I've been

[1:15:31] dealing with this for 2 years. I've read what their lease is,

[1:15:36] um since the new bar Side Drive

[1:15:39] opened. Stereo Garden and that bar can't operate

[1:15:43] the same nights. So, I know that when Stereo Garden has an event and when

[1:15:49] that bar has an event. I've been to 89 North.

[1:15:53] Stereo Garden is not at all like that. In their

[1:15:58] paperwork, it does state that they basically can't have events at the same

[1:16:03] time. So, I know and I'm not a stupid person.

[1:16:07] I know when their events are happening. To the point that me and my family stay

[1:16:12] away because we don't get enough sleep.

[1:16:16] My child literally said, "Mommy, I'm scared.

[1:16:21] I feel like someone's going to either get shot or stabbed because of the

[1:16:25] events that they're having."

[1:16:29] Um I'm glad that they hired a new company

[1:16:33] because the company that they did use didn't care.

[1:16:38] Um I actually called that company one night because of the situation.

[1:16:43] After an event and they didn't care. I mean, I

[1:16:47] literally am sitting on my porch and they had people out there screaming,

[1:16:52] cursing, fighting. Um

[1:16:55] it's just it's to the point that I

[1:16:59] I get it. You want to have great events, baby showers,

[1:17:03] sweet 16s, perfect. But those things have time

[1:17:07] that they're done. There is a code to the village. I can't

[1:17:11] play loud music after a certain time. So, why can that? My literally house is

[1:17:17] shaking because their music. We wake up at 3:00 in the morning from

[1:17:23] horns, music, vibration, the bass. It's just so disturbing and literally my

[1:17:31] child is scared with some of the events. I don't know what else to do.

[1:17:37] I'm not saying cuz they have it 30 year lease. I'm not saying, "Hey, move the

[1:17:41] business and don't do it." But they need to follow rules just like

[1:17:45] how I need to follow rules. It's about safety. We don't want people

[1:17:51] driving into my house because they're drunk.

[1:17:54] I also know that people from that event, I'm watching people from their entrance

[1:18:00] walk out of their building, stumbling,

[1:18:04] going through the the the court parking lot and getting in their cars.

[1:18:11] I don't know what else to do. I had the village put a stop sign because all of

[1:18:14] them everyone would be stopping at a stop sign. I had uh

[1:18:19] the mayor change South Street parking because a lot of the people from Stereo

[1:18:24] Gardens parking on Railroad and South Street. Sometimes they do. They're doing

[1:18:29] drugs. They're blasting music. Um they're very rude. I've had people

[1:18:33] urinate on my property. Um it's just the list goes on and on.

[1:18:39] So, yes. Great. I hope that they all visit

[1:18:43] succeeds with baby showers, sweet 16s, but the concerts, the the events is

[1:18:49] ridiculous and they should have a curfew.

[1:18:52] That's all I really can say because I know realistically, I mean, if they want

[1:18:57] to have their night life, please go to a strip free town then

[1:19:02] because this is a village and we want to, you know, we want to have that life,

[1:19:08] but we want to feel safe. Um, like I said, I've been dealing with

[1:19:11] this for 2 years. I've emailed the mayor. I've emailed you guys. I I don't

[1:19:16] know what else to do. >> Okay. We have that in the record now.

[1:19:19] Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:19:21] » Thank you very much. Any other member of the public who would

[1:19:24] like to speak for or against? You'll have to state your name and

[1:19:28] address for the record. >> I will.

[1:19:31] John Budzinski, Texas.

[1:19:35] I'm having a city to listen to this and I have I really have to buy it.

[1:19:39] Um On the one hand, the village promotes

[1:19:41] businesses and these kinds of businesses in particular because

[1:19:46] I mean, the village now has a reputation for entertainment.

[1:19:49] And Stereo Garden and the VFW and the Knights of Columbus before that

[1:19:54] even fit within that uh projection that the village wants to

[1:20:00] uh communicate to the rest of the public.

[1:20:03] And I live next to clubs. So, uh I'm I'm very very cognizant of some of these

[1:20:08] issues that come up with the noise and crowd control.

[1:20:13] So, that said I I do have sympathies for the residents

[1:20:17] because I understand this concept of noise and you know, but

[1:20:23] I'm what I'm having difficulty here is there's noise and then and the owners

[1:20:27] have indicated they're not the only ones responsible.

[1:20:30] So, let's start there first of all. That beer garden area, is I don't know

[1:20:35] if it's part of this business or it's not part of the business. Is it linked

[1:20:38] up with the with the lease or is not linked up with the lease?

[1:20:41] » I tried to get after you. I had to ask me. I think that the beer garden belongs

[1:20:44] to another entity. >> Okay.

[1:20:46] So, if >> I don't want to have to clarify that.

[1:20:49] » That is true. >> All right.

[1:20:50] » Okay, it suppose it doesn't. See, this is what's going to happen with with my

[1:20:53] testimony is going. I think there are solutions here, but I don't think they

[1:20:57] all belong to the same. You know, if that I'm I think in that

[1:21:02] decision you read, they said no DJs in the state in the beer garden.

[1:21:05] » Yeah. >> And I attended a planning board meeting

[1:21:08] where they brought in a a sound

[1:21:10] expert and the planning board imposed the same restrictions in addition to

[1:21:14] whatever you impose on the beer garden. No DJs, no loud music.

[1:21:21] Someone's got to find that, but at least that's there as a reference point.

[1:21:26] » And >> And I know I know Chelsea and Fields,

[1:21:29] you know, she's been through this process. She's trying to get herself.

[1:21:33] It's not easy to go back to the village and say

[1:21:36] » Yeah. >> You got to make you got to make that

[1:21:38] call to the public safety because you continue to pursue the issues.

[1:21:43] That's what I think is happening here. I think there's a mishmash of other issues

[1:21:46] that sound and legitimate. My house can vibrate too from my neighbor from my

[1:21:52] wonderful nearby club. I understand that completely.

[1:21:55] The village has a very poor policy enforcement.

[1:21:59] Even though the code says that percussion is to be limited, it doesn't.

[1:22:04] Now, I was at the public meeting when the mayor promised to do something about

[1:22:07] it. He had to say something about the percussion. You and Chelsea and I should

[1:22:09] both go to complete work these together. And ask the board to do better.

[1:22:14] Because I think that's what's missing here. I think that that

[1:22:17] we have a we have a a deep inconsistency, sometimes

[1:22:20] ineffective policy control of sound and noise

[1:22:24] in the village of Patchogue. And that's what's happening here. I think we have a

[1:22:26] point in a larger niche.

[1:22:33] So, on the issue of noise at this facility, once you give it a If you do

[1:22:37] give it a concert, change of use.

[1:22:40] So, as a matter of law,

[1:22:44] at 11:00, uh

[1:22:48] we don't have the sound code anymore. We have the commercial noise code. I just

[1:22:52] went through this with the board actually a month ago.

[1:22:56] Standards of a lower. We don't have 70 decibels anymore. Being the standard is

[1:23:01] 55. It's not at my property. It's at the business property line.

[1:23:06] Uh so, the possibility of getting something done and tickets and court

[1:23:09] action done is very high.

[1:23:13] Maybe that strategy hasn't been employed so far. Maybe it should be.

[1:23:17] And therefore, we'll find out whether or not, as the owner says, the noise is

[1:23:21] contained. Well, you know what? Either it is or it isn't. It's a simple matter

[1:23:24] of management, finding out what the story is.

[1:23:26] » Yeah. So, so the neighborhood is affected.

[1:23:29] » Right. >> Just to be clear, the sound garden is

[1:23:31] separate entity than stereo garden.

[1:23:35] » Sound garden. >> The beer The beer garden. Sorry. The

[1:23:37] beer garden. Yeah. They used to be the same when it was

[1:23:39] before. >> Side street, side street.

[1:23:40] » Yeah, right by the garden. >> The side street owns the side.

[1:23:44] » Beer garden. >> Okay. It may. But nevertheless, again,

[1:23:48] if I'm correct, the planning board placed restrictions on that property

[1:23:52] that we managed to change owners, that property still has restrictions.

[1:23:57] So, uh it should be pursued further, but I believe and maybe I'll I'll help

[1:24:01] Chelsea figure that out, too. >> Does anybody remember what that building

[1:24:06] was? >> Which one?

[1:24:08] » It was Burgerology. >> No, it No, it was a roller right there.

[1:24:14] It was a roller right there. >> They found pieces of the ceiling.

[1:24:17] » So, so when we hear a noise, I can almost swear that you can hear

[1:24:24] noises. It was nothing but a brick building. They had a roller rink.

[1:24:28] » Are you talking about the present center building?

[1:24:29] » Yeah, yeah, the roller rink. That's why the roof goes like this.

[1:24:34] Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to be able to

[1:24:36] just get my face over the top of the rail and you'd watch everybody skate.

[1:24:43] » All right, well, I see what you're I see what you're saying.

[1:24:45] » You know what I'm saying? So, I we got to figure something out here.

[1:24:48] » I I I I see that. >> Uh that we can that'll be a

[1:24:50] not affecting the neighborhood. They can and and we can make it work somehow.

[1:24:54] » Also, just one last thing. In addition to the police reports you have, can we

[1:24:58] have like last 2 years of public safety reports as well to look at for 2

[1:25:03] seconds? >> Did they call give us any?

[1:25:05] No. >> No.

[1:25:06] So, that would also be another tool to look at anything that might have been

[1:25:09] missed. >> Yeah, and what your other idea is

[1:25:11] something that could be addressed as well. We want to talk about that.

[1:25:14] » Yeah. I agree. All right, thanks.

[1:25:17] » John, thank you. Any Anyone else would like to speak for or against the roller

[1:25:22] rink? I mean, the uh >> I just want to follow up on something.

[1:25:25] » Uh you're welcome, Mr. Sue. I've got a public. Yes.

[1:25:28] Anybody else? Guess what? Well, now you guys can come

[1:25:32] back and talk. All right. >> So, with with the concerns um

[1:25:38] of the music >> Please.

[1:25:40] » Um if there's any any day during the

[1:25:44] weekday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

[1:25:47] and if you want to come in, I'll have my sound engineer

[1:25:50] turn off the music and we'll do a private concert for you there and you

[1:25:54] can have someone stand outside and you can see that you will not hear nothing.

[1:25:59] No vibration, absolutely zero. We've done this already. And there's

[1:26:03] absolutely no I don't know where she's getting that that is happening. I'm not

[1:26:07] debunking her, but it could be, but it's not but it's not it's not coming from

[1:26:11] our side because we've done this already.

[1:26:14] We can set that up whenever We can set that up whenever you like.

[1:26:18] » And we just so you know, every event we have a sound engineer. The sound

[1:26:22] engineer basically controls the volume and what is going on.

[1:26:28] We do not want our sound to be to a level that people can't speak, number

[1:26:33] one. And number two, because it it it's what gives you the experience. Like the

[1:26:37] sound has to >> Yes, sir.

[1:26:39] » be proper in the room. >> be It can't be overwhelming. And then

[1:26:42] also, I I have a fix to the situation which obviously it it's it's just more

[1:26:46] money on our side, but it is not it would be a fix that I think would

[1:26:50] appease them and maybe appease Florida also. That at the end of the night when

[1:26:54] my security um is done vacating the facility, that they do a quick walk up

[1:27:00] and down the block, or maybe take a look at the parking lot, or maybe take a look

[1:27:03] across the street, making sure there is nobody urinating, make sure there's

[1:27:06] nobody trying to break into a car or something like that. Maybe after the 20

[1:27:09] minutes after the concert's over, just to go out there and look at things. And

[1:27:13] make a point and tell me, "Hey, bro, there's extra garbage on the block."

[1:27:16] Then we'll send someone out there to pick it up. I don't have a problem doing

[1:27:19] that as an extended courtesy um after the concert ends.

[1:27:22] » Should the board grant this special permit, you're going to ask to be a good

[1:27:26] neighbor. Second step. >> And there's my letter of

[1:27:28] recommendations. I have neighbors that never complain about it. I I am I am I

[1:27:32] they say there's garbage here, we take it out. Just the other day, a neighbor

[1:27:35] called me up because, "Listen, I got water coming off my roof that's coming

[1:27:37] into my thing." I spent $1,500 on the roof guy to come and fix the water to

[1:27:41] divert somewhere else. I am part of the community. I have invested. I own the

[1:27:44] building next door. I have three houses here.

[1:27:47] I mean, I love Patchogue. Patchogue is is a great city. I mean, the town. I

[1:27:50] love So, I have everything >> You said you own the building next door.

[1:27:53] » The old Hand Don building? >> No, the pizza place.

[1:27:55] » Okay. >> Completely completely

[1:27:56] » pizza place. Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:27:57] » It's a florist. It's a florist. >> I was just

[1:28:00] » Yeah, yeah. >> It's cute. That's what it is.

[1:28:01] » Yeah. And then we also have a house on North Ocean Ave too.

[1:28:04] » Jesus. >> So, I mean, like I said, I'm open to

[1:28:08] suggestions. I can I can immediately put that into effect this weekend. Um so you

[1:28:13] know, our neighbors down the block feels a little sense of security there doesn't

[1:28:17] feel like anyone's getting get shot or or knifed while they're sitting there.

[1:28:20] » to shut that up there. >> You know, we can make that happen.

[1:28:23] » Great. Any other questions from members of the board, especially Miss

[1:28:26] LaMontagne? >> I just have some quick questions in

[1:28:28] regards to security. I know that you said you you would have one man for

[1:28:31] every 50. So how many men does that usually like how many men do you usually

[1:28:36] have for on security for a typical event?

[1:28:39] » For what? >> I I I was beginning then you can figure

[1:28:41] out. So we always go by uh ticket sales. So as leading up the weekend we'll have

[1:28:46] a phone call with the promoter, with our

[1:28:48] staff. So we do the bar tending scheduling and then and at that point

[1:28:51] I'll say, "Hey Mike, uh the show is looking a little weak. We only got 300

[1:28:55] tickets sold." And that's how he uh plans accordingly.

[1:28:58] » There's some shows that you go in there and there's we have 30 securities. Yeah.

[1:29:02] So it's it's we don't have one or two. I mean he can

[1:29:06] contest to that. >> Yeah, they take extra precautions. We

[1:29:09] brought additional members and then cut them after a couple hours. You know,

[1:29:13] they they never mind putting on additional people just to make sure that

[1:29:17] we have adequate people for any sort of capacity that we get. Cuz like they

[1:29:21] said, we do get walk-ins as well as the resale tickets.

[1:29:24] » And real quick just to confirm and so there's been a time where we do have

[1:29:27] some extra walk-offs that we will hold people outside. So we'll let two in and

[1:29:32] two out and not to go over capacity and not to overwhelm them because my main

[1:29:35] concern for them I always tell them, "I want you guys to feel safe first." So if

[1:29:40] you ever feel that there's too many people here and you're and you can't

[1:29:43] control it, tell me I will hold the door until more people come in and around.

[1:29:47] That to me that makes them >> And that might be a line that's outside,

[1:29:50] but every other place in the in the town also have a line.

[1:29:55] You know, so it's it it it secure.

[1:29:58] » that line is not going to be, you know, maybe 10, 15, 20, 30 people waiting at

[1:30:02] the time. That's what the lines will be at.

[1:30:04] » So there's security inside and outside. >> Yes.

[1:30:06] » The a lot of guests.

[1:30:08] » There's There's capacity people that like spill over past our premises. We're

[1:30:14] in a position to have someone outside just to mitigate any sort of public

[1:30:17] relations or anything going on. Just so there's no people going in the street,

[1:30:20] cause a disturbance or anything like that.

[1:30:22] » And you said you were newly contracted? >> It's about 3 months already.

[1:30:25] » Okay. Yes. >> What is capacity?

[1:30:28] » 985. >> 95.

[1:30:30] » And just so you know as well with the knives and gun situation, we

[1:30:36] frisk every single person and go through every single bag. And right now we're

[1:30:40] saving up to have a metal detector. Just so no one is there. But I can't control

[1:30:47] what's going down on Main Street if someone, you know, how many times does

[1:30:52] this does the police come and look for other people that are not even in our

[1:30:55] place. >> No, that's

[1:30:57] That's how I did it. >> It's very difficult to do.

[1:30:59] » You can only control what you can control.

[1:31:01] » Absolutely. >> And then like I said, on our block and

[1:31:04] our block >> We can control it.

[1:31:06] » At the end of the night, members of our staff and our security will don't have

[1:31:10] any problem going up and down and just doing a quick glance over and making

[1:31:13] sure that everything looks okay. >> And to clarify

[1:31:17] what was stated, we don't take turns opening. The place next door operates on

[1:31:22] its own and we operate on our own. You can't say, "Well, Stereo's open

[1:31:27] today on Saturday and they're not." It's That's

[1:31:30] » That doesn't exist. >> So I don't know what lease they're

[1:31:33] speaking about because they open Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. This

[1:31:37] Friday we're particularly not open. We're opening Saturday. I'm sure they're

[1:31:42] open Saturday, too. So the side street dive is to the south

[1:31:47] of you. That's 11 Railroad. That's 11. Is that the one with the beer garden?

[1:31:52] » That is the outside bar. >> And just so you know, when you look at

[1:31:55] the front of the building, if you don't mind, see the two stairs?

[1:31:59] So this is >> We can't see. You can tell the people in

[1:32:04] This is our entrance. This is their entrance. It looks identical.

[1:32:09] » Okay. >> So these are two They're side by side

[1:32:12] because before Emporium had both of them.

[1:32:15] » And what our side of the VIP side >> This says we're further

[1:32:19] » And then how you see the VIP entrance >> Right. So now both those entrances,

[1:32:23] that's ours, that's theirs. >> And I used to be Burgology before I was

[1:32:27] here. Yes, >> Correct.

[1:32:31] » What's the even cater >> So our side

[1:32:35] » I know Burgology

[1:32:40] Yeah, it's a fine. Okay. Any other questions from members of the

[1:32:44] board?

[1:32:47] Any other member of the public who would like to speak for or against?

[1:32:51] Counselor, anything to add? >> No.

[1:32:54] » Do you have anything else to add? >> No, not at this point.

[1:32:57] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:32:58] » I'll take a motion on the uh >> Mr. Chairman, I move to close the

[1:33:02] application and move it to our decision. >> Motion made by Mr. Salant to close the

[1:33:05] application, seconded by Mr. Colley. All in favor?

[1:33:08] » Aye. >> Aye. None opposed. We're closed.

[1:33:10] » Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you, gentlemen.

[1:33:13] » Yes, thank you so much. >> Thank you so much.

[1:33:14] » Thank you. >> It's

[1:33:16] uh the New York State law is that we have 62 days to render a decision. It's

[1:33:21] practice of this board to move much quicker than that.

[1:33:24] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[1:33:25] » Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time.

[1:33:28] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> It's been a pleasure.

[1:33:31] Uh I I I should say the ruling Uh there is one more

[1:33:34] back here. That we have We have All right. That's closed in half, right?

[1:33:39] Okay, great. I'll take a motion on tonight's meeting.

[1:33:42] » Mr. Chairman, I move to close tonight's meeting.

[1:33:44] » Motion made by Mr. Colley to go home, seconded by Mr. Salant. All in favor?

[1:33:48] Aye. We're closed.

Village of Patchogue, Zoning Board of Appeals 8/18/26

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