[0:00] She I don't know. She >> Oh, well, I'll take purple then.

[0:06] » Thank you. >> What happened to my little one? You gave

[0:09] me a little teeny tiny one. >> Well, they do tell us

[0:16] he gave me a little

[0:23] besides

[1:03] Hello. Can you hear me? >> Can you hear us?

[1:08] » Yes, I can hear you.

[1:17] » Hold on. Here's a pen. >> Give that to her. Get that to her.

[1:21] That's my Broadway pen. I like back.

[1:27] » [clears throat]

[1:29] » We just don't have anyone to come to our meetings anymore. They'd be so

[1:33] interesting.

[1:37] » Boring is not bad. >> No,

[1:43] a little extra boring.

[1:48] » Last time we had a Witchita documentary documentary. Are you familiar with them?

[1:54] I didn't really there was a person was sitting right up there

[1:57] » and I didn't see that she documented anything for us. I tried to look online

[2:01] and I didn't you see anything about them?

[2:04] » I've been to other meetings where they I don't know if they I think they just

[2:08] keep records. I'm not sure they actually >> well they had they had one on

[2:16] » I can't remember it was >> I think whatever they have volunteers

[2:20] for they had certain

[2:39] Give this to Jan and she give it to anyone. This is one for you. And

[2:47] » is Emma coming? She said she was sick and I told her not to come. She was

[2:52] coming. >> I know. She was told by and I said he

[2:56] didn't trust me. >> You said you're sick. It's not really a

[3:00] question. >> Well, don't sit too close to her because

[3:02] she's still sitting. >> I told her I said give her.

[3:06] » Yeah. I told her to stay away from me. >> Yeah. You don't need You don't need

[3:10] whatever she's got. >> No.

[3:13] » [clears throat]

[3:15] » So, I'm gonna wait for Emily. >> Jason coming or

[3:20] » Yes, he's coming. Uh he's uh he said he might be actually he may be a little bit

[3:25] late because he's his his uh office hours have changed. So, he's working on

[3:30] Wednesdays now. And but he says he just has to to get everything signed up. So,

[3:36] he thought he could make it. I told him that we probably wouldn't get to much of

[3:40] anything.

[3:44] Here he comes. >> Yay. Here you come. How are you doing?

[3:49] » Good.

[3:56] » I don't know.

[4:02] I've had and this is the only two things that she's handed out to us before we go

[4:07] back, >> I guess. I don't know.

[4:16] » So, we're gonna wait for Emily to come um because she's

[4:22] sort of integral to this. Emily is the is the manager of the animal shelter.

[4:27] » Have you met her? >> Have you been to the animal shelter?

[4:32] » Oh, no. >> You have and you met Emily?

[4:35] » No, I haven't. >> You should call Emily and have her take

[4:38] you on a tour and visit. I think that'd be very wise. I think if you're wanting

[4:42] to learn a lot, that'd be the best way to do it.

[4:57] Yeah.

[5:15] » I was

[5:20] I believe.

[5:27] » Hey, Alan.

[5:48] So that's why I

[6:03] » did that to buy home. >> No, no, no. That was

[6:09] I think

[6:13] » Oh, yeah.

[6:17] » Yeah.

[6:40] take you to move them out.

[6:52] out west

[7:13] sake. Well,

[7:24] Not for sissies.

[7:36] We're asking

[7:50] » you by word.

[7:55] Oh yeah.

[8:06] » I guess I understand that W's the worst for

[8:16] [clears throat]

[8:21] me. That's not good. You must be really

[8:26] sick.

[8:34] » I had to figure out how to get

[8:50] » that.

[9:12] Well, you can you can qualify itchy skin as pain.

[9:19] I just don't think you were in a spot at that time to make change.

[9:36] » It should be

[9:42] » as long as I think ahead.

[9:50] That's part of >> now. Let me look for something that I

[9:53] think will be here. >> Sometimes I'm not kidding.

[9:58] » We hope Emily has not been pulled over for drunk driving because she's taking

[10:02] some medication. [laughter] >> No, I'm not kidding. I just just

[10:05] kidding. Just kidding. >> Ellen, don't you remember that when we

[10:10] did the bylaws, we made it where you're supposed to raise your hand when you

[10:14] vote? Yes, absolutely. >> It's not in there and we can't find it.

[10:19] » You're kidding me. Who's in? >> Well, I think that we can go over the

[10:23] minutes and probably pick it up from the minute. I think

[10:27] we're gonna I'm gonna say that's a

[10:32] » jam behind that door.

[10:36] » When we did the bylaws, we did say that we wanted people to raise their hands

[10:40] when they vote.

[10:44] I don't disagree. I just don't remember. >> Okay. Well, because it's not in the

[10:47] bylaws right now. >> Are those

[10:54] » I think the chair should be able to >> by you have

[10:58] » I would go back and compare to your last copy.

[11:01] » Well, there that's what she that's what Susan's doing.

[11:05] » Okay, we're gonna start this meeting. How are you doing, Emily?

[11:09] » How are you doing, Emily? ill.

[11:13] » Okay. No, I you should have been in full garb. You know, [laughter]

[11:18] Emily's been sick and she's coming to me not feeling very well.

[11:21] » So, >> is there time for my report?

[11:23] » I'm sorry. We [clears throat] haven't even started.

[11:25] » No, we're just waiting. Yes. Go ahead.

[11:33] » And and >> I I want to do some housekeeping real

[11:36] quick. >> Okay. So, I brought these right here

[11:40] because if it isn't in our ordinance, it should be. Uh me and Stephanie will tell

[11:46] you, she's been to every meeting, too, since July of 2015 when this started.

[11:51] And they used to vote and they get done and say it was unanimous or 4:1 or 5 to2

[11:57] or whatever. And I'm like, I didn't even hear anyone or anything. So, we tried to

[12:00] put it in the the deal to uh raise your hand. Well, I've went one better. So if

[12:06] you could see this, if you really strongly and you you you want to be bold

[12:12] and strong, you you you raise your hand and be proud of that. If if it's so so

[12:17] you but you're voting for it here and then if it's 51% bring it down here. So

[12:23] but I would like that everyone use these. You don't have to do my little

[12:28] all this, but just just raise it so Oh, no. We can

[12:31] » you're proud So you're proud of your vote.

[12:36] And you know what? You could be the caretaker of the

[12:38] » Yes. I'll take them at the end and bring if you give me the the things.

[12:45] » There you go. >> I I cannot find those. I'm so sorry.

[12:48] » Give me those. I'll bring those, too. >> Yeah. So, that is my bad. I put them

[12:53] away in a place I wouldn't forget. And guess what?

[12:58] I haven't been able to find them. I'm Maybe someone moved them. I don't know.

[13:05] But our board is so little. We don't have a very big board yet. We

[13:10] don't we won't ever have a big board. >> While we're waiting, why don't we just

[13:14] go around the the board? I'm George Theo Harris from District Three.

[13:19] » Susan Richardson, the mayor's representative. Ellen Corner, district

[13:24] one. >> Nancy Bradley, district four.

[13:27] » Jason Albertson, JB Johnson's district >> district five.

[13:31] » There you go. Okay. Shame on you. >> Shame on you. [clears throat]

[13:35] » Kick me out. >> No,

[13:37] » I'm fired. >> And Stephanie McCarti is from

[13:40] » And she's That's Stephanie. Hi, Stephanie. And she's from District 2.

[13:44] She's on She's on vacation, I think. So, she's behind you.

[13:50] » I am not on vacation. I'm traveling for work.

[13:53] » Okay. Well, I didn't know. That's good. Better that you be on vacation, I'm

[13:59] sure.

[14:05] Okay. Okay. We'd like to start the meeting. Um, I'm going to call the

[14:10] meeting to order. And the first thing that we need to to do on this meeting is

[14:13] to approve the minutes from last meeting. And Stephanie, you had a

[14:18] question. [clears throat] >> I have a Yes, I have a correction to the

[14:23] person who's absent. We list Patricia as absent and she is no longer on the

[14:28] board. I have replaced her. So, we need to have that struck from last month's

[14:32] minutes, please. Thank you. >> Then I have a correction,

[14:38] and I think the vets would kill me if they put red as the way it was.

[14:43] » Yeah. Anyhow, it's on page two, and it's under presented by Theo Harrison Corner,

[14:50] and it's the second um little dot and it says veterinarians made it more

[14:55] difficult. And what I said was they make it more difficult. And I think when I

[15:00] talked to um Healey, she said she thought since I was talking about the

[15:04] veterinarians that I was thinking about the veterinarians and I wasn't. Did you

[15:07] read that? Did you notice that already? And so I talked to her. I think we can

[15:12] say they and then in parentheses the city is making it more difficult. And

[15:16] the reason I said that is because of the Excel file they sent because we wanted

[15:20] to make it simplified. So I'd like to have that change to take it off. It's

[15:24] not the veterinarians although we need to get them to get on board. the process

[15:29] process. >> Yeah, the process

[15:31] » and there there needs to be an addition too. Um I was stating that I had sent an

[15:38] email to Emily um about licenses and

[15:45] she uh told me that I needed to get with licensing or the police department or

[15:52] and licensing won't talk with me. So, it's not because I've been rude to them

[15:58] either. Oh, I've asked some questions they did not want to give me answers to,

[16:01] but they was never being rude. So, that's not in the report here. And I

[16:07] have email to document that. That's uh they're tying our hands and we just

[16:14] can't have that. >> So, are you saying that you want that

[16:18] added or is it >> Yes, please.

[16:20] » And where would you add that? Where would it be?

[16:25] Oh, it was near the end. Near the end, remember?

[16:29] » Yeah. >> Okay. Um,

[16:34] what I'm going to do is I'm going to uh defer approving the minutes until we can

[16:40] come in and get them corrected and then bring it back to us. Does that make

[16:42] sense? >> I think people are asking for quite a

[16:45] few things, especially what you're asking for.

[16:47] » And I could send her the emails and and she could just she don't she don't have

[16:51] to look at nothing. Well, it's what you said in it's not the email

[16:55] » I read. So I read them out of the meeting.

[16:58] » Yeah. So the email that I read. >> So do I have a second to defer the

[17:04] approval of the minutes till next meeting.

[17:08] » All those in favor raise your hands. Okay.

[17:14] Stephanie. >> Oh, Stephanie,

[17:18] are you there? >> I'm here.

[17:21] How did you vote on deferring the minutes?

[17:23] » Yes. >> Okay.

[17:26] » If I vote no, I'll put it in the chat so Keley will know.

[17:31] » Okay. But we want to know, not just Ke because Key is not here.

[17:34] » Okay. Just say yes or no on anything that we vote on. Okay. Okay. The next up

[17:40] is our um is Emily um on uh

[17:50] animal services report and we got a chair up here. Do you want to just do it

[17:53] if you do back there? I don't know if you're going to be able to be heard.

[17:56] » Can you guys hear me? >> Well, it's whether they can hear you.

[18:01] » Stephanie, can you hear me? >> Yes.

[18:06] [clears throat] I'd rather not germ everybody up.

[18:11] All right. Um >> closer to June.

[18:14] » Yeah. The So you guys have the report that has

[18:20] May and June on it since we were last here.

[18:24] And our intake for cats in May was 309 and 444 in June. Intake for dogs was 430

[18:33] in May and 441 in June. Um we're right around average numbers for last year. Uh

[18:40] but our overall euthanasia rate for dogs is lower. Cats pretty much race remains

[18:46] the same. But the bulk of the euthanasia for cats uh is still neonates or those

[18:52] that have been badly injured. Unfortunately with a heavy

[18:55] overpopulation pro problem of mostly unowned cats I believe um they get

[19:01] injured a lot and that's a mercy euthania isn't a big category for us.

[19:08] » Any questions on the regular do or on the regular

[19:13] um I just have a question uh is this higher this year or lower this year than

[19:18] than years before >> on intake? on intakes. Are we taking in

[19:22] more animals or less animals? >> About the same. It It's really very

[19:26] close. >> Very close. Okay.

[19:30] » Any other questions?

[19:34] No questions. Are there any question on this?

[19:43] The next report is the dangerous dogs report. Um it's also published on the

[19:47] website now. So, I I'll refraining from reading it for you guys, but just take a

[19:52] look at those and let me know if you have any questions about anything.

[20:02] And I guess I'm going to ask the same thing. Um, maybe it would be helpful if

[20:07] we had some sort of of comparison. >> I remember. Yes, I I'll bring that next

[20:12] time. >> Okay. Yeah, because it'd be nice to know

[20:15] whether we're going up or down on stuff. >> I had a question. It says uh in May

[20:20] there were more euthanas than intakes. >> Whoa, that doesn't sound good.

[20:25] » On dangerous dogs. >> Yes.

[20:27] » Okay. So, um and this one's a this is a kind of wonky because it doesn't exactly

[20:34] spell out what is happening very clearly just in a statistic.

[20:39] » Okay. So dangerous dogs can exist in these these four categories are aren't

[20:45] necessarily all related to the same animals.

[20:48] So for example um and and this is done and it's done by calendar month. So

[20:55] maybe I took a dangerous dog in on May 30th to the shelter, but that dangerous

[21:01] dog's outcome might have been a euthanatia or it might have gone back

[21:05] home. Um, it might that dangerous dog's uh intake could also be determined

[21:12] nothing further. So maybe it didn't end up with a dangerous dog determination,

[21:15] but it came in as a dangerous dog designation.

[21:19] And then the outcomes for that same month, let's say that it was euthanized.

[21:24] Um, that process takes several weeks typically before we make our

[21:29] determination. The person has time to come back with it. So, the intake isn't

[21:33] necessarily going to add up to the euthanasia number at the same time. And

[21:39] um there are situations some sometimes also where we're doing a dangerous dog

[21:44] investigation, but we aren't in taking the animal specifically into our

[21:47] facility. It may be at a veterinarian. It may be um at doing its home

[21:53] quarantine for something that we are going to assume is going to be something

[21:57] nothing further and we're not requiring that it come into the shelter while we

[22:00] complete the investigation. Um there there's just a lot of different

[22:06] variables in that. So it doesn't necessarily equal out to the same.

[22:10] » And two, doesn't your euthanasia include like if a citizen brings a pet in

[22:16] » right you didn't intake it. Do you you do you do an intake on those or do you

[22:23] » um not typically those are gonna those are going to be the um d the next

[22:28] category which is dangerous dog. XUP stands for uh owner surrender in our

[22:35] um and and so those those mean that the owner brought it to us. We didn't

[22:43] necessarily complete a full investigation because the owner is

[22:47] saying, you know, this dog maybe it attacked my f my child. It needs to be

[22:52] euthanized. And so we wouldn't conduct an investigation on that one, but it

[22:55] would count towards the euth. >> So those inverted numbers probably would

[23:00] have made more sense for cats since they have nine lives.

[23:07] [clears throat] [laughter]

[23:09] » That's his voice. You do add humor. You do add humor. Um, any other questions of

[23:15] the report. No questions. Thank you very much. And

[23:20] you can put your head down and rest if you want to.

[23:25] » Okay. Next on the agenda on the the is public comment.

[23:31] And I don't have Who's can you bring up the public comment or someone bring up

[23:35] the public? Who signed up for public comment?

[23:40] very much.

[23:46] » We just have one. We have such a few public comments and Tony Wman.

[23:51] » Thank you. Um yeah, I I agree. There's hardly anybody here. There used to be

[23:56] people from Humane Society. I don't know, six or seven police officers. Um

[24:01] people from the shelter, not just the shelter supervisor. And now here we are.

[24:07] Nobody. Um, I wanted to follow up. Um, I missed the meeting in May, but I was at

[24:15] the meeting in March, and I did make a public comment then that I want to

[24:20] follow up on, and it has to do with all of the animals who are leaving this area

[24:26] going to rescue, but we don't know what rescue they're going to. Um Emily told

[24:35] me in March that they were going the cats were going to Missouri and

[24:38] Wisconsin and I'm wondering so they have a

[24:43] scarcity of cats in Missouri and Wisconsin.

[24:46] » Yeah, we're not going to have any questions.

[24:48] » Oh, I'm sorry. >> Anyway, that was my comment. They have a

[24:51] that I was wondering, you know, do they have a scarcity? And one of the reasons

[24:56] that I bring this up again is because first of all, there's been no

[25:03] At least I haven't seen any resolution to at least knowing where they're going.

[25:08] But there's been a lot of public information about a place called

[25:13] Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna, California. And this is a rescue where um they went

[25:21] in and this place had been receiving animals uh cats and dogs from area

[25:27] rescues and shelters and what have you. They couldn't adopt them out. They were

[25:31] fundraising on them, making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then killing

[25:35] the animals. And so they found graves of hundreds of dogs and cats that have been

[25:42] killed over a certain amount of time. It's called Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna,

[25:48] California. I urge everybody to Google that. And [clears throat]

[25:53] if you don't know for sure that your animals are going to a good rescue, it

[25:59] might be going to a horrible death. You don't know that. So that's comment.

[26:06] Thank you very much. Okay. I didn't even turn on my stopwatch.

[26:11] Off you go. That concludes new business. Um I mean that concludes the public new

[26:18] business. We're going to have election of officers and I'd like to start that

[26:22] off with the election of the chairperson and I would like to make a nomination

[26:27] that Stephanie Mccernie um uh be elected as our next chairperson. I'm worn out.

[26:35] Is there a second? >> Well, no. Is there any more?

[26:38] » No. No, we have to. No. Okay. Are there any? You're going to second it. Okay.

[26:43] Are there any other nominations for the chairperson?

[26:46] » Yes. I make a nomination that you stay as chair.

[26:50] » I'm not going to do that. I have too much to do. I have too much and

[26:53] Stephanie is a very good person. She can run a meeting very very well.

[26:58] Are there any other nominations? I close the nominations. Is there any

[27:03] input? Can we have input from the from the floor or do we not do that during so

[27:09] glad you're here? >> The board first and then the floor. I

[27:12] would say >> you would have on an election, you

[27:14] wouldn't have input from the citizens. It would just be the

[27:20] » You wouldn't have input from the >> Okay, that's I didn't know that. Okay.

[27:23] Are there any discussion about this? >> All I want to say is we've been there,

[27:28] done that, and um if uh

[27:38] all I'm going to say, been there, done that. Any

[27:42] other comments? I'm going to bring it to a vote. All

[27:46] those in favor of Stephanie being the chairperson, raise your purple or orange

[27:51] hand, purple and your orange hand. All those opposed.

[27:58] Okay, there's one, two, three, four, four. Stephanie.

[28:01] » Oh, Stephanie. Do you want to vote for yourself?

[28:05] » Yes, I'll vote for myself. Thank you. >> Okay. [laughter] Okay. One, two, three,

[28:10] four, five, five, four, and one against. So Stephanie, you're the new

[28:14] chairperson. Now, I have a question. I'm going to go ahead and go through the

[28:18] rest of the the nominations, but should Stephanie take over the meeting now or

[28:21] should I continue with the meeting and have Stephanie take over the next

[28:24] meeting? >> I would have her take over the next

[28:26] meeting. >> The next meeting. Okay. All right.

[28:29] » Okay. >> Yes. [clears throat]

[28:32] » I make a motion, Susan, to be the the vice chair.

[28:37] » Okay. So that was the next thing up for the first V. We have two vice chairs.

[28:42] Okay. Okay. So we have a motion for Susan to be the first vice chair.

[28:47] » Can Susan clarify something? >> Yes.

[28:50] » Is there a sequence to the vice chair or is just like level like is there first

[28:55] vice chair, second vice chair? >> First vice chair, second vice chair.

[28:59] » I declined to be first vice chair. >> Okay. Yes.

[29:03] » Make a motion that Jason be the first vice chair.

[29:07] Ah, you're up. [laughter] Okay. A second. I second that. I second

[29:13] that. Is there any other nominations for vice chair?

[29:18] Stephanie. Okay. Uh then we'll close the

[29:22] nominations and we'll take a vote. All those in favor of Jason being our first

[29:25] vice chair, raise your hand. >> Okay. That's one, two, three, four, and

[29:32] raise it like [laughter] that. >> Yes.

[29:34] » Yes. >> Yes. Good. Okay. Well, that's um that is

[29:40] uh nomish. Okay. Five to zero. >> Make a motion that the second vice chair

[29:47] is Susan. >> That's six to zero. Helen.

[29:51] » Oh, six to zero. >> It's five here. That's why six because

[29:54] she's Yeah. >> Okay. Six to Thank you for correcting

[29:58] me. >> Second, Vice Chair Susan,

[30:00] » now that it's been clarified. >> I'm willing to be second. You're willing

[30:04] to be a second. I will second that nomination. Is any

[30:09] discussion? You two can hash it out. Okay.

[30:13] [laughter] No, I'm not kidding.

[30:17] » I would like to know if you ever took the tour of the shelter with Emily.

[30:21] » I have not taken the the tour with Emily. [clears throat]

[30:27] » I probably need to find time to do that, too.

[30:29] » And you need to, too. Okay. Well, I think that that I think you missed the

[30:33] one tour that they gave that they didn't know that happened. Um,

[30:38] » I I took a tour of the shelter with Ellen. So, I have been to the shelter,

[30:44] but have not been to the shelter with Ellen.

[30:48] » We'll do it sometime. It'll work out. I think maybe you can go together and take

[30:52] that tour. >> Ellen, are there any more nominations?

[30:56] » Yes, I know. Are there any more nominations?

[31:00] All those in favor, raise your hand.

[31:05] Stephanie,

[31:09] » yes or no? Stephanie? >> Yes. Sorry.

[31:14] » Is it yes? >> Yes.

[31:16] » Okay. All those against, one against. Okay. So, that's one, two, three, four,

[31:22] five, four, and one again. And one name. So, uh,

[31:28] you're on. you're on. And Stephanie, I can't wait for you to take over next

[31:32] month, next meeting. Okay. You do a good job.

[31:36] Okay. Now then, the next thing up is um the uh

[31:44] new is the old business. And I guess I'm up on this. I've handed out a packet for

[31:48] you. And Stephanie, did you get I sent you what we're what I'm handing out,

[31:52] which is just an overview of the of the uh uh of the things that were voted for

[31:58] and against. Did you get that today? >> Yes, I got it.

[32:03] » Well, you did get one, but you have that from the last year from the last

[32:07] meeting. Okay. Um I contacted I'm not I contact Alejandro

[32:16] AIO. I think that's her name, how she pronounces it with the bin. Is it Casio?

[32:20] Do you know Jan Alejandra? Anyhow, I asked for an update for the number of

[32:26] licenses that came in in the second quarter, which would be the total for

[32:29] the for the first uh I guess for the first two quarters or the half a year in

[32:35] the licensing. And I'm going to recoup this. I'm going to remind I don't think

[32:39] you're here. I'm going to just go over a few things. Um when we and George when

[32:44] George I asked to see how the licensing was doing after they they uh um approved

[32:51] some of the different things that we had recommended in 2024 which was before it

[32:56] was approved they had 15,28 licenses with a revenue of $268,981.

[33:04] They also had eight veterinarians on board. Um they had in 2025 they had

[33:10] seven veterinarians on board and that number dropped from 9,000 to 9,544

[33:18] with a revenue of 1841 $184 that $184,000

[33:25] and86 and800 $184,869 uh dollars of income. So the income

[33:33] dropped not totally in half but it dropped consistently and the numbers uh

[33:38] almost dropped in half. >> Is this number how many licensed during

[33:41] that year? >> Yes, this is during the year.

[33:44] » What if some of those 15,000 in 2024 did a three-year license?

[33:48] » They didn't have that ability to because it well they could have at the very

[33:52] beginning. Okay. And we that's a question that I have. Okay. That's a

[33:55] question I ask the license department. How many are are three years and how

[33:59] many are are just one year or two years? because they do have a one, two or three

[34:03] year and I'll discuss that a little bit later. Okay. And then what we saw and so

[34:08] it went into effect the end of 2024. Is that correct? I think it was approved

[34:15] in September of 13. September 13 of 2024. And but some of it

[34:21] did not go into I don't know if they did the three-year not until the 1 of 2025.

[34:27] » Right. That's correct. >> So that so that just sort of started in

[34:30] 2025. Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. And then in 2026 up to

[34:34] date, we have 3,95

[34:39] licenses with the amount of 78,800. >> Can you repeat that number?

[34:45] » Okay. 3,95 licenses, excuse me, licenses.

[34:51] 78,800 [clears throat]

[34:54] taken in. Now, >> how many vets?

[34:57] » Oh, three. Three veterinarians. And I don't know if that has changed. U Emily,

[35:03] do you know if it's changed? That's I got this from Alejandra. I contacted her

[35:07] and she was very kind and got this phone last week.

[35:10] » Yeah.

[35:15] » So, um, we were all, I think, shocked at the decrease because what we did when we

[35:22] when we put the sub together was we wanted to make the the licensing

[35:27] increase. We wanted to get more dogs licensed. And uh

[35:33] the next I guess I can show you this and I should have had this for the topic. I

[35:37] I feel bad if you if you went through the the uh PowerPoint notes that I have

[35:41] over there and shared them around. You'll see what we're talking about, but

[35:44] I didn't have enough meds to buy enough to print them off.

[35:49] Making notes on this, but I can share. >> Huh? [laughter]

[35:55] » Look like there's a couple. >> Yeah, there's more. I ran copies. I fig

[35:58] you guys pass. >> And so the second

[36:02] » the page that you have here talks about just a just a visual of what this looks

[36:07] like. We handed this out last meeting and I don't think you were here at the

[36:11] last meeting, Jason. So that's why I put this on here. And this shows the number

[36:16] of history. In about 2010, we had over 40,000 around 40,000 dogs licensed. and

[36:22] it has now dropped down to hopefully we're going to get 8,000

[36:27] licensed maybe if we we got almost 4,000 for the first uh half year. Hopefully

[36:34] we'll get more but we don't know. Um and then this is this is just the

[36:40] revenue showing how much it went down. I don't have 2023. I never did get 2023

[36:46] but I think it sort of followed the trend. And then 26 is the lowest it's

[36:50] been in 25 years I think. And this is all information that we got through the

[36:54] subcommittee. So

[36:58] we I I presented this at the last meeting and I I did presented it badly.

[37:02] I should have sent some of this stuff out previously. Um but at the last

[37:06] meeting there were some concerns about the efficiency of the license of

[37:10] subcommittee as to what they did and uh they wanted to know what was what were

[37:16] recommended and what was you know what was accepted by the city. Okay.

[37:22] And so I sent out very late last night because well yesterday afternoon because

[37:28] I ran across the the uh workshop uh video where they discussed things. So we

[37:36] the board presented the uh recommendations this my

[37:42] subcommittee presented the re recommendations in May of 2023

[37:46] and uh at that time it was voted on by the board to pass on with the vote of

[37:52] five yays one nay and one absence abstain. So it passed and it was then

[37:58] sent on to the police department. Now our in May of 2023

[38:04] and I looked at all the minutes because I knew what happened but at each meeting

[38:07] we asked where the meetings were where where are the where the recommendations

[38:10] and we really didn't get a good answer. They said, "We don't know downtown

[38:14] someplace." And so they were sort of stalled. And then on the

[38:20] uh I guess it was the March meeting of 2024,

[38:24] Mike, who was a chair at that time, reported that, hey, they're going to

[38:29] start they're going to um we're in the process and they hope to get them to the

[38:33] city council in the next week in the next month or so. And that was at the

[38:37] March meeting. That was about a year later.

[38:42] I just uh Googled and IA said there's 130 to 150 dogs in Witchah and IIA is

[38:50] never wrong. So if you multiply that times 22.5

[38:55] that's about the average cost of a license. It's 15 if it's fake and

[38:59] neutered but 50 if it's not. If you average in all of that it's about 2250.

[39:04] So that's two point 2,925,000

[39:08] that could be collected that's not being collected

[39:12] » and and that's something that we talked about in this in the slides. Now then um

[39:17] in April of 2024 Jan presented for the first time to the city um council the

[39:25] recommendations and they prior to going for that one period of time I think that

[39:30] those recommendations were being looked at. We we didn't expect all of the

[39:35] recommendations to pass. You know, we I I had no no thought that they would ever

[39:39] license cats, okay? Much to much to Georgia, but I knew that was probably

[39:44] going to be one of the things that we kicked out. But Dan, you got with law

[39:48] department, PD, and the finance, and you went through and looked at what

[39:53] utilities accept. Okay. And she presented it to

[39:57] the city. And I just want I always like to correct things when they're wrong. At

[40:01] the last meeting, it was stated that the city council voted no on our

[40:06] recommendations, and that's not true. Uh they were the recommendations weren't

[40:10] given to them until after the city after PD and uh uh finance and law said we can

[40:19] accept such certain months. And um >> but and I just want to clarify that this

[40:26] first time she presented them, they were at a workshop, not

[40:29] » Yeah, workshop. No, it was a workshop. I'm sorry after and it was after the PD

[40:34] had looked at these your workshop. It was after

[40:38] » this is the first time it was presented a workshop. I'm sorry I didn't say

[40:41] workshop. Okay. Now then >> Excuse me. No, PD was looking at them

[40:45] before you did your workshop. >> That's what I said. That's what I could

[40:48] that's what I asked her. >> Yeah, but I don't think she answered it

[40:50] right. >> She did. She shook her head. Yes.

[40:52] » No. Yeah. And and I said that that >> Yeah, they PD looked at it. Then you

[40:55] took their recommendations and you presented it

[40:58] » and then you went before the city council and they voted in

[41:02] » 70. Yeah. >> And and that was

[41:04] » they didn't vote on the recommendations. We just presented the present.

[41:07] » No, no, not that they did later. >> I'm let me finish George. Let me go

[41:12] through this. Okay. All right. And so um that was in uh April of 2024.

[41:20] And uh the the uh they were then presented after

[41:29] the workshop to the city council in September the September 13th meeting.

[41:34] » It was August 13th. >> August 13th. August

[41:37] » because it was the same day as neighborhood night out.

[41:39] » Really? It was August, not September. Okay. Well, I'm wrong.

[41:43] » Okay. I will always admit that I'm wrong.

[41:45] » I don't know. >> Don't worry. I sent it to you today and

[41:48] it said August 13th. So, you're fine. That's all right. Okay. So, it was

[41:51] August 13th and they voted seven to zero to accept all of the recommendations

[41:56] that >> in the or they were put into

[41:58] » they were in the ordinance. Now, I have been because I I sent the the video and

[42:03] I wanted everyone to see it because I think that a lot of stuff was said in

[42:06] the workshop that I can't you know I can't say everything there. But it was a

[42:12] very very good workshop. There's some good questions. But what I did in the

[42:15] next six sheet is I printed off very crudely their your um uh PowerPoint

[42:23] notes for the workshop. Okay. And so I wanted to go over that because people

[42:27] want to know what was taken, what wasn't. And so the first recommendation

[42:31] was licensing both cats and dogs. And they said, "Hey, we got enough

[42:35] [clears throat] dogs licensing. We can't do cats at this time." And I remember

[42:38] talking to to uh Jan about that. And she said, "That's a good idea, but not right

[42:42] now." And so it's not like they said never never never but maybe it is never

[42:46] never but they said that they wouldn't do that

[42:50] at this time. So that one was one that they didn't take with they took with the

[42:53] dogs and not the cats. And the second one was mandatory microchipping of cats

[42:57] and dogs and this was actually put in the the advisory board wanted to do

[43:02] that. I mean the subcommittee wanted to do that but we didn't think we could

[43:05] until the police says hey we want you to do that and said okay good we're going

[43:08] to put it in. So, we were real happy about that. And that, of course, was

[43:11] supported. And then offering a three-year license if a dog has a

[43:15] three-year vaccine and offers no refunds for unused years. Uh we I don't think we

[43:21] put in the refund, but that was good that we we put it in. We might have put

[43:24] that in. But anyhow, uh they supported that. So, that went through. And then

[43:30] changing the licensing price to 15 and 50. I think there was some questions

[43:34] about it should be 20 and 40, but it ended up being 15 and 50. Okay, 15 for

[43:40] altered and 50 for unaltered. And that was we did that so that we could

[43:44] encourage spay and neighboring of the of the animals because that's one thing

[43:48] that can happen. And the and the police department supported that. And then we

[43:52] increased the three dogs and three to two dogs and two cats and three dogs and

[43:56] three cats because a lot of us have three dogs. I have three dogs. I hate to

[44:01] say that, but I have three dogs. Now I have three dogs. And the and the witch

[44:05] supported the recommendation. And I didn't think about it till I looked at

[44:07] what you said that that's going to probably drop down some of the animal

[44:11] maintenance permits that they have to do. So that's a plus. Okay. Because see

[44:14] before if you had three you had to get an animal maintenance [clears throat]

[44:16] permit and now it's at four. Then they added a dedicated employee to administer

[44:22] the pet license. And we thought if you have someone as an

[44:25] employee that does it, you know that that has paid $60,000. I think someone

[44:30] said that at the meeting about $16,000 and you were taking in, you know, $800

[44:35] to a million dollars that that they could pay for themselves. But I guess

[44:38] the city doesn't believe that. They don't. Okay. Um and the next one was

[44:43] partner with the Kansas Mayite to vaccinate for rabies and licensed

[44:46] animals before they leave the shelter. We haven't gotten anything. What?

[44:50] Nothing's happened with that other than they are vaccinated for rabies. Right

[44:54] now they are, but they're not gathering. They're not taking in a license. the

[45:01] it's really just more of an open discussion at this point um with them

[45:05] getting a new CEO and um talk talking about the pros and cons of how that

[45:12] impacts adoptions just with the additional sticker costs and things like

[45:16] that. So, >> okay. Kind of like the veterarians.

[45:19] » Yeah. So, it's just it's like it's an open discussion. Um but

[45:24] uh just yeah, I I I don't know that they're against it. I think that Um,

[45:29] part of the thing is too was when they started doing the rabies was also when

[45:33] we were kind of starting this conversation and seeing how that how the

[45:37] new, you know, online system would work and how we can direct those. Um, I set

[45:43] up a resource computer in my lobby that we could try to uh also help people get

[45:48] like their licenses that way. So, I don't I mean it's it's open for

[45:52] discussion. They're not >> Does KHS give the adopes instructions?

[45:57] » They do give them the instructions. And so they have a new CEO. Is that an

[46:01] interim? >> They are very close.

[46:05] » Very close. Oh, >> yes.

[46:08] » I I heard one of the concerns about the license was that maybe the dog didn't

[46:14] work out or cat or whatever didn't work out, they brought back. So maybe we need

[46:17] to put some language in there that if they bring it back 30, 60, 80, 90 days

[46:22] that that they can use that license for another animal or something. I think

[46:27] that would maybe circumvent that problem.

[46:32] » And something that um uh was talked told to me by a veterinarian,

[46:39] I can't think of her name. She's cute because [clears throat] I'm so old that

[46:42] there I think it's called a kiosk. There's a little you know what is a

[46:45] little thing I'm old. The little square thing that you

[46:47] » That's a QR code. a QR code that the QR code could be set up at at the animal

[46:53] shelter and at KHS and also in veterinarians where they just have to

[46:56] clean in there and do that. Do you have anything like that?

[46:59] » We don't have anything like that. That'd be easy to do.

[47:02] » Well, that the city would supply. >> We could do that for sure.

[47:05] » Yeah. And so that would be like >> who's going to pay for the kiosk?

[47:09] » Well, it's not QR code. >> Okay. So they would provide us a QR code

[47:15] » and that could be on a website or we could just scan it off of

[47:19] » that's that's what she it's um um because she said they could do that even

[47:25] when they walked out with the animal or whatever

[47:27] » like your archa can be printed on >> printed on and it could be on a placard

[47:31] or sign. >> Yeah, that's what they're saying. They

[47:33] can just do it. Okay. Anyhow, um but so they're still working on it with the new

[47:39] staffing kai. >> I'm sorry.

[47:43] » They're still working on that. The reason behind that,

[47:47] George, if you recall, was that the biggest number of animals coming into as

[47:52] new animals in the state come from the humane society. They were our biggest

[47:57] biggest source of new and new animals coming in and um it would be nice to get

[48:02] those on the licensing situation. What do most rescues do when they I mean they

[48:09] make sure they have the rabies. Most of them make sure they're stayed and

[48:12] neutered. Do they give out information for licensing or do they

[48:17] » Well, I can't I can't >> or does anybody ask them?

[48:22] » I can't I can't say. Well, I can't speak for other rescues. We generally tell

[48:27] about them. Did we tell about the ones that you took about getting them? Well,

[48:30] we knew that you would license them. >> Maybe.

[48:34] I can't remember because she was she adopted a lot of Dutch dogs a long time

[48:37] ago from us and you adopted dogs even longer

[48:41] » one >> one yeah a dog

[48:42] » but we did that through the business where I was working they were licensed

[48:46] to them >> um

[48:50] let's see so then we talked about increasing the license inform

[48:54] information or uh enforcement by saying reminders and phone calls and you guys

[48:59] thought it was being done or was were told it was being done I have to tell

[49:03] you that I don't know of anyone in the recent five years or six years that has

[49:09] gotten a reminder. I used to get a little piece of paper for a long time

[49:13] ago in the mail. >> The pink postcard.

[49:16] » The pink. That's what everyone says. The pink postcard that come in. Didn't have

[49:19] Do you still have that? >> No. I've seen one of those in years.

[49:22] » Long time ago. I've said the same that I haven't seen one in a long time, but

[49:27] they tell me that they are going out >> and I would like to see them go out by

[49:31] email just because >> that would make

[49:34] » Well, I just licensed one of and I had absolutely no issues. Took me five or

[49:38] six minutes to license my dog last week. >> And

[49:42] um it does ask you at the end whether you want the reminder by mail or by

[49:48] email. >> Oh, I know.

[49:51] But it it was very simple to use. >> Have you gotten a reminder? Has it been

[49:56] a year? >> Um,

[50:00] » no, it hasn't been a year. I just I I did one early kind of to so that I could

[50:06] test it out. >> Well, I know that [clears throat] um

[50:09] that the veterinarians that I know like Chuck Olsson who was a very good person

[50:13] who always collected the licensing and now is not doing it u anymore. Um he

[50:19] says he hasn't seen one of those peak cards forever. And that was a good thing

[50:22] for them because it brought the dog in. Okay. So they

[50:25] » they would always served as a reminder. >> Uhhuh.

[50:28] » Beyond just our cards anymore. [clears throat]

[50:35] » Send out texts or like I get a text that >> Yeah.

[50:40] Well, has [clears throat] Jan, do you know if that's something that they're

[50:44] looking into making something that will like this whatever the program that

[50:49] they're using? Will they do that? Well, >> I've been told that they do send out

[50:53] hundreds of I don't know what they look like.

[50:57] » I'm sorry. >> I was

[51:04] » Well, [clears throat] I I I can I I don't think Blair Doom seen them. I

[51:08] don't think uh Scare has seen them. I don't think I've talked to Chuck Ulton

[51:12] have seen them. You haven't seen them. So, and I haven't seen I haven't gotten

[51:15] anything from my dogs and I just my vet tells me, "Oh, you need to bring them in

[51:20] on." And so, because I haven't gotten it for my dogs. So, anyhow, that's

[51:24] something that that was sort of not not against other than that they don't have

[51:29] personnel to do the phone calls and I can understand that. Ellen kid kids kid

[51:34] it would be nice if we knew a veterinarian that we could lean on to

[51:39] ask them especially if they're like a bird by his chair now where where where

[51:46] the dots aren't being connected >> well that's that'sant

[51:50] » I can tell you that you know people they want value for the money that they spend

[51:58] and I work really hard at conferring value to the services that they get at

[52:04] my hospital. They don't feed value when they're paying a license fee. They

[52:10] think, well, it's just going to some bureaucrat and where that money goes

[52:15] goes in their deep pole and when they're But what's the value of

[52:22] of the license? Maybe if we f saw some value, they would be willing to go the

[52:28] extra mile to part with those dollars. Okay. So, that's a marketing. It's a

[52:34] marketing. >> And I know that Councilman High brought

[52:38] it up at the council meeting a couple of weeks ago and about the licensing and he

[52:45] would suggested threw it out there that have the money collected help support

[52:49] the animal shelter and the and the needs of the

[52:54] of the animals. >> They look at it as a tax. You are taxed

[52:58] for the privilege of owning a pet and no one that this is what

[53:06] » this is the feedback that I would have gotten that I have gotten

[53:11] [clears throat] >> fortunate that he said that. No

[53:13] » because Trish is here and she's going to explain it here in a little bit. Now in

[53:19] lubing, >> one of the things, one of the things

[53:20] that I I will tell you that um Dr. Cowan um a friend of mine uh used to use Dr.

[53:28] Cow when he was there and that's and what he said was I quit gathering

[53:33] licenses when I found out it was going to the general fund because I thought it

[53:37] went directly to the animal shelter and directly to help the animals uh that

[53:43] they took care of like >> or it is a tax.

[53:45] » Pardon? >> Therefore, it is

[53:47] Oh. Oh, there it is. Well, no, because he said he said

[53:52] » Well, but also isn't the shelter funded by the general fund.

[53:56] » Well, and so that's what But is but does all of the money that we take in from

[54:00] licensing? Does that show? >> But that's where it comes from.

[54:04] » Yeah. And and when you're talking about the license licensing department, um I

[54:09] talked to my councilman this afternoon who is um

[54:15] class at Dalton and he said that there are 80 licenses in the city.

[54:22] » Yes. >> And by the end of this year they hope to

[54:26] have there is um to have 30 of them digital. So, and I think there's only a

[54:32] couple of people that actually work in licensing that handle all of this. So,

[54:36] we need to keep that in mind as well. >> Yeah, that's one of the problems.

[54:40] [clears throat] >> The dog license fee uh could actually

[54:46] cover most of the animal shelter. >> It but but the most but the the dog

[54:54] shelter animal shelter is becoming like the buses. You're just a lose. You're

[54:59] going to lose. It's money thrown. Well, it's not thrown away. Those people need

[55:03] it. But what I'm saying is they're not making money. The buses aren't making

[55:07] money. Animal shelters not making money. But they could get closer if they could

[55:11] get that 2. >> I wouldn't say making money. It's being

[55:14] able to provide the services. >> I I talked with the outgoing city

[55:20] manager and he did say it goes to the general fund that 1530 whatever $50. But

[55:26] he said if we see that this is bringing in $3 million, we are going to funnel

[55:32] some money to the shelter. So it's not they get it in and spend it on something

[55:37] else. they would start funneling in maybe not one for one but maybe does

[55:42] have you ever heard that Jan that if we get more money for any fee or whatever

[55:48] that and it goes into the general fund they'll see where that money comes from

[55:52] and then they'll send some money that way because that's where we're getting

[55:56] the money from. Does that make sense? >> That's what Bob

[56:01] » It's not what I do. >> I know. Well, he's not here anymore.

[56:04] » Yeah. Well, but I'm sure this manager will do the same thing.

[56:08] » That's what I've been told, but I don't know for sure.

[56:10] » I don't. >> Okay. Now then, um we're going to go on

[56:14] to improve the online information about dog licensing. And I think that's been I

[56:19] think that's been done. I I didn't have too much issues when I renewed my dog's

[56:24] license, but you had a little bit of problems.

[56:28] » I don't know. I mean, I got to the end. I put in all the information.

[56:31] » Did it work? >> And then it said, "We can't do that

[56:33] right now." And so you still haven't got your dog's license?

[56:36] » No, it's going to go out to the shelter like that.

[56:39] » Okay. >> But when I talked to you, you didn't

[56:41] think they had done anything since the last meeting.

[56:44] » The license. >> No, I brought up Susan's issue to them

[56:48] in with some other questions and things like that.

[56:51] » They I brought up Susan's issue to them um and some other with some other

[56:58] questions and things like that for you guys and you know, for myself. uh

[57:02] they're, you know, they do a lot of things. Yeah. So, um they didn't get

[57:07] back to it. They did say that they um were having challenges with the software

[57:11] not doing some of the things it wanted. I don't know if that's specifically

[57:14] around dog licensing or other licenses, but that they had set set up to have a

[57:21] weekly meeting with the the software company to get some of these things

[57:24] fixed. Um, so I just I assume you know when Susan and I talked, we try to

[57:29] figure it out and troubleshoot them [clears throat] whatever happens.

[57:35] » Okay. So I think uh in the PowerPoint that the WP supported the idea that they

[57:40] needed to upgrade things and I think they have I think that it's easier to

[57:44] get to that that part and then u they wanted to prior it just said you could

[57:51] only do a renewal and not an initial but now you can do an initial. I've not done

[57:56] an initial yet. I've just done renewals and then support book licensing uploads

[58:00] for vets. And I'm wondering if that's where the Excel file came in from. Do

[58:04] you think? Because see that would be a bulk. I looked at that because I I did

[58:08] you look at that. I I got it for spayneuter and I said, "Oh my gosh, this

[58:13] is ridiculous." Um and maybe they didn't realize how much more work it would be

[58:17] for the veterinarians to do that than just the little blue forms. Um and maybe

[58:22] they were thinking that would be a bulk upload, but when I talked to Stea and I

[58:26] asked her about it, she said, "Well, that's because then we just have to plug

[58:30] it in because we don't have to do that." And my hey my my thoughts and I said it

[58:34] to her were so you're asking the veterinarians to do your work for free

[58:38] and she said kind of yeah and so I did offer something that's different that I

[58:41] think um I wish licensing was here because u Olsen they hated just not

[58:48] doing something but they were not going to they got upset over that so they quit

[58:51] collecting the money but what they had been doing and I don't know how many

[58:54] other veterinarians are doing this and maybe they're considered one of the

[58:57] three doing it at the end of every month they take the rabies certificate

[59:01] of all the dogs they gave a reg in fact I'm starting to do that at the clinic at

[59:05] the sputer clinic and end they put them in a packet and they send them off and

[59:09] then they can say here these are the people they haven't spent anything but

[59:11] you can send out something to say they need to pay their license and so they're

[59:15] saying that but I thought that it'd be easier if the veterinarians just sent

[59:19] out the rabies certificate because on that certificate it's got everything

[59:22] that you need to know about what would go on except for maybe an email and you

[59:27] could I guess I could add emails and then if you collected did money, you

[59:31] stamped it, paid. I've got a little paid marker then how much they paid and then

[59:35] put those aside and have those that didn't pay and those that did pay and

[59:38] send it in that way. But I do believe that we need to look at incentives for

[59:42] the veterinarians to do something like that. Okay, incentives to do something

[59:45] because it when we when we researched this, it said if you don't do it at the

[59:49] time of of the rabies, it ain't going to get done. 25% is going to get done. I

[59:53] talked to a friend of mine and she said, "Oh, I forgot. I've got that license.

[59:57] It's in my drawer, but I I forgot. I I haven't turned it in yet. And it's

[1:00:00] something that they forget the minute they walk in the door, the license, you

[1:00:04] know, the RA service, you know, stays down. So that's what we learned and they

[1:00:08] said we have to work with, you know, we have to get something working with the

[1:00:11] veterinarians. Um, and they they approved that. And the

[1:00:17] last three things that we had was basically incentives to try to get

[1:00:21] people to license their dog. Okay. And um the first one was a benefit of one

[1:00:27] free ride home. One of the vet, one of the states had one free ride home.

[1:00:30] Obviously, they didn't have any free rides. They were very stingy about that.

[1:00:33] If the dog was microchipped and licensed, everything, they would not

[1:00:36] pick they picked it up, they check in their license, sign it, and they give it

[1:00:39] back to them. There was no charge. Nothing. No charge on for the first

[1:00:42] time. But I think that they you said they kind of already do that, Emily.

[1:00:48] » Say it one more time. I apologize. >> Oh, I'm so sorry, Emily. I know.

[1:00:53] » No, I'm fine. Go ahead. um that the PD and I know they do that

[1:00:57] because they'll call us and say hey we who's the owner of this dog because they

[1:01:01] didn't register give us and they said because we want to take it back to them

[1:01:04] and not bring it to the shelter. So you're doing that more often. We are

[1:01:08] doing that more often. >> Pardon?

[1:01:09] » We are trying to do that more often. >> Yeah, but you

[1:01:12] » has to be home. >> What?

[1:01:14] » The owner has to be home. >> Yeah. So you just can't just lose it,

[1:01:18] » right? >> Yeah. But anyhow, and then the last

[1:01:20] three were uh something that Mike Marlet looked into and it was really pretty

[1:01:25] ingenious. Uh and it and in that particular situation, it did increase

[1:01:29] the numbers of licensing. That was that really cool license where they had

[1:01:33] little coupons that people, you know, PetSmart and everything would give them

[1:01:38] for $5 off or whatever. And so it basically if they got you know how you

[1:01:42] get those little coupon cards that you buy and they've got a whole bunch of

[1:01:45] things you can you pay $10 for it and then you get $20 worth of stuff. And

[1:01:49] they said that they had very good I don't know which I don't know which

[1:01:53] state it was that did that or city that did that. Mike Mike was the one who

[1:01:57] picked it up and I can't remember what it was. But anyhow, um and those I think

[1:02:02] uh we weren't we didn't know if that would really go over but we were hoping

[1:02:05] it would and maybe one day we could because I think it would be a good

[1:02:09] incentive for people to have a cool license for their dog. Did Did you look

[1:02:13] at the the slides? >> I Well, I didn't look at this I I

[1:02:19] watched the presentation. >> Okay.

[1:02:21] » And they didn't mention that. Yes. I So I Okay. sounds, you know, who's going to

[1:02:27] administer that? They're going to go around and and solicit

[1:02:32] » businesses for such a thing. >> And that was a concern that they had,

[1:02:37] » but I'm and I'm sitting here going, you know, I think Smart Pick Wolf Gang would

[1:02:43] love to have their names on there with a little $5 coupon, that little thing that

[1:02:47] they could click on, but I don't know. But they said they didn't have troubles

[1:02:49] getting people on. So, but it does take time and we don't have

[1:02:53] » so it's front end on the costs and so someone's got to it's an investment and

[1:02:59] so and the local government has to buy into that idea of an investment.

[1:03:05] » No, I understand that Mike said that by the way he's pretty good at it. He said

[1:03:09] hey I could do the program for you but I don't think they would want to get in

[1:03:12] their programming do because I could do the whole program for you the credit.

[1:03:15] Okay. So that's what was so those are the recommendations. So basically,

[1:03:21] uh, we just had a couple that you didn't take, I think. Is that right? You So, so

[1:03:26] the it was pretty much agreed upon by the PD and the finance and, uh,

[1:03:32] licensing at that time. Okay. Then it was presented to the city council. I'm

[1:03:36] going to correct myself and say August 13th, uh, and 2024, and it passed seven

[1:03:42] to zero with the city council. And I think the city say council people I I

[1:03:46] listened to that video and they had a lot of good questions that they were

[1:03:49] asking you about it. So you know I think they got involved with I think there's

[1:03:53] some ideas. So that is that answers what what was pro you know what happened with

[1:03:59] the licensing. Um, and uh, I

[1:04:06] since then I've had some communication with with you, Jan, about the fact that

[1:04:10] maybe that the licensing staff is overwhelmed

[1:04:14] because you've added a whole bunch of licensing hand. How many did they say

[1:04:17] you have? >> 80

[1:04:18] » 80 different licenses. Do all licenses bring in revenues or do you have

[1:04:23] licenses that don't? >> Most of them do not bring in enough to

[1:04:26] cover. They bring in they cost money, but they're they're so low dollar that

[1:04:31] they don't it's not a money maker. So, do you do you not agree that if you get

[1:04:37] $800,000 in dog licenses that that's a revenue for the city or not? Yeah,

[1:04:41] » I don't know that it matters what I think.

[1:04:43] » Well, I mean I mean I guess does the city not agree that because that was one

[1:04:48] of the things is it gives the city revenues that then they can just offset

[1:04:52] some of the >> I don't know where your 80,000 is. I

[1:04:55] said 2.9 million, but go ahead. >> I I understand, but I know I'm talking

[1:04:58] about 800,000. Uh the money in like 2010 it was 800,000. I shouldn't say 80,000.

[1:05:03] 800,000. Uh that that should help. Um anyhow um so we need to make licensing

[1:05:11] easier for the staff and um I I'm concerned about what that means. You

[1:05:17] know, what is it that they're having troubles? I'm assuming it's input

[1:05:21] data entry. When I said easier, I didn't mean I just mean I thought it was a good

[1:05:26] time to come up with suggestions. >> Okay.

[1:05:28] » And when you come up with them, be realistic about it that you don't want

[1:05:33] like I don't know that the coupon card is realistic because who is going to go

[1:05:37] out? >> Oh, I'm not going to That's not

[1:05:39] » So that's what I meant. I don't mean that the staff never complains.

[1:05:42] Licensing doesn't complain. They have a they have a very good department. I just

[1:05:46] meant I think we did our best to take your last set of suggestions and we used

[1:05:52] a lot of them and I think we are open to more suggestions but you just have to be

[1:05:57] careful about not working within what we have working with

[1:06:02] the people we have. They're not going to hire more people for this. I doubt maybe

[1:06:07] I'm wrong. Sometimes they do things and I'm surprised but they did buy a new

[1:06:12] software. They do buy software to help this stuff happen. So when I said

[1:06:16] easier, I didn't mean easier on the people. I just meant realistic.

[1:06:20] » Okay. Now, is the software that you have now just for dog licensing? Is it or for

[1:06:25] all licensing? >> They have they bought a subset for dog

[1:06:30] licensing. >> Okay. And have they looked at other

[1:06:33] subsets because they're still using the one that I had some complaints about,

[1:06:37] correct? Or do they did they renew that or did you look at other softwares?

[1:06:40] » I don't look at the software. I just know that they [clears throat] told me

[1:06:44] that they pay a couple hundred,000 a year. Were you not needing a couple

[1:06:49] hundred,000 a year for that >> for software for that

[1:06:53] » for the license for the dogs license? >> Oh, maybe it was 30,000. I'm sorry. I

[1:06:57] need to get my numbers. I thought I emailed you the number. I didn't get

[1:07:00] that number. I didn't get that number. >> Okay. I have the number. I see I feel

[1:07:04] like they said like they have like they have a software that's for all of the

[1:07:08] licensing >> and then there's

[1:07:10] » but they have to buy a build. Yeah, that's what I mean by that. They have an

[1:07:14] add-on >> for what they need and I'm I should not

[1:07:17] butcher the numbers. >> It's not I I think I'm butchering those

[1:07:21] numbers. I have those numbers. Okay. I thought I

[1:07:24] » 30,000 sounds. >> Yeah.

[1:07:26] » And then a update fee every year. >> Yeah. [clears throat] I love that.

[1:07:31] » Well, um, so, uh, I know that when you sent me an

[1:07:37] email, you suggested that there be a committee, a subcommittee or a committee

[1:07:41] that works with Emily and then eventually with the licensing department

[1:07:45] to come up with ideas. And I think one of the things is to come up with ideas

[1:07:49] with um, for veterinarians to try to get veterans to to buy into it. I mean, I'll

[1:07:55] send one time you said we could send you some cookies every week.

[1:08:00] Remember you said that in September of September mean you sent some cookies.

[1:08:04] » Anyhow, so >> it's amazing you buy them off

[1:08:06] veterinarians off of food for >> buy food. Send them send them something

[1:08:12] from from firehouse subs or something and that would be expensive. Anyhow, so

[1:08:17] um I would like >> and I know you're going towards the

[1:08:22] subcommittee, but my question is the board were really not working on

[1:08:26] anything else at the time. I don't see why we can't do this as a board instead

[1:08:30] of doing a subcommittee because we would have public input

[1:08:35] and um the research could be divided between

[1:08:39] the six of us. >> I mean, we've already got questions. I I

[1:08:45] asked that to Jan and she said a committee would be better. I asked her

[1:08:48] if it would be getting if she got you all I don't I mean just you you don't

[1:08:52] meet often enough. You won't get a lot done. Yeah.

[1:08:55] » We also have we also have the authority to have special meetings.

[1:08:59] » Yes, I agree. You have this could be your committee.

[1:09:02] » Yeah. >> I just didn't know if you want to

[1:09:04] include citizens. Um if that was the point of

[1:09:06] » I was told at one point that the subcommittees have to be public.

[1:09:11] » Did you? Yeah. So, you've got citizens there.

[1:09:15] » Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna counter that with a motion that we go ahead and do

[1:09:20] what we asked the last meeting, which is to convene the original subcommittee

[1:09:26] and with the addition of Jason as a veterinarian

[1:09:30] uh and uh get with Emily because then we can get it's it's not just us doing it

[1:09:37] together. It's a as a committee and our committee.

[1:09:39] » Well, we have the committees. I mean Janice said we could be the kinetics.

[1:09:43] » Well, I'm talking about do you guys all want to come together once a week?

[1:09:48] That's what we did once a week and talk about it. I think it'd be easier with

[1:09:52] the committee. Uh but it al also the committee then instead of the board the

[1:09:57] committee in it and also had citizens on there. Tony was on there. Um, uh,

[1:10:04] a veterinarian and I don't know why I don't I cannot think.

[1:10:09] » Yeah, Teresa Burks was on there. She wasn't on the board and then also Chris

[1:10:13] was on there as a citizen. So, the committee was did include citizens in in

[1:10:17] the committee and with Emily on there and you said that we should not go to

[1:10:22] the work with the licensing yet, but we should come up with some ideas. But we

[1:10:26] we've had to talk with licensing to find out what they would what they would

[1:10:30] like. You can submit a list of questions and we'll get them answered from them.

[1:10:35] But they really don't have a dog in this fight, no pun intended. Um they're

[1:10:39] licensing. They don't owe this animal services anything more than they don't

[1:10:45] owe a board. They owe employees. They owe city council. They have city of

[1:10:50] Witchah um

[1:10:54] people um answers, but they don't directly answer to a board, a an animal

[1:11:00] board. So, I think it's better to leave them out of it and submit a list of

[1:11:05] questions >> uh and and it's up to us. We're supposed

[1:11:08] to help you and get you the stuff you need so you can run a committee or or

[1:11:12] meeting >> hold our feet to the fire, not theirs.

[1:11:17] and we'll tell you if they're not answering and that's not like them.

[1:11:19] They're going to answer if we I'd like to go through with the motion that we

[1:11:23] do. >> How are you going to publicize this

[1:11:26] meeting these meetings? >> Uh it usually was publicized uh at the

[1:11:32] uh um on the the thing that they said that we were meeting in such and such a

[1:11:37] place. >> But what's that thing

[1:11:39] » on the police department thing? And I don't know how can you how can you make

[1:11:43] it? >> It would be on the website. So if people

[1:11:46] have put in their notice that they have open meeting uh request if they want the

[1:11:50] notice they will get personal notice for the open meeting but they'll also they

[1:11:55] can put it on the website about the meeting.

[1:11:58] [clears throat] >> I'm going to take the driving of the bus

[1:12:01] from uh from Ellen as she's been running you over with it keep saying Jan did

[1:12:07] this, Jan said this. Let's go with what Jan said. Let's send her that's what she

[1:12:12] said. Let's send them the questions and let them answer the questions. We don't

[1:12:16] need to have any meetings or any boards or nothing. Just send You just heard

[1:12:20] her. >> Yeah, I just

[1:12:21] » I mean I think we could come up with a list,

[1:12:24] » but we won't be doing No, >> not tonight. I don't think we can do

[1:12:28] that. >> You We still have until seven. You

[1:12:32] already know what most of the questions are and we could just send them and

[1:12:36] » might be the quickest way. Trust me. I'm in favor of generating list of

[1:12:42] questions. I think that's >> okay.

[1:12:44] » That's a a good use of our time that we have.

[1:12:47] » So, no second on the on the committee. >> Okay. Then that motion fails and so

[1:12:53] we're going to go through and generate a list of questions, but it's that's going

[1:12:58] to that's going to make it slower. I will just tell you right off the bat,

[1:13:01] it's going to make it slower, I think. >> How could it be any slower from March

[1:13:04] until August of another year? A year and a half. Really? Because you guys had

[1:13:09] your committee before I was on. >> Yeah.

[1:13:11] » And >> it was March and it went till the next

[1:13:14] year. >> A lot of it didn't go into her. I We

[1:13:17] can't go any kicking back. We'll just send her some questions.

[1:13:22] » Okay. And uh Jason, can can you I would like to see

[1:13:28] I would like to see more representation from veterinarians to give us some ideas

[1:13:33] how to get off. And I wanted to ask, do you guys have a local organization of

[1:13:37] that? >> No, it's loose knit.

[1:13:39] » Okay. >> It's on Facebook,

[1:13:41] » but you could at least start maybe with that.

[1:13:43] » Yeah, we could start with I I could start with that. And uh there'll be

[1:13:49] plenty of opinions. I will >> Yeah, I mean there's vocal there's a

[1:13:54] vocal minority as there always is, >> right?

[1:13:58] » And Chris Scar says she could do something. Does she does she run some

[1:14:02] sort of a talk or chat or something? >> Christian Scare.

[1:14:05] » Yeah. >> Well, she's she participates in that

[1:14:09] forum >> in that form. Okay.

[1:14:11] » Frequently, I say, >> could I make a quick comment?

[1:14:15] » Yes. Now, now we have Let me if Sorry, I'm going to leave. Sorry, I have to be

[1:14:19] somewhere. But I'm all for this. I will help you get the information you need,

[1:14:23] but I needed one list, not a scattering of emails from different people asking

[1:14:28] different questions. If you all would come up with one list and email it to

[1:14:31] me, I will get you the answer to anything that I'm allowed to get you the

[1:14:35] answer to. If I'm not allowed, I will give you an answer why you don't get it.

[1:14:39] » Okay. >> And can we whoever sends that, can they

[1:14:42] send it to all of us so that we're all on the same page? As long as

[1:14:47] we don't email everyone back. >> Yes.

[1:14:50] » Yes. >> Okay.

[1:14:51] » Okay. And I'd like to have any input from the from the public. Okay. Um, I

[1:14:57] went to my vets's office today and talked to them about the licensing

[1:15:00] because in the past I years ago I lived in the county and anytime I got my dogs

[1:15:06] vaccinated, they did county license. I moved to the city and then they did the

[1:15:11] city license. Well, my dog's not due until September, so I haven't had it

[1:15:15] this year. So, I went to ask him, "Are they still doing that?" And I was told

[1:15:18] no and I asked why. And I was told and this is the office manager. I didn't

[1:15:24] talk with that. And she said, "Well, part of it is they want us to do the

[1:15:28] spreadsheet. I don't have time for a spreadsheet. They've got all this the

[1:15:32] spreadsheet that they want me to put all this information." And she says, "I

[1:15:35] don't have time for this." Reason number two is the vet wanted to send those in

[1:15:40] with a check to pay for them. Licensing will not accept that. They want it all

[1:15:45] online. >> It's been told. Yeah.

[1:15:48] » So, that would be one question. >> A credit card,

[1:15:51] » you know. >> Yes. What's the best way to record the

[1:15:55] questions? >> Yes. Yes. So, um,

[1:15:59] » right. >> Yeah.

[1:16:01] » So, question and and that's something that you need to check with the

[1:16:05] veterinarians on that. >> That's how it was in the old days.

[1:16:11] » Send a check in. >> Yeah. They'd send a check. We'd collect

[1:16:15] the money. Then we'd send we had a pile of stack of the triplicate forms and you

[1:16:23] know and they'd send that stack in and with a check and that's how that worked.

[1:16:28] And then the county license I mean hardly anybody paid the county license.

[1:16:33] » I did. >> You're a good person though.

[1:16:36] You know, >> I will say that when I went to pay that

[1:16:40] um it was you could use a debit card, credit card, and supposedly you could do

[1:16:45] an a straight out of your checking account,

[1:16:48] which is what I wanted to do, but it didn't. I like that. So, actually, I

[1:16:52] think that would be another question. >> Okay. Um,

[1:16:57] » most clinics have a a credit card that they could use for such a thing, but not

[1:17:04] everyone would. Um, there's not a there's not a uniform way that people

[1:17:09] get, you know, they get paid take payments. There are some places

[1:17:15] that, you know, I still swiping the swiping the credit card thing, you know,

[1:17:20] so that makes it tough for some of the less progressive

[1:17:25] veterinarians to pay. >> I mean, maybe we don't even worry about

[1:17:29] them. It's the the ones that are up with technology.

[1:17:32] » Okay. So, the question to ask would be uh what other ways can uh can the

[1:17:37] veterinarians pay for the >> you have to ask would be Go ahead.

[1:17:41] » You know, willing would you be willing Okay.

[1:17:44] » To reconsider being the collection agency.

[1:17:50] » Well, that's the question for the vets. I think we're trying to collect

[1:17:54] questions, but okay. That's a question that I would

[1:17:59] have >> because first we got to find out if they

[1:18:02] are willing to do anything. >> If licensing says no, then it doesn't

[1:18:06] matter what. >> Right.

[1:18:07] » Right. full license >> because the vets say no then it

[1:18:11] » because it used to be they you you paid your bill they sent it they handed you

[1:18:15] the thing you wrote out a check and you mailed it and I sometimes I would write

[1:18:20] them a check and you just stuck it in an envelope right there and it was mailed

[1:18:23] to the city >> let let if let's spitball is what we're

[1:18:27] doing maybe six or eight good questions let's not give them 20 or 30 but hold on

[1:18:31] a second Helen please um >> we have another Trish wants to come and

[1:18:37] speak. >> I guess you know that

[1:18:39] » trying to recognize me, George. >> Yes, I've been trying to say

[1:18:43] » Yeah, I wanted them to be able to >> Anyone else that would like to speak?

[1:18:46] Yes, Trish. Yes. Um, and you guys got an email of what I was going to say, so I

[1:18:51] don't I sent it through the board email. >> Read it. Read it so everyone can.

[1:18:55] » I don't need to [clears throat] read it, but I'll recap the important parts in a

[1:18:58] conversational way because that's better.

[1:19:00] » Okay. I don't have the email. >> Well, that way we'll I can I can send it

[1:19:05] to you different. Um, but basically I'm here because I I haven't always lived in

[1:19:12] Witchah and I've been surprised that it the collecting the license didn't happen

[1:19:17] at the veterinarian. And I think considering the fact that 16 years ago

[1:19:22] we had 40,000 licenses that were collected and we've made $800,000 as a

[1:19:27] city. Um, then now we're talking 8,000 licenses a year. That's that's a

[1:19:34] significant problem in process and and you're asking questions to figure out

[1:19:39] how to fix those processes and I think that's exactly what is needed but it's

[1:19:44] also needed to have the citizen input to push the getting the answers. We we all

[1:19:49] have to be engaged in talking to our city council people so that it becomes

[1:19:53] something more important to them to get pushed through. Um, and I think when

[1:19:58] I've been talking to my veterinarian and to other veterinarians, one of the

[1:20:03] things is is they've told me about the spreadsheet, which is just undoable.

[1:20:08] Um, and then [clears throat] also I think it's unrealistic and unfair for us

[1:20:12] as a as a community to ask veterinarians to do something that takes their

[1:20:17] people's time and effort and energy without paying them for it. So, I really

[1:20:21] think it's important if we're asking veterinarians to collect licenses for

[1:20:25] the city, which is going to mean a substantial revenue stream, whether it's

[1:20:30] 2.9 million, at least 800,000, um then then we should be giving them, I

[1:20:37] suggest just to chuck a number out there, $2 per license. That seems like a

[1:20:41] reasonable not nothing fee. something that that could compensate for hopefully

[1:20:47] it's not taking more than 10 minutes per license uh in doing now maybe I'm wrong

[1:20:53] I I'm not totally knowledgeable so but just saying if we need to be able to

[1:20:59] compensate for the work that they're doing on the city's behalf and on our

[1:21:02] citizens behalf because as I'm also talking to my animal friendly friends

[1:21:08] the people that I know that are picking up strays around town I mean they you

[1:21:12] know people that are just really engaged. I talked to my one friend and

[1:21:16] she's like, "Does does the city do licenses? This is an animalged person

[1:21:22] who doesn't know that the city does licenses." And and [clears throat] she

[1:21:26] goes, "Well, why why would you do licenses, Trish?" And I said, "Well,

[1:21:32] so that you can make sure that rabies vaccines are done. So that you can help

[1:21:37] to fund the animal services that the city does." And to your point and your I

[1:21:42] think everybody's point, I think it's important in the marketing campaign that

[1:21:46] the city might do that we do change how we I know nobody likes designating

[1:21:53] dollars because it makes budgeting harder, but if we can say 50% of all

[1:21:59] licensing goes specifically to animal related issues in Witchah, then you're

[1:22:05] what am I paying for? You're paying for the shelter. You're paying for

[1:22:08] spayneuter clinics. You're paying for animal control officers. That's part of

[1:22:13] that marketing piece and that buy in. What What am I getting with this 15

[1:22:16] bucks? What am I What am I getting? >> People would be willing to pay

[1:22:22] » if they knew that that money was going towards

[1:22:26] » all of this. >> I agree because people hear the general

[1:22:29] fund and although it comes out of the general fund, all they hear is general

[1:22:32] fund >> and they don't know how much of that

[1:22:34] goes%. Well, because when I was talking to

[1:22:37] Dalton this afternoon, I said because I asked him about um the animal shelter in

[1:22:43] general and he he said, "I just got it. It's 900 pages and I haven't started

[1:22:46] reading it yet." >> The the budget.

[1:22:50] » Oh, yeah. >> So, um he will let me know.

[1:22:53] » Well, and and I think that it help >> He did say he did say that it he saw

[1:22:58] that it has an increase. So >> I I think it does make a significant

[1:23:03] difference to the population, especially considering that all the conversations

[1:23:07] we're having around trust and transparency that we do something that

[1:23:11] is so transparent as to say licensing income 50% equals animal issues. Bing

[1:23:18] bing bing bing, right? That's something very clear line because when it goes all

[1:23:22] into the general fund then it becomes a polit not a bad word but a political

[1:23:28] decision as to what gets spent where and if the public isn't engaged in speaking

[1:23:34] loudly and forcefully for animals and the spending therein then that may not

[1:23:40] get funded in that year right something else may be taking priority and if we

[1:23:45] can if we can concrete ensure a certain certain percentage of that licensing.

[1:23:51] Again, it goes to the marketing. People know that their money is going where

[1:23:55] they care about. It's doing something for them in their community. They're

[1:23:59] sure of it. Um, >> it's also education, which is one of our

[1:24:05] » mandates. >> Mandate. Well, what we're on. So,

[1:24:09] » and what else, Trey? >> So, I'm just going to recap with the

[1:24:12] three things that I was asking. And again, I'll get the email to you and all

[1:24:15] the >> It went to spam.

[1:24:17] » Oh, okay. Great. Well, I mean, not whatever, you know.

[1:24:21] » Yes. >> Um, partner with veterinarians to

[1:24:23] collect license fees at the time of rabies vaccination. I don't if

[1:24:28] veterinarians are like my husband, you don't tell them to do it. [laughter] You

[1:24:32] ask them nicely and you have incentive for why they could partner with the city

[1:24:37] to do it. A $2 per license uh fee for them that they get to keep. Um,

[1:24:42] compensate clin modestly. $2 per license to cover the time and encourage

[1:24:46] participation. modernize and adequately staff the licensing system so

[1:24:51] veterinarians and residents can submit information quickly and efficiently. And

[1:24:55] it sounds like they're already doing weekly conversations with the with the

[1:24:59] the coders with the programmers, right?

[1:25:03] They're working on it. And sometimes we can't just say get it done and it gets

[1:25:07] done. It's in a process. Okay, we get that. But we also have to say, but we

[1:25:12] need to make sure the process works because the QR code, my vet had a QR

[1:25:17] code on the wall. I scanned the QR code. It was it was not active. [laughter]

[1:25:22] So, you know, it Yeah, it's one of those things that I have tried to license my

[1:25:28] dog before and ran into a dead end. And so, we're all very busy. When we get

[1:25:33] home, the piece of paper goes onto the pile of to-dos and the urgent things

[1:25:39] stay at the top. and everything else floats down. And so I think it's very

[1:25:44] obviously that's happening. 40,000 to 8,000.

[1:25:49] That's that's an issue. That's something that has to be corrected. And and it's

[1:25:55] not because people love Witchah less or their animals less. It's a process

[1:26:00] issue. And that's where you as a board are thankfully asking great questions

[1:26:06] that can get to what those process issues are so we can get them fixed and

[1:26:11] we can [clears throat] get back to 80,000 licenses because from what I

[1:26:14] understand there's probably over a 100,000 animals in dogs in Witchah that

[1:26:20] could be licensed and if we're capturing 80 that's much more realistic. Um, and I

[1:26:25] think we could do that. And then we're getting into the millions of dollars in

[1:26:29] revenue that, you know, people can actually support spay and neuter clinics

[1:26:34] so that we don't have as many stray dogs and our shelters aren't overrun and all

[1:26:38] the things. So thank you for your time and thank you sincerely for your service

[1:26:43] on this very important issue because people don't come and

[1:26:49] engage and serve the way you guys do um in very many aspects and I you guys

[1:26:55] thank you very much for what you do. >> Yes, George,

[1:26:58] » when you said $2, I saw uh Jason like two and if it did take 10 minutes six

[1:27:05] times two is 12. I pay my people more than $12 an hour. So maybe three might

[1:27:10] be a better number because that's $18 an hour. I bet his

[1:27:14] » that's a veterinarian conversation and and I think the city should be open to

[1:27:18] that. >> Is it responsibility or are you giving a

[1:27:22] convenience fee to the pet owner? You don't have to go home and do this.

[1:27:26] » That's what I was thinking about. >> And so I think that's a debate at some

[1:27:30] point. I would like to know um can you send those of us that are not vets a

[1:27:36] copy of this spreadsheet that spreadsheet that they want you to

[1:27:40] » I can I can print it out. Well, I'll try. Yeah, I'll just send I'll just send

[1:27:44] it to you. I'll send you what they sent to you. Okay. You look at that. Now, my

[1:27:47] thought is okay. Um Chris Gar said, "Well, I don't want to be paid to do

[1:27:52] this. I'll donate it back in there." So, there are some vets who just wait just

[1:27:58] wait. Just wait. Just wait. So I think that I think that we need to talk to the

[1:28:04] veterinarians. These are things that we can ask the license committee. But we

[1:28:07] also we can't do anything even until we get a feeler on the veterary clinics.

[1:28:12] And one of the police I think it was um so I can't think of who it was that told

[1:28:16] me he said you know a lot of veterary clinics are not owned by corporates and

[1:28:20] corporates have no buy in and are they going to be the ones who said we're not

[1:28:24] going to do that? You know she said >> then we need to get the education out

[1:28:27] there so that their clients say okay I want this convenience.

[1:28:32] Well, it's we need we need to talk to the veterinarians. And so this is where

[1:28:37] this is where maybe um you and I can get together and figure out what we can send

[1:28:42] out to the veterinarians. Okay. >> Do you have like a list of all local

[1:28:47] » Well, oh yeah, let's go to the yellow pages, right?

[1:28:51] » Yeah. No, I can put a list together. But so that's something that we can do in

[1:28:55] addition to getting questions for them. But

[1:28:58] » I want right now I want to mention right now that I think

[1:29:03] that we should have a special meeting over this and have a special meeting for

[1:29:07] just discussion of licensing and let the public know that can come in and talk

[1:29:12] about it. >> I think we need some answers first.

[1:29:15] » Well, I think that we're going to get some answers and some more questions if

[1:29:19] the if we have more people right that are there. But I think maybe

[1:29:24] » it will it's also be another time for us to talk about it because we cannot just

[1:29:29] we we're going to have to have a meeting to talk about it.

[1:29:32] » Well, and hopefully like say we do that in 30 days or whatever or whatever.

[1:29:36] » Well, I was thinking >> um

[1:29:38] » more like in two three weeks. >> Okay. But hopefully we'll have answers

[1:29:43] back from the licensing and you might at least have some feedback

[1:29:50] from the vets. >> Well, I don't I don't think that I think

[1:29:53] that we should go back and think about what questions we have

[1:29:57] » we do because that >> and then come back and then come back in

[1:30:00] a couple weeks and and have a I hate to say this a special meeting. It'll be

[1:30:05] like instead of a subcommittee just going to be the whole board, okay? where

[1:30:08] we can have it listed that we're gonna be discussing licensing and people can

[1:30:11] listen to what we're talking about and maybe we can have some veterinarians.

[1:30:15] » Let's talk to Emily and see if we can use that room right there, you know,

[1:30:20] that little conference room >> and then they can go do their little

[1:30:23] tour and say, >> "No, no, because you have to be able to

[1:30:27] let the public come and that's not enough place for the public." Okay. So,

[1:30:30] that would not work. >> 50's public. How many more are coming?

[1:30:34] 20. I I do want to work on the question because we've only got

[1:30:37] » read back the questions that you wrote. >> Okay. So far I just have um licensing

[1:30:42] accepting checks or credit card a payments and what other ways can people

[1:30:49] or what are the ways people can pay? Are they going to a cashless? That's really

[1:30:54] um and then would you well the vets that

[1:30:58] was a question for the vets. So that's really the only thing is payment. That's

[1:31:02] only that's the only question I have. So far

[1:31:04] » I know >> are same.

[1:31:06] » Okay. And you have something you would like.

[1:31:08] » Quick comment. Vince Hancock. I volunteer on Wednesday mornings at a

[1:31:12] local senior center. I work with seniors in technology. And as arguably the

[1:31:17] fourth youngest person in this room, we have a lot of seniors that like to have

[1:31:21] options in payment. Meaning some of us still remember that in God you trust,

[1:31:27] all others pay cash. So, while I understand our governments really love

[1:31:33] to move to a cashless society because it makes things easier for them, a lot of

[1:31:37] us seniors say, "Hey, in fact, a lot of the ones I work with say, I want a paper

[1:31:42] invoice. Thank you." And others say, "Text it or email it." But they want the

[1:31:46] choice to be able to do that. And I think it's appropriate for the citizens

[1:31:49] to push back to say electronic options are good, but when you take away the

[1:31:54] older paper options of I would like to pay in cash, I would like to pay with

[1:31:59] check. I would like a paper invoice. I'm even encouraging my seniors, if your

[1:32:04] business, like say your utility business wants to charge you a dollar a month for

[1:32:09] getting a stamped envelope with a paper invoice, that's a reasonable recovery of

[1:32:15] their cost. But you just I I've had one company, one utility company say, "Uh,

[1:32:20] we will not give you uh paper invoices, otherwise we're going to charge you $20

[1:32:25] a month." >> Really?

[1:32:27] » They're out of town, but still. >> Now, now I will say that when I talked

[1:32:30] to um Alejandra with licensing, she kept

[1:32:36] telling me that people are mailing in their licensing, and if they're mailing

[1:32:40] in their licensing, they've got to be paid with ship,

[1:32:42] » right? So, I'm not quite sure that that's not happening.

[1:32:45] » And that would be one of our questions in

[1:32:48] » from the vet. And another >> Oh, they would accept from the vets.

[1:32:50] Okay. I think from the people his check, >> they would not accept his.

[1:32:55] » Um, one other thing is I did ask the question, would a $2 fee from the city

[1:33:02] help you to offset your cost? Would you be willing to do licensing then? And she

[1:33:07] said, probably not. I don't have the time. And they're saying too they can't

[1:33:11] hire people to work in their office. They've only got two people in their

[1:33:15] office. They usually have four. >> Okay. I'm gonna for Spain Kansas, we're

[1:33:19] going to start except we're going to start uh you know paying although we

[1:33:24] have the poorest of the poor who are going to say we only paid $50 for the

[1:33:28] surgery and now you're going to pay charge me $15 for a license. But we have

[1:33:31] some people that would. Okay. But um um >> so what other question? I just I know

[1:33:38] » just wait. I just wait. I think and I want to just something that we can that

[1:33:43] Jason you and I and some other vets can talk about or you know you can visit is

[1:33:47] is that if you just print off which is what Olsson does the rabies certificate

[1:33:52] and they you stamp it. Do you still have a stamp that you stamp or did you not

[1:33:57] did you not get one of those? I was we're number 61 as a vendor.

[1:34:01] » I'm just a veterinarian. I don't Brenda. >> It's It's not your Yeah, we need to have

[1:34:05] » my wife who does that and she's she's like, "Who's got time for this? Who's

[1:34:10] got >> Okay. Well,

[1:34:12] » because we don't we have hard enough time getting the stuff done that we need

[1:34:16] to get done for the business. >> And it is it is hard to do. And now we

[1:34:22] it's it's I mean I hate to be that devil's advocate because I'm I have to

[1:34:26] pay for all this food, but I got a business to run and it's like you you

[1:34:33] want me to do what? This is my wife talking. She's a veterinarian, too.

[1:34:37] » She's you want me to do you want you want us to do this? Oh, spreadsheets.

[1:34:42] Oh, my head's going. >> Oh, that was the worst thing they ever

[1:34:44] did. But if all you do is I printed off, in fact, I started printing off three

[1:34:49] baby certificates. And maybe it's not that hard, but when you add, it's a

[1:34:54] mental hurdle, I guess. And then there are some that like Kristen Scare, she is

[1:34:59] a public service-minded person. She got that from her dad. But this is a new day

[1:35:04] and there's not that many people that have a

[1:35:08] public service. And that extends into the professional realm, too. Even though

[1:35:13] And it's like we as veterinarians, we give, we give, we give. And now you're

[1:35:16] asking me to give some more. So that's this is going to be something that that

[1:35:21] maybe you and I can work with and come up with something with there. Yes,

[1:35:25] Trish. >> So that I want to get Nancy is rightly

[1:35:29] so trying to get to questions and I appreciate that, but I think that's one

[1:35:32] of the questions that really is key to ask

[1:35:34] » because licensing needs to be asked. How can we make the information system from

[1:35:41] veterinarians to you easy and seamless? you know where we're like scanning the

[1:35:49] RA they send in the RA what they're already doing the radius certificate

[1:35:52] scanning those in and that is callulling the I mean how can we make it so easy

[1:35:58] it's not >> well first we're going to assume that

[1:36:00] the veterinarians will have buy in >> sure

[1:36:03] » so you have to market to them too not only just the general public

[1:36:07] » yes sir >> I mean maybe even more so

[1:36:09] » correct >> so so I think what we need to do is

[1:36:13] visit with the veterinarians and find out who's in favor who's going to say no

[1:36:18] and who would and maybe they have some ideas and then then present that at the

[1:36:23] meeting and say these are some ideas that the veterinarian has given us will

[1:36:26] you accept them okay what can you work with us

[1:36:29] » along with that question how can we make it easier for vets to submit info I

[1:36:35] think yes >> and then also to say to see can you send

[1:36:40] us the the procedures you have now So that

[1:36:46] » I'm gonna send out to you guys. Can you >> I'm gonna send out the the the Excel

[1:36:50] file I was ask to fill out. Okay. Yeah. Did you look at that? Did your wife look

[1:36:54] at that Excel file? >> No.

[1:36:56] » An Excel file. It would be nice if you >> She looked at that.

[1:36:59] » It's an Excel file. >> But it would be nice if they they gave

[1:37:02] you something that you've already got this information and then downloaded.

[1:37:06] » They they gave us something, but I'll just tell you what. I'll send it out. I

[1:37:09] almost did that and but I said, "Well, anyway, I'll send it to you guys in a

[1:37:12] couple." >> All right. So, I have two questions so

[1:37:14] far. Um I think I think maybe there was a question that we might have gotten

[1:37:19] lost which is what is the I would like to know what is the breakdown of uh

[1:37:24] people using the system to pay and people paying by check

[1:37:30] » or people mailing in their >> Okay. So what is breakdown? Okay. So I'm

[1:37:33] going to say >> so how are people engaged with the

[1:37:37] licensing system? >> How are they getting their payments

[1:37:40] made? Right. a check in the mail come into

[1:37:44] » and then also how many vets how many are received by vets because you still have

[1:37:50] » well I know but how many licenses was it 100 licenses was it 50

[1:37:54] » oh you mean >> you know I don't and I don't know if

[1:37:56] they can numbers >> right received

[1:38:01] » and I would also like to ask them how

[1:38:06] manyear licenses have they come have they in fact I've already asked them I

[1:38:10] think didn't you Ask them that, Emily. That was one of the questions. How many

[1:38:14] three-year licenses have they taken in and how are they

[1:38:17] » two year, two years? >> Or the two one, two or three years.

[1:38:20] Break down how many licenses are one year, two year, or three year. And I

[1:38:23] asked him, "Why would you do two year?" And she said, "Because we have some

[1:38:25] people that come in from another city that has a three-year license. They've

[1:38:28] already paid for the one year from them. And so, they're only going to be for two

[1:38:32] years, so they only pay for two years." And so, that's why they have one, two,

[1:38:35] and three tiered situation. >> I got a question for Jason real quick.

[1:38:40] Get your crystal ball out. So, let's say there's 140,000 dogs in Witchah.

[1:38:47] Not how many of them are going to a vet? Not forget the license for a second. How

[1:38:52] many would you say percentage of those? >> Huh? Less than a half round half. So,

[1:38:57] 70. So, [clears throat] 70,000. So, the rest are just not not going to a vet.

[1:39:04] » And that I think too comes down to >> they're going to us for emergency stuff.

[1:39:09] But as far as >> not for the rabies shot, no. Ain't

[1:39:13] happen. So what half? Okay. >> Well, and also we do have an awful lot

[1:39:16] of clinics do give free rabies now. We'd have to engage in them to see how they

[1:39:22] could get that done because we just But let's go back to what what we're going

[1:39:25] to ask to I that's why I think that's why I think that we should because I've

[1:39:29] got to go on to finish this thing up and poor Emily sitting there thinking please

[1:39:34] Ellen make it a short meeting. I think that we need to have another meeting. uh

[1:39:39] to just talk about the licensing and have it be an open meeting and invite

[1:39:42] some of the practice managers maybe to come and and uh and give their input.

[1:39:50] » Maybe we need to give more time to prepare for that than two weeks.

[1:39:55] » Well, I think I say we'll do >> we can throw it out there.

[1:39:58] » We [clears throat] can do it for three weeks, not two weeks. We can do it in

[1:40:00] three weeks. Have a meeting in three weeks.

[1:40:02] » Bring cookies. >> Bring cookies. I'll bring food.

[1:40:05] » I'll bring food. You're a good cook. you can bring something. Um,

[1:40:10] and I know that it's hard on people to to do this, but I think if that's how

[1:40:14] you're going to do that, we're going to have to act like that. I mean, we can't

[1:40:17] just say, "Well, let's all get together." And I think we would have a

[1:40:20] serious issue with co with coma being, you know, sitting in this stuff because

[1:40:24] right now we're able to talk back and forth. We can't do that on the internet.

[1:40:28] We cannot do that on email. And so I think we just [clears throat] have to

[1:40:31] have a meeting and uh and invite the people that are interested with some

[1:40:35] ideas and in three weeks do you think we could talk within

[1:40:40] » only try? >> Okay. We could put out a How about if I

[1:40:43] generate a survey >> and how about if I generate a survey and

[1:40:48] send it to you and have you look at it and then

[1:40:50] » I'll put my name on. >> Don't put your name on it.

[1:40:52] » I will put my name. >> You'll put your name on. Okay. Good.

[1:40:54] We'll generate a survey. Okay. To send out.

[1:40:56] » Put my name on. >> And to put your name on.

[1:40:58] » Okay. Question number five is several people have said no reminders are being

[1:41:02] sent out >> and that's true.

[1:41:06] » I I have to say so who gets the reminders? Do you opt in for a reminder

[1:41:10] like like you opted in? Right. >> Right.

[1:41:14] » So >> did you get it?

[1:41:15] » Well, I don't know because I just did it till next year.

[1:41:18] » And this one is actually I did a two years. So I'm not going to know for two

[1:41:21] years. >> Why would you opt in? It should be it

[1:41:23] shouldn't have opted. >> Agreed. Agreed. But we if we find out

[1:41:26] even >> I have a big suspicion on how that's not

[1:41:29] happening for most people. We've got last year's 8,000 um things and this

[1:41:34] year's 8,000 things or slated to be if it trend whatever. I think they're only

[1:41:40] doing people who did license last year. So all the people who did, you know,

[1:41:45] that because it's a process thing and they're not going to waste money sending

[1:41:48] mail because pit dogs died and so they don't want to send out to people five

[1:41:52] years ago who haven't sent in a license. But if licenses have gone down so much

[1:41:58] that they're only sending it to the hardcore I'm going to give you my money

[1:42:02] if I have to shove it down your throat people. Then those are only the people

[1:42:06] who are getting reminders anymore and that's why nobody's seeing reminders.

[1:42:11] It's a it's a process issue and so they're sending them

[1:42:15] » if they were if we're going to ask the veterinarians how many get reminders.

[1:42:18] How many of their their clients get I don't believe that they're sending them

[1:42:21] out. I hate to say this, >> but I don't believe they're sending them

[1:42:24] out. >> And if your dog died, is there and you

[1:42:27] get a reminder? >> Is there a way to on there it says the

[1:42:30] dog has been deceased? Yes. Okay. Yes, >> it has. Yes,

[1:42:33] » it's supposed to be on the reminder. >> It used to be there.

[1:42:37] » Okay. inter led with that she is the president

[1:42:41] of when which is the independent neighborhoods for all of Witchah and she

[1:42:46] has a page and she could get that information out for us some

[1:42:51] » plus we've got um College Hills the neighborhood that I live in and we've

[1:42:55] got the big um thing at the pool coming up and why can't we talk to people have

[1:43:01] people come with little things saying hey did you remember we actually do have

[1:43:05] licensing and here's what it goes four and

[1:43:08] » I've actually been invited to a neighborhood association in district 4

[1:43:13] to to kind of update because they've never really been talked to about even

[1:43:19] all the changes and so uh we're going to be scheduling that and before and I I I

[1:43:26] speak at the DAB and this is to you guys about every two or three months an

[1:43:30] update at the district advisory board what's going on and that would once we

[1:43:36] kind of have some ideas, I would really encourage to do that. And then when I

[1:43:41] first got on, I did email um everyone who had a neighborhood

[1:43:46] association or an HOA and I actually got invited to a couple of events to hand

[1:43:51] out uh information and I got pamphlets from the shelter and and so we're

[1:43:56] supposed to be doing some education and and I would encourage

[1:44:01] » and and we can once we get that >> Where is that? Oh, I'm sorry. So

[1:44:07] » off topic. >> What's that?

[1:44:09] » The flyer. >> The flyer.

[1:44:10] » Oh, flyer. Oh, for this. >> Well, no,

[1:44:13] » it does talk about licensing though. Talks about just what we

[1:44:16] » Does talk about anything about license? I don't

[1:44:19] » I don't think it did. >> I don't know.

[1:44:20] » I'd have to go look, but and and I know that we're going to update some of those

[1:44:25] flyers >> and flyers or there's a flyer marketing

[1:44:30] has a flyer in our lobby just for license

[1:44:32] » for licensing. Can you send that to us? We only have dog license. Well, you mean

[1:44:37] like not other random city licenses, >> but 80 licenses. So, is there one just

[1:44:42] for dog license? >> Yeah.

[1:44:43] » Cool. >> Can you send could do email copy that

[1:44:46] email? Sure. >> Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go

[1:44:50] ahead because we do have so getting kind of close and I'm just going like this.

[1:44:54] Um, no, that's I'm not I'm just I'm just

[1:44:57] kidding. You weren't doing that. Um, then can I make a motion that we agree

[1:45:02] to meet in three weeks? We have to find out the time and the

[1:45:08] place and it has to be on I can well Stephanie

[1:45:15] she's not with us anymore. Stephanie can send out something uh

[1:45:21] whatever or else I'll do it until next meeting. I don't know. But we do need to

[1:45:26] we you know this has been going on too long and we need to start looking at it

[1:45:30] [clears throat] >> and uh this is a good good thing that's

[1:45:33] come up here. >> Three weeks would be August 5th.

[1:45:37] » I mean if we could make it exactly halfway in between or okay that would be

[1:45:41] good. >> July and September.

[1:45:43] » Okay. >> Halfway in between September.

[1:45:46] » That would be the n Whoops. >> That'd be four weeks.

[1:45:49] » That' be the 12th. And by that time, maybe we would have time to to really do

[1:45:54] a good show. >> Come up with something a draft and then

[1:45:57] Okay.

[1:46:00] » And I'm gonna send you guys what they sent us. And I think you're going to be

[1:46:04] shocked. >> Well,

[1:46:07] they're going to be shocked with with what they sent to the veterinarians

[1:46:11] because there's two things that you got to do and you got to do one then you got

[1:46:15] to go into another thing. You got to import into subject. It's a mess.

[1:46:18] » Okay. There's eight Wednesdays between this meeting and the next.

[1:46:24] » So it would be it so we'd either do it the 12th or the 19th would either be the

[1:46:27] fourth or fifth week. >> Uh

[1:46:31] » 12th >> 12th.

[1:46:34] » Okay. Uh and so we'll do the we'll do the 12th and see. Um I'll send out

[1:46:40] » Well, we can What's What do you guys I don't need to send out I think because

[1:46:44] we've got everyone but Stephanie here. Yeah, you just send it. We Well, send it

[1:46:49] to me and then you can send it to everybody else too as a CC.

[1:46:54] » Okay. CC survey. >> No, no, no.

[1:47:01] » Talking points for veterinarians. >> Oh, I Yes, I can do that.

[1:47:07] » Okay. So, >> so we have five questions. I think

[1:47:13] » we have five questions for them. Yeah, that was it.

[1:47:17] » Licensing. >> I have licensing the the money, how

[1:47:21] they're paying payment options, which covers quite a bit of um how can we make

[1:47:26] it easier for the vets to submit info the break. Okay, that's question number

[1:47:31] three is the breakdown um between digital checks in the mail um or how

[1:47:37] many came through the vets. And then question number four is how many one,

[1:47:41] two, and threeear licenses. And then number five is on the reminders.

[1:47:46] » Okay. Well, I would do a number six one. I'm gonna say what do they think would

[1:47:51] be could would help them. So I would suggest

[1:47:53] » Okay. >> What could you what information could

[1:47:56] you give us that would make your job easier? Okay. So that would be this the

[1:47:59] next one. >> Can I can I recommend just I'm not

[1:48:02] trying to change but no it's what you're wanting to ask which is how how can what

[1:48:07] are your recommendations for getting licenses back to the 40,000 license

[1:48:13] level. >> That's that's

[1:48:16] not the quite that's not the >> Can you repeat what you said?

[1:48:19] » Okay. Say what would make >> what would make their job easier to get

[1:48:24] this taken care of and then >> participation. Yeah. Awesome.

[1:48:28] » And then they could say, "What do they recommend we do too?" So that would be

[1:48:31] two different questions. >> Well, I'm my question is what what do

[1:48:35] they think they can do? >> Yes.

[1:48:38] » In their changing in their process to get

[1:48:41] » Yeah. >> I mean, they know their process. They

[1:48:43] know >> 40,000 is to 8,000 is a huge change.

[1:48:48] What they can give suggestions to you guys and how they think they can get

[1:48:53] back up to 40,000. I would think they're professionals. Let them problem solve.

[1:49:00] » Okay. So, the problem that we have now is that we've got some questions.

[1:49:03] Hopefully, you can type them up and send them out to everybody, but we cannot

[1:49:08] talk about it. Okay. Because we cannot do anything. I mean, we can talk three

[1:49:13] and three, >> but we're can we can talk, but but so

[1:49:17] that's why we need to have a committee because we can't do this. We cannot do

[1:49:22] this by the by email. We can't because it's going to end up getting us in

[1:49:26] trouble because people are going to be saying, "What about this? What about

[1:49:29] this?" And all a sudden we have discussion over not the same questions,

[1:49:33] but we have a discussion over the same agenda item. Okay.

[1:49:37] » If we get the answers [clears throat] >> and one of us has questions on the

[1:49:43] answer, we could always send it to Emily >> and she can send it on.

[1:49:48] » I don't know. We can do that. We cannot do that. But

[1:49:52] you could you could just email Jan, but you can't email the rest of us.

[1:49:55] » But then but then that's that's coming back and forth. That is that is a

[1:49:59] meeting. Okay. If Jan answers it and answers all of us, that's breaks or even

[1:50:03] for that breaks coma. So I will I'll verify this. But I'll tell you what they

[1:50:08] say. You don't even you know you you >> I'm not saying that we that we send our

[1:50:14] questions to all of us. I'm saying if we have a question on the

[1:50:20] response, we could send it to Jan or to Jan or or

[1:50:24] » but I think I think that the question should be all it should not be just an

[1:50:29] individual here and here and here and we don't I think it should be a questions

[1:50:31] that come as a poll. Okay. So let's just what's going to happen is we're going to

[1:50:36] go ahead and have a meeting in in a month. Okay. Time and place will be

[1:50:41] determined >> and and do we think we'll have answers

[1:50:43] to those questions at that time? No. Well,

[1:50:47] » I hope so. Why would we not? We can send those away.

[1:50:50] » We can talk about send those to Emily to send to

[1:50:56] Emily and Jen. Will you take those >> and send those to them? Okay. And tell

[1:51:01] them that we would like answers by the next meeting which would be

[1:51:08] » 12th of August. >> August.

[1:51:12] What was >> I saw? What was your question for what

[1:51:16] did you >> Well, I I was trying I thought I was

[1:51:19] trying to get to the same place, but but it's what would their recommendation be

[1:51:24] » how to get licensing back up to previous high levels of 40,000 licenses? What are

[1:51:32] their re process recommendations? And it would whether that's email reminders of

[1:51:36] past or working I mean whatever. What are their recommendations for getting

[1:51:41] back up to past higher levels? >> It's somewhat same. I'm just saying what

[1:51:48] that's I'm trying to say what how is it going

[1:51:52] to be made easier? Okay. How can we do that? Because I'm saying

[1:51:56] » recommendations to make this >> what what is what is the most difficult

[1:51:59] thing about this that's hard for you to do or something like that.

[1:52:02] » Yeah. So I have two on that. I have what would make your job easier? What

[1:52:06] obstacles you >> face? That's a good What obstacles do

[1:52:10] you face? That's a good That's a good way of putting it.

[1:52:12] » Yeah. So, I think that there are two two parts of it.

[1:52:17] » Do you have any recommendations? >> What do you think about how things come

[1:52:20] into >> Okay.

[1:52:22] » I know we elected you first chair for a reason. [laughter]

[1:52:28] » Okay. >> We have seven questions.

[1:52:31] » Okay. And you're going to send those? >> I will send all of us to

[1:52:37] » CC. Yeah, just send them all and that should be maybe by the end of the week.

[1:52:41] » Oh yeah. >> Okay.

[1:52:43] » Um and I'll send you what I've got.

[1:52:46] » Okay. Any other questions? We got to go on because almost to leave and I've just

[1:52:51] got a few more things to go over. >> I have one question. The animals that

[1:52:55] get reclaimed from the Witcht Animal Shelter, uh, when they go out to the the

[1:53:00] door with their owners, are they required to buy a license?

[1:53:03] » Yes, they are. >> Yes, they are. So, when a when an animal

[1:53:07] is picked up by animal control, you can buy when an animal's picked up, they

[1:53:09] pay, if it's not spay or neuter, they pay a $75 spay and neuter. They pay a

[1:53:14] $15 license fee and they pay for a rabies vac. No, they don't. Yeah, they

[1:53:20] do pay for $25 for a rabies vaccination. And then they also have to pay whatever

[1:53:25] else cost. >> Well, and I would say that they pay the

[1:53:28] $15 for the for the license, but that doesn't mean that they get the license.

[1:53:32] They still have to go proof because a lot of times, well, most of the time

[1:53:37] animals are licensed. They also don't have rabies or they don't have anything

[1:53:41] they need. >> And that's and we get

[1:53:44] » and so they have to go get the rabies or get them spayed neutered and then they

[1:53:48] can get the actual license. But I don't know that a lot of them get back.

[1:53:53] » Well, we get the ones that come in from city vouchers from you guys. They get

[1:53:57] everything because we tell them that we say, "Okay, now did you pay for the

[1:54:00] rabies? Did you pay for the for the spade duter?" And no, the license

[1:54:03] doesn't come to us with that. But now that you got the rabies that said the

[1:54:06] license is free of course you take all this stuff and you've already paid for

[1:54:09] the license, but you have to take it back. So that we do that on a regular

[1:54:12] basis. Okay. Okay. Any questions? Okay. We're going to go on with just I I

[1:54:18] presented last time I presented a a uh something that you guys couldn't read

[1:54:23] and so I I peaceiled it and I want to talk to you about the KGA AFI

[1:54:29] regulations uh that are changing and I mean I'm so frustrated I don't know what

[1:54:34] to say because I found out more information. So this is a process that

[1:54:37] has to go through. Uh it no it was not we did not have any regulations that

[1:54:43] went live at all. that was the program that allowed them to um do this by email

[1:54:50] instead of tape and page. And so I think Stephanie was a little confused about

[1:54:53] that. But on September 2025, the uh the regulations were submitted by the state

[1:55:00] agency to the department. They went to the state agency. Then they went to the

[1:55:04] department of administration. They passed through that. They went to the

[1:55:08] attorney general's. And guess what happened? the attorney general found out

[1:55:11] something was not right with the with the recommendation. So they sent them

[1:55:15] all the way back to the state agency. Okay. And so now they went back to the

[1:55:19] state agency. They are went through the department of administration and as of

[1:55:23] today they're stuck in the AG's office, the attorney the

[1:55:28] attorney general's office and um nobody knows what's going on with those

[1:55:33] regulations except hopefully KPA has filed a coma requirement

[1:55:40] uh for what the new regulations look like because they started off in one

[1:55:44] way. They went through here the attorney general said uh oh there's a problem

[1:55:47] with this and we don't like it. So they sent it back. So they made some changes

[1:55:50] then they sent all the way back and now we want to know whether those changes

[1:55:53] are going to be sufficient or not. Then they still have to go through a bunch of

[1:55:57] different things. So I just want to let you know that the regulations as of I

[1:56:03] think it was in 2022 or no 2023 when pay when they when they

[1:56:10] » kicked everybody's behind because they decided they wanted to be really nasty.

[1:56:15] And so the uh regulations that determine all these terrible things that rescues

[1:56:21] and shelters have to do are still stuck in the AG's office. Still stuck in the

[1:56:26] AG's office. It's so frustrating. But this is a this a whole deal about how

[1:56:31] what these things go through. And um if if they get to this the uh step four um

[1:56:38] if they get through and go through step four, step five, then the regulations

[1:56:42] will be made public to the public and then there'll be a public hearing and

[1:56:47] then if that doesn't go back, they can also then go back and go go return to

[1:56:52] step two. Okay. So, it's just frustrating. It's just real frustrating.

[1:56:57] So, um they're not they're not anywhere. is you know if you know us if you know

[1:57:05] someone if you can contact your you know senate your senator or your

[1:57:08] representative >> is this the one and which can you just

[1:57:11] for the record say which one you're talking about which

[1:57:14] » this is the regulations this is all the regulations

[1:57:16] » all the regulations >> for k for AFI against and I say against

[1:57:20] because I feel it's against uh animals in the animal shelters um about

[1:57:27] requirements that they can't be moved here or there neonatals have to starve

[1:57:30] to death >> that's what I Yeah.

[1:57:33] » No, the neonatals, the neonates, but they're not regul They not regulations.

[1:57:37] They were ordinance and that failed. Okay. So, that does not go included in

[1:57:41] the regulations. Yes. >> Just got a couple quick things. Um, I

[1:57:45] had a crown drilled on today. So, if I said or made nonsense at times, the

[1:57:50] dentist may have went a little too far up into my roof of my mouth and the

[1:57:55] novacane might have penetrated my cranium. Um,

[1:58:00] in July of 2015 is when the animal board started, July of 2015. So, we're talking

[1:58:06] 11 years ago. Um, and Stephanie and I were the only two individuals who have

[1:58:12] been to every meeting since then. And then also, Chief Snow is reti retiring

[1:58:17] in uh August if you haven't heard. And she's coming to speak to me neighborhood

[1:58:24] on um the 20th of uh July. and then Grand View Metal Arc on the 21st and uh

[1:58:32] we're making her a cake a bulk night and uh and we're going to send her off uh

[1:58:37] into her retirement. >> Okay. And they hired one of somebody

[1:58:41] today. >> You know who it was?

[1:58:43] » Chief Meyers and he's out of Houston. I believe he's second in command in

[1:58:48] Houston. >> Out of out of state.

[1:58:50] » It'll be on at 56. Okay. >> It'll be on at 56.

[1:58:53] » Do I hear a motion to adjurnn? >> I move we adjourn. I'll second.

[1:58:58] » All those in favor?

Wichita Animal Services Advisory Board Meeting July 15, 2026

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