[0:02] They have it over there. So I saw it in the compactor when I was operating. They

[0:07] don't use any of the software >> for the G

[0:12] for their comp or anything. >> Can you hear me?

[0:14] » They don't use any of that. >> Yes.

[0:17] » They just use color. >> Just so you know, the meeting is being

[0:20] recorded. >> Yep.

[0:22] » There's three of us here. >> Yeah.

[0:25] » Thank you, Fatima. So, I talked to the manager in TMA County landfill um that's

[0:31] about the same size as us and uh >> they're using

[0:37] » they're using it. Yeah. And they they tried both looked out and they wanted to

[0:42] go with the same one and they've had it for about eight years now.

[0:45] » Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he said, "You'll be

[0:47] amazed." He was like, "You can use a lot more of the the software and stuff to

[0:53] it, but they use the bare bones because that's all they need." But he said like

[0:57] Cedar Rapids landfill, they put in boundaries every day and they try to get

[1:02] all that garbage in the exact boundary. He's like, "We don't do that because

[1:06] we're so small, you know, but they're taking in five times as what we are a

[1:10] day." Uh, but he said, "You'll be amazed when you get the first month's report,

[1:15] then second month's." He said, "You might change the way you're doing things

[1:19] just to get a better compaction rate." So, yeah. So, I'm going to talk to him

[1:24] down. He's going to be at the October fall conference. So, I'm gonna talk to

[1:29] him stuff. More people down there. Yeah. >> Interesting. Now,

[1:36] in summertime, try the water sprinkle.

[1:42] » Yeah. See what it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we can tell when

[1:48] we use the water, you know, we just don't know how how tight we're getting.

[1:52] We'd like to see is it does it go from a thousand tons per cubic yard up to 1,500

[1:59] or 1,800 or 2,000. What do we get? >> Because we move garbage sometimes to

[2:05] make stuff and we know when we get into the

[2:09] stuff that we added water to, it's tight. I mean, it it's hard to dig

[2:15] with our excavator because it's just all like sewn together.

[2:21] » You see all the stuff down there on mine that they got to dig down there?

[2:25] The rock. >> Yeah.

[2:27] » I don't know what they must have blown. They must have blown out the weekend.

[2:30] Yes, >> they're drilling.

[2:32] They blew that one first front part of the truck, one section, ice.

[2:38] » You notice? Yeah, that was all down this morning. I thought they have drilled

[2:42] down through the side there blasting. >> I know they This is like second or third

[2:47] time they've drilled >> drill.

[2:49] » Yeah. >> Yeah. They had a lot of holes up there

[2:52] last week. >> Yeah.

[2:54] » Yeah. >> I don't know if they just drill real

[2:57] close together and then they didn't have the blast as hard or as hard in terms of

[3:02] the buildings there. >> Well, the day that they blew that first

[3:06] that section on the on the cover side >> Mhm. I happened to be sitting right

[3:10] there at that intersection when they blew it, you know, just getting it was

[3:13] just a puff of smoke and fractured it. There was nothing.

[3:16] » Oh, just >> I mean, it's just it's just fracturing

[3:19] the inside. There's not They didn't need to put up any blasting or anything like

[3:23] that to keep >> Yeah, that was just looked like just a

[3:29] little mushroom. >> But then the second one actually blew it

[3:34] out of the gravel. you know where they took out part of the road a little bit

[3:38] but not that big the front there's a lot of

[3:44] » Oh yeah that's another thing the landfill I'd like quite a huge crusher

[3:51] pressure down to three inches you know see how it works because we're getting

[3:56] into six foot slabs right now over you know so but we'll

[4:06] with all our money either,

[4:09] you know.

[4:13] But yeah, so it's going to take take a a month or so to get the

[4:19] equipment put in for the GPS, but uh he said two to three weeks, but I'll give

[4:25] it a month. >> Training for the operators next to

[4:31] nothing. >> Next to nothing. and and training's free

[4:34] for two years. So, he added he added that in and he added in software uh for

[4:41] two years. So, there's software support updates and everything. Um he added that

[4:46] in for two years >> and it'll be a yearly deal.

[4:50] » Yeah. >> Twice a year.

[4:53] » Yeah. Eight grand. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, like I said, Tim, if

[4:58] if we gain airspace, you know, that grand

[5:02] » Yeah. Even this 142,000 uh will be paid for,

[5:07] » you know, short amount of time. And how did the all that postal debris compact?

[5:15] » And then it was like jelly.

[5:19] » Yeah. And and get the moisture drags out.

[5:24] » Yeah. until that moisture goes down. We're going on top of it today in our

[5:28] wet weather area and it's still soft. We got we got 4 foot dirt on top

[5:36] just trying to bridge uh but it's it's terrible

[5:43] » um 1100 ton about 2.2 million pounds in a week and a half. Yeah. And I had to

[5:51] work on the compactor last week again. Another hose broke. And the one time one

[5:57] time uh you know adult diaper came down on my and in my mouth and my teeth. And

[6:05] this time it was maggots. >> Did I just hear you?

[6:07] » Oh yeah. I was underneath of it about a month ago when I got back from vacation.

[6:13] Now last week it was maggots that went down in my ears and heads from the

[6:19] rotten meat.

[6:22] He was just stuffed up in his belly pan, you know, taking it down. You got

[6:27] » Oh,

[6:30] it's part of, you know, that's part of it, you know, just we got her cleaned

[6:36] out now, you know.

[6:40] Yeah. And usually when it can't go anywhere else, it comes to the landfill,

[6:46] you know, and that's that's part of our job, you know.

[6:50] Everybody's in there doing it, you know, not just me. So,

[6:52] » yeah. In the Northwest, did they fill up after all that flood debris and

[6:56] everything else did they fill with is that already land?

[7:00] » Yes. Um, so they had to build a new new cell earlier than what they wanted.

[7:05] » Oh, but they were they had ability to build.

[7:08] » Yep. Yep. They acquired land to build uh onto their exist.

[7:13] So, but yeah, that was and that's where they offered me a

[7:20] position, you know, and the other guy went there and he was like, "My gosh, I

[7:25] wouldn't know." But you don't know on disasters, you

[7:30] know. >> Hey, Mark.

[7:33] » We have a if we have a major disaster. Hope we don't. I mean, we're going to

[7:36] fill up. Granted, we have 15 to 18 years left, but

[7:41] we have a major disaster that might take three years just like that or five

[7:44] years, you know, depends how many counties get,

[7:48] » you know. So, yeah, I can't remember what county that

[7:54] was now. >> Yeah.

[7:59] » God darn it, I got a >> over there. Was it?

[8:04] » It was up the town, but I can't remember.

[8:09] Yeah, because he has that manager has relation his daughter lives in Spis

[8:20] married. They live in Spish,

[8:30] 35. >> Yeah. Well, we got we got buggy brigade

[8:35] last couple years a

[8:39] » really good

[8:45] double buggies.

[8:51] » Yes, that's one.

[8:58] Do they really?

[9:04] » It's ridiculous. Yes, exactly. >> Craig's house down there.

[9:09] » That's a nice house, too. I mean, nice old woodwork. Yeah. He was

[9:16] seeing

[9:22] » letter of intent. >> That's what I do.

[9:27] a fortuary. >> Oh, really? I don't know. I never heard

[9:31] who heard. >> Oh,

[9:37] I don't think that's I don't think that's going to be workable.

[9:46] » Be nice if somebody look back at >> Yeah, that's right.

[9:52] » Yeah, I don't know. I guess >> I heard Yeah, somebody was interested in

[9:56] it, >> which is good.

[10:00] That's something

[10:14] » that's good.

[10:23] » Yeah.

[10:26] » All right. I teach James

[10:31] » Careful with all that garbage.

[10:35] » Just don't crawl underneath excavators. >> Yeah.

[10:42] » Bam.

[10:59] What's your prediction when you start? >> Oh,

[11:06] there's a

[11:10] » Yeah, guess

[11:18] which. So

[11:22] » I wanted to get it concrete over

[11:27] » right now that's feels over the last one we've been

[11:33] talking Mike why

[11:39] this like to overlay on there sooner than it's just

[11:48] it should be

[11:55] part of the issue is

[11:59] » it's going to be a couple years,

[12:03] » but

[12:07] the dating institute as API

[12:13] um and they have they want to do an expensive high pro.

[12:24] So like do I do that issue?

[12:36] » So it's always cracked. So that I don't the cost benefit on that. I don't have

[12:42] the kind of things that I'm sure right now.

[12:49] Yeah.

[12:56] » Yeah. Two, four,

[13:09] » a little bit. What did you have? Uh, >> I had it head start August first day

[13:16] back.

[13:22] So they're having electronic

[13:26] not sure what they got going but that

[13:35] is concrete.

[13:49] about

[13:55] trying to make the workers help.

[14:03] Oh yeah.

[14:08] » Full extension. >> Uh yeah, I can do a 90,

[14:11] » but it's still there's I'm still they do the measuring.

[14:20] » Yeah, I mean

[14:29] somebody in the audience >> I did the other one. So I'm glad I

[14:33] didn't. The other one feels straight out.

[14:59] Yeah. Oh, by the population

[15:28] makes sense.

[15:45] 55

[15:53] usual. What else? Why? That's the uh Yeah, I get pulled over by

[15:59] Anton's um Anton's dad.

[16:02] » Yeah, friend's dad. >> This was

[16:07] about three weeks ago. >> Just said he thought it was

[16:13] » I was going everybody else was and then wants to slow downbody else.

[16:21] » He does. He does.

[16:34] the mail. >> And I don't honestly don't

[16:42] just an hour and a half or less.

[16:47] Well, it's 9:30. All so choose. Please stand for the pledge.

[16:56] I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[17:01] republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[17:08] justice for all.

[17:11] » Call the meeting to order with everyone present.

[17:15] » Reminder, the meeting is being recorded. If you choose not to be recorded, you

[17:18] have the option of leaving. First item on the agenda this morning. Michael

[17:22] Kuny, our county engineer. Go ahead, Mike. Um, not a whole lot to report on

[17:28] this week, generally speaking. Um, the build grant, still have heard nothing uh

[17:33] on from the DOT on on that. Um, subdivision, there's nothing new this

[17:39] week. Worry Hill, there's nothing new this week.

[17:44] Bridge 307, there is something new. It's now open. So, that's good.

[17:48] » It's new. That's great. That's been closed for what? Four years, five years.

[17:55] So that's now open. Um British crew uh worked on B16 Culver

[18:03] last week. Um haven't confirmed with the uh

[18:08] superintendent what they're working on this week with the weather and the

[18:11] short. So, don't know about that yet. Uh, the Scoopit uh is headed to Locust

[18:18] this week. Uh, the Dura Patcher is still above Locust this week.

[18:23] » Hey, Michael, did you get the new head that brush head for the scoop yet? Uh

[18:27] the he will be out the it's in Deuke so we

[18:33] have to outfit the um the scoop to >> work with it with the the upgraded

[18:41] hydraulics and everything else. So short answer is no. We haven't got it is

[18:47] in Martin Equipment's hands for us to >> maybe in a month or by the time you

[18:53] start getting in fall season. >> Yep. We're looking at an opportune time

[18:57] to do that. Correct. Um annual report. I don't have anything

[19:04] new to report on that. I have to update it uh for the DOT.

[19:10] Um something I did not report on last week that is uh important is the FHWA

[19:16] bridge audit occurred on August 26th. Our bridge inspector passed with high

[19:20] regards from the FHWA. So, our bridge inspector is uh Chuck Britz and Brian

[19:25] Mcomes. So, that was good to hear. They agreed with all of your assessments.

[19:32] Um, three insurance claims instead of two

[19:36] insurance claims have now been filed with IAP for accidents involving the

[19:40] road crew. I will try to update you uh via email.

[19:45] Um the loan for 600,000 is still reflected in the secondary red fund

[19:50] balance. Hoping to have that paid off either this month or next month.

[19:56] Um bridge 126 final port was on Friday, August 28th.

[20:02] That job very efficiently. Uh Frankfold Road in place operation is

[20:09] finished. Um it is setting now. 4 in overlay will likely begin I'll say in

[20:14] one week. Um sidewalk work is being done while

[20:19] hold in place is setting and the traffic study for 60 m per hour treatment is

[20:25] ongoing. And then finally everybody has a bid tab

[20:30] for the ice control bids. Um fuel bids are

[20:35] still outstanding uh here in a couple weeks. So the the ice control rock um

[20:44] we increased the the tonnages in a ocean and Freeport with the idea that we would

[20:50] use some of that uh as a way to base stabilize some of our higher traffic

[20:56] gravel roads. Um the per the per unit price is up

[21:02] about 10% over last year with fuel prices

[21:09] Uh that's kind of was not unexpected how that's how I can

[21:15] put it. Um so I recommend um ice control

[21:24] the uh boarding of burning rock products for the ice control pile at $223,176.50

[21:33] for all six shops. How much did you increase the auction in

[21:39] Freeport? >> Um the auction shop was 500 and the

[21:43] Freeport shop was 1,000. >> So previous year it was 2,000 across the

[21:49] board.

[21:53] I move to approve the control bid. Second. Have a motion and

[22:00] second to approve the Ice Rock bid for Brooming Rock Products in the amount of

[22:07] 223,000 $176.50.

[22:12] Is there any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

[22:17] » I. >> Those oppos same sign passes unanimous.

[22:27] Thank you.

[22:33] And that's the report. Have very busy internal

[22:40] work going on right now. So there are questions regarding the report. I be

[22:45] happy to take them. >> Have you looked at anything out by the

[22:51] Catholic cemetery there? Um I spoke with the CUNIS um and I've worked with even

[22:59] before I talked to them I've been working with the um city of the change

[23:03] that speed limit uh sign that they have there at 35 miles per hour. I did this

[23:07] as part of my work for the 55 to 60 mph and when I talked to them about that

[23:13] they were very happy with that idea and so

[23:18] I left the communications there. They seem to be very very happy with the 35

[23:23] mile per hour recommendation. Um I will probably going in front of the uh city

[23:27] of Lora with that finding. >> So

[23:32] city spilled city council will be approving that intersection change there

[23:37] at the memorial that left turn or the right turn.

[23:44] » You're coming if you're coming southbound on W14 into school mill right

[23:47] there by the bank. There's a the truckers are everybody's been supposed

[23:51] to stay right and go around memorial >> and trouble is is

[23:57] straight through and a lot of lot of folks just want to go straight through.

[24:01] That puts the sheriff's department into a real quandry because they get these

[24:05] complaints and they don't think it's justifiable that they have to give

[24:09] warnings. So, it's been lots of phone calls over the years to the sheriff's

[24:13] office that are really unnecessary. I met with Michael and so the idea is to

[24:17] simply move that sign, paint a curb on the east side for no parking so that the

[24:24] other vehicles coming from Protoin on B16 can make that with the turning

[24:29] radius can make that turn without some impairment and everybody's pretty much

[24:34] did polling it's pretty much in favor. So it'll just be done.

[24:37] » Okay. The only question is how far did you want the turning radius blocking a

[24:43] curb as far as the intersection by the bank on the would be the north side of

[24:48] that intersection. >> I'd have to

[24:50] » I'll stop by. >> Yeah, stop by. I'd have to kind of nail

[24:54] that down. I'd have to kind of see what it is you're talking about exactly.

[24:57] » Want to get it marked out because it'll be a relief for the

[25:02] sheriff's department.

[25:06] Anything

[25:11] else? >> Did you guys ever look into taking my

[25:16] cow crossing out on 42?

[25:23] » We I know we looked into doing some work on there, but I don't know exactly how

[25:28] to answer that question. >> Fair enough. So, um the

[25:36] I think the person you need to talk to is Mike Weise in our office. You can

[25:40] swing by and talk to him because he worked all of that out with the uh the

[25:43] farmers there. So, >> because I'm sure there's some sort of

[25:48] agreement for the battle >> that discussion I had with him about two

[25:52] or three weeks ago and I just it's I'm drawing a blank right now. I'm sorry.

[25:57] » No, that's fine. I can stop and talk. So yeah,

[26:05] somebody was asking about the little calmer road kind of what's going to be

[26:09] done. Talk to Michael. >> Yeah, it's I've had a couple of

[26:14] complaints now that the um now that the traffic from Highway 9 is being pushed

[26:21] onto Middle K Road a little bit. And even before that happened, I was in

[26:28] discussions with the um I will Iowa asphalt paving association

[26:34] uh as a way to perhaps overlay the concrete with

[26:41] asphalt. What my best options were. The suggestion was to go with a what's

[26:46] known as a hypro asphalt uh layer on top of that on top of the

[26:53] current concrete that would allow it to be more resilient to the the cracks that

[26:59] would come up from the concrete into the asphalt. Um that's expensive long term.

[27:06] The best thing would be um more concrete.

[27:11] Um that's going to >> that would be over

[27:15] » the that would be a 2 inch would be yeah be a 2inch overlay be that high promax.

[27:21] Um, so

[27:24] the next the next thing I would be the best thing

[27:30] would be would be to have a concrete on top of concrete, but that's just just so

[27:34] much money and it's going to I'm trying to save up my um FM balances. And if we

[27:41] do, if we were to put that concrete in place

[27:47] at today's prices, we would wipe out a whole bunch of other projects all around

[27:52] the county. So, I'm pretty much relooking at what it is that we're going

[27:58] to do there. Um, because I do want to push that forward. I want to make sure

[28:02] that we do get it before we'll call it 2030. Um

[28:08] it's it's just a reassessment here just the deterioration of W42 south of Ashen

[28:17] the the W14 south of fort uh that funding being up in the air and then

[28:26] um you know old stage is going to rear its head uh here 2014 on Ridgeway.

[28:34] Yeah, that that that one is

[28:41] I don't have a silver bullet for that one.

[28:44] » So, >> um I know I know everyone wants gravel,

[28:47] but I'm again if we if middle calmer people can live some cracks in some

[28:55] asphalt. Maybe we can also get to W14. This is all long-term solutions here

[28:59] that I'm talking. How much more is the cost on that asphalt you're talking

[29:02] about coming over? >> Um

[29:07] I don't want to speak out loud because uh I

[29:12] when I asked the same question um they were hesitant to give but the

[29:19] the rough number on a weight average is about 60% more.

[29:26] So, I don't want to I don't want to

[29:30] » Yeah, >> I don't want to pigeon hole the the I

[29:32] don't have the asphalt numbers. I don't have high pro numbers. You have to take

[29:36] bids. It's highly variable. Um but we're looking at 60% more on a per

[29:46] is it square yard basis. So, >> interesting.

[29:56] What's your only 2?

[30:01] » Well, the you would still need a 2 inch and then

[30:06] you would do you would surface coat with that. So, it's Oh,

[30:11] » yeah. >> I see two layers.

[30:13] » It's still two layers. You're not getting on the two layer stuff. So,

[30:17] » it's just two inches of the expensive stuff. that it it's that it's 2 in then

[30:24] it's a intermediate lift then it's the one in so

[30:28] you're dealing with yeah it's

[30:34] none of the options are screaming this is what I want to do uh with any surgery

[30:40] on that so it's it's unfortunate that way and it's a long road so the other

[30:48] problem with the concrete overlay is that is looking into this. There's a

[30:54] couple of bridges

[30:57] have low clearance that that should probably need rehab um if we go with the

[31:04] concrete. So that's the other outstanding issue on that. So

[31:14] » yeah, this is I'm I'm hoping to, like I said, crack this nut

[31:21] sooner than I'm not just trying to put this off here. Okay. So,

[31:28] all right. Does anyone have anything else for me?

[31:32] » Thank you. Y

[31:37] committee reports

[31:41] juvenile detachment

[31:47] » recycling committee meeting >> Wednesday

[31:50] » Saturday historic preservation commission here at 8:30

[31:57] and >> PNC meets here at 7 o'clock tonight.

[32:03] » It's a public hearing for that

[32:08] » sign agenda. >> Yes, we have the monthly report from the

[32:13] recorder. We have a class C retail liquor license for Ktown TAP and we have

[32:20] the board minutes from August 31st. I move to approve the consent agenda.

[32:27] Second motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. All those in favor

[32:32] say I. >> I.

[32:34] » Pull same sign. This is unanimous.

[32:50] And this uh this is I don't know what this is something from hacker Nelson

[32:57] and you probably have been briefed on it. Essentially what it's saying is that

[33:02] they just need extra signatures. So they have Ben's signature and Dan if you want

[33:07] to sign this. And when Ben shows up he'll if there's anything you need to

[33:11] explain

[33:16] of them that has both your signatures on it. So you're on there as chair of the

[33:21] board of supervisors.

[33:28] But as to the content of that, if there's any questions, he'll be able to

[33:35] that. I think it's probably your p your

[33:38] contractual relationship with them that performing audit.

[33:42] Just need a little extra.

[34:03] That's it for the audit science.

[34:24] What are they with the uh services upgrade for moving?

[34:31] » Yeah.

[34:36] » No, it's not in there. >> Are they over here? Not here. Yeah.

[34:50] » Maybe their direction ought to be changed. So back over there at community

[34:54] services. I don't think that is a high priority by comparison. Would you agree?

[34:58] » No. I'll talk to

[35:07] Still shooting for the end of month. Yeah,

[35:12] just coming right up.

[35:24] » Yes, you have a third reading in the resolution

[35:29] declaring emergency medical services an essential service at 9:50. Steven,

[35:36] » I move to approve of resolution for emergency medical services.

[35:42] » Second. >> We have a motion and a second to the

[35:48] third reading of the resolution declaring emergency medical services an

[35:52] essential service.

[35:58] I hi

[36:08] the reading push over again.

[36:15] That's a little unfair. >> I'm glad you did the last one.

[36:26] » Steve, can't stay awake, can you? Nope. Not at

[36:31] all.

[36:37] » While we're waiting, thank you again for your years of service to this company.

[36:45] » All right, here we go for the third and final time.

[36:52] A resolution declaring emergency medical services an essential county service

[36:57] designating county EMS association as the county EMS system advisory council

[37:03] and initiating the process for board consideration of an emergency medical

[37:08] services tax levy pursuant to Iowa's code chapter 422D

[37:14] whereas emergency medical services EMS are critical to the preservation of

[37:18] life, reduction of disability and protection of the public health, safety

[37:24] and welfare of the residents of Winnishi County, Iowa. And whereas Wishi County

[37:30] is a predominantly rural county where timely access to emergency medical care

[37:35] is heavily dependent upon the availability, sustainability, and

[37:39] coordination of the local emergency medical services agencies.

[37:43] And whereas emergency medical services providers face increasing operational

[37:50] challenges including workforce shortages,

[37:54] rising costs of equipment and training, increased call complexity, and declining

[37:59] volunteer participation. And whereas Iowa code chapter 422D

[38:06] authorizes the county board of supervisors upon adoption of a

[38:10] resolution declaring emergency medical services to be an essential county

[38:14] service to submit to the voters the question of imposing an emergency

[38:19] medical services tax including a borium property tax and

[38:26] whereas Iowa code 422D.1 1 2 B requires counties adopting such a

[38:35] resolution to coordinate with local emergency medical services agencies to

[38:40] establish a county emergency medical services system advisory council to

[38:45] assist in researching, assessing, and guiding EMS service delivery within the

[38:50] county. And whereas the Wesy County EMS

[38:56] Association is an established countywide organization representing emergency

[39:02] medical services agencies within Wishik County and is governed by duly adopted

[39:08] bylaws and regulations. And whereas the board of supervisors finds the Wesy

[39:14] County EMS association is uniquely qualified to serve as the county EMS

[39:20] system advisory council as contemplated under Iowa code chapter 422D.

[39:28] Now therefore be it resolved by the board of supervisors of Wesia County

[39:32] that section one declaration of essential service emergency medical

[39:38] services are hereby declared to be an essential county service in Wesik County

[39:44] Iowa pursuant to Iowa code 422D.1.

[39:49] Section two, designation of county EMS system advisory council pursuant to Iowa

[39:55] code 422D.12B.

[40:00] Wishy county EMS association is hereby designated as

[40:06] the Wishi County Emergency Medical Services System Advisory Council. The

[40:11] advisory council shall consist of the association's dulyapp appointed board

[40:16] members selected and serving in accordance with the association's bylaws

[40:20] and governing res regulations. Section three duties of the EMS system

[40:27] advisory council. The advisory council shall serve in an advisory capacity to

[40:32] the board of supervisors and shall research and assess EMS needs, guide

[40:38] system implementation, recommend funding amounts for ballot propositions, prepare

[40:44] annual reports, and participate in public meetings as required by Iowa code

[40:49] 422D.12

[40:52] C. Section four, initiation of EMS tax levy

[40:58] process. The board declares its intent to initiate the process for submission

[41:02] to the voters of Wish County the question of imposing an emergency

[41:06] medical services property tax levy with revenues deposited into the EMS trust

[41:12] fund as provided in Iowa code 422D.6.

[41:18] Section five, election requirements. The board affirms that this resolution was

[41:23] considered at two meetings with proper notice. B that any levy requires 60%

[41:30] voter approval and C that the resolution shall be void if the tax fails, expires,

[41:37] or is discontinued pursuant to Iowa code 422D.1.

[41:43] Section six, effective date. The resolution shall take effect immediately

[41:48] upon final adoption by recorded vote. First reading a August 24th, 2026

[41:57] pass 50. Second reading August 31, 2026 pass 50

[42:09] hereby resolved by the board of supervisors county on this September 8th

[42:16] 2026.

[42:19] Okay.

[42:31] I move to approve resolution. We don't have a number.

[42:35] » No, that'll be a signed when we get >> I move to approve the resolution for

[42:40] emergency EMS for this county for a vote next year.

[42:45] » I'll second that. There motion and a second to approve the resolution

[42:50] declaring emergency medical services an essential service. Is there any further

[42:55] discussion?

[42:58] Ark. >> Hi, Shirley.

[42:59] » I >> Stephen.

[43:02] » Hi. >> I also passes unanimously.

[43:27] That's your work on famous you guys work on

[43:34] the work begins in public that you're giving the public.

[43:39] » Yep. Thank you.

[43:47] probably showing them the situation a lot of other counties are in not having

[43:52] services. >> Yes, there's um lots of counties that

[43:56] are looking at this other counties that are just scooting by. Um for Wy County,

[44:04] we have a good system and we look to continue that service um as we have in

[44:12] the past and and make it even better. So,

[44:18] » we'll be relying a lot on our local news media to help us educate the public on

[44:23] the need for this and for a positive vote.

[44:26] » I've been answering a lot of questions. Yeah, there's and you don't have to go

[44:31] very far. Fad county's, you know, trying to answer all those questions, too. U

[44:37] and so we'll we'll have answers. We'll have answers and hopefully we'll uh

[44:43] educate people and get them out to vote. >> Fed's voting this fall.

[44:50] » F is going in November. Yes.

[44:55] » Most people are acting positive toward it. So that's a yes.

[45:02] » Once you tell them that if you this does not pass, you may not have an ambulance.

[45:07] Well, they have to come. >> No, no, they do not. I wish it says the

[45:12] ambulance has to show up.

[45:18] » I said I may agree with you that they should have to, but that's not the way

[45:22] the state works at correct.

[45:38] Yeah,

[46:10] Well, it's 10 o'clock. Next item on the agenda, the public hearing for NOAC

[46:14] electric reszoning. Motion to open public hearing.

[46:18] » Second. >> A motion and a second to open public

[46:21] hearing. All those in favor say I. >> I.

[46:25] » Public hearing is now. What do you have for us, Tony?

[46:28] » All right. Novach Electric is seeking to reszone a piece of ground from A1

[46:32] agricultural to C1 highway commercial to move their business entities out there.

[46:37] Planning zoning commission held a public hearing on it a couple weeks back. Voted

[46:42] to recommend denial on it.

[46:48] » Were there public comments at the time of that hearing?

[46:51] » Um there was comments by the applicant.

[46:55] There was nobody who commented against it. And there was one written comment

[46:59] submitted by an adjoining land owner that they were in favor.

[47:06] » All right.

[47:10] » Russell, can I go first? >> Sure.

[47:13] » I'm the land owner. Gordon Hunter, >> can you come up here so that those

[47:17] online can hear you better? >> Sure.

[47:20] » The mic will pick it up. >> The mic will pick it up better.

[47:22] » It's up here in the ceiling. >> It's in the ceiling.

[47:25] » Yeah. Right up here, Gloria. Times to change.

[47:29] » You don't have to look at it. It'll it is. And I have to apologize. My wife

[47:34] shares a lot of things with me and she shared her comb with me.

[47:37] » Well, you just keep that part of me. I was trying to stay.

[47:42] » I'm going to address the planning and zoning commission's objections to the

[47:47] property being zoned C1 Highway commercial. Uh

[47:53] I'm not sure how they come that conclusion because this this piece of

[47:58] property is on Highway 52 South. Um about a mile south of the intersection

[48:04] of 9 and 52. And yet down at the intersection 9 and

[48:10] 52 is Windidge Implement, a car dealership. And you go up and top the

[48:15] hill and there's this property. And if you go down the road a little bit

[48:19] further, the DOT is down there. And right beside the DOT is the county sold

[48:27] that property to March Loing and He C1 Highway commercial. You get under a

[48:35] little bit further and it's JD Holland

[48:40] and he's put up a shop down there and it's on a piece of land twice as large

[48:46] as what I'm trying to sell Mr. Noach.

[48:54] The other concern that they had was the traffic on Highway 52.

[48:59] Well, I've lived in the Highway 53 years. I

[49:03] know there's traffic on that road. Uh used to try to farm on that road because

[49:09] they don't traffic doesn't always really care for me. But Mr. Nvac's

[49:16] business now is on Locust Road north of town. And if you want to see traffic,

[49:22] you go up there to Locust Road at the rush hour in the

[49:27] morning with the school kids and everybody coming into town and the

[49:31] traffic's back up the swimming pool. He's trying to move the business out

[49:37] onto a highway that can handle the track.

[49:43] Uh

[49:47] in the zoning ordinance C1 highway commercial, the very first paragraph,

[49:54] the second sentence says, "Commercial uses would generally require substantial

[50:00] land area and access to a major traffic artery.

[50:07] That's Highway 52 right from the get-go. They can handle that up that track.

[50:14] And with the DOT right next to them, if you get a half inch of snow, you get

[50:20] a half inch of salt about an hour later because there'll be six trucks go by and

[50:26] they'll salt that road. They have a clear road policy and they do that.

[50:34] Third issue was farmland. farmland.

[50:39] I think they said that the average CSR of farmland in Wy County is 58.5.

[50:47] This is the area at 61 or thereabouts

[50:53] and that's because of the C and D slope sign. It's not it's not very level

[50:58] property. And but I'm not going to say it's not good farmland because I farm it

[51:03] forever and I've raised a good crop on it every year. But if you want prime

[51:08] farmland, you would have to go north of this down in the valley down there where

[51:13] I got some Huntsville with a 2% slope that has a CSR of 90.

[51:19] And so this is good farmland. It's not pine farmland.

[51:25] Uh,

[51:28] one last thing I guess I saw in the paper recently where the auditor had

[51:33] said something about the state the state uh not allowing you to raise

[51:40] your property taxes only a certain amount in the future.

[51:45] And I thought I had said something about having uh having uh new construction

[51:53] pick up the balance of some of that which you're not going to be able allow

[51:57] to do. And this is new construction right from the get-go out in the county

[52:03] in the rural area between several other commercial

[52:08] properties. And uh I would uh say that it's a perfect spot for it.

[52:17] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[52:23] » I have a site plan to show you for what our project is proposing. Have some

[52:28] notes to pass out. I'll give you a little

[52:32] this is a synopsis. So what I like to talk about this morning.

[52:45] » Thank you. You

[52:48] » want me to stand or sit? >> Either one. Just kind of face.

[52:53] » Sit. >> Good morning supervisors. My name is

[52:58] Russell Novak. Own Perry Novak Electric since acquiring from my father. Um, I'm

[53:04] asking to reszone a chunk of land, uh, A1 to C1, uh, 17 acres on Highway 52.

[53:12] Um, I'd like to discuss, um, the planning and zoning, uh,

[53:17] advisory recommendation of denial. Um, that recommendation was based on several

[53:23] factual misunderstandings that I would like to clear up with the board.

[53:28] First one regarding spot zoning. PNZ stated that this parcel is one to two

[53:34] miles from the nearest commercial district for their meeting minutes. The

[53:38] fact uh for our GPS and beacon we are about 2/3 of a mile from the DOT office.

[53:46] Um, we are extending an established logical commercial corridor along a

[53:52] federal funded state mandated highway, not dropping an isolated island in the

[53:59] middle of a farmland. Second was the regarding to highway

[54:04] safety and traffic. The Iowa Department of Transportation has fully reviewed my

[54:09] application that they didn't have completed at the time of PNC and has

[54:13] officially approved our commercial entrance permit. The state traffic

[54:18] engineers verified that came to the site um that our site lights and turning

[54:23] approaches are completely safe. They can't issue me a certificate until the

[54:28] property is zoned commercial. So, they can't issue a commercial application

[54:32] based on it being zoned egg. Um

[54:37] uh furthermore and the big piece here is the vast majority of our electrical work

[54:42] is south of Decora. Um as as said previously um the amount of traffic that

[54:48] we put through Perryova or put through Decor Iowa I project somewhere around

[54:53] 100 cars a day between our uh between our technicians, our employees and our

[55:01] um deliveries. Most of our work is south of town. The city has three corridors to

[55:06] get into the city of Dora um to where we need to get to. Our deliveries can all

[55:11] happen south of town and where we need to go. Um if we're going to Kelmer,

[55:16] Wakan, Dora, any place we're we're much more centrally located.

[55:22] Um third regarding egg preservation and that was one of the biggest pieces that

[55:26] PNZ discussed. Um Wishik land averages 59 CSR to my understanding. This

[55:33] includes bluffs, rock outcropping, timber and pastures. Um, true tillable

[55:41] ground in our county I believe is closer to 80. But what actually is being farmed

[55:46] a rating of 61 reflects moderate rolling ground. In fact, that current landowner

[55:52] Gordon um will confirm he had to construct dedicated conservation

[55:58] waterways BMS just to manage the runoff from these property.

[56:03] Um PNZ discussed the 17 acres when initially the building is going to take

[56:09] 8 to nine acres. Um that that open acreage is not being wasted. Um our goal

[56:16] based on staying on budget is to install a geothermal system to heat and cool our

[56:21] facility similar to our building north of town. And we basically open trenched

[56:26] our geothermal. we uh covered it back up and now we actually rent out the farm

[56:31] down north of town on Locust Grove. So our goal for the um five to six acres

[56:36] which I would call to the to the left side driving into this property, we'll

[56:41] be doing all of our geothermal work. So we we'll uncover that. We'll install our

[56:45] geothermal loops. We'll lessen our carbon footprint. Um, and then when we

[56:50] cover cover our geothermal back up, there's a good chance that Bordon's

[56:55] going to be farming that ground again on the on the left side of the property.

[56:59] Um, we will also be constructing a retention pond to control our storm

[57:05] water. So, we'll be control we'll putting a what they call a wet storm

[57:09] water pond um in the front of the property. And a wet storm water pond is

[57:14] it's going to hold water and we'll actually have a fountain and make it

[57:17] look nice. And that'll be built to um absorb our storm storm water um and

[57:22] release at a slow pace to

[57:28] and one of the biggest pieces basically to talk about is the uh impact of our

[57:32] project to win county. Um the real dollars for Winnick County.

[57:37] Right now this parcel is bringing in roughly $1,000 a year of property taxes.

[57:42] By the time we um outfit our facility, we're going to spend in the neighborhood

[57:46] of $6 million in private capital funding.

[57:51] Um even with the initial revitalization abatement that we are asking for, this

[57:57] will transition into paying approximately $70,000

[58:01] a year in commercial property taxes. a 70fold

[58:07] increase supporting our county services, emergency response, and local schools.

[58:14] We will generate substantial local sales tax right here on this $6 million

[58:20] project. So, of the 6 million, 4 million will be material. Of that 4 million,

[58:26] we'll be spending 7% in sales tax wherever we build the building,

[58:30] hopefully in Luna County. Uh, our goal is also to add roughly 5 to

[58:35] 10 new skilled traded positions in the range of 50 to $100,000 per year,

[58:42] keeping hardworking families living and spending money in Winnick County.

[58:49] Most important, we believe in being a good neighbor and investing where we

[58:53] live. Over the last two years, my father and I have donated $85,000

[59:00] to our local hospital alongside regular support for numerous community

[59:06] fundraisers, youth initiatives, including our bowling alley, and local

[59:10] organizations across this area. We just don't do business here, we live here. We

[59:16] give back. We care about the long-term health of county.

[59:21] Finally, regarding the people who actually live next door, county zoning

[59:25] mailed notices to all six adjoining land owners. Not a single neighbor filed an

[59:30] objection. Sharon Vocodol, which is directly touching this property, written

[59:36] approval to PNC and another adjacent owner verbally confirmed their support.

[59:42] The people who share fences with this property know how we run our operation

[59:47] and we want to see this project move forward.

[59:50] We are a proven local business ready to invest private capital, clean up

[59:57] downtown traffic, build high wage trade career right here in the county. And I

[1:00:03] respectfully ask the board to approve C1 zoning. Thank you. And I'm glad to

[1:00:09] answer any questions.

[1:00:16] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:00:20] Anyone else with any questions or comments?

[1:00:23] » Yes. Uh Tate Kurtz, uh the core township president and local businessman here in

[1:00:27] town. Um I'm here to give you my my support for the resoning. I hope the

[1:00:33] board of supervisors uses common sense and trying to help this project move

[1:00:38] forward. Whereas a lot of other projects that PNZ has shot down in the past. As

[1:00:43] you all know, as a community, if you are not growing, you are dying. And

[1:00:46] unfortunately in this county there have been a lot of projects that have not

[1:00:51] received support and a lot of business has gone elsewhere and we are seeing the

[1:00:56] effects of that with declining populations, enrollments in schools,

[1:01:00] funding and etc. So it'd be wise of you guys to approve this project and many

[1:01:05] more that may become ahead of you guys. Thank you.

[1:01:15] Indian business owner done business with Perry Novak and Rust for 25 years and

[1:01:22] bought over 80 vehicles from us over the years and known them personally. Um

[1:01:27] they're good operators. They do excellent work. They are want to stay in

[1:01:32] the community. Um, I know they've been offered different incentives from other

[1:01:35] counties and for a planning and zoning board to tell them that they should

[1:01:41] possibly look at another county is just upsetting.

[1:01:45] So, I'm in favor of it. Support it. Hopefully, you guys are too.

[1:01:50] » Thank you.

[1:01:58] » Any comments? Anyone online with any comments?

[1:02:09] You have questions? Anyone have any questions for anybody?

[1:02:13] » Um, if they do the geothermal and then row crop over that potentially in the

[1:02:18] long run, does that stay a then that piece?

[1:02:22] » No, C1. >> No. So, it would be if you resolve the

[1:02:26] property to C1, it stays C1. >> Oh, 17.

[1:02:29] » Yeah. Would there be options to put that in a the set aside program?

[1:02:36] » Uh that would not be the answer to that.

[1:02:40] » I don't know. >> All the things that are zoned underneath

[1:02:44] of C1 are applicable to the C1 lot. So, so that's

[1:02:50] » so I'll use this listed on that city when you

[1:02:58] » one clarification Russell the there is some height there where the driveway

[1:03:03] goes between those two smaller >> our goal is to knock that to flat but

[1:03:08] basically I have not done a locate to see what utilities are on the

[1:03:15] on the rightway. So you're anticipating then that by lowering those two hills

[1:03:22] there'll be still a line of sight for recognizing

[1:03:24] » that's the goal and >> so people will understand better what's

[1:03:27] there there'll be deceleration time >> and we worked with Sharon basically of

[1:03:32] either at some point acquiring the three acres to square this off or she's

[1:03:37] already said that I can clean up the tree line to look nicer to see our

[1:03:42] property but if I could shave five feet off the top of those nles

[1:03:47] um it'd be a win for everybody. But in the same token, if there's a fiber optic

[1:03:51] that's 4 feet in the ground, those are challenges that we'll have to overcome.

[1:03:56] » Yeah.

[1:03:59] » Think and talked about the hearing the putting in a a detention basin.

[1:04:05] » Yep. But I think hadn't done a total study on

[1:04:10] the amount of volume you're going to have to have to accommodate all of the

[1:04:14] runoff from gravel and >> buildings and stuff like that.

[1:04:18] » So potentially a second detention base on the back side of that to accommodate

[1:04:23] what's wants to go down >> if required.

[1:04:26] I just I mean my concern in that perspective would be if you're dumping a

[1:04:31] lot of water off the backside that you can't catch up front that probably needs

[1:04:34] to >> you know and the big thing is the solid

[1:04:37] or the hard surfaces the lines and the gravel compared to

[1:04:40] » permable ground that's there now. So, um I did take into effect that uh um we

[1:04:46] probably are on the smaller side. Um plenty of room there to either um use

[1:04:52] the correct angles to make that pond larger or generate a second pond.

[1:04:57] » So, you're requesting to reszone 17 acres but only using eight or nine.

[1:05:02] Correct? >> Well, basically my interpretation is

[1:05:06] everything for the property needed to be zoned. So the everything we're doing

[1:05:11] including the geothermal which is for our building my interpretation was that

[1:05:16] land needed to be zoned with the building

[1:05:19] and truly that could be you know if our business were to grow in time that that

[1:05:24] build that building's designed to be added on on that side. So they call it

[1:05:28] they call it a blade breakaway panel on the that side of the

[1:05:33] building. Is that also your interpretation as some

[1:05:38] administrator? >> The land is going to be used for

[1:05:40] commercial has to be z commercial. >> All

[1:05:44] the land being used for commercial has to be z

[1:05:48] part part of the issue with why it is what it is. It's because of the contour

[1:05:52] and not being able to get in and plant efficiently if there was odd pieces left

[1:05:58] out of >> Yeah, that's part of it. Yes. Y and like

[1:06:01] I said, we need a better chunk of that land on that side. We need a basically

[1:06:05] roughly a 100 ton of geothermal. We'll have a 100 loops, but we're also from

[1:06:11] the carbon footprint wise if we use geothermal. I mean, that's in my opinion

[1:06:16] huge environmental impact savings that we're not running boilers and gas, you

[1:06:21] know, heating electricity for cooling that uh will use, you know, as much

[1:06:26] geothermal as some backup gas. >> Speaking of environmental, it's also

[1:06:32] light considerations. smart

[1:06:35] just to have wall packs on a building. >> So, our intent is not to have any light

[1:06:40] poles. >> Basically, we'll have perimeter lighting

[1:06:42] around the building. >> Um,

[1:06:44] » where does that project? >> Just the parking lot

[1:06:48] » down. >> Yes.

[1:06:49] » Straight down. >> Straight down.

[1:06:50] » Yep. Our biggest thing is when we get to middle of winter, um, our guys are going

[1:06:55] to start between 6:00 and 7 in the morning and it's still pitch dark

[1:06:59] outside. So, we need to um have lighting at least near the building.

[1:07:04] » You need that just for safety. I mean, >> yeah, but the big thing is the intention

[1:07:08] is not to have any poles. Um it'll just be perimeter lighting around the

[1:07:12] building >> and really the side that's,

[1:07:16] » you know, the front of the building I call it. That's not the showroom. You we

[1:07:19] won't put any lighting. Um there's, you know, past projects that

[1:07:23] said the same and now they're real bright and and pretty intrusive lighting

[1:07:28] for our valley. >> That's not my intent.

[1:07:32] » So I think a good example of good lighting is the Locust Road project we

[1:07:36] did where >> we're straight down

[1:07:38] » straight down and all those fixtures cut off. So they're 100% cut off. So it's

[1:07:43] not if you look at what I call a traditional wall pack on the building,

[1:07:46] it shoots light out. Do you see a reflector on the front? The lights will

[1:07:50] shoot light all down. So,

[1:07:53] » Russell, on the geothermal loops, will that occupy maybe a portion of that 8

[1:07:58] acres that still will be farmed? >> Yes. Yep.

[1:08:01] » And >> and we'll push it basically up as close

[1:08:03] to the property line as possible. You know, if we ever need to add onto our

[1:08:08] building, we can't have the geothermal under our building.

[1:08:11] » So, in other words, you can't have you can't build over the top of your

[1:08:14] geothermal lines. And uh would that even allow for gravel parking above it or

[1:08:19] would that be a compaction problem for the geoc?

[1:08:21] » No, it would not be ideal. Um the big thing is the compaction and uh if the

[1:08:27] ground's hard, it's going to transfer more heat. So that frost would actually

[1:08:31] penetrate down quicker on compacted ground than it would not. So in this

[1:08:36] case really that land is going to be preserved and will be needed as an

[1:08:40] agricultural resource per se to preserve the integrity of your geothermal.

[1:08:46] » Yep. But it's all in use for this building. So that's my interpretation

[1:08:51] that anything used for this building has to be considered

[1:08:56] the C1C because the loops basically just round

[1:09:00] numbers and I don't have it 100% designed. The loops are 100 ft long. I

[1:09:04] take a three-foot trench. They're 10 feet apart and I need a hundred of

[1:09:09] those. So, it's gonna be a lot of work running

[1:09:14] basically and then we'll farm over the top of it. But those loops will be the

[1:09:18] integral part to our building and really a large I mean we're it's substantially

[1:09:23] more expensive than just putting gas in and putting a big LP tank in. But it's

[1:09:29] worked out well north of town that basically we have we have a 30,000 foot

[1:09:34] warehouse north of town that we burn we're geothermal and we burn probably

[1:09:38] 700 gallons of fuel instead of 15,000 gallons of fuel. So the geothermal has

[1:09:44] worked well in other applications. >> The other thing you talked about would

[1:09:49] be green screening like trees and vegetation

[1:09:53] » the whole front isn't exposed so to speak. you know, been. So, we're going

[1:09:57] to want some low grip vegetation. We can we can plant taller stuff on the

[1:10:01] sidelines for I'm definitely willing to listen to what

[1:10:07] recommendations are, but we want people to see our building from the you don't

[1:10:10] want to block the view of your building so you can't see

[1:10:14] trees. >> No, but both property lines on the

[1:10:17] sides, no problem. Or no problem. >> Screening of the storage unit section.

[1:10:24] Um, I mean that's part of marketing is to be able to see that from the road.

[1:10:29] » So we're coming up on a bluff entering Dora and people will see a big storage

[1:10:33] facility on the right >> and our commercial building. I I guess I

[1:10:37] don't you know they come from the north and

[1:10:40] they see a wind tower sitting on top of the hill. It don't work anymore. So

[1:10:44] what's the argument? I mean >> I mean I don't disagree. I mean we're

[1:10:47] Yeah. So the cheapest storage building I could buy

[1:10:50] » Yeah. >> is a galvanized building. So you see a

[1:10:53] ugly galvanized roof. I don't do that. So if you see the building I just built

[1:10:57] in Kelmer, we use a colored roof. We use colored walls. We use two-tone corners

[1:11:03] to make it as appealing as I can. Um, I guess I'm not saying I can't put a row

[1:11:12] of trees to block the view, but that's also hurting the

[1:11:16] » my marketing side of people that see the building that says, "Hey, I need space

[1:11:21] to rent." I'm willing to, you know, work. I'm just asking. I'm just trying

[1:11:25] to come up with the best. >> We've worked with two other business may

[1:11:30] or I did, and drive by their play. I mean, you guys aren't any different.

[1:11:34] You're gonna make it look as nice coming from the west by Volmer or south by

[1:11:39] Holland. I mean, it's a nice looking place and it's you're just

[1:11:44] » equivalent to what they I mean it's a challenge for each line of business. I

[1:11:47] mean, >> what Holland did looks amazing.

[1:11:50] » If I look in the back, I see a huge rock.

[1:11:52] » Yeah. >> If I drive by Bulmer's, great assets to

[1:11:55] our community. I see rows and rows of equipment and stuff sitting outside. If

[1:12:00] you drive by our facility, we have a building and 90% of opposition and the

[1:12:06] other 10% is behind the building you can't see.

[1:12:10] But >> we really try, you know, when dad did

[1:12:13] his building north of town, all the garage doors are on the back side. You

[1:12:16] don't really see um many garage doors on that side and planted trees.

[1:12:23] I'm open to um doing the best I can.

[1:12:28] » Yeah. And that storage facility is all fenced in and gated.

[1:12:32] » Yeah. Yep. So, traditionally, I would say I'm not aware of many that are

[1:12:36] fenced and gated in Winnipe County. Um, so that's definitely

[1:12:42] um a value. I mean, there's a lot of storage available around the area.

[1:12:47] That's the traditional facility, but we're adding the RV

[1:12:52] storage, which predominantly you're going to take vehicles and sit down in

[1:12:56] front of people's houses and putting them in a facility where,

[1:13:00] » like I said, what I built in Kelmer, I think turned out really nice. And uh we

[1:13:04] just got done with one in Charles City, you know, where basically they can park

[1:13:09] their campers inside with power um and lighting, which uh there isn't a

[1:13:14] lot of those type of facilities out there currently. But the trend in the

[1:13:18] storage industry is for the appearance being a major positive for the facility.

[1:13:24] You've you could look at a lot of these places that have especially conditioned

[1:13:28] storage. They're not the low-end uh like you say the galvanized roof. Uh we want

[1:13:34] to make it look nice and that's where um even in this facility I could probably

[1:13:39] save4 $50,000 to put a galvanized roof on and

[1:13:44] it's not eye appealing whatsoever. And I'm not doing that. I've never done that

[1:13:48] at any of the facilities ever. So, I I do want to make it look nice. And if we

[1:13:53] look at, you know, I've built this type of um uh RV style storage in Charles

[1:13:58] City a year ago and we're just finishing one in Kelmer. We're trying to blend it

[1:14:04] in as much as we possibly can and we're also taking care of the storm water to

[1:14:08] the best of our ability. So, you know, my concern on previous

[1:14:13] projects and this one is coming into Decora is it's a beautiful

[1:14:19] county. It's a beautiful entrance into our valley and I'm my hesitancy is

[1:14:25] preserving that vista, but I'm also in favor of economic

[1:14:30] growth. And I'm looking back at previous decisions by the planning and zoning

[1:14:34] commission, and I wish they were here today so I could ask them questions.

[1:14:38] They're not here today, but I I might be able to direct it to Tony. I know you

[1:14:41] can't speak for them, but they approved the Voltmer Electric facility

[1:14:46] unanimously and they approved the Holland facility 4 to3. Um, similar

[1:14:52] situations. So, I'm really having some trouble with consistency here. Do you

[1:14:57] want to speak to it at all? >> I'm afraid I can.

[1:15:01] I went back and looked at the meeting minutes and don't I think Wolver went

[1:15:07] through twice basically I think he got comments from PNC and then kind of

[1:15:13] corrected that and went back don't over that but I reached out after the PNC

[1:15:17] meeting I felt it was a rough meeting like there were

[1:15:22] they knew how they were going to vote before they started before I even talked

[1:15:25] to be honest with you and uh I talked to I tried talking to DJ Priest after the

[1:15:30] meeting the next day um he said I can't legally talk to you they gave me no

[1:15:35] comments at the meeting to say hey if you can tweak this or do this it was

[1:15:39] just basically no 60 done >> and if you see hesitation in me

[1:15:45] » no I want to answer your question >> finish what I was going to say in in a

[1:15:49] previous project you know we're going to plant trees and we're going to do this

[1:15:52] we're going to do that wasn't done so I don't know where the

[1:15:56] followup on that is or what we do as a community to make sure that people

[1:16:00] follow through on what they say they're going to do. So, I'm holding I'm going

[1:16:04] to, you know, you've said all this in a public hearing. It'll be part of the

[1:16:06] notes. >> Um,

[1:16:09] » the consistency is a hard one for me on this one.

[1:16:11] » I can show you that dad's project on locust 10 years ago, there were notes

[1:16:16] brought up in this meeting and you can go out to that property and see that

[1:16:19] they were all done. >> Trees are planted. Whatever was asked in

[1:16:22] that meeting was done. So, I I can commit to what we talk

[1:16:27] about. And honestly, you guys want to come out, more power to you to come out.

[1:16:32] We're making this project for the next generation. For my son that's with us to

[1:16:39] the 100 employees that work under our brand. This isn't a oneanddone project

[1:16:44] for us. We we got into storage facilities a few years ago um of using

[1:16:50] extra space and it's it's put two people to busy all summer mowing. It's put a

[1:16:56] handyman together fixing stuff. It's put, you know, we got two gals in the

[1:17:00] office that got full-time jobs because of what we're building. So,

[1:17:06] trying to come up with this happy medium that we can build something that looks

[1:17:09] appropriate to the facility um and uh put people to work

[1:17:14] » and it's a conversation for the wider community that we can't have here

[1:17:17] unfortunately. Lind do we want Highway 52 to become storage facilities as we

[1:17:22] lead into town? There's another storage facility representative who spoke in

[1:17:26] favor of you today. What does this open it up for future? What do we want to

[1:17:30] look like as a community in the future? And that's where my concern for

[1:17:33] lighting, um, trees, retention ponds, the protection of the environment, the

[1:17:38] vistas, the all of that. So, and then when I go back and look at the PNZ notes

[1:17:44] for approval for both Boltmer and Holland facilities, Highway 9 and

[1:17:48] Highway 52, respectively. Um, I'm having some trouble with that inconsistency on

[1:17:53] this one. I'm not fully understanding why, and I wish they were here to answer

[1:17:57] that question, but they're not >> and I can't talk to them before this

[1:18:02] meeting. That would be exparte communication, just as I couldn't talk

[1:18:04] to any of you before this meeting. So, I'm asking the questions here in the

[1:18:09] public hearing. >> And I don't know, I don't see any

[1:18:12] retention ponds, but I haven't physically drove on private property to

[1:18:15] see them, but one of our features on the front of our building is to make a

[1:18:19] pretty high appealing retention pond with some really nice river rock. Um,

[1:18:24] and they call it a a wet pond where basically we'll keep about four feet of

[1:18:28] water in the bottom of the pond. We want to put a fountain in there that looks

[1:18:32] really nice. So, you know, I'm sure you've seen the bowling alley we've done

[1:18:36] in several projects. I want this to look as nice as it possibly can. Our

[1:18:40] fireplace showroom, I think, turned out awesome with the fireplaces on display.

[1:18:44] So, we're working with a local contractor to have a nice overhang on

[1:18:48] the front of the commercial building. We'll have fireplaces and our furniture,

[1:18:51] Amish furniture that we sell outside um with pavers and uh um you know, we want

[1:18:57] consumers to feel welcome to come to our facility. We don't want it to look like

[1:19:00] an industrial facility that nobody wants to walk out the front door either.

[1:19:07] » I think that the Novaks have have demonstrated over over the years quality

[1:19:12] of the projects that they build would fit what I'm hearing Russell say

[1:19:17] today. Uh, no, no offense, Matt, but I would

[1:19:22] challenge between the current storage units and the uh the Novak storage units

[1:19:29] a competition that would be which one is going to have a better looking building

[1:19:34] as you go towards the future because I don't know if Mr. Kurt will stop

[1:19:37] building storage either, but I'd like to see a little competition between the two

[1:19:42] of them. Uh, the last thing that I want to see is I'd like to see us revisit as

[1:19:48] a board our general plan because I think the overall focus with so much that is

[1:19:54] just cut and dry the appearance of it's corn,

[1:20:00] you can't get rid of it. I don't want to comprehensive plan.

[1:20:03] » Yeah, the comprehensive plan. I think that the last thing this county needs is

[1:20:09] to hang a shingle out there that says close for business.

[1:20:12] » I I also want to reiterate the fact that when you do a redo of the con when you

[1:20:17] review the comprehensive plan that took that was years in the making and it

[1:20:22] includes a lot of community input. So if we look into that just for the

[1:20:26] conversation that also has to be a huge community input again not to be

[1:20:31] discussed today and decided today but it's a huge community input piece back

[1:20:38] Tony I have a question for you spot zoning just so you can kind of educate

[1:20:42] the room and the public BNC that was one of their reasons for

[1:20:47] denial was spot zoning but we do have the DOT garage the Mirage Shack uh now

[1:20:54] business on the same area and the JB Holland on the same highway.

[1:21:00] Tell me why this would be spot zoning. >> So the definition of spot zoning is

[1:21:05] excuse me an island of land that is zoned differently from the surrounding

[1:21:10] area but it is an incompatible use. Okay. So to be spot zoning it has to be

[1:21:17] different from the surrounding area. It has to be incompatible with the

[1:21:20] surrounding area. What's what's the definition of surrounding area? Adjacent

[1:21:25] or within a few miles? What's what's the definition here?

[1:21:28] » That's for judges to decide, right? >> It's pretty big.

[1:21:33] » So, it's, you know, at this level, it's for you to decide. Okay. So, to be spot

[1:21:39] zoning, it has to be a different zoning, which it is, right? It has to be

[1:21:45] incompatible with the surrounding uses. That's a decision for you to make with

[1:21:50] that competitive with certain needs. >> So I would suppose then that Hollands

[1:21:54] was spot zoning. Uh would be spot zoning kind of I guess. I

[1:22:00] don't think it's through the do roller would have been spot zoning. The NFL

[1:22:04] buying station would spot zoning. >> All those could have an argument made

[1:22:10] that they were spot zoning. But um the second one uh you kind of threw a couple

[1:22:17] examples in there that don't really work so well.

[1:22:19] » Right. >> So right across the road from Bmer's was

[1:22:23] uh an industrial zone property. So is the second one

[1:22:28] spot zoned? No, >> possibly not.

[1:22:33] » What property across from Bolton supposed? Uh actually it was Russell

[1:22:37] Novak had a property across there that was owned that was owned uh I believe in

[1:22:43] one can't really remember like four years ago probably about four or five

[1:22:49] four >> so yes uh you know to answer your

[1:22:52] question arguments can be made it's up to you to uh decide which side

[1:22:59] of it you take >> is wind in the city or is that in the

[1:23:03] county guest county.

[1:23:07] » Did you recommend to the NO box that you thought this would fit into C1 as the

[1:23:13] best? >> Uh did I recommend to them? I don't they

[1:23:18] came to me with their proposal and I look at the book and says, "Yep, C1 is

[1:23:24] the one that fits." Well, just me looking at it, you know, like was

[1:23:27] mentioned prior with that top paragraph where, you know, it basically says C1

[1:23:33] Highway commercial district is intended to accommodate uses which ordinarily

[1:23:37] serve the traveling public and commercial uses

[1:23:41] which generally require substantial land area and access to a major traffic

[1:23:47] artery. So it's encouraging in a long one of our major core

[1:23:58] » which that goes back to our comprehensive plan also for our

[1:24:01] comprehensive plan list that we want development along our major corridors

[1:24:06] and I believe they actually spell out 952 and

[1:24:10] » 24 yeah

[1:24:16] » so then here we They said you can't do that then. Well,

[1:24:20] it's in our comp that you're that's where they recommend doing it. So, it's

[1:24:24] they're none there. >> Well, do we have any more questions?

[1:24:29] » No. For anybody else? >> Mark, what were you trying to say? Just

[1:24:33] do you want to finish what you're saying?

[1:24:35] » Well, they're saying they the comprehensive plan says to build on 952

[1:24:40] or 24 and there they're saying they can't because it's unsafe. Well, DOT's

[1:24:46] the city does their study and said it's safe. And my thing is I agree with like

[1:24:51] Gordon said, they they got how many less trucks coming through town. You want to

[1:24:55] talk about safety, kids going to school, just upkeep in the streets, uh just it's

[1:25:02] just it's just a no-brainer. Takes all that traffic out of town for safet. It's

[1:25:07] a big safety plus for the town. You know >> what will happen to your facility on

[1:25:13] Locust? Uh we have somebody actually two different people interested on our

[1:25:17] warehouse north of town and I got a phone call last week of someone that's

[1:25:21] interested in our fireplace showroom. Uh dad has a lifetime lease at our main

[1:25:27] office. So we'll probably meet that at this point so he has a place to live

[1:25:33] and to a point to bring up there their business is coming in if they're in

[1:25:36] sales or something. There's still going to be sales tax the property tax is

[1:25:40] still going to have to be paid on them buildings. I mean, we're it's a it's

[1:25:44] just a win-winwin. Everything you look at is a win. There ain't no We ain't

[1:25:48] losing property tax. You ain't tearing them buildings down. Ain't going on at

[1:25:52] it. Somebody's going to be in them and using them.

[1:25:54] » One one big thing, you know, when you ask about, you know, Pleasant, making

[1:25:57] stuff look nice. We we built this beautiful bowling alley renovation here

[1:26:03] five years ago now. And I didn't have to make the outside look any different. You

[1:26:09] know, if you look at the facade at the front of the bowling alley, we spent an

[1:26:11] extra quarter million dollars to make that a little sexy and uh we didn't have

[1:26:17] to do that. So, you know, I hope you can take my word that what we decide or talk

[1:26:23] about and want to see um we will follow through just like dad did 10 years ago

[1:26:28] and I've done on projects that we've done. Um if there's ever a

[1:26:32] misunderstanding, you got my number. >> Is that the project north up there on

[1:26:37] Locust Road? That was a little rocky there for a little bit, but got things

[1:26:41] taken care of and >> and we planted the trees that were

[1:26:44] asking us. We, you know, done whatever we were asked for through that process

[1:26:48] of under the bridge today. >> It is.

[1:26:52] » So, what are we asking for today

[1:26:56] as far as what does the site look like? because in past conversations there's

[1:27:03] not been follow through on what we'd kind of like to see versus what was

[1:27:08] actually constructed. >> I don't know how to answer.

[1:27:11] » I'm not asking you asking my mic's up here.

[1:27:14] » So I I will chime in on that one and I would like to come back to conference

[1:27:18] and plan also if somebody reminds me a bit. Um so when an applicant submits a

[1:27:23] site plan that is exactly what it is. It's a plan that is a non-binding

[1:27:27] document. All right. Now if there are certain things I code allows a

[1:27:33] conditional reasoning. All right. On a conditional reasoning

[1:27:37] the supervisors can put on uh requirements that will specifically

[1:27:44] alleviate a problem. Right now how do those get done? I am in charge of

[1:27:50] keeping sure those go well. If they don't go well we file things with the

[1:27:55] district court. Whatever we have to do. We've just seen where that comes back to

[1:27:59] the board of supervisors and they change it. All right. So to answer your

[1:28:05] question is site plan is non-binding. If you want binding things, it has to be

[1:28:10] done as a conditional zoning. >> All right.

[1:28:13] » In this meeting or pre or >> in this meeting conditional zoning has

[1:28:17] to be agreed to by the applicant in writing before the adjourment of the

[1:28:21] public hearing. So one of those conditional uses would be the

[1:28:25] requirement of that retention pond. >> That could be if you can say that a

[1:28:32] retention pond is required to alleviate a problem that that construction is

[1:28:36] causing

[1:28:40] um while we're thinking about that the comprehensive plan. So the comprehensive

[1:28:44] plan says this is kind of in reply to what you were saying Mark the

[1:28:48] comprehensive plan has a lot of goals. Okay. So, some of the goals are we want

[1:28:55] development along major highways, right? Some of the goals are we want to

[1:29:00] preserve farmland. It is the board of supervisors responsibility to prioritize

[1:29:06] those goals for an individual request or individual location request. Right?

[1:29:14] So, it is I I didn't like the way it sounded where one is all going with this

[1:29:20] and one is all going with that. These are both goals we have, but it is the

[1:29:26] board of supervisors responsibility to prioritize which goals are more

[1:29:31] important for a specific development.

[1:29:39] One more comment that I would like to make is if they would leave the county,

[1:29:43] what you guys are going to lose >> and do you understand that and the

[1:29:48] comprehensive pack package of that whole thing? Because you're not just going to

[1:29:51] lose the business, you're going to lose taxes, you're going to lose employees,

[1:29:54] you're going to lose families, and they're going to move.

[1:30:00] Tony, don't isn't it a responsibility of a landowner to contain property water

[1:30:04] from running onto their neighbors unless it's a established drainage

[1:30:10] requirement, >> but I do believe uh with the I'm going

[1:30:15] to say NRCS there is uh there's requirements on that. I'm I'm not

[1:30:21] positive. Yeah, but that falls with that entity

[1:30:25] » parameter up there. You that's >> that's not we don't regulate that.

[1:30:33] » And I don't I personally don't think that a row of trees along 52 is an

[1:30:37] advantage. In fact, I think that's a real detraction to the business. And if

[1:30:41] they're putting up track record would show that they put up a a good looking

[1:30:46] building in general. He's really going to push Tate Kurt to the limits. I

[1:30:51] think. Not going to see. Hope I can get a

[1:30:59] » Well, right now you you were looking at a fence, a chain link fence along your

[1:31:03] storage units. >> Yes. Yep. So, this will be one of the

[1:31:06] only one I'm aware of in Russia County that's actually

[1:31:11] been coded to get in. That sound appropriate to

[1:31:14] » Yes. >> coded like a black viol.

[1:31:19] » I That's the same. I mean, as we talk about things, my cheapest route,

[1:31:23] galvanized fence that looks like a jail. That's not what we do. You can see

[1:31:26] around every solar project we've done, it's a PVC coated bench. The cost is

[1:31:30] double, but it looks very attractive to the customer going by. I mean, we want

[1:31:36] both. We want the consumer to come in that feels comfortable coming to our

[1:31:39] facility. Um, but there's a substantial cost. I mean, when I put this fence in,

[1:31:46] uh, PVC coated, you know, gated access, my cost is going to be higher than TA's

[1:31:52] facility that doesn't have it. So, you're going to have different customer

[1:31:55] clientele when we put a security system in and have cameras at our site compared

[1:32:00] to a facility that doesn't have cameras. We're at two different price points uh

[1:32:05] of pleasing two different customers. You know, if you come to our facility, it's

[1:32:09] gated, fenced, cameras, security lighting. um

[1:32:12] » free coffee >> probably not coffee but uh but if you

[1:32:17] come up to our shop there probably would be but

[1:32:20] you could see a 15 or 20% price difference between the customer that

[1:32:23] comes and rents and that consumer needs to decide you know can I afford and what

[1:32:28] am I looking for so we're going to provide two different there's there's

[1:32:33] services for everybody there's >> and you did that you did your homework

[1:32:36] on that you know what's out there have them otherwise

[1:32:39] » and that's the same thing we have facilities in the same town offer

[1:32:43] different amenities. The new facility we just did in Charles City that has

[1:32:47] cameras, lighting, um we charge a different price point than one that

[1:32:52] doesn't have those amenities. This would be our first facility with a fence uh

[1:32:57] gated access. And how the site plan typically most properties don't have

[1:33:03] enough real estate to drive off the public road to get to a um a gate to

[1:33:09] type a combination in with a a a 40ft campus. We're able to pair that driveway

[1:33:16] sauce with this project of entering Perry Electric and entering the um

[1:33:21] storage facility. Um,

[1:33:25] so people are coming in and off the highway. Our driveway is roughly 200

[1:33:29] feet long to share that access to come in and off the highway.

[1:33:35] » What >> I miss might have missed this in the

[1:33:38] conversation today, but who did you work with or have you worked with anybody for

[1:33:42] the the study for any new runoff created by the hard surfaces and

[1:33:49] » all? you calculate it all in your

[1:33:52] » basically I've used the internet to determine the uh the size of the

[1:33:57] basically solid surface areas and they base it off the 100 year flood you got

[1:34:01] to store it I have it all written down at home with the calculation but um you

[1:34:05] got to store it for a period of time um you need to have so much volume uh your

[1:34:10] retention pond has to be a certain slope um

[1:34:13] » what is the volume runoff created by this

[1:34:20] Well, in previous projects, there were studies done. Some That's why mask

[1:34:25] » and I don't blame you. That's if if you were to put that in there, require me to

[1:34:28] hire an engineer, that would be a burden.

[1:34:31] » I would spend probably around $80,000 to give you a stamp drawing that says what

[1:34:37] the runoff needs to be.

[1:34:43] Um I'm a bit fixated on the runoff part of

[1:34:47] the detention basins and tent for moment because I struggle with a neighbor

[1:34:53] and the city has that problem and you put a detention basin in and it's silts

[1:34:58] in over time but there's no requirement to maintain the calculated depth of that

[1:35:05] so it really becomes ineffective. >> One thing is we want all the equipment

[1:35:09] to do it all. We'll be doing all our own site work here. We'll be doing our own,

[1:35:13] you know, I own Artsmith Electric. We'll be doing our own geothermal system with

[1:35:16] our own staff. Um, we'll be doing our own excavation,

[1:35:20] applying our rock compaction, and then subbing out the concrete in the building

[1:35:24] portion. Um, uh, I know the previous owner basically has already spent a

[1:35:31] substantial amount of money on retention water there along with the access

[1:35:37] underneath the highway and pieces already. They're only going to be a huge

[1:35:41] benefit for me as we collect that 100-year flood rain and then slowly

[1:35:45] discharge it. So I know the city implemented plan

[1:35:49] obviously that that has to be examined and maintain

[1:35:53] » I can think of three projects in decor lost because basically what their

[1:35:56] requirements are for storm water >> but I think you're putting the storm

[1:36:02] water in the front of your main office and showroom and I think in your own

[1:36:09] interest you did that on purpose putting it in the front and intend to use it as

[1:36:13] a feature rather than a liability. It's 100% a feature. So, realistically, I'd

[1:36:18] like it to be larger than needed, you know, to have a pond out. Um, and we

[1:36:23] want to put a color changing uh some lights in the water to have a fountain.

[1:36:27] Um, honestly, it's going to be one of our focal points. And just like, you

[1:36:31] know, the the colors and stuff I use in front of the bowling alley of the wood

[1:36:36] grain textured look to make it look vibrant. That's I'm going to use this

[1:36:41] pond to do the same thing with. you know, we want this pond even to the

[1:36:45] point potentially we might put a bridge across the pond as more of a a

[1:36:49] decorative piece. >> So, you have no study saying you need

[1:36:53] that retention pond? >> Uh, just my own logic knowing that we're

[1:36:58] taking permable farm ground and turning into a solid surface

[1:37:02] » with the various colored light feature. >> It would

[1:37:08] I mean I I'd like it to look nice kind of like courthouse does here.

[1:37:12] » Yeah. We have color changing lights on the

[1:37:14] courthouse to make it look nice >> for specific holidays. Otherwise,

[1:37:19] » okay, that's a different subject. We have we learned everything we need here

[1:37:23] in the public hearing. >> Move to close the public hearing.

[1:37:27] » Second everybody.

[1:37:31] » I asked already have a motion and a second to close the

[1:37:35] public hearing. Who's the second >> that mark that?

[1:37:42] » All those in favor say I. >> I

[1:37:45] suppos

[1:37:59] I think I've already stated on some of it.

[1:38:03] The CSR is a we have to accept that fact. Um there's only so much land for

[1:38:10] sale along a major road. It's hard to find it.

[1:38:15] Uh I think you have to take advantage of what's offered.

[1:38:20] So the CSR I do not have a problem with.

[1:38:26] And it said number three was using CSR ground for storage units. in C1 number

[1:38:34] 20 rental storage facilities are listed in C1. So it is a fit for the C1

[1:38:41] number of acres requested for the zoning. go back to the top which

[1:38:46] generally requires substantial land area that is out of point and the public

[1:38:53] safety due to heavy traffic on Highway 52 potential driveway permit is going to

[1:39:01] be allowed. The DOT looks at that and that also states that C1 should be on

[1:39:06] the major traffic. So,

[1:39:10] the only one that possibly goes in there is spot zoning and with the relationship

[1:39:18] um distance to the other facilities that we listed. I don't believe spot zone.

[1:39:24] Those are my views. >> No, I'm with you there with you.

[1:39:27] » I would say the the county seems to want to grow that direction already. So, it's

[1:39:33] not like we're >> it's creating a new precedent in that

[1:39:37] respect. And I think that's average farmland.

[1:39:42] » I mean, >> it's a good it's a good economic

[1:39:44] contribution to >> and we got to go you got to go up to the

[1:39:48] top of the hill if you're going to develop now because the core is full. I

[1:39:52] » mean, you got and there's only four ways to go and

[1:39:57] and >> that's where we're at and it's gonna

[1:39:59] just keep growing. That's yeah, >> there's not too many sites along there

[1:40:03] that have the proper line of sight for a good driveway access and you're not

[1:40:08] going to be able to >> I don't think you're going to

[1:40:10] accommodate many other sites because of curves and so forth that come down the

[1:40:16] way. So, I think it's a good I think it's a good site for it. Um,

[1:40:23] I I don't see a problem. >> Going back to one of your comments,

[1:40:26] Steve, where you said um about the close to business sign. I

[1:40:33] think that's a sign that we need to take down here county.

[1:40:36] » Yeah. Don't want to see that because we we're graduating our intellectual

[1:40:40] capital from all of our schools. And what do we expect for them to do in the

[1:40:44] future? Are they going to take and leave the community and go elsewhere or are we

[1:40:48] going to take and make an effort to take and build business, promote business

[1:40:52] that is good business following? Uh I think this is a good opportunity.

[1:40:58] » And you talk about schools 51 51 some percent of that tax dollar is theirs

[1:41:06] and it probably go up a couple percent but they're the they're the biggest

[1:41:10] gainer out of this here. Yeah. you know, the school system is any business that's

[1:41:15] I mean, it's come on, it's just a norainer.

[1:41:18] » But going back to something Shirley said also is that it was a unanimous decision

[1:41:23] amongst the PNZ and that quite honestly just baffles me.

[1:41:27] » Me too. >> Because the more I've read through this

[1:41:30] and read through it, I'm like, I just don't see where they were coming from.

[1:41:34] And if we had one person sitting on P&Z tells them delete town,

[1:41:41] that's really disturbing. I mean, you're somebody on PNZ tells you to go to a

[1:41:46] different town. That's just that's just downright that's not even

[1:41:50] » but they were they were referring to another town within

[1:41:52] » within W. >> Not within Wish County. if that town was

[1:41:57] not within county. >> No, the one was

[1:42:00] » was space available in there was but obviously they also have operations in

[1:42:06] other surrounding counties that they can donate to. So that was just a bit I just

[1:42:12] » and I and I really always support try to support what DNC does. They do good

[1:42:17] work. >> I was previously on port on PNC. Uh Dan

[1:42:21] was previously on PNZ and I'm bewildered as to why this would be a seven.

[1:42:30] » You have any comments, Shirley? I have a lot of comments, but um

[1:42:39] uh were there conversations leading up to this from board members with anybody?

[1:42:50] I I might made up any phone calls. >> Yeah, I got a phone call and I answered

[1:42:56] questions. That's my responsibility >> from

[1:43:01] » the residents >> from the from Perry Perry Novak. I'm

[1:43:05] Perry Russell. >> Well,

[1:43:09] I'd like >> So, you communicated with Russell Novak

[1:43:11] before today's hearing on it? >> Did I communicate with him? I answered

[1:43:15] questions from as a supervisor. are >> what questions were asked. Can you share

[1:43:19] in the public hearing >> about things that he

[1:43:23] » so we can all know >> only things that he revealed here today

[1:43:27] the approval of the DOT >> and the location I I I clarified where

[1:43:35] that driveway was for sure. Uh looking at the corn as we drive by trying to

[1:43:40] determine which one it was. I'm glad that that is in that particular location

[1:43:44] because I think the traffic issue is then solved.

[1:43:48] I don't see I see no problem with answering his questions.

[1:43:54] » Mark, did you have any >> I said public just wanted to know why

[1:43:58] PNZ turn >> no any conversations with um Hunter or

[1:44:03] No

[1:44:06] » I just talked to the public. >> No conversations with the parties. I

[1:44:10] just said I just talked to the public. >> Are you considering Novak Electric the

[1:44:15] public statement? >> I'm just saying surely I talked to the

[1:44:18] public. >> I answered the public.

[1:44:20] » I did talk to Russell. He called me. I answered my phone when the phone rings.

[1:44:26] We had a very brief talk and uh asked me if I knew anything about the PNZ and all

[1:44:35] that and I said just what I read. I had a call from John Nielson, but I

[1:44:41] said I and I had been at that meeting and said I really couldn't comment on it

[1:44:47] because it's basically opening something with us. But he declined enough offer to

[1:44:53] look at, you know, plans because I had seen him. So did you

[1:44:59] » I got a call from John and I said I could not discuss because that would be

[1:45:03] considered expartite. >> You answered your phone.

[1:45:05] » I didn't discuss anything. I said I can't talk about it. Is that

[1:45:10] correct, Chuck? >> All right. So, I think we just need to

[1:45:13] get back to what we're >> I'm not finished with my comments. So,

[1:45:17] another question I have and I get back to the consistency issue and I wish the

[1:45:21] PNC commission were here to represent themselves when they they allow two

[1:45:26] others in similar situation. Um, but not on this one. I am perplexed

[1:45:32] by that as a board member. But for consistency sake, I was also the lone no

[1:45:38] vote on the other two that I brought up here because the ordinance also talks

[1:45:43] about the beauty of the county and protecting that beauty. And this is just

[1:45:48] my own opinion and feeling, but a colored fountain up on the vista of

[1:45:52] Highway 9 coming in or highway 52 coming into Decora.

[1:45:58] I don't know what what are we about as a county and what do we want to look like?

[1:46:01] That's just a personal opinion. beauties in the eyes they behold her. Of course.

[1:46:06] Um, so I'm I'm really torn on this. >> So we got colored lights on a bridge

[1:46:12] leading decor. What What's any different from that?

[1:46:14] » I'm just really torn on this boat

[1:46:19] and those are for holidays >> on the on the bridge out there just for

[1:46:24] holidays. >> And I didn't vote on that and it's not

[1:46:27] part of the city hearing today. >> No,

[1:46:29] » this is not part of our hearing today. I'm just talking about this specifically

[1:46:34] and I appreciate their their business here. I do. This is a tough one.

[1:46:40] » Would anyone be interested in the reading?

[1:46:47] » Motion for the first reading. >> Second.

[1:46:50] » I have a motion and second for the first reading of the no lock

[1:46:56] reszoning request.

[1:46:59] All those in favor say I. >> I.

[1:47:03] » Those opposed. Motion passes.

[1:47:09] Ordinance amending the county zoning ordinance to change the zoning

[1:47:13] classification from A1 agricultural district to C1 highway commercial

[1:47:17] district for the herein described property. Whereas a request for

[1:47:21] amendment to the zoning ordinance of Wy County was submitted to the planning and

[1:47:25] zoning commission. said request having been acted upon by the planning and

[1:47:29] zoning commission following a public hearing. And whereas the request for

[1:47:34] amendment of the zoning ordinance pertains to the following described real

[1:47:38] estate. A portion of the northeast quarter of the southwest quarter of

[1:47:42] section 29 of township 98 north range 8 west of the fifth PM Wick County aisle.

[1:47:51] Whereas the said zoning request requested that the property be reszoned

[1:47:56] from A1 egg cultural district to C1 highway commercial district. And whereas

[1:48:03] a notice of the time and place of public hearing on said request was published

[1:48:07] pursuant to law. And whereas a public hearing as required has been conducted

[1:48:13] by the Wii County Board of Supervisors. Whereas the Wii County Board of

[1:48:18] Supervisors has considered the Wesi County Comprehensive Plan and their

[1:48:23] review of the applicant's request and does find that the request is consistent

[1:48:27] with the policies and goals set out in the Wiki County Comprehensive Plan and

[1:48:33] now therefore be it resolved by the Wish County Board of Supervisors that zoning

[1:48:39] classification as to the following described real estate a portion of

[1:48:43] northeast quarter of the southwest quarter of section 29 of township 98

[1:48:48] north range 8 west of the 5th PM Wishik County Iowa is hereby changed from A1

[1:48:55] agricultural district to C1 highway commercial district

[1:49:00] to that the zoning map of Wesi County Iowa be modified to reflect this change

[1:49:06] repealer all ordinances and parts of ordinances in conflict with this zoning

[1:49:11] ordinance or inconsistent with the provisions of this ordinance are hereby

[1:49:16] repealed to the extent necessary to give this ordinance full force and effect.

[1:49:20] Servability clause. If any section part or provision of this ordinance shall be

[1:49:25] judged invalid or unconstitutional, such adjunction shall not affect the

[1:49:30] validity of the ordinance as a whole or any section, provision or part thereof

[1:49:35] not a judged, invalid or unconstitutional.

[1:49:39] The effective date this ordinance shall be in full force in effect after its

[1:49:42] passage and publication as provided by law.

[1:49:49] » So are we going to require any conditional uses at

[1:49:55] all on this zoning request? >> I don't believe we can. It had to be

[1:49:59] done during the public hearing. >> But you did not to be clear.

[1:50:02] » No one brought forward.

[1:50:08] I move to wave the second and third readings.

[1:50:12] » And a second to wave the second and third readings of the Novak electric

[1:50:17] zoning request. >> All those in favor say I.

[1:50:23] » I. Those opposed. Same sign. Motion passes

[1:50:28] unanimously.

[1:50:36] We got possible action. There you go. Wet County Auditor.

[1:50:42] » Thanks, Tony. >> All problems fixed by the problems fixed

[1:50:46] that are up and running. >> Thank you.

[1:50:50] » I move to approve the zoning request. >> I have a motion second. That was just a

[1:50:58] vote a minute ago to wave the second >> second and third reading.

[1:51:02] » Right now we have a motion and a second zoning

[1:51:08] ordinance.

[1:51:16] Is there any further discussion on my vote

[1:51:20] with faith that people follow through with the inventions were stated today?

[1:51:25] So, >> I'm with you on that and I believe they

[1:51:29] will. >> I I would like more information from BNC

[1:51:33] and I wish they would have been here too.

[1:51:38] » Just anyone would like to meet, you know, in the next couple of months. We

[1:51:42] aren't going to do much work till next year.

[1:51:44] » But nothing's binding after today. >> It's not. But that doesn't mean we can't

[1:51:48] talk. >> Yeah.

[1:51:50] » Well, I want to hold all those in favor talk. Mark.

[1:51:55] » Hi. Shirley. >> Uh, for consistency reasons, I'm a no.

[1:52:00] » I >> I also pass this 4 to one.

[1:52:16] » I would love to meet with you sometime. >> That's my problem.

[1:52:18] » I know. Thank you so much. >> Thank you for your time.

[1:52:20] » Thanks for >> Thank you, John. Thank you.

[1:52:26] » Rise in the challenge. Tate.

[1:52:30] » Thank you all.

[1:52:36] » Next morning,

[1:52:48] » I'm glad you guys meet on Mondays and not regularly on Tuesday. Yeah,

[1:52:52] » I bet. Fourth day >> crazy.

[1:52:57] » At least you dress up for us. >> Just trying to close the place up, you

[1:53:01] know.

[1:53:04] » Um

[1:53:07] think the only item I have on the agenda for you is the appointment of uh Will

[1:53:13] Marks as a deputy sheriff. Um, given the fact that he is Dan Marx's son, I sent

[1:53:21] you a copy of a resolution and also a policy concerning employment relatives

[1:53:27] and a little bit of background in information last Friday. Um, happy to

[1:53:33] answer whatever questions that you have. But

[1:53:38] back up a little farther. Uh, two years ago, Civil Service Commission met and

[1:53:44] they put their list together and Will is on it

[1:53:49] with Dan and said, "Well, you know, we'll deal with this if we ever have to

[1:53:53] deal with it." Here we are.

[1:53:56] » Um, so we're down to three people on that list.

[1:54:02] Um, one is an McKe County resident who is not willing to move to Wesake. um

[1:54:08] that individual is ineligible. Uh another one withdrew their name and

[1:54:13] decided they wanted to stay at the employment that they currently have and

[1:54:17] uh will is still on the list. Will tested well. He was vetted by civil

[1:54:24] service um and at the time of his potential appointment by you folks would

[1:54:31] be about two and a half years in as a law enforcement officer. I've been

[1:54:37] working with him on occasion on cases he's been involved in. Um, very positive

[1:54:43] experience. He's uh he's learning. He's coming along. He's asking good

[1:54:48] questions. I followed up talking to officers that he works with at the PD.

[1:54:55] I've talked to sheriff's deputies. Um, same thing. You know, he's he's making

[1:55:02] progress. He's doing the right things. He's asking right questions. and he'll

[1:55:05] be he'll be a um a good law enforcement officer for Lynch County regardless of

[1:55:11] where it's at down the road. Um next question we had to address is um

[1:55:19] we have a common policy against hiring relatives and state code provision

[1:55:24] limiting the ability to hire a relative. Um

[1:55:29] and how did those two fit together? Um, in state code, you folks uh set the bond

[1:55:37] for uh officers and deputies within the county. And the code says that as long

[1:55:43] as you set the bond for this individual, that provision regarding um working for

[1:55:49] a family member is waved.

[1:55:53] You also um control the terms of the um employment handbook which restricts

[1:56:01] hiring of family members. And you can wave that provision for good

[1:56:07] cause and in this case I've tried to identify a number of factors within the

[1:56:12] resolution that would constitute good cause. Not the least of which is um you

[1:56:18] know if I go out and say my daughter wants a job in my office as a secretary

[1:56:27] I'm the only person evaluating her abilities and hiring her would be

[1:56:31] inappropriate. Here the deputy is vetted by the civil

[1:56:36] service process um completely outside of the control of the sheriff. um sheriff

[1:56:44] has input obviously in terms of what's happening in that process, but the

[1:56:50] decision as to who goes on the list is done by the civil service commission. So

[1:56:56] there's a there's a safeguard in place um safety

[1:57:03] rail so to speak and I think with that in place um my thought was you

[1:57:10] know legally this can happen meeting certain criteria

[1:57:16] um in a belton suspenders move I called Lynch Dallas and said hey here's what

[1:57:21] I'm seeing can you take a look at this uh this with Maddie for a while. She

[1:57:26] said, "Yeah, I'm in agreement with you. You may want to do, you know, make sure

[1:57:31] that, you know, there's written policy in place. Yeah, we're working on that

[1:57:37] and you may want to include X, Y, and Z." And, yeah, so we implemented those

[1:57:41] ideas. And long story short is in the resolution, I

[1:57:48] lay out the steps that you would need to take if you choose to make this

[1:57:52] appointment. a rationale for why you're making the appointment and why you're

[1:57:58] suspending the county policy and why you're approving the hire um under the

[1:58:04] state policy as well and uh ultimately making an appointment um that's

[1:58:11] effective November 9th. The other piece of this that's attached

[1:58:17] is the written policy itself. um basically putting this hire under the

[1:58:22] supervision of the chief deputy. Um you know, it's one thing if Dan says, "Hey,

[1:58:28] we're going to, you know, we're going to have an officewide meeting on Thursday."

[1:58:34] Um probably not something that needs to go through the chief deputy to say,

[1:58:38] "Well, you need to be here on Thursday, or you know, we're going to we're going

[1:58:43] to fill our cars with gas at whatever station."

[1:58:48] um that can apply to everybody. When it comes time to say, you know, we need to

[1:58:55] uh review um potential disciplinary issues, we need to review um uh work

[1:59:02] assignment um you know, or maybe patrol officer, investigator, you know, those

[1:59:08] types of things. That becomes a chief deputy decision.

[1:59:13] And rather than uh rather than leave that to kind of a whim

[1:59:19] of any sort, we reduce that to writing policy and is uh safeguard and I visited

[1:59:26] with uh Steve and also with Dan about this that you know if this policy if

[1:59:32] they get working with it and say you know this isn't quite working the way we

[1:59:37] anticipated it um come to me come back to the board of supervisors.

[1:59:45] It needs to be changed with all of our approval. Um, not just, hey,

[1:59:52] this isn't working. We're going to do it different. So, you guys stay engaged in

[1:59:57] the process. And, and I think I think that's important also.

[2:00:03] So, I don't think I've covered everything in here that that I've uh

[2:00:07] sent out to you, but I think it's most of it. and I'm happy to field any

[2:00:11] questions if you have them. >> So to be clear, main supervision would

[2:00:15] be with >> Steve.

[2:00:17] » Yep. >> Right now, Chief,

[2:00:19] » just making it clear to the the people watching and

[2:00:23] » and today you're just presenting this this part um and possibly approving the

[2:00:29] policy and the actual appointment will still

[2:00:33] come up on a future agenda or will that >> the appointments in here also possible,

[2:00:38] » right? I didn't know for sure if that was what the plan was.

[2:00:42] » Great. The appointment would come up um and it includes the start date of

[2:00:46] November 9. >> And I think Lynn was preparing some

[2:00:53] appointment documents because I don't think we had those ready yet. So,

[2:00:57] » Sure. I had a rare I had a rare opportunity

[2:01:01] during the fair to run into officer Marks at the fair and in a rare

[2:01:07] vignette of time where I got to be able to spend about 30 minutes with him in a

[2:01:11] direct conversation and with my because I've spent a lot of years of

[2:01:17] interviewing and recruiting. Uh I asked him a lot of very pointed questions

[2:01:20] about his career path, what he planned on doing and things of that nature. And

[2:01:24] you know, my my take away from the whole thing was a very squared away young man

[2:01:29] who uh is a real credit to uh proper upraising and good work ethic. And I

[2:01:35] think what he's demonstrated down at Decor PD has been excellent from what I

[2:01:41] see just from the outside and few comments that I've heard. That was a uh

[2:01:46] unusual not planned but had an opportunity there which I'm really glad

[2:01:51] to see because he it gave me a really good feel for the strength of that young

[2:01:54] man. >> I think it would be unfair to not give

[2:01:59] him the opportunity just because of his relationship with Dale. I mean that's

[2:02:03] just very unfair and he is right now the only

[2:02:09] vet in Canada to the job. >> Um that's correct. Which also brings us

[2:02:15] to the second part of this story if you want it now or

[2:02:20] » and I alluded to that um city of Kmer city of Ashen are looking

[2:02:26] for more hours for law enforcement. um

[2:02:31] when Med is looking for hours.

[2:02:36] Um next week I hope to have uh proposed 280 agreements for your review. But with

[2:02:44] that, assuming that those all go forward in

[2:02:48] the hours that are being proposed, you'd be looking at one additional

[2:02:54] deputy being hired to cover not to cover those, but to provide enough support

[2:03:02] within the office to provide the hours that are being sought. Um the I would

[2:03:09] add that those hours and payment would my understanding wouldn't cover the cost

[2:03:15] of another deputy. So there isn't an out of pocket coming with that. But the um

[2:03:22] um the total hours the increase uh would take care of that cost. But if you

[2:03:30] choose to do that, um it's going to kick off civil service

[2:03:38] having to start a new list because well is the last one on this one. that

[2:03:44] » that means that um when the 280s are implemented to keep the workforce up to

[2:03:51] to be adequate to provide the coverage countywide that you're looking for. Um

[2:03:58] they need to be vetting more candidates >> and those potential 28 days will go into

[2:04:03] effect on January one. You'd have a little bit of time. So just to clarify

[2:04:08] the increase in will cover all the salary and most of the benefits. It does

[2:04:17] not include some of the other side things but Keelmer is providing a car

[2:04:23] because they had a retired police person. So they're are providing a car.

[2:04:28] So initial cost wouldn't be another patrol vehicle. you know, as you go

[2:04:34] through the cycle, five years down the line, it might cost some more for a

[2:04:38] patrol vehicle. Um, Dan has said that he would isn't seeking an increase in any

[2:04:44] of the training and equipment and radios and vehicles, lines to cover this right

[2:04:52] now, just this increase in revenue and increase in salary and benefits.

[2:04:57] » Well, maybe Dan can speak on it too, but he'll come next week. that the uh the

[2:05:04] cost given to Kell was a little reduced with being able to reuse their vehicle,

[2:05:11] » right? >> So, I mean, the county is buying it, but

[2:05:18] himself said that he would probably not be able to get another squad car fitted

[2:05:22] and up and running by the first of the year. So, was a win for Kelmer and it's

[2:05:27] a win for

[2:05:31] a reason why we can't capture 100% of the additional costs.

[2:05:36] » It's the negotiations between those three entities and Dan and they they

[2:05:42] were targeting a number that would provide the costs of deputy salary and

[2:05:47] benefits. And so that's where they ended up

[2:05:50] » and this next week's agenda, >> but it isn't covering the entire cost.

[2:05:55] You said >> there would be some of those other

[2:05:59] things that will >> eventually come through, but Dan thinks

[2:06:03] that he has enough money in his budget to cover all that. So, he isn't asking

[2:06:06] for any increases to cover that. >> The only increases he's going to ask for

[2:06:11] are going to be equivalent to the additional revenue. But again, this

[2:06:16] isn't actually what's on the table right now. This is for next week. Right. But

[2:06:20] but it does relate in the fact that they're going to need another deputy for

[2:06:24] January one and not have anybody left on the list.

[2:06:28] » The reason Well, we can talk about next week, but the reason it's not going to

[2:06:31] cover all of it is Dan is planning on using that deputy for a few hours of his

[2:06:36] own additional work. So, that kind of spills over into that. We can discuss

[2:06:41] that next week. I I'd like to move to approve the waiver

[2:06:46] on hiring a family member, but I'd also like to see if we could read that aloud

[2:06:50] so the public can hear what the the verbiage sounds like on the waiver.

[2:06:55] » I'll second. >> Would you like to do that or would you

[2:06:57] like

[2:07:00] » done two today?

[2:07:05] » All right. One I've never seen till just now.

[2:07:10] resolution waving employment of relatives policy approving appointment

[2:07:14] by the sheriff's son as a sheriff's deputy. Whereas the West County

[2:07:18] Sheriff's Office has an opening for deputy due to the res resignation of a

[2:07:23] current deputy. And whereas the Wish County Sheriff's Office has three

[2:07:27] persons on the civil service list for possible appointment as a deputy

[2:07:31] sheriff. And whereas two of the ind individuals on the civil service list

[2:07:37] have withdrawn their names from consideration. And whereas Will Marks, a

[2:07:42] certified peace officer currently employed with the Decor Police

[2:07:45] Department, is the remaining applicant of the civil service list. And whereas

[2:07:51] Will Marks is the son of West County Sheriff Dan Marks. And whereas the way

[2:07:56] she county sheriff desires to appoint will marks as a deputy sheriff to fill

[2:08:00] an upcoming vacancy. And whereas the appointment of a relative as a sheriff's

[2:08:05] deputy is prohibited by Iowa code 71.1 unless the appointment is approved by

[2:08:11] the board of supervisors. And whereas section 2.11 of the county

[2:08:18] employee handbook imposes restrictions on employment of relatives unless the

[2:08:23] restriction is waved by the board of supervisors for good cause. And whereas

[2:08:27] the board of supervisors for good cause desires to approve departments as a

[2:08:32] deputy sheriff pursuant to the requirements of Iowa code 71.1

[2:08:39] and 331.903 based on the information provided as set

[2:08:44] on the findings made below. Now therefore be it resolved by the

[2:08:49] Mishi County Board of Supervisors. One, the Board of Supervisors is aware of the

[2:08:55] following facts. There is one current opening for a sheriff's deputy. B. A

[2:09:00] second opening may arise near the first of the year in 2027.

[2:09:05] C. Wishik or excuse me. Sheriff's deputies are subject to review and

[2:09:10] approval through the civil service process as described in Iowa code

[2:09:14] chapter 341A. D. One eligible candidate candidate

[2:09:19] remains on the current civil service list.

[2:09:23] E. Will Marks will have apparent approximately two and a half years of

[2:09:27] experience as a peace officer when he starts with the sheriff's office. L

[2:09:32] through the civil service vetting process, the most qualified candidates

[2:09:35] for a sheriff's deputy position are selected. The search for the most

[2:09:39] qualified candidates is consistent with the provisions of section 2.11 of the

[2:09:44] county employee handbook which provides in part it is the

[2:09:49] county's policy to hire the best qualified person available for each

[2:09:54] position. Relatives of current employees are eligible for

[2:10:00] employment with the county subject to limitations of the state law governing

[2:10:05] the employment of relatives of public office and employees and the terms of

[2:10:10] this policy. G. The Wii County Sheriff's

[2:10:16] Wii County Sheriff's will maintain a policy to establish procedures for

[2:10:21] supervision of a relative of the sheriff employed at the sheriff's office,

[2:10:26] including having the employees work performance, discipline, evaluation,

[2:10:31] scheduling, promotion, or assignment under the sole supervision of the chief

[2:10:35] deputy. H the proposed appointee is a certified peace officer and the county

[2:10:40] will not be responsible for the cost of training an uncertified hider at the

[2:10:45] academy. Two, attached hereto and incorporated

[2:10:51] herein by reference is a policy concerning the employment of relatives

[2:10:56] that will govern the wines county sheriff when employing a relative as a

[2:11:00] deputy sheriff. The policy will not be amended unless the amendment is approved

[2:11:05] by both the Wy County Attorney and the Wish County Board of Supervisors. Three,

[2:11:12] pursuant to Iowa Code 71.1, the Wshi County Board of Supervisors have a duty

[2:11:18] to approve the bond of the sheriff and his deputies. And pursuant to that

[2:11:22] authority, it does approve the appointment of Will Marks as a sheriff's

[2:11:26] deputy despite this being related to the sheriff by the first degree

[2:11:33] consequenced

[2:11:39] for that one. Four, for the reasons stated at paragraph one above, the board

[2:11:44] of supervisors further suspend section 2.11 of the county employee handbook as

[2:11:50] it relates to this appointment. Five. Pursuant to Iowa code 331.903,

[2:11:56] the Wii County Board of Supervisors approves the appointment by the Wii

[2:12:01] County Sheriff of Will Marks as a deputy. Six. Will Marks will begin

[2:12:06] working for Wishy County on November 9th, 2026.

[2:12:10] Seven. The Wii County Sheriff shall file a certificate of appointment with the

[2:12:15] Wesi County Auditor passed and adopted this 14th day of September 20th 26.

[2:12:24] » I'd like to change my motion to include the full sentence, approval of waiver,

[2:12:30] and appointment of that sheriff all in one motion.

[2:12:35] » Same as second. That's what I actually have.

[2:12:38] » Okay. Okay. Just want to make sure. >> And do we need to

[2:12:41] » Yeah. So your motion is to adopt that resolution. Thank you.

[2:12:44] » Does both of those things. >> Thank you. Do we need to add in item G

[2:12:48] on this back page? The Winn Wet County Sheriff's Office will maintain.

[2:12:54] The office is missing. >> Does it matter?

[2:12:57] » You can write that in initial it. And then here's the policy that goes

[2:13:04] with it that you should

[2:13:12] Okay, we have a motion and a second on the tables that does the resolution.

[2:13:19] » Just real quick in discussion part of this um apologies to the city of Decor

[2:13:24] police department for training yet another

[2:13:27] deputy sheriff and can you know I'm support this and and have met Will Marks

[2:13:32] and can speak also for his profession. of an apology. Maybe we should just give

[2:13:36] a thank you >> and a thank you for training them and

[2:13:40] giving us another great employee. >> Okay. And we go with the roll call.

[2:13:45] » Hi Shirley. >> Hi.

[2:13:47] » Hi. >> Steve.

[2:13:48] » Hi. >> I also fast.

[2:13:52] » Thank you. >> Thanks.

[2:13:56] So this pertains to all any >> this is a one case this one case but it

[2:14:04] pertains to all any county offices. They cannot hire family members

[2:14:11] » unless we do this. We had a similar >> we had a similar situation

[2:14:17] six years ago or so during co that public health

[2:14:24] daughter but she similarly they had a policy of the board of health and then

[2:14:30] uh she was overseen by Nancy at the time.

[2:14:36] So this is like spot >> kind of. Yes.

[2:14:42] » It's spot policy. I guess

[2:14:54] just kidding. >> I do have another question for you. As

[2:14:58] long as you're here. Can you just school us again or tell us what exparte

[2:15:04] communication is because it's very confusing before public hearings when

[2:15:08] you've got people calling you from the parties. If you know that there is a an

[2:15:14] issue coming up before the board and you're getting phone calls from someone

[2:15:20] who's a participant in that particular issue,

[2:15:25] you one should tell them that this is something a conversation we have at the

[2:15:30] public hearing. And if you can't shut them off and you get an earful um at the

[2:15:37] public hearing you need to say that this is what happened and this is the

[2:15:40] information I was provided so that not just one of you has the information all

[2:15:46] of you have the same information all of you can use that information to make an

[2:15:51] informed decision. Um there's uh if you look back, I've sent out stuff from Iowa

[2:15:58] State, I think several times on exparte communications. Uh it's it doesn't go

[2:16:05] away. I get it. But, you know, be cognizant of it and bring it to

[2:16:10] everybody else's attention if you're going to have those types of

[2:16:14] conversations. >> Thank you.

[2:16:17] And if I may, in a similar vein, but not pertaining to

[2:16:23] any specific subject, I had a department head that asked me about

[2:16:28] something he was going to propose to the board and if he should just call each

[2:16:33] board member individually and kind of run it by them before he brought it to

[2:16:37] the board. And I said, "No, you should not do that because that's becomes a

[2:16:43] traveling meeting or whatever you they want to call it.

[2:16:46] by him talking to each of you ahead of time, you it's almost like you're having

[2:16:52] a meeting amongst all of you. So if you have a department or someone that wants

[2:16:57] to do it that way, that shouldn't am I saying that right, Andy?

[2:17:02] » For all of us, >> yeah, you should you should be be

[2:17:04] cognizant of that. That shouldn't be the way he way it's approached. So they they

[2:17:09] should bring it to you in in the meeting or if it's just information it wants to

[2:17:13] be distributed, send it to the group email so you all have the information

[2:17:19] before a meeting and then you can discuss it at the meeting.

[2:17:23] Kind of it's hard because you don't know who's on the other side of the phone

[2:17:27] line all the time once in a while call. I mean, I answered it,

[2:17:31] » right? But I didn't have >> I I think the other the caveat to that

[2:17:35] though is there are some of you assigned to certain tasks um you know whether

[2:17:40] it's landfill or recycling and whatever else you know for those department heads

[2:17:45] to come to the supervisors who is who are assigned to their area and say hey I

[2:17:51] see this as a benefit or this is something I'd like to suggest what do

[2:17:55] you think is >> oh yeah

[2:17:57] » at that point they can be told yeah bring it to the Right. And I think that

[2:18:02] that's the key is that if they're talking to just one of you, then it's

[2:18:06] not a traveling meeting. It's when they start when they hit three of you,

[2:18:11] they've now made it a meeting even though it you

[2:18:15] weren't all in the same room and on the same phone call

[2:18:18] » and and it does get cloudy and tricky and and you don't know who's on the

[2:18:22] other end when they're calling you. But I think it's a good reminder for us to

[2:18:25] we we cannot have this conversation, bring it up in the public hearing so we

[2:18:30] all can hear it at the same time.

[2:18:34] » Obviously your constituents is different than if there's a public hearing.

[2:18:38] » Yeah. >> Or in play.

[2:18:43] » Correct.

[2:18:47] with that second

[2:18:52] Germany. >> No, you're okay. I'll tell you it.

[2:18:56] » We did meet with um I just saw your contractor's truck out here and Chuck

[2:19:01] and I did meet with them down at uh community services building.

[2:19:05] » Thank you. >> We had a nice conversation. They're

[2:19:08] going to try to sketch something out and get some idea for what we're looking at.

[2:19:12] I think the way we've structured it u reduces the cost of mechanical

[2:19:17] substantially. Um, so we'll see what they come back with. But uh

[2:19:24] when they do put that T essentially I think we're talking about taking adding

[2:19:30] walls taking up to the ceiling have to light fixtures around but the um the

[2:19:37] fire extinguisher stuff lines the uh um duct work that type of

[2:19:45] thing minimal issues. So we're not, you know,

[2:19:50] bringing those down to a drop ceiling and all that other stuff. So hopefully

[2:19:54] it works out. So that they thought it was all doable.

[2:20:00] And they also felt they could sound proof it well enough that uh you know at

[2:20:06] least until people get in there and say it's not quite working then we can take

[2:20:11] the next step. But but for the initial start I think it looks promising,

[2:20:18] » right? In favor of ajournment I

[2:20:33] » next week. >> Oh gosh.

[2:20:38] » Thank >> Thank you.

[2:20:39] » Maybe I'll just be gone.

[2:20:44] Not not really a business question, but um

[2:20:49] just to mention and has his staff asked, does the board want to put on a

[2:20:58] retirement party or anything for Andy? And if so, we need to the staff is

[2:21:04] concerned because he's got several absences already planned. So he doesn't

[2:21:09] they don't want to leave it till like oh let's do it two weeks from now and find

[2:21:13] out he's not available. So, does do one of you want to maybe coordinate with Ki

[2:21:20] Iverson and his one of his staff members to try to figure out when's a good date

[2:21:25] and what you're going to do and that kind of thing or

[2:21:29] » you surely >> Dan, you're the chair.

[2:21:34] » Because I've asked about this for other retiring people and we haven't done

[2:21:38] anything. Well,

[2:21:41] » I think it's appropriate and I think it's appropriate for all long-term

[2:21:44] employees who are retiring to have something

[2:21:48] » and I think the staff there and his office are planning to do something

[2:21:52] whether >> you do it or not, but I think they'd

[2:21:55] like to see you and the board involved. >> So, it's different. He's elected. So,

[2:22:01] » and and he's been here for over 30 years. So, that's a big difference if

[2:22:05] someone's here for one term or something. It's still different.

[2:22:12] Dan seems to be Are you okay with doing it if you

[2:22:16] » What What's the reasoning for appointing?

[2:22:18] » Why not? >> Maybe he's hoping that you're going to

[2:22:23] bring cheesecake.

[2:22:31] All right, I'll do it. >> Thank you, Dan.

[2:22:37] Dr.

[2:22:40] » Okay, Fatima, there's only one left. >> Thank you, Fatima.

[2:22:44] » I just wanted to make sure I had Ry's name correctly. Nemo, is that right? is

[2:22:49] the owner of

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