[0:24] all right good evening today is uh Friday June 21st 2024 the time is 6:05 m

[0:30] in the town of Wiggins Board of Trustees special meeting is now in

[0:35] session Pledge of

[0:54] Allegiance roll call please trustee Mandy C Larry is absent

[1:01] trusty Jerry Schmid here trusty Brian flax is absent mayor protim David

[1:06] herbsman is absent trusty Bruce Miller here trusty St Pro here mayor Chris

[1:12] fransen here all right the topic of tonight's discussion is Town manager

[1:18] interview questions so in front of you you have

[1:23] some uh sample interview questions what I want to do is go through and uh

[1:30] kind of choose I don't know eight to 10 good questions for the first round of

[1:38] interviews that uh we will do Monday Tuesday and Wednesday with the

[1:43] applicants and I'd like to do the same ones obviously for each individual just

[1:48] so we can get a read on them and then uh what'll happen after that is we'll

[1:53] narrow it down uh hopefully to some good qualified

[1:57] candidates and then uh we will be one of the interview processes and then I will

[2:03] have some Town staff like a committee uh do interview questions as

[2:10] well so um if you guys look through those

[2:16] let's choose I don't know eight to 10 of them the time slot is set at an hour um

[2:22] for the interview like if it goes over it goes

[2:25] over a little bit but I'd like to try to keep it to that

[2:30] for that first

[2:37] round I think one the first question should be you know what makes you want

[2:43] to apply to be the town manager for wigin Colorado yeah what's the

[2:48] motivation for it yeah

[3:01] or that even that number two on that first sample

[3:09] yeah number eight

[3:16] also yeah that's an important one yeah

[3:44] yeah I think that number eight on the one and number seven on the other pretty

[3:49] much the

[3:58] same e

[4:44] number 25 on which one 25

[4:51] on describe your experience with grant writing and securing funding for

[4:55] municipal projects that one I love it yeah yeah

[5:03] I think we should ask some kind of question about water sewer yeah looking

[5:10] for it yeah and I and I don't know if there's an exact question in here

[5:13] pertaining to that but maybe we could think of a good well-rounded

[5:18] question um because I don't know if there's exactly I didn't think I saw one

[5:23] number nine it talks about uh infrastructure

[5:27] projects first page number nine prze infrastructure yeah prioritize such as

[5:32] Road repairs of facility upgrades you can always throw water and sewer in

[5:35] there thoughts about that because it all falls underneath the

[5:41] same category infrastructure projects yeah

[6:09] when we get a new Town Administrator are we going to make him be an

[6:15] interm like like on a probation for a

[6:25] year so I don't I don't think that's how it's

[6:30] advertised cuz I think when you guys did it last time it was advertised or you

[6:34] advertised for an interim so we had the option to do

[6:39] that um and I mean I'm not I'm

[6:43] just I don't know I don't know necessarily if that's

[6:54] needed well we got to put him on some kind of trial for a while just to see

[6:59] and and when I say that he he still can be the Town Administrator but I

[7:04] hope I hope we can see further ahead than what we seen with

[7:13] Tom yeah I I don't know it's just a thought

[7:18] it's a yeah no

[7:28] yeah cuz I'm not sure how Tom's or how the

[7:34] previous interim worked you you've seen that

[7:38] contract didn't it didn't you so it well there there for a long time it did

[7:45] say interm yeah and then he went to yeah and then he went to the

[7:51] actual but but I don't know I can't remember cuz I you guys at that time

[7:56] were looking for an interim is how you advertised it yeah

[8:02] and we didn't advertise it that way this time

[8:08] um I think there's some stuff we could probably put like in the

[8:12] contract that would help or help

[8:18] us but I think with we and we've had two more people

[8:26] apply um so we have 10 in total no nine cuz

[8:31] one backed out so I think even from you know

[8:36] looking at a lot of the resumes I think we have a really good pool of candidates

[8:42] yeah whether they're local or out of state

[8:49] right I don't want to see the same contract rode up for whoever we hire Tom

[8:56] and Paul yeah

[9:16] yeah I like Nicole's questions explain explain me explain me

[9:25] how do you deal with when you're overwhelmed or under for me yeah you

[9:31] quit and go to work for Fort

[9:36] Mor that's funny what's the truth it's the truth

[9:43] even like number

[9:46] 34 I don't know it's a pretty decent question just to see where they

[9:56] go cuz every every town manager is going to come in with their own

[10:02] priority well I guess we got to be careful how we ask that one because if

[10:06] it's somebody who's not from here they don't know Town very well but if you

[10:09] know a small town you know a small town yeah yeah there there are some

[10:14] questions on here that so like the one guy actually came out here and drove

[10:19] around yeah so which yeah yeah you gota be careful when you

[10:26] ask that one that's all I'm saying

[10:32] because which guy came out was it the guy from Arizona or Jackson or Illinois

[10:37] or the guy that withdrew oh from Longmont yeah oh

[10:43] yeah does that explain why he with

[10:48] Drew hey we got a lot going on right now and

[10:53] some people can't handle

[10:56] it and he's he was retired yeah so I don't I don't

[11:04] necessarily blame him I guess I don't no that's a lot to do if you're retired I

[11:09] think no I yeah I agree isn't like it's a part-time

[11:17] job I think 18 on the sample one is a pretty good

[11:26] question yeah but also so

[11:30] I if you're applying for a job I know you can't do a ton of

[11:36] research about Wiggins online but if you're applying to run the

[11:41] town you should be doing some kind of research I would agree especially at the

[11:45] price range we have set at what I'm to think so that's why I'm almost tempted

[11:50] to ask that priority question just to see who's done the research and what

[11:54] they know we know one candidate for sure is going to have a well there's working

[11:59] knowledge yeah well there's probably three of them that should

[12:03] true one for sure yeah so two for sure two for sure

[12:09] true Nick Nathan and CH yeah yeah for sure exactly and I hey if I was applying

[12:15] for a job that of this scope I would be doing my research oh yeah absolutely you

[12:19] need to know what you're stepping into yeah as best you can yeah

[12:29] and to me that just shows kind of

[12:33] your dedication or your uh well how you view a how you view

[12:40] commitment to yeah commitment position I

[12:52] agree like maybe maybe for the local guys we just

[12:57] ask them I would like to ask them number 19

[13:00] just the local guys yeah I would agree with

[13:05] that just to see what they what how they view

[13:10] it I put local only just to because they they've been

[13:15] submerged in it they have working knowledge of it to

[13:19] a certain extent

[13:24] yeah so 25

[13:51] is that 25 is that on the colds uh yeah yeah that's one of my

[13:58] questions yeah yeah I knew you'd like that one

[14:06] yeah and nobody else is going to know any anything about augmentation or any

[14:12] of that yeah not even even Nathan even he lives in enclosed Basin he's never I

[14:22] mean he ibly talks to people about it well you probably know with Planning and

[14:27] Zoning maybe some I don't

[14:34] know I like question 21 on Nicole's about handling employee performances

[14:39] just handling employee issues yeah yeah no I think that's a

[14:45] good question because everyone reports up to

[14:50] them where did the one go about priorities I lost it

[14:56] 34 yes 34

[15:01] so we have one two three four

[15:13] five and then once we choose the eight or 10 let's number them that way yeah

[15:19] that way we can have our start at number one like hey this is our number one

[15:23] question I'm just going to listen no you're you're going to ask one

[15:28] of the question I know which one's going to ask I want

[15:32] each board member to ask question that's that's all that's all Bruce right there

[15:36] grant writing I'm gonna stand over here going

[15:40] 205 what about 16 when the money goes short yeah I saw that one

[15:47] too you just deal with it when it happens yeah there was another one I saw

[15:53] about balancing the budget where was it oh about the budget

[16:01] yeah I saw that one on the sample number 13 in the

[16:07] budget are process oh yeah number 16 has something

[16:13] about the budget but I know I seen the one that you was looking

[16:44] for is a little sensitive on the sample thing articulate what you believe is the

[16:50] ideal relationship between board and manager I do like that

[16:56] one you got uncover the employees the budget authorities your Authority

[17:12] MH I always like and it's usually not on these I always like a question of if you

[17:20] could have three core values for the town what

[17:24] would they be like as a

[17:30] group like for your for the town staff if you could have core values for Town

[17:36] staff what would they what would your core values be be an example if they

[17:40] said what would be an example well if they don't know what

[17:43] core values are then see what you were thinking

[17:48] yeah I just I don't know I like to see

[17:53] that well I think I asked you that

[18:00] I I ask pretty much everybody that because I want to see what they list is

[18:04] communication on there Integrity on there commitment theft leadership K like

[18:12] what what would your core values be yeah it's

[18:15] true you know well it's not designed to be simple interview here we're

[18:19] interviewing for yeah a high level position that yeah you

[18:26] know and you know it might come to the point

[18:30] where it's going to be tough to have a decision without having like a second

[18:35] interview or something it's true I mean well there's going to be a second

[18:40] interview oh okay yeah well you're the mayor

[18:46] that's I'm just what people tell me

[19:00] how many questions we got so far

[19:04] Chris um one two three

[19:08] four five six

[19:12] seven we've got seven and then eight for local that might be F that might be

[19:19] good I am going to think of the question for core

[19:26] values since we have the reputation of this down not getting along very many

[19:29] people about 12 and 14 combination on the goals how you going to manage

[19:36] relationships U for operation with another

[19:42] municipality yeah one I thought of was Castle

[19:47] Rock yeah be a butthead about things that

[19:54] level of expertise I'm curious to see how many of the candidates possess

[19:59] something along those lines because that takes a special person who knows who's

[20:04] been in town leadership in some

[20:08] capacity and they know the ins and outs of of working

[20:13] that whether it's politically or whether it's working as system in your favor or

[20:17] something like that so I'm curious to see how many of our C our our candidates

[20:23] possess that working knowledge of that that situation

[20:29] scars it's like anything else it's not necessarily what you know it's who you

[20:33] know in certain cases we know that well in small town it's definitely who you

[20:36] know oh no doubt about that but when you're working with other other towns

[20:40] too

[20:46] yeah yeah 14 I think would cover a lot of that

[20:52] yeah all right what would be your number one question what appeals you about a

[20:57] town and why do you you want to be part of the town's

[21:02] future I think your core value question should be number one

[21:07] yeah what the heck so I put if you had to if you had to choose Three core

[21:14] values for Town staff and yourself what would they be and

[21:18] why that sound okay yeah it sounds good yeah all

[21:23] right put some on notice

[21:30] okay so number one number two what appeals you about

[21:36] town and why do you want to be a part of the town's

[21:40] future

[21:46] yeah number

[21:49] three uh describe your experience with grant

[21:55] writing that number 25 yeah yeah that's the Bruce question y number

[22:03] four if hired what would be your top

[22:20] priority you guys all right with that one

[22:37] so if you look at the sample one number four number eight are almost they're

[22:42] real similar do we just choose one of

[22:51] those I think number Eight's a better question I do too cuz then it involves

[22:56] policies that are unpopular town

[23:01] mhm because how will some of those guys know what the top priority of our town

[23:05] would be if they've never been here well that's why I want to see if they did

[23:08] research

[23:12] research I don't like that question but that's just me I love

[23:17] it I don't know why you can agree to disagree but I I think you're gonna get

[23:21] answers that you're that are I don't know I I somebody comes in here and

[23:27] tells me they want to build a thousand houses I'm instantly going to set their

[23:32] resume aside right well there's that but yeah like I want to know what your top

[23:37] priority like what because as a town manager you get

[23:42] to decide a lot you do so what do you what what's your priority but this is

[23:47] based on Research he's done and not actually getting nuts and bolts of it

[23:50] because that could change that likely will

[23:55] change and if he if a candidate says well you know I don't exactly know

[24:02] what's going on in town but I would associate it with the top

[24:07] what you know whatever it wouldn't bother

[24:10] me it's just that everybody's going to have a rock yard they put up five more

[24:16] house 500 more houses everybody's going to have a rocket because we ain't got

[24:19] the water yeah we just don't and I know Tom kept saying oh we got all kinds of

[24:24] water yeah with Castel Rock going in you know filling our depletions yeah for

[24:30] 72,000 a year well so we have water we just don't have retention to get the

[24:37] credits that's why we have Castle Rock I know well so if we built retention that

[24:43] way we do we got more homes in here though we ain't going to have enough

[24:47] water well we need another water tower we just need one should have

[24:52] should have had the water tower my mind yeah we need that water tower bad with

[24:57] this process start seven years ago for that eight okay well beyond time that

[25:02] thing should have been done up and we shouldn't even having a conversation at

[25:05] this stage of the game yeah we should be talking about the second it's called

[25:10] procrastination no it's it's just it's just yeah it's extreme procrastination

[25:15] that's the problem I want to ask that question

[25:18] but which one what's your opinion on procrastination yeah but there's another

[25:24] question about like it because that's my biggest thing is

[25:30] procrastination like I I have my faults but I do too well and I

[25:36] mean Tom was a good person for being a person yeah but I think I think he was

[25:46] overwhelmed I really do and that's what he always give as an excuse when the

[25:50] employees would quit they just got overwhelmed but I don't know how how

[25:57] many grants did you brightest zero that I know

[26:02] of yeah because that going underneath the

[26:07] railroad tracks Paul wrote that one that was done a long time ago you even look

[26:11] at like when we were discussing you know capital projects like like uh third and

[26:17] Chapman Chapman and all that stuff I mean here we are in May and we haven't

[26:21] even made a plan together for even though we talked about it as a board at

[26:24] the beginning of the year what are you waiting for if you think about it

[26:27] engineers month we had a meeting with

[26:32] the school school board yeah and we was going to have a meeting every six months

[26:38] that hasn't happened I don't know it didn't happen we had one was it last

[26:42] July a year ago it was it was last July so we had

[26:48] somebody who I agree Tom is great as a person I like Tom as a person yes I do

[26:53] too but I don't know if it's overwhelmed or lack of organization let's just stay

[26:57] on track I got it

[27:01] it's easy to cuss and discuss I know um so question number four is which

[27:06] one question number four what are we using as question number

[27:11] four as a town manager explain how you would balance

[27:15] administrating Board of Trustees or do you want to

[27:19] do can you provide a successful collaboration example of a

[27:25] collaboration what's your top priority what's your approach to employee

[27:29] performance I'd say successful collaboration on

[27:34] that number four

[27:38] yeah okay five I would tie that in with the one how do you prioritize infrastru

[27:44] infrastructure projects such as Road repairs and facility upgrades because

[27:47] that kind of which one was that number nine on the Nikki I

[27:52] believe Nicole's sorry oh yeah I have it right yeah because you can kind of

[27:58] parlay one into the other I think in that instance that is an interesting

[28:07] question so excellent so I'm going to put how do

[28:13] you prioritize infrastructure projects such as Road repairs or facility

[28:18] upgrades to

[28:21] Water and Sewer there you go

[28:29] okay number

[28:45] six we ask the Staffing questions and on like like the 21 on Nicole's the

[28:49] approach to employee performance

[28:54] evaluations you want to save that for later I'd like to save that if if we

[28:58] don't get to it i' use that the second

[29:05] time so what about number eight yeah that's number six

[29:11] yeah

[29:16] um seven

[29:28] you want to do question four on the sample as far as the second approach too

[29:32] between employees and board members know on number four says

[29:36] articulate what you believe is the relationship between the board Intel

[29:41] manager you want to keep that to the second

[29:47] round yeah because number eight kind of goes into

[29:55] that number 14 on those samples might not be bad in what ways do you see

[29:58] yourself being involved in the

[30:03] community it can be a Hands-On type person are we going to be kind of

[30:07] a you

[30:15] know it's either 14 or 15 evaluate needs and wants of town

[30:31] what 15 on the coals sorry 15 on the samples on Sample

[30:36] questions how would you go about evaluating the needs and wants of the

[30:40] town because that can be

[30:45] tricky priority people won't let him know well they always

[30:51] will just ask our mayor I like 15 on Nico's

[31:02] there you go that's a good one too iability

[31:07] which one 15 on Nicole on Nicole's how do you ensure transparency and

[31:13] accountability in town operations

[31:22] yeah I mean there's a lot of good questions here yeah and we need to know

[31:27] narrow it down to some I know it's it's

[31:32] just well and honestly through discussion some of these other questions

[31:35] might just present themselves we can have them expand upon a point of that

[31:54] too did we advertise for a town man or Town

[32:00] Administrator Town manager it's I think it falls into the same category I know

[32:06] but some people are administrators and some some of them are managers no I

[32:11] think this a town manager

[32:28] been Town manager because that's what m MH Melinda's got first question

[32:40] yeah all right what's going to be question number

[32:50] seven transpar account transparency and accountability in operations

[33:06] okay and

[33:09] then think of one question

[33:14] for I want to say the out of state people and then number 19 would be

[33:18] number eight for local people

[33:26] right on the sample

[33:33] form in your view what is the biggest challenge for the town and what did your

[33:36] plan to change the challenge or turn it into an

[33:40] opportunity think that's a good

[33:48] question oh you could counter that question with what would be your top

[33:55] priority for the out of Staters true

[34:01] so let's make number what is your top priority number eight even just ask the

[34:05] out of state or guys too I mean what so tell me what you know about Wiggins

[34:10] Colorado well I think number

[34:14] two they may go down that path what appeals you about the town and why do

[34:19] you want to be a part of the town's future yeah that's

[34:23] true that that's a good question yeah because they're going to say well we

[34:28] really haven't you know we be known then we'll know if they're been doing their

[34:33] re yeah yeah it's

[34:43] true so 34 number8

[34:51] yeah um so

[34:59] more I thought about it with uh Steve backing out I'm going

[35:05] to leave that Gap there that'll either allow us to utilize

[35:11] that time with this out of Stater or we could

[35:17] discuss that application or some previous ones just go over

[35:23] some because I've already I don't want to change the time on him

[35:28] yeah keep it how it is so I thought about that once I got

[35:33] home because he's he's an hour behind us for

[35:41] Arizona um so once we do the interview

[35:48] process hopefully we can narrow it down to however many three four whatever the

[35:56] ones that you know really stick out to us that we can have a second interview

[36:00] with and then I would like to do that what did I tell you the July 8th

[36:07] through 12th because you're gone that next week

[36:12] right for uh

[36:15] training okay so I'd like to we'll do the

[36:21] interviews next week they'll have a

[36:24] week to I'll set up the second interview and then do the second interviews the

[36:29] week of July 8th through 12th CU then that next week Nicole has

[36:35] uh town clerk training so she won't be here to be a part of the

[36:41] process so we'll do it that week and we can do probably just do one a night

[36:47] because they may last I don't know that'll be the second interview so it

[36:51] might take a little bit longer if we go you kind of get into more depth on those

[36:56] anyway yeah yeah

[37:00] and we could schedule it where like you guys could go first and then we could go

[37:03] after you

[37:10] so that work for everybody um continue to look through

[37:15] the applicants highlight what sticks out to

[37:20] you about them

[37:24] uh yeah and then we'll obviously Monday we we got three three

[37:29] interviews and then Tuesday we have two and we're starting at 5:30 on Monday

[37:35] Craig yeah Monday we have three right and Tuesday we have

[37:41] two and then Wednesday we have two because Steve I think we only have two

[37:46] on Wednesday night don't we yeah yep after the meeting and the meeting

[37:51] there's a few things on the agenda um but not a whole lot the meeting will

[37:55] probably take 45 minutes and turn it at six yeah yeah yep and

[38:00] then we'll do the inter an

[38:05] interview okay that's fine starting at 5:30 Monday and Tuesday also cor yep

[38:14] okay so Monday it is at 5:30 so Monday and Tuesday are at 5:30 Wednesday is at

[38:20] 6

[38:29] I think that's it if you guys come up with another

[38:32] question or something jot it down we could use it for the second round yeah

[38:39] um maybe start thinking of question that just pertain to wigin

[38:44] itself like a deeper questions

[38:55] so so yeah I think that's that's it I appreciate you guys coming I really do

[39:01] well we we appreciate all all the time you're taking to do this Chris yes I

[39:07] know I know you're making big money in yeah right s and I

[39:13] appreciate Nicole too yeah I know Nicole there were some damn good questions well

[39:19] very good questions

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