[9:15] We're out of pens.

[9:18] Well they they have them on sale on Amazon for like you can buy like 100 for 10 bucks so.

[9:26] All righty guys, welcome out to City Council meeting this evening. It is March 31st, 20266. Let's see, what is it? Is it 6:00?

[9:32] Yep, 6:00 PM I'm Mayor Zach Stratton.

[9:39] I'll be presiding in this meeting and.

[9:41] We are going to jump right into the opening prayer and the pledge. I'm going to turn the time over to Ezra to lead us out in that.

[9:56] Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to.

[9:59] Be here tonight to deliberate the needs of the city we're grateful for.

[10:04] Thy hand in and all our dealings and.

[10:06] We pray that though.

[10:08] Would guide us in.

[10:10] Thy spirit as we make decisions this evening.

[10:13] We're grateful for.

[10:15] Our government and the opportunity that we have to live in a free country, we're so grateful for.

[10:20] Leadership at many levels and.

[10:22] And pray for their their safety is.

[10:26] They seek to help others.

[10:28] We're grateful for.

[10:30] This time, this evening, and say these things in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen.

[10:38] What you say?

[10:41] Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

[10:43] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

[10:47] And to the Republic for which it stands.

[10:50] One nation under God.

[10:52] Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[10:56] Thank you. Thank you.

[10:57] All right, you made it.

[11:00] And you're not even wearing a hat today.

[11:02] You do have your hat, OK.

[11:05] All righty.

[11:08] We are going to start off the meeting this evening by doing a public hearing to amend the consolidated fee schedule for the tough

[11:12] transportation utility fee.

[11:17] And Vineyard days.

[11:19] Do we need a motion to go into a public hearing or can we just go straight into this?

[11:25] We do. I yeah, I believe so. Moved.

[11:27] Do I have a second?

[11:28] Second, awesome. All in favor.

[11:31] Aye, OK. Motion passes.

[11:34] Alrighty, let's turn the time over to anyone in the public who would like to to talk about.

[11:40] This amendment to the consolidated fee schedule.

[11:45] Please come on down.

[11:47] Do us.

[11:49] Go ahead.

[11:51] Yeah, should we? Yeah, let's talk about what the change, Yes, let's do context for. Thank you so much so.

[12:02] OK, we we good. Do you want to kind of go over the the the proposed changes DK of the?

[12:07] Of the.

[12:09] Consolidated fee schedule and the Vineyard days.

[12:12] Yes, I can do that. Thank you, Sir. OK.

[12:16] OK. So it's proposed that.

[12:19] We changed the Vineyard Day vendors.

[12:24] Move the maximum fee for vendors from $100 to $200.

[12:30] Car show participants, which is a new.

[12:35] Event.

[12:36] Or 4 Vineyard dates charge $10 per participant.

[12:42] We have also a new.

[12:46] Addition to the Vineyard Days parade, which is a motorized participant.

[12:50] Business and that's $100.

[12:54] I also and I failed to skipped over one page.

[12:57] OK Umm. Uh.

[13:00] Which is the first part of the.

[13:01] Transportation. Should I? I'll just continue so Page 1.

[13:05] Sorry, it was printed front and back and I didn't notice.

[13:08] So transportation utility fee the proposal is to eliminate the transportation.

[13:15] Utility fee.

[13:16] Take it to $0.00.

[13:18] Per Eru.

[13:23] Back going back to Vineyard days, the proposal is.

[13:26] To charge motorized.

[13:28] Parade participants. Nonprofits.

[13:32] $50.

[13:33] And motorized parade participants from schools $25.

[13:39] Let me make sure I.

[13:41] Got all that?

[13:41] Yes.

[13:42] So those are the proposed changes. OK, awesome. Thank you so much.

[13:46] Any discussion from council on that before we open up for public comment?

[13:51] Just to make sure resident the residential fees removed as long as along with the business residential and business fees.

[13:58] They're all removed.

[14:00] Yeah, OK.

[14:01] Awesome.

[14:02] Yes, please. Come on down.

[14:08] Daria Evans, Vineyard resident also Villas resident. I just want to.

[14:13] Clarify what I just heard.

[14:15] Are we?

[14:16] Making it now that there is no.

[14:19] Tough no transportation utility fee for residents and businesses.

[14:25] This is.

[14:26] In perpetuity.

[14:29] No, no fee for.

[14:32] Road maintenance.

[14:34] What are we just going to?

[14:37] Rely on B&C Class Rd. funds.

[14:39] To maintain our roads throughout the city.

[14:44] That's that's a great question. Thank you so much for that. So.

[14:48] And also I just want to ask.

[14:50] To go along with that.

[14:51] How many businesses were affected by the?

[14:55] Greater amount.

[14:57] Based on the square footage, how many really were?

[15:00] In a world of hurt.

[15:01] Because of that.

[15:02] Sure. And.

[15:05] Yeah. I just want to know how we're going to fund Rd. maintenance if we are just going to $0.00. Thank you so much.

[15:11] Parker, you really dug into this. Do you want to respond to that or do you want me to?

[15:15] Yes, I would be happy to.

[15:18] Although I don't have any fancy comments prepared so we're going off the cuff. There we go.

[15:25] So.

[15:26] I have been an advocate for removing the transportation utility fee.

[15:30] Since the day I learned it was enacted.

[15:34] There I'm going to address both your questions, but just to share the context really quickly.

[15:39] After those first.

[15:41] Businesses receive their utility bills.

[15:44] And word started coming out about it.

[15:48] Obviously there were some really big egregious ones and that would be most of the ones that were 1600 N area or larger.

[15:54] Like the megaplex was like $7000 a month.

[15:59] Which?

[16:00] Those kind of fees, I think one are egregious and not representative of the actual.

[16:05] Problem they were trying to solve.

[16:07] The as you saw in the work sessions and the council meetings where we had the.

[16:13] Civil engineering firm.

[16:15] And the contractors that.

[16:16] Did the studies come out on that?

[16:19] The root cause of the road damage is.

[16:22] The Heavy.

[16:23] Construction vehicles, trucks using the roads and putting wear on them.

[16:28] One of the things that I felt was.

[16:30] Most egregious about this was.

[16:32] For example that one that went.

[16:34] Pretty viral on Facebook. The $5000 fee that was the same as their lease.

[16:39] Previously.

[16:41] Those people use 900 feet.

[16:44] Of vineyards, roads.

[16:46] I mean from entering Vineyard to their place of work.

[16:49] And it's all residential. I mean residential vehicles like cars, commuter traffic.

[16:55] That's not.

[16:56] Reflective.

[16:58] Of an appropriately structured fee in my opinion.

[17:01] The second aspect of that is that it's not a friendly.

[17:06] Tool to use to incentivize business and where we know we have.

[17:10] Huge.

[17:11] Pains and issues with the residency when it comes to property taxes and we have to build and bolster our sales tax to alleviate

[17:15] that burden.

[17:18] We have to make Vineyard as friendly as possible for more businesses to come into Vineyard.

[17:23] And so removing the transportation utility fee, I think aids in that.

[17:27] It wasn't just.

[17:28] Large businesses, though, that were.

[17:30] Affected by that, by the square footage I mean.

[17:33] For example, I reached out to.

[17:35] The yard development where we have the strip mall or those.

[17:40] Like the restaurants over there you got?

[17:42] Mopeds, Little Caesars, The chiropractic office.

[17:46] Some of those.

[17:47] Businesses have already gone.

[17:49] Out of Vineyard because of fees that were associated.

[17:51] Not just with the city, but with that developments and their common.

[17:55] Area usage fees.

[17:57] So adding the tough on top of it.

[17:59] All of those.

[18:01] I shouldn't say all because I didn't talk to all of them.

[18:03] All of the ones that I spoke with said when our leases up were out of this fee stays.

[18:08] So there was no.

[18:10] Chance.

[18:11] That.

[18:12] The studies conducted on these fees.

[18:14] We're actually going to generate the revenue that they said that they were going to generate.

[18:19] Because every single one of those businesses intended to leave.

[18:22] When they started getting the additional bills.

[18:25] So I think that this is 1 and important step.

[18:28] In making Vineyard more business friendly.

[18:31] Two to answer your questions more specifically.

[18:34] As we dig into the budget and we look at.

[18:36] Where we have levers to pull and how we can.

[18:39] Balance this.

[18:40] I'll just be very upfront. I'm operating from the perspective.

[18:44] That.

[18:45] We don't have a.

[18:48] Revenue problem.

[18:49] Or a tax problem.

[18:51] We have a spending problem.

[18:53] We need to cut the spending.

[18:56] In line with what revenues we can generate in a reasonable manner.

[19:00] So when we look at how we're going to fund.

[19:02] The roads, there's some additional levers that we can pull one.

[19:05] If we get the rest of our expenses in check and I think that we're pretty much on track to see.

[19:10] About a 15% reduction in our overall.

[19:13] Spend from last year's.

[19:15] Fiscal year budget.

[19:17] If we can actually achieve that, that frees up a lot of money to help with the road maintenance.

[19:21] Additionally.

[19:22] I've reached out to our RDA director about this.

[19:26] A couple months ago and I've talked to some of our.

[19:28] Administrative staff and finance director about can we use?

[19:32] RDA monies.

[19:34] To maintain or build the infrastructure that is still active in the RDA and to my understanding, we can use.

[19:43] Some of those monies for some of those things under certain.

[19:45] Purposes and guidances.

[19:47] I'm not the legal expert on that, so I'm going to not comment too in depth on it just because I don't necessarily have the best

[19:51] understanding of where those nuances lie.

[19:57] But it seems that we're actually, I think, in a position where we can leverage a lot of that stuff that hasn't been done

[20:00] previously to alleviate some of this burden.

[20:06] I think with a structured approach like that.

[20:09] And also.

[20:10] You know, kind of cutting where our.

[20:12] Frivolous, more frivolous expenses are across the budget as a whole will be in a position to cover the expenses. Now, that's not

[20:17] to say that it's going to be.

[20:21] Easy.

[20:23] And maybe the road quality will be a little bit worse.

[20:26] But I would much rather.

[20:28] Deal with a slightly bumpy Rd. on occasion.

[20:32] Then continually tax ourselves out of prosperity.

[20:37] I hope that all made sense.

[20:39] Thank you, Parker.

[20:40] Any other comments?

[20:43] On this from Council.

[20:45] Kim, please come on up, Sir. Thank you.

[20:52] That was loud.

[20:56] Yeah, I heard the.

[20:57] The comments about heavy duty vehicles, those primarily that are working in subdivisions that are being developed or projects that

[21:00] are being developed.

[21:04] But I didn't hear anything about.

[21:06] Them bearing any kind of.

[21:07] Cost in association with that.

[21:10] Wear and tear that they're putting on the roads when the rest of us are barely touching it.

[21:14] May I?

[21:15] Please go ahead. Yes, so.

[21:18] Those development agreements.

[21:21] Are all largely in place, so the transportation utility fee isn't something that we can use.

[21:26] Directly to.

[21:30] Better address that issue.

[21:32] So we need to look at another Ave. to do that and that's I think part of why.

[21:36] We've had the discussions both.

[21:38] In public, and I know that the mayor's been working on this as well.

[21:41] Renegotiating the impact fees and the agreements that we're having with.

[21:46] The developers that are active in Vineyard and putting that wear on the infrastructure.

[21:50] Because we.

[21:51] I mean, ultimately.

[21:52] Even if those impact fees don't directly fund.

[21:55] The road maintenance.

[21:57] What they do do is alleviate a financial burden somewhere else that allows us to use the general fund then to.

[22:02] Cover down on the road maintenance.

[22:05] Thank you.

[22:07] Any other comments?

[22:10] Counsel.

[22:12] OK.

[22:14] I would just echo the.

[22:15] The mayor's done a phenomenal job.

[22:19] Shrinking the size of our government. I know he'll have further.

[22:22] Information on that in terms of what he's going to request in the upcoming annual budget?

[22:26] And I know the.

[22:27] The reorganization has been.

[22:29] Extremely successful in that and we always increase in revenue, I mean anywhere between 800,000 and a million and if you look at

[22:34] the cost reductions.

[22:39] That the mayor has done. I feel confident how it comes together is going to be Parker, you know, putting it together and if he's

[22:43] got confidence to be able to make it happen. I the numbers are there.

[22:48] And there's further cuts that we think we could make.

[22:53] And I just think looking at the.

[22:56] What they're thinking about doing? It's possible.

[22:59] And I would rather and same thing.

[23:01] You can look up and down.

[23:03] A Geneva road and everyone's chosen the other side of the road.

[23:08] And they looked at the current landscape and for us to go at a tough.

[23:13] It's like, wow, they already weren't picking us so.

[23:16] Piling it on.

[23:17] We've got to be more competitive to get them to our side of Geneva Rd. so.

[23:23] Thank you.

[23:23] Any other comments?

[23:26] Councilman Nair, yes, I do have.

[23:28] Quite a few.

[23:30] Do we want to close the public hearing first? Do we have anyone else from the public who wants to? Yeah. Do we have anyone else?

[23:40] Yeah, we could, but.

[23:42] Yeah, yeah.

[23:43] The reason I asked is I know it's going to be on here later as a as a business item where we can do that. But if we're in the

[23:48] public hearing and we're already talking about it, can we just continue the conversation And that way if somebody has a question

[23:53] when it comes up, they can just come participate still? Sure, sure. I would like this to be as open to the public as possible.

[23:58] Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[24:02] So.

[24:04] I did not vote for this when this was adopted late last year.

[24:09] Primarily because at the time.

[24:12] I was still kind of vying to be. This was my very first meeting where this was adopted and.

[24:16] I had read through a lot, but I hadn't had.

[24:18] Enough time to dig into the actual study of the transportation utility fee.

[24:22] And.

[24:24] Just from first glance it looked.

[24:26] Excessive.

[24:28] Mostly because of the structure of it.

[24:31] For residents, we had a nice flat rate for businesses that kind of scaled based on size.

[24:36] And.

[24:38] I know there was some urgency. Based on what?

[24:40] Some of the members of the state legislature were pushing that.

[24:44] Basically required certain.

[24:47] Certain activities that happen before implementing a fee.

[24:52] To to make sure that those fees directly tied to the impacts.

[24:58] That businesses or residents had on the roads.

[25:01] So. So with that, I chose not to vote for that.

[25:06] But I am concerned.

[25:09] With getting rid of it entirely.

[25:11] I know the business.

[25:13] Communities, it's too high.

[25:15] This structure, like I said before, is. It's not.

[25:18] Relevant to where it's not directly correlated with the impact that they have on the road. So I do, I do want to.

[25:26] Significantly lower that.

[25:29] But I am concerned about our budget.

[25:32] I know.

[25:34] We've identified areas to.

[25:36] Provide some reductions, but I haven't yet seen.

[25:39] The 1:00 to 1:00.

[25:42] Cuts equalling.

[25:45] Things that we are.

[25:47] Going to be able to do to reduce our.

[25:49] Our revenue as well.

[25:52] My main concerns with that on the transportation utility fee are.

[25:56] That.

[25:59] Road maintenance is.

[26:00] A lot cheaper than Rd. rebuilding.

[26:03] It's not just about having a worse quality of life, but it's about.

[26:07] Putting a greater burden on our future.

[26:11] By delaying.

[26:12] Routine maintenance if there are any routine maintenance.

[26:18] Things that get ignored because of our inability to fund this.

[26:22] It will cost us five times more.

[26:25] To rebuild in the future rather than.

[26:27] Trying to.

[26:28] To smooth out that curve and and focus on maintenance.

[26:32] I do think there's room in between to to have a reasonable fee.

[26:36] Much much lower like.

[26:37] Talking 10X lower.

[26:39] On businesses than.

[26:41] What we've been charging and that more of a.

[26:44] A flat rate would be well, but.

[26:46] I I recognize that if we remove this entirely.

[26:50] Reinstating it would.

[26:53] Require us to follow.

[26:54] That entirely new study process at the states outlined.

[26:58] For doing something like this so.

[27:00] I just want to.

[27:02] Make sure.

[27:03] That, uh.

[27:05] Whatever it is that we do here.

[27:07] Is directly correlated with.

[27:09] Reductions to the budget and actually looking at the numbers and saying.

[27:13] Here's how much revenue we're going to lower.

[27:16] Here's how much expenditures we're going to lower.

[27:18] And short of having.

[27:21] A more in depth analysis on that.

[27:23] I just don't feel prepared to.

[27:26] Completely eliminated, but I would like to propose a significant reduction of it.

[27:31] And instead of having.

[27:32] A per KSF. Just switching that to a.

[27:36] Flat rate per month.

[27:40] Something that.

[27:42] We previously brought up, and I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but I'd like to just maybe get the.

[27:47] Conversation around it.

[27:49] Was that when somebody.

[27:51] Files for a business license.

[27:53] Or reapplies for a business license that the fee would be built into the business license.

[27:58] Could I just maybe collect some?

[28:00] Feedback or thoughts on that as opposed to it being a monthly?

[28:04] Utility fee.

[28:09] There seem to be a lot of people, or a lot of.

[28:12] Draws on that possible.

[28:14] Business License.

[28:15] We talked about that as a way to help us with the overpopulation.

[28:19] Over occupancy area. Sorry.

[28:22] Of and so.

[28:23] If we layers.

[28:24] If we layer lots and lots of fees on top of the business license unless it becomes unwieldy.

[28:29] Out of curiosity, just a second and 3rd order effect here that I don't think we previously considered, but I'm glad you just

[28:33] brought it up, David.

[28:37] Is there's been discussion about us creating a?

[28:41] Essentially the requirement for if you.

[28:43] Have a rental unit in Vineyard? You get a business license for that.

[28:47] In doing that, you now set yourself up for the.

[28:50] Business transportation utility fee as well.

[28:55] So we already are layering on.

[28:58] More and more and more, it's just where they.

[29:00] Getting from now. I'm not an advocate for keeping the transportation utility fee at all.

[29:06] My theory is.

[29:10] OK, for example, let's take the forge.

[29:13] Right, we know we're struggling to get.

[29:16] An entertainment anchor.

[29:17] In the forge, right?

[29:19] If we look at.

[29:22] Topgolf.

[29:23] Or we look at.

[29:25] Megaplex.

[29:27] What are?

[29:29] And I apologize because I know Evan's not here, so we're not going to have the exact answer.

[29:33] But how much sales tax revenue do they generate for the city each year?

[29:38] And if we think about it in terms of that.

[29:40] Right, I think Evan sent an e-mail earlier today.

[29:43] To all of us.

[29:44] That specified, you know, the transportation utility fee.

[29:47] For the remainder of this year, the projection was something like.

[29:50] $525,000 or maybe $600,000, but in that range.

[29:56] My theory is.

[29:58] You make more money.

[29:59] If you can actually become more business friendly.

[30:02] And you can land somebody that's going to generate significant revenue in the city in such a way that we.

[30:08] Benefit from the tax dollars, the sales tax revenue more so than the tough.

[30:12] And so my thought is, how can we?

[30:15] Get the fees out of the way.

[30:17] So that we can incentivize business to actually come here and actually grow.

[30:22] That revenue source?

[30:26] I'm sorry.

[30:27] Well, Chip, would you like to just while you come up, what would be your thoughts on? Oh, yeah, come on up, Come on up, Chip.

[30:33] What would be your thoughts on?

[30:35] It sounds like.

[30:36] The business.

[30:37] I mean, the business is my biggest concern.

[30:39] Yeah, umm.

[30:40] With the residential units for example.

[30:43] If you have.

[30:44] A rental unit.

[30:46] Then both the homeowner and the rental each pay that fee and so it kind of balances out the.

[30:52] The impact on the roads.

[30:54] Rather than.

[30:55] Just looking at property taxes, which.

[30:58] You know you're just looking at the home value.

[31:00] So what about?

[31:02] Potentially.

[31:03] Eliminating the business fee.

[31:04] To recognize that.

[31:06] You know, we want businesses to come in, but.

[31:09] Still maintaining the residential.

[31:12] I can recognize the logic there. I am not a huge fan of keeping.

[31:18] More fees on the residents, I mean we already.

[31:21] By a significant margin have.

[31:23] High property taxes and fees across the board.

[31:26] I mean just in the last.

[31:27] Two years we've seen.

[31:28] The property tax go up, we've seen the water rates go up, we saw the sewer rate go up like.

[31:33] It's at some point.

[31:36] The government has to acknowledge the fact that we are outspending what we can.

[31:41] Continually generating revenue and we have to curtail the spend.

[31:46] And I'm.

[31:47] Fine to like on that that approach I'm fine to.

[31:50] Eliminate fees to reduce taxes.

[31:53] Once we've.

[31:55] Definitively identify those things, that's what.

[31:57] I want to make sure we're not.

[31:59] Putting the cart before the horse on.

[32:01] Cutting our.

[32:02] Revenue before we've cut our spending, sure.

[32:04] So chip could chip please chip price Providence one of the things that I really that.

[32:10] Really. Kind of.

[32:11] Gets in my craw about.

[32:13] About.

[32:14] Fees is that?

[32:15] This is just a normal, another form of taxation.

[32:18] And if you guys are not getting to a place where you've you've already maxed out your tax bracket.

[32:24] That you can legally.

[32:26] Put upon the people of Vineyard.

[32:28] If you're at that.

[32:29] Max bracket. That means that you guys are doing it wrong.

[32:33] Right. You should be able to run this city and provide your services and not have.

[32:38] To have big spending problems if you have maxed out your credit card.

[32:44] US where your credit card.

[32:45] Right.

[32:47] If you guys keep.

[32:49] The environment at a place where it is nominal and and functional, then you're going to draw in people that are going to.

[32:56] Backfill.

[32:57] That deficit that you have.

[32:59] And so.

[33:00] My biggest concern and my biggest problem is that once you put it.

[33:04] Tax or a fee in place?

[33:06] They're there. Very, very few times does the government come in and say, you know what?

[33:13] We filled our coffers. It's time. We're going to turn this off. That doesn't happen.

[33:17] Because they're like.

[33:18] What for? We can continue to use this for this other project I have?

[33:22] Biggest problem with government?

[33:24] So if you guys can find a way to make it so that you guys are drawing in business and drawing in people.

[33:29] You get more of us moving into Vineyard, you get more people moving.

[33:33] Their businesses.

[33:34] UVU actually wants to put their stuff here.

[33:37] All that stuff is going to generate exactly what you're looking for, so maybe putting a Band-Aid on it.

[33:42] Not a bad idea.

[33:43] Let's just get through the next.

[33:45] 10 years and.

[33:47] Maybe your tax base will be there.

[33:50] Thank you.

[33:52] Any other comments?

[33:54] Discussion from Council.

[33:57] Thank you for that comment, I really appreciate that the the long term view has always been.

[34:02] Key. In my mind I do.

[34:05] I am.

[34:08] I made this promise as I was running that Vineyard would have.

[34:11] The uh.

[34:13] Lowest property taxes in 20 years.

[34:16] And.

[34:18] Depending on the decisions that are made over the next 20 years, that can absolutely happen.

[34:22] I'm confident we can provide the absolute best services.

[34:25] While maintaining the lowest taxes as we continue to grow and and see those economic benefits come in.

[34:31] And so.

[34:32] I just want to make sure that along the process.

[34:34] We're not setting ourselves up by.

[34:37] You know, not maintaining.

[34:39] Our road for a dollar now.

[34:41] That we have to pay those, those 5 dollars, $10 expenses down the road on that long term curve so as long as we can.

[34:48] Identify that I'm absolutely supportive of getting rid of these fees.

[34:52] I do know it is a goal of this council as well to to cut taxes significantly.

[34:57] And so I want to make sure that.

[34:58] If we're going to.

[35:00] Start pulling levers. Let's make sure we're.

[35:03] Not pulling all of them off at the same time.

[35:06] If if we do need them to maintain.

[35:08] One thing I don't want to do is.

[35:10] Just to deficit spend without any.

[35:13] Certain structure. I mean, if we've got.

[35:16] A structure laid out for the next three years of hey, we have a plan to spend it to our reserves.

[35:21] These years.

[35:23] Recognizing that our goal is to continue to get more businesses, continue to get more sales tax growth.

[35:29] That's something I could get behind, but.

[35:32] Just as long as the plan is there, essentially.

[35:36] I'm super supportive of.

[35:39] Turning the lever off right now, I think for the businesses, it makes a ton of sense to turn that lever off right now.

[35:45] But anyway, those are.

[35:47] Thanks for that are my thoughts.

[35:48] On transportation utility fee only.

[35:53] There was something in here about giving the mayor authority to.

[35:57] Reduce fees and I just wanted to talk about what.

[36:00] What that?

[36:02] Was for or.

[36:05] If we think that's a good idea.

[36:07] I suspect that that is it's just in the language of the past hearing, but it's not weirdly written. I think that that is probably

[36:11] just referencing.

[36:16] That we're talking about.

[36:18] In the business item, having a resolution to amend the fee schedule.

[36:22] OK. Does that mean that?

[36:24] You're going to null and void the last month of everyone's.

[36:27] So the thought behind this so as our code.

[36:31] Currently states.

[36:33] So tomorrow morning.

[36:35] If we don't act.

[36:36] So we kind of got behind the 8 ball on this.

[36:39] Utility bills go out tomorrow morning, April 1st.

[36:43] Right Wednesday, Thursday. Thursday.

[36:45] So how how the code currently sits is and if we wanted to reduce that, if we just if I just wanted to say OK.

[36:53] Listen when we need.

[36:54] Throttle this down to a dollar a door.

[36:56] Right. Currently that leverage, I can't pull that lever, so we have to come in here. So we kind of earned this little boondoggle

[37:00] of the situation where it's.

[37:04] Where?

[37:05] The intent is.

[37:08] Obviously not to chase off our businesses, right? And I'm concerned if this goes much further.

[37:14] The it's it's getting pretty ugly.

[37:17] For a lot of companies out there.

[37:20] So this would allow us.

[37:23] To do that, I'm sorry. Go ahead if this resolution passes.

[37:26] That that goes away, correct the the bills. There's no need then for any other additional power to lower fees.

[37:33] That's not required. So do you want me to address this resolution? Sure, please. So.

[37:38] As we were unpacking all the.

[37:42] Fun of the tough.

[37:43] We also.

[37:44] Were finding frustrations.

[37:46] With trying to.

[37:50] Established fees for Vineyard days.

[37:52] Because.

[37:53] And you know.

[37:55] We wanted the ability to say, OK, well, maybe we'd.

[38:00] Don't want to charge? Let's say a particular like.

[38:03] And city.

[38:06] Recognized nonprofit like the Heritage Foundation, maybe we don't want to charge them for.

[38:12] Parade entry.

[38:13] We wouldn't have the option to not charge them.

[38:17] Under the fee schedule.

[38:18] Because the fee schedule is set.

[38:20] So. So it gave us no flexibility.

[38:24] And the mayor had no power to adjust the fee schedule. And so we thought, well.

[38:29] This may be the fee schedule.

[38:31] Can be the maximum.

[38:33] The city can charge for fees.

[38:35] And then we.

[38:36] The mayor was given the authority to be able to make.

[38:44] Adjustments downwards that would.

[38:46] Be appropriate.

[38:47] Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.

[38:50] Yeah, that makes sense. I would just.

[38:53] Want to disagree with that approach and.

[38:56] Keep it as.

[38:57] Either the Council creates a policy.

[38:59] Where we identify exactly what will.

[39:02] Consider lowering fees for.

[39:04] Just so that the mayor doesn't.

[39:06] I mean if we if we in theory.

[39:09] Just told the mayor you can lower fees as much as you want. Everybody's going to be banging down his door.

[39:13] Saying to lower his fees.

[39:16] Rather than kind of bringing it to a public process and.

[39:19] Saying that this is.

[39:20] A decision of the.

[39:22] The whole to.

[39:23] To reduce a fee in any given circumstance.

[39:25] I think we we could easily create a policy that identifies, hey, what kind of operations do we want to?

[39:31] Lower fees for but.

[39:32] I would just have concerns with.

[39:35] Not having that.

[39:36] Come to the Council.

[39:38] So there are already.

[39:42] Circumstances that are in current code.

[39:44] Where the mayor can reduce fees.

[39:47] And that's for fines.

[39:49] Well, I think that's what Ezra is bringing up, is that we should just.

[39:52] Write a policy in code that actually specifies when that can be done.

[39:57] Versus just giving him blanket authority.

[39:59] OK. I think if our legal counsel were here, he would.

[40:03] Advise us that once we give.

[40:05] Away a power to the somebody it's impossible to get back correct.

[40:10] I think he is here. Is he on the mic? He was on the call. He was not here.

[40:16] Carol, any other comments on this?

[40:20] Alrighty, I will.

[40:24] Entertain a motion to leave the public hearing.

[40:27] So moved.

[40:29] Do I have a second?

[40:30] 2nd.

[40:31] All in favor.

[40:32] Aye.

[40:33] Awesome motion.

[40:34] Passes. OK, let's jump down to 5 #5.

[40:39] Mayor and council members disclosures and recusals. Do I have any?

[40:44] Any disclosures?

[40:47] So that is going to be that is.

[40:50] On that is 8.8 weight .1. It's on the back David.

[40:56] 8.1.

[40:58] What's that awesome?

[41:03] OK. Any disclosures from the Council?

[41:08] OK, I made a joke.

[41:10] Just so that everyone can be clued in on the joke, I told Jacob Hold away that he needs to disclose all the ways he is financially

[41:14] benefiting from 400 S right now.

[41:19] Yeah. So I'll take the time since the emails have been coming in.

[41:23] I live at 392 hold away Hold Away road and I purchased my home.

[41:28] Well, after the right of way was purchased.

[41:32] And so.

[41:34] The uh.

[41:35] I am not gaining financially either way on the road being widened or not widening and the.

[41:42] Right of way will stay the same.

[41:45] And I believe in both plans, the traffic.

[41:47] Is not changed in both situations, the speed limit stays the same.

[41:53] In both situations and the traffic and the bike lanes are still provided in.

[41:58] Both situations so.

[42:01] And it's kind of a.

[42:03] Unfortunate. Umm.

[42:05] The property and.

[42:06] In uh.

[42:09] Affected is my father's property.

[42:11] And you know, my dad was the first to set up stand up for Wakara Way.

[42:18] And put forth a donation of 1/4 mile of.

[42:22] Easement to make that trail happen.

[42:25] And I know it yet hasn't happened.

[42:28] But to be to get bombarded with emails that my dad is trying to profit off of this.

[42:34] There is.

[42:35] 3 competing master plan.

[42:37] Projects that do not line up.

[42:40] For those that don't know, so.

[42:42] The east of my house.

[42:44] Where the Rileys and the Fernandez don't or not Fernandez?

[42:49] The.

[42:51] Does not line up.

[42:53] With uh.

[42:53] My side of the road.

[42:55] And so having them line up with two completely different master plans is the purpose.

[43:02] We do not own the right of way on my father's property as a city and when this came up in October and November I recused myself

[43:08] from and there was no official vote, but if there would have been.

[43:13] To purchase that or not purchase that.

[43:16] On that specific issue I would have recused myself, but it never got to.

[43:22] Eminent domain.

[43:24] I can promise that if it does come to eminent domain.

[43:26] That I wouldn't vote on that specific issue.

[43:29] But I ran on making 400 N or 400 S safe and I would 100% vote.

[43:36] And I ran on that. So anyway, just.

[43:39] Full disclosure, I don't make any money on that so.

[43:41] Thank you, Jake.

[43:42] Any anyone else from council?

[43:46] OK, hearing none, we will move to the public comment.

[43:50] Tony, did we get? Do you have the?

[43:53] Anyone like to?

[43:55] Public comment.

[43:57] Participate in that.

[43:58] Come on up, Daria.

[44:09] Again, Daria Evans, Dulles Vineyard resident.

[44:12] I just want to.

[44:15] Thank all the residents of Vineyard.

[44:17] Who have participated in?

[44:20] The donations for the library.

[44:23] Getting into that $750?

[44:26] Raised amount.

[44:27] To help the library, we have a great community.

[44:30] And I'm just.

[44:31] Really thrilled we had those donations.

[44:34] I would like to speak about a couple of agenda items later.

[44:39] On resolution 26.

[44:41] Dash 19 and also Operation Shield, if I have that opportunity. Thank you. Thanks, Daria. Thanks, Daria.

[44:49] We got David Pierce.

[44:51] David.

[44:54] David Pierce from the Cascade neighborhood.

[44:57] Having participated in.

[45:00] That library fundraising event?

[45:03] I gotta say it was wonderful.

[45:05] To have the community come together like that.

[45:08] Our house was one of the drop off point.

[45:11] For donations.

[45:13] And we were swamped.

[45:15] So it was.

[45:16] It was wonderful.

[45:18] To be part of that.

[45:21] I also have.

[45:22] Some comment that I want to make.

[45:24] On.

[45:25] Resolutions that are coming up.

[45:28] So.

[45:31] And I.

[45:33] I just want to let you know that like.

[45:40] I.

[45:43] I want to make a comment that I did if I can about please earlier.

[45:49] Issue.

[45:50] And that is the fee schedule.

[45:52] I agree with.

[45:54] With.

[45:56] Councilman Larae's comment.

[45:58] Once a legislative body gives up power and authority.

[46:04] It's difficult to get it back.

[46:06] And when you give up authority?

[46:10] You give up.

[46:11] Our voice.

[46:12] As citizens.

[46:15] So you shut us out.

[46:16] Of that discussion.

[46:18] That may deal with funding.

[46:20] Taxes and fees.

[46:22] Thank you.

[46:23] Thanks, David.

[46:25] OK.

[46:27] Seen no other public.

[46:29] Crystal, come on up.

[46:31] Is anyone else?

[46:33] After crystal, OK.

[46:35] Crystal, price, Providence. I'm just wondering where we're at.

[46:38] On transferring the HOA.

[46:41] To the citizens.

[46:43] The water's.

[46:46] It's been 8 years and I believe flagship is built out.

[46:51] That's all.

[46:52] Thank you. Are we allowed to?

[46:55] Say, could we add that to a?

[46:57] A few further.

[46:59] Agenda item that has come up so many times.

[47:03] The the state has just created an HOA.

[47:06] Protection Task Force.

[47:08] It's a new department that and like there are.

[47:11] So many drink.

[47:13] That at least 20-30 times that they say.

[47:16] In our.

[47:18] Contract and maybe just direct our attorney to look into this base to describe it. Jesse, it's.

[47:24] Usually an HOA has some sort of percentage point.

[47:27] 50%, Seventy percent, 80% built out.

[47:30] And what it's done is it's like.

[47:32] Daisy chained from one development to the next development and then they've had like 5 or 6.

[47:36] And obviously this is a private organization, but like.

[47:40] It has yet to be turned over and I believe they've then connected it to Utah City like.

[47:45] It's one in the same now with Utah City and it's like.

[47:49] So just looking into that like.

[47:51] As a city, do we have legalities to get into that? Does the state, do we direct them to the state?

[47:56] And if so.

[47:57] Could we bring it to a?

[47:59] A future.

[48:01] Working session to get to the bottom of it.

[48:04] Sure.

[48:05] Legally, yeah.

[48:05] We're gonna comment as well. Jacob would. Yeah, I was just gonna say I received a lot of complaints as well, and I believe I'm

[48:08] referring to Water's Edge.

[48:11] I think that it is built out so we.

[48:15] I support being on a.

[48:16] Would you take the assignment to?

[48:18] Reach out to Jesse and just get Yeah, well, since this is HOA, can we leave it with Jacob? Yeah, let's not. That's me, but sure,

[48:22] let's do that. We reach out to Jesse, kind of. Let's get to the.

[48:26] Start digging into that So we'll start looking into it. That is the first time I've heard about it.

[48:31] I've heard plenty of 400 S issues right? Too much?

[48:37] Thank you.

[48:37] Yeah, OK, awesome. I just, you know, I say stupid things because if I say stupid things then I'll it won't be so stupid later when

[48:41] I learn from them.

[48:46] Could the residents?

[48:49] Collect 75% signatures in their neighborhood to secede.

[48:53] From the HOA.

[48:55] I'll second that.

[49:01] Do I have to call that to a vote since it's been David, I mean motion. It's just, you know, the question for legal, we need to

[49:06] collect information from Mr. Riddle because.

[49:11] Right now as I understand it right the code.

[49:13] So it was a joke, but I mean, there's some logic behind it.

[49:16] Our city code says if.

[49:18] Citizens want to initiate.

[49:20] Something for their neighborhood or their their.

[49:23] Community.

[49:24] That it needs to go to a 75%.

[49:26] Signatures for residents in that community and if you hit that threshold.

[49:30] Then the Council has a significant reason to.

[49:32] Perform an action. Yeah. So I I don't know, I mean, I know there's the HOA protection law, but I would just be curious and.

[49:38] Can you actually?

[49:41] As a collective.

[49:43] Leave the HOA, we'll have Jacob. I would just make a note of that. I would just say the property owners are private entities in

[49:48] the HOA is a private entity, so.

[49:53] The only thing I believe that's given to us is the.

[49:57] The master agreement.

[49:59] When they did the planning and what?

[50:01] When it would be turned over, was told to the.

[50:04] City, right?

[50:05] So we could help those private entities with information.

[50:09] Of what?

[50:10] What was promised during the city, But let's have our attorney look into, yeah.

[50:15] Yeah. Thank you.

[50:17] OK, any other public comments?

[50:19] All right, seeing none, we will move down to the work session.

[50:23] For the Easy park presentation and discussion, I'm going to turn this over to Jacob Wood.

[50:28] And uh.

[50:29] Yes, I invited an easy part to come give a presentation. So as we've been many a choice, I've been looking to find a way to have

[50:34] enforcement.

[50:39] But to make sure that enforcement isn't towing first or towing only. So this is a company I found.

[50:46] Offers a more progressive form of enforcement. So I invited to come. They drove all the way down from Saint George I believe.

[50:52] And.

[50:55] Yeah, yes, I started.

[50:56] Thank you. Come on up, gentlemen.

[50:57] Thank you.

[50:58] Thank you.

[50:59] All righty. Thank you so much.

[51:01] Yeah, thanks for inviting us here. Yeah, like Jacob said.

[51:05] From Saint George, but we're working up here, so.

[51:08] And just for a little bit of background, a little bit of history.

[51:11] I've worked up here for.

[51:13] Years as far as my.

[51:15] Background repossessions, impounds, PPI's.

[51:18] All the companies, all the tow truck.

[51:20] Signs you have out there that's.

[51:22] That's what I did, but then I sold that when?

[51:24] We founded this.

[51:27] Just a couple years ago.

[51:28] So.

[51:29] Just yeah, Dave Terry.

[51:31] And I'm Cam Terry.

[51:34] So we just found a.

[51:36] Or tighten a lot more.

[51:38] Tech company you know to run this to enforce we can do everything that.

[51:42] My tow company used to do, but without taking people's cars.

[51:46] And it's so much cheaper for him.

[51:48] And you can still.

[51:49] Provide compliance so.

[51:54] But like I said over the 25 years that I've had.

[51:57] With parking enforcement experience or.

[51:59] Our foundation that comes from understanding and sorry, we don't have this up there that.

[52:05] Since this was an apple.

[52:06] The low connection was for a Mac, so we'll just kind of look at it and read through here.

[52:11] But.

[52:13] Like I said, easy park it was.

[52:15] Accepted and founded in Saint George, but it's growing so fast now we're up in Oregon.

[52:20] Also met with the committee up in Rexburg with BYU.

[52:24] And got that municipality going up there, so we can do everything from municipalities.

[52:29] Private HOA's even working with the Larry H Miller Group, Wasatch Group.

[52:33] So different types of properties from commercial down to residential.

[52:38] Yeah.

[52:40] So.

[52:42] One of the one of the things that.

[52:44] Kind of sets us apart.

[52:45] Is.

[52:46] Are innovative enforcement.

[52:48] So we have an all in one.

[52:53] Basically all inclusive.

[52:56] Parking ecosystem.

[52:57] So this.

[52:58] We have a license plate.

[53:00] Based enforcement system and and permit system. So there's no need for, no need for.

[53:06] Sticker permits.

[53:08] Or hang tag permits, we can do digital permits and then how we.

[53:12] Cross reference that is with a license plate reading camera car.

[53:16] And.

[53:17] We built this out.

[53:19] Because.

[53:20] With his background of 25 years in the towing industry, we realized that there's a lot of stress. There's a lot of.

[53:27] Confrontation. There's a lot of friction.

[53:29] That.

[53:30] Is caused from towing.

[53:32] And we're like, there's gotta be, there's gotta be a software approach.

[53:35] A better approach?

[53:36] And a more acceptable approach.

[53:39] And that's where we found.

[53:41] That's when we built out the license plate reading camera car and then we ticket.

[53:45] Or notices of noncompliance.

[53:47] And we issue those.

[53:50] We have fixed cameras.

[53:52] That can be installed at like commercial entrances or commercial.

[53:56] Lots the entrances we can do mobile LPR on.

[54:01] Oh yeah.

[54:05] Let's see here.

[54:06] Look at Mr. it, you might be in luck.

[54:11] Let's see here allow this.

[54:24] Let's see.

[54:26] What?

[54:27] What do I need to do now?

[54:29] So I plugged it in. I allowed it.

[54:31] You haven't talked there.

[54:35] OK. And then that goes into this.

[54:38] Dongle to the dongle.

[54:54] Cross our fingers.

[54:56] Maybe.

[55:13] It would have worked.

[55:15] And what if?

[55:16] OK, I downloaded that app to.

[55:20] OK.

[55:23] Air.

[55:25] Oh, I see.

[55:29] Let's see, let's try airplane.

[55:31] This won't this won't work OK.

[55:38] OK, screen mirroring.

[55:44] I'm on the. I'm on the guest Wi-Fi.

[55:46] Does that change?

[55:48] What is the?

[55:48] Wi-Fi the TV.

[55:50] Thread behind you on the wall here.

[55:52] OK, I'm on that one. Perfect.

[55:55] Should pull up them.

[56:11] Would this bring up the TV?

[56:15] OK. That's what we're trying to do. It's not pulling up.

[56:25] OK, yeah, let me get on that one.

[56:31] OK, so it's Vineyard.

[56:34] OK. And then?

[56:39] 4.

[56:40] 05.

[56:42] 77.

[56:56] There it is.

[56:58] So East.

[57:00] North.

[57:11] It's trying it on the north.

[57:20] Oh, OK.

[57:23] 8300.

[57:38] There it is.

[57:41] Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your help.

[57:49] Awesome.

[57:50] OK, so.

[57:55] So yeah, we talked about the.

[57:57] The license plate reading or the license plate recognition?

[58:00] And we can do that mobile.

[58:02] Which I think mobile makes most sense for.

[58:04] For Vineyard and we kind of drove around and saw some of the locations that we discussed with Jacob and.

[58:10] And so mobile would probably make the most sense.

[58:13] We do. That is, we just have these cameras on this car and it'd be going around and checking.

[58:18] The streets checking the private parking lots or the public parking lots, making sure that people.

[58:22] Have have their permits.

[58:24] And so.

[58:25] With this approach.

[58:27] We didn't remove.

[58:28] Boots on the ground, we upgraded them.

[58:30] Easy Park replaced outdated tow truck enforcement with mobile LPR camera vehicles.

[58:35] Creating a smarter automated system. The result is a win, win, win.

[58:39] Less frustration for residents, better oversight for property managers or city members.

[58:44] And more efficient consist.

[58:47] Enforcement.

[58:48] Our system drives higher compliance with a more organized and modern approach.

[58:52] So and just for a little update on the enforcement.

[58:55] A lot of our neighboring states.

[58:57] Where we're busy too.

[58:58] Is.

[58:59] They're changing the law. So like, we've all seen it here in Utah, where?

[59:02] Tow trucks can drive around on patrol.

[59:05] And then they see a violation.

[59:06] And they take it.

[59:08] The states are doing away with that, so that's why we're getting so busy and.

[59:11] In Colorado and Oregon.

[59:13] Because you need a third party company like Easy Park. We come in.

[59:17] And you have to verify it and then dispatch the toe.

[59:20] And I don't know if Utah will go that way, but our neighboring states.

[59:23] Are which it makes sense like just more eyes on it.

[59:27] So it maintains that we're the judge, you guys.

[59:31] Then it comes to us as a city to approve if it can or cannot be towed to dispatch it, is what you're saying.

[59:37] It would fall but that way there's a still this has to come from another company I see instead of 1 tow truck driver saying I'm

[59:41] gonna take.

[59:45] Right. OK, that makes sense.

[59:47] Yeah, so this is our car.

[59:49] This is the.

[59:50] So there's the car on the left and a zoomed in picture on the right of the camera.

[59:54] And so.

[59:55] It's just a normal little Nissan and where you can just we can build it out with our technology and.

[1:00:00] And it works.

[1:00:03] This is all a better approach to parking.

[1:00:06] We believe parking should be simple, fair and efficient for everyone.

[1:00:10] Traditional parking.

[1:00:12] Enforcement has long relied on reactive, labor intensive methods like towing.

[1:00:16] This often leads to frustration and consistency and negative interactions with the public.

[1:00:20] With our Win Win Win program, we solved a constant headaches of towing and create organization for the roads and streets. This

[1:00:26] organization provides open parking for those who need to park and a cheaper, safer option to those who violate the rules.

[1:00:33] And then?

[1:00:34] On the right.

[1:00:35] There there's.

[1:00:37] Little picture of.

[1:00:38] What?

[1:00:39] The permit kind of looks like.

[1:00:41] And we do have a.

[1:00:42] A demo we actually built out.

[1:00:44] The vineyard area with some of the properties that we've been talking about and so we can show you that how.

[1:00:51] That looks on a map. There's little pins pins everywhere of the properties that could.

[1:00:56] Have the permits or for people to reserve parking.

[1:01:00] OK, why this works? Why Easy Park leads the industry in parking enforcement.

[1:01:05] Because it reduces friction and improves experience.

[1:01:08] With the license plate based enforcement, it removes the need for physical permits.

[1:01:12] And eliminates confrontation.

[1:01:14] This creates A smoother, more user friendly experience.

[1:01:17] Kinda like how you mentioned we did this, you know, with the city up there in Rexburg.

[1:01:21] For years.

[1:01:22] BYU students.

[1:01:24] Even citizens to park on the road, they had to go into the.

[1:01:27] Mayor's office and there'd be a long line and they'd have to get physical permits.

[1:01:30] So they loved this.

[1:01:32] They don't even have to deal with that anymore.

[1:01:34] Drives compliance without aggression and structured progressive enforcement model encourages voluntary compliance.

[1:01:40] First, leading to fewer violations and repeat offenses.

[1:01:45] It ensures transparency and accountability.

[1:01:47] All activity is digitally recorded and reportable.

[1:01:51] Giving cities and property owners full insight into operations.

[1:01:55] So it really is a true win, win, win.

[1:01:58] Residents win. That's less stress. Clear rules.

[1:02:01] Cities when property owners better control an organization enforcement greater efficiency, fewer conflicts.

[1:02:10] So the the whole system.

[1:02:13] Is designed and built.

[1:02:14] To scale.

[1:02:15] So.

[1:02:16] As Vineyard grows.

[1:02:18] The uh.

[1:02:19] Parking demand is going to is going to rise, it's going to increase and I'm sure you guys have already kind of felt that already.

[1:02:25] As vineyard is is very dense.

[1:02:27] And so that.

[1:02:28] That demand as it drives.

[1:02:29] Higher we can.

[1:02:32] We can scale with that.

[1:02:34] And so.

[1:02:36] This we.

[1:02:38] Our easy park we can manage public.

[1:02:40] And private properties.

[1:02:41] Under 1 system that is.

[1:02:43] That is the beautiful thing about.

[1:02:45] Easy Park.

[1:02:46] With being a complete parking ecosystem.

[1:02:48] From you, You're not going to have vendors.

[1:02:51] Having.

[1:02:53] Digital permits.

[1:02:54] And that's all they.

[1:02:55] Do and enforcement and that's all they do. We are a complete package and we can do public and private.

[1:03:03] We standardize enforcement.

[1:03:06] So.

[1:03:07] Enforcement will all be the same from public and private Signage is going to be the same and we actually brought some signage

[1:03:10] examples.

[1:03:15] Some different sizes.

[1:03:16] And we pay for the signs and we install them.

[1:03:20] Yeah. So our team will do that and.

[1:03:23] Depending on where it's at, you know, it might not say pay for parking, might just say register for parking. We.

[1:03:27] We build the signs.

[1:03:28] How you guys want?

[1:03:30] And so that is.

[1:03:32] Kind of depends on.

[1:03:33] What the signs are for?

[1:03:35] But then the compliance across all zones.

[1:03:38] So we can, we can zone out.

[1:03:40] Different, different areas of Vineyard. So we might have zone A.

[1:03:44] Be, say, the vine.

[1:03:46] Or.

[1:03:47] Zone B is and we can.

[1:03:50] Name the zones, just whatever they.

[1:03:51] The complexes are the preserve the.

[1:03:55] Alloy. Umm.

[1:03:56] However that looks.

[1:03:57] Will make it so that.

[1:03:59] People can.

[1:04:00] Choose.

[1:04:01] Choose the alloy, say and purchase their permit there or.

[1:04:04] Get their permit if they're not purchasing it, yeah.

[1:04:07] Provide centralized reporting and management for the city leadership. So you guys will have.

[1:04:11] Full transparency to see everything and as.

[1:04:14] As the city expands and parking demands increase, Easy Park ensures that systems remain consistent, efficient and easy to manage.

[1:04:22] And along with that, when I first met Jacob.

[1:04:25] I was up here 2 weeks ago.

[1:04:27] And with K&R?

[1:04:29] Their property management company, we do a lot of their properties in Saint George. They've been asking us to get up into here.

[1:04:34] So I was in his office and he wants to switch over the.

[1:04:37] Water's edge.

[1:04:39] Lakefront, Lakefront, OK.

[1:04:43] And then he told me about.

[1:04:45] Come to talk to the city of Vineyard.

[1:04:47] And then so while I was here, I went into a lot of the private big complexes.

[1:04:50] And it really was like 95% of people.

[1:04:54] Like can we do this and how soon can you get up here?

[1:04:57] Because.

[1:04:57] When you're when you're a manager on a complex.

[1:05:00] Someone gets towed.

[1:05:01] They're coming in the office and.

[1:05:03] They're ticked off.

[1:05:05] So they.

[1:05:05] They loved this.

[1:05:09] Yeah, so we are.

[1:05:11] Or sorry, did you have some?

[1:05:13] No, go ahead. OK. So more, more than a vendor.

[1:05:16] As easy.

[1:05:18] We will.

[1:05:19] We are a true partner.

[1:05:20] And as a true partner, we'd commit to.

[1:05:22] Make parking easier to manage, easier to enforce, and easier to for the public to understand.

[1:05:27] Do more than just provide enforcement. We'll take ownership of the entire parking ecosystem. Act as an extension of the city.

[1:05:35] From implementation to daily operations.

[1:05:38] To long term optimization we will work with integrity.

[1:05:41] And a citizen first mentality.

[1:05:48] OK, So what this means for Vineyard?

[1:05:51] And how we'll move forward in these different phases 1 unified system.

[1:05:55] A single platform managing all parking environments, public roads, private streets, residential areas.

[1:06:00] Commercial zones.

[1:06:02] Eliminating fragmentation and confusion.

[1:06:05] One accountable partner.

[1:06:07] No juggling multiple vendors kind of, Cam talked about.

[1:06:10] Or systems Easy Park provides clear ownership.

[1:06:13] Consistent communication and full accountability across the entire city.

[1:06:17] One streamlined solution, Standardized signage enforcement technology and reporting.

[1:06:23] Creating a seamless experience for residents, visitors.

[1:06:26] And city leadership alike.

[1:06:29] And then as the implementation plan.

[1:06:31] Phase I.

[1:06:33] And usually it's about a 3030 day implementation.

[1:06:37] Project and so phase one is planning and setup.

[1:06:40] So we'll identify the zones or different properties that you guys would like us to.

[1:06:44] To patrol.

[1:06:46] And.

[1:06:47] And then?

[1:06:48] Customized rules and enforcement strategy.

[1:06:50] So if it's let me add to what the planning and setup.

[1:06:53] Lot of the complexes will keep.

[1:06:55] The current contract at the tow company.

[1:06:57] Because whatever escalation system we set up, say like if it's two tickets first.

[1:07:02] And a boot, then the tow company.

[1:07:05] We have dispatched that tow.

[1:07:06] So they can, you can keep those contracts, but all you do is call them and say hey.

[1:07:11] We're only going to call you on the call in basis.

[1:07:14] Yeah, no more petroleum for the tow truck.

[1:07:17] So in phase one as well, we had customized the rules and enforcement strategy. The rules are going to look different for every.

[1:07:23] Every property, some might be no street parking, some might be only permit, some might be fire lane and.

[1:07:29] And handicap.

[1:07:30] So however that looks.

[1:07:31] We'll build that.

[1:07:33] And customize that for you.

[1:07:35] Phase 2.

[1:07:36] Installation. So we're going to have our sign.

[1:07:38] Signs printed and then.

[1:07:42] Installed.

[1:07:43] Through our signage.

[1:07:44] Team and then system configuration. So what this looks like is geofencing every.

[1:07:50] Every property and.

[1:07:52] Coding the different rules, coding the different.

[1:07:55] Permits and so.

[1:07:57] There's a lot that goes in behind the scenes for the coding of the technology.

[1:08:01] But uh.

[1:08:01] It's a pretty quick process and then Phase 3 is go live, so we choose a date, say May 1st or June 1st.

[1:08:08] Begin enforcement with a grace period so we might have a.

[1:08:11] A week or two week where we give warnings.

[1:08:14] And then public education and communication will build out materials for you guys.

[1:08:19] And we can go.

[1:08:21] And do whatever we need to do to help you.

[1:08:24] The best that we can to just get the word out there that things are changing.

[1:08:28] Because the last thing we.

[1:08:29] We want is for the residents to be confused on.

[1:08:32] Why? Why they got a ticket or why?

[1:08:35] Why they now had to have a permit or however that looks.

[1:08:39] Phase 4 optimization. Ongoing adjustments if necessary based on data.

[1:08:43] Monthly reporting and performance reviews.

[1:08:46] So we want to be very communicative with you guys.

[1:08:49] Whether it be monthly, quarterly?

[1:08:51] Or however that looks.

[1:08:52] To to make sure.

[1:08:54] We are always aligned with you and doing the things that you guys want and need.

[1:09:00] And that's it. So.

[1:09:02] We wanted just to prepare a little brief.

[1:09:04] Overview Brief summary of.

[1:09:06] The basics that we cover.

[1:09:08] And then we wanted to just answer any questions that you guys have.

[1:09:11] Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[1:09:15] Can you explain so?

[1:09:17] You're not for the public. This is not a towing company you guys dispatched to.

[1:09:22] A company to do that enforcement.

[1:09:23] Correct.

[1:09:24] Yeah, but you do patrol with your vehicle to scan the license plate and if the license plate comes back, they don't have a permit

[1:09:30] then they either they ticket first. Can you explain how much the ticket would cost?

[1:09:38] Yeah. So the ticket on average is $100.

[1:09:42] So it's 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of a tow.

[1:09:45] And so.

[1:09:46] That's what all of our Saint George properties have in Oregon.

[1:09:51] We we kind of average around 7075.

[1:09:54] And so it kind of varies between 75 and 100 bucks. So a lot cheaper than a tow.

[1:10:00] And then?

[1:10:02] We can decide.

[1:10:03] With you guys, how you'd like it, if it's a ticket, ticket, boot, or if it's four tickets or three tickets, then a boot.

[1:10:09] And then a toe.

[1:10:10] And the boot is $75. It's cheaper because it keeps our car there. The ticket is a little bit more expensive because they have the

[1:10:14] freedom to be able to.

[1:10:18] To leave.

[1:10:19] And uh.

[1:10:19] And so.

[1:10:20] That's kind of where those prices.

[1:10:22] Kind of come about.

[1:10:24] So you guys?

[1:10:25] Sorry, when you when you get, you know, I've got a question from Jesse Tips.

[1:10:30] OK, there you go.

[1:10:34] Yeah, let's take Jesse's question right now.

[1:10:39] Jesse's our city attorney. He's I was just wondering, do do you sell your data?

[1:10:45] To third parties.

[1:10:46] So for example if I.

[1:10:48] Live in Vineyard and you have my license plate information.

[1:10:51] Are you selling that information? Is the picture?

[1:10:55] I would ask a couple questions here, which is a no no when you're a lawyer.

[1:10:58] But.

[1:10:59] Do you take a picture of only the license plate or the back of the tire?

[1:11:02] The back of the vehicle or the whole vehicle?

[1:11:05] What? What is it limited to that you're you're?

[1:11:08] Yeah. So we do not sell the data.

[1:11:11] And.

[1:11:12] The the enforcement pictures we require.

[1:11:15] Our enforcement.

[1:11:17] Officers to take a minimum of four pictures.

[1:11:20] For legal evidence shall end.

[1:11:23] To keep both us and you guys protected as far as like.

[1:11:27] Them saying we damaged their car or something.

[1:11:30] Along the lines of that.

[1:11:31] And so we take a minimum of four pictures. Those are uploaded to.

[1:11:35] The.

[1:11:36] The dashboard.

[1:11:37] And then you guys can see it. We can see it.

[1:11:39] Everyone can see if there's ever a question about it, but what are the pictures?

[1:11:43] Is it a picture of? I would assume 4.

[1:11:46] License plate. A picture of the car parked illegally from the front side. Rear. Exactly so So yeah. License plate.

[1:11:52] And then try and get all the different angles so that.

[1:11:55] We're we're covered on.

[1:11:56] On all angles.

[1:11:59] And so did I understand correctly you do not sell your data.

[1:12:02] Correct.

[1:12:04] OK. Thank you.

[1:12:05] Yep. Can I ask how you make money?

[1:12:09] Yeah.

[1:12:10] Yep.

[1:12:12] We make we make money on on the permits.

[1:12:14] So how?

[1:12:16] We so we talked to Jake.

[1:12:18] About this, so we normally charge around $10 a permit that covers all the management is that for permit per month or per year,

[1:12:22] per, per month, so.

[1:12:27] With with Vineyard.

[1:12:28] We discussed with all of our business partners and said well.

[1:12:31] We'll drop that down to $5.00 because.

[1:12:34] Because of the volume.

[1:12:35] So let me pause it this and maybe just collect your feedback.

[1:12:40] We talked about 3 or 4 different other.

[1:12:43] Companies besides Easy Park over the course of the last week, sure.

[1:12:47] And.

[1:12:48] Those companies that.

[1:12:49] Typical pricing model was something like.

[1:12:52] 10 to $60.00.

[1:12:54] Per household.

[1:12:56] Per year.

[1:12:57] And then they make money on the toe.

[1:12:59] Now you guys aren't?

[1:13:00] Obviously doing the toe, you're not making money on the toe.

[1:13:04] But then you're.

[1:13:06] Like one of the conversations that we're having is we want these to be citizen.

[1:13:09] Initiated.

[1:13:11] And driven, you know.

[1:13:13] Discussions.

[1:13:15] Because we don't want to make a decision that.

[1:13:17] Puts a financial burden on a bunch of residents unnecessarily.

[1:13:21] So I guess my question is.

[1:13:25] When some of these neighborhoods, if they choose to proceed with parking enforcement, are you willing to?

[1:13:30] Maybe.

[1:13:31] I guess just so they have the information but get competitive with the pricing.

[1:13:35] Are you making money on the tickets outside of the permits or just the permits? Who? Who funds on the tickets? Yeah, yeah, we'll

[1:13:39] make money on the tickets too. And then if it required a boot.

[1:13:44] And you make money on the booth. So my and I guess my theory or I'm just sharing the information to share the information we're on

[1:13:47] the public here.

[1:13:51] If you're doing $10 per.

[1:13:54] Pass per month.

[1:13:56] Right, you have a minimum of.

[1:13:58] A double.

[1:14:00] The multiple of what one of some of these other companies were looking at on the upfront cost. So that's probably a pretty big

[1:14:03] deterrent when it comes to people choosing to use you.

[1:14:07] But additionally, we were talking about, for example, Lecheme, not in Bridgeport, right? That's roughly 200 homes.

[1:14:13] And out of those 200 homes, that would be $2000 a year.

[1:14:17] To get the coverage in those areas and then those companies make their money on the actual toes.

[1:14:21] You're talking about.

[1:14:23] You know $10 per pass if you have 4 passes per.

[1:14:27] House. I mean, that's the code essentially.

[1:14:31] I mean, it's just it seems almost exorbitant to me now. I don't have a dog in the fights. And so I'm not trying to shoot you guys

[1:14:35] down on that. I just want you to know, yeah, these are the conversations that people are having and you're not in the ballpark

[1:14:39] when it comes to the upfront fee.

[1:14:43] Yeah. So it would be $5.

[1:14:45] It'd be $5 a month and.

[1:14:47] That pass.

[1:14:48] Can have as many cars as.

[1:14:50] As it as it needs. Gotcha. So it's not actually per car, correct. OK. You're doing the pass per household then yes, Yeah, you

[1:14:57] could do yeah. So 4 Max 5 Max. So if we're doing an apartment complex, an apartment.

[1:15:04] Say a 101.

[1:15:05] Has.

[1:15:06] 3 bedrooms and you guys want a three CarMax?

[1:15:09] We can set that.

[1:15:10] Set that permit to three.

[1:15:11] And so everyone in that household.

[1:15:14] Can can be on that permit for $5.00 a month.

[1:15:17] Now how do you do tailored?

[1:15:19] For example.

[1:15:20] One of the things that was concerning to the Council as a whole, I think last week when we were talking about it, was.

[1:15:25] The larger families, right? It's Utah.

[1:15:27] We got some big families in Utah.

[1:15:30] If you have, you know, three teenage drivers plus mom and pop and you've got 5 cars, do you make?

[1:15:35] A specialized, you know, does the council have to make a request to you? Is that something that a resident can send a notice and

[1:15:39] say, hey, we need a fifth pass?

[1:15:43] How does that process work for you?

[1:15:44] Yeah, Yeah, we can. We can do it however you would like. If you would like the request to come to us, we can handle it if you'd

[1:15:48] like it to work through you.

[1:15:51] Then we can set it up that way.

[1:15:54] So then, yeah, we can.

[1:15:56] We can allocate 5.

[1:15:57] To that household and.

[1:16:00] And so that's not that's not a huge deal.

[1:16:02] So like on properties like big apartment complexes, that's usually goes to the manager. So if it's different with this, then yeah,

[1:16:05] it can come to us.

[1:16:09] In my theory, and and this is just sharing where I'm at for everybody.

[1:16:13] Would be that we run that kind of stuff through the code enforcement and the code enforcement officer gets developed and you

[1:16:16] agreed you guys can do that, right?

[1:16:19] Work with code enforcement? Yeah, absolutely. So that you can work that. The code enforcement would be the one that triggers the

[1:16:22] toe.

[1:16:27] Say it. Repeat that.

[1:16:28] You can be the, you can set it up so that the code enforcement officer is the one that triggers the Boo or toe. Yeah, yeah, not

[1:16:32] you.

[1:16:37] Self defeating in your app through your app, right, But the decision like the adjudicator is the government entity, yeah.

[1:16:47] For huge, yeah, I'm pulling down so much that I mean in the complex, well, because they'll look at it and say, hey, this is a

[1:16:52] mistake here, this is a mistake here, hey, we're going to do it. And they get to know the community you guys probably wouldn't get

[1:16:56] to know.

[1:17:01] Yeah, community as well as.

[1:17:03] The code enforcement officer was sure just because we're in the work session. My argument against that though, would be that then

[1:17:06] you're.

[1:17:10] You're doing the job twice.

[1:17:12] So you're paying the code enforcement and you're paying.

[1:17:15] Easy Park.

[1:17:16] For the adjudication when it really only takes 1.

[1:17:19] Is is that on an app though? Is that like on a phone that they would log into and see the evidence or see the?

[1:17:26] That he could see the code enforcement. You see the. Yeah. So you see the one explained the dashboard. You guys said you have a

[1:17:30] dashboard. People can like a dashboard where they can see. And he said we would have access. So I mean, it would just stand to

[1:17:35] reason you could send that to the code enforcement as well. Sure. Yeah. So we can build that dashboard too.

[1:17:40] To however, works best for Vineyard.

[1:17:43] So. So yeah, if we want to.

[1:17:45] Make a system where a code enforcer can just put in.

[1:17:48] Into a section. Hey, license plate ABC123 isn't supposed to be here.

[1:17:53] It can automatically dispatch our driver.

[1:17:55] To go over and place a ticket.

[1:17:57] Or.

[1:17:57] Or we can give certain code enforcers the tools to be able to just do it themselves.

[1:18:05] Some mayor When the presentation is done, there's a comment from the back. Yeah. Anything else from council? Let's.

[1:18:13] One more quick question. We have a lot of different neighborhoods.

[1:18:17] Does it have to be all or one, or could we meet with individual neighborhoods and say they're ready, They're ready, They're sure?

[1:18:21] Yeah, we have a lot of neighborhoods that don't need it.

[1:18:27] Yeah.

[1:18:29] Fantastic, yeah.

[1:18:31] Because see our system even.

[1:18:33] If they.

[1:18:34] If the apartment complex is going to make money on the permit.

[1:18:37] NCR system even does that and then because most apartment complexes charge.

[1:18:42] Around 50 I'd say average a month on a on a permit but.

[1:18:46] They're making that revenue OK.

[1:18:49] Councilman there.

[1:18:51] What do you do when people don't pay the tickets?

[1:18:54] We assume 30 to 40% pay.

[1:18:57] So we just eat the cost.

[1:18:58] On the other 60%?

[1:19:02] OK, it's.

[1:19:03] OK, sorry this is just been.

[1:19:05] The back and forth.

[1:19:06] That we've had for the last.

[1:19:07] Two months? Sure.

[1:19:09] If.

[1:19:11] E ticket me.

[1:19:12] Can you give me the citation? 100 bucks?

[1:19:14] And I say.

[1:19:15] Not going to pay that. I mean it's on the public record now that you are assuming that 60% of people are going to pay.

[1:19:22] Yeah, so now we just choose to not pay.

[1:19:24] Parker, don't say that out loud. Don't say that. They already said it.

[1:19:28] Now I guess the question is.

[1:19:30] The escalation policies than what actually puts teeth behind that, is that correct?

[1:19:37] Because it's just like any bill. I mean, if they don't pay, it keeps going on, it's going to go to collections. I do have a

[1:19:42] question. So if they don't pay the ticket and then you boot the second violation, do they have to pay the ticket and boot?

[1:19:47] Or they just pay the bill.

[1:19:49] We normally just charge the boot.

[1:19:51] Yeah. So it doesn't stack on, yeah.

[1:19:53] I don't argue you should stack it on and and we can.

[1:19:57] We need to look more into that. We haven't looked too close. We.

[1:20:00] Honestly, we've been a little hesitant on that because sure.

[1:20:03] We don't want to.

[1:20:04] We don't want to cross a line.

[1:20:06] You know, and so.

[1:20:07] We in Texas, I know.

[1:20:10] I know that's a strong thing to do that, but it can get aggressive because some people have $1000 of outstanding tickets before

[1:20:14] they get a boot.

[1:20:17] So.

[1:20:18] We've just been doing a boom.

[1:20:21] Sure, Jacob, do you have a?

[1:20:24] Could you come up to the microphone that be great and state your name for the microphone please Sir?

[1:20:33] Yeah. Thank you.

[1:20:35] I'm Jacob Schooley. I am in Lakefront and actually I'm on the HOA board for the lakefront townhomes and had some questions about.

[1:20:43] Quite a few things actually. So.

[1:20:44] One thing I was thinking for the escalation policy, is it customizable so to where like let's say somebody pays a ticket, the next

[1:20:50] time they get another ticket. If they choose not to pay the ticket and then they violate again, then they get booted. And that

[1:20:55] could serve as like motivation to pay the ticket the first time so that they're not late to work if they mess up again.

[1:21:02] Yeah, OK. Because that I mean that could increase rates of paying the ticket and.

[1:21:08] Would still, you know, teach a lesson?

[1:21:10] Fix your past before you park.

[1:21:12] I also want to provide some context on the price situation, so.

[1:21:17] Jacob, do you have numbers at the top of your head for how many households we have in lakefront?

[1:21:23] I do not 600 something 91 I think.

[1:21:26] 691 units. 691 units. OK, so let's say we have 691 units.

[1:21:31] And that's $10 a month per unit.

[1:21:35] Then the total, let's say the lakefront offers different, right?

[1:21:39] Take the discount bro, he already offered you five, $3455 a month, Jacob, isn't it $3?

[1:21:47] Then they say $3. Yeah. Was that $3 a month or three dollars?

[1:21:51] Bike for just to set it up.

[1:21:53] That's so it'd be it'd be $5 a month, but that is.

[1:21:57] That can be charged to the residents.

[1:22:00] So then the HOA.

[1:22:03] I will say that the residents in Lakefront will be would be very against a monthly fee to be able to park in their neighborhood

[1:22:06] because in the past like.

[1:22:10] That's something they haven't had to deal with and like the towing is annoying but.

[1:22:15] Like nobody wanted to pay a monthly fee at least for the first pass. The second pass we charge 75 a year and that would cover the

[1:22:19] second pass. But for the first pass, like to be able to park your first car in the neighborhood?

[1:22:25] That's something that's.

[1:22:27] That's something that will be a major sticking point.

[1:22:29] Well, I I think tonight isn't about.

[1:22:32] Forcing any neighborhood to do this, it's like this is such an incredible option.

[1:22:36] That it's like we've researched something that people want and it's like.

[1:22:40] We can go to the different neighborhoods and say, is this something that you guys want to do and.

[1:22:44] Pulled that vote amongst each neighborhood.

[1:22:47] You know.

[1:22:48] Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Let's do this if you could.

[1:22:52] Gentlemen, if you could send this presentation to Council.

[1:22:55] And it it along. Do you have their phone number if they want to? If anyone from council wants to reach out directly, can we also

[1:23:00] post it as part of the general notes?

[1:23:07] Awesome. No, this has been super helpful. We sure appreciate that your conversation real quickly. I probably missed this. How do

[1:23:12] you get the license plates into the system?

[1:23:17] Do people enter their own license plate information or do you?

[1:23:20] How's that done?

[1:23:22] So we have.

[1:23:23] We have a few different ways that we can do this. The easiest way.

[1:23:26] Would be that we we send out a link or we set up our whoops, sorry.

[1:23:30] That we set up our signs that have the QR code.

[1:23:33] And and then the residents can scan that and download their permit right then and there or click on the link from the e-mail.

[1:23:40] Or from a flyer, however that looks.

[1:23:43] And then?

[1:23:45] They'll fill out the information, we can set it up to where there is. They had to put in an address and even apartment unit

[1:23:48] number.

[1:23:52] And that's how we can do the Max. So like one apartment might have 31, apartment might have one, it might be a studio. And and so

[1:23:56] that's how we can do the Max. And so they'll fill it out.

[1:24:01] Or.

[1:24:02] We have done this for properties in the past. This would be a huge workload for us.

[1:24:07] Which I should, I should maybe offer this, but I'm going to. But we can do it all ourselves.

[1:24:12] And we can go around and.

[1:24:13] We've door knocked in the past.

[1:24:15] And gathered information that way. It's a lot slower process.

[1:24:19] But we're willing.

[1:24:21] I want to say that just so you know, we're willing to work with you on however.

[1:24:26] We get that information. That's awesome. Thank you.

[1:24:29] OK. Thank you, gentlemen.

[1:24:31] For this event, super helpful. Was there other questions?

[1:24:33] Yeah, I've got another one.

[1:24:35] That's all right.

[1:24:36] You did mention that you have a demo of the of the website and how it works for residents, like be able to switch license plates

[1:24:40] and things like that. Okay.

[1:24:44] That would be that would be something that be great to see because one I know one thing that we that a lot of residents are be

[1:24:48] interested in is how easy it's going to be to switch between license plates and also what the policies are for if there's

[1:24:52] technical difficulties that are not.

[1:24:57] User related.

[1:24:59] If it's if like something goes down on your end, who's responsible for the ticket because they couldn't switch, like things like

[1:25:02] that, yeah.

[1:25:05] I'll send it to you. Awesome.

[1:25:09] Thank you so much, gentlemen. You guys are great. Thank you.

[1:25:11] OK, let's jump to get a question in the back.

[1:25:14] Or a comment, OK, we're just, I'm just trying to wrap this up. Would this be something that you could directly just take them,

[1:25:18] take this outline on the foyer or would you like to, I mean?

[1:25:23] Come come on up yet?

[1:25:26] So a question, a few data questions for you along with the lawyer.

[1:25:31] What is your retention?

[1:25:34] Mr. Moss, could you share your name?

[1:25:35] Oh, Steven Moss with Britt.

[1:25:37] Bridgeport Thank you, Sir.

[1:25:39] We keep it as long as needed.

[1:25:40] So as long as that.

[1:25:42] As long as needed.

[1:25:43] OK. And then second, where is your data stored?

[1:25:46] It's so we we start with.

[1:25:49] With the.

[1:25:50] A third party OK and so.

[1:25:53] They're they're called resolve.

[1:25:54] OK. And where do they store it?

[1:25:58] My question is, is it in China? Is it in Russia? Is it in US?

[1:26:02] OK, their data stored.

[1:26:04] Which though might be in different places, so I'm concerned about that.

[1:26:08] Yeah, it needs to stay.

[1:26:11] In the States if.

[1:26:12] Public comments on addressing us. And I also don't like that your attention is hey, hey, Sir.

[1:26:17] That stock adjust the chair please, what's your question and we can sorry my question is I'm heavily against data usage that's

[1:26:22] indefinitely stored.

[1:26:26] Cuts definitely against.

[1:26:28] Anyone that's in it? Sure. So thank you for thank you for that. Appreciate you. Thank you for the comment. OK, we're going to wrap

[1:26:33] this up and we're going to get going to the. Could I just have one last quick suggestion?

[1:26:39] Could we put this?

[1:26:41] And just.

[1:26:42] We've got a handful of companies that use the digital passes and so I'd love to just.

[1:26:46] Put out to bid.

[1:26:47] Let's I would suggest having the City Council kind of select a unified. I would hate to have like 6 different.

[1:26:52] Things throughout the cities so.

[1:26:54] Why don't we?

[1:26:55] There's nothing to put out to bid right now.

[1:26:57] All of the neighborhoods.

[1:26:59] Eased off.

[1:27:01] I mean like.

[1:27:02] Generally speaking, they're looking for the results of we have to strings and Providence.

[1:27:07] Actually we have to put out forbid anyways. Yeah, we have.

[1:27:11] That's the other guy that's going to happen anyway. Quit.

[1:27:13] Vacated the contract, yeah, yeah, so.

[1:27:15] I was just suggesting we just have a unified. So any neighborhood that wants to opt in, they use the contract that we set will

[1:27:19] probably get a better rate.

[1:27:23] Having the economy of scale from something like this.

[1:27:26] Thanks. OK.

[1:27:27] Awesome. Thank you, guys.

[1:27:29] Appreciate it. OK. We're going to move to business item 8.1 at this time.

[1:27:36] Let's talk about this.

[1:27:38] I know that there was some people in the in the thank you guys for coming. Sure appreciate it and.

[1:27:46] Awesome. You guys are great. Appreciate it.

[1:27:49] All righty, let's have a discussion about 8.1. If anyone in the in the is we're going through this discussion and we have any

[1:27:53] members from the audience that would like to talk, if you could just raise your hand as we kind of go through the deliberation. We

[1:27:58] can, we can call and, and have you come up.

[1:28:03] On that as well so.

[1:28:05] Moved to 8.1 resolution 20.

[1:28:08] 26-1 Amend the consolidated fee schedule.

[1:28:11] Council, any, any comments about that? Yes, Mr. David Kyle over there.

[1:28:18] You have it pulled up in front of you, correct? We didn't get physical copies. So just to save me the time from going and pulling

[1:28:21] it up online.

[1:28:26] What was the actual verbiage in the resolution when it came to granting the mayor?

[1:28:31] The powers to amend fees, so it says, only to make non substantive.

[1:28:38] Administrative adjustments as necessary.

[1:28:42] Based on our previous discussion, do we want to just remove that Section 5 and it says a city manager rather? Yeah, city manager.

[1:28:49] Or designee.

[1:28:51] Is authorized and directed to implement the provisions of this resolution.

[1:28:55] As we have no city manager, we probably ought to make it something like the mayor or designee.

[1:29:00] We don't want to give away that power, right? That's what we were previously talking about, City Council or designee.

[1:29:06] So it's non substance. I mean, it's really just small adjustments. It's to be constrained, sure, but like Mr. Riddle would say if

[1:29:14] he was here, who defines what the small adjustment is? Because to me a small adjustment is literally any fee on that fee schedule.

[1:29:24] Well, I would argue that the.

[1:29:26] The tough is not small, so.

[1:29:30] The point being.

[1:29:31] It's a subjective decision.

[1:29:33] Can we say for the immediate?

[1:29:35] 30 days. So that way he's solving it. So it's a time constraint. Well, no, no, no, no, no. This is a separate thing that right

[1:29:38] we're talking about.

[1:29:42] Amending an adopted or accepting a resolution for an adopted amended fee schedule that already removes the tough.

[1:29:48] We're talking about in addition to that.

[1:29:50] Giving the mayor power to reduce the fee schedule on different things. And it is to reduce, not to raise.

[1:29:57] Correct, that was.

[1:29:58] On purpose so that there's but I will give credit where credit is due and Ezra's point protects us from some favoritism and.

[1:30:06] Perceptions of those kind of things. For example, if I want to go become a vendor, now it.

[1:30:10] Vineyard Days.

[1:30:12] Zach could waive my fee then.

[1:30:13] And that would.

[1:30:14] Probably not be the correct thing to do.

[1:30:17] But it could be done under that, so let's just cover the bases, protect ourselves and do things the right way.

[1:30:22] Send it to the Council or make us write a code that gives us the ability to make those exceptions.

[1:30:29] I'm fine to do whatever you guys want.

[1:30:32] I do not care about this.

[1:30:35] I'll support part of the. I just want to get rid of the tough.

[1:30:38] So I do not care. So if you want to charge, if we want to charge the herd fascination, let's.

[1:30:43] My proposal would just be let's remove that line from the resolution. Let's accept the resolution that allows us to remove the

[1:30:46] tough.

[1:30:50] With the exception of Section 5.

[1:30:52] Correct.

[1:30:53] And then?

[1:30:54] If we want to write a code.

[1:30:56] That allows us.

[1:30:57] The power to negotiate or reduce those when they come in front of the council, great. I got no problem having 200 people come in

[1:31:03] front of the council and ask for a code to be reduced and I'll tell all of them no.

[1:31:08] But.

[1:31:10] But you want to be able to go home before 8, so you want to remove that to make non substantive administrative adjustments as

[1:31:13] necessary.

[1:31:17] Yeah. Ezra, does that satisfy the concern that you brought up as well?

[1:31:22] Just to remove that, yeah, just get rid of Section 5 entirely.

[1:31:26] Yeah, well, you got to have an administrative implementation in it.

[1:31:32] Yeah, that's where my comment was. Let's just remove the line that says the mayor can make the change.

[1:31:39] Just there's.

[1:31:40] Like between two commas.

[1:31:42] To make nonsense.

[1:31:43] Dance to administrative adjustments as necessary.

[1:31:48] I think the second comment, we're implementing it right now, I'd say the council is.

[1:31:53] Passing this as directing the implementation of it right now.

[1:31:56] So if we could say the.

[1:31:59] Or I just say the Council.

[1:32:02] Is authorized.

[1:32:03] And I got, I got what you're saying here. OK. So yeah, the counselor designee is authorized to.

[1:32:09] Direct and implement the provisions of this resolution.

[1:32:12] Period.

[1:32:13] Period.

[1:32:15] The council is authorized.

[1:32:17] Yeah. That way we're saying that we retain the legislative authority to amend that on a case by case basis.

[1:32:25] But that way it has to come to a public meeting, it has to be heard.

[1:32:29] Yeah, I'm fine with that.

[1:32:32] Be a long night.

[1:32:35] Also, I'd recommend changing the year on the schedule. It's got the.

[1:32:40] 2024 to 2025 fiscal year on the.

[1:32:43] The backup, yeah, Thank you.

[1:32:47] OK. That's a lot. OK.

[1:32:50] Anything else on?

[1:32:51] This Council to deliberate.

[1:32:53] David Pierce, did you? Were you raising your hand?

[1:32:58] I'm sorry.

[1:32:59] I don't know. I was looking down at here. Yeah, Go ahead, David. Here's Cascade I.

[1:33:03] I think Parker.

[1:33:06] Your comments are spot on.

[1:33:08] Because you all meet every week.

[1:33:10] It's not like there's a huge time difference between a request.

[1:33:15] And an action.

[1:33:16] OK. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Sir.

[1:33:19] So OK.

[1:33:21] I mean the City Council.

[1:33:25] Isn't like is is not implementing the provisions?

[1:33:30] Like that's an administrative function.

[1:33:34] Is Jesse still listening?

[1:33:36] Yes.

[1:33:39] Oh, goodness. OK.

[1:33:41] We can.

[1:33:45] Say that the City Council is directing.

[1:33:47] This resolution.

[1:33:50] For the mayor or administrative function of the city.

[1:33:54] To implement the provisions of this resolution.

[1:33:57] Remove the comic to comic non substantiative administrative adjustments as necessary.

[1:34:05] I mean, I don't, I don't see why that's.

[1:34:07] Yeah, not something we can just.

[1:34:10] Say.

[1:34:11] This is making.

[1:34:12] Logical sense to me as I just read.

[1:34:14] Through that.

[1:34:15] So we're authorizing.

[1:34:17] The mayor or his designee?

[1:34:20] To implement the provisions of the resolution.

[1:34:24] And to ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained and made available to the public.

[1:34:31] All we're doing is removing the.

[1:34:34] Non substantiative administrative adjustments.

[1:34:37] That's all I was advocating, OK.

[1:34:39] Yeah, good.

[1:34:42] Yeah, with that then I do have.

[1:34:47] Any thoughts on the actual fees themselves?

[1:34:50] Any final thoughts?

[1:34:55] I've been very involved in.

[1:34:58] Looking at the budgets, going through the audits, those kind of things.

[1:35:03] I recognize.

[1:35:06] Your concern as a legitimate concern when you talk about let's make sure that we have the dollar for dollar to cover that.

[1:35:14] I believe that we are on track.

[1:35:17] To roughly cut 2 for one.

[1:35:20] When it comes to this expense.

[1:35:22] So I feel very comfortable. However, I know Evans not here.

[1:35:26] And.

[1:35:28] You know, we haven't published those specifics yet.

[1:35:30] I am meeting with Evan on Friday morning and some of the department heads to go through their.

[1:35:36] Budgets and requests and try to make sure that we have alignment. We're on track for these things too.

[1:35:41] To my understanding thus far.

[1:35:43] We've cut.

[1:35:45] I don't want to say cuts cuts, but I mean.

[1:35:47] Identified where we have roughly $1,000,000 worth of savings, which is like 8% of our annual budget to begin with, so.

[1:35:55] We're moving into a position where I feel.

[1:35:59] Comfortable doing this and we're empowering some of the.

[1:36:03] Departments, for example Parks and Rec in the library are really good.

[1:36:06] Examples here.

[1:36:07] To fundraise.

[1:36:09] And recover some of their own expenses and operating costs through.

[1:36:14] Cost collection measures right so.

[1:36:16] I think that we're going to be in a position where this is not.

[1:36:22] Concerning, yes, it is going to be tight because the budget overall is tight and the forecast for the next three years is really

[1:36:25] tight.

[1:36:29] So that's not to say that this is.

[1:36:32] To devalue or diminish your position, it's just to say.

[1:36:37] I think that there is a.

[1:36:38] Position we can be in where at least this year.

[1:36:40] We're going to be good.

[1:36:43] And I think in recognizing working with public works, looking at.

[1:36:47] What roads are the highest priority?

[1:36:50] Yeah, we're maybe not.

[1:36:51] Doing the maintenance right at the recommended time, but we're doing it before we have to do the full Rd. replacement type stuff

[1:36:55] too, so it's.

[1:36:59] It's a little bit of a staggered game.

[1:37:01] To my understanding.

[1:37:02] But I have.

[1:37:03] Confidence in where we're kind of positioning ourselves to be able to achieve that.

[1:37:09] So there's also some context. So we explored several options for the Tuffy, and one of the options was to do like.

[1:37:17] If we did an across the board 475 for businesses and homes.

[1:37:22] You know we, we.

[1:37:23] Evan mapped out and he sent an e-mail to council.

[1:37:27] And from January to June, that would amount to 89.

[1:37:30] A little over 80.

[1:37:32] 89 Six.

[1:37:34] So almost $90,000 and if.

[1:37:37] You put it into perspective.

[1:37:41] What the tough fee raised was about.

[1:37:43] Almost $1,000,000.

[1:37:46] And that's still.

[1:37:48] We were still needing to put another million for our general fund.

[1:37:52] And so even if we reduced it.

[1:37:54] The tough fee is so small.

[1:37:57] Like it doesn't make a substantial.

[1:38:00] Impact.

[1:38:01] In terms of like actual I mean.

[1:38:03] It doesn't really. I mean, yes.

[1:38:05] $90,000 is a lot of money.

[1:38:07] But in terms of?

[1:38:09] The $2,000,000 needed for the road.

[1:38:12] The road transportation Fund it's not.

[1:38:16] It's not going to make a meaningful impact.

[1:38:22] Any other questions?

[1:38:23] For a call for a vote.

[1:38:29] Christmas I.

[1:38:30] I will give you a motion.

[1:38:33] Yes, go ahead, David.

[1:38:35] I move that we accept. We adopt resolution 2026.

[1:38:42] Dash 21.

[1:38:44] Consolidated fee schedule.

[1:38:45] To uh.

[1:38:47] Has written with the with the exception of Section 5.

[1:38:51] Will read The City Council directs the mayor or his designee to implement the provisions of this resolution and to ensure.

[1:38:58] To ensure the updates.

[1:39:01] The update should ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained.

[1:39:06] And made available to the public.

[1:39:09] Thank you, do I have a second?

[1:39:11] 2nd.

[1:39:12] All right, we'll do this by roll call.

[1:39:14] Oh sorry, the year 2.

[1:39:17] Just making sure we update the year, the year as well. Did you get the?

[1:39:21] Yeah, OK, I have it down. But Tony.

[1:39:24] That's do you have a damn?

[1:39:26] I have changed the year to 20262026. Tony's like I'll listen to the recording later. OK, let's do this by roll call. Parker. Hi.

[1:39:33] Jacob I.

[1:39:34] Jake, I, David, hi.

[1:39:36] And Ezra?

[1:39:38] Aye, OK.

[1:39:40] Resolution passes.

[1:39:42] Already we're going to talk about 8.2 and 8.4 at the same time, if that's all right, that they're kind of one in the same. So 8.2

[1:39:47] is adopt resolution.

[1:39:51] In support of parking and.

[1:39:53] Enforcement.

[1:39:56] Any discussion on that item? I know that Holden Holden had just a couple of.

[1:40:02] Yeah, let me just.

[1:40:03] And perhaps Parker already the context on that. So this is what we talked about last.

[1:40:10] I worked a lot with Councilman Nair, so I want to say thank you for.

[1:40:14] You know, being willing to take my.

[1:40:16] 20,000 phone calls and text messages over the course of the last week.

[1:40:22] We presented the.

[1:40:24] Concept for this on Thursday.

[1:40:26] To our special session.

[1:40:29] And largely what this is, is recognizing that.

[1:40:35] Bridgeport, Lechemont.

[1:40:38] They have legitimate safety concerns.

[1:40:40] When it comes to.

[1:40:42] The over.

[1:40:43] Crowding on the streets and the vehicles that are parked.

[1:40:46] Right up against stop signs.

[1:40:48] In front of fire hydrants and on red curbs.

[1:40:52] So while there's been a lot of debate and discussion about how to do parking enforcement in those neighborhoods and some of the

[1:40:55] other neighborhoods as well.

[1:41:01] We thought one of the ways that we could immediately alleviate some of their concerns was to.

[1:41:06] Enforced on the low hanging fruit when it came to if you're parts.

[1:41:10] And I, I drove through that neighborhood. I told everybody, I took pictures on my phone and stuff. You're parked.

[1:41:15] Literally front tire on the stop sign line.

[1:41:19] Everyone knows that's illegal.

[1:41:21] Right. And I mean, if you go get a driver's license, you.

[1:41:24] Have to learn, you know, I can't park 30 feet in front of a stop sign and I can't park in front of the fire hydrant. And I

[1:41:27] shouldn't be parking on a red curb.

[1:41:31] So.

[1:41:32] The theory was if we implement.

[1:41:34] This resolution which essentially is directing the.

[1:41:37] Sheriff's Department to just do a safety type patrol through that neighborhood in that area every day.

[1:41:43] They can identify the immediate safety hazards.

[1:41:47] And give them a citation or a tow order immediately.

[1:41:50] To help make those streets a little bit safer.

[1:41:53] Right. Increased visibility when you're turning into a neighborhood or onto the road and your kids aren't going to get ran over

[1:41:58] when they're trying to cross the street because no one can see them between the cars.

[1:42:02] So.

[1:42:03] The theory behind this is.

[1:42:05] Let's enforce on the low hanging fruit.

[1:42:08] And let's.

[1:42:09] By the neighborhood's time to build consensus and develop actual.

[1:42:14] Policy or procedure that's going to represent the community at large.

[1:42:19] Thank you.

[1:42:21] Holden, do you want to jump in?

[1:42:22] I sure. Yep.

[1:42:24] I have a question and.

[1:42:25] Do we need to do a resolution to?

[1:42:27] For this, this is an administrative thing. We already the chief, he already has authority to do all of this. Yes, it could be an

[1:42:31] administrative thing, however.

[1:42:35] I've drafted a resolution and it's here before that we want so we can make our vote. We're going to vote. That's the beauty of it.

[1:42:41] Right now we have two different, you know, avenues of government. We have the mayor and the administrative and we have the

[1:42:47] legislative and either one can initiate things like this. To be honest with you, I think it's important that we tie Holdens hand

[1:42:53] of like we're speaking as a unit, which is why I made adjustments of like, hey, you didn't know, hold it.

[1:43:00] And we'll, we'll go over the adjustments.

[1:43:03] Chief Deputy Holden shared those with me.

[1:43:05] Earlier.

[1:43:06] And I know he had shared them with some of you guys.

[1:43:08] Essentially the adjustments to the resolution.

[1:43:11] That I had.

[1:43:12] Drafted and you know.

[1:43:13] Ezra was Co sponsoring is essentially acknowledging that there are.

[1:43:18] Operational realities with what?

[1:43:20] The sheriff can and can't do and if they get like a domestic violence call while they're out there.

[1:43:26] Giving a tow order, they're going to abandon the tow order and go respond to the domestic violence call. So it's acknowledging

[1:43:29] those realities.

[1:43:33] That I think he's going to present on right now, yeah.

[1:43:36] What I wanted to do is obviously we are committed to.

[1:43:39] Whatever the council would like us to do within within our legal bounds, right? And I've been part of parking discussions for.

[1:43:46] Nine years.

[1:43:48] And and very empathetic to the neighborhoods and the parking problems and especially these neighborhoods. We definitely recognize

[1:43:52] the need.

[1:43:56] For some, some change in these neighborhoods. So I did want to just take just one second to talk about some of the stuff we've

[1:44:00] taken this. These are just this month, just since the beginning of March.

[1:44:06] This is a map of our city. Obviously, these dots represent citations for parking violations that we've issued just this month.

[1:44:14] Now, some of those may be warnings, but they're written.

[1:44:16] Warnings or citations left on a vehicle people are aware that they have been parking in illegally.

[1:44:22] This is a comparison to.

[1:44:24] Every other type of citation we've written for the month.

[1:44:28] And then this dot is all of the calls we've had to or all of the case numbers, not calls. Calls will be way more than this. These

[1:44:32] are case numbers.

[1:44:36] That we've taken just this month within the city, there's the yellow dots. So purple is parking citations, green is every other

[1:44:40] type of citation.

[1:44:44] And then our yellow is our case numbers.

[1:44:46] So obviously we have a balance that we have to take between when we're talking about parking enforcement and the time we spend

[1:44:50] with that and then responding to other.

[1:44:53] Other things like speeding.

[1:44:56] Case numbers, domestic violence, all those types of calls, so.

[1:45:00] You'll forgive me.

[1:45:01] Help me to understand the case number, What the difference is between that and a call for service? It's a call for service so

[1:45:03] these no.

[1:45:06] A case number is we. Let's say I get a call for service. Somebody calls in that just has basic questions that does not generate a

[1:45:10] case number.

[1:45:14] Case numbers are generally something more serious that requires the deputy to write a report.

[1:45:19] So.

[1:45:21] Generally speaking.

[1:45:23] Case numbers.

[1:45:24] Call numbers are going to be way higher than what our case numbers are.

[1:45:27] Because we get a lot of calls of just.

[1:45:29] Civil problems. Things that don't require a case number.

[1:45:32] Or don't require a report.

[1:45:33] So some of the parks in front of someone's driveway and they can't get out, That's a.

[1:45:37] That's got the case number and.

[1:45:39] You out and do something.

[1:45:40] Yes, yes. Thank you.

[1:45:42] OK, all right, with that being said, let's look at.

[1:45:46] The resolution real quick.

[1:45:49] That's the one I had pulled up.

[1:45:51] So I just had a couple of small edits because of the towing company recently.

[1:45:56] Resigning or withdrawing themselves from from contracting with the city.

[1:46:01] I recommend we change this to authorized towing services so that whoever we hire or when I call for a tow.

[1:46:07] The next rotation toe, this covers us there. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify so everybody understands the Sheriff's Department when

[1:46:11] they call for a tow, it goes to essentially the.

[1:46:15] Collection of tow companies that are working through their dispatch and so it's just the next one in rotation so there's no.

[1:46:21] Like monopoly on tow through the sheriff's.

[1:46:24] Yeah.

[1:46:26] Just add this little section here and.

[1:46:28] To prioritize enforcement and proactive patrol efforts.

[1:46:33] And then in this one, we'll redline the discretion and put in in accordance with existing law and established enforcement

[1:46:36] procedures.

[1:46:40] Again the.

[1:46:41] Contractor told to change that to authorized towing provider.

[1:46:44] And then this is the one that Councilmember Mccumber was talking about.

[1:46:48] Shall be towed so that the desire from the Council is for us to tow on these.

[1:46:53] Violations here.

[1:46:55] We just put that caveat in there unless there's mitigating circumstances, reasonably warned, and alternative enforcement action.

[1:47:00] So if we got a call to something more serious, we could hurry and leave a sticker or a citation and get on our way to.

[1:47:06] To something that's higher priority for the audience. If you're having a hard time reading the screen, what those were was.

[1:47:11] Blocking fire hydrants parked on red curbs, parked in front of stop signs, blocking intersections, or otherwise creating an

[1:47:15] imminent safety hazard.

[1:47:19] And then the last one is just another.

[1:47:21] Take out the contract of towing and put in authorized towing.

[1:47:24] As needed So.

[1:47:26] Great.

[1:47:27] I think those shakers are.

[1:47:29] Common sense. So I.

[1:47:32] Holden, thank you.

[1:47:33] For that, any questions for holding on?

[1:47:35] Regarding this.

[1:47:37] Do you guys track?

[1:47:38] Like when you.

[1:47:39] Either toe or leave a citation for a vehicle. Is that in your system? So if you like.

[1:47:44] Say I'm writing another citation. Does it automatically say?

[1:47:47] This had.

[1:47:49] X number of citations in the past week or so. Anytime one of our deputies runs a plate number, it'll come back with.

[1:47:55] Any involvement that we've had with that plate in the past.

[1:47:57] OK, very cool.

[1:47:59] Thank you. Any other questions for Holden?

[1:48:04] Not for Holden, I guess, or discussion.

[1:48:06] Go redhead.

[1:48:08] Could we, since it's easy to see when?

[1:48:11] People are doing multiple violations. Could we add that?

[1:48:13] The first offense is a.

[1:48:15] Citation and then.

[1:48:17] Anytime after that, it's a.

[1:48:20] Do we want to allow for a warning?

[1:48:23] Basically someone there. So we went. We say the first.

[1:48:26] Versus a.

[1:48:27] Citation.

[1:48:28] Takes away the chance to the warning the first time.

[1:48:30] If you, if I can just say.

[1:48:33] Established enforcement procedures. That's basically already there.

[1:48:36] That's what we've been doing as our established procedures is.

[1:48:39] Typically will go out.

[1:48:40] And for example, I went out last night to drive it and see it, and here was a car right in front of a fire hydrant, red curb and a

[1:48:45] foot and a half off the curb. I was like, Oh my heck. So I ran the plate number and knocked on doors. Finally got ahold of

[1:48:50] somebody and said move your car.

[1:48:55] So that was and we do that typically that's our typical enforcement procedures or a warning.

[1:49:01] You know, we'll try and not, I knocked on.

[1:49:04] Doors for three different cars.

[1:49:06] Good talk to people and said hey.

[1:49:08] Starting Tuesday, it's going to get a little bit tougher around here so so please start moving your cars so.

[1:49:14] Anyway, well, and I'm.

[1:49:16] I think it's just to share where where I'm at here.

[1:49:20] You know we've.

[1:49:21] Discussed.

[1:49:23] Ticketing.

[1:49:23] And ramping enforcement.

[1:49:27] I understand all of us are having different conversations with different people. I felt like I got shouted down every time I

[1:49:31] brought that up for the last three meetings.

[1:49:35] And I my perception was that people wanted more immediate enforcement and I don't feel like we're trying to.

[1:49:42] Go and create, you know, a hostile situation for anybody, if we were to say.

[1:49:48] I think that these.

[1:49:49] And I'm not not mad about the you, not if you're willing to go and knock the doors. I mean, at the end of the day, that car is

[1:49:52] moving.

[1:49:56] That's the result that we want, and so I'm perfectly content with that.

[1:50:00] It's just like.

[1:50:02] Immediate.

[1:50:02] Safety violations, I think, should be enforced the process.

[1:50:06] Say again, you made less of an enemy in the process. Agreed.

[1:50:09] Agreed.

[1:50:10] So I mean I guess my.

[1:50:12] Concern, and I would love to get the public feedback if the mayor's willing to let the public come up and comment too, is.

[1:50:19] Look if somebody's parked right in front of the stop sign.

[1:50:22] Or right in front of the fire hydrant.

[1:50:25] And we can't knock on the door and get them to move.

[1:50:27] Is it better that we just move them?

[1:50:30] For the public safety.

[1:50:31] Yeah. Yeah, it is so.

[1:50:34] I have a unique perspective on this because I so.

[1:50:36] In high density, if you were to park on a red curb in front of stop sign, you're towed instantly. So I absolutely believe that

[1:50:40] should apply to public growth as well. I mean.

[1:50:45] It's creating a safety violation. It's breaking the law.

[1:50:48] So I think.

[1:50:49] Towing.

[1:50:51] Doing that first.

[1:50:52] I have no problem with that.

[1:50:54] Yeah, anyway we can allow.

[1:50:57] The chief deputy to have a policy have a policy that.

[1:51:01] Handles it the way they think best. I mean if they can get.

[1:51:04] Car to move right now.

[1:51:05] Great. If they can't then call it in it.

[1:51:07] Yeah. And I'm like I said, I agree with that. I'm totally happy to to.

[1:51:12] Facilitate that we can amend the resolution for something like that.

[1:51:15] I am of the.

[1:51:19] Perception, uh.

[1:51:20] That.

[1:51:21] These neighborhoods want safer streets immediately, so if that can't be achieved.

[1:51:27] Does ticketing actually resolve their concern?

[1:51:30] I can tell you.

[1:51:32] Like the reason I brought up the dots on the map is because we have been issuing tickets and if you've drive in from.

[1:51:39] Everything the deputies are telling me at night that parking is getting better. We're making a difference in those neighborhoods.

[1:51:43] So we're getting some, we're getting some movement in the direction that the neighborhood tickets. By chance, do you track that?

[1:51:47] Do you know the people are paying for the tickets by chance?

[1:51:53] If you have that, I don't have those numbers on these, they go to the justice. The county justice court goes that way. Most people

[1:51:56] pay the tickets we give them.

[1:51:59] Yeah, easy park. I don't know. I would, yes. It's better than 30% also anyway.

[1:52:09] I.

[1:52:11] Change this so we would have some leeway.

[1:52:14] In in those circumstances, So I'm comfortable with unless mitigating circumstances, mitigating circumstances could be we knocked

[1:52:17] on the door that came out and moved their car.

[1:52:21] Yeah, yeah, sure. I like that. You know, I think that's that's reasonable if you want to.

[1:52:25] To bolster it even further to officer discretion, we could put, you know.

[1:52:30] Within officer discretion, I never like to take discretion away from my guys and then I don't feel like this is taking that away.

[1:52:38] There's, I think there's very few laws on the books. There's very few laws on the books that tell us we shall do something. We

[1:52:44] absolutely have to do it. Most of that, mostly it's domestic violence calls, which is obviously we all want that.

[1:52:51] Other than that.

[1:52:52] Our deputies and officers have discretion.

[1:52:55] Because circumstances are different for everything we come across. Sure.

[1:53:00] Any other comments, counsel? Parker asked.

[1:53:02] Is there anyone in the audience?

[1:53:04] Like to speak to this.

[1:53:06] Give us guidance in your all knowing wisdom, David.

[1:53:10] Daria. Come on. Well, Darius.

[1:53:13] Some speak for all the residents of Vineyard.

[1:53:17] I just have a couple little things, Daria Evans, Villas resident.

[1:53:23] It's just spelling.

[1:53:28] The first paragraph.

[1:53:30] It says gardens it should read.

[1:53:32] Garden Thank you Diane. Would appreciate also section also Section 1 it.

[1:53:38] It says gardens it should read the garden.

[1:53:42] And in operation Neighborhood Shield.

[1:53:45] The paragraph beginning.

[1:53:47] With staff.

[1:53:48] Will review Vineyard City code with the City attorney and Chief Deputy Rockwell.

[1:53:53] Your last name is Rockwell.

[1:53:55] It should not be.

[1:53:57] Chief Deputy Holden.

[1:53:59] To give him the property, to say his chief deputy, so whoever.

[1:54:02] Replaces it later on, but at this moment it's.

[1:54:05] It's Chief Deputy Rockwell. You can't leave Holden now. Yeah, well, and then.

[1:54:12] Phase Three.

[1:54:13] The last sentence.

[1:54:14] This phase allows for property owners an opportunity to correct violations voluntarily and for assess students.

[1:54:22] But I think we should change it to occupants, because we might not.

[1:54:26] Be students and that would limit.

[1:54:28] The scope if you just said students.

[1:54:31] So those are my suggestions.

[1:54:33] And also I like the idea of a full time.

[1:54:36] Code enforcement and then adding part-time enforcement as the city grows. Thank you very much.

[1:54:41] Can we accept those changes? Yeah, I think those are points well taken.

[1:54:45] Robbie grabbed those.

[1:54:47] If we did, OK, we don't have to word that out.

[1:54:52] OK, sounds good. And then let me ask just Ezra real quick.

[1:54:56] With.

[1:54:57] Chief Deputy Rockwells.

[1:54:59] Amendments.

[1:55:01] Does that alleviate your concern? OK.

[1:55:04] OK, my.

[1:55:06] My only comment is.

[1:55:08] I know we're ramping up from nothing.

[1:55:10] And I know that you don't want to go.

[1:55:11] Bam, like just shock everyone in tow.

[1:55:14] But I will say like.

[1:55:17] Get there within the next couple weeks of like I think it needs to be come a standard of towing.

[1:55:22] Like an expectation of like, hey, we've.

[1:55:26] We've given tickets we've.

[1:55:28] You know, given warnings like this is going to be a standard moving forward of.

[1:55:33] You know, stop signs and everything.

[1:55:35] It it it just should be known because we had hundreds of people that were here and when he.

[1:55:40] Suggested it they were. They're now expecting it because they are so excited.

[1:55:46] In fact, that in my all of my engagements, they're like.

[1:55:48] Towing is coming and and so let's give it to him.

[1:55:52] Yeah. Thank you.

[1:55:54] OK, I'm gonna call from.

[1:55:56] You're we only gonna vote on 8.2 and not 8.5 because I had some comments 8.2 just we're gonna put 8.2 Okay yeah 8.2 so I'm gonna

[1:56:02] call for vote on 8.2. Do I have a motion?

[1:56:09] I motion to accept.

[1:56:12] Resolution 2026-19 in support of parking enforcement.

[1:56:16] As.

[1:56:17] Amended.

[1:56:18] Thank you. Awesome.

[1:56:20] We will do this by roll call.

[1:56:23] Hi, David Luray.

[1:56:25] Hi, Jacob Wood, I'm Jake.

[1:56:28] Aye, Parker, aye.

[1:56:30] Awesome. Resolution passes. That's Councilman Mccumber. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever.

[1:56:35] We keep it informal around here.

[1:56:38] Not Parker until. Can I start with the neighborhood Commission? 10 more minutes. Yeah, let's do this. I need to. We are needing

[1:56:42] to.

[1:56:46] OK, let's do 8.3 real quick because this.

[1:56:50] Have a little bit of.

[1:56:52] DK will use.

[1:56:54] David, we.

[1:56:55] Kyle, would you explain 8.3?

[1:56:57] To the Council.

[1:57:00] And to the public real quick, where what the intent is here?

[1:57:02] So this is the intent is to encourage volunteerism throughout the city.

[1:57:07] And to make.

[1:57:09] Or to help.

[1:57:11] Vineyard events be more community driven.

[1:57:14] Versus city driven?

[1:57:16] This creates a.

[1:57:18] A Commission that will oversee and and base and base.

[1:57:24] Recruit other volunteers and oversee other volunteers to be able to.

[1:57:29] Work on Vineyard days.

[1:57:31] The tree lighting Christmas.

[1:57:33] All, all of the fun events and activities that we do throughout the city.

[1:57:38] Walk us through.

[1:57:40] We feel a nonprofit is.

[1:57:42] Needed here for.

[1:57:43] Tax purposes for the cell, donations and so forth, so.

[1:57:47] This is as.

[1:57:49] I've worked with other cities.

[1:57:51] Who have?

[1:57:53] Who have similar structures?

[1:57:56] Provo has an event nonprofit. They actually branched off from the city and and that's the Freedom Festival. They're now completely

[1:58:00] independent.

[1:58:04] Orem has.

[1:58:06] And the Orem Community Foundation, and not only does that Community Foundation help with.

[1:58:14] Their Orem fest, but it also.

[1:58:17] Is currently raising money for their.

[1:58:20] Monument to.

[1:58:23] The fallen soldiers.

[1:58:24] So Gold Star.

[1:58:26] Yeah, yeah, the Gold Star Memorial. And so this the the nonprofit.

[1:58:32] This mission will be to support financially raise money for city events.

[1:58:38] And city initiatives and what's great about it is that.

[1:58:42] Donors can receive certificate for write off.

[1:58:48] On their taxes.

[1:58:49] OK, would the intent be?

[1:58:51] Sorry, no, go ahead please. Would the intent be that?

[1:58:53] One day, the mayor wouldn't chair it, but it would.

[1:58:55] It would separate off.

[1:58:57] Is this? I don't think that's the ultimate intent. Some.

[1:59:01] Do some don't or has never?

[1:59:04] But this doesn't spell out. Provo did just because.

[1:59:07] The Freedom Festival had be.

[1:59:09] Kind of came of a life of its own right, and so they just split away.

[1:59:13] Yeah, OK.

[1:59:15] Great.

[1:59:16] Any questions on 8.3?

[1:59:19] Well, is there any conflict with?

[1:59:21] A city sponsored.

[1:59:24] Commission.

[1:59:25] Also.

[1:59:27] Running.

[1:59:27] A non profit.

[1:59:29] No cities run non pro profits.

[1:59:32] Quite often.

[1:59:33] To help.

[1:59:34] With the tax status.

[1:59:36] The city itself is a nonprofit, right? So they don't. No, it's a government entity, so there's no.

[1:59:41] Paying your taxes or paying money to a city is different for tax purposes, so cities do set up nonprofits quite often.

[1:59:47] Just a separate bank account of like who you're giving the money to.

[1:59:50] And it has a different organizational correct, it is similar.

[1:59:54] To that and there are tax benefits to it.

[1:59:56] Correct.

[1:59:58] Yeah. Any other questions?

[2:00:00] Ezra, you had a question last.

[2:00:03] Tuesday.

[2:00:04] It was the reason we continued it to this week instead of voting on it last week. I can't remember what it is and I'm trying to

[2:00:07] dig through my notes but.

[2:00:12] Yes, so the the nonprofit versus the Commission, so we're.

[2:00:19] There's two different.

[2:00:20] Parts of this resolution 1 is.

[2:00:23] Kind of a.

[2:00:24] Commission similar to our arch Commission or our.

[2:00:30] What other commissions do we have? We've got Bissell Advisory Commission.

[2:00:33] Some of those other commissions that.

[2:00:35] Run by the city. Operated by the city.

[2:00:38] Then you have.

[2:00:40] This direction to create a nonprofit.

[2:00:43] That's going to be a separate entity from the city.

[2:00:46] That.

[2:00:48] Is run.

[2:00:50] By whom?

[2:00:52] So the Commission will actually oversee the running of the nonprofit.

[2:00:58] The actual.

[2:00:59] Legal, uh.

[2:01:01] And how it works legally, that's a.

[2:01:03] That's a really a Jesse question I ran.

[2:01:05] I ran it past.

[2:01:07] The resolution passed Jesse and and and asked to.

[2:01:11] A few questions related.

[2:01:13] But really, it's to basically keep the nonprofit attached to the city and keep some oversight.

[2:01:18] Because it is the official nonprofit of the city.

[2:01:21] But also.

[2:01:25] This model is basically I.

[2:01:28] Modeled it after what Orem is already doing.

[2:01:31] So it.

[2:01:32] I felt pretty safe.

[2:01:34] In the direction we were going.

[2:01:36] So.

[2:01:37] The So the mayor would still be the.

[2:01:40] Head of the entity for now.

[2:01:42] For now, yeah, I mean that.

[2:01:44] Was the idea.

[2:01:45] OK, so.

[2:01:47] So the mayor is the head.

[2:01:49] The Commission is the.

[2:01:52] Board. The seven member commissions. The Board.

[2:01:56] And the council? The mayor?

[2:01:59] The mayor appoints a chair. So from, well, the resolution, as it read last week, was that the mayor.

[2:02:04] Brings recommendations and they're appointed by the council.

[2:02:07] So we would vote on all of the appointees to be on the Advisory Board.

[2:02:11] Yeah, here it says. The mayor's gonna.

[2:02:13] Designated Chair of the Commission.

[2:02:15] So the mayor is not.

[2:02:17] On the.

[2:02:19] Foundation.

[2:02:20] As a we would not be able to, yeah, correct the mayor.

[2:02:23] The Commission points the Commission, and that Commission is the Board of the Foundation because.

[2:02:29] Comprises the the board of the Foundation.

[2:02:31] OK. Do we have a charter for the foundation already?

[2:02:36] No, that's to be drawn up.

[2:02:38] And it'll have to be submitted to the IRS for approval.

[2:02:41] Yeah.

[2:02:43] So what is this action?

[2:02:45] Here doing right now, is it basically saying go ahead and explore this idea?

[2:02:49] And then you'll bring us a charter. Who? The president? The treasurer?

[2:02:53] All those things in and then we as a council can officially take action to create this nonprofit. My understanding it's

[2:02:59] authorizing the creation, which would necessitate that they write the charter, they submit it to the IRS, but then.

[2:03:05] All of the appointees would come to us for vote.

[2:03:09] Who is they writing the charter? If the that would be our committee.

[2:03:14] Your internal team.

[2:03:15] He said that the attorney.

[2:03:17] The attorney OK.

[2:03:19] Jesse, do you feel good with this?

[2:03:21] This is to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit. It's like to start to begin the Commission. Yes, what I would.

[2:03:26] You know his model after ASD or Orem City or?

[2:03:30] Provo or other entities so.

[2:03:32] Some of your.

[2:03:33] Questions are quite technical.

[2:03:36] Nonprofits can be set up in a.

[2:03:40] And loosely the way that you would want them to set up, but I would give you examples of how others were.

[2:03:44] Would be set up, but I'm comfortable.

[2:03:46] Going forward with the creation.

[2:03:48] And then as we move forward, we can do other resolutions as to how.

[2:03:52] Is going to be.

[2:03:53] LED what the leadership looks like.

[2:03:56] And how people are appointed.

[2:03:58] So this is just a started.

[2:04:02] Yeah, I'm great with the framework. I would just love to know.

[2:04:06] To kind of firm up.

[2:04:08] Making sure we have kind of all the documents in place of.

[2:04:11] What exactly the mission is? What can they collect money for? What can't they collect money for? Just have that all outlined

[2:04:14] before.

[2:04:18] Giving just like carte blanche.

[2:04:20] Go create a nonprofit for.

[2:04:22] Israel, if you heard the end of what Jesse was saying, because you started talking while he was still talking.

[2:04:28] But what he said was this essentially gives you.

[2:04:30] The permission to get started and then we would create.

[2:04:33] Codes or additional resolutions to.

[2:04:35] Address all of those things.

[2:04:37] It doesn't say it creates us to facilitate the creation of, so it's a place to start. It's just the start.

[2:04:42] Yeah, and that is what I understood, Mr. Riddle to just clarify.

[2:04:48] We just need to.

[2:04:50] Davis, Jesse was talking about.

[2:04:53] David Pierce.

[2:04:56] Mr. Mayor, kind of have to agree with Ezra on.

[2:05:00] On the issue of definitions, because the definitions.

[2:05:08] Affect the Commission itself.

[2:05:11] Not the nonprofit.

[2:05:12] Profit The nonprofit should have the definitions of what it supports and what it.

[2:05:17] What it doesn't support?

[2:05:20] But I think in Section 2.

[2:05:22] The purpose?

[2:05:24] More sharply defined instead of just giving a couple.

[2:05:27] Of examples for instance.

[2:05:30] As a community event is a discrete event.

[2:05:34] What time restrictions from here to here it's.

[2:05:38] No longer.

[2:05:39] Then you know, then a week or.

[2:05:43] Or whatever.

[2:05:45] The condition set, but that I think that should be more closely defined.

[2:05:52] Maybe if I could offer a suggestion so in Section 5.

[2:05:55] Rather than saying the Commission is hereby authorized with oversight from the Marin City Council.

[2:06:00] To facilitate the creation.

[2:06:02] That.

[2:06:05] We change that so that the City Council and the mayor are.

[2:06:10] Facility facilitating the creation or creating it with the support of the Commission or something like that.

[2:06:16] I actually like.

[2:06:19] I actually like that it's a Commission of people because it creates.

[2:06:25] That's a lot of just where I'm going to sit down and think about how to create a nonprofit. I think you can get.

[2:06:31] David Pearce and.

[2:06:32] Just I would just recommend to the mayor, just get a wide swath of people that just say.

[2:06:38] Who want to be involved in this, but that we come back and approve.

[2:06:41] Like we're the approving entity before anything happens, if that makes sense.

[2:06:45] Just Jesse had a comment. I'm gonna turn the mic over to Jesse. Go ahead, Mr. Riddle.

[2:06:50] Again, I think.

[2:06:52] We're at the inception of a process.

[2:06:55] And the way I would.

[2:06:57] Start the process is go and review.

[2:06:59] What other entities have done I would talk to.

[2:07:03] For example, Orem city attorney and.

[2:07:05] Maybe ASD's attorney. I know of both and.

[2:07:08] Ask them how they run it, how they operate it, who's on their board.

[2:07:12] And things of that.

[2:07:14] I haven't paid much.

[2:07:15] Attention to the Commission part of this.

[2:07:17] I've just been.

[2:07:18] Mostly focusing on the nonprofit. I hope that's helpful.

[2:07:22] That's super helpful. I I would.

[2:07:24] Support uh.

[2:07:25] Kind of doing a little bit more research on that.

[2:07:28] And trying to gather some of those structures. I just want to make sure.

[2:07:31] Like this is going to be something that.

[2:07:34] Outlast all of us here.

[2:07:37] If done properly and so I just want to make sure we're.

[2:07:41] Being deliberate about what we're doing here.

[2:07:43] And I'd like to also adjust the wording of Section 5 to say, you know.

[2:07:46] The mayor and the City Council directs.

[2:07:49] The Commission.

[2:07:51] To facilitate creation and so forth. So we retain.

[2:07:54] You know the control in the Council.

[2:07:57] He said so the council directs.

[2:08:00] The Commission to.

[2:08:02] As opposed to.

[2:08:03] We were authorizing to go off and do it. So it becomes they become authorized. We don't limit the authorization.

[2:08:08] Well, it does specify with oversight from the mayor and council. It does say oversight. Yes, it says.

[2:08:13] The Commission is hereby authorized, with oversight from the mayor and council, to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit

[2:08:16] organization.

[2:08:20] To be known as the Vineyard Community Foundation, is that the same thing as directing them?

[2:08:24] And then retain that.

[2:08:25] Authority as a question for Mr. Riddle.

[2:08:32] Authorizing direct director.

[2:08:34] A little bit different.

[2:08:36] When you give me the authority, the other one, you tell me exactly what to do.

[2:08:41] And maybe where to go?

[2:08:43] I guess my question on it then is we're authorizing a Commission.

[2:08:47] To create a nonprofit, but we don't have a Commission.

[2:08:51] But we're creating the Commission with this, right?

[2:08:55] Yeah, yeah, yeah. More or less. I mean, it's why don't you change it?

[2:08:59] To authorize the mayor to do it.

[2:09:01] Because I.

[2:09:02] Report to the mayor.

[2:09:04] So just authorize the mayor to create a nonprofit.

[2:09:08] And then he can authorize me to.

[2:09:11] Do that task.

[2:09:13] So we'd be just separating out the creation of the nonprofit from the Commission.

[2:09:18] Correct.

[2:09:19] I would.

[2:09:21] Yes, yeah.

[2:09:22] I'd be good with that.

[2:09:23] OK. Yeah, me too. Yeah.

[2:09:25] Awesome.

[2:09:27] I can support that.

[2:09:28] OK. We're transferring alignment.

[2:09:32] One of my comment.

[2:09:34] I do have.

[2:09:37] Just a question.

[2:09:42] You're going to appoint.

[2:09:43] The mayor is going to appoint.

[2:09:46] The Chairman of the Commission.

[2:09:49] I don't have.

[2:09:50] Myself personally a problem with that.

[2:09:55] City code tends to have.

[2:09:57] Commission's councils and boards select their own leadership Chairman, Vice Chair.

[2:10:03] Secretary.

[2:10:05] Just curious stuff.

[2:10:08] Why that is?

[2:10:10] Selecting the chair and again why the mail have any issue with that?

[2:10:15] Why? It's in the past of the mayor selects the chair.

[2:10:19] Yeah.

[2:10:20] I might remember it was really controversial.

[2:10:22] Five or six years ago, I.

[2:10:25] Yeah, the mayor retained that power.

[2:10:27] I I see wisdom and.

[2:10:30] But that's how it's been.

[2:10:33] I don't think that's his.

[2:10:35] How it was always been and it's probably could be looked into.

[2:10:38] Yeah, but.

[2:10:39] I think something's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean it's too much change.

[2:10:44] What you're saying is your post Commission. Post commissions, they choose their own chairs.

[2:10:48] Of this yeah code.

[2:10:51] Yeah, and again, I.

[2:10:53] Personally I don't have an issue with that, but.

[2:10:56] And I, I like this the norm. So I'm just curious because you already have that the Commission's going to consist of the seven

[2:11:00] members. They're going to be.

[2:11:05] Appointed by the mayor with the advice and consent of the City Council, which means all of those people come to the council for a

[2:11:08] vote.

[2:11:12] Let those people.

[2:11:13] Will elect their own leadership. That's fine with me. If you guys are good with that, I like that.

[2:11:17] Sorry. It's a point well taken. I think, David, appreciate it. So it makes it improves it though? Yeah, it does, yeah.

[2:11:23] Give them ownership and.

[2:11:24] And maybe.

[2:11:25] To help solve some of the leadership issues.

[2:11:28] Have a member of the City Council.

[2:11:31] As one of the but.

[2:11:32] Members.

[2:11:34] Of the Commission, something like that, Yeah, there's kind of.

[2:11:37] Yeah, make sure it's moving along and so forth.

[2:11:41] OK, OK.

[2:11:42] Are we in the point where I can call? I can support it, yeah.

[2:11:46] Real quick.

[2:11:46] So as part of starting the the nonprofit piece.

[2:11:50] As you, the mayor.

[2:11:52] Taking charge of creating it.

[2:11:54] Will you bring that charter back to the City Council for a vote, or will the Commission adopt the charter?

[2:12:00] What it what?

[2:12:01] That's council want me to do. I would love to have the council adopt the charter just so we can make sure.

[2:12:06] We're not opening a can of worms and having to spin off into spring it into who knows what, some Frankenstein who knows what.

[2:12:13] 20 years down the road.

[2:12:15] Yep, I can. I can support that.

[2:12:17] OK, happy to do that.

[2:12:20] OK, this is going to be a Franken resolution, and you know it's coming all right.

[2:12:25] All right, so we're going to How about this?

[2:12:27] Who? Who feels comfortable making a motion?

[2:12:36] I move to adopt resolution.

[2:12:38] 2026-20 to form a community events nonprofit.

[2:12:43] With the amendments.

[2:12:46] That the mayor.

[2:12:48] Will direct the creation of a nonprofit.

[2:12:50] The Commission.

[2:12:52] Will come back to the City Council for a vote.

[2:12:56] The members appointed by the mayor.

[2:12:59] Will serve under the advice and consent of the City Council with a vote.

[2:13:05] And an amendment that.

[2:13:08] The Commission will elect its own chairperson.

[2:13:12] And Vice Chair.

[2:13:13] And Vice Chair.

[2:13:15] Awesome, do I have a second?

[2:13:17] Second, all right, let's do roll call.

[2:13:20] Parker.

[2:13:20] Hi, Jake, Jacob, I.

[2:13:23] David, hi.

[2:13:25] And Ezra?

[2:13:26] Aye, OK.

[2:13:27] Resolution passes.

[2:13:29] As amended.

[2:13:31] OK, jumping down to 8.5.

[2:13:36] It is 805. We can go ahead and skip that. That's not it.

[2:13:40] Put on the agenda, but it's not a resolution.

[2:13:42] OK, so so.

[2:13:44] Perhaps what we should do is.

[2:13:45] Turn this into a work session. Should we do that? Turn this into work session item.

[2:13:51] Do you want to continue it? We need to vote on 8.4 though, right?

[2:13:54] 5 minutes past 88.4 is nothing to vote on.

[2:13:59] 8.5.

[2:14:01] 8.4.

[2:14:03] Sorry, it's not a resolution.

[2:14:05] It's just we're not going to vote on it.

[2:14:07] Do it. It's not it's it's I'm sorry.

[2:14:10] It was a work session document. Yeah, OK.

[2:14:13] So we don't need to talk about.

[2:14:15] OK. And we're done.

[2:14:18] 8.5.

[2:14:20] 8.4 is being moved to the work.

[2:14:23] No 8.4.

[2:14:25] Was accidentally left on here is what correct. Yes, that's it was that's something that we discussed at both of the previous two

[2:14:28] council meetings.

[2:14:32] Really. Three Do we need Thursday? Specialty voted on it.

[2:14:35] No, no, it's administrative action. Oh, I see.

[2:14:38] Because it was not a resolution item.

[2:14:41] 2 Mr. Pierce has a.

[2:14:43] Question or comment, Mayor David, please.

[2:14:47] Come on up, Sir.

[2:14:56] Excuse me?

[2:14:57] I lost my page here.

[2:15:04] You mentioned the name of an employee.

[2:15:06] On the code enforcement staffing.

[2:15:09] And I'm not sure.

[2:15:11] That's germane.

[2:15:14] To the.

[2:15:16] To the subject of.

[2:15:18] The document.

[2:15:19] And I'm.

[2:15:20] Personally not sure that's appropriate.

[2:15:23] To mention the name.

[2:15:24] Of a specific employee.

[2:15:28] Especially.

[2:15:29] From.

[2:15:30] The point of view.

[2:15:32] That it almost seems like it's.

[2:15:34] This employee's fault.

[2:15:37] That there is an issue.

[2:15:40] Well, I I would ask that.

[2:15:43] Do we know what page that paragraph one?

[2:15:45] Would be stricken.

[2:15:48] And the word.

[2:15:50] Her departure create.

[2:15:53] OK. Thank you. Good catch. That was not the intent, but thank you for catching that, bringing that to our attention. It's on page

[2:15:57] 46 in the packet.

[2:16:01] OK. Thank you, David.

[2:16:04] Be done. I have one comment.

[2:16:06] Yeah, let's do one comment.

[2:16:07] Here.

[2:16:08] I think we need.

[2:16:09] Before.

[2:16:10] Well, let's do What are we going to do with 8.5?

[2:16:13] So 8.4 was whatever, 8.5 what would you?

[2:16:17] What would you like to do? Is that ready 8.5?

[2:16:21] I have some issues with 8.5. My sense with 8.5 is it would be best to.

[2:16:26] Move that to work session.

[2:16:28] I know, right?

[2:16:29] But you guys decide my my comment on it is.

[2:16:33] What a wonderful thing that happened last week where neighborhoods got together. I don't know about your work group.

[2:16:39] But our neighborhood.

[2:16:41] You know.

[2:16:43] Office smelling like pot.

[2:16:46] They all came together.

[2:16:48] And we said, who should be your leader and who can unite and find consensus?

[2:16:54] And bring two parties together to find a resolution. And I think in our meeting the the conversation changed. It wasn't.

[2:17:03] I'm petitioning to get what I want.

[2:17:05] Fighting someone else that they want.

[2:17:07] And so I think on creating a neighborhood Commission.

[2:17:11] I think the wording could.

[2:17:12] Be improved and we could do a work session on it.

[2:17:15] Helping them solve their own problems, helping find unity. And I think we've gotten so much respect and that's probably why they

[2:17:21] slowed down and took so much time to find consensus. I don't know how you can word that, but like, I don't like the idea of coming

[2:17:26] in.

[2:17:31] Having like a political appointee from like either us or the mayor of like picking someone because it's so.

[2:17:37] Beautiful of what we saw where?

[2:17:41] Straight to jail.

[2:17:43] You know, who do you want? You know?

[2:17:44] So I think that's.

[2:17:46] I don't know how you put that into a document. I I think I.

[2:17:49] Mayor I move with that we.

[2:17:51] Continue item 8.5. Yeah, just wait till the next appropriate work session.

[2:17:55] Thank you.

[2:17:57] Zero second, I'll second that.

[2:18:00] Do we have a second by Council?

[2:18:03] Councilman Wood? You seconded.

[2:18:05] So would that just be April 7th just for clarity?

[2:18:08] Or what day is that? I am concerned that it doesn't necessarily need to be continued and it can be killed.

[2:18:14] It could be.

[2:18:16] Well, no. Some of these groups are going to come before us and they need to.

[2:18:19] Yes, elect their leaders and stuff in the next couple weeks, but that is not necessarily the same thing as creating the neighbor

[2:18:23] correct mission previously.

[2:18:28] Presented uh.

[2:18:29] And IA lot.

[2:18:30] All of the conversations that I've had with residents around the neighborhood Commission is.

[2:18:34] A concern about it just being an added layer of bureaucracy that's unnecessary. And the reality is that we talked about this

[2:18:37] previously.

[2:18:41] And these these people are still going to come to the City Council if they want to come to the City Council. So what purpose does

[2:18:44] it actually serve? And.

[2:18:47] We have a good idea of what we want it to accomplish.

[2:18:51] But I don't think there's community buy in to want to see that happen or to participate in it.

[2:18:56] Seems to me we need we need to fix it because right now we don't have honest representation there that whoever comes, comes right.

[2:19:03] And I think we need to go back to something like the traffic calming.

[2:19:07] Process that we already have in code.

[2:19:09] That allows residents to gather signatures.

[2:19:13] And to go for certain percentages.

[2:19:15] I would think that if we if we want to modify the the.

[2:19:18] Acceptable signature.

[2:19:20] Level from 75% exciting to down to something more like 60% or 50 even 51%.

[2:19:26] Then you know we can at least get.

[2:19:28] You know, make sure we have honest representation that does represent that group.

[2:19:33] As a whole.

[2:19:36] Not just a lot of this guy, yeah.

[2:19:37] I'm with Parker on this one, I think.

[2:19:40] There's certain.

[2:19:41] Situations where we need to.

[2:19:43] Look at potentially not just doing things by the majority especially in the cheminat were.

[2:19:47] We've already got 56% as of December 2024.

[2:19:51] Of the households that are rental units and so it.

[2:19:54] That's really what.

[2:19:55] In my in my mind spurred this discussion in the 1st place, recognizing that.

[2:19:59] Having these kind of blanket.

[2:20:01] You have to get this many signatures, you have to do this percentage of things. It makes it really difficult to.

[2:20:06] Be able to craft good policy in a unique way that's kind of tailored to the needs of the community? Sure.

[2:20:12] So we had a motion on the table.

[2:20:14] To continue it.

[2:20:16] Continuously, yeah. And seconded.

[2:20:19] OK. So you're asking to amend?

[2:20:22] To amend it to amendment.

[2:20:24] My thought was.

[2:20:26] Do we want to proceed with this at all?

[2:20:29] And if not, let's not continue it. Let's.

[2:20:31] As a counter motion probably help you.

[2:20:34] I was just going to counter to.

[2:20:35] Strike it, which was a strike it.

[2:20:38] So let's should we?

[2:20:39] In the in the future though, if that's a consensus to strike it and I'm OK.

[2:20:44] The same policy or approaches.

[2:20:47] Instead of coming here and screaming, you know, like it, the public comment period.

[2:20:51] If the problem does arise, we're going to.

[2:20:54] Build a consensus. Bring an entire neighborhood.

[2:20:58] And they're.

[2:20:59] There's got to be some sort. I don't know if a leader or appointed leader. That's what I don't like.

[2:21:03] I like finds.

[2:21:04] Organ, you know, volunteers to organize the voice. I don't know how you call that.

[2:21:10] And to bring dictates a residence how they.

[2:21:14] Approach their government like.

[2:21:15] They can come and scream at us, they can protest on the streets, they can do a lot.

[2:21:19] I think what we say is not going to matter in that. The other nuance is that.

[2:21:23] Really, this is a volunteer effort if somebody wants to do that, right? So like, we can't make somebody go hang Flyers.

[2:21:29] No, yeah. And it certainly helps in our decision making. I mean when now?

[2:21:34] All these communities that have.

[2:21:35] Set up their leaders. When their leaders come and say, hey, we've talked to the community.

[2:21:39] I'm definitely gonna weigh that in my decision to say.

[2:21:41] This is an added bonus of.

[2:21:44] And we all we already have a traffic calming process in our code.

[2:21:47] Which would accommodate that like it would give authority to them if they.

[2:21:51] They have a solution and they want to.

[2:21:52] Get everyone behind it and they get enough people behind it then that.

[2:21:55] It makes it easier helping our side.

[2:21:58] If it's going to work or not.

[2:21:59] It's OK and they'd still work through Jacob Wood on that issue like.

[2:22:03] As an the appointed person to kind of organize whoever, whoever council appoints.

[2:22:08] Awesome. So I'm gonna.

[2:22:10] I'm gonna call for a vote or call for a motion to strike.

[2:22:14] To strike, yeah.

[2:22:16] You have one.

[2:22:17] Second one to have it, is it second I second?

[2:22:20] OK. And.

[2:22:21] Let's do this by roll call Parker.

[2:22:23] Hi Jake, I want to hear can we have Jacob would vote first so I know.

[2:22:29] That's gonna no that's not allowed. Hey this is DKS thing not.

[2:22:33] I don't think we need a roll call to strike all in favor.

[2:22:38] Aye.

[2:22:40] We're going to strike it correct, Correct.

[2:22:45] Motion to strike passes.

[2:22:47] OK.

[2:22:50] That's all we got tonight, guys. Can I make my comment now? Right before we're twisted? Yep.

[2:22:55] I just want to say that I believe, I feel.

[2:22:58] I've had a lot of residents come out and talk about.

[2:23:01] How professional you've conducted the meetings?

[2:23:03] Mayor, I love how you allow throughout the entire meeting public comment.

[2:23:08] And.

[2:23:10] I respect you for that and I think.

[2:23:12] Citizens are growing.

[2:23:13] In that trust and more people are coming.

[2:23:16] And I.

[2:23:19] I think that we're growing up as a council, so I appreciate your I move to continue all the other comments to next week's meeting.

[2:23:22] You're here, you're here.

[2:23:28] You're here for Jake.

[2:23:29] Thank you for your appreciate. You're doing a good job. We will adjourn.

[2:23:33] Showing respect.

[2:23:36] It makes it harder, but it's a lot of respect. Next week is is spring break.

[2:23:42] Next week is spring break. What's everyone's plan? Y'all going to be trying to take a vacation?

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