[0:19] Everybody, we are gonna get started with, what

[0:23] I know everyone is here for, and that

[0:25] is our public hearing to, amend our vehicle

[0:28] and traffic code to make some additional parking

[0:30] restrictions. Mister Alms? Thank you. This order was

[0:37] duly advertised in the daily local news on

[0:39] 02/10/2020 and filed in the Chester County Law

[0:43] Library. It is amending the code of the

[0:45] borough of West Chester, specifically chapter one zero

[0:47] four, section one zero four dash 32 titled

[0:50] vehicles and traffic to add parking restrictions on

[0:53] certain days and times on Market Street and

[0:55] Poplar Street for street sweeping and street maintenance.

[0:58] Chapter 104, section 104 dash 45 titled special

[1:03] purpose parking zones established, parking otherwise prohibited to

[1:07] remove two separate parking spaces for handicapped persons

[1:10] and chapter 104, section 104 dash 34.1 titled

[1:14] electric vehicle charging station. And the first one

[1:18] in section 104 dash 32 is to add

[1:21] restrictions to Market Street on the South Side,

[1:24] Thursdays 8AM to 11AM from Bradford Avenue to

[1:29] Wayne Street. The second one is section 104

[1:32] dash 32 to add restrictions to Market Street

[1:35] on the North Side, Mondays, 8AM to 11AM

[1:38] from Potter Alley to Everhart Street. The last

[1:42] of those section 104 dash 30 twos is

[1:44] to add restrictions to Poplar Street on the

[1:47] West Side on Thursdays 8AM to 11AM from

[1:51] Market Street to Bernard Street. And then in

[1:53] section 104 dash 45, to remove one handicap

[1:58] designated parking space at 118 West Bernard Street

[2:02] and remove one handicap designated parking space at

[2:05] 404 North Darlington Street. And in section 104

[2:09] dash 34.1, the parking of motor vehicles in

[2:13] any parking spot that is designated by the

[2:16] borough as an electric vehicle charging spot shall

[2:19] be limited to motor vehicles that are connected

[2:22] to the charging equipment. Once the motor vehicle

[2:25] is charged, the motor vehicle shall not remain

[2:27] parked in such designated spot. Thank you. Thank

[2:31] you. Any comments or questions from counsel? Any

[2:36] comments from the public? Can I have a

[2:39] motion? I make a motion to accept the

[2:42] amendment to chapter 104 vehicles and traffic as

[2:45] read. Second. Motion by Mr. Flynn, second by

[2:49] Mr. Bracelin. Can you call the question please?

[2:51] Yes. Yes. Yes. Mr. Aye. Yes, the motion

[3:00] passes seven zero. And that concludes our public

[3:03] hearing. And now we can move on to

[3:05] the fun stuff. I will now call our

[3:08] February to order, and ask that Mr. Stefano

[3:13] lead us in the pledge of allegiance. I

[3:19] pledge allegiance to the flag of The United

[3:22] States Of America and to the republic for

[3:24] which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,

[3:29] with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

[3:37] Do we have any comments, suggestions, or petitions

[3:40] by residents in attendance regarding items not on

[3:42] the agenda? Thank you. There was an ordinance

[3:49] last meeting where it was about allocating $2,000

[3:53] for a celebratory 2024, like, two hundred twenty

[3:58] fifth anniversary, but it's not on the agenda

[4:00] today. Was is there any reason for that?

[4:03] Yeah. So the approval yesterday wasn't actually to

[4:06] allocate the $2,000. That was a request for

[4:10] the future. What we approved yesterday was to

[4:13] establish a committee to prepare for the borough's

[4:16] February. The committee, when it's actually formed, asked

[4:22] for $2,000 Presumably, that would have to be

[4:25] back in front of counsel. Any other comments

[4:29] or questions? Alrighty. Seeing none, we'll move on

[4:33] to comments by Borough Council and the mayor,

[4:35] and we will start with Mr. Elliman. Good

[4:37] evening. Thanks for coming out. It's so wonderful

[4:40] to see Borough Hall so full tonight, and

[4:43] it's really a great occasion why we're here.

[4:45] And I wanted to take a quick moment

[4:47] just to thank Chief Bond for thirty four

[4:49] years of amazing service. I wish our times

[4:53] could have overlapped, But I'll cherish this night

[4:56] that we have. So, thanks again. Really, really

[5:00] appreciate I just wanted to say that I've

[5:03] learned a lot in my first month on

[5:04] council, and have already heard a ton of

[5:06] fantastic ideas, and I'm really excited to work

[5:09] with all of you moving forward to try

[5:12] to make those happen. Thank you. Mr. Spano.

[5:15] Yes. I wanted to announce that I had

[5:18] joined a meeting. It was a off campus

[5:22] community services, the RAN ambassadors paraprofessionals with the

[5:25] university. They had a training in January before

[5:28] the students came back in session. And I

[5:30] was really thankful that one of the grad

[5:32] students, Molly Scolo, reached out to me. She

[5:35] had come to a meeting I think last

[5:37] month or two months ago. And with the

[5:39] intent of just opening conversation with me in

[5:41] the Southeast section of the borough about the

[5:45] concerns with student behavior and just opening a

[5:48] conversation. Was very grateful that she did that.

[5:50] And I attended the meeting and met with

[5:52] everybody and it was a very good start

[5:55] to increasing the communication between the residents, me,

[6:00] and the university, and more importantly with the

[6:02] students themselves. All the people there, there were

[6:05] some staff members there, most of them were

[6:07] students. They led the conversation. And one of

[6:10] the most refreshing things that was said was

[6:12] I made a comment when I first started

[6:14] talking that I know you're not the problem,

[6:16] you're all the good kids here. And they

[6:18] stopped me and they said, we don't like

[6:20] that you said that. We represent every student

[6:22] and we wish to hit this problem head

[6:24] on. It was very refreshing for me and

[6:27] I hope to increase the communication with them

[6:30] going forward. I've been emailing with Molly and

[6:33] with Sandy Jones and the off campus community

[6:34] services And it's just been a good start.

[6:38] And I think it will be starting. I'm

[6:39] going to invite them to a public safety

[6:41] committee meeting soon, just so everybody can see

[6:44] the face to those names and continue that

[6:47] conversation. Other than that, I just want to

[6:49] congratulations to the chief. I've worked with you

[6:52] the last couple of years and I think

[6:54] you're the person I've talked to on the

[6:56] phone and through email more in the borough

[6:58] than anybody else. We've had many phone conversations

[7:01] and you're very transparent, you're very honest and

[7:05] truthful and you don't ever shy away from

[7:08] dealing with anything. And I think the reputation

[7:11] of our police force has a lot to

[7:13] do with you And it's a great reputation

[7:16] and I really thank you for your service

[7:17] and you'll be missed. Thanks. Mike. Mr. Flynn.

[7:22] Thank you very much. For all those who

[7:25] don't know, it's Chief Bond's fault that I

[7:27] moved into the borough twenty one years ago.

[7:29] Twenty years ago. I called him and said,

[7:34] but is Westchester safe? And he still remembered

[7:37] that because I said I was not going

[7:39] to move into the borough if it was

[7:40] not safe. And he says, I live here,

[7:43] it's safe. So what I did, sold my

[7:46] house to Chester Heights and moved to the

[7:48] borough and look where I sit today. My

[7:50] mother will be proud. Good luck in your

[7:53] new venture. The second thing is a major

[7:58] announcement the past pastor of Saint Agnes Church

[8:02] Nelson Perez, the first Latino archbishop of Philadelphia.

[8:08] We're very proud that that he's gonna be

[8:10] leading over 1,000,000 Catholics in the city of

[8:13] Philip in the five county area. Came from

[8:16] our humble parish right here at Saint Agnes.

[8:20] And, we're very, very proud of that. So

[8:22] we have a lot to be, thankful for

[8:24] in Westchester for another first. Thank you. I

[8:31] only want to say also thank you to

[8:32] chief, for his service and for the leadership

[8:36] that has made our police force a model

[8:39] for many others throughout, not only at the

[8:41] county, but throughout the state. And I'm sure

[8:45] we're all looking forward to new leadership as

[8:48] well and the new directions that it might

[8:50] take us. Thank you. Mr. Breezell. I too

[8:56] want to thank the Chief. Scott's been a

[9:00] phenomenal resource. I've learned a great deal from

[9:02] him. He was always accessible, always had better

[9:07] ideas than I did, of course that's why

[9:08] he was chief. And it was just, in

[9:11] my six plus years, it's just been a

[9:14] thorough pleasure to have known you and to

[9:17] have worked with you. And as I said

[9:19] last time, I'll miss having you around, I

[9:21] really will. So congratulations, I'm glad you're going

[9:24] on to where you're going, and thank you.

[9:31] So, is it a twenty year tenure? Well,

[9:38] I want to tell you I really want

[9:41] to express my gratitude. Excuse me. The twenty

[9:44] years, you've never arrested me. I think that's

[9:48] important we're dead on the record. And for

[9:52] some of my friends, you know, and it's

[9:56] fun to sit next to you to banquets.

[9:58] Although, it's hard to steal the silverware. Sit

[10:06] Excuse me. Geriatric management and science tells us

[10:13] that between 65 and 75 were categorized as

[10:21] young old. And between 75 and 85, you're

[10:25] a middle old. And then at 85 And

[10:29] beyond, you're old old. Beyond that, you're dead.

[10:33] So, mister Flynn and my colleague, mister Grace

[10:42] Flynn, we're all we're young. Anybody thought we

[10:47] were older than young, I'm gonna disinclusion with

[10:52] that idea. We're called the great squad. And

[11:00] now by the time this council meets again

[11:02] in full, I'm gonna be a little old.

[11:07] I'm very sad, but that's what I got.

[11:11] Sounds like an early happy birthday is in

[11:13] order. I'm actually not going to say anything,

[11:24] because this is the Chief's night, and my

[11:27] comments will be coming in a few minutes

[11:29] when we get to the agenda item number

[11:31] six. So thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I'll

[11:35] echo everyone else's sentiments and thank you for

[11:37] your service. When I joined council in 2015,

[11:42] we sat down together and I think our

[11:43] meeting lasted about an hour and a half

[11:45] longer than I had planned, which probably won't

[11:48] surprise anyone in this room. And I told

[11:53] you a story then that I'll relay as

[11:55] briefly as possible because we have so many

[11:57] of our fine officers here. And that was

[11:59] an incident I had witnessed a few years

[12:02] prior on South New Street of a party

[12:05] that was being broken up. And in this

[12:09] party that was being broken up, there were

[12:12] probably about 80 young kids out in the

[12:16] street congregating, and there was clearly some animosity

[12:20] that they felt towards the police. And one

[12:22] of the kids went up to one of

[12:26] the officers and was pointing at him and

[12:28] and touched him. And while all of his

[12:30] friends were yelling at the kid, don't be

[12:32] the next Ferguson. Don't be the next Ferguson.

[12:34] And I'm sitting here thinking I did whatever

[12:38] respecting person would do, and I went to

[12:39] my Third Floor and was watching this from

[12:41] the window. And I'm thinking, oh my god,

[12:45] I'm about to witness something awful. And the

[12:48] officer very calmly pushed the young man away,

[12:53] shined his flashlight at him, said, let me

[12:54] see your ID. They said to his friends,

[12:58] get this guy out of here. No joke.

[13:01] Within two minutes, everybody had left. This kid's

[13:05] friends were coming back and shaking hands with

[13:08] the officers and thanking the officers for their

[13:12] incredible patience in handling this situation. And I

[13:15] told the chief then that I couldn't have

[13:18] been more proud of how our police force

[13:19] handled that situation. And I think that's a

[13:22] testament to your leadership over the last twenty

[13:25] years and your service over the last thirty

[13:27] four. So thank you very much. And with

[13:29] that, we will move on to miss Segler

[13:34] Stahl has the the privilege of being interviewed

[13:37] for a position in front of a packed

[13:39] house. This is where you want me? Okay.

[13:48] Hi. I'll note that you are applying for

[13:51] a spot on the historical commission. Yeah. There

[13:54] are two open positions and we had another

[13:56] applicant last So with those odds, I'll do

[13:59] my best to keep it brief. Okay. If

[14:02] you could just tell us a little bit

[14:03] about yourself, and why you're interested in joining

[14:05] the historical Well, I'm from Germany originally, and

[14:09] so I grew up among a lot of

[14:11] historic buildings, and the appreciation of historic buildings,

[14:14] and the history is very important in Germany.

[14:19] And then I moved to Westchester about twenty

[14:21] years ago, lived just near South Campus. And

[14:24] two and a half years ago, we moved

[14:26] into the borough, into a historic building, into

[14:28] the Butler House on Minor Street. I don't

[14:31] know where you know where that is. It's

[14:33] towards Eberhard Park. And since then, we've become

[14:36] really invested in in this building. Maintaining the

[14:39] building is a bit more expensive than we

[14:42] thought it would be. Researching the history of

[14:45] the people who lived in the building. So

[14:49] I've always had an interest in archaeology. I've

[14:52] been I've taken many classes at the university

[14:54] here in archaeology. I've been to digs, local

[14:58] digs with the archaeology department. So it just

[15:04] fits in. Then we recently joined the tree

[15:07] tenders. So we will be in charge of

[15:10] a stretch of New Street, to kind of

[15:12] keep an eye out. You know, watch the

[15:14] trees, sure they're okay, and make a note

[15:18] if something's not going right. And so this

[15:21] whole area is Westchester's a gem. So that's

[15:27] really. We have any questions? Well, we appreciate

[15:33] your willingness to serve. You'll see a couple

[15:35] items down we have on the agenda, the

[15:38] appointment. So if you wanna stick around Okay.

[15:42] Feel free. If not, it could be a

[15:44] while before we get there. We won't be

[15:46] offended if you leave. That's okay. Thank you

[15:48] very much for your Next on the docket

[15:54] here, we have the recognition of Chief Scott

[15:56] Bond for thirty four years of dedicated service

[15:59] to the Westchester Borough Police Department and surrounding

[16:01] community. And I will turn the microphone over

[16:04] to the mayor. Okay. So, thank you everyone

[16:07] for being here. You know, once again, we're

[16:11] here to honor our chief for twenty years,

[16:13] two decades of service as chief and thirty

[16:15] four years serving the department. And I know

[16:21] we have several people who want to provide

[16:24] citations, so we're going to start with that.

[16:27] And I'd like to first start with Steve

[16:30] Grabicki, who's Senator Denimon's Chief of Staff. Oh,

[16:36] sure. Always loves to do the furniture. All

[16:42] right. The microphone's on. Oh, it's brilliant. How

[16:47] you doing? So, we should I I started

[16:52] thinking about this. Senator Denimon, yeah, he sends

[16:55] his regrets for for not being able to

[16:57] be here this evening. But whenever he can't

[16:59] go somewhere, I I have the pleasure of

[17:01] of of covering for him and and it

[17:03] is a pleasure. And the first time we

[17:05] had an interaction with Chief Bond was going

[17:07] back 02/2007, and it involved an alcohol issue

[17:12] in the borough. And I think the big

[17:15] part of that conversation, the thing I remember

[17:17] most of all, is the willingness to be

[17:19] a collaborator and to work with the office

[17:22] and try and find, not only collaborate, but

[17:25] find innovative ways and also being receptive to

[17:28] different ways of trying to work through some

[17:30] issues at the time. The second incident that

[17:33] comes to mind as I'm thinking about this

[17:34] was a rally Senator Dinaman decided to have

[17:37] in the borough in 02/2011 after, governor Corbett

[17:41] threw some education budget. And about 700 plus

[17:45] people showed up at, borough right at the

[17:47] outside the courthouse. And, of course, we we

[17:50] didn't give any notice to the Westchester Police

[17:52] Department or anybody else that Senator Dinner was

[17:54] doing this, but we found out organically that

[17:56] this started to happen and responded to to

[18:00] things went off, things went smoothly and handled

[18:03] it really well. And I had a personal

[18:06] incident the office where had somebody saw some

[18:11] people on the roof, you were in the

[18:13] corner of Church And Market Street, And somebody

[18:15] saw maybe 20 people up on our roof

[18:18] and we're getting these calls, getting these voicemails

[18:20] saying, hey, somebody's having a party on your

[18:21] roof. So I there's on the Third Floor,

[18:24] there's a hatch. So I climb up there

[18:27] and what had happened was they put all

[18:29] their empties on the top of this hatch.

[18:31] So I open it up and all these

[18:34] beer bottles start tumbling down and everyone down

[18:36] below they just they're falling off the roof.

[18:39] Okay? And hitting the awning. If you go

[18:40] to the corner church and market, it has

[18:42] that awning there. Bouncing off of that, smashing

[18:44] on the street, of course Westchester PD shows

[18:47] up and says, hey, what's going on? After

[18:50] a short explanation, I was able to we

[18:52] were able to work through that and it

[18:55] was our neighbors. They could actually, from their

[18:57] deck, this is a Zukin property, they're able

[18:59] to climb onto a roof and they had

[19:01] a nice view of Westchester. And we've had

[19:04] other incidents with or that have happened in

[19:06] the office, not a few and far between,

[19:08] but always your team always responded and responded

[19:13] professionally and had them equated themselves exceptionally. So,

[19:19] a strong leader. Strong leader isn't always there

[19:23] and you can't always be there involved with

[19:26] everything. But when you how your team responds,

[19:29] that's absolutely a reflection. So I'm senator Dinerman

[19:32] from the senate of Pennsylvania. There's a citation

[19:35] that, the senator asked me to present. It's

[19:39] in part of the senate record, and thank

[19:41] you for your service. Thank you, and it's

[19:43] all senators. So, Chief, I know you've been

[19:54] in your car all day, so you won't

[19:56] mind standing there for a while. Next, I

[20:00] believe we have Ethan Schaefer, who's representing representative

[20:04] Carolyn Komita. Yes, I'm here. My name is

[20:07] Ethan Schaefer. I'm here on behalf of, Carolyn

[20:09] Komita and actually, state representative Stappi, also did

[20:14] sign this, citation as well. First of all,

[20:18] I would just like to say thank you,

[20:19] Khafif Vaughan, for all the service to this

[20:21] great community. I I, moved to Westchester, for

[20:25] college, and I've loved it ever since, and

[20:27] I haven't left. So Carolyn did actually prepare

[20:30] a a short statement that she asked me

[20:32] to read, so I'll read that. Congratulations, chief

[20:36] Bond, and thank you for serving and protecting

[20:38] the people of Westchester for thirty four years.

[20:41] You've overseen a tremendous transition in the borough,

[20:44] and, we are better today because of your

[20:46] leadership. It was an honor to serve as

[20:49] chair of the Public Safety Committee and as

[20:51] mayor working alongside you for almost twelve years.

[20:54] I've learned so much from you over those

[20:56] years, and I'm a better pro public servant

[20:58] today, because of it. I look forward to

[21:01] working with you in Harrisburg in your new

[21:03] role role as executive director of the Police

[21:06] Chiefs Association. Thank you, and I wish you

[21:09] all the best of luck in the world.

[21:20] I know we have in our audience our

[21:22] wonderful new Sheriff Freda Maddox, if you'd like

[21:25] to say a few words. I don't know

[21:37] what it is. They have a new sheriff

[21:39] in town and you're leaving. But anyway, I

[21:43] just wish you all of the best and

[21:46] the outpouring of the people, the officers, as

[21:50] well as the community in this room demonstrates

[21:53] the leadership and the love and affection that

[21:56] they have for you. I know that the

[21:59] sheriff's office in the past and even in

[22:01] the present always depends on knowing that Westchester

[22:05] Borough Police Department is there. We are collaborators

[22:09] with you and anytime there was any incident,

[22:12] we know we could pick up the phone

[22:13] and call you. So, on behalf of the

[22:16] sheriff's office and I know there's going be

[22:17] a big celebration, we will be there then

[22:20] for your actual citation but I couldn't let

[22:23] this day go without at least acknowledging all

[22:27] that you've done. That's a long time of

[22:30] service. Not only as a police officer, but

[22:33] two decades, twenty years. And it started under

[22:37] Doctor. Clifford D. Baptiste. So again, just thank

[22:41] you so much. Thank you for also being

[22:43] a supporter of me, that if I need

[22:45] some advice, I know where to find you

[22:47] and I can pick up the phone and

[22:49] you already congratulated me and already provided me

[22:52] some type of guidance. So, I certainly appreciate

[22:54] that and certainly, the Chester County Sheriff's Association

[22:59] office is appreciative of you as well. So

[23:02] Go ahead. Scott. I've known Scott for all

[23:07] thirty four years. I'm in my thirty ninth.

[23:11] So I have a little couple years on

[23:12] you, But Scott and I started in criminal

[23:15] investigation together. I was with PSP and he

[23:18] was a newly freshman detective here in Westchester.

[23:22] So I can probably tell you stories all

[23:23] night till the cows come home by alone.

[23:26] But all I will say is that Scott

[23:27] has been a truly a colleague, a mentor,

[23:33] but mostly a friend. This guy has never

[23:35] changed from day one. I picked up the

[23:37] phone from the time that we were detectives

[23:39] to the time he was chief, and we've

[23:41] had that relationship and maintained it ever since.

[23:43] So other than the fact that your hair

[23:46] is no longer black, I no longer have

[23:48] an afro. And do we have any other

[24:04] elected officials in the room? Okay. So, at

[24:09] this time, I know that our Borough Council

[24:14] President, Michael Gailey, would like to say a

[24:16] few words for our outgoing chief. I'll keep

[24:23] this very brief because you all got to

[24:25] hear my story already. But on behalf of

[24:28] the borough, we would like to present you

[24:29] with this gift in honor and recognition of

[24:32] your thirty four years of service to this

[24:34] community. Congratulations and best of luck in your

[24:38] future endeavors. Thank you very much. So, before

[24:53] we move on at this time, I'd like

[24:54] to open it up to the floor. If

[24:56] there's anyone here, a resident or a colleague

[25:00] or anyone else who would like to say

[25:02] a few words, you're more than welcome. Jordan?

[25:07] Jordan was mayor for eight months? Yay. And

[25:15] served on borough council for how long? I

[25:19] just wanted to come up since I'm here

[25:20] and I'm all dressed up. It's been a

[25:23] pleasure working with you. Some of the strengths

[25:26] I've noticed from a leadership standpoint have been

[25:30] your ability to manage many, many, many different

[25:34] priorities. And, you know, I don't know how

[25:37] you do it from a time management standpoint.

[25:38] I'm still trying to figure out, you know,

[25:40] when I put my kid down to sleep.

[25:42] But, you've managed everything from the budget to

[25:45] personnel to everything else that goes along with

[25:50] running a police department. You've done it competently.

[25:53] You've done it with passion. And I was

[25:56] able to see that side of you working

[25:58] with you through the hiring process, as that

[26:01] is the number one most important thing is

[26:05] the hiring process. I'm hopeful with everything that

[26:09] you've done and built with this police department

[26:12] that we continue to pave down that path,

[26:15] and that we remember certainly as counsel as

[26:18] well, that it's extremely important, it's foundational to

[26:22] have a police department as professional and wonderful

[26:25] as the people that put themselves here today

[26:29] as a foundation for all the growth that

[26:31] occurs in Westchester. If you don't have safety,

[26:35] if you don't have quality of life, you

[26:37] don't have anything to grow towards and move

[26:40] towards and prosper. So, as council makes decisions

[26:44] going forward, every council going forward, I hope

[26:47] everyone remembers that, when making their decisions and

[26:50] casting their votes for officers going forward. And

[26:57] I wish you the best of luck, and

[26:59] maybe we can actually get a beer in

[27:00] town now. Is there anyone else from the

[27:13] audience who'd like to say anything? Thank you,

[27:16] Scott Bond. No, not Daryl. Jim, Jim Scanlon.

[27:53] That's a hard act to follow. But you

[27:59] mentioned your two year old and what Scott

[28:02] did to try to help. I'm Jim Scanlon,

[28:05] I'm the superintendent of the Westchester Area School

[28:07] District, and I'm here to thank Scott Bond

[28:09] and the entire, police department for all that

[28:12] they do to keep our kids safe. We

[28:15] back before, school safety drills were, something that

[28:19] they're now required to do, we were doing

[28:22] that, with the police department. In fact, after

[28:25] the Sandy Hook shooting, I remember having a

[28:28] conversation with Scott and the other chiefs, about

[28:30] safety drills and going through our schools and

[28:34] doing not just lockdown drills, but changing the

[28:36] whole protocol and the procedure to get away

[28:38] from any kind of danger and shooter. And

[28:41] and we would do these drills, they would

[28:43] come in and watch us do the drills,

[28:44] and they'd give us feedback in our schools

[28:46] to our staff. All all to help keep

[28:49] our kids safe. I've been the superintendent for

[28:52] eleven years, and my first time on the

[28:54] job, the first people I call the police

[28:57] chiefs that we're working with. I think it's

[28:58] important to do that. And since the district's

[29:01] called Westchester the first chief, I call it

[29:03] Westcott. And so I've been here a third

[29:05] of your years that you've been serving the

[29:08] community. And first thing he does is gives

[29:11] me his cell phone. If you need anything,

[29:14] just give me a call. Little did he

[29:16] know that we would be calling. I don't

[29:18] know what. Whether it was conducting safety drills,

[29:22] whether it was a drug bust or a

[29:24] bomb scare at Henderson High School, whether it

[29:26] was a dead body behind Hillsdale Elementary School

[29:28] from an overdose, whether it was a clown

[29:33] that was out in the community scaring people.

[29:35] Remember the clown we had to chase out

[29:37] of Hennessy a couple of years ago. He's

[29:40] always been there. He goes way out of

[29:44] his way to help, all the kids and

[29:46] everybody in the community. We are very blessed.

[29:48] I have worked with 11 different police forces

[29:50] in my twenty one years as a superintendent,

[29:53] and I gotta tell you, we are losing

[29:55] a chief that is among the best. I'm

[29:58] happy to know that he is going to

[29:59] be working in Harrisburg when he and I

[30:01] share some Harrisburg stories. It's good to know

[30:03] we have a friend out in Harrisburg now

[30:05] that, that we can actually try to help

[30:07] run some legislation. So, Scott, on behalf of

[30:09] all the kids, all the parents, that that

[30:11] you serve in our community, thanks so much

[30:12] for keeping us all safe. So is there

[30:24] anyone else from the audience? Joe, Joe Norley.

[30:27] I just speak from here, seems to be

[30:30] a poem, know, but twenty years I moved

[30:33] to Westchester with my wife Anyone else? Jim,

[31:57] Jim Sargent. So, the only, thing I've heard

[32:09] this evening which would lead me to question

[32:12] Scott Bond's integrity is his claim that he's

[32:15] served here for thirty four years. Anyone can

[32:18] look at him and realize that means he

[32:20] was 10 year old when he started. Scott

[32:27] has done an incredible job of leading this

[32:29] police force, and the testament to his leadership

[32:33] is the police force itself. I started law

[32:36] enforcement more years ago than I want to

[32:39] confess, but I've been a member of this

[32:42] community. I live and work here, and have

[32:45] since, the late 1970s. And, I will say

[32:52] that this police department is a real testament

[32:55] to the integrity of its leader. It's a

[32:58] very difficult job. Every one of the police

[33:02] officers I've ever met has discharged their, professional

[33:07] responsibility with the utmost integrity, and I really

[33:12] applaud you and the police department in this

[33:15] community. It is a testament to a community

[33:17] which is, know, open minded and fair minded.

[33:22] So, kudos to you. What else? Anyone else?

[34:26] Well, thank you all for your heartfelt and

[34:31] very true words. I'm mixing the agenda up

[34:36] a little and I'd like to ask the

[34:38] Brotherhood to now come up and provide their

[34:41] presentation to the Chief. David Hammond. I represent

[34:54] the brotherhood, and this is, corporal Brad Burghi,

[34:57] our vice president. Civilians don't likely know, of

[35:02] an internal tradition that the, brotherhood has of

[35:05] honoring a member with a quality engraved watch

[35:09] after twenty years of service to the brotherhood

[35:13] and the community. Membership in the brotherhood is

[35:17] only available to, officers with the rank of,

[35:20] sergeant and below. And due to the demands

[35:24] of the job and other reasons, a great

[35:27] number of officers never make it to twenty

[35:30] years. So it's a big achievement. The twenty

[35:34] year watch also has an added value in

[35:36] that it actually feels like a twenty five

[35:38] year watch. Chief Bond fell far short of

[35:43] this requirement for the twenty year watch. He

[35:47] was a failure in this regard, in that

[35:51] he had already been a lieutenant by year

[35:54] 14 or so? Seventeen. Seventeen? Okay. However, in

[35:59] recognition of his overall, service, the brotherhood has,

[36:02] waived this requirement for the chief and presents

[36:06] to him a twenty year watch that he

[36:08] never got. You said that last bit. It's

[37:27] the quick search. Okay. Thank you. Alright. Just

[37:33] one more. Thank you. So lastly, the two

[37:49] lieutenants and I would like to honor the

[37:52] chief. So, for full transparency, the Chief hates

[38:17] this. He doesn't like to be singled out

[38:20] because he said to me time and time

[38:23] and time again, it's not about him, it's

[38:26] about the entire force. And we all know

[38:28] that to be true. But everyone needs leadership

[38:32] and everyone needs good, strong leadership. And there

[38:36] is no doubt that Chief Bond has made

[38:39] a significant and lasting difference for our community.

[38:45] So, I thought to myself, rather than talk

[38:47] on and on and on, what are the

[38:50] three most important things I could say about

[38:53] him? And I thought about him, and I

[38:56] thought about who he is, and I came

[38:59] up with three words. And the first one

[39:02] is commitment, Because Chief Bond worked tirelessly during

[39:09] his tenure as chief for two decades to

[39:12] develop this police force into the modern age.

[39:18] To move into a community policing model, and

[39:21] to introduce transparency. We now have body cams

[39:26] for example. And he showed up at the

[39:28] NAACP meeting and he showed the body cam

[39:31] policy to everyone, and he said, I'd like

[39:33] you to take a look at this and

[39:35] give me your feedback. And I thought that

[39:38] was pretty impressive. And over the twenty years

[39:42] that he been chief, our serious crimes have

[39:45] declined 58% and put Westchester Thirty Four Percent

[39:51] below the national average. He was also very

[40:03] committed to me, which I found wonderful because,

[40:07] you know, it's really hard for a chief

[40:09] because mayors come and mayors go. And mayors

[40:13] have very different personalities. But he treated me

[40:16] with respect and he helped me and he

[40:20] taught me. And he would come in Monday

[40:23] mornings and say, that damn mayor, she blew

[40:25] up my phone all weekend again. But he

[40:28] was really he was really kidding, I think,

[40:36] because he was always I hope truly, he

[40:42] was always there to help and to answer

[40:46] my questions. But most importantly, his top number

[40:52] one commitment was to this community. He had

[40:56] an open door policy and he took every

[40:58] call and every email that came in and

[41:00] he responded immediately and he's told me over

[41:02] and over, this isn't about me, it's not

[41:05] about you, it's not about counsel, I apologize,

[41:08] it's about this community. And he meant it,

[41:11] and he practiced it every day. So that's

[41:14] number one. The second thing, the second word

[41:18] I would use to describe Chief Bond is

[41:21] intellect. I had someone very recently say to

[41:26] me, he's a genius. And I looked at

[41:29] him and he said, just flat out, no,

[41:31] like he's really smart. And he is. He's

[41:35] incredibly intelligent. I never asked him his IQ,

[41:40] but he has a tremendous ability to evaluate

[41:44] and analyze. And his positions are always incredibly

[41:49] well researched. They're supported and they're always put

[41:52] in the proper context. We had a man,

[41:57] a gentleman who was in a severe car

[41:59] accident in the borough and he lost his

[42:01] wife. And he came in here because he

[42:04] was so happy with the way our officers

[42:09] treated him and treated his wife. And he

[42:12] wanted to thank the chief. And afterwards, we

[42:16] had a discussion in my office and then

[42:18] the chief left and I talked to him

[42:19] for a while longer and he said, He's

[42:23] really your chief? He said, I expected this

[42:27] big, gruff, you know, burly dude. And what

[42:32] I met was an incredibly intelligent, compassionate, articulate,

[42:39] fair man. And he just could not say

[42:42] enough about Chief Bond. And I think that

[42:45] kind of says it all. And then my

[42:48] third word is fairness. You know, there's no

[42:52] such thing as presumption in police work, and

[42:57] we all know that, but Chief Bond never

[43:01] swayed. He never veered from that principle. He's

[43:06] incredibly objective. He's entirely apolitical, which is so

[43:10] nice. And the world I come from is

[43:13] wonderfully refreshing. And I, you know, there were

[43:18] a couple times when I would have victims

[43:20] of crimes, call me after they'd been through

[43:24] the whole justice system, the court system, the

[43:26] whole process, and they would feel as if

[43:30] justice wasn't served. They were still suffering. And

[43:33] I would invite them in, and I remember

[43:37] one incidence where the chief came in to

[43:40] help a young woman. And he was so

[43:43] wonderful. He didn't condescend to her in any

[43:47] way, but he explained to her the process.

[43:49] He empathized with her. He was incredibly fair

[43:52] about the realities. And you know, we can't

[43:59] give them the justice that they feel they

[44:01] deserve. But when she left that room, I

[44:04] knew that the chief had helped her. He

[44:08] helped her move toward closure and healing by

[44:11] listening to her and helping her understand. So,

[44:16] I want to thank you for your commitment,

[44:18] for your intellect, and for your fairness, and

[44:21] for your lasting contributions to our community. Thank

[44:25] you. I appreciate that. This is a citation

[44:36] from the mayor's office and from all the

[44:38] residents of this community thanking you. And this,

[44:43] this is our new key to the city

[44:44] with our new borough flag on it. So

[45:12] are we it? We get to see You're

[45:14] out. You're out. You're out. Three things of

[45:17] note. Marty voted me to speak tonight. So

[45:20] since yes and you're already. Three things. So

[45:24] Doctor. Scanlon, I look around, I see judges,

[45:28] I see state police, I see other police

[45:29] chiefs. Huge outpouring, it's fantastic. Our public safety

[45:33] community is here, from the county. Yeah, we're

[45:38] all going to miss them. It's, it's that

[45:40] time has come. You know, Marty and I

[45:42] are towards the end of our careers. We

[45:44] wish it would have came sooner, but it's

[45:47] okay. It's all good. But the one thing

[45:51] the chief impressed upon us, time in, time

[45:54] out again, and it was brought up many

[45:56] times tonight, depending on which direction you're heard

[46:00] it, but it's the people of this police

[46:03] force. The chief always had a way of

[46:05] hiring good people. And, you know, all the

[46:09] officers that are in attendance tonight, they were

[46:11] hired by the chief. It's because of you

[46:14] that crime rates have dropped the way they

[46:16] have. It's because of you that words like

[46:18] professionalism and responsiveness and community were shown tonight.

[46:23] So we really thank you for that. Marty

[46:26] and I were reflecting earlier today on the

[46:28] biggest thing we miss, since you've been gone

[46:30] now for a little over a month. And

[46:32] I've to be honest with you, we miss

[46:33] Tracy. Tracy brought the coffee, brought the salad,

[46:37] we don't that's gone. So we really don't

[46:41] miss you because We call you twice a

[46:45] week at least now anyway. So we still

[46:47] have access to you, but Trace, feel free

[46:49] to come back. So we miss you. We're

[46:52] now a little bit mad at the brotherhood

[46:54] because you got a watch given to him

[46:56] tonight. We wish he would have had that

[46:57] for our many long meetings because every everybody

[47:02] knows how that, how that impacted us over

[47:06] the years, but it was all all for

[47:07] great reason. So with that being said, the

[47:12] police administration and the members of the police

[47:15] department would like to present you with a

[47:16] couple gifts, but we're going to give you

[47:17] one tonight. We're to save one for later.

[47:19] But that gift comes from all the men

[47:21] and women of the police department. Had the

[47:24] mayor's input on it. Had a lot of

[47:25] Stacy and Emily input on it as well.

[47:28] And I'd like to present you with just

[47:31] a token of thirty four years of appreciation

[47:33] from from us. These are all the chief's

[47:36] badges, including Malcolm. Thirty four years in Polyester.

[48:29] Got a change in wardrobe. I can't possibly,

[48:33] and I'm extremely humbled by everything that's been

[48:36] said tonight. And I will be short, I

[48:40] get it. I have gotten it for a

[48:44] while, yeah, I know. But, you know, I've

[48:49] been in front of, I've worked for, and

[48:51] I don't, and I was thinking about this

[48:53] earlier in the week, how many different council

[48:55] people over the last thirty four years, and

[48:58] certainly over the last twenty that I've worked

[49:00] with. I've had the opportunity to work with

[49:05] six different mayors, different parties, all excellent people.

[49:12] I was hired by, Doctor. Debaptiste, back in

[49:17] 1999 after the untimely death of, one of

[49:20] my mentors, Chief Green. The most important function

[49:26] of government is public safety. And I'm a

[49:30] native of Westchester, so I've spent my entire

[49:33] life here. The intellect comes from Westchester School

[49:36] District, which I'm a graduate. Give you that

[49:39] plug, Doctor. Scanlon. But, you know, I've always

[49:44] looked at it as a bit of what

[49:45] we do and how we do it as

[49:47] being family. It does require all of that

[49:51] collaboration, with our school district, working with our

[49:54] university. I was talking to Malcolm Johnston, I

[49:57] know he's here somewhere. There you are Malcolm,

[50:00] thank you for all that you do. And

[50:03] remembering what the community was like, remembering certainly

[50:07] in experiencing what our crime was going back

[50:11] in 1999 to where we are today, and

[50:15] such a significant drop in our crime rate.

[50:20] And I think that is really a testament

[50:22] to the fine men and women in our

[50:25] police department. Now I've taken full credit for

[50:27] that on my resume, but I certainly am

[50:32] cognizant of the work and the sacrifice that

[50:35] all the men and women of this police

[50:38] department have made to this community. And I've

[50:41] always thought that was the good part of

[50:42] what we did, is the way our police

[50:46] officers were vested in their community. And you're

[50:50] working with partners, people like Kevin, the Chester

[50:53] County Detectives, the state police, the county sheriffs,

[50:56] there are just so many. But they were

[50:58] always, not only partners, but they were friends,

[51:02] people you could pick up the phone, call,

[51:05] and get the work, done. I certainly want

[51:09] to thank Tracy for her support. You got

[51:12] the invite back, I did not. They've cut

[51:16] my card access, they've cut everything. I can't

[51:19] get back into the building. My daughter Lauren's

[51:22] here, my stepmother Carol, and I saw Tracy's

[51:25] mom Wendy. Ben is here as well, and

[51:28] Tracy's sister, Emily, in the back. So, you

[51:31] know, this is just a little bit overwhelming,

[51:34] for me. It's certainly been my privilege, to

[51:39] be part of this community. I'm still part

[51:41] of the community. I still feel like, I

[51:44] am a member of the family. I always

[51:46] consider all of the people that I worked

[51:48] with, as members of my family. So I'm

[51:53] extremely grateful, for the number of people who

[51:56] came here tonight, and I can't thank you

[51:59] enough. On behalf of the entire police department,

[52:04] and certainly counsel, thank you this evening. Sorry

[52:06] I have my back to you, but, I

[52:09] can only say thank you. Really, you've given

[52:12] back more to me than I could have

[52:13] possibly ever given to you. And, certainly in

[52:18] my travels around the state, you know, Westchester,

[52:23] well recognized, highly thought of. I certainly always

[52:27] still promote, Westchester and what's going on, with

[52:31] our community. And I think we have, by

[52:34] comparison, such a great deal to be grateful

[52:37] for and proud of. So I thank all

[52:39] of you because all of you have had

[52:41] a role in that. And I'm happy that

[52:43] I had the opportunity to participate. So, thank

[52:46] you. Lauren, I should say that that first

[53:24] meeting I was talking about, he spent a

[53:25] good portion of it talking about you in

[53:27] a way that made it very clear how

[53:29] proud he was, and in a way that

[53:31] I'm sure I'll be talking about my daughters

[53:33] in thirty years. They're only seven in five

[53:36] months. Not that I'm not proud. We'll let

[53:41] everybody who is here for this file out

[53:43] before we move on. And thank you everyone

[53:47] for coming, and thank you, Chief. Yeah. Yeah.

[55:03] It was yeah. It's pretty cool. How you

[55:11] doing? The next topic for our discussion tonight

[55:32] is number eight, which is approval of the

[55:34] board and commission appointments. The first item is

[55:38] for the historical commission. There's one candidate listed

[55:41] there, and then we met the other candidate

[55:43] earlier today. We have two positions and two

[55:46] candidates. I think we if we wanted to

[55:49] move both of them on at the same

[55:51] time, we could do that. So moved. Second.

[55:58] Motion by Mr. Brazelin, second by Ms. Polk.

[56:01] Can you, to appoint these two individuals to

[56:04] those? Mr. Nell? Yes. Yes. Yes. Aye. Yes.

[56:15] The motion carries seven-zero. The next one is

[56:18] the hard one. I would like to make

[56:20] a proposal and throw it out there for

[56:23] discussion. I think Ms. DiFrancesco is clearly well

[56:28] qualified for the Sustainability Commission and expressed at

[56:32] least some interest in that. So I'd like

[56:34] to suggest that she sustainability. I know Mr.

[56:38] Forg expressed an interest in the Railroad Commission,

[56:42] so I think we should put him on

[56:43] the Railroad Commission. I think we should put

[56:47] Ms. McDonald on the library board and Ms.

[56:50] Reichel Herman on the that Ms. McDonald had

[56:56] attended a library board meeting in anticipation of

[57:00] her application, and I was particularly impressed with

[57:03] her discussion of meeting with her clients as

[57:07] guardian ad litem, which means her clients are

[57:10] all children, and directing them to the library

[57:13] as a source for access to information. Does

[57:20] anybody else have any contrary thoughts? Would you

[57:24] do it on the board? Number, we're on

[57:27] the library board list. Can we do that

[57:35] like that? All right, so the motion by

[57:40] Mr. Scott to appoint Ms. DeFrancesco and Ms.

[57:44] Reichel Kerman to the Sustainability Commission, to appoint

[57:48] Ms. McDonald to the Library Board, and to

[57:50] appoint Mr. Ford to the Railroad Commission. Do

[57:52] I have a second? Second. Second by Mr.

[57:55] Flynn. Can you call the question please? Yes.

[58:00] Yes. Yes. Yes. Motion carries seven zero. We

[58:10] have one open position and one applicant for

[58:12] the Sustainability Advisory Committee on the next slate.

[58:15] That seems like a no brainer. A motion?

[58:19] That is read. Second. All right, motion by

[58:23] Mr. Flynn, second by Mr. Bracelin. Yes. Mr.

[58:27] Flynn? Yes. Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Aye. Yes,

[58:32] the motion carries seven zero. On the next,

[58:35] we have two candidates, one for a full

[58:39] board member position and the other for an

[58:41] alternate position. My feeling on this one, and

[58:45] I'll throw this out for discussion as well,

[58:47] is that Ms. Clark clearly does this professionally.

[58:53] So I would recommend her for the open

[58:55] position in Ms. Second. Second by Ms. Pohl.

[59:06] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Aye. Yes. The motion

[59:15] passes seven zero. All right, thank you. The

[59:23] next item on our agenda is approval of

[59:27] the proposed enterprise vehicle leasing program. I think

[59:30] I'm going to turn this over to Mr.

[59:32] Flynn, who's been dealing with this for days.

[59:35] Don't know if has a comment for other

[59:37] council members. Hi, good evening. A year ago,

[59:42] we entertained Enterprise Leasing Corporation to find out

[59:48] whether the borough would actually fit the model

[59:51] for leasing vehicles through enterprise. It was very

[59:58] large study. Miss LeBold did the contracts. She

[1:00:03] called every contact that the enterprise gave us.

[1:00:11] She heard back from four out of five,

[1:00:14] and they all come back with sterling reviews.

[1:00:17] There were some startup issues with one of

[1:00:22] them, but, enterprise is able to, move things

[1:00:26] around to make sure that the hiccups were

[1:00:29] actually fixed. I was in charge of contracts,

[1:00:36] meeting enterprise and trying to figure out whether

[1:00:38] we'd actually have a cost savings if we

[1:00:41] did lease our vehicles from enterprise. And you'll

[1:00:46] be able to hear the outcome of that

[1:00:48] a little bit later on. Then what we

[1:00:52] did was we brought in the fleet manager

[1:00:55] to meet with the study team and with

[1:00:59] enterprise to make sure that we were making

[1:01:03] the right decision for the borough. And Mr.

[1:01:06] Jason Barnes was sitting in all the meetings

[1:01:08] for thereafter to make sure that it would

[1:01:12] be a fit for the borough to start

[1:01:13] leasing light body trucks and passenger vehicles. The

[1:01:20] state actually did us a favor. We're all

[1:01:23] familiar with the word co stars. Well, seven

[1:01:28] months, eight months into the study, even though

[1:01:31] Mr. Anthony told me the first day, of

[1:01:34] course I didn't remember, SourceWell is actually the

[1:01:38] approved commonwealth car leasing agent that's been approved

[1:01:46] by Harrisburg, just like CoStar's. CoStar's, we buy

[1:01:51] equipment, SourceWell is vehicles for buying, selling and

[1:01:56] leasing cars. We are very relieved to find

[1:01:59] out that Enterprise actually had the contract. At

[1:02:03] that particular time, we gave all the contracts

[1:02:06] to our solicitor. She did change some of

[1:02:09] the contracts around to meet our needs And,

[1:02:14] Enterprise was actually able to, let us do

[1:02:18] what we had to do to do it.

[1:02:19] This is an open end lease. So we're

[1:02:23] not locked in. If we decide we don't

[1:02:26] like them and they don't like us, we

[1:02:28] have a meeting and we decide it's over.

[1:02:31] So the cars and trucks that we buy

[1:02:34] or lease, they're ours. They're in our name.

[1:02:37] We have to ensure them. We have to

[1:02:40] make sure that we maintain them according to

[1:02:42] enterprises, protocol in order to stay within their

[1:02:47] program. And we also have to, make sure

[1:02:51] that we follow their procedures because the big

[1:02:54] return on leasing is when they tell us

[1:02:57] we have to get rid of a vehicle.

[1:02:59] It's time to flip the vehicle because it's

[1:03:02] at its highest resale value. That's the big

[1:03:04] thing about leasing. Use as much as you

[1:03:08] need to use it, but as they see

[1:03:10] in the market that that vehicle needs to

[1:03:12] be flipped out, they'll notify us right away

[1:03:15] to get it flipped out. We also purchased

[1:03:19] along with that would be a maintenance package.

[1:03:22] The maintenance package you heard last night is

[1:03:24] all the local vendors for oil changes, windshield

[1:03:27] wipers, top fixed tires, anything that goes wrong

[1:03:32] with the general maintenance of the vehicle is

[1:03:35] covered under our maintenance package that we have

[1:03:38] with Enterprise. So that actually helps out our

[1:03:42] motor pool people quite often where they don't

[1:03:45] have to run around trying to find a

[1:03:47] vendor to get something fixed. They go to

[1:03:49] the closest vendor, which is Pep Boys, and

[1:03:52] I think it's Auto World, right across the

[1:03:54] street, right across the outside the window. So,

[1:03:58] that's in a nutshell, we've able to work

[1:04:01] through everything. It took us a good year

[1:04:03] to do this. It was a heavy lift

[1:04:06] to make sure that we covered every base.

[1:04:09] Miss LeBold was totally against this thing in

[1:04:11] the very beginning. And she did a three

[1:04:14] sixty and she's 100% behind the lease program.

[1:04:19] And at this time, I'd like to have

[1:04:21] Mr. Barnes come up for a couple seconds.

[1:04:24] I did prep Mr. Barnes and tell him

[1:04:26] that he was going be called on. I

[1:04:27] was actually going to ask you to come

[1:04:28] up without even warning Because Mr. Barnes is

[1:04:33] going to be responsible to make sure if

[1:04:36] we move forward to handle the contract. Yes,

[1:04:41] Jason Barnes, fleet manager. So initially when I

[1:04:44] first got here, it was given to me.

[1:04:46] I've only been here about six, seven months

[1:04:48] now. So initially it was given to me.

[1:04:51] I really didn't understand it, but as I

[1:04:54] looked into it, it isn't a great opportunity

[1:04:57] because of the fact that two things, one

[1:04:59] Westchester is small, so we don't tear our

[1:05:02] cars up at all. So when he was

[1:05:05] talking about the resale value, we will get

[1:05:06] the maximum resale value because our cars are

[1:05:09] not abused. And when they go to turn

[1:05:12] it over, it's a great, it's a great

[1:05:13] opportunity. If you're looking for small vehicles, like

[1:05:16] he said, light trucks and passenger vehicles, your

[1:05:20] parking and your building and housing, is excellent

[1:05:22] for that because parking is not going that

[1:05:24] far, building houses not going that far. And

[1:05:26] also a variety of cars. At this present

[1:05:28] time, Ford, is getting rid of their hybrid

[1:05:31] cars. So the five that we have right

[1:05:33] now, that's it. But now we can do

[1:05:35] different manufacturers that, have hybrid vehicles and electric

[1:05:40] We already have charging stations. So, at this

[1:05:43] point, we have a variety of cars that

[1:05:45] we can use, not just one manufacturer. And

[1:05:47] we can switch up manufacturers because of the

[1:05:50] fact that, we're not doing the service. We

[1:05:53] have a maintenance program for it. We're not

[1:05:55] really doing the service on that. Aside for,

[1:05:57] if we become an authorized shop to do

[1:06:00] it with the oil changes and maybe some

[1:06:02] tires and that's about it. But because the

[1:06:05] cars are so new and anybody knows with

[1:06:07] a new car, you don't do that much

[1:06:09] to it. You pretty much just gas and

[1:06:11] go. So, the opportunity is good. So I

[1:06:16] suggest that we go forward with it. You,

[1:06:18] Mr. The follow-up Mr. Barnes, the first you're

[1:06:25] Our last fleet manager wasn't able to provide

[1:06:29] us with what it costs in parts only

[1:06:32] to maintain our fleet as it sits down

[1:06:35] the garage. Mr. Barnes was able to capture

[1:06:38] all that information. And in six months we've

[1:06:42] spent 90 one thousand in just parts. 100,000

[1:06:52] parts, hopefully savings unless something major breaks your

[1:06:56] trucks. And the biggest fault that we had,

[1:06:59] and we realized at the borough is we

[1:07:02] would buy vehicles and we would run them

[1:07:05] till they would not run any longer. And

[1:07:07] then we put them on muni bid. And

[1:07:09] then once we put them on muni bid,

[1:07:11] we got scrap prices for them. So with

[1:07:14] the new vehicles coming in and out every

[1:07:17] three years, three to five years, whatever the

[1:07:20] program is going to be. It keeps our

[1:07:23] people safe. It keeps them in a newer

[1:07:26] vehicle, a hybrid vehicle. I think we're going

[1:07:28] to go to a lot of electric vehicles.

[1:07:32] So that's my report, Mr. Gowdy. Thank you.

[1:07:35] Question on the vehicle choices. Have those been

[1:07:38] made yet or will we make those as

[1:07:40] we go forward in the program? Thank you.

[1:07:53] I reminded everybody yesterday, and I forgot myself

[1:07:56] this day. No, you're fine. We were waiting

[1:07:58] until a final decision was made before we

[1:08:00] locked down on the specs and the vehicles

[1:08:02] that we were going to select because of

[1:08:04] availability, given the model year that we're in.

[1:08:06] We're coming up against a lot of deadlines

[1:08:08] to place orders. Who makes the final determination

[1:08:11] of which vehicles which? Male You do. I

[1:08:14] make the recommendation based off of a variety

[1:08:16] of different aspects, but ultimately you're the decision

[1:08:18] maker. Feel like one of the most interesting

[1:08:19] aspects of this is the ability to go

[1:08:21] into Absolutely. Sounds like we'll have an ability

[1:08:29] to kind of work towards that. Absolutely. The

[1:08:32] equity lease product will allow us to shorten

[1:08:35] the life cycle of the fleet, is the

[1:08:37] old time. Mr. Gale, I believe that we

[1:08:40] have what six or seven units talked about

[1:08:44] for 2020. We were at a total of

[1:08:46] eight. Okay. Based off of some of the

[1:08:48] values we were able to get on the

[1:08:50] resale. Eight vehicles, because that's our normal. Yeah,

[1:08:53] we have about eight vehicles that we've, Anthony

[1:08:56] and I picked out so far. They're older

[1:08:58] vehicles. Mr. Allen was talking about last night

[1:09:01] about fuel efficiency, about the rise in the

[1:09:04] cost of fuel. And these eight vehicles are

[1:09:07] as they get older, they're less fuel efficient.

[1:09:10] So, getting into these eight vehicles right now,

[1:09:13] you know, give us a couple of dollars

[1:09:16] for the borough because we will sell them

[1:09:17] on this a bit. And we will get

[1:09:19] new cars that are more fuel efficient. Yes.

[1:09:21] So we have about eight vehicles right now

[1:09:22] and they're all older vehicles. To also mention,

[1:09:26] we keep a vehicle about ten years now.

[1:09:28] So, you know, if you've had a ten

[1:09:29] year old vehicle, it gets a little rough

[1:09:32] after about ten years. So yeah, we keep

[1:09:33] a vehicle on average about ten years. Any

[1:09:38] other comments or questions from counsel? I like

[1:09:42] the idea of more electric vehicles actually because

[1:09:47] we're in as you say, it's a small

[1:09:49] borough, you don't go that far. And I

[1:09:52] think one of the things that I've noticed

[1:09:55] is how much idling is done with a

[1:09:59] lot of the staff for no reason at

[1:10:02] all. No reason at all. Ron's car is

[1:10:04] out there right now believe. And, yeah, with

[1:10:10] the electric, take your foot off the throttle,

[1:10:13] you're not burning any gas. Absolutely. Yes. We

[1:10:16] just took delivery of a a hybrid the

[1:10:18] first one, the hybrid police SUV, right, the

[1:10:22] interceptor. So we just took delivery of that

[1:10:24] and that includes a engine shutdown. So if

[1:10:27] it's sitting, the engine is off. Sometimes when

[1:10:29] it's rotting, the engine will shut off and

[1:10:31] you'll be on battery only. We currently have

[1:10:33] right now five hybrid Fords that are run

[1:10:36] by administration. And you will I wish the

[1:10:40] chief was here because he was the best.

[1:10:42] He would get he would go a month

[1:10:44] without putting fuel in his car, because he

[1:10:47] would charge it and go forward. So, yeah.

[1:10:49] Yes, we do have we will have access

[1:10:52] to that, to hybrid vehicles and electric vehicles.

[1:10:54] We would I know it's we're probably getting

[1:10:56] too much down on the weeds here, but

[1:10:57] we would need more charging stations, I would

[1:11:00] imagine. It depends on it would depend on

[1:11:03] what vehicles we're using. For parking authority, probably

[1:11:06] we would have to get more charging stations.

[1:11:08] Right now, currently have two up top and

[1:11:10] two down the bottom, over here at 401.

[1:11:14] And so, yeah, we would need more charging

[1:11:15] stations or we could just go hybrid vehicles.

[1:11:18] Hybrid vehicles will give you a greater range

[1:11:21] also. Because like I said before, because Borough

[1:11:24] Westchester is so small, a lot of times

[1:11:25] you could just run on straight electricity and

[1:11:27] without using gasoline. Thank you. Any other questions

[1:11:32] from council? I had a couple of questions.

[1:11:35] You talked about how we're, are we exclusively

[1:11:37] for Ford right now? When I first got

[1:11:41] here, we exclusively run Ford vehicles. Initially, they

[1:11:46] said it was because we wanted one makeup

[1:11:49] car or one type of car. So, the

[1:11:51] parts, getting the parts for the vehicle. If

[1:11:53] we go with enterprise, then we don't have

[1:11:55] to worry about that because they would be

[1:11:56] in charge of the maintenance. So, we wouldn't

[1:11:58] have to worry about it. We could get

[1:11:59] a different variety of vehicle. But right now,

[1:12:01] we primarily run, if you walk around, we

[1:12:04] have Ford everything. So, we wouldn't have to

[1:12:06] do that. And because, everybody knows different manufacturers

[1:12:10] give you different things. So, where Ford might

[1:12:13] do a hybrid, maybe Toyota does it better.

[1:12:15] Okay, so something like that, yes. I love

[1:12:17] my Prius. Me And thank you for the

[1:12:23] numbers. I'm assuming this is the spreadsheet. Yes,

[1:12:27] that is it, yes. Yeah. It's pretty big.

[1:12:30] That was three days. Yeah, I can imagine.

[1:12:33] I noticed there was a lot on here,

[1:12:35] and I was curious with the coverage from

[1:12:39] enterprise, like how much of this would be

[1:12:42] covered by that $58 a month? Is that

[1:12:46] what we're trying to? Yeah, that's the right

[1:12:49] there is parts and labor for everything that

[1:12:52] we have in the borough right now. That

[1:12:55] for the last six months when I was

[1:12:56] here, that's everything that you have, every invoice

[1:12:58] that came across my desk, that's what you

[1:13:00] have in front of you. We would eliminate,

[1:13:03] well, I can tell you initially just for

[1:13:05] the eight vehicles right now, in the last

[1:13:07] six months, we spent about $5,000 on just

[1:13:10] the eight vehicles that we wanna replace. So

[1:13:12] that would increase, because that was just an

[1:13:14] initial eight, we would do more than that

[1:13:16] over the long term. But yeah, that was

[1:13:18] just initially. So, a lot of that, unfortunately

[1:13:21] is for our heavy trucks also, and our

[1:13:24] heavy trucks, they take a lot. So, and

[1:13:27] then also enterprise would allow us to just

[1:13:29] concentrate on heavy trucks and not split between

[1:13:32] the two. And on this list, I noticed

[1:13:35] there was like fire department equipment from fire

[1:13:38] line and There's nothing you can do about

[1:13:40] the fire department. Right. If you want to

[1:13:41] know honestly, fire department, your police department are

[1:13:44] going to be the biggest expenses. The fire

[1:13:46] trucks are just, they're just big and they

[1:13:48] cost unfortunately. And the parts for fire trucks

[1:13:51] are just expensive because they're a specialty item.

[1:13:54] Right. So, they're going to be expensive. Absolutely.

[1:13:56] So, it's a lot of the fire trucks.

[1:13:57] And unfortunately, they don't enterprise doesn't rent fire

[1:14:00] don't need those. But as the fire trucks

[1:14:03] get older, as in any vehicle, the cost

[1:14:06] is going to go up for maintenance. Right.

[1:14:08] Yes. Okay. And I was actually blown away

[1:14:13] with the amount of stuff that was in

[1:14:14] here. So, with like, I'm looking at a

[1:14:17] caliber collision, that was a pretty big part

[1:14:20] of the '91. Well, unfortunately, accidents do happen,

[1:14:22] so, Yeah, that kind of costs a lot.

[1:14:25] Right. Yes. Is enterprise going to cover that?

[1:14:28] That's still under our insurance. Okay. Yeah, we

[1:14:31] still cover that, yes. And there's like car

[1:14:33] washes, Verizon GPS, towing, I'm all assuming would

[1:14:37] not fall under enterprise as well. No, those

[1:14:40] are just basic things that we will still

[1:14:41] cover. Okay. Towing and car wash. So, a

[1:14:44] lot of the 91,000 every six months will

[1:14:47] still be responsible for under enterprise. But here's

[1:14:51] the thing, you wouldn't be responsible because the

[1:14:52] cars are new and they wouldn't need that

[1:14:54] much. Much. So that will fall down. Not

[1:14:57] that it won't, I don't think you'll get

[1:14:59] a, we only talk at eight initial vehicles.

[1:15:01] So you won't get a big chunk off

[1:15:03] the but a lot of that will go

[1:15:05] down because we won't have to, because they're

[1:15:07] newer cars and you just got the maintenance

[1:15:09] on newer cars. It's not that extensive. Right.

[1:15:23] Yes. We're not leasing those. No. Likes to

[1:16:54] say this, but in fewer mechanics, potentially, you

[1:16:56] would need. Something to add to that too,

[1:17:29] something that we've been noticing with especially in

[1:17:32] the municipal space, is as vehicles are getting

[1:17:34] newer, they're getting much more sophisticated. So, far

[1:17:37] as diagnostic equipment and the investment that's required

[1:17:39] to have that in house for some of

[1:17:41] the light duty fleet, it's a large expenditure

[1:17:43] in order to invest in that to keep

[1:17:45] it in house. So, a lot of folks

[1:17:47] are pushing their light duty fleet out where

[1:17:50] the more custom equipment should stay in. The

[1:17:53] cost of the equipment that communicates with the

[1:17:56] cars. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Diagnostics. Yes. Diagnostic equipment

[1:17:59] can cost anywhere from $2,500 10 thousand dollars

[1:18:02] depending on the vehicle and how much you

[1:18:04] need. So, it can get pretty pricey. Absolutely.

[1:18:06] I guess my biggest concern right now is

[1:18:14] we're not going to see what happens for

[1:18:16] another two or three years. And I'm worried

[1:18:19] if well, first, let me ask, how many

[1:18:22] cars are we planning on transit? If everything

[1:18:24] goes great, how many cars are we going

[1:18:26] to transition to the lease model? Excluding our

[1:18:29] large equipment, including your general fleet and police

[1:18:32] fleet, you have a total of 76 vehicles,

[1:18:34] according to my most recent. So, how long

[1:18:38] do you expect that to take if we

[1:18:39] start with eight now, assuming everything is great?

[1:18:42] We're going start with eight now, but again,

[1:18:44] we had talked about the maintenance and the

[1:18:45] fuel tracking. So, we're going to use that

[1:18:47] information to start to develop a proactive fleet

[1:18:51] replacement plan, because if we start to see

[1:18:53] that there are some outliers that need to

[1:18:55] be taken care of immediately, then we're going

[1:18:57] to be able to attack that on our

[1:18:59] side, provide you with a sound recommendation with

[1:19:01] all the numbers to back it up. So,

[1:19:03] it might be eight this year, it might

[1:19:05] be 10 the following year. Right. Through attrition,

[1:19:08] it's going to take time. It's going to

[1:19:09] need to make financial and operational sense. But

[1:19:12] that's where what I do for a living

[1:19:13] is I meet with clients to make sure

[1:19:15] that we're monitoring everything, it makes sense, and

[1:19:18] it's sound logic as far as proceeding to

[1:19:21] move forward. What happens in like five years,

[1:19:25] if we see that it's not really saving

[1:19:26] us any money, we decide we don't want

[1:19:28] to be part of it. I get we're

[1:19:30] not locked in. I just I'm worried how

[1:19:33] much money we have in these vehicles. Like,

[1:19:35] what happens to the cars we're currently leasing

[1:19:37] if we decide it's not working? Yeah, well,

[1:19:39] at that point, you would have paid the

[1:19:41] vehicle down and that vehicle would have equity

[1:19:43] in it. So, really, you would have a

[1:19:44] couple of options. If you wanted an exit

[1:19:46] strategy, you would either turn that vehicle into

[1:19:48] us or we would sell it for you.

[1:19:50] Anything that we sell it for in excess

[1:19:51] of what's owed on it comes back to

[1:19:53] the borough. Or, you can continue to run

[1:19:55] it down until it's paid to zero and

[1:19:56] take title of it, and it's your vehicle.

[1:19:59] Or, if you decide that you want to

[1:20:01] replace the vehicle, you can replace it with

[1:20:03] us and roll the gains into a new

[1:20:04] one. So, you really have those three options.

[1:20:08] But five years in, what you're going to

[1:20:09] start to see is you're going to be

[1:20:10] getting out of newer vehicles and you're going

[1:20:12] to start to see much higher proceeds from

[1:20:14] the sale of those vehicles that's going to

[1:20:16] offset your fleet budget moving forward. That's going

[1:20:19] be a big piece of the pie that

[1:20:20] we're missing today, so the savings is going

[1:20:21] to be sustainable long term. And then, an

[1:20:23] exit strategy will be an upfront cost for

[1:20:26] us. An exit I'm sorry. Say that If

[1:20:29] we were to pursue an exit strategy, there

[1:20:31] would be, I'd imagine, a sizable upfront cost

[1:20:33] for that? Cost? No. No. Not like a

[1:20:36] fee or anything like that, but for us

[1:20:38] to be able to operate with vehicles because

[1:20:43] Well, if you are five years in and

[1:20:45] you have all of these vehicles that are

[1:20:47] at different points within their term, we're going

[1:20:49] to make sure that it makes sense to

[1:20:51] either extend it, run it down to zero

[1:20:53] and take title, or you could pay it

[1:20:55] off, take title, or you could turn it

[1:20:58] in and take the proceeds. And then, you

[1:21:00] just go off and you buy vehicles the

[1:21:01] way you normally would. Right. Okay. And that's

[1:21:03] a sixty month agreement as of now? Determined

[1:21:06] that sixty months would make the most sense

[1:21:08] given your current mileage application, yes. Sure. Okay.

[1:21:13] For municipal clients who you personally work with?

[1:21:18] In Pennsylvania or in general? Okay. In Pennsylvania,

[1:21:23] I work with the County Of Chester. So,

[1:21:25] I handle the entire 300 vehicles that they

[1:21:28] have under their umbrella, whether that's the sheriffs,

[1:21:30] the detectives, the public works, adult probation, etcetera.

[1:21:33] It's kind of like they're all a bunch

[1:21:34] of mini ones. But also, work with Camden

[1:21:37] County Prosecutor's Office. I work with a whole

[1:21:39] bunch of townships that are out in New

[1:21:41] Jersey, Woolwich Township, Logan Township, Borough of Lindenwald.

[1:21:46] We're actually in conversations now with Borough Of

[1:21:48] Pine Hill and Borough Of Berlin. The word's

[1:21:51] starting to travel that because there's always going

[1:21:53] to be a limit in the budget, and

[1:21:56] there's always going to be a need for

[1:21:57] vehicles, that leasing's going to make more sense

[1:22:00] in order to replace more with less cash

[1:22:02] out. Have you ever had one of your

[1:22:04] municipal clients cancel one of these types of

[1:22:08] contracts? I have not. I have a comment.

[1:22:16] I've heard the police fleet referenced several times

[1:22:20] here this evening, and I hear for the

[1:22:22] record that as the police department has agreed

[1:22:25] with mister Perrone, two things, that there will

[1:22:28] be no police vehicles subject to this agreement

[1:22:31] at this time. Okay. And there will be

[1:22:34] no police vehicles subject to the enterprise maintenance

[1:22:37] packet. We have not had sufficient discussion about

[1:22:40] how this could work with our specialized cars.

[1:22:44] I agree. Susans meaning the detective's cars? Is

[1:23:08] that your understanding, lieutenants? About a month ago,

[1:23:17] we had a discussion in this very room

[1:23:19] about this and we were told the police

[1:23:20] vehicles would be off the table for right

[1:23:23] now. We're open to having discussions about detective

[1:23:27] vehicles and administrative vehicles. We feel strongly that

[1:23:32] the police fleet itself, the marked police vehicles,

[1:23:36] are not going to be cost effective for

[1:23:39] a lease style program. We're very willing to

[1:23:41] sit down and talk about the administrative fleet

[1:23:44] and the detective fleet, which I believe would

[1:23:47] come up to about eight vehicles. We love

[1:23:51] the idea, but that's going to take some

[1:23:52] time to prepare, Chief Bond's, data that he

[1:23:57] had collected because at the time a year

[1:23:58] ago, it did not make sense for the

[1:24:01] police department. Myself and Lieutenant Deegan are more

[1:24:04] than willing to sit down back at the

[1:24:06] table and open this discussion again. We think

[1:24:08] it's worthwhile, but we've had no time to

[1:24:11] prepare for There's definitely some unique considerations, even

[1:24:14] with the non patrol we've talked about. Yes.

[1:24:19] Yes. And so, I would ask everyone and

[1:24:23] I would ask counsel to be sure that

[1:24:25] vote this evening that you exclude all police

[1:24:28] vehicles from this agreement and from the maintenance

[1:24:32] package until and unless we can sit down

[1:24:36] with the police department and really work through

[1:24:39] this together. No. No. And I don't think

[1:24:49] we had the eight or 10, whatever you

[1:24:52] guys were playing on this year. I don't

[1:24:54] think there were any police vehicles in there

[1:24:55] except the one detectives. Right, it was one

[1:24:59] It was one detective. Detective, one year 20

[1:25:02] years old. One year old Crown Victoria that

[1:25:05] was put on the list. But that's a

[1:25:07] very old car that's, you know. To leave

[1:25:10] it anyway, right? Yeah, I still like to

[1:25:12] not have it in here until we can

[1:25:15] talk and be sure that we're all comfortable

[1:25:18] and that the needs of the department are

[1:25:20] met. That hasn't happened, and that makes me

[1:25:23] a little uncomfortable. I don't think anyone's disagreeing

[1:25:27] on principle, but my question is more directly

[1:25:30] to take out what's not in, right? So

[1:25:34] if your request is to exclude those cars

[1:25:36] from contract, well, they're not We can always

[1:25:39] add them in next year after we have

[1:25:41] time. So my point is they're not in

[1:25:42] the contract now. So we don't That's not

[1:25:45] true. I don't see any language in here

[1:25:47] excluding them. There's also no language including them.

[1:25:52] So I don't contract requires us to replace

[1:25:57] any VA calls. I mean, we could sign

[1:26:00] the contract and never call you back, right?

[1:26:03] Yes. It would be a waste of all

[1:26:07] of our time. But we could do that.

[1:26:10] So like, to put into the contract that

[1:26:14] we won't do these vehicles I think that's

[1:26:28] fine. Don't candidly, I don't Maybe to get

[1:26:33] to where Diane wants to get to, is

[1:26:36] every year during budget season, we're going to

[1:26:39] allocate funds for leasing. When we do that,

[1:26:43] we say, okay, here's next year's game plan

[1:26:46] for vehicles, okay, counsel take a look at

[1:26:49] it. Nobody up here, I think, is going

[1:26:53] to make No, I wanted it to be

[1:26:59] clear that this is a really important discussion

[1:27:04] that needs to happen with the police department

[1:27:06] regarding all police vehicles. And, you know, before

[1:27:11] we move forward, because I heard reference to

[1:27:14] police vehicles several times this to be really

[1:27:18] clear that we have that discussion, and we

[1:27:20] have that agreement from the department before moving

[1:27:23] forward with transitioning any of the police vehicles.

[1:27:26] That's all I'm saying. I agree with Mr.

[1:27:29] Gale's position. Yeah. Yeah. Can I just say

[1:27:33] something? My understanding is that everyone agrees to

[1:27:35] that currently. With respect to those, was it

[1:27:40] eight cars? Eight. We'll figure that out later.

[1:27:43] They're not required to be included in the

[1:27:46] contract at We signed this tomorrow. We don't

[1:27:51] have to. Could I? Should I call for

[1:28:00] a motion? Do I have Oh, I'm sorry,

[1:28:03] Mr. Scott. Didn't know you had a question.

[1:28:16] Here it is. Where is the language concerning

[1:28:22] the Could I clarify just the contract? Leash

[1:28:35] of vehicles. How are you? The contract, just

[1:28:41] to clarify, the contract is not tied to

[1:28:44] specific vehicles, numbers of vehicles, quantity of vehicles.

[1:28:48] The contract applies to whatever vehicles ultimately the

[1:28:52] borough decides to put on a lease. If

[1:28:55] that is one vehicle, then all the terms

[1:28:58] and agreements would apply to that with the

[1:29:01] years. The verbiage in the contract will relate

[1:29:07] back to a quote in a vehicle schedule,

[1:29:10] which is vehicle specific. So it's an overriding

[1:29:14] general agreement that applies individually to the different

[1:29:17] vehicles. There's there's no language stating that you

[1:29:33] have to send us anything. If you do

[1:29:35] decide to execute and order a vehicle, then

[1:29:39] this contract applies to that specific vehicle. So

[1:29:43] if you exclude, which I would agree with,

[1:29:45] if the police vehicles haven't been fully vetted,

[1:29:49] then certainly due diligence, we can help you.

[1:29:51] And ultimately, if you get comfortable with that,

[1:29:54] fantastic. If it doesn't make sense, fantastic for

[1:29:57] you. Yes. If you lease a vehicle, go

[1:30:12] over the payment schedules that they have to

[1:30:15] remain insured, the use of the vehicles, those

[1:30:18] types of things. It's only those vehicles which

[1:30:21] we request? Yes. Framework under which Yes. Jason,

[1:30:37] our fleet manager, easiest thing to do is

[1:30:45] during the budget season, we come in and

[1:30:46] say, here's money allocated for leasing, and Burke

[1:30:52] Council can approve that. Number of vehicles go

[1:30:57] up and down every year based on the

[1:30:58] age of the vehicle. This year, if we're

[1:31:07] going to choose any vehicles to do this

[1:31:08] to before budget 2021, ask that we bring

[1:31:13] that through. We got lots of vehicles in

[1:31:16] here that we do. Yeah. I I would

[1:31:18] strongly if because I really don't think we

[1:31:23] want that thing. Sell it to somebody so

[1:31:26] that every time I drive past it I

[1:31:28] think it's a police officer and I stop

[1:31:29] at this point. And we may be to

[1:31:32] may be able to replace that with another

[1:31:33] vehicle, you know, from another department, but we

[1:31:36] surely want to get. And if Right. Under

[1:31:51] this rubric, sounds like that would be Yes,

[1:32:10] I agree. And we can work that out

[1:32:12] together and ensure that the budget that we

[1:32:16] present to council is set. Sounds good. Thank

[1:32:25] you. Mr. Allen has a couple moments. Oh,

[1:32:29] you woke up. I took a brief intermission.

[1:32:34] I'll be quick. I was just curious where

[1:32:41] so for the numbers that were calculated based

[1:32:43] on what we do now, there were three

[1:32:45] numbers. I wasn't sure where they came from.

[1:32:47] The one was that we budget $1,200 a

[1:32:51] year for preventative maintenance, the downtime from maintenance

[1:32:55] costs, the administrative costs. I was wondering where

[1:32:58] those numbers came from? This is I think

[1:33:02] that's our existing vehicles. I think we buy

[1:33:04] extended warranty, but not the state. We dollars

[1:33:11] 3,600 for a three year or five year.

[1:33:15] Yeah, basically all our vehicles come with extended,

[1:33:17] we buy all our vehicles from CoStar's with

[1:33:19] extended warranties. So, we outsource at that point,

[1:33:23] all our vehicles have extended warranties from the

[1:33:25] parking to all the way up to our

[1:33:28] trash trucks. So, every vehicle that we buy

[1:33:29] gets an extended warranty. That's the $1,200 Okay,

[1:33:34] Sure. And then, I was just wondering about

[1:33:36] the administrative costs, what that was in reference

[1:33:39] to. So, in addition to the warranties, there

[1:33:42] was also the cost of your parts here

[1:33:45] today. We excluded the cost of labor. Obviously,

[1:33:47] there would still be a need for labor,

[1:33:49] but just the cost of parts, that in

[1:33:51] tandem with the warranty, we said, okay, let's

[1:33:54] average that out over the fleet. About $100

[1:33:57] a month is where we came out to

[1:33:58] be. The administrative, we're going be taking a

[1:34:01] lot of the tracking off of your plate.

[1:34:04] So, we wanted to put a dollar figure

[1:34:05] to say how much of what you're doing

[1:34:07] today requires payroll that we can take that

[1:34:11] off of your plate. So, that's where that

[1:34:14] number came from. It was more exercise that

[1:34:16] we ran to see, well, we're acting as

[1:34:18] your fleet management department. What are some things

[1:34:21] that you don't need to worry about from

[1:34:23] an administrative standpoint? And then, the downtime for

[1:34:26] maintenance, that's it's lower in the lease arrangement

[1:34:29] than ours. I'm assuming that's because the turnaround

[1:34:31] time is faster for repair? Yes. Okay. That

[1:34:34] makes sense. And then, I heard a number.

[1:34:38] I can't remember exactly what it was for

[1:34:39] our total savings for ten years, like what

[1:34:41] that was projected to be? It's projected to

[1:34:44] be roughly $39,000 a year over the course

[1:34:47] of the next ten years on average. So,

[1:34:49] we came to about 3 and $90,000 over

[1:34:52] the course of ten years, which would be

[1:34:54] 19.5% from what you're paying today, based off

[1:34:56] of the numbers that we've looked at. Great.

[1:35:01] Thank you. Else from anyone else? I guess

[1:36:01] I was just worried about the percentage of

[1:36:04] the budget, that this is actually going to

[1:36:06] save. I just worry about the risk. I

[1:36:10] like to own the things that I have

[1:36:11] outright. And that's kind of where I'm coming

[1:36:14] from here. You own a home? Do you

[1:36:18] own a home, or do you rent? I

[1:36:20] rent. I'm doing my best though. I'm really

[1:36:23] trying. It's hard here. It's so hard. You

[1:36:26] heard this I was going to say when

[1:36:29] I rent, I also rent. I feel like

[1:36:31] I have a little bit less risk because

[1:36:33] I call my landlord, but it's analogy. Sorry.

[1:36:38] I'd like to make a motion that we

[1:36:39] enter in our agreement with Enterprise Leasing to

[1:36:44] lease house works vehicles and small cars. To

[1:36:50] approve the agreement. Second. Okay. Motion by Mr.

[1:37:00] Flynn, second by Ms. Polk. Doctor. Polk, I

[1:37:03] am sorry. Okay. Any more comments? Mr. Fallon?

[1:37:11] No. Mr. Stefano? Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes. Ms.

[1:37:16] Polk? Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Mr. Scott? Aye.

[1:37:19] Mr. Galley? Yes, the motion passes six to

[1:37:21] one. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate all

[1:37:25] your time. Thank you, Mr. Barnes. The next

[1:37:29] item is to approve the job description of

[1:37:30] the new assistant borough manager. We've been able,

[1:37:34] I think, to get this job description distilled

[1:37:38] down to one existing discussion point, which is

[1:37:42] the inclusion of a preference that the assistant

[1:37:50] borough manager either resides within 15 miles of

[1:37:53] the borough or is willing to reside within

[1:37:55] 15 miles. Did everyone get a copy? I

[1:38:05] emailed it to Mr. Scott, did you get

[1:38:07] yours? I bought one. That's exactly what we

[1:38:11] were looking for yesterday, so thank you. Sure.

[1:38:19] Do we have any additional comments about this

[1:38:23] aspect of the job description, or can't Don

[1:38:32] has a comment. Oh, not like last night.

[1:38:37] Just because I got such a bug last

[1:38:40] night about this. I called 16 other municipalities

[1:38:46] today, and none of them have residency requirements.

[1:38:50] Actually, a couple of people told me that

[1:38:53] they would not want to live where they

[1:38:55] were working for security reasons. However, one place

[1:39:00] does, Spring City, but they don't really enforce

[1:39:04] it all that stringently. But I just mentioned

[1:39:08] that because I spent an hour and a

[1:39:09] half calling all those places, that's why. We're

[1:39:11] always But otherwise, I don't have a problem

[1:39:13] with the way this is worded. Is anybody

[1:39:17] willing to make a motion? I make a

[1:39:19] motion. The job description as written. As written.

[1:39:26] Second. Motion by Mr. Flynn, seconded by Mr.

[1:39:29] Bracelin. Mr. Swallow? Yes. Swallow? Yes. Yes. Yes.

[1:39:35] Yes. Aye. Yes. The motion passes seven-zero. Thank

[1:39:40] you very much for all of your hard

[1:39:41] work. Thank you. Griffin, two more. I love.

[1:39:45] The next item was asked to be put

[1:39:47] on discussion by Mr. Scott, which is approval

[1:39:51] of the PICO pole attachment agreement. Mr. Scott

[1:39:57] sent us all some pictures today of some

[1:40:00] telephone poles. Well, if you want the GreenLake

[1:41:37] GO and the traffic signals all to be

[1:41:39] tied together, yes. We need the agreement for

[1:41:42] the GreenLakeGo grant application and the work to

[1:41:46] continue. For the sake of our product lines,

[1:41:48] we've got to approve this, right? I mean,

[1:41:53] I'll be more than happy to delve into

[1:41:56] some of this spaghetti. It kind of would

[1:41:58] look better with red sauce on it though,

[1:42:00] I think. And I'm not 100% sure if

[1:42:07] Verizon and these other carriers, if all under

[1:42:13] the PUC? We got to find out. That's

[1:42:18] the theory that I gave the answer to

[1:42:21] everyone. Those wires you see up there, none

[1:42:23] of them have hot power into them. They're

[1:42:25] all cable. They're all AT and T, old

[1:42:28] phone lines. They're booster boxes, and they're leftover

[1:42:33] cable as you can see, you know, like

[1:42:35] a ribbon. You can't get hurt from any

[1:42:38] of them because I touch them all the

[1:42:39] time because my roof is just next to

[1:42:41] it. And I cut away as many as

[1:42:43] I can. Oh yeah, I do. Yeah. And

[1:42:47] then when the Comcast guy comes, I tell

[1:42:49] him, I said, you know, run it underground.

[1:42:52] A little giant at home if you want

[1:42:53] to take care of this. Yeah, but that,

[1:42:56] as I said to Mr. Perrone, I'm not

[1:42:57] sure whether they're like the pipeline over in

[1:43:01] West Ocean, whether they're protected under the PUC

[1:43:04] regulations or the FCC, I don't know. Fine,

[1:43:08] I'll take a look and see if we

[1:43:11] can. Think what we're doing. Some clarification on

[1:43:13] who is responsible. I mean, unfortunately, agree with

[1:43:19] Bill, it does look rather horrific and it's

[1:43:21] kind of everywhere, not just here. Yeah, definitely.

[1:43:43] I think what we're talking about are two

[1:43:44] different things, right? One is, can we do

[1:43:48] anything to clean this up generally? The other

[1:43:50] is, do we want to have an agreement

[1:43:53] wherein PECO allows us to use their telephone

[1:43:56] poles to run cables so that people can

[1:43:58] get from my house to 202 more quickly?

[1:44:03] I have a vested interest in. I move

[1:44:06] the approval of she. Second. Second that. Motion

[1:44:11] by Mr. Scott, second by Mr. Stefano. Mr.

[1:44:15] Mellon? Mr. Stefano. Mr. Flynn. Yes. Ms. Polk.

[1:44:20] Yes. Mr. Bracelin. Yes. Mr. Schiller. Aye. Mr.

[1:44:23] Guehle. Yes. The motion passes seven zero. The

[1:44:26] next item on the Before we go to

[1:44:27] next item, can I Sure? So all I'm

[1:44:47] suggesting is that mister Burham start the whole

[1:44:51] world. And We'll actually be here next month.

[1:44:59] Council next month, delivering a message about tearing

[1:45:03] up the downtown again. So we'll have his

[1:45:07] undivided attention. Seems like we can show him

[1:45:20] the pictures next month. On to the approval

[1:45:27] of the revised Borough Of Westchester personnel policy.

[1:45:31] We didn't much discuss this last night because

[1:45:33] it was asked to be placed on that.

[1:45:41] Do Do you have any comments or concerns?

[1:45:45] I guess my two things I was worried

[1:45:48] about was first, we were talking about eliminating

[1:45:51] breaks for borough employees. I guess, is it

[1:45:55] technically one before and after lunch? Is that

[1:45:57] how it's structured? That's the way traditionally it's

[1:45:59] been, yes. Yeah. It was two fifty minute

[1:46:01] breaks and then, I was a little concerned

[1:46:04] about the vacation policy update as well. Agree

[1:46:08] over. Yes. Yes. What's your concern about it

[1:46:11] specifically? I was wondering if it actually addressed

[1:46:17] the issue that it was trying to solve,

[1:46:20] Cause it was too many people were saving

[1:46:24] their days and then who would want to

[1:46:25] take them at the same time? Is that

[1:46:27] That's a concern for quite a few of

[1:46:29] the departments. You have to understand that the

[1:46:31] people that are here have been here for

[1:46:33] a number of years, so the majority have

[1:46:35] four, five, six weeks vacation. So in in

[1:46:39] an effort to help that, if you take

[1:46:40] forty hours over to the following year, if

[1:46:43] you have to use it by March 31,

[1:46:45] at least that's been used. They're already getting

[1:46:48] another four, five, or six for that year,

[1:46:51] so that would add an additional week. So

[1:46:53] if you can use it that week, at

[1:46:54] least by March 31, that would help, you

[1:46:58] know, in scheduling, because we have to make

[1:47:00] sure, you know, departments are manned as they

[1:47:04] need to be. So that was the reasoning

[1:47:07] behind that. But that would be that doesn't

[1:47:09] solve everything, but it certainly does help in

[1:47:12] scheduling. Is there a process now for scheduling

[1:47:16] vacations that is consistent among different departments or?

[1:47:20] The department heads, the managers, directors schedule it,

[1:47:23] you know, as they as they can, so

[1:47:26] that the departments are adequately manned. But no,

[1:47:29] there's not one consistent way to do it

[1:47:32] across all departments. But we leave that to

[1:47:34] the department. The number of people in each

[1:47:36] department vary. At least in the building department,

[1:47:42] and other departments that I've been here for

[1:47:44] thirty some years, The number of folks in

[1:47:48] the tasks that need to be done, schedule

[1:47:51] their vacations accordingly. As far as I know,

[1:47:56] ever been, I think the only time I've

[1:47:58] ever had an issue was scheduling someone's And

[1:48:17] And she wanted to take a week's vacation.

[1:48:17] she getting married two and a half months.

[1:48:21] Probationary period was up, and she wouldn't get

[1:48:40] When? She just didn't get paid. Why do

[1:48:44] we need to update the policy then? Because

[1:48:46] currently, from department heads, transferring two weeks over

[1:48:51] to the difficulties in in the bigger departments.

[1:49:07] And in addition to that, it's important, if

[1:49:10] you look at studies, it's important that people

[1:49:12] take their vacation. It makes them better employees,

[1:49:15] less stress, better for the the borough as

[1:49:18] well. So sometimes we have to help in

[1:49:20] that effort because people are so, you know,

[1:49:23] I can't take this, I gotta be here.

[1:49:25] So, we can help in that. If we

[1:49:27] can say at least forty hours of your

[1:49:29] six, five or six weeks, we want you

[1:49:31] to take it within the first quarter. And

[1:49:34] that, you know, we, I think we'll see

[1:49:36] some benefit for the employees and for the

[1:49:38] borough. The amount of vacation time though, right?

[1:49:42] Well, we're taking forty hours over as opposed

[1:49:44] to eighty. Of the same total amount of

[1:49:47] vacation? Yes. Carryovers, you're asking. They can carry

[1:49:51] over half of what they used to if

[1:49:53] we passed this. Nobody's losing vacation time. No,

[1:49:57] I get that. It's it's less flexible. Right?

[1:50:00] It's that that's kind of how I'm seeing

[1:50:03] it. It's not well, you might look at

[1:50:05] it that way, but it's more therapeutic. I

[1:50:07] look at it that way. It's your perspective.

[1:50:11] Okay. More therapeutic than the mean that when

[1:50:16] people take their vacation time, they're less stressed.

[1:50:20] At the committee work session meeting I had

[1:50:23] a question whether having it, at least initially,

[1:50:28] made more sense than perhaps instead of going

[1:50:33] from 80 to 40, going from 80 to

[1:50:35] 60 and see how that works. And we

[1:50:38] can always then change that later, would be

[1:50:42] one option, and see how the employees feel

[1:50:46] about it. And then the other thing that

[1:50:47] we noted, and I don't know if it's

[1:50:49] in the policy, but everybody said it would

[1:50:51] be assumed that no matter what we adopted,

[1:50:55] if there was a change to that, that

[1:50:57] it would be effective 2021, not this year.

[1:51:02] If we carried over eighty hours under last

[1:51:05] year's policy, they would still get those. Absolutely.

[1:51:08] We're not going to delete forty hours, but

[1:51:10] carrying over next year to forty hours, everybody

[1:51:13] I have to use all of that time,

[1:51:15] say forty this year. And I think your

[1:51:17] point very well made because there are a

[1:51:19] lot of companies actually pushing to I'll be

[1:51:35] in a better mood next month. It's too

[1:51:37] early to be time off. Can't wait for

[1:51:42] summer, you know. It's foreign to me that

[1:51:45] I'll wait a couple of years, what? I'm

[1:51:47] taking my vacations out. Yeah, mean, I only

[1:51:50] get two personal days a year, so I

[1:51:53] don't have the flexibility. True. Where you have

[1:51:56] to rearrange your lessons and things like that,

[1:51:58] and summer when you're not really under a

[1:52:00] contract. Yes, sure. FYI. I love it. It

[1:52:07] helps a lot. So what about the again,

[1:52:11] have two different issues. One is the amount

[1:52:13] of time that's being carried over and the

[1:52:15] second is the requirement that it be used

[1:52:16] by a particular matter. The second issue? It's

[1:52:28] requiring it be used by the NMA. Yeah,

[1:52:29] I mean, you're the I'd be able to

[1:52:36] do that. Fair labor standards probably would not

[1:52:37] allow us to banks if we allowed it

[1:52:41] from January, at January 1. I would. I

[1:52:44] mean, if you said, if your policy says,

[1:52:48] you can carry over forty hours, but those

[1:52:51] forty must be used by March 31, and

[1:52:54] that on April. The federal or state law

[1:53:04] would prohibit. When it comes vacation time, the

[1:53:19] state law just enforces what the preexisting is

[1:53:24] at the bar, which is why we wouldn't

[1:53:25] take anything away. But going forward, we could

[1:53:28] absolutely enforce that and say, hey, didn't use

[1:53:30] it, sorry, we told you. Can certainly make

[1:53:35] a motion to is not to have that

[1:53:39] provision effective. I think it would help too,

[1:53:46] because I've had, somebody already carried over two

[1:53:50] weeks, you know. Absolutely. We have a lot

[1:54:01] of folks, I mean this is I guess

[1:54:02] more for the department. Amend any piece of

[1:54:15] that? It would be I mean, Potentially changing

[1:54:32] the date. It doesn't have to be at

[1:54:35] the end of a quarter even, could it

[1:54:37] be May 1 or I would just say

[1:54:41] eliminate that entirely. What if we just reduced

[1:54:44] it to a forty hour carryover and eliminating

[1:54:48] it to be used by that time? So,

[1:54:51] you you get to keep that forty hours.

[1:54:54] I suspect that that's really a that if

[1:54:56] someone's not taking that time in that timeframe,

[1:54:59] that there's a good reason for it, that

[1:55:01] the operational needs restrict that. Well, do mean,

[1:55:06] that's fine, but I do hear from some

[1:55:08] of the directors as we're getting into October,

[1:55:11] November, December that people who have not taken

[1:55:13] their vacation, everybody's trying to get it in.

[1:55:16] So I think It's only and you're only

[1:55:19] restricted on your carryover hours Exactly. Those four

[1:55:21] hours. That's not all the hours you have.

[1:55:23] It's just in the carryover. I mean, I'm

[1:55:25] fine leaving it as it is, but Like

[1:55:29] to see our employees be able to carry

[1:55:31] over all of their two weeks. We'll use

[1:55:35] it when they'd like. What's the current language?

[1:55:38] What's the date that you have in there

[1:55:39] now for the personnel policy that they have

[1:55:41] to use it by? The first quarter? For

[1:55:43] the proposed policy? Yes. By March 31. March

[1:55:46] '30 first. First The forty hours by March

[1:55:49] 31. But see again, in January they're getting,

[1:55:54] you know, all of their vacation for the

[1:55:55] new year. So. You've been here, I forget

[1:56:00] what the numbers are, but past Like, four,

[1:56:04] four weeks. After fourteen years, you get five.

[1:56:07] Five weeks. Plus five personal days. You're in

[1:56:10] the five week, You get six weeks starting

[1:56:13] January 1 if you carry 40 over. Like

[1:56:29] you don't get your six week or four

[1:56:30] weeks before you start to accrue throughout the

[1:56:33] year, correct? Like if you were to leave

[1:56:35] tomorrow, like you don't You may not have

[1:56:42] earned it for the year, but you We

[1:56:44] can take the year. Thoroughly your last paycheck

[1:56:47] would Reflect that, yeah. Aim back the vacation

[1:56:50] time. All right, your next, let's move on

[1:56:56] to the second issue, which was the fifteen

[1:56:57] minute wait. I mean, I think any rules

[1:57:02] like this, I think are really made for

[1:57:07] situations where you have and I'm not saying

[1:57:09] we do, but if you were to have

[1:57:11] a boss that was an issue, that you

[1:57:14] didn't feel like they were handling your workday

[1:57:17] in a fair, equitable way, that you would

[1:57:19] have protection to take a break when you

[1:57:22] needed it. And I'm not saying that's the

[1:57:24] case now, because from what you said last

[1:57:26] week, it sounds like employees have the opportunity

[1:57:29] to take their breaks as needed, and it's

[1:57:31] not a problem. If somehow a new department

[1:57:36] head were to take over with a demanding

[1:57:39] leadership style and someone needed that fifteen minute

[1:57:41] break, I'd like them to be protected by

[1:57:43] the personnel help. Then I'd I'd step in

[1:57:45] on that one. They'd be protected. No worries.

[1:57:49] Then I'd just like to see it codified

[1:57:51] then. Yeah. I wouldn't. In the policy. Yeah.

[1:57:54] I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with Nick's slightly

[1:57:56] in that. I agree that eliminating a specific

[1:57:59] rate is actually to everyone's benefit for a

[1:58:03] number of reasons. The first being, as the

[1:58:07] employee, working, and it was 09:30, and everybody

[1:58:20] started working again. And that's great, unless I

[1:58:23] had to go to the bathroom at 10:15.

[1:58:27] If that was the case, then I was

[1:58:28] waiting until 11:30. Please stop. You know, you're

[1:58:35] waiting until 11:30 to solve that problem, or

[1:58:37] you get a call from your mother or

[1:58:39] your wife or whomever, have to wait for

[1:58:42] that as the employee. So putting a more

[1:58:44] flexible break period is actually better for the

[1:58:47] employee, to your point, that they don't have

[1:58:50] somebody chasing them around the building asking where

[1:58:52] they are, that is why Karen is here.

[1:58:58] Absolutely. I guess that's not really how I

[1:59:00] imagined it working here, was that you got

[1:59:02] to pick when your fifteen minutes was. Well,

[1:59:04] let me explain. It it's really the mindset,

[1:59:08] and we have to take, you know, those

[1:59:11] of us who have just come on board

[1:59:12] and those of of those of us who

[1:59:13] are who have been here for a long

[1:59:15] time, we have to look at the way

[1:59:16] things are going on if if changes need

[1:59:18] to be made. I can tell you, in

[1:59:21] the mornings, people come in maybe around 09:00,

[1:59:24] nine fifteen, nine thirty, people go down to

[1:59:26] the kitchen, make a cup of coffee or

[1:59:28] whatever, they don't consider that a break. That's

[1:59:31] part of the regular day. But then when

[1:59:34] it gets to 10:00 and I want my

[1:59:36] fifteen minutes, that's the problem that that I

[1:59:40] it's an entitlement. It's in my head that

[1:59:42] I get fifteen minutes. Never mind the fact

[1:59:44] that I went and spent ten minutes. I

[1:59:46] popped over to Barbara. How was your weekend?

[1:59:48] What'd you do this weekend? You're getting your

[1:59:51] time. You're getting your breaks. But then you're

[1:59:53] gonna get another fifteen minutes just because in

[1:59:56] your mind, you're that's allotted to you. You're

[1:59:59] entitled to that break. So what I'm trying

[2:00:01] to explain is people are getting their time.

[2:00:04] It's just that they don't need to carve

[2:00:06] it out in addition to what they're already

[2:00:08] getting another fifteen minutes, and a fifteen minutes

[2:00:11] in the afternoon, because you're doing that all

[2:00:13] during the day. You've got the flexibility to

[2:00:15] get up, go talk to somebody, go stretch

[2:00:17] your legs. So that's that's the issue. How

[2:00:20] a professional workplace is supposed to You don't

[2:00:26] want your managers to be running around also

[2:00:30] and saying, Hey, why are you in the

[2:00:32] coffee room? Took I saw you took fifteen

[2:00:35] minute break between ten and 10:15. I mean,

[2:00:38] that is just It would get horrible. But

[2:00:41] here's what happens is, we see this particularly

[2:00:44] with employees who smoke, is that they go

[2:00:48] out and they take a cigarette break every

[2:00:50] five minutes It takes somebody with five minutes

[2:00:52] every hour, and they take their fifteen minute

[2:00:54] break, and then the manager's on somebody else

[2:00:57] for taking more time, and they're saying, well,

[2:01:00] Sally goes out and smokes every day for

[2:01:03] this and you end up as a manager

[2:01:09] feeling like a babysitter, going around and chasing

[2:01:12] people around to figure out when they took

[2:01:14] breaks, or the only alternate solution is to

[2:01:17] just not care, which is also not an

[2:01:19] efficient way to run an office. So the

[2:01:22] goal by not calculating the amount of time

[2:01:27] that people take off is to evaluate folks

[2:01:30] on their actual performance, not on whether they

[2:01:33] were sitting in a particular space at a

[2:01:34] particular time. Just to make sure that as

[2:01:40] an employee who's not doing well, then that

[2:01:45] should be addressed. Hey, you didn't get this

[2:01:47] to me on time. Maybe it's because you're

[2:01:50] outside every fifteen minutes, or, you know, maybe

[2:01:52] it's because you drink 17 cups of coffee

[2:01:54] a day, or you're at the water, you

[2:01:56] know, whatever the case may be. And again,

[2:02:00] the whole fifteen minute in the morning and

[2:02:02] fifteen minute in the afternoon, that was originally

[2:02:06] and probably still does happen in warehouses or

[2:02:09] factories, places where you don't have the flexibility

[2:02:13] to move. I know I worked in one,

[2:02:15] I was a supervisor at a brewery, and

[2:02:18] when you're those blinds are running, when that

[2:02:20] Budweiser and Bud Light and everything is coming

[2:02:22] down the line, you're standing there and whatever

[2:02:25] your function is, you do it. You don't

[2:02:27] have time to go get a cup of

[2:02:28] coffee or go chat with anybody. You do

[2:02:31] it until it's time for you to take

[2:02:32] your break. And then the line will stop.

[2:02:35] You go take your break, come back, and

[2:02:36] you punch out. You punch back in, start

[2:02:40] back up, and then you go again. So

[2:02:42] those people that are in those types of

[2:02:43] jobs don't have the flexibility that we do

[2:02:46] here. I think we just need to start

[2:02:48] treating people like adults and they need to

[2:02:50] take responsibility. On the flip side of that,

[2:02:52] you know what, You don't get to take

[2:02:54] a fifteen minute break today because you've got

[2:02:56] something that you need to do for your

[2:02:58] work, then you need to do that. All

[2:03:01] of you, I'm sure, have done that. You

[2:03:03] don't always get to take what you need,

[2:03:05] you know, the break at the time or

[2:03:07] the day or whatever. On the flip side,

[2:03:10] all of us have also had days where

[2:03:12] it's like, oh crap, it's 11:00, I should

[2:03:14] probably get some stuff done. That's your Exactly.

[2:03:19] I will say is I have never drafted

[2:03:22] a policy for a professional workplace that would

[2:03:26] implement a specific time period for break time.

[2:03:31] Lunch time can be a different story depending

[2:03:33] upon the work. I've never seen, been involved

[2:03:38] in litigation. A policy that said to a

[2:03:42] professional workplace, you have fifteen minutes at this

[2:03:47] time in the morning or this time in

[2:03:48] the afternoon. It's just Uncommon way. And then,

[2:03:54] I mean, we have department heads here, so

[2:03:56] if anybody None of them will say that

[2:04:03] they're not professional, because they can speak for

[2:04:06] themselves. But the other issue is, which we

[2:04:10] haven't talked about, the break period that people

[2:04:13] take today, and believe me, there's not a

[2:04:16] lot of people that take it, that I'm

[2:04:18] aware of. People do let smoke, but I

[2:04:21] don't know if it's fifteen minutes, five minutes,

[2:04:23] or ten minutes. Who's counting? Break period is

[2:04:29] paid time. Lunchtime is paid time that the

[2:04:36] taxpayers are paying for. That's part of the

[2:04:41] equation too. What I've seen, not here, industry,

[2:04:48] where people would, if they're entitled to fifteen

[2:04:50] in the morning, fifteen in the afternoon, but

[2:04:52] they don't take their fifteen in the morning,

[2:04:55] they add that to their lunch period. So

[2:04:57] now they get an hour and fifteen minutes,

[2:05:00] or if they don't take it in the

[2:05:01] afternoon, they leave early. Because they figured that's

[2:05:05] my fifteen minutes because it's been, I've never

[2:05:09] seen that in industry, you know, my industry,

[2:05:16] where you're guaranteed. Work till your job is

[2:05:20] done, and you're done, you're done. So now

[2:05:30] what do we do? Well, if enough people

[2:05:35] feel that the policy is presented is sufficient,

[2:05:38] then I'd like to make a motion we

[2:05:46] accept it as it's read and print it.

[2:05:48] Tomorrow. I'm going start watching the clock when

[2:05:56] we do take our breaks. We have a

[2:06:00] motion. Do we have a second? Second. We

[2:06:03] have a follow-up question. Can I put up

[2:06:06] an amendment to remove the section on vacation

[2:06:13] carryover and the fifteen minute break set? Asking

[2:06:22] Bernie if he'll amend his motion to remove

[2:06:26] those. Oh, I won't. Mr. Allen? Mr. Sopano?

[2:06:34] Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes. Ms. Paul? Yes. Mr.

[2:06:37] Riesling? Yes. Mr. Scott? Aye. Mr. Galley? Yes.

[2:06:42] The motion passes six to one. I got

[2:06:44] a I think it was a very long

[2:06:47] time before I was the one no vote

[2:06:49] on council. I'm being entirely serious that it

[2:06:55] takes a lot of guts to sit up

[2:06:57] here for your first full council meeting and

[2:07:00] disagree with everyone else. I am I'm drafting

[2:07:03] an email right now, apologizing for the time

[2:07:06] I just said. You can delete it. I'm

[2:07:09] going to say it. You're entitled to it.

[2:07:10] Then I know He's smarter to me as

[2:07:11] he may be right. I think he's smart.

[2:07:13] He's very smart. And there were times, because

[2:07:17] Mike uses it here, and there'd be times

[2:07:19] I'd look over at him just quietly say,

[2:07:21] You're being contrary. Maybe we should rearrange. All

[2:07:28] right, thank you. On to approve entering into

[2:07:31] a contract with Glassgoing to supply bituminous materials

[2:07:33] at a cost of Yes, and we did,

[2:07:40] I was satisfied with them today, I'd recommend

[2:07:43] the council approve Okay. Motion by Mr. Tazpano.

[2:07:55] Yes. Mr. Flynn. Yes. Polk. Yes. Mr. Bracelin.

[2:07:59] Yes. Mr. Scott. Mr. Galey. Yes. Don't get

[2:08:08] kudos. The next item is the consent agenda.

[2:08:14] Oh yeah, consent. Are we going to cover,

[2:08:17] Mr. Gallo, excuse me. We missed Parks and

[2:08:22] Rec last night. The update for was not

[2:08:25] on here. Counsel, the update on the summer

[2:08:30] parks program. Oh, you know what? Can we

[2:08:32] do the consent agenda and then just do

[2:08:34] that next? That should be easy. Can I

[2:08:37] get a motion on the consent agenda? I

[2:08:39] move. Right. Mr. Allen moves to accept the

[2:08:42] consent agenda. Do I have a second? Second.

[2:08:46] Bergeron seconds. Can you call the question? Mr.

[2:08:49] Allen? Yes. Mr. Stefano? Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes.

[2:08:51] Ms. Polk? Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Mr. Scott?

[2:08:54] Yes. Mr. Gellan? Yes. Thank you. All right.

[2:08:57] Thank you, Keith. Keith Kurowski, Director of Parks

[2:09:01] and Recreation. We discussed it at the Act

[2:09:03] Committee last week. Didn't get an exact recommendation

[2:09:07] and again wanted to present this to the

[2:09:08] entire council. Should have done it last night,

[2:09:11] kind of got passed over from the two

[2:09:13] marathons we've had. The information was there. If

[2:09:16] anyone else needs to see it in paper

[2:09:17] form, I have it here as well. It

[2:09:19] goes over the finance of our summer camp,

[2:09:21] what we're planning to do. Thanks, Keith. Thank

[2:09:26] you. You know what, I'll just pass them

[2:09:29] down. Thanks. We've been hard at work. The

[2:09:40] Melton Center and the Parks and Rec Department

[2:09:42] putting together this brand new program pretty much

[2:09:44] from scratch, of combining two programs into one.

[2:09:47] What you have is an outline in front

[2:09:48] of you that goes over the program on

[2:09:51] a summary basis and one that goes over

[2:09:53] on a financial basis. From the Act Committee

[2:09:55] last week, it seems like everyone's kind of

[2:09:57] in order and what we're looking to do.

[2:09:59] Again, we're cutting the camp program basically in

[2:10:01] half for number of children. That's based on

[2:10:03] resident numbers from the Melton Center last year

[2:10:05] and our excuse me, our residents from last

[2:10:08] year. We're rearranging the program to include more

[2:10:12] of a STEAM aspect, the science, technology, education,

[2:10:15] arts and math. So we're looking to build

[2:10:18] this program together, the Melton Center and the

[2:10:21] rec department to do what you guys asked

[2:10:23] us to do. And quite honestly, think we've

[2:10:24] done a pretty good job of laying the

[2:10:26] framework so far. Our pricing is right in

[2:10:28] line with other camps locally, especially the YMCA,

[2:10:31] which is another popular camp. Our program is

[2:10:34] eight weeks long. Theirs is ten. We are

[2:10:37] going to be working with the Y actually

[2:10:39] out of their airport row. We're going to

[2:10:41] be doing some swimming programs. On the back

[2:10:43] page of the summary, you can see that

[2:10:45] some of the other groups will be working

[2:10:46] with. And I'm just here to answer any

[2:10:49] questions you may have. We're looking to start

[2:10:51] our registrations on March 2. So I didn't

[2:10:54] want to do so without your approval. Do

[2:10:57] we have any questions for Chief? Yeah. Well,

[2:11:08] again, based on the time that I'll be

[2:11:09] putting into this new program, yes, hopefully in

[2:11:12] future years, with the way the programs will

[2:11:14] be built up. Oh, misunderstood. Oh, yeah. Not

[2:11:25] paid from that from the camp program. My

[2:11:27] apologies. No, that is a percentage of my

[2:11:28] salary based on my Okay. Unless you all

[2:11:32] would like to. Yeah. So, Yeah. So program

[2:11:37] coordinator, who's that? That's Allison Humphries. She's technically

[2:11:43] she's the event coordinator. Yeah, that's her percentage

[2:11:46] of salary. She makes less, but she puts

[2:11:49] in more time. On this particular Have you

[2:11:54] been doing this over the years? That is

[2:11:57] allocating Yes. Salary? Yes. And again, this was

[2:12:02] worked on initially from the Parks and Rec

[2:12:04] staff along with the finance department to get

[2:12:07] those numbers, those kind of unforeseen numbers, the

[2:12:11] workers' comp, the insurance, the liability, things of

[2:12:13] that nature that you don't normally see. So

[2:12:15] we did that first before we started moving

[2:12:17] into the programming aspect of things. That's when

[2:13:54] I did the cost analysis on all the

[2:13:56] events. Yeah. Well, this is, I'm assuming, what

[2:14:05] percentage of your time is spent working on

[2:14:07] this program? Exactly. Yes. And and to focus

[2:14:28] more on the residents and to add an

[2:14:31] educational aspect to the program. Or more of

[2:14:34] an education aspect, I should say. And to

[2:14:38] doing the partnership with the Dental Center, we're

[2:14:41] in position to develop programs. Which is, in

[2:14:44] all honesty, been really great. I've been working

[2:14:46] with Ken and Jamie, and we've had numerous

[2:14:49] meetings and everyone's on board. Again, trying to

[2:14:52] make this our program as a whole, not

[2:14:54] theirs and ours, but ours. I think it

[2:14:56] would be really good. Yes, Commission has been

[2:15:00] involved. Absolutely. We've been asked, they've been asked

[2:15:02] to come to every meeting we've had. We've

[2:15:04] had Chantel, we've had Joyce Neal in the

[2:15:06] chair. Unfortunately due to scheduling with the core

[2:15:10] four, most of these meetings are during the

[2:15:12] day. So a lot of the folks can't

[2:15:13] make it. Okay. Thank you. Absolutely. This is

[2:15:25] just borough residents now. There's no non as

[2:15:28] of right now, based on the numbers that

[2:15:30] we have, we're basing some two buses, 90

[2:15:32] kids. The Mountain Center had 30 to 35

[2:15:34] children. We had 40 to 45 to 50.

[2:15:37] So we're looking at 75 to 85 residents,

[2:15:40] which will only leave us enough space on

[2:15:42] the two buses for the kids and the

[2:15:44] staff. We get 100 people on the buses.

[2:15:46] So we're figuring our staff again based on

[2:15:48] what you see here, less kids, less staff.

[2:15:51] So basically just borough residents. Most definitely borough

[2:15:54] residents. I just think that was kind of

[2:16:01] a point of content. Yes. I think we

[2:16:15] need to vote on this but is there

[2:16:16] any objection to the Want to fill you

[2:16:20] all in? Keith, I think this is really

[2:16:22] good work. Cool. Thank you. Nice. Thank you.

[2:16:35] Kind of want to go to this camp.

[2:16:36] I was thinking the same thing. I was

[2:16:38] thinking I wish this was in place when

[2:16:40] my children were young. This looks great. Put

[2:16:49] that in the personnel manual. Do we have

[2:16:55] any other business from anyone here? Alright, seeing

[2:17:00] none, we are adjourned. Consentative. Consentative. Consentative. Consentative.

[2:17:07] Nice try. Council members, there are some resolutions

[2:17:11] going around. Please don't leave until you have

[2:17:13] signed those. Wish we didn't wait till to

[2:17:19] meet the best.

Voting Session - February 19, 2020

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