[0:04] I'd like to call the meeting to order is 6:31.

[0:10] Can you do roll call? >> Huffman

[0:14] » here. >> Stone

[0:16] » here. >> Morgan

[0:17] » here. >> Ralph

[0:18] » here. >> Anderson

[0:21] » here. >> H

[0:22] » here. >> D here.

[0:24] » We do have a a full quum. >> Thank you. Next on the agenda is the

[0:29] pledge of allegiance.

[0:34] Thank you. I al to the flag of the United States of

[0:40] America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,

[0:46] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat]

[0:53] Do

[0:58] » you have any order of business for emergencies?

[1:01] » No. >> You we have any attendance on Zoom?

[1:05] » No. >> Next on the agenda, please report.

[1:17] » How everyone? >> A lot of the same that you probably

[1:21] heard the last month. Um, our systems are still taking a beating. Uh, I don't

[1:27] have any official report to give. Um, last month's was a good month to all my

[1:33] poll understanding talking with the other deputies working out here. Um,

[1:37] seems like a good time. Things are slowing down. Nothing crazy to my

[1:42] knowledge has happened around here or within the county really. Um,

[1:48] last month spent some time out in Rapid myself. at their central states fair.

[1:53] Saw some familiar faces from the wall. Uh hope some people got to go out there

[1:58] and enjoy a good time. Seemed like it was a good fair this year. No issues.

[2:02] Beyond that, I don't have a whole lot to give because I don't have a report, but

[2:06] if y'all have any questions or any concerns, I can try to address them best

[2:10] of my abilities. >> Any questions?

[2:16] Hearing none. Thanks for all you guys do out there. Absolutely.

[2:22] Next is to adopt the agenda. So I have a motion

[2:27] » second >> and a second. Any discussion?

[2:32] » Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. I.

[2:35] » All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Is there any conflict of interest with

[2:41] you here? Where are

[2:45] none? I assume none. Next is to approve the 8 or August 20th,

[2:51] 2026 city council meeting minutes. >> Move to approve.

[2:55] » I have a motion >> by Dan, second by Jerry. Any further

[3:00] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[3:04] » I. >> I. All oppose. Same sign.

[3:07] » Motion carries. Next we have

[3:12] that

[3:16] we have the city of wall fire department library cemetery claims. Um the city of

[3:23] wall we have total bills of $ 109,743.81.

[3:29] I would also like to note under the BBB funds we are uh making the last payment

[3:33] on the community center. >> Yeah.

[3:36] » Yay. Uh we have cemetery bills of $221.90.

[3:43] We have fire department bills of $2,32.60.

[3:49] And we have library bills of $569.50. Is there any discussion?

[3:58] If not, I would take a motion. >> That exact made a motion. I'll second.

[4:05] » Melton had second. Any further discussion?

[4:09] Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. >> All oppose. Same sign.

[4:14] Motion carries. Next is the review of the on call uh

[4:20] schedule overtimes sification report, water usage report, sales tax report,

[4:28] budget reports in the library uh August 26 26 meeting minutes.

[4:35] Are there any comments, questions, concerns?

[4:39] Caroline, I just noticed on the city's budget that in the street section the

[4:45] wages are like at 300% over budget. >> Yeah, I have not been able to adjust

[4:51] those because right now the way the software works I can only um expense to

[4:57] one of the five funds and then I have so adjust and I'm working on that before we

[5:03] start the budget. So, okay. Thank you.

[5:09] Any other questions or comments? Hearing none,

[5:16] we'll move on to item 12, library recognition.

[5:21] » I included it in your packet that I uh the library had shared um a recognition

[5:28] letter that they'd received on uh receiving their achieving their

[5:33] accreditation for the from the South Dakota State Library. And so I just

[5:38] thought they deserved a kudos for that and wanted to bring everybody's

[5:43] attention to that at this meeting. So >> thank you. That was a great uh

[5:47] achievement for them. So thanks for bringing that to our attention.

[5:53] » Next on the is a presentation.

[6:04] » I need you to come all the way around here.

[6:06] » [laughter]

[6:13] » Mayor, we have this plaque presenting in recognition of the four years of

[6:16] outstanding service and dedication to the community and citizens of law in

[6:21] your capacity as mayor. Thank you.

[6:30] picture first.

[6:41] » Don't let her falling.

[6:50] Thank you.

[6:58] Thank you for that. Um nice recognitions that they could change that and

[7:06] it was an honor to serve for the last four years. And I want to express my

[7:12] appreciation to the council and to the amazing city staff that you have here.

[7:19] Carolyn, Garrett, Trevor, Brandon, Rashan, Katie, Michaela, and Brook. They

[7:26] are committed to this community and they care how it looks and they work hard uh

[7:33] to keep it uh at top-notch condition.

[7:43] When I reflected over the last four years, I understand that lots has

[7:49] happened in the wall. I took my oath in May of 2022 and in June was the cactus

[7:55] fire. I was grateful to Garrett on how he knew how to get water to the main

[8:03] street for the firemen who knew the about the double wall. That kind of

[8:08] experience in a moment of uh terrific circumstances

[8:14] is uh very much appreciated and useful. In July, I was made aware that the

[8:23] ambulance service was in dire situation. Mike and Dan, you assisted me in getting

[8:30] a new board of directors. So, thank you, Lily and Zach and Melanie and the other

[8:37] two directors that have worked to get that back on its wheels. And thank you,

[8:42] council, for the $531,000 that you've allocated to the ambulance

[8:49] to keep it that way since 2023, as well as paying the ambulance loan payment.

[8:57] And in September 2022, you approved the South Dakota housing loan that Stan and

[9:03] I secured for Echo Valley Infrastructure.

[9:08] And as a result, then that's created 24 lots. The result is 20 lots have been

[9:16] sold, six homes, and a amazing apartment coming soon with potential of 17 more

[9:25] lots. when you as a council fulfilled theou that you have with Echo Valley.

[9:32] And in November of that year, you approved the Kelly Avenue and Gloria

[9:37] Street extension and infrastructure. And that resulted in two stick built houses

[9:43] and five governor's homes. Young families have come back to town. And

[9:49] both of these projects increase property tax and revenue, which is what the city

[9:55] needs to operate. And then in December, I90 closed and you council members,

[10:02] community members, and chamber people stepped up to help man this community

[10:07] center for 24/7 the three days. And again, Carolyn and Garrett, your

[10:14] leadership and the expertise was absolutely stent in that situation. And

[10:21] Jerry, you worked tirelessly starting cars and digging uh folks out

[10:28] and then hauling them to their destinations.

[10:31] And in 2022, the airport runway was widened and extended. and I established

[10:37] the airport steering committee and Stan and Rick, three pilots, a banker,

[10:42] airport engineer, Carolyn and Garrett, the chamber and the economic development

[10:48] directors. All of that um committee work resulted in a grand opening flyin. We

[10:57] have been chosen to locate the wild line fire seat base here.

[11:04] Lease agreements have been updated. Apron expansion is planned and on its

[11:10] way. Hangar coven covenants were written. And recently the experimental a

[11:18] aviation group was hosted as well as a new business fly

[11:25] is located at our airport. In 2023, council, you courageously

[11:31] decided not to let go or lose the 600,000

[11:36] grant and you moved ahead to rebuild 4th Avenue. And phase two then would be the

[11:42] completion of that project down the road. And we um worked and established a

[11:49] relationship with Pennington County Sheriff's Department. The public works

[11:53] once again went in and remodeled the apartment for our deputy

[11:58] to live in. They painted and reffloed the deputy office and they worked with

[12:04] GFP uh or I worked with GFP for an office lease so we can bring another

[12:11] officer to town. And by the way, thank you for approving that lease at the last

[12:16] meeting. In 2025, we updated the community

[12:21] center, this meeting room. The guys built that wonderful council table.

[12:28] Seating for the grand hall was improved and the kitchen has been beautifully

[12:34] done all with elbow grease and work on the part of our public works uh folks

[12:42] and that is what is attracting associations and conferences to our

[12:46] town. For instance, the Energized Conference brought $52,000

[12:52] in economic impact over that three days to our

[12:57] restaurants and retail. And Roshan is working hard to continue those kinds of

[13:03] conferences. You chose and approved the engineer

[13:07] option to fix the flooding issues that we experienced after the 2025 rain event

[13:13] and that should commence in 2027. And this spring, Main Street was

[13:18] revitalized with the new legacy park benches that Judy Goldhammer um put

[13:26] together, promoted the flower pots, the beautifification committee hanging

[13:31] flowers. So fun to see people sitting and enjoying those benches um as they

[13:40] shop in our retail stores. So,

[13:46] I'm not sure what the 1900 views of the July 16 meeting did for Wall, but I'm

[13:54] here to say that I'm going to continue to be an ambassador and an advocate for

[13:59] Wall. The 150 plus or minus votes for me are people who understand Wall is an egg

[14:06] and a tourist community. They know that putting your eggs in all one basket

[14:13] and not diversifying the economy does not meet the common sense test. And

[14:18] growing wall means retaining businesses, helping new entrepreneurs

[14:24] get on their feet and move forward. Welcome new businesses because they will

[14:30] all contribute to property and sales tax revenue which the city needs. And I will

[14:37] continue to build on the opportunities and relationships that I fostered. I

[14:43] will continue to use avenue news to advocate for ProWall and promote that

[14:48] wall is a community that people want to live in and want to move back to these

[14:55] young couples that are coming back to educate their children here is amazing.

[15:01] So, I thank you for the recognition of the plan and I just want to say that it

[15:06] was an honor to serve and an honor to work with each and every one of you and

[15:11] I hope that you continue to make those decisions that count that will help move

[15:19] wall forward. So, thank you.

[15:43] Thank you, Mary. Next on the uh list is visitors. Kristen

[15:50] » Khan >> Kit

[15:52] » I heard convol [laughter]

[15:56] want to thank you all um driving in here. What a wonderful little community

[16:01] you have and you should be very proud of what you've accomplished. I really like

[16:05] your football field, but I do like it's it's it's clean. It's

[16:11] there's a lot of people here participating and that makes a

[16:13] difference. And I do like the way you run your meetings because I don't

[16:16] believe in wasting time. Spent 10 years in pure a lot of time got wasted there

[16:21] um with with income hearings. So, thanks for your time. My name is Kristen Kit

[16:26] and I am the executive director of Western Dakota Regional Water System,

[16:31] which is out of Rapid City. I come by Fort Pier and have been in Rapid City uh

[16:36] for 32 years and I love South Dakota and if you love something, you take care of

[16:43] it. And what we're proposing here with Western Dakota Regional Water is

[16:49] legacy. It is long-term. It is necessary. We have to start now. We

[16:54] started five years and we're coming to culmination of a lot of work and effort

[16:58] not only by our members but by the state and now we're working with federal

[17:02] government which I don't want to it's just like you think working with federal

[17:07] government. Anyway, Western Dakota Regional Water uh we have a

[17:12] forwardfacing campaign wanted to inform you about it. It's just add waterb.org.

[17:17] It's all one place where it's got all water and weather information for

[17:22] western South Dakota. It's got it goes into webcam. It's got webcams. It's got

[17:27] everything. So, if you'd like to go over there um and it's a live active uh web

[17:32] page and that is for everybody in I say western South Dakota, but we're getting

[17:36] a lot of statewide uh people attending that. How Western Dakota Regional Water

[17:43] started was there was West Dakota Water Development District had water rights

[17:48] that were coming up for renewal and they wanted to know if they should renew

[17:51] them. They engaged South Dakota School of Minds. School of Minds did a study.

[17:55] School of Minds said not only should you engage them, but you need to start

[18:00] accumulating more. Reason being, and if you look at the and

[18:05] I do have more handouts if if you'd like them, but you have them in front of them

[18:08] in front of you. If you look at the yellow area starting in 2020, all of our

[18:13] data, all of our science is based on population growth. It's not based on

[18:18] industry. It's not based on data centers. It's not based on economic

[18:23] development. If we're looking at the growth that has been projected for about

[18:28] the past 20 years or so, we've been at 1.1 in western South Dakota. And so they

[18:34] said if there is a drought that happens that is is anything not like the dirty

[18:40] 30s, we're not going back to to something that drastic. You are going to

[18:45] have a drastic water shortage as of right now. The natural recharge, which

[18:52] is the nice term for rain or snow, is we are taking out more out of the aquifers

[18:57] than we are putting in. So they said yes, you need to renew and you need to

[19:02] get more water rights. Water is a tradable commodity.

[19:06] It is if you have it and you want to sell it to another community, it is a

[19:11] revenue source. So what we did was we formed a nonprofit organization. We've

[19:16] been around for five years. This is our board. We currently have a board seat

[19:21] that is open and so I'll be talking with a few people to see if uh you all would

[19:27] be interested in putting getting somebody on the board.

[19:32] What our members have done, you've helped build Western Dakota. This is our

[19:36] footprint currently. We are actually at 53 members. We just got two more and we

[19:40] have two more that are uh thinking about it. One being me county uh is is uh one.

[19:46] But we do have water systems in meat county. If you notice our footprint, we

[19:50] are missing Olga Galavala and Todd County. The issue there is we have two

[19:55] board seats for the tribal nations. Presidency changes every years year

[20:01] every two years. I'm not going to tell you it's hard to get somebody that is

[20:05] interested in being on the on the board. It's not that it's a big commitment, but

[20:10] I've made it my goal to make sure that I get every county in western South Dakota

[20:16] as a membership. The membership is $1,500

[20:20] a year. And we have been driving off of that for the past five years. I like to

[20:26] put this in South Dakota drinking water systems. If you look at it right now,

[20:30] these blue dots represent the drinking water systems in South Dakota. East

[20:36] River is more organized. their population is more spread out. But what

[20:40] this does not show at the state of South Dakota, if you were under a capacity, I

[20:44] believe it's 25 connections, you do not have to register with the state. If we

[20:50] added those small water systems, we would have 500 more blue dots in western

[20:56] South Dakota. So, we got a lot of people punching down into the aquifers and a

[21:02] lot of them are unregulated by the state. But you can see that it is a

[21:05] growing issue. And in my mind, the reason it's growing,

[21:11] we have two things that have really that have really happened. One, co had a

[21:15] governor who said we're open for business and they came and they got here

[21:20] and they like the South Dakota way of life. I know that we're we're resisting

[21:23] it. Um is, you know, we want to preserve that and I understand that, but they are

[21:28] here and so we have to deal. Our population growth now has gone from 1.1

[21:34] to 1.73. Now you'll see why that really makes a

[21:39] difference when it comes to water usage. In order to do a project that we are

[21:44] this is a bold like I said legacy project we have to have our members

[21:50] state of South Dakota and the federal government and in order to engage the

[21:54] federal government we have to do something called a feasibility study.

[21:59] The feasibility study is done by the Bureau of Reclamation out of Bismar.

[22:05] They are a re reactionary agency. In order to get them to come down and look

[22:10] at all the work we've done over five years, I had to have an act of Congress.

[22:15] So, this year I went I got through and rounds. They put a bill through. Um it

[22:20] it went through it's just as complicated as you think it can be. Before you even

[22:24] get to the Senate floor for a vote, there are six processes that have

[22:28] there's subcommittees. There's judiciary, there's financial, there's

[22:32] the the uh actual committee vote, and I got to testify. Um, we are through the

[22:37] Senate uh waiting for the vote. They are just getting back from recess waiting

[22:41] for the vote in the Senate. In the House, we've got Dusty Johnson. He has

[22:44] carried the bill. He's been a big supporter. Also, we are at the committee

[22:48] hearing phase there. We just did I just testified on that and now we're going uh

[22:53] for a vote in the House. So what that will do is tell the Bureau of

[22:56] Reclamation, come down and take a look at what they've been doing. It's a

[23:02] 500page study. I mean, tell me this isn't the federal government. 500 pages.

[23:07] But what we've done is we've taken the investment of our members and the state

[23:11] of South Dakota and we have completed 37% of that study. All of our funding is

[23:19] go has gone into this the problem, defining the problem and coming up with

[23:23] the solution. So when we get the feasibility study and we're anticipating

[23:27] the approval of them coming down after the new year at that point we anticipate

[23:32] we'll be at 45% completed which will take a fiveyear process.

[23:37] We're thinking about two years because we've done we've invested so much in it.

[23:44] So why your support matters now why it still matters as you know there are

[23:48] strength strength in numbers. We have several things that work in our favor in

[23:53] western South Dakota. If you look at eastern South Dakota, there are seven

[23:57] large regional water systems in western that pull out of the Missouri. In

[24:02] western South Dakota, we have Lewis and Clark that pulls out through Mini Woni,

[24:07] but we do not have one large regional system. And there is strength in

[24:11] numbers. And so that's why I'm asking you to consider staying a member with

[24:15] Western Dakota. Here's the problem. I wanted to boil it

[24:19] down and this will mean something to some of you to almost a schoolhouse rock

[24:23] video because when we talk about water we talk about eight acre feet million

[24:28] gallons you know per day and that type of thing. Right now with the 1% growth

[24:33] we use 15 gallons of water in western South Dakota out of the aquifers.

[24:40] when we reach 2% which we are getting there we will need 24 24 gallons

[24:48] and so these are the projections for the next 50 years if we get to 3% we're

[24:53] going to need 40 gallons and at that point I mean even when we get to the 2%

[24:57] which it will if numbers pencil out we'll be getting there closer probably a

[25:02] lot faster than any of us want to

[25:07] in order to have a a third party verify the the uh engineering and the science

[25:12] that we did. We engaged USGS. And I know this is just a pencil of uh of the Black

[25:18] Hills area. But I want what I want you to look at is the red area. We all punch

[25:23] down into the same aquifers. And at this rate, the Rapid City and the area up

[25:28] into Hill City and out into Boxelder, they are consuming more water than is

[25:34] than is naturally recharged. Now, they have water rights.

[25:39] So they get to pull water. They're superior water rights. They're in

[25:44] secondary and third. And in that area, Rapid City and the surrounding area have

[25:48] a lot of superior water rights. So at that point, they trump everybody else's

[25:53] access to water. And when it comes to water, I want you to remember one thing.

[25:57] When it comes to water rights, that's that's on paper. There is one

[26:03] there's a difference between uh an appropriation or a paper of water rights

[26:09] in availability. If you do not have the water available,

[26:14] the paper means nothing. It means who gets to go to the well first. But if the

[26:17] well is empty, that's what we're attempting to that's what we are going

[26:21] to solve with Western Dakota. [clears throat]

[26:25] A lot of people ask how much water come out. And I think this this slide is

[26:29] interesting to me because at the lowest record flow Bismar puts in from Bismar

[26:35] 78 million acre feet. That's how we measure water acre feet. While south the

[26:40] Missouri River flows through South Dakota, it is ours. It is our greatest

[26:45] natural resource. And if you look at the lowest flow rate down ever recorded down

[26:49] in Sous City between Bismar and between uh Sous City, look how much water the

[26:56] state of South Dakota contributes back into the Missouri River. We are in the

[27:01] Missouri River basin. All of our water flows towards the Missouri.

[27:06] So it would be 0.1 ounce per gallon that we would need to have have the water

[27:12] needs reliable water. We are not here to replace current water systems. We are

[27:17] here to supplement. We are the wholesaler. We're the Sam's

[27:22] Club. But what we've taken is all the collective water rights of all of our

[27:26] members and we have met the uh water projection rates which [clears throat]

[27:32] is about 75 uh million acre feet for all of our

[27:37] members. So on paper we do have that. But the Missouri River is the most

[27:41] reliable water source. So that's why we started there. It's big. It's bold. With

[27:46] the feasibility study, when they when we they come in, you not only have to come

[27:50] with your big bold pipeline from the Missouri River, 165 miles, 2,000 ft

[27:57] lift. That's what we are proposing. 72 inch

[28:01] pipe. That is a six foot man. Um but that is what we are proposing. I

[28:09] like to bring this one up because these are the listing of the aquifers that we

[28:13] currently all draw out of in western South Dakota. And I like the the purple

[28:17] line. I highlight that because if you look at it from uh the Madison, which is

[28:22] where a majority of the water is pulled out, the water rights by acre feet, look

[28:26] at how much it's climbed in the last 20 years. And those are people that are

[28:31] going after water rights and and water consumption.

[28:37] Friend of mine says whisy's for drinking, water's for fighting. And

[28:40] that's what we're going to be in here is going to be a fight to get the natural

[28:44] resources that we need all the way out into western South Dakota. Here's our

[28:48] solution. The intake will be above the Aahi Dam on

[28:53] the Fort Pier side of the river. Now, I've kept these I shouldn't say I the

[28:57] engineers have kept we've got four lift stations to uh compensate for that 2,000

[29:02] foot lift. We've kept the yellow uh line, the transmission water line. We've

[29:08] kept it fat. We are not about imminent domain. We are not at that phase yet.

[29:15] But I will tell you this, being from Fort Pier, I know a lot of ranchers in

[29:19] between there. And there's no way when we're talking about a project of this

[29:23] magnitude that I will not make sure that they are compensated correctly. We're

[29:29] not going to get into that. We're not going to do a carbon pipeline thing.

[29:32] We're working, we've partnered with the uh electrical districts and the

[29:36] companies in western South Dakota. They are on board and they are going to work

[29:40] with us so we can part partner with the ranchers or the land owners in that uh

[29:44] in those areas once we get down to the idea of or the the laying of pipe. Now,

[29:50] I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's a 30 to 40year project.

[29:57] But think of it this way. Louiswis and Clark started in 1990. Louis and Clark

[30:01] feeds all of all the way up to Sou Falls, goes into Iowa, goes into

[30:06] Minnesota. They didn't put a big enough pipe. They

[30:09] just finished as a matter of fact of it the completion. They didn't put a big

[30:12] enough pipe in. Now there's a Louiswis and Clark 2. So they are back at the

[30:17] drawing board again to get more water to to that area.

[30:23] This is our distribution system and this is where we have done our our best to

[30:28] keep the costs as low as we can. We are using current water infrastructure,

[30:32] current reservoir, storage. Um, and if you look, we go all the way from down to

[30:38] Winter in Trip County and then we go down to Martin.

[30:43] Those are going to be harder to get water down there. Now, there's current

[30:47] water that goes down there with Lewis and Clark and Minnie was shown, but like

[30:52] I said, when the feasibility study happens, you have to have plan A, which

[30:56] is the pipeline. We also have plan B, plan C, plan D, and plan E. The federal

[31:02] government will get to decide which one we do. It could be plan B, let's do uh

[31:08] from wall over to the Black Hills, a regionalization. It could be uh a

[31:13] pipeline that goes straight into the aquifers and does recharge

[31:17] uh which would keep our aquifers at a level that we can maintain. But we we

[31:22] had to have five plans for that. I like to put this one in because this

[31:26] is the transmission system and this is the elevation. And if you look right

[31:30] down there at number two, there's WASA.

[31:35] So you see this, this is the 1 ounce per gallon of water that we will be taking

[31:39] out future funding. So what we've done is we've taken all of the ARCA money

[31:44] that we were given. We've taken our members uh support. We've taken the

[31:49] state money and I said we've invested it all in the solution and in and defining

[31:54] the problem and the solution. So what we're entering in these next two years

[31:58] is waiting for the feasibility study to be complete. So at that point we're

[32:03] going to ramp down to bare bones. We will have all of the engineering done.

[32:08] Everything will be completed. But Western Dakota as a nonprofit will still

[32:12] be active and I'll still be advocating. I do a lot of advocating in peer because

[32:18] I've made it my personal mission. There is nobody currently representing Western

[32:24] South Dakota's water needs in Pier. I went there last year. There was a bill

[32:29] that was brought up that was called the greenhorn bill or yeah the greenhorn a

[32:33] bill and that was uh greenhorn is a a layer in geology and

[32:42] the bill required that if anybody wanted to drill down below the greenhorn they

[32:47] had to go through the department of a at their own cost and have a study done and

[32:51] the study was coming out for each individual well at $750,000 to a million

[32:57] dollars speech. We defeated that and but that's what I'm there for and I I make

[33:02] it my personal mission. It is not in my job description, but all of Western

[33:06] South Dakota water should be represented there. So, I do that. So, the next two

[33:11] years we're we're going to be be going down to a lot of state legislation, uh

[33:15] things like that. We'll still be working with the federal government, but our

[33:19] science and our engineering will be completed. This is to show you just

[33:22] where the money has gone, where well, where it's come from. If you look at it,

[33:27] the ARPA money was the uh 10 million that we were given from ARPA and that

[33:31] was what we have invested to get the engineering uh completed. The state of

[33:36] South Dakota has given us a grant that we have used that is the yellow and then

[33:41] the green area is what our members have supported. So as you can see we have

[33:46] used every dime in a very transparent returnable way.

[33:52] Now if you look at the next two years since we are scaling back and and when I

[33:58] say scaling back and you guys can understand this it's myself and an

[34:02] office manager. Now I still have access to our engineers and we will still be

[34:06] doing things there but we are going to run a tight ship because I want to keep

[34:11] the membership dues as low as I can. So this year it is the 1500. Next year it

[34:17] will go up 200 and then the the next year will go up I believe it's 175. So

[34:23] it's really keeping it down in a cost effective way uh for the rate of return

[34:28] on what we're proposing. But once the feasibility study is done that's when we

[34:33] go into action and I can only put TB to be determined on there on the final one

[34:38] because that's when we will get into the real building the actual laying of pipe.

[34:44] Now, we are also looking at pilot projects for members. Edgemont is in a

[34:50] real pickle. Provo's in out of compliance.

[34:57] Hot Springs has excess water. We're starting a pilot project there where we

[35:01] will get water to our members. Another one that is up for consideration,

[35:07] New Underwood. The arsenic and radionucleides out there are shocking.

[35:14] shocking. Same thing with a you know any anywhere in there where we we have a

[35:18] pilot project that we're looking at where we start building from the Rapid

[35:22] City area and we start coming to New Underwood and we start coming to Wall.

[35:28] So we do have pilot projects that are going to start seeing returns for our

[35:32] members as soon as we can.

[35:37] So [clears throat] this is why your continued investment matters. I would

[35:40] ask that you would consider it again. This is what you get from me. The city

[35:45] of Wall can call me at any time. We you as a member get the infrastructure and

[35:50] technical. Um uh we do have you know operations and business support. We have

[35:56] done an assessment of your system already with with our engineers. They

[36:00] came in and did all the water samples and all of that. We have all that

[36:03] information. Um so we are up to to date. But if there's anything in here that you

[36:08] as the city uh wall about water needs help with, I [laughter] I don't want you

[36:14] going to talk about data center. Um uh I am here as a resource and this is just a

[36:22] look at the the just add water sd.org. I'd encourage you to go there.

[36:27] That's it. >> Thank you very much.

[36:31] » It's a lot. I know [clears throat] it's a lot. any questions you can think

[36:36] of now. Okay. My contact information is on

[36:40] there. Email me. It's my cell phone number. You can call me. Um I would be

[36:45] available for anything. >> Thank you. A lot of great information.

[36:49] » Yeah. >> I don't know that I have a comprehended

[36:53] all at this time, but uh glad you came. >> Well, I would be more than willing to

[36:57] come over and take you to >> But I know we're a supporter and

[37:01] » Yes, you are. and I appreciate it. Thank you.

[37:05] » So, are you asking for the funding still then for

[37:08] » Yep. It would be a $1,500 request for 2027.

[37:12] » I'll make that motion. Have you already did that or

[37:15] » It's for 2027. I come now. It's for next year.

[37:21] » In the budget. >> Yeah.

[37:24] » I'm gonna pull my computer so you can get back to the real business.

[37:28] » Thank you guys for your time. Thank you. Thank you.

[37:31] » I think you need to

[37:35] for the owl.

[37:42] » Okay. Next on the agenda is the doll's

[37:47] chainsaw approach access. [clears throat]

[37:51] » Jonathan was supposed to be here tonight. [laughter]

[37:55] We just have a problem with uh the school and our parking. Uh we was

[38:03] hoping that we could uh uh get it so that we could get handicap markings uh

[38:12] in front where um the they have unloading for handicap people. Um, we

[38:21] was hoping that we could get that painted and then, uh, as for the rest of

[38:26] it, um, I don't know. I had said something a long time ago to another

[38:33] manager about, uh, having um, parking that was designated and at one

[38:43] time we did have like Jacko uh, parking. Um if there could be a way that the

[38:50] school with the activities and the um

[38:57] dolls can coincide together so that everything

[39:02] has it so that we can have parking for our customers. Um Jonathan said things

[39:08] about towing people. Uh I think that's too drastic. Um, I think it's better

[39:14] that somebody maybe from the city council could actually talk to the

[39:20] school and be an arbitrator between uh what's going on between the dolls and um

[39:27] the school so that we do have places that um we can have for our customers.

[39:36] Uh our hours are 8 to 6 usually. Uh Jonathan goes in at 9 to 5 basically,

[39:43] but um we just have problems with having parking for our customers. So uh I don't

[39:50] want it to get to the point where they uh um tow people away. Uh I've like the

[39:58] school. I like the teachers. I like the the whole setup of the school. And I've

[40:05] worked with many of them. So, I wouldn't want to see anything like that

[40:08] happening. [clears throat] So, uh I guess you have to kind of talk to

[40:14] Jonathan Moore. His daughter had was running a fever today. So, I worked for

[40:19] him. So, uh I just thought that I'd come in and tell him what he had told me,

[40:25] which was, you know, trying to get it so that they have it painted where it's

[40:30] handicapped. And then uh also uh try to get it so that the school works with

[40:36] them so that when they have activities they don't take up all the parking

[40:40] spots. >> Are those parking spots in front of the

[40:43] Jacob corner? >> The Yeah. Well, yeah. There's should be

[40:48] like three spots from the the corner to the to the end of the jackaloupe to

[40:55] their lot. Three or four spots. But when we have football games.

[41:00] » So, can we place the sign? It's a >> Well, I I don't I don't know. We almost

[41:06] have to get individual signs. >> Can we do that? Maybe. Um I I don't

[41:12] know. I don't >> It's a public street. Yeah.

[41:16] » Yeah. So, I don't I don't know. >> Anybody?

[41:19] » Jonathan was the one that called the sheriff. I wasn't. So, I don't know what

[41:23] he has to say about it, but uh he put us on the um docket and I he didn't show

[41:32] tonight. So, I have to sit there and guess kind of what was going on, but

[41:36] from what I understand, he wanted it to be painted. and uh uh he wanted to to

[41:42] have it where we have certain spots that we can make sure that the um

[41:50] jackal chains are has you know access to so that that we can

[41:57] make sure our customers come because uh then right now everybody's parking

[42:01] across the street over at powerhouse so I guess you'll have to talk to Jonathan

[42:06] more but um that was what I is told. Okay.

[42:11] » I would believe if we talked to Dr. Cowser, she would work with some of the

[42:15] school kids. I do know when they play games out of town the school, they load

[42:20] on the school bus and they get uniforms and they use that. I I'm guessing that

[42:25] she would try to get the student art and we did put her signs up and it didn't

[42:34] work much, but um I don't know. They took the signs down and handed them back

[42:39] over to the statues and I threw them away because we have one on our door.

[42:44] So, it's kind of one of those things that if uh we can try to figure out some

[42:49] kind of a resolution to the problem, that would be great. But, like I said, I

[42:55] don't know. Uh Jonathan was the one that called the sheriff and he talked to Will

[42:59] Christopherson and I don't know exactly what was all said. I just know that he

[43:04] said that he would like to get it painted and uh we would like to have

[43:08] maybe designated spots that we are for us that that they can park at the

[43:16] weekend. So that's all. >> Thank you. I know we did talk with

[43:20] Garrett uh the other day. He he's not here today, but I think he was going to

[43:26] contact the sheriff, see what we could do there as far as painting um

[43:31] » a handicap. Why handicap? >> Yeah. Would there need to be like a

[43:36] handicap approach to it then for >> Well, I'm trying to visualize that.

[43:40] There isn't one, is there? >> No, it's all curved.

[43:43] » Curved all the way along. >> There's only one spot that's down real

[43:47] low >> because they're street.

[43:50] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[43:52] And that that uh spot that you're talking about was the old approach from

[43:57] the west side into that gravel park you lived initially.

[44:00] » Yeah. >> And I I think we're going to have a very

[44:04] difficult time taking city parking and designating it for

[44:10] for that that particular business. I understand the handicapped sign. Um and

[44:16] and trying to get that straightened out, but as far as parking, um I I don't know

[44:21] that we can designate parking specifically for that business.

[44:27] » Yeah. I I don't know either. I guess um I said to the owner, "What is it that

[44:33] you want to happen tonight at the city council meeting?" And he didn't answer

[44:38] me. So, uh, Jonathan is the one that's pushing, um, this more than anything.

[44:45] And I just, uh, word today instead of him and

[44:50] he was supposed to show up for the meeting and he didn't. So, um, I I don't

[44:55] know. I I just kind of briefed Lee said, "What did you want to happen?" And said

[45:01] he'd like to get it painted and um, try to get it individually marked somehow.

[45:09] So maybe have him get on the next agenda to help you with us.

[45:15] » Yeah, I'm sorry. >> No, you're good. You did fine. Yeah, we

[45:18] we at least have an idea. >> Yeah.

[45:21] » of what what >> but it's it's kind of the school and uh

[45:26] dolls kind of clashing and um like I said,

[45:33] I went to school here. So to me, this is, you know, amazing that school does

[45:40] so well. >> So it's very it's very hard for me to be

[45:46] kind of in the middle of this. I don't like it.

[45:50] » Well, we appreciate it. And we I know we'll consider at least looking at the

[45:54] uh handicap. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank

[45:58] you. >> Thank you. Any other questions?

[46:03] If not, we have a concern form for 217 10th Avenue

[46:12] like the parking lot's full of weeds, flood

[46:16] around the shed around behind a building.

[46:20] It's at the corner question because I've heard in the past,

[46:25] did anybody contact the owners about this?

[46:29] That's what we're needing direction from.

[46:32] » I've heard from people before we bring the request here, discuss them public in

[46:39] front of everyone and they not they don't even know about it and it's kind

[46:42] of not fair to the owners. they need to at least give them a call. tell them you

[46:48] have two weeks to do this and if it's not happening then we can do

[46:53] » this has been how the process has been changed too Phil is that form has to be

[46:58] submitted first because you guys have to give the

[47:03] direction on whether a letter be sent or how we need to handle request letter

[47:09] regardless everyone to take care of the property based on our ordinances

[47:14] probably should indicate the ordinance number and

[47:17] We do when we send a letter, but we need direction from it's not just something

[47:21] to have done. >> Set a process how to do it. Instead of

[47:25] just talking about people in open session, we don't call the name.

[47:28] » We're not talking about people, >> but it's obvious because I've heard it

[47:32] before. It happened here and people were upset that they didn't even get a

[47:36] warning and it was discussed among everybody. So, um I think

[47:41] » that's the process though. I have to take the totally should change the

[47:44] process. So, it's

[47:48] But I wouldn't leave it on the our office to do that. I mean, that was done

[47:53] before and we were criticized for that. Same way with public works is, oh well,

[47:58] we've had some words and so they're just picking on us type thing and that's why

[48:02] it was directed for the council to give them out or to do. I I don't know. I

[48:08] don't see a problem. >> So, for now then um probably you just

[48:12] need direction to send them a letter. >> Yep. We don't have to discuss it any

[48:16] further. >> No, two weeks from the time the letter

[48:19] is sent and if it isn't remedied then we talk about it in open session and

[48:27] solutions. >> Correct.

[48:29] » And then we'll have to look at how we handle that in the future.

[48:38] » I have a motion from Jerry. Second. Second from Mike. Any further

[48:42] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. I.

[48:46] » All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Item number 17. Uh, [clears throat]

[48:53] public comments. A time for members of the public to discuss or express

[48:56] concerns to the council with any issue on or not on the agenda. Action will not

[49:02] be taken on the issue until it can get added to the next meeting agenda. Each

[49:06] person will have three minutes to address their concerns. Do we have any

[49:10] public comments?

[49:17] We can probably if you want we can wait till 18. Can you do you have a minute?

[49:22] » Can you stay? >> Yep.

[49:25] Any public [clears throat] comments?

[49:31] Hearing none. Let's move on to item number 18. Uh the

[49:36] planning commission recommendation on reszone and ordinance changes.

[49:41] have that in your packet, I believe.

[49:46] » So, and I got a few things. So, I was contacted um by a number of people um

[49:54] in LA most recent days here in regards to this um with a number of concerns. Um

[50:04] probably the biggest concern um that has been voiced is changing the the zoning

[50:11] to commercial. Um and concern as far as doing that. Um

[50:19] there were a number of other other concerns but you know after listening to

[50:23] them most of them that was the biggest issue. I spoke with Dar

[50:31] today in regards to that and just kind of I I just want there to be some

[50:37] options um for these guys. I I think it's the entire council likes what you

[50:44] guys are doing. We want you to be able to proceed.

[50:49] It's just the zoning deal. And I think that we may have some options there.

[50:55] possible location changes as well with talking with Dar as far as but that

[51:02] those are all options. But anyway, um and so I was kind of looking at it and

[51:09] um the multiple or sorry the um the medium density residential if that's a

[51:16] possibility. Um, I also spoke with Chris uh bet um

[51:22] and he had kind of voiced he said he had voiced his concern with the planning and

[51:26] zoning commission in regards to that. Um h have we looked into that Carolyn? Is

[51:32] that a possibility that it could be zoned under a medium density

[51:38] residential? >> You're going to have to change the

[51:40] ordinance to implement that zone. Currently, we don't have that zone in

[51:45] place. >> Sure. So we have to change the order.

[51:48] » Have any of you guys been reached out to?

[51:52] » You know, we can create a different zoning and we talked about it at the

[51:55] planning and zoning. Um truly I don't feel like we need to create a different

[52:01] zoning district. I don't see why we do not have multifamily

[52:06] dwelling units under the residential district. I why we can't I don't

[52:11] understand why it's not included. So instead of creating a new zoning

[52:16] district, we probably just need to include the multif family dwelling units

[52:22] into the residential district for me. Um I looked in our uh commercial

[52:31] zoning district. We do have apartments. It doesn't say multif family dwellings

[52:38] but by the way we do have words multifamily dwelling under the

[52:43] wastewater ordinance and I don't know why we do not even have this in our

[52:48] time. Um so we do have apartments and seven second floor apartments which is

[52:57] for example if somebody wants to build over when we had businesses who had

[53:01] apartments on the second floor cactus cafe used to have one makes sense why it

[53:06] was in the commercial under conditional uses but I don't understand why we never

[53:13] included multif family welling units into our residential zoning Indry.

[53:19] So that makes more sense. We can create that's what city does. Uh

[53:26] they do have it's a multi-use. Um but

[53:34] are we going to have a bunch of apartments stop popping up here? In that

[53:37] case maybe we should have a different district. But truly why we can't have it

[53:41] under our just residential and then it's going to be zoned residential and it's

[53:46] going to be conditional use just like it is right now in the commercial

[53:53] and then we don't have to go to this hole. If you think about the long term

[53:57] for these three labs is that best use commercial.

[54:04] » Can I ask one question? Um, as far as when you guys are discussing

[54:09] this, when you look at a conditional use permit, which correct me if I'm wrong,

[54:14] but all conditional use permits have to be re-evaluated and reapproved every 3

[54:18] years. Just my opinion that you would want to

[54:23] be classified where you didn't have to >> apply every three years for additional

[54:28] use per. >> No, this is not

[54:30] » not the case in our commercial zoning. But no, but if it was under residential

[54:36] » because we have separate ordinance that's under business license and it's

[54:40] only three categories that are included there for three year renewal. Everything

[54:45] else is not. >> Okay. So it wouldn't have to be renewed

[54:49] then it's only daycare saloons and Airbnbs.

[54:54] » It's a separate Yeah. >> So we don't have to renew.

[55:00] It just allows the council or the commission, whoever, to

[55:05] require some possible conditions that they would want you to meet with your

[55:12] request is all that's the conditional uses in those sections.

[55:18] » Like for instance, >> sorry. Oh, I'm sorry to which you guys

[55:23] have covered, but as an example, if they didn't feel you had enough parking for

[55:27] your apartment unit, they could say, well, this will be approved based on

[55:32] having whatever number of parking spaces. That's what the conditional use

[55:36] means in the zoning section of the ordinances.

[55:41] » Would that be of suffice you got here? >> Yeah. Um, I mean, as far as the

[55:45] apartments go, you know, we first of all wanted to hear uh what people's concerns

[55:51] were. You know, we want a happy project of of what we do. So, is it a zoning

[55:56] issue that people have? Is it the apartment issue that people have? You

[55:59] know, that's kind of what I want to hear is what's what's an issue out there so

[56:04] that we can address it. And for the most part, John, it was the zoning issue.

[56:10] People were just nervous about that. Um, you know, there there are other

[56:14] concerns, but I think that they and correct me if I'm wrong. I

[56:19] mean, I spoke with you. >> I could speak to some of them if you if

[56:22] you like, >> John.

[56:23] » Yeah, because MDR is what we my first email actually Katie sent to you. That's

[56:28] what we requested was MDR, not knowing that, you know, Wall didn't have MDR. It

[56:34] runs under the commercial. So, we're just basically going under the zoning

[56:39] that the city's asking us to go under. Yep.

[56:41] » Yeah. And and you know, for some of you guys that weren't here um before aren't

[56:48] aware of it, uh John and I started this process probably 3 years ago or so. When

[56:55] we originally came to the council, we kind of came up with some ideas and

[56:58] looked around and we proposed a piece of property that was owned by the city. Um

[57:04] and then we were, you know, just kind of pushed away from that and pushed towards

[57:10] Echo Valley. Well, hey, Echo Valley has lots available, you know. Why don't you

[57:15] guys look in that direction first, you know? So, then that's how we ended up

[57:19] where we were at um coming up with what I felt was

[57:25] a a good spot, an excellent spot, and a heck of a building to put up out there.

[57:30] So, you know, I really feel like we were guided in the direction that we've gone.

[57:36] So, um, just wanted to make sure everybody was aware that this isn't

[57:40] fresh. We've been dealing, we've been working on this for a long time. So,

[57:44] » and I appreciate that. I know there's several of us new folks on here that

[57:49] that's good history. >> Yeah.

[57:53] » So, I think we just move forward and we change the we amend the ordinances, but

[57:59] we probably can't get it to the next meeting.

[58:03] » Listen to Lex. Sure. Um, just a couple things. Um, I think to, and I don't

[58:09] know, I can't speak for everybody. Um, I for one think that I don't know if you

[58:13] guys saw the picture when you walked in, but this is pretty awesome. Um, so I'm

[58:17] 100% in favor of of apartments. I think our town needs uh, you know, multifamily

[58:24] options. Um, my concern was um, the zoning. Um, and you just mentioned it,

[58:30] so you pretty much just kashed any other concern. I mean, if you came to the city

[58:34] council originally with an MDR, that's what my thought process was is why would

[58:39] we not zone this as MDR and why would it be commercial? Um, because none of us

[58:45] have a crystal ball. Um, I actually think these two guys are you couldn't

[58:49] ask for anybody better to probably build these buildings. I mean, I I trust these

[58:52] guys that they're going to do a great job with it. Um, but 20 years down the

[58:57] road, 25 years down the road, let's say, you know, these guys sell that or or

[59:02] whatever, right? Well, what's going to happen to it then? Well, if it's zoned

[59:07] correctly, um, you know, then there doesn't end up being commercial zoning

[59:12] in one of your great residential areas. Um, so I don't necessarily have a

[59:18] problem with, you know, any of the project. It's more so the commercial.

[59:22] Um, you know, from a personal standpoint, do I think it's the greatest

[59:26] location? Not sure. I mean, there's train tracks

[59:30] right there. I don't know if I'm how great that is or if that's going to

[59:33] present an issue for you guys. Um, maybe it doesn't at all. Um, and I I do think

[59:38] you guys had talked about um at one point you had looked at a different

[59:42] location in town um and got kind of told no on that. Correct me if I'm wrong on

[59:47] that. >> Yeah, we've looked at multiple spots.

[59:50] » Okay. Um I I thought maybe a good location for it, you know, potentially

[59:55] was the one they were originally looking at from my understanding, which was

[59:58] behind the grocery store. Um provides a lot of great amenities at just better

[1:00:03] access for their residents to maybe be there. Um I don't know that you're ever

[1:00:08] going to get access underneath the bridge to the school and to town and

[1:00:13] things like that. Um if you do, great. then the location's even even better to

[1:00:17] know because you have great location for that apartment complex to be able

[1:00:21] because then it's on the north side of Stone Drive versus like the south side,

[1:00:25] right? North side makes more sense. Um so that was kind of the main concern of

[1:00:30] of mine. Um just that yeah, the that the property not be zoned commercial was my

[1:00:36] concern. Um, I just feel like that'd be a mistake um, in the long term. Um, and

[1:00:42] it could bring some possibly negative options to a residential area. Um, I

[1:00:46] just don't feel like commercial zoning is a is the right zoning for the area

[1:00:51] that is picked for this. Um, but no, there's there's I don't know that

[1:00:56] there's a ton of concern as far as the apartment building in general. Um, there

[1:01:00] was a little bit like Mike mentioned about the location. Um, I don't have a

[1:01:04] huge problem with the the location thing. Um, as long as it's zoned

[1:01:08] correctly, um, and taken care of properly. It looks like they're they're

[1:01:13] great apartments. So, um, I think that's kind of the main concerns was, um,

[1:01:18] zoning, a little bit of location, and then maybe, you know, the cost of them.

[1:01:25] You know, what what's the cost of these apartments going to be? Um, do they ever

[1:01:28] become subsidized? Um, those weren't the top concerns, but just more questions

[1:01:34] than concerns, I guess, on that if what the long-term plan or goal was on the in

[1:01:41] the um logistics of how that looks, I guess.

[1:01:47] So, maybe you could speak a little bit to that side of things just on what the

[1:01:51] long-term plan on is it for I understand 12 apartments. Okay.

[1:01:56] » Yep. >> Um, but and I let these guys talk on

[1:01:59] that. I don't know about the ins and outs of the project, but so thanks for

[1:02:03] your time on that, guys.

[1:02:08] » Yeah, it's a 12 unit apartment complex. Uh there's eight two-bedroom units in

[1:02:15] there. There's two um one-bedroom units in there, and there's two studio units

[1:02:22] in there. Um, as most of you know, um, we've also or I've also built some town

[1:02:29] homes over there that are threebedroom. And I think, you know, if you guys check

[1:02:34] out your um, housing study that the city pays for

[1:02:40] every few years, you'll see that what we are proposing is almost following it to

[1:02:46] a tea, exactly what the study is requesting. So, we're not just kind of

[1:02:51] falling into this blindly. We've taken our time. We've done our homework and uh

[1:02:58] we're just looking to proceed with the project.

[1:03:03] So, but if anybody has absolutely any questions, I mean, right now will be the

[1:03:07] time to to answer them. >> Would you would you be in favor of a of

[1:03:11] an MDR, John? >> I'd be all over an MDR.

[1:03:15] » Yep. I don't have a problem with that's the zoning that typically we would apply

[1:03:19] for on anything. So, every town obviously has a little

[1:03:25] bit of a different avenue on how they word their zoning or what they what they

[1:03:30] use it for. You know, right now, correct me if I'm wrong, Carolyn, but in

[1:03:35] single family, as long as the covenants allow for it,

[1:03:39] you can go up to eight units. And so this is basically and what like

[1:03:47] say for instance the city of Rapid City would do they designate certain areas

[1:03:51] for below units and once they get you know between that basically six and 20

[1:03:57] units it's one way once you get so many stories you get into high density

[1:04:01] residential everybody just classifies it different ways but as far as commercial

[1:04:07] we have no intentions of building anything commercial there in any kind of

[1:04:11] business We strictly want to build our apartments. So, we're just following the

[1:04:16] guidelines that the city's given us. This is what the city zoning is as

[1:04:20] commercial. So, that's what we requested.

[1:04:22] » Yeah. And John actually in the email that he originally drafted it up request

[1:04:26] was for MDR. Um so, yeah, we reviewed that today. So, just not knowing 100%

[1:04:32] what the reclassification when the city went through and changed their um uh

[1:04:37] classifications were. So, I mean, that's what

[1:04:40] » But you were at a rack in a hard spot because it was like, well, the only way

[1:04:44] we can get this done is if we go commercial because the way the zoning is

[1:04:46] currently in the city. >> Yeah. Right.

[1:04:49] » You you didn't have any way to move forward other than to get it requested

[1:04:53] as that. >> Yeah. The the city tells us how to zone

[1:04:56] it. Okay. Yep. >> We've never had MDRs for zoning. I mean,

[1:05:00] when we redid our zoning ordinance, we just wrote it to include the zonings

[1:05:05] that we did have. The only one we added was highway commercial, which we felt

[1:05:10] was a need to change. >> Yeah.

[1:05:12] » My opinion on this one, like Lily said, if if you think you're going to be

[1:05:17] building more areas of apartments, then maybe look at it, but that's going to be

[1:05:21] a lot slower process for them to add that MDR because

[1:05:25] » I believe you can amend your residential to incorporate

[1:05:30] multi-dwelling unit. >> That's

[1:05:33] what we're trying to do. You just amend your residential is what Lily said,

[1:05:36] right? >> This is easier

[1:05:40] » create a brand new one >> because we're not going to put an an MDU

[1:05:44] district in there just for apartments. We're going to have to look at what are

[1:05:48] the things and how it needs to be written to cover. There's just going to

[1:05:51] be a lot more detail to it rather than amending the residential.

[1:05:57] » No, I understand that. It's just a precedence for I'm not saying a bunch of

[1:06:01] apartments are going to pop up in the wall, right?

[1:06:02] » [clears throat] >> But in 5 to 10 to 20 years from now,

[1:06:05] maybe there is another one that comes up that's a above an 8 unit, then they have

[1:06:12] to go through the same struggle that John and Dar went through. Why why make

[1:06:17] that next person go through the same struggle just to fix it the right way

[1:06:20] now and and amend it properly so that it residential but and then we we still

[1:06:29] going to leave it in the commercial in case somebody wants to build it in the

[1:06:35] commercial. So, we we're going to have it in both

[1:06:38] » and [clears throat] then >> we're just going to call it multif

[1:06:40] family dwelling units. >> And would some of our other

[1:06:44] apartments that Wall currently has, would they be able to fall under the

[1:06:49] same category? >> They're already residential now and

[1:06:54] they're grandfathered. Yeah. >> To me, an apartment is a resident.

[1:06:58] Granted, they're there to rent and they are money to pay for it, but they're

[1:07:03] they're residential. We have people that own houses here that don't live in them

[1:07:07] and rent them out. We don't make them be a commercial district, right? But to me,

[1:07:11] it's going to be a residential building. I see no problem.

[1:07:15] » I do have one question maybe just about John and Dard. You guys mentioned your

[1:07:19] previous location. Is there would you guys have a preference on that or maybe

[1:07:23] since you've done enough initial work on the current location at um Stone Drive

[1:07:28] if if you were to be granted the location that you originally proposed

[1:07:34] and you I mean that's would you rather be at your original location or the

[1:07:38] location that you're proposing now at Stone Drive just out of curiosity and I

[1:07:42] don't mean to put you on the spot but >> but you're going to

[1:07:47] answer that part. I was the one that opposed the original. They were going to

[1:07:52] take land away from the rodeo grounds. I'm very agriculture. They loved that

[1:07:56] one spot because it was right next to a grocery store. Their apartment renters

[1:08:00] could walk to it. I did not want them to see them taking away from our rodeo and

[1:08:06] our rodeo has grown tremendously in the past few years and they plan on growing

[1:08:11] even more. So I will always stand behind our rodeo and our rodeo kids and I will

[1:08:17] always stand behind all kids of all. So I will never want to take anything away

[1:08:22] from >> So that was the original reason for not

[1:08:24] having that location. >> I fought it. I fought it. I'll just tell

[1:08:27] you >> because that where it was at the rodeo

[1:08:29] center. >> Yes. It was going to take away a lot of

[1:08:32] parking for the rodeo. >> That's why I fought that one and I'm

[1:08:36] sorry I was >> Oh no, you're good. I mean that was the

[1:08:38] spot we wanted to be at. You know, we didn't get the go-ahehead on that. So,

[1:08:42] we moved on and found our next best location.

[1:08:45] » I didn't know it was >> what it is. I was sitting right next to

[1:08:48] Dar here and I didn't know it was Dar that was the one even in the process

[1:08:53] yet.

[1:08:56] » So, to your question, >> so we basically say as we say, yeah, it

[1:09:00] was back in planning and zone to add. >> Well, and to your question, the

[1:09:04] publication went out as amendments to this chapter of the ordinance. So it did

[1:09:11] not say >> okay.

[1:09:13] » So it said amending. So we can still add that into at the next meeting.

[1:09:18] » Okay. >> So it's not going to be an issue.

[1:09:20] » Yeah. It's going to be September 21st I believe. Right.

[1:09:23] » Yes. Y >> do I need a motion for that?

[1:09:26] » No. >> Next meeting.

[1:09:28] » No, it'll just go back to the next meeting.

[1:09:32] » That well I guess give me some clarification on what your the council's

[1:09:36] plan is to move forward. So as soon as they amend the ordinance, the council is

[1:09:42] going to approve it, I assume. So um yes and then truly you don't have the only

[1:09:50] time you have to come here with your building permit.

[1:09:53] » Okay. >> Yeah. And

[1:09:54] » if it's outside any requirements, if it's if you do not ask for any variances

[1:10:00] on what you're allowed on that lot, >> Garrett and I as administrators will

[1:10:05] approve it. It's only if you would ask for something outside of our ordinance

[1:10:09] that does isn't enough. >> Okay.

[1:10:12] » And I don't know how much we have in our ordinance. The only thing I found about

[1:10:15] the parking and which is you guys have one and a half per unit.

[1:10:20] » Yeah. So this is the only thing I found. Um

[1:10:24] said I mean and I think you guys probably give us more than we know what

[1:10:30] needs to be done there truly because you already have it all

[1:10:35] » designed. Yeah. Oh, at the next council meeting and you'll amend yours. What are

[1:10:40] you saying? >> So, it's going to do it's going to go to

[1:10:42] the planning and zoning and they meet on September 21st.

[1:10:46] » Meeting is the 17th. So, it's going to be October.

[1:10:49] » October. >> October.

[1:10:50] » But truly at this point, I mean, you guys don't do anything until you start

[1:10:55] the >> Okay. All the process we went through,

[1:10:59] the signage, the letters, all still qualified for what we've done here.

[1:11:04] » Okay. Uh, did they have to pay something for this

[1:11:08] for the res? >> No.

[1:11:13] » Just the building. >> Yeah.

[1:11:17] » So, that that's part of the uh zoning request. The other part was the changes

[1:11:22] to the um for the uh Airbnb stuff. >> Correct. And I was just sharing with the

[1:11:30] council, you know, the proposed ordinance changes that Lily had and

[1:11:35] stuff. Not expecting any action really on this at all. I didn't know there was

[1:11:41] going to be question on the reszone either.

[1:11:44] Wasn't expecting any action. I just wanted the council to be informed of

[1:11:48] what was done at the planning and zoning and so but it's not going to affect

[1:11:53] anything.

[1:11:56] Okay. Are we done that one? >> You guys happy?

[1:12:00] » You guys good? >> Yeah. We'll just

[1:12:02] » Yeah. make the amendment and see how it reads.

[1:12:06] » Cheaper taxes for you guys, too. [laughter]

[1:12:08] » Perfect. Cheaper taxes for

[1:12:13] » Okay. Next on the list is the Industrial Park

[1:12:18] a bid for the second cutting, >> which we did not receive any bids on. So

[1:12:24] there will be no second. >> Okay.

[1:12:34] Next on the agenda is the industrial park land transfers.

[1:12:45] » All right. Well, good evening. All right.

[1:12:51] Hang with me. All right. like to thank my board for coming and

[1:12:55] supporting me in this um and thanking you allowing for me to speak on about

[1:12:59] the proposal to transfer the industrial property to the wall economic

[1:13:03] development corporation. I want to start by addressing the biggest concerns I

[1:13:07] believe some of you may have. Are we giving away a city asset and putting the

[1:13:11] land at risk? My answer is no. This proposal is not about taking an asset

[1:13:16] away from the community. It is about putting an existing community asset into

[1:13:20] the hands of an organization whose specific purpose is economic

[1:13:24] development. WEDC is an arm of the community. Our mission is to help Wall

[1:13:29] grow, create opportunities, support local businesses, attract new

[1:13:33] businesses, and build a stronger economy economic future for our community. And I

[1:13:39] want to be very clear. I am not asking for all of the city's land. I am asking

[1:13:44] specifically for the industrial park. Once replatted, the city the city will

[1:13:49] still have 116 acres of land surrounding the airport. The industrial park was

[1:13:55] created for economic development. Transferring it to WEDC puts that asset

[1:14:00] directly with the organization focused on using it to create businesses, jobs,

[1:14:05] investment, and opportunities. It gives WEDC a stronger balance sheet and allows

[1:14:10] us to pursue funding opportunities that may not otherwise be available. funds

[1:14:15] specifically for economic development corporations. For example, WEDC is

[1:14:20] pursuing funding through Dakota Resources. That funding does not require

[1:14:24] us to put the industrial park land up as collateral. The land is being recognized

[1:14:29] as an asset on our balance sheet. This is different from borrowing money

[1:14:33] against the land, putting the property at risk. So [clears throat] the concerns

[1:14:38] that WDC could borrow money, default, and the city could lose the industrial

[1:14:43] park is not what was proposed. We are using the land as an asset to strengthen

[1:14:48] WDC's uh financial position and its ability ability to attract outside

[1:14:53] resources. This will help us pursue grants, loans, partnerships, and

[1:14:58] investments that bring new money into wall. It can help us create affordable

[1:15:03] commercial spaces, the trades incubator, opportunities for entrepreneurs,

[1:15:07] facilities for growing local businesses, new businesses and new jobs, and

[1:15:12] development opportunities that otherwise might never happen. Let's be honest,

[1:15:17] Wall has a very real economic development problem. We don't have

[1:15:21] enough commercial space outside of the industrial park. There are very few, if

[1:15:26] any, options for business that wants to start and expand. There are not

[1:15:31] buildings sitting empty that businesses can simply move into. And while the

[1:15:35] industrial park provides land, many small businesses cannot afford to buy a

[1:15:40] lot and immediately build the building. That's where [clears throat] the trades

[1:15:44] business incubator comes in. The incubator becomes the stepping stone.

[1:15:48] Local entrepreneurs can start with an affordable space, establish their

[1:15:52] business, build customers, hire employees, and grow. Then when they are

[1:15:57] ready, they can move into their own building into the industrial park.

[1:16:00] That's the grow, the goal. Start here, grow here, build here, and stay here. We

[1:16:06] already have a local business committed to be our anchor tenant. So, this is not

[1:16:11] just a concept. We have a local local businesses that need this type of space.

[1:16:17] We also [clears throat] have no office spaces. We don't have a

[1:16:22] supply of offices for someone starting a professional or service-based business.

[1:16:26] And with the ending of First International Bank's office spaces, we

[1:16:30] have several current businesses that are in need of offices. There are

[1:16:34] non-existing [clears throat] buildings where they can simply create that space.

[1:16:38] The incubator can help with that, too. It can provide shop space for trades and

[1:16:42] office spaces for other small businesses, giving entrepreneurs

[1:16:46] somewhere to start without having to take on the cost of purchasing land and

[1:16:50] constructing a building on day one. This helps the entire community. The goal

[1:16:55] isn't to keep businesses in the incubator forever. The goal is to help

[1:16:58] them succeed and eventually move out and grow. They grow. When they

[1:17:03] [clears throat] grow, they hire people. When they hire people, we attract

[1:17:07] families. When businesses build or buy properties, we grow our tax base. And

[1:17:13] when businesses succeed, we create more demand for other businesses and services

[1:17:17] and wall. That is economic development. There is another issue that we need to

[1:17:22] consider. As we sell lots further into the industrial park, additional

[1:17:26] infrastructure will eventually be needed. This is a significant

[1:17:29] responsibility for the city, especially considering the city's current and

[1:17:33] future infrastructure obligations. WEDC can help by pursuing economic

[1:17:38] development funds that may be available to help us with that infrastructure.

[1:17:42] Instead of the asking the city to carry the entire burden, WEDC can work to

[1:17:48] bring in outside dollars for the project. This proposal also protects the

[1:17:52] community. What happens if something goes wrong and WDC dissolves, which is

[1:17:57] another important concern? The property would revert back to the city. The

[1:18:01] community is not permanently giving up this asset. There's protections built

[1:18:05] into the arrangement that ensures the industrial park ultimately remains a

[1:18:09] community asset. I also want to address another concern. If someday the city

[1:18:14] itself needs additional resources because a pump goes down, having the

[1:18:18] industrial park with WDC could actually provide another revenue for the

[1:18:23] community to access funding. WDC may be able to pursue other resources that are

[1:18:28] not available to the city in the same way. So then rather than taking an asset

[1:18:33] away from the city, we are creating another community entity capable of

[1:18:37] leveraging that assets to bring resources into wall. What doesn't change

[1:18:42] this transfer does not mean the city loses all the benefits associated with

[1:18:46] the industrial park. Hanging remains the same. The city will continue to issue

[1:18:50] the hang bids and receive 100% of the hanging revenue. The existing land sale

[1:18:55] agreement also remains in place with 75% of the lot sale revenue going to the

[1:19:00] city and 25% going to WDC to support ongoing economic development work and

[1:19:06] build WDC's capacity. So [clears throat] this isn't about changing everything.

[1:19:11] It's about changing the hold of an asset so it can be used more effective for

[1:19:17] economic development. This is about the future of wall. I understand the land is

[1:19:21] valuable. I understand why the council would be protective of a city asset. You

[1:19:27] should be. The question is isn't simple. [clears throat]

[1:19:31] What does a city give up? We should also ask what can wall gain. Entrepreneurs

[1:19:37] can't afford to immediately buy land and build. We have limited shop space, no

[1:19:43] office space. The industrial park can change that. The trades and conveyor

[1:19:47] gives businesses a place to start. The industrial park gives them somewhere to

[1:19:50] grow. We sec can help bring outside funding to the table. And ultimately,

[1:19:57] successful businesses create jobs, family investments, and a stronger task

[1:20:02] base. We aren't asking the city to give away an asset. We are asking the city to

[1:20:07] put the asset to work. What is the value? What is the value of the land if

[1:20:13] you simply hold it? And that could be the same land be worth

[1:20:17] to Wall if you help us grow and attract business.

[1:20:21] Let WEDC use the industrial park to create opportunities for the next

[1:20:26] generation of walls businesses and give people a reason to start, grow, and stay

[1:20:30] right here. We are not trying to take something from the city. We're trying to

[1:20:34] make something more productive out of an asset the community already owns. At the

[1:20:39] end of the day, it isn't about WEDC versus the city. WDC and the city are

[1:20:45] working towards the same thing, a stronger wall. Whether the title is held

[1:20:49] by the city or WBC, the purpose should remain the same to create opportunity

[1:20:54] and improve the future of wall. This is what our community asked for. I also

[1:21:00] wanted to bring back to something very important. This isn't just our vision.

[1:21:06] Our community vision meeting and community surveys, we have asked people

[1:21:10] of Wall what they wanted for the future of this community. And that message has

[1:21:14] been consistent. They want more year-round businesses. They want more

[1:21:18] good paying jobs. They want more opportunities for local businesses to

[1:21:22] grow. And they want reasons for our young people to stay in wall and the

[1:21:26] reason for them those who leave to come back. They want a community where their

[1:21:30] children can be build a future. By giving WDC this asset, we can move

[1:21:36] towards fulfilling the need of the communities without the transfer wall

[1:21:40] will stagnate. And you will tie WDC's hands in helping move us forward and

[1:21:45] helping the community. This isn't about building something that WPC thinks that

[1:21:49] we would be nice to have. It's about responding to what our community has

[1:21:54] told us it needs. The opportunity here is here. The need is here and we have a

[1:21:59] plan to begin addressing it. You just need to be willing to put our community

[1:22:04] asset to work for the future of the community. I believe transferring the

[1:22:08] industrial park to WDC gives us a better tool to accomplish that purpose while

[1:22:14] maintaining protections for the city and the community. My board and I

[1:22:18] respectfully ask the council to approve the transfer and give WDC the

[1:22:22] opportunity to put this community asset to work. Thank you. I'll take any

[1:22:28] questions. >> I have one. [laughter] So when I came in

[1:22:31] the other day, Rashan, this >> compared the new memorandum that was in

[1:22:35] our packet to the old one. >> Mhm.

[1:22:38] » And there is something under background and purpose that I question.

[1:22:43] » And so in that line item, it says that the industrial park has determined has

[1:22:50] been determined to be um surplus for the city.

[1:22:56] I went back and I could not see in any of the agendas that that was ever done.

[1:23:02] » No. So that's the process that'll have to happen this evening is you guys will

[1:23:06] have to call it a surplus and then we can transfer it and then we then we um

[1:23:13] and then the me the um meou

[1:23:18] um comes into effect. So it has never been surplus but it but that's something

[1:23:22] that that is part of the process. I just talked with Carolyn about that before

[1:23:27] that we would have to change it to surplus and then you can transfer those

[1:23:33] 85 acres after I replant it and um and then authorize theou.

[1:23:39] [clears throat] >> So Nathan,

[1:23:43] we haven't surplused it yet. We should not be voting on this yet. Correct.

[1:23:46] » I think that's the threshold question. I mean, the first thing you do before if

[1:23:52] you go down this route and go with this plan is determine does the city have any

[1:23:59] real practical use for this property anymore? And and so that yeah, the first

[1:24:04] thing you do is determine is this is the property truly surplus for the city. Um,

[1:24:10] but before you can do any sort of a transfer um or or convey it to the

[1:24:15] econom economic development corporation, >> I'd like to make the motion make that

[1:24:20] property surplus. >> Is there a process that we have to go

[1:24:24] through to to make it surplus? >> What what you just did?

[1:24:28] » Yeah, I think just a determination that we don't think it has just been sitting

[1:24:34] out there. We made to it. Second. >> I have a motion in a second. Further

[1:24:42] discussion. >> I do have some more questions and if you

[1:24:45] don't mind. [clears throat] >> So, I loved your presentation and I am

[1:24:49] all for what you're doing. Don't get me wrong.

[1:24:52] I just want to know in my mind what prevents you or has prevented you from

[1:24:58] doing any of this what you just spoke of which is wonderful for the last three

[1:25:03] years. Access to money. I have no money. I have no balance sheet. I have no

[1:25:08] assets. So, I can't I can't tap into Dakota Resources funding. I I don't I

[1:25:14] don't have that. And I need assets on my balance sheet to be able to do that. And

[1:25:19] this is an asset that I would like to add to it since we're going to be

[1:25:22] developing it anyhow. >> Are [clears throat] you talking loans?

[1:25:25] Are you talking >> No, I'm talking that Dakota resources

[1:25:28] funding which showed that I have assets. It doesn't put a lean on it. Doesn't

[1:25:33] make it collateral. It just says yes, you have assets.

[1:25:36] » Are you getting a loan? >> Am I getting a loan?

[1:25:39] » Yeah, it is a loan. It's a 10-year interestonly loan. And most economic

[1:25:44] development corporations use that money and then just keep after the 10 years

[1:25:48] renewing it and renewing it and putting it back into projects. So, it doesn't

[1:25:52] have to be just for a specific project. It can be used for anything economic

[1:25:57] development might want to do. Infrastructure for the industrial part,

[1:26:01] right? if we need money for the pumps going down, right? Those, right?

[1:26:06] [clears throat] >> What happened? I mean, the one thing I

[1:26:08] haven't seen and I have a huge concern about is I have not seen a business

[1:26:11] plan. >> Um,

[1:26:14] and uh I'm a numbers guy. I like to see um what our risk is. What are we going

[1:26:22] to be committed to? I mean, you just said you're going to take out a loan.

[1:26:26] » Yeah. [clears throat] >> Are you going to be asking for the city

[1:26:28] for more money? >> No.

[1:26:29] » Uh so, how are you going to pay for that? The loan will be paid from the

[1:26:33] incubator that gets built. That's the only reason I'm asking for money is to

[1:26:36] build the incubator. I already have an anchor tenant to go in it. I start out

[1:26:40] with 20% and move up as as the um >> But you're also asking for a piece of

[1:26:44] land. >> Yes.

[1:26:46] » But the land will not be it's not going to be loaned against.

[1:26:50] » Okay. >> Right. It's not going to be collateral.

[1:26:52] They're not going to take that away from anybody.

[1:26:54] » Can I ask what the value of that land is? How what's the value? you do it off

[1:26:59] of the amount that we um

[1:27:07] » um off of what we if we sold it for the a dollar per square foot that we have it

[1:27:13] advertised for it's 3.7. >> So [clears throat]

[1:27:18] technically what it's >> what does the city lose for borrowing

[1:27:22] against that asset? They seem to be short

[1:27:27] you would be transferred to them. So the city's not losing anything or I

[1:27:31] [clears throat] mean >> new camp or I remember at one point Mary

[1:27:35] explaining that things couldn't happen because it would

[1:27:40] affect what amount the city could borrow.

[1:27:43] » We have a debt limit. Yes. >> So you have a debt limit,

[1:27:46] » but that's the city's debt. >> Okay.

[1:27:48] » But what happens if economic development we we have a 60-day clause in there.

[1:27:52] What happens? We cancel it. What happens to that debt?

[1:27:57] » It's debt and >> it doesn't it doesn't go back to the

[1:28:01] city.

[1:28:05] » I'd really like to see that uh loan >> the debt doesn't go back to the city.

[1:28:10] » No, it stays on. >> It's a different process for economic

[1:28:15] developers. It's it's a different it's it's Yeah. And if you guys questioning

[1:28:20] it, maybe you can get in touch, but it's not going to be your

[1:28:27] » um I think Christie and I don't know they they come here and they talk about

[1:28:32] it so many times and that's what everybody

[1:28:37] they using this South Dakota resources to do that stuff because

[1:28:43] yeah, they have no other way to access the money and that's what they they for

[1:28:48] living there for years and the way they they raise their money it's all I don't

[1:28:54] want to call donations but they have to pay so this money comes from big donors

[1:29:03] so it's a little bit different just like working with the bank

[1:29:07] » I don't [clears throat] believe they even actually tell you what you use the

[1:29:09] money for they just review what you're using the money for yearly right

[1:29:14] » so I mean >> you actually pay your interest and And

[1:29:17] like I said, if your 10 year mark hits, you can reauthorize the loan and then

[1:29:22] you can dump that back in. >> You got to make sure the money helping

[1:29:27] the community, >> right?

[1:29:29] » So, will it allow you for the quarterly interest payment? So, what would your

[1:29:33] quarterly interest payment be on a $3 million loan? [clears throat]

[1:29:36] » My um so the debt for the incubator is um 63,000

[1:29:43] a year, I believe. And that's the first the first four years it would be in debt

[1:29:50] and that's what part of the loan is, right? Um but it it would come out of

[1:29:56] the rents. >> So you have a business plan,

[1:29:59] » huh? >> You do have a business plan.

[1:30:00] » I just gave it to you. >> Sorry, I was talking.

[1:30:05] » Yes. Yeah. I I haven't just I didn't just

[1:30:10] come up with this on the whim. I've been working on this for a while. So, um,

[1:30:15] like I said, the first three to four years it would run in debt,

[1:30:20] [clears throat] but I have worked into my budget, which doesn't show in here,

[1:30:25] money set aside to pay the debt until we start cash flowing it. And if we don't

[1:30:31] dump the money back into anything else, everything would be paid off in in 12

[1:30:36] years for 11th years and then and then the 12th year for Dakota resources.

[1:30:42] [clears throat] >> And what happens if you would postpone

[1:30:44] this a year or two? >> Well, then we're just sitting and I

[1:30:48] already have I have people that are interested in moving into that

[1:30:52] incubator. And like I said, these small businesses can't buy the land and build

[1:30:58] something. So, they're going to end up going to Phillip or going somewhere else

[1:31:02] because we don't have anywhere here for them to build. I'm trying to create a

[1:31:06] space for them to do that. >> And the original agreement too is you

[1:31:10] guys get 75%. >> No, you guys.

[1:31:13] » Or you get 75% and you get 25% and that's going to be the same agreement.

[1:31:18] » Yep. >> When we do

[1:31:19] » when we sell them out. Yeah. >> Just for asset closing.

[1:31:22] » Yep. You'll still get that. And we pay for all closing costs out of ours, but

[1:31:26] the real are out of ours. So you guys get that straight 75% and then we take

[1:31:31] that money and dump that back into more economic growth

[1:31:36] » paying down this loan. >> First of all, I want to say we I support

[1:31:40] uh WEDC and want to have a good work relationship as well. [clears throat]

[1:31:43] » The city is the biggest investor >> in WC. So we do have a we do have a very

[1:31:49] uh vested interest in your success >> and very symbiotic. Um [clears throat]

[1:31:56] » we do need to find a way to make the industrial park uh successful.

[1:32:00] » Um you know I had the original memorandum here from uh 2020.

[1:32:05] » So >> that was part of that. I was trying to

[1:32:08] remember. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:32:10] » Yeah. And you know I agree that memorandum of

[1:32:16] understanding needs to be u updated. I'm just not sold on transferring at this at

[1:32:22] this point. Um, I'm a numbers guy. >> I like to see a business plan. I don't

[1:32:27] like it tossed on me at at the last minute. That's frustrating.

[1:32:32] Um, and uh, if you do take out loans, I understand

[1:32:38] there might be some different things there. Um, but still the risk is on the

[1:32:43] city. It is. I mean, if if the thing

[1:32:47] dissolves, we might be stuck with a building that's

[1:32:50] empty. Mhm. [clears throat] >> Um, we might be stuck with, you know,

[1:32:54] potentially a loan if you did a loan on the building that are fiddling against.

[1:32:58] There's nothing to say you can't do that.

[1:33:00] » Um, so I would really like to see a business plan um solidified. What are

[1:33:06] your expenses? What is it going to cost to build out this industrial park?

[1:33:11] [clears throat] >> Just the incubator, industrial park,

[1:33:13] those are two different things. >> Well, you should have a a, you know,

[1:33:17] five-year plan on what you're going to do. the incubator and the industrial

[1:33:20] park. >> Yes,

[1:33:21] » they're two separate things. >> Uh they're kind of one and the same, but

[1:33:27] » they're two separate things. >> The the the industrial park does have a

[1:33:31] plan and phases to go into it, but it has to sell stuff. The incubator is one

[1:33:36] lot and that's it. And that has a um that has a I have a 10-year plan for

[1:33:42] that to have that all paid off and and producing what what what did I say it

[1:33:46] was going to produce? But that also took away 75% of our revenue for that lot

[1:33:50] that we were going to get. >> So I [clears throat] would think that

[1:33:53] the memorandum of understanding would need to be updated. I'm willing to work

[1:33:57] with you guys to update that. I'm right now I'm not supportive. I don't have a

[1:34:02] vote >> and so um it's really kind of up to the

[1:34:05] council what they want to do. >> Um but uh um I I think we also have some

[1:34:12] lack of transparency um in this whole arena. I mean, you you dump the uh uh

[1:34:18] business plan on us at last minute [clears throat]

[1:34:21] and whether it be between WDC and the council or vice versa, we just need has

[1:34:25] as much transparency as possible. And I think there's [clears throat] been some

[1:34:28] of that that question out there. I also feel at this time both ent entities have

[1:34:33] an image problem in the community and uh being more transparent is one way to get

[1:34:38] that and I think we need to um address that issue as well. But, um, if I know I

[1:34:44] don't have a say, but, um, [clears throat]

[1:34:48] » well, the land transfer, I'll be honest, the the incubator, I just recently got

[1:34:53] that tenant signed on, right? So until I had a tenant in there that was kind of

[1:34:59] still one of my projects, that money, if we wanted to use it for something else

[1:35:03] in town, we could have, but I can't even start accessing or looking at doing

[1:35:08] other projects or anything else until I have an asset.

[1:35:13] » Can [clears throat] I ask one quick question? So why would we start with

[1:35:16] just transferring the one parcel you is want to build this?

[1:35:20] » Because that won't be enough to get the money. the one parcel will not be enough

[1:35:24] to get the money for >> seems to me as a council us council keep

[1:35:31] tying economic development's hands we don't let them do anything as and I'm

[1:35:36] not quite sure on your statement sorry about that transparency I think if we're

[1:35:43] going to discuss it we should discuss it right now we're here discussing what

[1:35:47] problems are we having between us council and economic development

[1:35:52] I do not one is you know you just said it's a

[1:35:56] dollar >> dollar square foot is the market price

[1:36:00] that it is marketed at >> and it is advertised at

[1:36:03] » and we've had this for six years and we've heard about plenty of people

[1:36:07] coming in and plenty of opportunities and nothing's materialized.

[1:36:13] Um, again, 6 years. I'd rather us be successful at selling some of these lots

[1:36:18] before we uh move forward. >> These lots take a long time and it takes

[1:36:23] a long time to plan these. Stures develop theirs and it took them 20 years

[1:36:28] to sell their first lot. So, it's this if I can develop the one lot,

[1:36:36] I hate to say it, but if you build it, they will come. And sometimes there are

[1:36:41] things that I'm working on that I cannot discuss with people because of

[1:36:45] confidentiality with businesses. So, and I'm not trying to be non-transparent,

[1:36:51] but that is just the way economic development works across the country.

[1:36:56] » [clears throat] >> But even this memorandum of of

[1:36:58] understanding that there's some things in here that um it doesn't say you're

[1:37:02] limiting it one at you're basically wanting the first investor to be at uh

[1:37:08] what 20% of uh the market price.

[1:37:12] » I am not we if you want to discuss that we need to go into executive session

[1:37:17] because that is not for public show. So >> Mr. Mayor, may I make a few comments?

[1:37:23] Yes. And I I don't want this to be construed as policy or what I think of

[1:37:28] it because I I don't these are just legal suggestions. Um

[1:37:33] um and I think I've stated this in other context, but I I don't really like

[1:37:39] umus are um largely uninforceable.

[1:37:46] um especially when they have a termination provision on 60 days. My

[1:37:52] question would be what happens after 60 days? Um

[1:37:57] I think termination provisions in general are good. Um but um right now

[1:38:03] you the the two organizations, the city and economic development would only be

[1:38:10] engaged uh for 60 days and and then you could go their separate ways. And so,

[1:38:16] um, I have questions about the consequences of what if one of you

[1:38:20] decides to terminate it. Um, I would um I would suggest a detailed um

[1:38:31] if you're going to go this route, a detailed development agreement

[1:38:36] um that um says who's going to be responsible for costs of subdivision,

[1:38:42] what's the timeline um in which economic development or whomever is going to

[1:38:48] subdivide? Um and um and again what happens on on termination or dissolution

[1:38:57] um if there is an allocation of of distributions

[1:39:01] um that's fine. um that could almost be postured as a mortgage in favor of the

[1:39:07] city so that you know when it goes to close anything that's going to pull up

[1:39:11] on the title record and um then they're going to know that the proceeds 75% need

[1:39:16] to go to the city for example. Um, so just a couple of things I would suggest

[1:39:23] to um kind of fortify an MOU. Um, not not that um

[1:39:32] you know it can't be done or that this isn't a good starting point for

[1:39:35] discussion, but those are kind of a couple of suggestions I might have for

[1:39:38] the council. >> So I have a question for you.

[1:39:45] » There there's been a number of people and a number

[1:39:49] who have come and obviously asked questions um gotten to the point I mean

[1:39:54] even before you were in that position.

[1:39:59] Can you tell us what one of the biggest hurdles is that

[1:40:05] hasn't got somebody out there yet even prior to your position? Um kind of

[1:40:14] our biggest hurdle and these gentlemen are solving part of it is businesses

[1:40:19] look at our area and they're like that's great. Where are my people going to

[1:40:23] live? And we've been working on develop park.

[1:40:28] They're putting in apartments. So that's one of the biggest hurdles that we need

[1:40:33] to overcome is there's no place for it because even our existing businesses

[1:40:37] have that golden west electric teachers right we've lost teachers because they

[1:40:43] can't find affordable housing in our town so and we've been working on that.

[1:40:48] It's sort of a the everything kind of goes together. You need the workforce,

[1:40:54] you need the housing, you need the land, you need the shovel ready. So,

[1:40:58] [clears throat] um, and I've been on a campaign, I'll be honest, a lot of

[1:41:02] people didn't even know we had an infrastructure.

[1:41:05] » So, I can say private work. I can answer this question. It's local people, not

[1:41:12] other businesses, but who has entrepreneur money. It's a cost. It's a

[1:41:20] cost trying to build something here. And there is nothing to move in in here.

[1:41:29] It's for those who are here, local people. Like Jerry just bought this

[1:41:35] property for the rodeo >> rodeo grounds. Yeah. Besides these guys,

[1:41:41] I mean that's what we probably have. You guys have a reputation. They're not very

[1:41:46] friendly to new businesses coming to town.

[1:41:48] » How many years have you been working on yours? Well, that's how long

[1:41:53] she's been working on. I mean, everything takes a long time.

[1:41:56] » Takes a long time. So, I mean, if I could snap my fingers, put somebody in

[1:42:00] there. >> I would.

[1:42:03] [clears throat] >> So, another question that I have because

[1:42:06] you you deal with some of the housing stuff, too.

[1:42:10] » You know, I've had a number of people tell me that we call a lot of our

[1:42:15] housing affordable housing. Would you call it that?

[1:42:18] » No, I would not. >> Do the people who are coming to this

[1:42:21] area or looking for housing, do they call it affordable housing?

[1:42:24] » They do not. So, what are we looking for to solve that?

[1:42:27] » The apartments are [laughter] um our housing stock, I'm going to be honest,

[1:42:31] our housing stock is eaten up by piece of workers. We have 20 to 30 entrylevel

[1:42:37] houses that would be affordable that are used for five to six months out of the

[1:42:40] year and then locked up. Those would be perfect homes to put new workers in

[1:42:48] rent. They could be turned into rentals for workforce to come in here, but

[1:42:53] they're locked up and I mean, we also need those homes, too. We need places

[1:42:58] for our visa workers because we need hundreds of people in the summer, right?

[1:43:02] We don't have that in walls, so we have to transplant. But I have a solution for

[1:43:07] that, too. Anyone's interested. But um that would require some people to give

[1:43:13] up those homes or turn them into rentals for year round residents because if you

[1:43:20] talk to Cheyenne, she's got a 20 to 30 weight list of people looking for a home

[1:43:25] or a rental in this area. [clears throat]

[1:43:30] I don't know what our percentage of is for full-time job versus part-time in

[1:43:35] this community, but I'm pretty sure part-time is way higher than

[1:43:39] » fulltime. You can't buy a $350,000 house and think it's an affordable house on a

[1:43:47] part-time job. Let me tell you, that's why when we do get them people that come

[1:43:51] over here from overseas, they work three part-time jobs a day,

[1:43:55] » send all that money home. >> But we can't. Yeah,

[1:44:00] » it's a multi multiaceted problem, right? And we're trying to solve it on many

[1:44:05] different fronts, but it takes time. So, and I would like to, you know, help some

[1:44:13] of our local businesses that would like to expand, that would like to have space

[1:44:17] out there, but they can't necessarily buy a lot and build a building. They

[1:44:21] don't have much resources. And that's where economic development comes in is

[1:44:25] to support that growth. And in order to do that any funding.

[1:44:31] [clears throat] >> I would like to see our economic

[1:44:33] development grow. I made a motion to show support and I would like somebody

[1:44:38] to move on that motion. I would like to see a vote.

[1:44:42] » I got a second order. I have [clears throat] a motion and second. Any

[1:44:45] further discussion? All in favor say I.

[1:44:51] » All opposed. >> I

[1:44:53] » I motion carries. Um, I do plan on vetoing

[1:44:58] it uh because of some transparency issues. Um,

[1:45:02] you know, you guys are more than welcome to uh you vote, but I I truly feel like

[1:45:08] we have not [clears throat] been open and honest with uh the council

[1:45:13] and uh dropping a business plan on us at last minute is very

[1:45:18] » just one project I could go down. I could do many other multiple projects

[1:45:21] but that one I finally got somebody signed up to be in that space and I need

[1:45:26] two people to make that start. So >> and we have said that about the

[1:45:31] industrial park as well and we're six years into it.

[1:45:34] » Yeah. But to even help with any other projects, housing projects, workforce

[1:45:39] development, building office spaces. I got four people that are desperate for

[1:45:44] office spaces and we don't have that either. these people are in the stream

[1:45:49] community. So >> yeah, you know, most most businesses

[1:45:53] that actually own or make these kind of multiple or huge contributions have a

[1:45:58] bigger say and really the only person that has a say right now is me on there

[1:46:03] and uh I do get a little frustrated [clears throat] with that.

[1:46:06] » I would like to see a little bit of a change in the uh board of the uh

[1:46:12] economic development. How many of you guys actually live in the city?

[1:46:16] [clears throat]

[1:46:19] I didn't know you had it in the city. >> No, you don't have to, but there's no

[1:46:22] safe really from the city residents on the industrial park.

[1:46:26] » They're welcome to run out. We have elections every but I'm being honest

[1:46:31] with you of my concerns. >> Yeah. And and

[1:46:35] we have the same word all across. Yes. So these project costs

[1:46:41] you have had developers come in and you have itemizations.

[1:46:47] » Yeah, I I actually been working with >> somebody has designed this and costed it

[1:46:53] out for me. So that's where that price comes from. So, [clears throat]

[1:47:00] » so in in all of my stuff that I received, I'm new to this council

[1:47:04] » and >> I didn't realize we were looking at a

[1:47:07] building, I guess, until I didn't realize you were planning on building a

[1:47:12] building. >> Did you um

[1:47:14] » Oh, I missed something. >> I Maybe you didn't get this.

[1:47:17] » Did not. >> I just handled that.

[1:47:21] » Well, I just got this that you handed me.

[1:47:25] Oh, I don't have anything else. >> All right. Yes.

[1:47:30] » Okay. Motion carries.

[1:47:34] » Well, that was the motion to surplus the land. I'm just being honest with you.

[1:47:40] So, that didn't say you transfer it. You just surplused it. So now if you wanted

[1:47:46] to take Nathan's suggestions and fix that, we can maybe discuss it at the

[1:47:52] next council meeting about actually transferring it, right? And make sure it

[1:47:56] puts in the stuff that you were talking about if the the city would like that,

[1:48:01] which would also give you all I plan to look at.

[1:48:06] » I did have some questions about MU. >> Okay.

[1:48:11] » And this question for you. So if uh and you already

[1:48:17] know but um it's a claim and they say it's going to be reverted.

[1:48:25] Uh so my question is uh is it title company or lender or

[1:48:33] attorney are they really going to base it on

[1:48:38] what needs to be actually >> it's really

[1:48:43] ultimately it's going to come down >> be a separate like agreement about

[1:48:52] » yes >> because I assume it's something indeed.

[1:48:57] So maybe >> you can have the word version and be too

[1:49:03] » you can >> but there's more than one way to skin a

[1:49:05] cat. But um I I think um what's not that you have to follow the the road

[1:49:13] map that other communities do, but I think what most communities do is um

[1:49:18] they they would do a a quick claim be just a gift or a gift, but then they

[1:49:23] would have another document um a development agreement that's that

[1:49:28] outlines um responsibilities and the consequences and um a little bit more

[1:49:34] concrete and and you may even go record something behind it um to ensure that

[1:49:41] proceeds are distributed like a mortgage, some sort of a lean in favor

[1:49:46] of the city. the surplus um decision is really just

[1:49:52] kind of step one I think and and quite honestly I mean even to answer your

[1:49:57] question um all the women should that u you could go have it appraised now that

[1:50:04] it's determined as surplus and you might decide we'd rather market this for a

[1:50:09] private sale. Um so you could go a couple different routes. You could

[1:50:13] appraise it and sell it and recoup um that way or you could gift it to a

[1:50:18] nonprofit like economic development and let them run with it under an agreement

[1:50:23] that you'll get a kick back.

[1:50:33] So I think you're on step one and sounds like there's going to be

[1:50:40] further discussion on whether you want to take step two. Kansas City.

[1:50:43] » See, and that's that's the reason for for my no vote on it as I I think that

[1:50:48] there's just some details and some questions that that I think just need a

[1:50:54] little bit of clarity and advice and just, you know, so

[1:51:01] » so I would appreciate that extra piece of paper. Nancy said he got it in an

[1:51:05] email. I did not get it in an email. >> Interesting. Um, so what are the the

[1:51:12] things we want to clarify because I would like to create that document and

[1:51:17] bring it back to the next meeting. So what are our concerns and what would we

[1:51:21] like to to create? >> I if I can interject I think some of

[1:51:26] these discussions are I mean this agenda item has passed. I think some of these

[1:51:31] discussions are maybe outside of this meeting, maybe in

[1:51:35] preparation for the next one, maybe even out without a quorum. Um, we can have

[1:51:42] » have a committee set up. >> Yeah, we actually have Mike and Jerry

[1:51:46] and uh are on the economic development uh committee.

[1:51:52] » Okay. >> And as well as myself. So,

[1:51:55] » okay, that's a great [clears throat] idea. Just to clarify, the land transfer

[1:52:00] doesn't mean I mean if you do end up passing it, it doesn't mean that the

[1:52:05] incubator is our only project. It's just an idea. It may not pass or it may not

[1:52:14] what I trying to say. Yeah, it may not materialize, but then we would have the

[1:52:19] borrowing capacity to be able to do something else with that money to help

[1:52:24] build office spaces. So I mean the uh incubator shouldn't be the determination

[1:52:32] of a make or break on this the transfer of the land because it's just one idea

[1:52:38] that we can do and if that idea doesn't pan out we're going to go down different

[1:52:42] idea. So it's just a portion it's just an idea of a project

[1:52:48] » which is also why I did >> that can all be spelled out. Yeah. Okay.

[1:52:53] » Which the whole point is just to show that they have some asset so they can

[1:52:59] have the opportunity to work with the go resources. Right now we're not letting

[1:53:03] them show that they have any we're tying their hands. I'm sorry is what I feel.

[1:53:09] » Fair enough. I think it's time to move on to the next. [clears throat]

[1:53:13] » Okay.

[1:53:16] » Yeah, Wayne's here. Wayne is here.

[1:53:30] the 2027 membership paperwork. New tiers should be out by the new tiers. We've

[1:53:37] changed up the way we're um putting members in. They go in as tiers

[1:53:43] as employee based memberships now. So it allows allows the chamber to pick a tier

[1:53:49] that maybe best fits a business. Also, we're always looking new ways,

[1:53:55] promote, help you succeed. If you have any questions, stop into the office and

[1:54:01] don't just meet Michaela, meet Brooke, meet Rashan, meet

[1:54:07] her again, [laughter] meet Jeff if he's here. So you meet everybody in the

[1:54:13] office. There are new people here and some of the ch some of the chamber

[1:54:17] members should be in here and hopefully uh soon Michaela will start getting out

[1:54:23] and visiting some of the our chamber members also. So also the individual

[1:54:28] memberships are in they're designed for individual

[1:54:33] members who want to join if they're not don't belong to a business. They might

[1:54:38] be retired and might just not work. They can be a chamber.

[1:54:44] And some upcoming events, we've got the September 25th homecoming supper wall

[1:54:50] football game. Should be a good one, I believe. Annual

[1:54:56] craft fair Saturday, November November 7th. It's first Saturday November. And

[1:55:02] Michaela will be getting more information out on that. And

[1:55:07] that's all she had. No. >> Can I ask?

[1:55:12] » We're waiting for one invoice to get our chamber stuff.

[1:55:21] » Did you [clears throat] say where the se the homecoming supp will be same place

[1:55:26] it was last year by the CPU room and around by the gym there. So it worked

[1:55:31] out pretty well last year. >> It'll be from 5 to 6:30 this year. last

[1:55:36] year 6:30 >> at the game time

[1:55:40] » be all day and they'll probably be turkey bing too.

[1:55:46] » Any questions? Any questions for Wayne? Thanks Wayne

[1:55:55] report Mary stole some of my thunder there. Um,

[1:56:01] [laughter] so I did we did get a report back on

[1:56:04] Energized Conference and that economic impact and like Mary said um almost

[1:56:11] $53,000 in economic impact between food, shopping, fuel, and um and that um we we

[1:56:18] had um >> people really loved the um the food that

[1:56:24] was down here and um the entertainment of going to the dark skies and the bad

[1:56:28] lands. Um and they loved holding the sessions and going into our local

[1:56:32] businesses. Um the uh lots happening in Wall, which uh Mary did for us. People

[1:56:38] loved that. Um they loved to hear what we were doing and were really impressed

[1:56:42] with everything that was going on. We actually had to turn people away from

[1:56:45] that event because the bus was full. Um so I want to this was a very successful

[1:56:51] energized conference. If anyone wants to read the reports in my office um to

[1:56:56] thank the school, they donated the bus. They brought some kids down to help us.

[1:56:59] Um, I want to thank the community for letting us go into their businesses and

[1:57:04] um, just the town in general. You guys were always warm and welcome. Um, one of

[1:57:08] the somebody that came to that energized conference actually booked the um, the

[1:57:14] community center to hold one of their seminars. Um, and they sent us a very

[1:57:19] lovely thank you note. Um, it said, "Thank you so much for hosting our South

[1:57:24] Dakota agricultural and rural leadership class last week in Wall. We enjoyed

[1:57:28] meeting you and your community's hospitality was outstanding. Something

[1:57:33] you should all be proud to know." So, I just wanted to share that with you.

[1:57:36] Wall, thank you so much for being welcoming to everybody that comes in.

[1:57:40] Um, and then I have two more things. Next week, we start our lunch and

[1:57:43] learns. Um, West River Electric will be here um

[1:57:49] providing that. Um, that's at noon. Um, if you just want to go, give me a heads

[1:57:54] up so I can put you on the list to make sure we got enough room for you. Um, I

[1:57:58] have QR codes that you can sign up or you can just call me personally. And,

[1:58:01] um, we're doing the small business basics with SCSU. We're hosting that.

[1:58:05] Um, we pushed it back, um, to get some more people for to register. And it

[1:58:10] actually starts October 26th and runs through the end of November or just the

[1:58:15] 1st of December depending upon when the participants want it because that's

[1:58:19] right after Thanksgiving. So there's a the end date is flexible. Um but we have

[1:58:23] a breakdown of what's going on there. Um economic development investors uh get to

[1:58:28] do that class for free. Um, so I if you're interested in that, please let us

[1:58:33] know because it's it's a fabulous class and great for uh anybody interested in

[1:58:38] entrepreneurship or starting your own business or even updating your your

[1:58:43] current business's business plan and that kind of stuff. So, um, reach out to

[1:58:47] me if you have anything. Any questions for me?

[1:58:50] » Any questions? >> Are you getting more people signed up

[1:58:52] for that now? >> Um, yeah, I've got a couple more people

[1:58:54] for the small business basics. Yeah, I've got a couple more people. It's open

[1:58:58] until October 5th now, I believe, is when

[1:59:02] » How many people do you not have? >> I I have um

[1:59:06] No, I have three people signed up right now.

[1:59:09] » And how many do you need? >> I need 15 or they will cancel the class.

[1:59:13] So, >> how many did you say, Michelle?

[1:59:14] » 15. >> She Yeah, she has three.

[1:59:17] » And I have three. So, yeah. And the max is 25. [clears throat]

[1:59:22] » So, but that's open until October 5th. So gave that bottom one for people to

[1:59:27] sign up for that still. So and SDS was who did the energize

[1:59:32] conference. So they are a great group of people.

[1:59:35] So >> all right questions

[1:59:40] questions. >> Thanks for

[1:59:43] next on the agenda, finance officer. >> I have a question.

[1:59:48] » Yes. >> Uh did we bypass the public comment

[1:59:52] section of this? >> [clears throat]

[1:59:54] » We did not. >> No,

[1:59:56] » I didn't hear a call. They didn't call have it end. I never heard a call.

[2:00:01] » Lex actually got up and then sat back down.

[2:00:04] » But was that public comment? >> And he called say that any more public

[2:00:09] comment. >> I thought I thought of 16.

[2:00:14] » No, he sat down and went back to seven. >> Go ahead and let him speak.

[2:00:20] » He did. You can do it for discussion. Okay.

[2:00:32] » I think we should do public. >> Um,

[2:00:38] » we can do a public comment here. I know I I had called it a couple times, but

[2:00:42] uh, you get three minutes. I just have some procedure questions

[2:00:50] and I've talked to several council members about this and my biggest

[2:00:55] question is uh why did the city have a recount?

[2:01:01] » Because Mary asked for a recount. >> Okay. Uh what was the official posted

[2:01:08] count certified with the state?

[2:01:13] It has to be certified with the state vote.

[2:01:19] » This isn't an opportunity to ask questions of city attorney.

[2:01:22] » Okay, never mind that. >> Okay, you can make your comments.

[2:01:24] » Okay, this is Yeah, you guys can just think about it yourselves.

[2:01:27] » Make your comments. >> Okay, good. Okay. And then the other

[2:01:30] thing is our election. I've had comments that our election there was parts of it

[2:01:36] didn't count because it was a municipal election, which I don't understand

[2:01:40] because the city of Sou Falls had a recount on their mayoral election.

[2:01:45] It was recounted and reertified and all that. And I'd like to know if ours is

[2:01:49] the same as Sou Falls or if it's different.

[2:01:52] » So you guys can figure that out, just let me know because I've had people ask

[2:01:55] me, you know, kind of what went on and I said I'd call and find out. So now you

[2:02:00] guys got an idea of what you can think talk about and go from there. So there

[2:02:04] you go. >> Thank you for your comment.

[2:02:07] » Next [clears throat] on the agenda, finance officer report. Should [snorts]

[2:02:12] » um >> yeah,

[2:02:15] » I don't have a lot to report on. Um just been busy in the office with typical

[2:02:21] stuff. I have started putting my spreadsheet together for the

[2:02:27] budget. Um, those are due, the requests are due in on Tuesday the 8th. So then I

[2:02:33] will start putting those numbers in as well as just our normal expense in for

[2:02:40] the city. Um, [clears throat] I did receive an

[2:02:45] email. It's from the community forestry uh grant. We just received this um to

[2:02:52] put the trees in up at the park. This is something that gets offered every year.

[2:02:58] Um, last year there was an issue with it

[2:03:02] because we actually applied for that grant in 2024 but couldn't finish it

[2:03:06] until 2026 early year. So, but um typically it's done in one year. So, we

[2:03:15] have the opportunity to um apply for that grant. Again, it's

[2:03:20] 100% um

[2:03:24] matching. So, like our it was $5,000 for the grant at the park. The city

[2:03:32] puts 2500 in and that can be for inind it doesn't have to be um expenses or

[2:03:38] anything. And then the state will uh give us the 2500 as well. So, just

[2:03:46] wanted to bring that up in case anybody had any ideas where there could maybe be

[2:03:51] another opportunity for some more trees to be put any place. Um,

[2:03:55] » couldn't we do something at the golf course when

[2:03:58] » we have done in the past, but I felt like we did that two years in a row. Um,

[2:04:05] that maybe we just needed to let this be open to the public in case there was any

[2:04:10] concerns of any other place. Um it would have to be an organization that would

[2:04:16] and of course the golf course is city property. Um

[2:04:21] this wouldn't go for just a personal property owner, you know, type thing.

[2:04:24] » And so just want to make that clear. >> Um so just wanted to get it out there.

[2:04:30] The grant is not due until October 2nd, but they do suggest that we get it

[2:04:36] submitted by the middle of September or no later than the 20th because the guy

[2:04:42] that helps us with this, his name is Josh Larson. He reviews it for us and

[2:04:47] make sure that if there's any thing that we need to add or whatever so that it's

[2:04:52] a good finished product to submit. So, >> couldn't the city park use some more

[2:04:58] trees on that north side of the park? Wish Garrett was here that we could ask

[2:05:03] that >> there was trees.

[2:05:05] » Um, [clears throat]

[2:05:08] trees on the north side. >> I'm just wondering would this be able to

[2:05:15] take >> I I think I took some from the school

[2:05:18] one year. >> Yeah, we didn't take uh trees from the

[2:05:22] school. moved them >> move them to the east,

[2:05:24] » but that was a location thing. I'm pretty sure

[2:05:27] » that location. >> Yeah, they were.

[2:05:29] » I mean, possibly they would just >> they would have to somehow reimburse the

[2:05:35] city for any expenses. You know, it's always been on the city property that

[2:05:39] the trees have been done. >> Um, but

[2:05:43] like I said, the golf course before, but that's city property. So, so South

[2:05:48] Boulevard is all I suppose there's some dead there was some dead trees in South

[2:05:52] Boulevard. They may be removed. >> Yeah. If you'd like to have a

[2:05:56] conversation with Josh anytime, he says he will not work with us on South

[2:06:01] Boulevard. Okay. [laughter] >> It is not good soil. He said it's

[2:06:06] » it would take way more than $5,000 to get that soil up.

[2:06:12] » So, now we know. Yeah. Now we know. >> Use the same stuff. and my friend.

[2:06:16] » But I can ask Garrett on you said trees on the north side of park.

[2:06:21] » Well, it's just gravel road there. It's the north side of the park and it's

[2:06:26] looking pretty up there. >> And that's what I'm reaching out to you

[2:06:30] for is see if you had any suggestions and I'll visit with Garrett and

[2:06:33] » I'm sure there'll be several others. I mean,

[2:06:36] » yeah, might have. >> We put in

[2:06:40] seven trees. Is that right? Yeah, seven trees up there. So, I mean,

[2:06:45] » was that the ones that we got from the schoolhouse or were they

[2:06:48] » No, >> no. Um, these are

[2:06:52] the schoolhouse, weren't they? Kind of on the

[2:06:55] » the school ones are on the south end >> in a row.

[2:06:59] » Yeah. the school needed to get. They were either g they wanted to give them

[2:07:04] away or they were going to destroy them and I asked for and then we moved them

[2:07:10] and then this grant brought um where those ended.

[2:07:16] Grant or Garrett planted them to the south to the

[2:07:20] » north >> north of that and there is room to keep

[2:07:23] going north because the idea was to put a landscape burm along the park and

[2:07:32] Dakota Mill. So, that's what the game plan was. And Garrett's not here to

[2:07:37] speak to it, but that would be a great idea to keep going with what you've got.

[2:07:43] And he's got water there.

[2:07:48] He's taking really good care of them and they're I drove by them again the other

[2:07:52] day and they're all growing. They're alive.

[2:07:55] » Trevor's doing a great job. I'm watching his time. I'm not I mean, not that G

[2:07:59] wouldn't, but [laughter]

[2:08:05] I was wondering if somebody should actually check those trees and see if

[2:08:09] Garrett didn't put fake ones there. >> But the cost for the trees was like,

[2:08:16] can't remember the invoice, a little over $1,200.

[2:08:19] And the rest of it that we could submit was through inind um you know, by the

[2:08:24] time we figure our machinery cost, our work for labor cost and all that kind of

[2:08:31] thing. So, it's it's a pretty big deal >> because even by the bike path, I was

[2:08:35] thinking, you know, there's that one tree on the way south side

[2:08:40] where there's that >> property. Yeah. Not our property.

[2:08:44] » Even on >> Yeah.

[2:08:48] » the east side of the bike.

[2:08:52] » Well, I don't think so.

[2:08:58] But anyway, keeping just wanted to share with you that

[2:09:03] » had any other questions for me but other than these that was all I had report.

[2:09:07] » Any questions for Caroline? Hearing none

[2:09:13] mayor's report. I I don't have much either. Um there is going to be a

[2:09:19] meeting at Prairie Village. Uh there's actually going to be two meetings. next

[2:09:23] week, September 8th at 9:30 and September 10th at 2 uh 2:30. Um both are

[2:09:30] going to be at Prairie Village and they're going to uh be discussing with

[2:09:34] the residents what's going on at Prairie Village. Um

[2:09:40] um I did get a call this afternoon late that uh they do have a letter of intent

[2:09:46] to potentially uh sell Prairie Village to a an investor. So, if it's finalized,

[2:09:53] it really should be uh have minimal impact on the uh residents. There'll be

[2:09:58] some changes and things like that, but uh it really should have a very minimal

[2:10:02] impact and um

[2:10:06] I think it'll be good news for the residents at the Prairie Village. Been

[2:10:12] just doing some other meet and greet type things. um been trying to get a

[2:10:16] hold of all of our representatives out there just to kind of introduce myself

[2:10:20] and uh tell them, you know, we'd love to work with them. Still trying to get your

[2:10:24] boss, but I know you guys are probably pretty busy with the uh um

[2:10:31] the well the >> cyber attack.

[2:10:35] » The the cyber attack. Yes. So other than that, uh questions for me. Can you say

[2:10:43] local investor or I don't imagine you're allowed to say

[2:10:47] » I I'd rather have them say >> come September 8th

[2:10:52] » 9:30 local support we get

[2:10:55] » absolutely I think it'll be a good deal >> is it the same meeting just at two

[2:11:01] different times or same two different times yes sorry I should have said that

[2:11:06] » 9:30 and what time >> uh 2:30 on the 10th

[2:11:10] » so 9:30 on the 8th. >> Yes.

[2:11:12] » 2:30 on the 10th. >> Correct.

[2:11:17] » September 10th. >> Tuesday and Thursday.

[2:11:26] » And uh with no uh other questions. >> Okay. Go ahead.

[2:11:31] » Yep. I do want to follow up on few things from last meeting. I know G is

[2:11:35] not here and I understand he's he's out, but my question is anybody went and

[2:11:41] looked at this stop sign that's Mark was addressing last time and where we at

[2:11:45] this because I don't want this to become another rumble stream that we're going

[2:11:49] to remember four months later. Um and then the next one would be what do we

[2:11:55] need to do Caroline uh to change the processes how we do things uh just based

[2:12:01] on what Mark brought last time since he's

[2:12:05] how we do we need to have a owner authorization

[2:12:10] if they if they rented their property the rent is so we need to have some kind

[2:12:15] of process to notifying the owners this is their responsibility based on our

[2:12:20] ordinances And the next one would be another one

[2:12:24] was just today uh complaints uh instead of bringing it here right

[2:12:30] away sending letter. What do we need to do to change this process? I

[2:12:36] » mean initially shouldn't >> we need to just have a meeting just to

[2:12:40] talk about how we want to do it then bring it to the council and just make a

[2:12:44] motion on what do we need to do to change these processes.

[2:12:48] » Can I say on the complaint side? Yeah, >> the complaints would go to ter would

[2:12:54] tell them to get it and they would all come back and we'd hear two hours of

[2:12:58] whining and crying that the city people were picking on the other people because

[2:13:02] they didn't like them cuz their dog barked or their cat hitting their yard

[2:13:05] or it just so the best process was to come to councel

[2:13:11] » and I I understand that but at the same time we do have ordinances we have to

[2:13:16] follow and we ask residents to follow so it's not like we thinking our ordinance

[2:13:21] says you have to keep you have to mow your yard. Okay, if it's over so many

[2:13:27] » inches, you have to mow it. And then another thing is I don't know if they

[2:13:31] have it. Do we have an enforcement? Do we have a fee established fee? If you do

[2:13:36] not do that, you get a check or or bill from the city. The city going to come

[2:13:41] and promote it and you're going to get a check or big one. Sorry, not a check.

[2:13:46] But that's the thing is can we just have a process a better process because I'm

[2:13:52] telling you Jerry not everybody complains like this because last time

[2:13:55] when it was brought up it was few months ago couple months ago people did not

[2:13:59] like it and they're very good people and they took care of it but they wish

[2:14:04] somebody would tell them instead of going to the city council and then

[2:14:08] discussing it right here in front of everyone and everybody guessed exactly

[2:14:12] who you're talking about just because based on the property that part. I

[2:14:16] understand it would be nice if it could be maybe discussed in the executive

[2:14:20] session >> or or could we make just a call

[2:14:24] » executive session?

[2:14:28] No. >> Yeah. Could you make a committee of like

[2:14:31] two council? >> Maybe that's what would be best. That

[2:14:33] was a process at one time >> and then we

[2:14:36] » I can tell you the different processes in the 20 years that I've been here and

[2:14:40] they've not any of them worked. Nobody's ever been happy. and you say that, you

[2:14:45] know, we send a letter to that person. Well, maybe over here this person hasn't

[2:14:52] mowed their yard, but it didn't get looked at and didn't get caught. And so

[2:14:55] then that person saying, "Well, you sent me a letter, but that person over there,

[2:14:59] have you looked at their grass?" The public works did not no public they

[2:15:03] had committee uh council members that went around with the public works and

[2:15:07] then letters got sent out and then unless the council is different now and

[2:15:12] wants to continue to do that to try to get them all at the same time to be able

[2:15:17] to drive around and all that. It was a process and they said no we're not doing

[2:15:22] this anymore. I don't know about the driving around. I

[2:15:25] » that's how you're gonna find everybody complain to the office and write it and

[2:15:30] you can be upset as much as you want that they have there. But we received

[2:15:34] the complaint for you. We didn't receive complaint for them. So, but thanks for

[2:15:38] bringing up to our attention. >> You you have to operate I think

[2:15:44] practically you have to operate on a complaint basis only. You can't go

[2:15:48] proactively and police. uh you have to rely on your residents to make a a a

[2:15:54] nuisance complaint I think is what it is to say I think my neighbor is in

[2:15:58] violation of nuisance ordinance and um I think the way that you do it basically

[2:16:05] called on the council to make that determination first. Yeah, we agree this

[2:16:10] constitutes a nuisance and we're going to send out a letter first before we go

[2:16:13] enforce it and cut the grass and charge them for that sort of thing. Maybe there

[2:16:19] is a a better way to do that without airing or dirty laundry first. But um

[2:16:26] yeah, I I would just suggest that it remain complaintbased

[2:16:32] um other than saying that you're under going to undertake a duty to make sure

[2:16:35] that everyone's in compliance, >> right?

[2:16:37] » Yeah. But we would be nice to figure out how to do it in a lighter manner like

[2:16:45] Will suggested. Wasn't that a change in legislation? Did I not understand when

[2:16:49] you sent me an email that like agenda requests have to be said what the people

[2:16:54] are addressing? And am I not do I not have to do that with concern letters

[2:16:59] when I put them on the agenda? >> Um I think there is there is a change in

[2:17:03] the law as far as agenda. It needs to have spec specificity.

[2:17:07] » Okay. >> Um

[2:17:09] » because I was going to say maybe I misunderstood that. I can misunderstand

[2:17:12] things. So >> I think you're right. But do we even

[2:17:15] have to take a complaint to that level if we had say two council members that

[2:17:20] were got the complaint decided? Um

[2:17:24] » maybe the first thing is go talk to them in person.

[2:17:27] » Yep. I think that's what is the best thing and I think you know talk to

[2:17:32] » but we make it more formal. Hey, you know, two people on the consulate and

[2:17:35] then they can basically >> I think we had a situation last week,

[2:17:39] right, with preach that's been taken care of without anybody bringing the

[2:17:43] actual complaint, >> right?

[2:17:45] » With what? >> Refrigerator. Yeah.

[2:17:48] » But [clears throat] that wasn't at the council. That was on Facebook.

[2:17:51] » But at the same time, who made a call? >> Did you made a call, I believe? Right.

[2:17:56] » And they just made a call and guess what? Been taken care of. So,

[2:18:00] » yes, you you're going to have residents. is going to have problems.

[2:18:03] » That was a safety issue though. >> Refrigerators sitting out there for

[2:18:08] little kids to get locked into. >> That was a safety issue.

[2:18:12] » Mowing the grass is a safety issue too because of the snakes.

[2:18:16] [laughter]

[2:18:20] » I believe refrigerator is a little more concerned than to [laughter]

[2:18:25] » So, >> but I I don't want to put it on uh

[2:18:28] Carolyn or Darrett to do that. That's why I'm trying. Huh?

[2:18:32] » Yeah. We need we need to commit >> and it doesn't necessarily have it

[2:18:36] doesn't happen. >> So am I to understand because what I

[2:18:38] would do is write a resolution. So this is put into the paper that this is going

[2:18:44] to be the process. So everybody's aware that this is how it's going to happen.

[2:18:47] If you don't have >> what the process is.

[2:18:51] » What's that? >> What? Well, that's what I was asking.

[2:18:53] What the process? If you want to change something,

[2:18:55] » you can do it any way you want to, but I've always said I like to do

[2:18:59] resolutions because they get published. It's recorded in the minutes rather than

[2:19:03] just a motion. It's more detailed than just a motion typically is. Um, you

[2:19:09] could do policy, but policy doesn't ever get published anywhere. That's why my

[2:19:14] preference is a resolution, >> which is probably the right way to go.

[2:19:18] » And but if I'm going to write the resolution, I need to understand what

[2:19:22] you're actually saying. So are you saying you want to

[2:19:25] » and I think we need to discuss that. I'm not saying we need to just make right

[2:19:29] now but that's what I was referring to. We need to sit down and discuss with the

[2:19:33] best way to address it. >> So and maybe I don't know what the law

[2:19:37] or there is changed to make to take this into the

[2:19:43] » well onto the consideration or it's just agenda.

[2:19:46] » That's just the law agendas how agendas are described there.

[2:19:50] » Yeah. So, when you talk about enforcing, you know, I was well at the zoning

[2:19:56] planning commission. Somebody did ask about the sidewalk um out in front of

[2:20:02] the one business to the south of the Salty Steer and Bodega. They have stuff

[2:20:07] sitting on their sidewalk and wanted to know if our ordinance was just on this.

[2:20:15] » No, sidewalks everywhere, but I saw we changed it.

[2:20:19] » So, so what did we change it to? because there's they have metal stuff.

[2:20:23] » I remember it was brought up to the house table of mine for the to bring it

[2:20:27] back to see what the changes are and that's the last thing I remember.

[2:20:31] » Yeah. And that was before >> and I don't know I don't think it ever

[2:20:35] got it never came back. >> No, it never came back.

[2:20:38] » I don't think so. >> But again, who polices that?

[2:20:42] » You know, >> that's what we didn't want to do,

[2:20:44] » right? [laughter] Trying to get away from it,

[2:20:46] » you know? I mean, yeah, we we were already dealing with a situation where

[2:20:52] certain businesses were doing what they wanted no matter what. And then when it

[2:20:58] became an issue and was brought in front of us that they wanted to have

[2:21:02] conversation about, you know, making that, you know, something that they

[2:21:08] could do, which is very difficult to do when you're currently not following the

[2:21:13] rules and now you want to talk about us rewriting.

[2:21:18] » That was my >> I guess I don't know what you're talking

[2:21:20] about. I don't go there every day like this place several times. Never seen

[2:21:25] anything like this. And I I remember somebody brought it up, but I never seen

[2:21:31] this. >> Oh, I took pictures. I I want to buy

[2:21:33] them and they're too expensive. That's how I know there is something [laughter]

[2:21:36] out there. They're metal flower deals along with some other metal.

[2:21:42] » Yeah, >> this is the issue that needs to be

[2:21:45] discussed because truly if you look at our benches and flower pots, some of the

[2:21:49] spots pretty tight. We talking about some of the stuff that people trying to

[2:21:54] put I don't know next to the door or whatever. So

[2:22:00] if we talk about it, it has to be over. >> Yeah.

[2:22:03] » Yeah. Because this is a there is very tight spot.

[2:22:08] » Oh. Oh. >> Very tight. The bed sitting on there. So

[2:22:15] » are you talking about the one that I bought?

[2:22:18] » Oh, I don't know. by the uh discount store.

[2:22:23] » Yes, >> it's so cold.

[2:22:25] » And I did not want a pot, but I was told I had to put a pot in

[2:22:29] » talking about the pages. Just >> I didn't put them there.

[2:22:32] » It's very tiny over that topic. >> So, and then you asked about um

[2:22:42] the utilities for the landlord render authorization. So we never had the issue

[2:22:48] before to have to address it. But I would suggest a resolution for that as

[2:22:54] well. Um so that the people are I mean we can do only so much. We can't I guess

[2:23:00] we could hand deliver it to every renter in town and landlords. They knew

[2:23:03] » what they sign up. >> We can hand the resolution

[2:23:07] » one time. You probably could. This is how we do it. That's how we do it. You

[2:23:13] can have one time agreement with them and they know this. It doesn't matter

[2:23:17] how many renders they going to have. They know what they responsible

[2:23:23] » but how soon are they notified that they Yeah. Are they notified after 30 days or

[2:23:29] 60 days or >> this is something?

[2:23:32] » Yeah. And I would say as far as the um the complaint things, I think that's

[2:23:39] a pretty simple thing that we can all agree on. If there is an issue and

[2:23:45] somebody fills out a complaint and they present it to you, Carolyn,

[2:23:51] you then would tell Garrett, share the complaint with him. If he feels like

[2:23:55] it's in violation, a letter gets drafted and sent out right away.

[2:24:01] If it's not remedied within whatever time you guys want it to

[2:24:05] be, it will be on the agenda for discussion at the next council meeting

[2:24:10] » with the address on there. >> Well, we're going to discuss it. Yeah.

[2:24:14] » You know, and that, you know, it it's just I think that's very respectful. Um

[2:24:20] it, you know, it's going to involve Garrett making sure that there's a

[2:24:24] violation. um so that when we are faced with it, we can make a decision. Um then

[2:24:32] you kind of have clear direction. Does that sound reasonable to everybody? Um

[2:24:37] » so you're striking the committee thing. >> I I think it's I don't even know if

[2:24:41] committee would I don't think committee really needs to meet on it. I think it's

[2:24:45] pretty cutthroat. If you get the complaint,

[2:24:48] » you send Garrett to see if there's an actual violation because you're probably

[2:24:53] going to get some complaints that aren't. I'm still saying I want this in

[2:24:56] resolution. >> Absolutely. [laughter]

[2:25:03] » Resolution, but if Garrett wants a councilman to go with him, I'm sure he

[2:25:07] could get a hold of one of us. Absolutely glad to go with him, but he

[2:25:11] didn't want it all back. >> And and and that way that's done. then

[2:25:16] we don't have to have people meet um to um try to sort that out or you know um

[2:25:25] people showing up angry. I mean they they they got the letter. I mean it is

[2:25:30] frustrating that Garrett's got to go over and tell them yes you're in

[2:25:34] violation. Your grass is 3 and 1/2 ft tall as if you didn't know that on your

[2:25:38] own. But then we're not getting angry people because they've already been

[2:25:44] aware that it's been looked into. They are in violation and this is where it's

[2:25:49] going next. >> So, since we're talking about this, and

[2:25:53] I'm not going to name any locations, but I did get a complaint today. It was a

[2:25:59] parking issue. I mean, our ordinance addresses if a

[2:26:03] vehicle is parked in a certain spot for too long. Well, that's not on us. We

[2:26:09] don't patrol the streets to know if it's not moved or anything. So, there's going

[2:26:14] to have to be some time taken. And we point it out to law enforcement. Can you

[2:26:18] keep an eye on this vehicle to see if it gets moved or if it stays here? Is it

[2:26:23] parked too close to the curb to cause safety issues when people are trying to

[2:26:27] So, there's going to be some time that it's going to take to get this all

[2:26:31] figured out. And I explained that to the resident and started with some pictures

[2:26:37] today, but what they were complaining about

[2:26:42] wasn't parked there today, of course. [laughter]

[2:26:48] » Perfect. >> So, I mean, those kinds of things also

[2:26:51] come to our office and that's not really in violation of our ordinances. Those

[2:26:56] need to be addressed with law enforcement and all that kind of stuff.

[2:27:01] So, what's your suggestion for that? >> Law enforcement. That's why we pay him.

[2:27:06] [laughter] >> But he's shaking his head. But

[2:27:09] » and he you guys follow our ordinances as our community and that we should just

[2:27:15] let them do their job. I That's my request.

[2:27:18] » So, you go to Yeah. >> Well, and that's what I said I was going

[2:27:22] to do. Um, but today was a little busy getting ready for the meeting. So, no

[2:27:28] action has been taken yet. Tomorrow's going to be busy again with followup of

[2:27:31] the meeting. Monday's a holiday. It's going to be Tuesday before anything can

[2:27:36] probably get addressed. And I just want you guys to know things can't happen

[2:27:40] just right away. >> I mean, and it's not that we're ignoring

[2:27:43] it. It's just the way it is. >> Well, and you know, I mean, we should

[2:27:48] all keep in mind as well, there are certain situations or violations within

[2:27:53] our ordinances that you got to give people a little bit of time to deal

[2:27:57] with. So if they reach out to you and say,

[2:28:01] "Yes, this is where we're kind of at with things,"

[2:28:05] you can share that with us. It doesn't need to go on the agenda. We understand

[2:28:09] there are certain things that can't be remedied right away. I mean, that's

[2:28:12] common sense. So, I mean, it just keeping that communication open with us.

[2:28:19] That way, if the person comes in that signed the complaint and wants to fill

[2:28:23] out another one because it isn't done, you can explain to them, "We have been

[2:28:26] in contact with this individual and no need for another form. We are

[2:28:32] working through it." >> I actually told them they may be asked

[2:28:36] to come back. I wanted to investigate to see if it was any violations happening

[2:28:40] before I have them fill something out. Anyway, I mean, it's kind of new point

[2:28:45] if they're not in violation. So told them if it was in violation they would

[2:28:50] have to come back fill out the form silver.

[2:28:55] » We still on item 26. >> Yes.

[2:29:00] » 26 or 27. >> 26 items for discussion.

[2:29:05] » How did I get renumbered? >> Oh yeah. Something.

[2:29:10] » Well, I wanted to stay here all night. You know the cubs won. But we got we got

[2:29:15] to stay here in the party as long as we're discussing

[2:29:19] and stuff that we don't follow. >> So if we're on 26

[2:29:24] » we really we really >> shouldn't have taken any action.

[2:29:29] » I'm not take you're not making any money. You're just making suggestions.

[2:29:33] » Well I consider that action. So, >> I'm just making sure

[2:29:38] » if I'm telling you what I would like you to do, that's

[2:29:41] » he's taking action here. >> Not casting a vote or anything, but it

[2:29:46] » sounds to me as though there's going to be a resolution, but and you all can

[2:29:50] vote on it then. >> Vote on it.

[2:29:52] » All right. I just want to make sure. >> I don't think there's any action yet. I

[2:29:55] do have one question totally off from the subject, but um I know they did put

[2:30:01] in paperwork with DNR for like taking on furniture and stuff

[2:30:06] out the rebel site. Is there any progress on that or where is that at? Do

[2:30:12] you know? >> I don't know.

[2:30:14] » Okay. Um could talk with Garrett next time you talk with him and kind of see

[2:30:20] where it's at or >> I can try to remember.

[2:30:22] » Yeah. >> To do that. I'll send myself a reminder.

[2:30:26] » I would on that subject. I was still trying to get rid of TV and now I've

[2:30:32] been told that my address isn't a Rapid City address that I can't go to the

[2:30:37] Rapid City landfill. So, I'm confused. Maybe I'll just sneak

[2:30:42] it out to the >> Take it to the city.

[2:30:46] [laughter] >> I'd like Sorry, I didn't say that.

[2:30:49] » If we're still on 26. >> Yes. Everybody see in this community

[2:30:54] seems we need to be following ordinances and ordinances. We don't give up. We are

[2:30:58] following ordinances. Why the heck did we waste all the no camping signs out

[2:31:03] here in the parking lot when every morning there's campers out there

[2:31:06] parked? One time in July there was a lady out there camp for about a week.

[2:31:12] She'd actually unhook from her camper and go travel around all day and then

[2:31:18] come back her electric vehicle. then she would hook it up. I'm just wondering

[2:31:22] they they're always parked there and we have probably 10 signs says no overnight

[2:31:28] parking. No overnight parking and I'm just curious as why that always happens.

[2:31:33] I know it's been park camping all the way

[2:31:38] overnight parking though down in >> across from the one dorm down in behind

[2:31:45] that guy goes. >> Yes, that's all parking. That's all.

[2:31:49] That's >> that's private, right? So they can't

[2:31:51] park. >> It's just over here.

[2:31:53] » Yeah. Just parked up there. >> What's annoying about it is can't people

[2:31:59] read I mean they park pacing them signs and everything.

[2:32:02] » They don't see stop signs. How do you expect

[2:32:06] stop signs too? >> Well, that's probably more of a an issue

[2:32:10] and I don't know. >> It's an issue that we've dealt with.

[2:32:12] It's I've dealt with myself. Um, ultimately, like you said, if there was

[2:32:17] a lady that was there for like over a week, I would hope you would notice it,

[2:32:22] but also at the end of the day, if that was June or July was so busy that that

[2:32:26] parking lot, unless we got called there, that may not be our top priority. Um,

[2:32:31] but I've dealt with a lot of people asking me or I've come up to people be

[2:32:34] like, "Hey, kind of looks like you're setting up. Just so you know, can't

[2:32:38] overnight here." But I always direct them to that other one that has no

[2:32:41] signs. So, as far as I'm aware, they can. that's the one I've directed them

[2:32:45] to. Um, it hasn't been a crazy issue that I've seen, but plenty of people

[2:32:49] have come and asked me and I've tried to give as best guidance as I could.

[2:32:53] Ultimately, if it comes to a fact of you've noticed this parking violation

[2:32:58] and you've noticed it for days and doesn't seem to be addressed,

[2:33:02] um, same with possibly the one that Caroline was dealing with, a vehicle

[2:33:06] that maybe needs to be addressed. I think there's also a

[2:33:10] slight apprehension to people not calling law enforcement to get something

[2:33:15] addressed. I'm not saying you have to. If it's something you want to deal with

[2:33:19] from the city or personal or neighborly, however you want to deal with it, that's

[2:33:23] fine. But sometimes if you want something to get taken care of, it's not

[2:33:27] taken care of, just got to call. >> So what what do you call what number do

[2:33:31] you call? >> 911.

[2:33:34] » They will take a >> Yeah, that's our that's how you get to

[2:33:36] dispatch. That's the only way I know how to get

[2:33:38] » I call 3942151. >> You can call that as well. Consider the

[2:33:43] non-emergency line, but they all go to the same place.

[2:33:45] » Yep. >> The same people.

[2:33:47] » So, [clears throat] >> the the overnight camping, we we've

[2:33:51] dealt with this >> several years ago. And um

[2:33:58] now we only have one campground and you know after 10:00 their office is closed.

[2:34:04] » That is true. and and we said we didn't want, you know, at midnight somebody

[2:34:09] pulls in off the interstate and pulls in there and goes to sleep. We didn't want

[2:34:14] deputies going in there beating on their door and say, "You got to get up and

[2:34:17] move." That's not I mean, >> not thought we allotted. So, we really

[2:34:23] not pushed that issue. >> That makes sense.

[2:34:26] » That doesn't make good sense.

[2:34:31] » Anything else? It's not sunrise yet.

[2:34:36] Well, last chance. [laughter] Excellent. Jerry.

[2:34:42] » That's because I didn't watch. >> Uh, next city council meeting will be

[2:34:47] September 17th at 6:30. Item 28. We have a need for an executive

[2:34:54] session.

[2:34:58] » We take the motion that we go to the executive

[2:35:03] session. to discuss SPCL1-25-1.

[2:35:10] » I have a motion >> and I have a second.

[2:35:14] » Further discussion carries none. All in favor say I.

[2:35:18] » All opposed. >> Sorry.

[2:35:21] » All I hear from executive session.

[2:35:30] Uh >> I'm calling us out of executive session

[2:35:32] at 9:18. Is there any action following executive

[2:35:37] session? >> Yes. I would like to make a motion that

[2:35:41] the city of Wall hire Owen Bowski

[2:35:46] at $23.50 per hour in our public works department

[2:35:53] pending pre-employment screening. >> I have a motion.

[2:35:58] » Second. >> Um, you guys, Lily She's personnel

[2:36:04] around. >> Uh, I have a motion in a second. Any

[2:36:06] further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[2:36:10] » I. >> All oppose, same sign. Motion carries.

[2:36:15] » Second. Pretty. >> Um, it is now

[2:36:19] 9:19 and I'm gonna call this meeting to the jury.

[2:36:24] » Perfect. >> Thank you everyone.

September 3rd, 2026 City Council Meeting

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