[3:25] All right. Should we start? All right. We'll call the meeting to

[3:30] order at 6 o'clock. First item on the agenda is roll call.

[3:37] » All right. Jack Heinman, Kristen Rungi

[3:41] » here. Al Dasso >> here.

[3:44] » David Kennedy, Todd McCullik

[3:47] » here. Abby Zelner, Katherine Burke here.

[3:53] » All right. Next item on the agenda is approved minutes from the December 10th,

[3:57] 2025 Community Development Authority meeting. Do we have any corrections or

[4:01] deletions from the minutes? Seeing none, do we have a motion to

[4:06] approve? >> I'll make the motion.

[4:08] » I'll second. >> All those in favor?

[4:11] » I >> opposed. Abstensions.

[4:15] Motion carries. All right. Next item on the agenda is public comment. We do not

[4:19] have anyone in the audience, but do we have anyone online who would like to

[4:22] make a public comment? If you're online and would like to make a comment, please

[4:25] raise your hand and we'll move you into the meeting.

[4:30] All right, we're a lonely bunch today. All right, so we'll move past public

[4:34] comment to item number one under business items, monthly review and

[4:38] scoring of Wanke Housing Betterment Fund Applications. And for this one, I

[4:42] believe we are putting our microphones on mute.

[4:46] Are we pausing the meeting? Okay. >> All right.

[4:52] » Okay. Great.

[5:00] All right. And we're next uh now ready for the next item on the agenda, which

[5:04] which is an update on the housing not the housing betterment fund, the um

[5:09] community loan trust. >> Yeah. So um couple updates. So the the

[5:15] main thing is that Kylie and I met with Mason, right?

[5:20] » Yes. >> Madison Area Land Trust. He's the new

[5:24] executive director over there. Had a really good conversation with him. He's

[5:28] very excited about partnering with us. And I think one of the big things, one

[5:33] of my big takeaways from that discussion is we've been spending a lot of time

[5:37] thinking about well, how do we set up a program? How do we create, you know,

[5:43] create this partnership with MACT? How do, you know, like we we've been

[5:47] spending a lot of time and effort on like the foundational documents for

[5:51] that. And what Mason started talking about is let's just start talking about

[5:55] a project we can work on together. And he had a lot of ideas. He's have a lot

[6:00] of development experience. Um the one thing that Kai

[6:04] » does, >> he does. Yeah. So, he's from the Seattle

[6:07] area and did a lot of development uh there. Is very familiar with funding

[6:11] programs and um getting projects off the ground. And he's said he would be very

[6:16] happy to if we had a project in mind, he could do some calculations and kind of

[6:21] figure out how we might um you know, put our dollars in and and kind of figure

[6:26] out what the capital stack might look like. Um, the one thing I did ask that I

[6:31] know that the committee is really interested in is are there any

[6:35] flexibility with income requirements because that's something we've had a lot

[6:38] of discussion about want to key is is is its own unique community different from

[6:42] the Madison area and he said that he's definitely willing to have that

[6:46] conversation. I think he he would like to talk as we go along with thinking

[6:54] through a development. I and I I I like that context. I think because I don't

[6:59] know if I think we're getting stuck with income because we also don't have like

[7:03] an actual development to kind of work through and figure out what we want to

[7:08] look like. Um so I did invite him to come to our next meeting so that we can

[7:12] kind of talk about this further and maybe brainstorm on kind of next steps

[7:17] with him. I know there's um you know we're still kind of figuring out what

[7:21] that first project might be. Um, and I think, uh, you know, there's there's a

[7:27] few different things that, you know, Kylie and I have been involved in over

[7:30] the past couple months that seem like could be potential candidates. Um, but I

[7:35] think more discussion is needed on those, but I'd like to have this group

[7:40] talk with MACT and kind of hash out what that partnership will look like. and and

[7:46] um he's even willing if we wanted to brainstorm a development somewhere, he's

[7:51] willing to do that, too. So, I'm I'm really excited. I think this might be

[7:57] the way to go is to just start talking about a development partnership with

[8:00] MACT if we can get something going. So is so

[8:05] the way I take what you said is like we're concerned with some of the

[8:09] nitty-gritty detail, but that might be chasing the 20% instead of the 80% which

[8:14] is get a development project that's real and we can actually work on and then see

[8:18] about the details if if that's even a concern,

[8:22] » right? Yeah. I mean, he's like it's really hard to create a new CLT and

[8:28] we're here and we're willing to partner with you. if you have a project, let's

[8:31] come to the table together and make it happen. And I think that's a good

[8:35] approach. >> Probably very sound advice.

[8:37] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great idea.

[8:42] » So, if we bring him to our next meeting, just in order to make conversation a

[8:45] little bit easier, do you think we could get the boardroom over at the library?

[8:50] » Yeah. It's just such a weird space to sit in if you're going to do

[8:53] brainstorming and conversation and >> Yeah, absolutely.

[8:56] » Cool. All right. Yeah, I'll ask him.

[9:01] Do we have questions for him that we want him to come prepared for or

[9:06] just kind of an open conversation? >> I think it's an open conversation with

[9:10] him. >> I would like to know though what your

[9:14] thoughts are. You said you have a couple thoughts as to and maybe not tonight is

[9:18] the appropriate time, >> but what your thoughts are when it comes

[9:22] to what uh what land trusts we may

[9:28] uh do or work with or development we may have in mind.

[9:33] Uh there's a lot of folks who I think are willing to give. They just need to

[9:38] know how they got to give. >> Yeah.

[9:40] » And getting the right people in front of those folks is going to be important.

[9:45] Yeah. Yeah. I think there's um there's a few

[9:51] opportunities that have come across my desk that are not necessarily ready to

[9:54] be spoken about public, but as they continue to develop, I would love to get

[10:00] this group and MACT involved in looking at those. And I know Al at the last

[10:05] meeting you brought up the Legion. I'm not sure what how far along they are in

[10:10] their plans, but um I guess how was your discussion with them on

[10:16] their plans? >> Yeah. And and [clears throat]

[10:21] they they have a couple of options, three options actually. Um which I think

[10:26] they've talked to you about one of those options. Another option is do nothing.

[10:31] Another option is to do a CLT or a pro a pro property of the CLT.

[10:39] Uh I was not there to present anything necessarily. I was there to listen to

[10:44] see if how much enthusiasm there was for um Alexander company that was presenting

[10:53] as to whether or not um that was something they wanted to do. It's a

[10:58] tough group. They're they're tough to move and and um but the angle that we

[11:04] can and there are some things they can do with with their mission and that is

[11:09] veterans. I think we can probably do more with that. But I wasn't prepared to

[11:15] present [clears throat] to them anything because I didn't think it was my

[11:18] position other than just to listen to what they were was being discussed. Um

[11:23] but that would be one that if we have a program

[11:28] uh we can hit them hard and and see if we can work something out. The challenge

[11:33] there is they're part hospitality which they want

[11:38] to keep and um part multifamily in some form or another which uh they would like

[11:45] to develop. So uh what that multif family is don't

[11:50] know and will that multif family live and coexist with with their hospitality

[11:56] aspect that would be some of the challenges that were discussed but you

[12:00] know again if we have something that we can hit them hard I think we can get

[12:04] them to motivate I think we got some good connections to that group of people

[12:09] [snorts] um but understand it's going to be there are some stubborn people on

[12:12] that board so um and and they like everybody else though, you know, I heard

[12:18] it a couple times while I was there is uh they're aging out

[12:24] and there is no next generation of veterans signing on to join the their

[12:29] post. So, um they got to find the hook to bring in these veterans to join and

[12:36] and participate. So, again, that's where uh you know, perhaps a CLT can help with

[12:42] that.

[12:46] Oh, that was it. >> So, did this

[12:49] » new new director, I forgot his name, um >> Nathan.

[12:52] » Nathan. >> Nathan. Um

[12:56] would he share ideas and stuff like that? I mean,

[13:00] did he give you any any ideas for projects or where to begin um our

[13:05] journey? >> Um we didn't get too far into the

[13:09] brainstorming in our discussion. I mean, he was

[13:13] saying towards the end, if you have a piece of land you want me to look at and

[13:17] brainstorm, I'm happy to do that. The problem is we don't necessarily have a

[13:20] piece of land identified yet. So, um, I think he's definitely willing to

[13:27] brainstorm with us. Um, and maybe we could talk about, you know, Wanuki

[13:31] specifically and some of our challenges and maybe he can help us think through

[13:35] that. curious if he um has experience working with developers and knows

[13:42] the best lines or whatever selling points to talk a developer into,

[13:49] you know, giving or giving at a lower value um some of the property within a

[13:56] development that they're working on. >> Yeah. I I don't know how much experience

[14:01] he has in that realm. I know his previous job was really development

[14:05] focused and doing affordable housing projects. Okay.

[14:07] » So, he's got definitely um a level of skill and knowledge in that realm. I'm

[14:14] not sure how much work he's done on the like gifting aspect, but um can

[14:19] certainly ask about it. >> Other questions? David, do you have any

[14:25] questions?

[14:28] Excuse

[14:36] me. No, I'm you know I'm so much in the dark on this program. I I that's why I

[14:42] think I agree with the concept of having you come out and really talk us through

[14:47] the ups and downs of this program because I I just it's just

[14:54] unknown to me. >> Okay. Okay. That's good advice from

[14:59] Katherine. >> Hey,

[15:06] still learning about it. I think it's a good discussion and starting with a

[15:10] project. >> Yeah.

[15:12] » Excellent. Excellent. you know, at a at a very core level, why don't we just go

[15:18] and buy a couple lots in a couple of subdivisions and work with those lots,

[15:23] whether it's in the Vidian subdivision or whether it's in Don Tierney

[15:26] subdivision, you know, and whether the developer gives us a discount or not,

[15:32] um, that's not necessary. It would be great, fantastic.

[15:36] Uh, but, uh, go out and buy a couple lots and and build put up a couple

[15:40] houses and see what happens. get our feet wet.

[15:44] » Um, >> I it's definitely something we should

[15:46] talk about, too. You know, we also have the new Heyday development going in. So,

[15:50] we do have some places where we could, you know, have, you know, a house that

[15:55] would be sized and built to be affordable to people.

[16:01] So, >> yeah, the other aspect that I look at is

[16:05] the close closeness to working. you know, whether it's a teacher or

[16:11] whether it's a a bartender, you know, is it within walking or biking distance of

[16:16] that location as opposed to putting it way out in the middle of nowhere with a

[16:22] bunch of expensive homes. Um I think it's important for you know the if from

[16:27] my perspective to have work and uh home relatively close

[16:34] ideally and I think that's a sell for the

[16:40] business park that if if we could put some together

[16:43] um and start offering their employees a chance to buy a home

[16:49] » um maybe we get them to kick in some cash as well to this process.

[16:54] So, it's there's a lot to do. It's just a matter of which direction we want to

[16:58] head. >> Yeah. And I'll add I did, you know, we

[17:01] talked to him about, you know, different income qualifications and he seemed open

[17:06] to having that discussion. Um, the thing we didn't talk about that I know we as a

[17:10] group have talked about is a prioritization of people who already

[17:15] work in Wanuki. Um, so that might be something we bring up at the next

[17:20] meeting to see if that that could be if if we're still interested in that. Um,

[17:24] might want to have that conversation as well with him next time.

[17:28] » Yeah, I think we're still interested in that to the extent it's allowable.

[17:32] » Right. Yeah, that's the question. And also making

[17:36] sure that if there are people who need homes that are not working, you know,

[17:40] that are retired or or, you know, have a a condition that prevents them from

[17:45] being fully employed. Yep. >> Yeah.

[17:48] » And I know the other thing that he did, the only other really specific thing I

[17:51] do remember him letting us know was that those those dollars that they were given

[17:56] are targeted at a very specific >> okay

[17:59] » non-negotiable income level. >> Um, which was significantly lower than

[18:04] probably what we're going to see people here using here having here.

[18:08] » Um, so those specific dollars may not be able to be used towards projects here.

[18:13] Again, that's something that when we know what our guidelines are would come

[18:18] in, but they did have a very specific tie to what they could be used for.

[18:23] » Okay, that's good to know.

[18:27] Other questions or comments? No.

[18:33] It's been a good meeting, you guys. >> Yeah. All right. Do we have any other

[18:39] motions? I'll make the motion that we uh end the

[18:43] meeting for the night. >> We have a second.

[18:47] » I'll second. >> Any discussion on the motion? Seeing

[18:50] none, all in favor? >> I

[18:53] » opposed. Motion carries. Thanks, David. Send us good weather, please. [laughter]

[19:00] » One day. >> I'll bring it back with me.

[19:03] » Thank you. >> We will appreciate it greatly. We have

[19:07] it. >> See

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