[0:02] Welcome to the planning board meeting for August 27th. Our next meeting is

[0:06] September 10th. Please stand for the pledge.

[0:10] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:15] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:21] justice for all.

[0:28] We have a decision for Lan Realy 11 Hazelwood Avenue.

[0:34] Anybody here for the applicant? Um, wave the reading. We need a motion

[0:40] to accept the resolution as written. So moved.

[0:43] » Second. >> All in favor?

[0:45] » I. >> Uh, we'll begin with the work session.

[0:49] Sherman Properties LLC, 61 Sunset Avenue,

[0:54] » you're right.

[1:00] You guys can talk about it because it's a work session. Comments and

[1:05] chang.

[1:08] » Okay. >> Well, we've got the comments and there

[1:10] aren't any real objections. I mean, this is really a defensive maneuver. Try to

[1:16] keep the people in the 7-Eleven safe from the crazies.

[1:23] propert.

[1:46] Well, I I think that's an enforcement activity that we've really got to pay

[1:50] attention to and insist this is the opportunity we have.

[1:55] » Yeah. Having garbage on their >> right.

[2:01] [snorts] From what I understand, they moved those

[2:04] garbage pales inside because people were using them as their garbage pales for

[2:08] from their cars. >> Because people were using them as

[2:11] village garbage pales. [laughter]

[2:15] » Well, I think we should ask that the uh site be restored to the approved site

[2:20] plan that includes the shrubbery and the garbage cans. And if that can be

[2:27] conditional, I think then we could move forward.

[2:34] Yes, I agree.

[2:48] You really don't want them coming in the store.

[2:51] » More of a bash one. >> They're not Look, they're not good.

[2:54] » So, will you wait make a recommendation?

[3:01] » Okay. >> And I'd like to see them not be black.

[3:04] » Okay. >> Do we want bright, bright yellow?

[3:08] » No. >> No. So, what do we want

[3:09] » then?

[3:13] » So, what color?

[3:19] maybe like a skin tone, >> you know, at park if you set if the

[3:24] parking stalls are >> if the parking stalls are 10 foot, you

[3:28] know, you have an opportunity to drive between them. So, I would split in the

[3:31] middle and I would say six foot centers instead of 4 foot centers,

[3:36] » you know, so you can't drive. So, it'll catch and even at six foot centers, it

[3:40] doesn't catch every car.

[3:45] Yeah, most of them.

[4:05] If you when you go there late at night, there's not a lot of cars there. That's

[4:10] the opportunity to drive in between them. That's I'm just looking at it

[4:14] like, hey, tight them up. You know, not 10 foot on center, but maybe six

[4:22] » about

[4:26] Yeah, we'll you'll catch almost all of them at six foot. So, that's just my

[4:31] thoughts.

[4:34] » So, we'll give the applicants some suggestions and have them come back.

[4:40] » No yellow balls.

[4:55] Yeah.

[5:03] » All right. That's I guess there's a bunch of little issues.

[5:08] » Is that it? Anybody else? >> Done.

[5:11] » No, I think it's covered. Yeah. I or I was going to say on the north and south

[5:15] side of that building there's brick walls where you might be able to let up

[5:19] on the distance between the b not have as many on each on each end

[5:26] » where there's brick walls >> where one is probably going to aim for

[5:29] the front door or the glass areas but you know

[5:38] Yeah, [laughter]

[5:42] » I six butt centers sounds good to me. >> Welcome.

[5:49] » Yes, >> we heard from you. That's enough.

[5:52] » That's enough from me. >> How about Dave? He hasn't been talking.

[5:55] » I will defer to the collective. >> We'll leave it. That will allow the

[6:01] experts to uh render opinions to the applicant and we'll revisit

[6:07] 158 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach LLC. 162 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach,

[6:14] » LLC.

[6:21] » Okay. >> Hey, members of the board, thanks for

[6:25] your time tonight. My name is Brian Teeman and I am representing um the

[6:30] ownership of the uh the properties, the subject properties. Um in short, what

[6:37] [clears throat] our tenants are looking to do is to um

[6:42] basically operate the way Eerts used to operate um by putting some paint on

[6:48] things and making things look a little bit better, so to speak. Um

[6:52] so we're looking for um for site plan waiver. Um we have and you know there's

[6:59] been a lot of talk as we know in our small village. Um down the road um our

[7:06] tenants might have ideas of of other things at which time we will come to you

[7:12] beforehand discuss um and see see what's uh see what everyone likes. But for the

[7:18] time being, they'd like to just open um they have their uh permit application in

[7:24] with the board of trustees for outdoor seating, which um includes some uh

[7:30] outdoor lighting, seasonal. Um and that's really that's really all. Um we

[7:35] got your comments today. Um so I'd be happy to go through them with you if you

[7:41] would like to hear or if you'd like written response. uh just let you know

[7:46] let me know how you want to handle that and um we're happy to accommodate.

[7:50] » Well, I think um we were clear when you got those today that we wouldn't be

[7:53] commenting or making the changes today. So,

[7:57] » okay.

[8:04] » Bren, do you want to start off

[8:08] [laughter] >> How about Brad?

[8:11] » Yeah. So, the comments were just It's really just

[8:18] fence.

[8:38] one big question. >> Yeah, I can I can address all those

[8:43] things. One is uh Brad, we got the note about site plan versus survey marked up.

[8:50] So, we'll get that taken care of. Um we'll get it formalized as a site plan

[8:54] overlay, so to speak. >> [clears throat]

[8:57] » Um the um handicap accessibility

[9:03] question on that. Would Brad, you and I were at the site. Um would like a

[9:08] concrete pad be the most logical thing for the first

[9:13] parking spot area that can get directly to the front door.

[9:17] » Concrete or asphalt.

[9:22] Sure.

[9:30] » From either side of the car, probably, right? Yeah. Okay. I mean, that makes

[9:34] sense. So, with the board's permission, you know, we would want to uh rectify

[9:39] that with a with a pad. We'll look into what material would be best for it. Um

[9:45] » stop >> on the road.

[9:50] That doesn't Yeah, that doesn't doesn't count for it.

[9:57] » So, it's a it's a good question, Ron. Um, so the funny thing is

[10:02] it's we call it we're calling it a parking lot, but it's really only a

[10:07] cleared space on a vacant property that has been defaulted to a parking lot. So,

[10:10] I'm not really sure how it should be handled.

[10:13] » That was really bad. [laughter] >> Take notes, Jim.

[10:20] Why do I see the picture of a duck and I hear the quacking of a duck? [laughter]

[10:25] » So, I just I'm putting that out there because we want to handle it however the

[10:29] village wants to handle it. So,

[10:39] Sure.

[10:48] » The curbs. Yeah.

[10:56] » Yeah.

[11:06] » One of the things you talked about

[11:14] A lighting what?

[11:37] » Straight it up.

[11:43] spotlights or anything. >> You have to be real careful.

[11:50] » Would that be under the >> perviewed one way or the other? It's got

[11:53] to be defined. >> That's under the perview of the board of

[11:56] trustees though, right? >> Yes.

[12:03] They will enterain temporary

[12:20] There's no permanent lighting on this.

[12:26] » No, not permanent. No, not at this point. No.

[12:33] » Dumpster detail. >> Sure.

[12:38] Um, so the third thing that Brad had brought

[12:42] up that I wanted to address is the shed. Um, the shed has been improved and fixed

[12:47] up. It was fallen down, doors were missing, etc. Um, maybe down the road,

[12:52] we'd love to talk to you about maybe some sort of use of it, but at this

[12:57] point, we're not looking for any permission of use of it or use of it at

[13:02] all. Um, we want to keep the outside the way

[13:06] it was when Eerts was there. Um, I don't know how we need to handle the shed

[13:11] going forward, but um, for all intents and purposes, it's

[13:17] structurally sound now and not intended to be used.

[13:26] » Yes. So, I would notate as such. >> Okay.

[13:32] You didn't make any changes.

[13:48] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[13:52] » For storage only. Maybe >> something along those lines.

[13:58] » Sure. Okay.

[14:06] Okay.

[14:10] » It is on that application already and noted about this application.

[14:15] » Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. A little cleaning up and we'll see

[14:21] you again, I guess. >> Yeah. I don't think Do we have to see

[14:23] him again?

[14:36] Well, I think we can rely on you to uh handle that.

[14:42] » Mr. Chairman, I'd like to move forward. I think it's a good business. Um I see

[14:48] I've been in the espion operation. It's outstanding. And um I did go by the site

[14:53] today and I did see that shed, that nice looking shed you have in that that north

[14:58] northwest corner of the property. >> I want to rent it for the summer.

[15:02] » And and and in terms of the lighting, although it's not in our wheelhouse,

[15:05] it's with the trustees, it's lighting that's not going to affect anyone

[15:09] because there's no residential area. There's no

[15:11] » to that to that point, Don. It's temporary.

[15:15] » Unlike the seasonal seating on Main Street and closer to the downtown area,

[15:21] you are abudding or getting reasonably close to the residential property. It's

[15:25] not >> in front of the on the street. It's

[15:28] behind the building and what some of us in this end of town have experienced

[15:32] with the movie theaters morphing nightclub slashbar west

[15:38] whatever it is. Um, you know, it's, you know, it's run pretty late at night.

[15:43] there has been some, you know, concerns and some unhappiness.

[15:48] » So, I'm not saying that's what you're going to do. I'm just saying to the

[15:51] extent that that gets brought up with trustees with the lighting, hours of

[15:55] operation, um noise abatement, music, that kind of thing. Just have those

[16:00] concerns raised at least. >> Are you seven days a week or or five

[16:05] days a week? >> Um I think we'll probably start at

[16:08] seven. >> Okay.

[16:15] And to your point, uh, Dave, um, additionally, I think one of the

[16:20] comments in, uh, the report from you guys was, um, talking about optional

[16:26] rear yard landscape buffer, >> which I think could be a good thing to

[16:30] discuss >> uh, for the benefit of residential.

[16:35] » You know, like I said, if you're going to be stringing those lights that you

[16:38] get at Home Depot, that's one thing. I think it's more noise issue, amplified

[16:43] music, you know, right? >> These things sudden do tend to happen.

[16:47] You know, nobody's really thinking about it. It's just like, "Oh, let's do that.

[16:50] That sounds like a good idea." >> This isn't going to be Scarlet's front

[16:52] yard, though. >> What are the hours of operation?

[16:56] » Hours of operation. >> I think it's it's it's not going to be

[17:00] late.

[17:03] Whether it's 9:00 or 10 o'clock

[17:12] [laughter]

[17:15] » have a working partner, huh? >> It's not going to be just a breakfast

[17:18] place anymore. >> No.

[17:21] » Okay. >> Good.

[17:25] I'll still go I'll still go to your >> Spiancor.

[17:29] [laughter]

[17:31] » Hopefully there'll be some more seats now in

[17:33] » Spianc Larry. Any input?

[17:36] » Uh, no. Looking forward to seeing it all built.

[17:41] » Dave, >> other than what I've said? No.

[17:44] » My piece. >> Okay.

[17:46] » Thank you all. >> All right. Thank you.

[17:51] West Hampton Performing Arts Center, 76 Main Street.

[18:03] » Good evening for the applicant, James N. Hume, 323 Mill Road, West Hampton Beach.

[18:07] And we have the Julian, the executive director, and our architectural support.

[18:12] Um, I've been to so many of these meetings about this, I've kind of

[18:16] forgotten what we've told to who, but just real simply, uh, we're looking to

[18:22] um remove some existing structures from the uh the plan from the the site and

[18:29] provide an 8,900 square foot um addition to the back of the property and some

[18:34] pretty extensive renovation internally, mainly with the goal of uh creating more

[18:40] seating. uh so that at for the same tick price

[18:44] we'll have more revenue so that we can afford to bring in bigger names and

[18:49] larger groups of people u is really what we're about. We're just um this is on a

[18:56] work session so we're not even public hearing stage yet. I think because of

[18:59] the size of the building we well I know because of the size of the building

[19:03] we've filed the special permit uh application to the trustees

[19:08] um because it exceeds the uh the code limit for square footage and we met with

[19:14] them last last week last week uh and had a brief discussion with them about this

[19:19] project and we're here to uh get this project moving with you guys as well. Um

[19:26] I think the big issue here is the initial issue here will be uh secret if

[19:31] I'm not mistaken. Um so I don't know where you want to go

[19:38] from here but we're to discuss any aspect.

[19:42] » We we we given some thought to to seeker on this and uh the

[19:49] the trustee the real big issue in this is going to be parking and the impact on

[19:54] parking. That's that that's the big issue. And right now the trustees are

[19:59] revamping, you know, there's a parking moratorum and the trustees are revamping

[20:04] the parking code and what we're contemplating is that the

[20:09] trustees will end up taking jurisdiction over

[20:13] parking. We're not going to call them variances anymore. They're going to be

[20:16] parking special permits. That's the what's being contemplated

[20:21] um at least for the downtown area because that's the area where it's

[20:27] municipal parking and the impacts are going to be on the municipality as a

[20:30] whole as opposed to any individual site. So, um at least our initial

[20:38] thought, you know, Brad and I talking about it is that the trustees really are

[20:43] likely to be the lead agency on this. um because of all the work they're

[20:48] working on as far as the the new parking plan for the downtown

[20:54] area. So, and I don't think we've seen anything quite like this in terms of the

[20:59] size of a like a variance application for parking,

[21:04] but um they'll figure out how to handle it and the new code will contemplate how

[21:09] to handle it. So most likely it it it's going to make more sense for them to be

[21:16] lead agency on this. >> As much as I love seeing you guys and

[21:21] we'll be able to see you anyway. >> Doesn't mean you won't.

[21:23] » I agree. I agree with the council's analysis. I think the the over

[21:28] overriding issue here is the parking and uh that's in the trustes hands both

[21:34] because of the special permit and because of the change of the law. So I

[21:38] think that makes a lot of sense to Put the lead agency there as opposed to

[21:43] here.

[21:49] » Don, >> Don, why don't you start?

[21:52] » I just have a >> Let's get the experts.

[21:54] » I need I just need

[21:58] » Who'd like to go first? >> There we go. [laughter]

[22:03] » Obviously broadstrokes. I would I don't like to see what that protected

[22:10] » because you are proposing this sort of mass behind the facade which is my very

[22:16] iconic east end of Long Island very important

[22:19] » obviously

[22:25] you know it's something of that magnitude

[22:29] » um and then I just sort of said you know it's a very large 65%

[22:36] So I think we should probably provide some data points that show

[22:41] you 500 tickets or we have this you know year round demand or some sort of

[22:47] operational number >> going to need the seats for the NBA

[22:50] games. >> Yeah. Why the Knicks are going to repeat

[22:54] again?

[23:06] » We all think

[23:15] » we could certainly provide the facade easement. Um there's several other

[23:20] levels of protection for that. One is that because of that easement, we're

[23:25] right now have an application pending before the um historic board, landmarks

[23:29] board for the town uh and uh because they need to approve this project

[23:33] because of the terms of the easement. And one of the conditions that they have

[23:37] imposed is a letter from the CPF people who provided the funds pursuant to the

[23:42] easement to confirm that uh what we're proposing is within the scope of what we

[23:49] agreed to in that easement. But we'll be happy to provide a copy of the easement

[23:53] itself. >> Approval, not just advisory.

[23:58] » No, we need to get a certificate of um >> should they be an involved agency?

[24:05] That's the first time I'm hearing that. So they should be an involved agency for

[24:09] secret purposes. >> I agree.

[24:13] » Landmarks and historic town Southampton. >> Southampton.

[24:18] [clears throat] >> It's interesting.

[24:22] » And then just you know as you evolve along the process more of a site

[24:25] planning issue which is to say you know you're removing these twotory structures

[24:30] that kind of have open space around them. I think we might want to

[24:34] the north side of the property and how we can preserve some of that reserve

[24:41] use. Um, but I think we may need to soften that mask if we have the

[24:45] opportunity.

[24:49] » Yeneral, >> Sure. Understood.

[24:52] » Understood.

[25:23] Even at night when lights are off. We can't do that. Sorry.

[25:32] I'm not sure

[25:35] it's probably

[25:44] » major piece of this. Yes.

[25:57] We could stick to conceptual for now. I mean, it makes the most sense for secret

[26:02] purposes to stay conceptual and not get into the fine engineering stuff yet

[26:08] until the real

[26:12] broad strokes are worked out. >> Yeah, I agree.

[26:15] » You don't have to spend money on >> that yet, right?

[26:19] » Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah.

[26:27] Right. >> Yeah.

[26:41] The trustes are going to be handled as we talked about.

[26:51] covering.

[27:13] » Understood. >> We'll talk about that.

[27:19] redo the arithmetic at a minimum. >> Sure.

[27:38] » Right now it is based on

[27:46] like

[27:49] something that >> Yeah, we can't rely on Rio Delben to run

[27:54] into the back of the building anymore to provide contrasts, but

[28:00] we will obviously take a look at that. Maybe a drive-in movie in that back lot.

[28:04] [laughter] >> That's an idea.

[28:07] » Requires a whole bunch more parking, but [laughter]

[28:11] » Don, >> yeah, just just two minutes. First of

[28:13] all, congratulations on the grant money. I know you probably worked hard on that.

[28:17] Been involved with that with nonprofits and it's a lot of paperwork and it's

[28:21] more of a problem getting paid as you go along. You you'll see that though. Um I

[28:27] have two things I just want to ask you on your demolitions. Is this beautiful

[28:31] home of Sunset being demolished >> where the gate is?

[28:35] » Yes, >> it is.

[28:36] » Yes. >> Okay. I just want to hand this to my

[28:39] planning board members. Although it's out of our wheelhouse possibly.

[28:42] » Um >> you have someplace to put it

[28:45] » one for the record. >> Donated.

[28:46] » No. Unless you want to move it. [laughter]

[28:48] » We don't. >> We don't move houses anymore.

[28:50] » No. Okay. >> Um my other question is I when this

[28:53] first hit the papers, I think in March or April, we talked about profit margin

[28:58] on tickets >> and um there's a big concern here. I

[29:02] represent the village taxpayers of course on this board.

[29:05] » Um and there's a um a major problem with tickets where we can go to the board the

[29:12] the ticket booth Wednesday and Sunday but when you go online you get stuck

[29:17] with all these brokers that charging 75% higher.

[29:22] » How does the brokers work? Do you get a piece of that action?

[29:25] » No, not at all. >> Can you avoid them?

[29:26] » No, >> you can't avoid them.

[29:28] » No, they can. anybody can purchase tickets from the theater. So we have a

[29:32] lot of um safeguards in place to try to prevent against fraud because you know

[29:36] there's third party um ticket sellers who just buy them up and resell them in

[29:40] an unfortunately legal way but then there are some that um are selling uh

[29:45] fraudulently and and it's it's a mess and uh you know New York State the

[29:51] attorney general I know is trying to crack down across the country

[29:54] everybody's trying to crack down on it but it's really

[29:56] » just to make myself clear I represent the taxpayers of the village of

[30:01] Westester Beach and I think you might want to

[30:04] consider an idea where village residents could get a little more of a discount on

[30:07] the tickets for some events. >> I think with increased capacity that's

[30:11] very possible. >> Okay, very good. That's all I have.

[30:15] Chairman. >> Yeah. Uh my only concern would be the

[30:20] north and the west facade. Uh looking straight off in front, you got to get a

[30:24] mile back to be able to see what we proposed up on the roof.

[30:30] You know, that's my only concern. Um I I think the four square house that's in

[30:36] the rear is a nice old house. U it's not an

[30:41] architectural gym, I would say, but uh and the barber shop and uh historical

[30:48] society's got the barber pole. I don't I don't know if that means

[30:52] » you could have a nice building, [laughter]

[30:54] » but the inside of that building has been >> grants for that.

[30:58] » Yeah. [clears throat] >> renovated over time. So, it's it's an

[31:02] office. It's not There's no remnants of the barber shop or uh Ria's presence

[31:08] there in the house any longer. >> It's a nice house.

[31:17] » They're pulling down nicer ones. They have

[31:22] » bulldozing them every day. >> It's what we do in West Hampton.

[31:27] » Well, hopefully in return we're providing a benefit.

[31:30] » This would be the rare occasion. >> Yeah. Benefits the village.

[31:35] » Mr. Roy, >> I just have to channel my inner Paul

[31:39] Hulahan here. Um, >> no, it is what it is

[31:43] » from. [laughter] I didn't believe you me. I know this is

[31:46] three decades in the past, but >> my recollection of the whole

[31:50] preservation movement >> was to preserve the small town feel of a

[31:55] movie theater to just you know have that kind of venue

[32:01] preserved and um

[32:05] if we do this I think that defeats the purpose.

[32:08] » You want the NBA there? >> It's just you know it's just that's what

[32:12] it was designed. That's why it was preserved the way it was preserved. As

[32:16] Julian knows, I've spent most of the last decade there. And, you know, I

[32:21] enjoyed every time I was there because of the way it was laid out. And, you

[32:26] know, I could show my kids what it was like when I used to go watch movies

[32:29] there. And it's a it's a continuation thing. And I just think the the way it

[32:33] is is is part of the community. And I I would just hate to lose that.

[32:37] » Yeah, I understand. And I'm sorry to say this, but um and Dave, you know how much

[32:41] I love this theater. I've been there for 18 years, but one thing I've learned in

[32:45] 18 years and especially since CO is I I don't mean to sound doomsday about it,

[32:50] but I don't think the theater will be able to sustain at 425 seats. And if I

[32:54] thought it could, believe me, I I I believe in the intimate nature of the

[32:59] auditorium. I love that it's a conversation between artists, but I know

[33:02] John's going to speak to this in a second. We have done everything we can

[33:05] in the design to uh retain the intimacy of the theater. That's so important, but

[33:10] we need to have more seats. the cost of acts. We want to bring in high quality

[33:14] worldclass. You know, in 2011, 12,13, you probably all remember we had

[33:18] Blondie, the B-52s, uh Cindy Looper. I mean, these are huge names that are

[33:23] completely out of our reach now. And even if we can get the marquee name

[33:27] artists, the tickets are so wildly expensive and we just we're not going to

[33:31] be able to sustain. We're facing ticket price resistance. um people don't want

[33:36] to pay more than $150 per ticket, understandably so in the the economic

[33:40] times we're in. And so I think again with community in mind, I think we have

[33:45] to do everything we can to preserve um the history and the intimacy of the

[33:49] room, but I think we really have to think in terms of how this theater is

[33:52] going to exist for the next generations to come.

[33:55] » John, do you want to speak to this? >> John Rose, architect. One of our

[34:00] specialties is historic preservation work. Um we do a lot of landmark work

[34:06] and as a kid I also attended that theater. I recognize how important it is

[34:11] and the state and obviously will make us preserve it but it's really important

[34:15] that when this is all done it's all put back together from the inside you really

[34:20] won't feel much of a difference. Yeah, the stage is getting bigger but the

[34:24] fabrics, the seating style, the general layout is remaining the same. The front

[34:28] entrance will not be it'll be repaired where it's falling apart a little bit,

[34:32] but it's going to stay exactly the same. You won't be able to see the lion share

[34:36] of the work until you turn the corner. As you know, there's a building on the

[34:40] corner that hides everything but the front of the building. That won't change

[34:44] from Main Street. You won't be able to see what we're doing from Main Street.

[34:48] You got to go around the back. So, I get it. You're right. It's a really special

[34:53] place and it's going to stay that way.

[34:59] Will we be able to get the circus back? [laughter]

[35:06] » That's all it takes. >> Rock, you know, I I listen to what Dave

[35:11] said and I'm just thinking about how much change we've seen in the village,

[35:17] you know, in the last 10 years, how many different buildings have come in and

[35:21] knock, you know, the structures have been knocked down. And I think

[35:27] the expansion is pro, you know, also to keep it alive economically, I think the

[35:31] expansion is justified, right? Um, I think in the process of

[35:38] trying to figure it out, I think the elephant in the corner is part

[35:42] » and and just my thoughts as a contractor, I'd want to figure that out

[35:47] before I burn a lot of money moving forward.

[35:50] » But that's that's my thoughts on that. >> Top of the list.

[35:53] » Yeah. because I mean you can go all the way and then the parking falls apart

[35:57] » all these issues and >> we're we're certainly aware [laughter]

[36:02] » so that's >> working with the trustees and with

[36:06] » yeah I'm I'm sure architecturally you'll bring it you you'll bring it in line

[36:10] » you don't have a choice >> well well exactly don't have a choice

[36:14] but so that that's my thoughts that's that's

[36:18] what I'm thinking >> thank you

[36:21] do you want to make some comments are you for this application.

[36:26] » Spectator.

[36:35] » Um, off the top of my head, no. But in my records, since I've been involved

[36:40] since the very first shovel, I think I could find that out.

[36:46] » It's just my curiosity. >> Yeah. No, we can we can find that out.

[36:54] Well, I think this is really going to wind up in the lap of the trustees more

[36:58] than the planning board for the immediate future. So, I don't know when

[37:02] we'll be seeing you again. So,

[37:06] and I think I don't think you have a direction that you need to go into at

[37:10] this moment in order to proceed with the path you need to go down. So, I don't

[37:15] really think this board has any more significant comments than other than I

[37:21] think you need to say that you choose not to be lead agency.

[37:24] » Well, we'll we'll get that start. We got to get the

[37:27] » process started with the trustees and >> I'll probably do that at the next

[37:32] meeting. So, it's a couple couple weeks, right?

[37:36] » There's also and Britain would know there's a hold over on the property

[37:40] north of the rear of the theater right now. Am I correct, Britain?

[37:44] » There's a hold over right there because they want to do something there also.

[37:48] There's a lot of development going on. >> You know about that or not, Jim, but

[37:51] there's >> Yes. Oh, no. I'm fully aware. Yeah.

[37:53] » Okay. >> I'm not representing them.

[37:56] » Pardon me. >> What effect?

[37:58] » What effect it has on you or them? I I'm not sure, but

[38:17] Is that next week? >> First Thursday. Oh my god. [laughter]

[38:22] » It's September. >> It's September already.

[38:29] » Do we um need to do anything for that? Do we need to come?

[38:32] » No, I don't.

[38:44] first week of September.

[38:48] » There's so many involved agencies that we have to send out.

[38:52] » You know, we're not going to get like an individual waiver here and there and

[38:55] speed up the process. So, we we just have to go through that process and

[39:01] » Okay. Well, we will see you at some point and

[39:04] we will look forward to it. Thank you for working with you on this.

[39:07] » Nice seeing you, John. >> Just like to say I really do appreciate

[39:11] and take all the comments to heart. >> Thank you.

[39:18] » Okie dokie. Um, we're going to engage in a secret discussion regarding 220 Dune

[39:25] Road. >> Yeah. So, I can report back. Um, we told

[39:31] you we would address it with the zoning board. They have no problem deferring to

[39:37] the planning board to be lead agency. So I I think with your

[39:43] holding of the board last time, what we could probably use would be just

[39:48] a resolution um

[39:52] instructing staff to get that process started to to let the involved agency

[39:57] know involved agencies know that you're electing to

[40:03] uh or requesting to proceed as lead agency and identifying them as involved

[40:10] agencies. So, if you want to do that resolution, we'll get the process

[40:13] started. >> Well, I don't know. Do we want to do

[40:16] that resolution tonight? Um, my thought was,

[40:21] [clears throat] speaking for myself, the secret pool is a deep one. And, um, what

[40:26] I did is I went to Nikon for the training material that they do for

[40:35] planning boards and zoning boards. And, um, bought the training session and I

[40:41] what I would like to do is give that to each member of the planning board and

[40:46] anybody else who's interested so that we all have a better understanding of the

[40:51] secret process and the steps involved um before we start a clock. You have to

[40:57] start the clock. So when they file an application, there's a requirement that

[41:02] you begin the process as early as possible. And so we can't just drag out

[41:08] the beginning. Uh all you would be doing >> for two weeks.

[41:12] » No, but it's already been several. They started

[41:15] » an hour doing that was >> Yeah, it's it's I'm just telling you

[41:18] that they're entitled to have it move along. All we would be doing today is

[41:23] sending out notices that then it just starts a 30-day process for other

[41:29] agencies to object or not to you being lead agency. That's all. It's as as

[41:34] innocuous a step as there is. And there's really no I can't say there's

[41:38] any reason not to do it unless you don't want it anymore. I mean, if you change

[41:42] your mind about being lead agency, >> he's asking for a delay doesn't mean he

[41:45] doesn't want it anymore. >> I'm not asking for a delay. I'm asking

[41:48] for a period to gather information. >> So, we will have that. I promise you

[41:54] there's going to be [clears throat] ample period to gather information.

[41:59] » But we got to get we got to get you started as lead agency and and that's

[42:03] going to take it takes 30 days just to get to that ability for you to even say

[42:09] we are now lead agency. All you'd be saying is we want to be

[42:13] lead agency. That's it. So, I I'm happy to,

[42:19] you know, be involved and walk you through this process and we're going to

[42:24] take our we're not going to rush this process. I I that I promise you, but we

[42:29] at least have to give them a lead agency because they are entitled to that.

[42:38] » Anybody want to make any comments? >> There is another referral later on.

[42:56] What I'm hearing is

[43:02] » I want the board members to understand the process

[43:06] » because it's not a simple process. You know, this isn't like neg deck world,

[43:10] you know, where you're just going a house, you know, down the block. This

[43:16] has a little more gravity to it than you know our normal secret process here.

[43:27] » Nothing can happen. Um

[43:43] » I guarantee everyone

[43:48] So if you want between like one of the meetings in September,

[43:53] » um >> we could set aside to have a

[43:58] » just training material in my hands tomorrow actually.

[44:02] » No, but after you have that problem, >> you could distribute it and then we

[44:05] could have a session just to talk about >> the process. That's all. I mean, we'll

[44:11] doesn't even have to be specific to this application only, but just to

[44:14] » Yes. >> kind of have a a primer and a and a

[44:18] refresher on the process that you should expect.

[44:21] » I'd like [snorts] to do that. >> So, we could do that.

[44:23] » The other thing I want to tell you is that when when I had the discussion with

[44:26] the zoning board about it, they all said they want to still be involved since

[44:31] they have a very big decision to make. And one of the things that I told them

[44:38] we could set up when the time comes, this is not next month and probably not

[44:44] the next month, but at some point would be a joint work session where they can

[44:50] come and since you're the lead agency, they can come as a board, not just as

[44:55] one person or two people, but we can advertise it as a joint work session

[45:00] where you can hear their concerns about things that they would want you as lead

[45:05] agency to be looking at for their benefit because that's the

[45:10] responsibility of the lead agency is to gather the information that all the

[45:16] other agencies need to make their decision. And so

[45:21] um I thought it would be a nice thing to have

[45:24] » possibly a joint work session. We've done it once before with when the

[45:28] trustees were involved in an application with you I think and we had the two

[45:32] boards I can't remember what it was for. It

[45:35] might have been the old CVS or >> something like that. But it was

[45:39] something um where we we did that and advertised a meeting. And I think it's a

[45:46] nice thing to do on a on an important application like this.

[45:49] » We get pizza, too. >> We can do that. [laughter]

[45:54] » Pepperoni. >> Roco, do you have any comments on this?

[45:57] » Jim can even have some pizza while he's not yet. But I do want to see I do want

[46:01] to review the secret. So, you said you would you would

[46:03] » I'll distribute the information. >> Yeah, definitely.

[46:07] » We've all been attending Nikon training events. I would assume this one goes

[46:13] back to uh 2023. Wade, who teaches those courses, really does a phenomenal job.

[46:20] And as I recall that training session, he did a phenomenal

[46:26] job on it. So, I contacted Ncom today and hopefully I can have that um

[46:33] » information distributed. They said 24 hours.

[46:35] » This only like an online class like we've been doing

[46:37] » it. It'll be a video. It'll be like a YouTube

[46:40] » so we can go stop, start, look at action, just

[46:43] » no interaction. Yeah. >> Yeah, I'd like to do that.

[46:46] » Okay. >> And just keep in mind too that the DEC's

[46:49] website, >> it actually has some really good

[46:52] resources as well. They have like different levels of, you know, kind of

[46:56] like an introductory level >> a little bit a handbook. They have

[47:00] something called the secret handbook which is a Q&A style but in pretty good

[47:04] detail and then they have the regulations and more technical stuff.

[47:10] But you know after you've done the Nikon thing it's a great resource to you have

[47:15] a question and I'm not available to answer it.

[47:18] » Yeah. You'll typically be able to find that answer on the DC's website,

[47:22] » especially that secret handbook, which is

[47:25] » I still look at it sometimes when I >> um you know, they they've spent decades

[47:32] working on it and refining. >> Fix that now and refining it.

[47:36] » Fix that. [laughter]

[47:39] » So, I'll make sure you have all the resources you need.

[47:42] » Appreciate. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[47:46] » It's up to you. hasn't changed. I don't think we should

[47:51] be agency. >> I can't hear you, Dave. I'm sorry.

[47:53] » I don't think we should be lead agency. My opinion hasn't changed.

[47:59] » Larry Young comments. >> No. Ready to go. Let's have a look at

[48:02] all your stuff. >> We've already voted to be lead.

[48:06] » That ship sailed. >> Dave wasn't on the boat that day.

[48:09] [laughter] >> Somebody let the air out of the tires.

[48:15] » [laughter] >> All right, then. So, um I guess we'll

[48:20] adopt I need a resolution then. >> Just just uh it's sort of informal just

[48:26] to let the staff know that we can >> start the the process for you. So,

[48:30] predicated on the polling that we did and the uh actions we taken this

[48:35] evening, um the planning board of the village of West Hampton Beaches is

[48:40] extending itself to be lead agency if we're so honored in the future.

[48:45] [laughter] >> There you go. I like that.

[48:48] » I respectfully deserve. [laughter]

[48:50] » It is an honor.

[48:56] » Okay. >> Tick tick tick. I need a motion for

[48:59] that. >> No, we don't. We don't need a motion.

[49:01] » I second a motion.

[49:05] » We're done. >> It's not It's not even

[49:12] » We just need instruction. That's all. It's not There's nothing formal about it

[49:15] yet. It'll be formal at the at the meeting when

[49:19] they actually adopt fleet agency status. So,

[49:22] » it'll be at that meeting that we need for

[49:26] » Thank you, Tony. on the vote now. >> All right.

[49:31] Haven't been adjourned yet. >> I need a motion.

[49:36] » Well, it was the way you presented that to the PCA. Nice.

[49:39] » Oh, yeah. >> I have minutes from August 13th. I need

[49:42] a resolution to accept the minutes as written.

[49:45] » Go with it. >> I

[49:48] » I

[49:53] um that's it.

[49:57] Need a motion to close. >> Make a motion.

[50:00] » Okay. >> Anything you want to talk about for

[50:02] [laughter] next meeting?

Planning Board Meeting, August 27, 2026

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