[0:02] is firing on all cylinders

[0:04] >> to run that.

[0:08] >> Oh, yep. So, um, did you everybody see

[0:11] the email that Ben sent to us?

[0:15] >> Yep.

[0:16] >> Yes.

[0:17] >> Okay.

[0:18] >> Saw you read.

[0:19] >> So, Oh, yep. He's sharing.

[0:20] >> I haven't been able to

[0:22] >> I didn't really get a chance to look it

[0:24] over, so I apologize.

[0:28] >> That's okay.

[0:30] let me

[0:32] just so you guys know, I won't be able

[0:33] to see your faces here because I'm going

[0:36] to try and get rid of this. Um, okay.

[0:39] So, on this first tab that I sent you,

[0:41] it's basically our standard uh budget.

[0:44] And I know it's probably

[0:47] uh it's so delicate here. Can you guys

[0:49] see that to a degree?

[0:51] >> Yeah.

[0:53] >> Let me see if I can make it go a little

[0:55] bit bigger.

[0:59] Okay. So, this is our standard budget

[1:01] and what I've done is I've gone through

[1:03] here to start us on our discussion today

[1:05] and I have basically identified which

[1:08] items um I'm going to call them fixed

[1:12] costs. Um for the sake of our

[1:13] discussion, um I know that fixed cost

[1:16] has an accounting definition, but really

[1:19] what it is in for the sake of our

[1:21] discussion is is these are items that

[1:24] the city is basically required to pay.

[1:27] um uh it's it's items that if we don't

[1:30] pay them there is a penalty, there is a

[1:32] problem. Um and so I've eliminated them

[1:34] from our discussion. Now that does not

[1:37] mean we cannot discuss them, I'm more

[1:39] than happy to discuss them if you have

[1:41] any questions or desires, but I've also

[1:44] gone through here and anything I have

[1:45] established as what I consider variable

[1:48] cost or something that the council can

[1:51] decide whether they want to continue

[1:53] with or not. Um even some words, you

[1:56] know, like council travel, uh mayor and

[1:59] council expenses, uh council

[2:02] discretionary fund. Anything that

[2:04] potentially could be tossed out or not

[2:07] put as a priority by the council, I have

[2:10] eliminated from this sheet. Um which

[2:13] brings us to our my second sheet. So,

[2:16] what we're going to do here is go

[2:18] through and each of our staff members

[2:20] are going to go through and kind of go

[2:21] through each item and share what they

[2:24] feel um are the items that could be

[2:27] beneficial to the to the city. Um just

[2:30] so you guys have a full understanding of

[2:33] how I asked them to create these lists,

[2:37] these items are a massive wish list. um

[2:42] any item that they can even think of

[2:44] that may be a benefit to the city. Um

[2:48] even if it's a fringe benefit, I wanted

[2:50] them to put on this list mostly so that

[2:52] each of you as a member of the council

[2:54] who is not attending staff meeting or in

[2:56] the building um would be able to

[2:59] understand what potential needs are. Uh

[3:02] there is a $200,000ish

[3:06] dollar discrepancy of wish wishes over

[3:10] budget. So in this form here, you'll see

[3:13] this top number $2.1 million. As we go

[3:18] through here, so for example, if you

[3:20] guys decide you want to input or add the

[3:24] council travel to the agenda, if I put

[3:27] an X here, this number will drop by that

[3:30] 7,000. Okay? So you guys will have a

[3:33] very real time feel as to what the

[3:37] current uh outstanding amount of money

[3:40] is um for the budget. So I think now um

[3:45] I'll turn it back over to you Janet as

[3:47] to how you want to proceed, who you want

[3:49] to have start as a staff, and we'll go

[3:51] to that point.

[3:53] >> Can I ask a kind of a qualifying

[3:55] question here? Um on on your other

[3:58] sheet, the fixed cost ledger that you

[4:01] sent out, um

[4:03] >> the estimated revenues,

[4:07] uh where where did those come from? How

[4:09] confident are you in those?

[4:12] >> Um for Chris and I

[4:15] >> Chris and I created this um they are

[4:17] conservative numbers um on projected

[4:22] from historical data.

[4:29] It's okay.

[4:30] >> Hey,

[4:33] do you know how accurate we've been in

[4:35] years past on that? I mean, so so far

[4:38] this year, revenue is is looking

[4:40] stronger than anticipated. Has that been

[4:42] the trend?

[4:43] >> Uh yes. So you'll actually see here

[4:46] fiscal year 2023, right? 800,000. This

[4:50] is just for the property tax element. um

[4:52] you know whereas March 2026 and

[4:55] projected 2027 is 1.12 1.012

[5:02] million. So we've had home values

[5:05] increase. There's also been a few

[5:06] property tax increases in these numbers

[5:09] but typically Chris's numbers when he

[5:12] started has come in conservatively

[5:15] um so that we don't have a shortfall.

[5:18] Remember also we will be going through

[5:20] and opening the budget far more

[5:22] routinely and adjusting this so that our

[5:25] balance our budget's always balanced.

[5:28] >> In addition, mayor um maybe the for for

[5:31] the new council members um who might not

[5:34] know is that even though we assume that

[5:37] everyone will pay their property tax,

[5:39] not everyone does. And so the budget can

[5:41] fluctuate based on who actually pays and who doesn't. And so being

[5:46] conservative and then if it if they

[5:49] happen to suddenly pay then we have a

[5:51] little bit more but uh

[5:53] >> so you'll yeah so right here 3120 is

[5:57] past you know year property taxes that

[6:01] are then paid out. So this is the

[6:05] estimated conservative estimate to

[6:07] revenue for 2027 if everybody pays their

[6:10] property taxes minus say 20% or 10% I

[6:14] don't know that exact number um but then

[6:16] it also gets backfilled from past uh

[6:19] property taxes where people are getting

[6:21] caught up

[6:24] so it kind of fills that gap.

[6:26] >> So I think um we should go to the three

[6:30] yellow items. Did you did you already

[6:33] check all of those so that we know what

[6:35] we the variables the three highlighted

[6:38] ones?

[6:39] >> I have not. Uh I was thinking we could

[6:41] have each uh staff member present their wish list

[6:47] >> and then when we start checking things

[6:49] off, we'll we'll start that process with

[6:51] those yellow items.

[6:53] >> Okay. So, why don't you go first? You're

[6:55] at the top there.

[6:56] >> Perfect. Okay. Nothing too crazy here

[6:59] from from my request. um council travel.

[7:03] Uh this is predominantly our um

[7:08] our Utah League of Cities and Towns um

[7:11] training that we go to in St. George

[7:13] each year. This covers uh hotels and the

[7:16] fees basically. And there's a little bit

[7:19] else built in here uh you know a

[7:21] thousand or so for any ancillary

[7:23] trainings that may pop up.

[7:26] Um sometimes we'll send Carrie to

[7:28] something. Sometimes we'll send, you

[7:30] know, others depending on their

[7:31] assignments to different uh venues or

[7:34] different conferences. Um,

[7:37] >> mayor, can we mayor, can we just um

[7:40] reiterate that when it says council

[7:42] travel, we're not actually being paid

[7:44] for any travel. We pay our own travel

[7:46] expenses. It's just for the conference

[7:49] registrations, the hotels.

[7:51] >> We even pay for our own meals except for

[7:53] the sandwich they give us.

[7:54] >> Yeah, we pay for our own meals. to pay

[7:56] for our own travel, but that's the cost

[7:58] to go to the conference trainings and um

[8:01] so our registration and our hotel. So I

[8:03] just wanted to make that clear so that

[8:05] people would understand we're not being

[8:08] paid anytime for travel.

[8:10] >> That is correct.

[8:12] um mayor expenses. Um this $500

[8:16] uh is used predominantly,

[8:21] you know, this year for instance, uh

[8:23] when we go down to because I want to

[8:24] make this put this on the record, when

[8:26] we go down to uh the conference this

[8:30] year, um I will be using part of this

[8:32] 500 for 1 mil uh for the council um

[8:37] which is a different we haven't done

[8:39] this in the past. So, this will be a new thing. Um, for the amount we're

[8:46] paid each year to do our jobs as council

[8:50] and the number of hours that we're

[8:51] sacrificing, I feel it is well within um

[8:55] our budget to be able to take care of

[8:57] one meal once a year or so. Um also this

[9:01] provides a little bit of ancillary if

[9:03] for instance I am doing any um you know

[9:07] taking a a senate representative or the

[9:12] senators or cong congressman to lunch um

[9:16] looking for grants or things like that.

[9:18] That's an option as well there. Um

[9:21] council expenses is a very similar

[9:23] thing. This is just calculated from $100

[9:26] per member. Um, we use this um, oftent

[9:29] times in somewhat of an interchange with

[9:31] the discretionary, but we use this for

[9:34] if we have uh, a member of staff, family

[9:37] member or member of staff or somebody

[9:41] pass away or another fellow city member

[9:44] that passes away that we have worked

[9:46] closely with, we'll use some of these

[9:48] funds for sending, you know, flowers to

[9:50] the funeral. um we could use these funds

[9:54] um in any other way, hence the

[9:56] discretionary uh that you guys would see

[9:58] fit that would bring value to the

[10:00] residents of our city. So that would be

[10:03] my four items there.

[10:06] >> Okay, great. Any questions?

[10:09] >> Um the council travel went up

[10:11] considerably over the past years.

[10:15] Um I think they were around 3,800

[10:19] roughly. just count. I think it's just

[10:21] mostly because registration has gone up

[10:23] and gas prices have gone up.

[10:27] >> Well, we pay our own gas.

[10:28] >> Anyone who's been in Yeah.

[10:29] >> Say we don't pay

[10:29] >> we don't pay our gas, but the hotels

[10:31] have gone up and the registration has

[10:33] gone up.

[10:36] >> Yeah. Jody, could you speak to that

[10:38] >> and more people attend?

[10:41] Not the whole the whole council didn't

[10:42] always go before

[10:44] >> and some years already a couple go.

[10:47] So this year, uh, the conference fees

[10:51] are $400 per council member who goes and

[10:55] then the hotels are roughly 280 for two

[10:58] nights. Um, so that's going to right

[11:01] there take you to, you know, by six of

[11:04] you, you're going to be spending about

[11:06] 3500. That's your whole budget had we

[11:09] gone through last year. Now, that

[11:10] doesn't include the yearly conference

[11:12] that's up in Salt Lake. You have a

[11:14] midyear conference for Utah leagues of

[11:17] city towns and then you have an annual

[11:19] conference. Each of them focus on

[11:21] something different.

[11:23] The midyear is good because you get done

[11:25] with the legislation session and they

[11:27] are going to give you all the updates of

[11:29] what happened. What do we have to comply

[11:30] with? When do we have to comply with it?

[11:34] And you know kind of give us the tools

[11:36] that we need to be able to um do our

[11:39] jobs. And then that annual one up in

[11:43] Salt Lake will give you more prior to

[11:46] the legislative session and what bills

[11:48] are coming up, which ones are going to

[11:50] be important for your community to

[11:51] watch. Um maybe even changes amid uh

[11:56] legislation changes. We had a few of

[11:58] those this past year. So those are ones

[12:02] that are are kind of important. Then we

[12:04] also have um occasionally land use

[12:07] trainings that are important to go to.

[12:10] Um some of those might also be used uh

[12:14] for some of the fees for Utah Valley

[12:17] Homebuilders Association or Utah the

[12:20] state homebuilders association and any

[12:22] of those other meetings that you may

[12:24] need to go to or register to go to

[12:26] events.

[12:26] >> Okay.

[12:27] >> For those.

[12:27] >> Thank you.

[12:29] I think that's also, you know, we also

[12:32] look at you guys are covering your your

[12:35] travel and all your food. We have talked

[12:37] at one point to maybe cover um gas going

[12:43] down or one way. Um so there has been

[12:46] some discussion about that. That's

[12:48] totally up to you guys what you want to

[12:49] decide on, but it's a a number that uh is low in

[12:57] comparison to other cities.

[12:59] >> Very low.

[13:00] >> Um but it's something that I think is

[13:03] doable and it's being fair.

[13:07] >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I I was just

[13:09] curious.

[13:09] >> Do you want to just stay here and do

[13:11] yours?

[13:11] >> I just stay here.

[13:12] >> Okay.

[13:14] um administration and travel and

[13:16] conferences number one. I believe last

[13:18] year was 3500 and I believe the request

[13:21] is to raise it by a thousand. Hattie is

[13:24] t or I'm sorry I'm still years ago.

[13:26] Lori's taking on some additional duties

[13:29] and there are some uh financial

[13:32] conferences that both her and I should

[13:34] be going to um that are being held. Some

[13:37] of those registrations are around 400

[13:39] again. And so to send us to one of

[13:42] those, it's going to take that extra

[13:44] thousand. That doesn't include any

[13:46] mileage again or anything like that. Um

[13:49] and then again, it's the yearly uh Utah

[13:52] leagues of cities and towns. While you

[13:54] guys attend your meetings, I have

[13:55] recorders training that I attend. And if

[13:59] I go to um SU

[14:03] uh that's not is this

[14:05] >> Well, it depends. It it goes around the

[14:07] clerk's association

[14:08] >> the clerk's association oneweek um

[14:11] meeting I had didn't go this year

[14:13] because of some other things that are

[14:14] going on in the city but the

[14:15] registration for that and it's a weekl

[14:17] long commitment if we go same with the

[14:19] treasur there is a week long one too um

[14:23] >> and Lori is joining us this year for the

[14:25] Utah leagues of cities and towns

[14:28] >> yeah

[14:30] um and she'll go to some of those

[14:31] classes that you know hopefully we can

[14:33] divide and conquer and then bring back

[14:35] all the information and share it. Uh,

[14:38] administration books, subscriptions, and

[14:40] memberships. So, this one includes all

[14:43] of our um, registration fees. Utah

[14:46] leagues, the city of towns, our Adobe

[14:49] subscriptions, ESRI,

[14:52] which is one we use. Ted, can you help

[14:55] me on that one? ESRI,

[14:57] that's GIS, uh, mapping for mapping

[15:01] stuff.

[15:02] >> Yeah. So that's all of our

[15:04] infrastructure mapping for our water

[15:06] lines, everything like that, sewer

[15:08] lines. Um, we also have the new one,

[15:11] Yapify. It does not cost us anything

[15:14] this year, but in future years that will

[15:17] have a little bit of a match to have to

[15:24] » just

[15:25] >> So that one's a little bit of increase,

[15:26] but I I don't think it's much. um

[15:30] administration office supplies and

[15:32] expenses. This covers

[15:34] two computer swap outs each year. Um we

[15:39] were only doing one and we were doing

[15:41] them on a 3 to 5year basis. This would

[15:45] allow us to do two every year. Um we've

[15:50] got eight in the city. So we'd like to

[15:52] get those on a rotation and be able to

[15:55] keep those up. It also gives us our

[15:56] printer lease. Um,

[16:00] and any of the supplies we used for the

[16:02] building as well as any we use in the

[16:05] office. Uh, and I think that was just a

[16:08] 3% increase from this past year.

[16:13] Um, repairs and maintenance to the city

[16:15] facilities. This one I'm proposing be

[16:19] um, 33,000 and that is an increase of

[16:22] 13,000 over this past year. Um that big

[16:26] increase is to take care of digitizing

[16:29] our records.

[16:32] Um the estimate that I got from UCI,

[16:36] which is the prison that does these for

[16:38] us, was 27,000

[16:41] just to take care of our records. We

[16:44] can't realistically do them all in one

[16:46] year. I know that's a lot of money to

[16:47] ask for. So I'm hoping to do it over two

[16:51] years. I can always do it over three if

[16:53] you guys feel it's a little bit much,

[16:55] but I would like to get started with it.

[16:58] This also takes care of um we've got one

[17:02] air conditioner. We have three air

[17:03] conditioners in the building. Two of

[17:05] them we replaced within the last 18

[17:08] months. One we got by on a repair. We

[17:12] know that at some point it is going to

[17:14] have to be replaced.

[17:17] So, um, that also probably will go into

[17:20] repairs in the maintenance facilities as

[17:23] well as any crack seal that we need to

[17:25] do on the parking lot, filling of

[17:28] cracks. Um,

[17:30] >> possibly a um

[17:34] Oh. Um, seal on it.

[17:36] >> Yeah, seal coat and things like that.

[17:39] So,

[17:41] >> Jody, does this also include the ADU

[17:43] access to the building to the other side

[17:46] of the building?

[17:47] No, it does not.

[17:50] >> Okay.

[17:52] >> I have had I have had several residents

[17:54] talk to me about that. We don't have an

[17:56] ADA access to come to council meeting

[17:58] and uh attend in the big room. We have

[18:01] one to the main office, but it's closed

[18:03] during the evenings or when there's

[18:05] special events or if somebody rents it

[18:07] out. And so I did bring that up to the

[18:09] mayor and to see if we could put it in

[18:11] the budget.

[18:12] >> And I think we can fit it in somewhere.

[18:14] I you know we've got some uh

[18:19] » and Diana says there might be a grant

[18:21] that'll work. So that might be something

[18:23] we can look into as well.

[18:24] >> We need Diana on the grant committee. I

[18:26] can

[18:27] >> um administration computer software

[18:29] support. This is our Pola system which

[18:32] is our utility billing system. It also

[18:36] is the one that helps us um do all of

[18:38] our financials and it also interfaces

[18:42] with our

[18:44] um water uh read taking our water meter

[18:47] readings.

[18:48] >> Do we do we still like Polaris because

[18:51] I've talked to a few cities and they

[18:52] said that's kind of like an old program

[18:54] and and they all have updated to other

[18:57] services. Is this the one that we still

[18:59] feel is best for us?

[19:01] >> I have not looked at that. I know a

[19:04] couple years ago uh down at the Utah

[19:06] leagues of cities of towns I think about

[19:08] three years ago there was some

[19:10] discussion about possibly going to

[19:12] Cassell

[19:14] >> but I I have not looked into that.

[19:17] >> Okay.

[19:18] >> Um that might be something that we can

[19:20] ask Lori uh to look into a little bit

[19:22] more.

[19:23] >> Okay.

[19:25] Um

[19:27] then the mayor put all these things

[19:29] under admin miscellaneous expenditures

[19:32] and so we'll kind of um go through them.

[19:36] >> Just cruise through them.

[19:37] >> Just peruse through them really fast. Um

[19:40] rekeying the building. It's been a while

[19:42] since we've rekeyed the building.

[19:44] There's a lot of keys floating out

[19:45] there. Um we do not want someone to have

[19:49] a key that probably shouldn't have the

[19:50] key. Uh, we've got it's $25 a door, it's

[19:55] $8 a key. So, the math comes out to

[19:57] about $925.

[20:00] At some point, we need to put funds away

[20:02] or at least keep in the back of our mind

[20:04] we'll need to repaint the inside of the

[20:05] city center. We can probably have our

[20:07] employee do it. Um, it might take a

[20:10] little bit longer, but we still then

[20:12] would be paying wages. So, that's a

[20:15] rough estimate based upon the square

[20:16] footage of the city building.

[20:19] Uh, we made some improvements outside

[20:21] this past year to the landscaping. There

[20:24] are some additional improvements that

[20:26] could be done outside, including the

[20:29] bark chips that fly away all the time

[20:31] during a storm that are full of um we

[20:35] got those from the uh transfer station

[20:38] at one time. So, they've got some bottle

[20:40] caps, different kinds of things in it.

[20:42] It's not really bark chips, but um

[20:45] again, that's prioritizing if that's

[20:47] something you want to do. Same goes with

[20:49] the recarpeting of the city center. This

[20:51] carpet is the original carpet. Um it's

[20:55] held up really well. There are some

[20:57] areas though where it's starting to

[20:58] pull, buckle. We've had it stretched

[21:00] twice and we were told that that was

[21:03] kind of the last time we could get it

[21:05] stretched. So there may be areas we do

[21:09] at one time and then kind of uh do a

[21:13] little at a time but that's something to

[21:14] keep in the back of your mind.

[21:16] Digitizing records I already focused on

[21:18] and the importance of that we've

[21:20] discussed

[21:21] >> Jody.

[21:22] >> Yes.

[21:22] >> Um is that number then up here in this

[21:26] 27 or 33,000? Do I have a duplicate here

[21:29] on this?

[21:30] >> Yes.

[21:32] >> So half of that would be what? 13.

[21:38] Okay. So,

[21:40] >> I'm going to put 20,000 then here.

[21:43] >> Okay.

[21:43] >> Right.

[21:45] >> Um the mayor's talked about our front

[21:47] mat and it missing um an A. It's

[21:51] starting to also miss an L that's coming

[21:54] up. I've used some super glue and

[21:56] Gorilla Glue, but it the L's starting to

[21:58] come up.

[22:00] Uh we have a fridge in the kitchen. That

[22:04] fridge only knows one setting and that's

[22:07] to freeze everything. Um Ted tried to

[22:11] have some salad I guess on Monday.

[22:13] >> Yeah. And

[22:14] >> started out as iced.

[22:15] >> Didn't we talk about the replacing the

[22:17] retaining wall?

[22:18] >> Iceberg lettuce. So

[22:19] >> we skipped over that. Okay.

[22:21] >> It's not been on there yet.

[22:24] >> You just went to fridge.

[22:25] >> Sorry, I didn't. You did. You skipped

[22:27] something. So that's why I just

[22:28] >> skipped something. Sorry. But what the

[22:30] fridge is one I guess because it's such

[22:32] a big number. I really didn't want to

[22:34] talk about it. Um,

[22:37] we've been told that the retaining wall

[22:40] on the side of the building here um may

[22:44] be failing. I'm

[22:45] >> That's was a few years ago.

[22:47] >> That was a few years ago. We uh probably

[22:51] would want to get a a geo tech engineer

[22:56] >> geotech and structural probably geotech

[22:58] to start with to look at

[22:59] >> to look at it and see if that's the

[23:01] case. The bid we got a couple years ago

[23:03] to replace it was 80,000.

[23:06] So that may be something to put on your

[23:10] um radar as well.

[23:11] >> Is that a safety?

[23:12] >> It is

[23:13] >> element. So if it is failing,

[23:15] >> it's it's it's a big number, but it's listed here as a four or five

[23:18] in priority. Should it be considered a

[23:21] higher priority if it is a safety issue?

[23:23] >> If we find out from the geotech and the

[23:25] structural engineer that it's

[23:27] something's

[23:27] >> it might move up.

[23:29] >> It may need to move up. Should we put a

[23:31] sign on there so that it's a notice that

[23:35] >> don't climb on

[23:36] >> rocks?

[23:37] >> We have Well, we have kids who come and

[23:39] play. I see them riding their bikes or

[23:41] their skateboards or whatever and then

[23:44] we know in past years kids have climbed

[23:46] down those to get to their friends.

[23:48] >> And I just wonder if if that's an issue

[23:51] if we need to. We haven't seen a lot of

[23:55] that recently.

[23:56] >> Okay. Um,

[23:59] but maybe that has to do with the

[24:01] demographics in the area as well. Many

[24:04] kids,

[24:04] >> just the Hillyard kids who live around

[24:06] here.

[24:06] >> Yeah. And I figure, you know,

[24:08] >> they're expendable. Carry on.

[24:10] >> Yeah.

[24:11] >> He's got spares.

[24:12] >> What would What would a geote I guess

[24:14] you don't know off the top of your head,

[24:15] what would it cost for a geotech

[24:16] engineer to come out and look at it?

[24:19] >> One right now to see if he'll come look

[24:20] at it with me. I think the initial

[24:22] visit, he'll come and do it and just

[24:23] look at it with me.

[24:24] >> Okay. If it requires some analysis, it

[24:26] kind of depends on what SDS, but

[24:28] probably talking in the few,000ish

[24:31] dollar range.

[24:31] >> Okay.

[24:32] >> Do a little study on it or 3500, but

[24:34] >> okay.

[24:35] >> But I'm going to text one right now. See

[24:37] if you'll look at it.

[24:38] >> Glad you have friends.

[24:40] >> Um, this HVAC repairs and replacement. I

[24:44] did talk about the air conditioning, but

[24:46] I didn't talk about the heater. We've

[24:48] got some damper problems going on. Um,

[24:52] in order for us not to run the air

[24:54] conditioner in the winter, I have to

[24:55] physically go outside and shut off the

[24:57] air conditioners.

[24:59] Um, because the dampers, I think there's

[25:02] a problem with them calling for heat

[25:03] when they're supposed to be calling for

[25:04] cool and cool when they're calling for

[25:06] heat.

[25:08] That 8,200 is a rough estimate. Um, it

[25:13] might also go towards um repairs on the

[25:15] boiler system. Keep in mind that all

[25:17] these systems are from 2009

[25:22] when we started first constructing the

[25:24] building. So, we are getting to that age

[25:26] when we're going to have to probably

[25:27] start making some repairs.

[25:30] >> Time for the remodel.

[25:32] >> Yeah. Well, I wouldn't say a remodel,

[25:34] but at least um some annual maintenance

[25:38] is what we're looking at.

[25:40] Uh, I was asked some time ago to get a

[25:44] quote for putting an audio system in the

[25:47] large multi-purpose room for when we

[25:49] have town hall meetings.

[25:52] >> Um, we don't like our duct tape.

[25:54] >> Uh, I have gotten criticism from people

[25:57] about our sound system when we do uh

[26:01] those meetings and our um cameras.

[26:06] So, if the council chooses to want to

[26:09] put a audio system in that large room

[26:12] and the bid I got was for $36,65.

[26:17] » Yeah, I think it's for that. And we also

[26:19] rent that room out to people and that

[26:22] for their own things, right?

[26:23] >> Oh, with that we would not that system

[26:26] would not be available for them.

[26:27] >> Oh, okay. So, someone who's going to

[26:28] have their own event, they couldn't use

[26:30] the sound system. This is more of the

[26:33] audio system that would allow us to

[26:35] broadcast our meetings and a few other

[26:38] things.

[26:38] >> It'd be like a secure Yeah.

[26:41] >> So that's

[26:42] >> a lot of money for speakers. Yeah.

[26:45] >> It's a lot of money for having a tap on

[26:47] meeting.

[26:49] >> I mean, if somebody did want to have

[26:50] their own meeting and use it, could we

[26:52] just charge them extra to use a sound

[26:55] system?

[26:56] >> That would help pay for it.

[26:58] >> Yeah. 36,000

[27:00] >> each time.

[27:04] » I don't know. I just think that we could

[27:05] consider it because I think it out more

[27:08] if if people would be able to have a

[27:10] multi-purpose room.

[27:11] >> It's not that kind of sound system

[27:12] though.

[27:13] >> Yeah. Not that kind of system at all.

[27:15] This is just to hook up with creating a

[27:16] Zoom connection or the team's equivalent

[27:20] in that room.

[27:22] >> Oh, live stream.

[27:22] >> What did this thing cost us?

[27:24] >> Uh, this thing was $8,000.

[27:26] >> Okay. Just the speaker or the mic. The

[27:29] mic set, right?

[27:30] >> The speakers. Yeah. And the mic set.

[27:33] >> The cameras were here previous,

[27:34] >> right?

[27:36] >> Those cost us a lot.

[27:37] >> Cost us a lot. Yeah.

[27:40] >> Cost a lot of frustration.

[27:41] >> In more ways than one.

[27:43] >> They did. Um there has been discussion

[27:46] of uh upgrading our audio system in the

[27:50] council room to go from Zoom to Teams.

[27:55] Um, the reason for Teams over Zoom is

[27:59] we're already paying for a Microsoft sub

[28:02] subscription, which um then would give

[28:05] us our Teams for free. Our Zoom runs us

[28:08] about $1,000 a year. So, if we upgrade

[28:11] our system in the council room and go to

[28:13] Teams, it's one year of our Zoom and

[28:16] then it's paid for.

[28:17] >> The hard part is a lot of residents

[28:19] don't have access to Teams and

[28:21] >> you don't have to have access. It can

[28:23] all be

[28:24] >> it's it's all free. It's 100% free.

[28:28] >> Not all have a Zoom subscription either.

[28:31] And so they can get on and so I think uh

[28:34] Council Member Rhoden can take care of

[28:35] that for us.

[28:36] >> I can definitely

[28:37] >> Okay. So if you choose to approve that,

[28:40] that's what that was.

[28:41] >> Okay.

[28:42] >> Um a number of the uh city

[28:46] >> uh Sorry, Ben, are you running the show

[28:48] here on the screen?

[28:50] >> Yes. Yes,

[28:50] >> you change that from audio system in in

[28:53] council room to

[28:55] >> because it's not audio, it's it's

[28:56] meetings. Change it like meeting system

[28:58] or just put a highlight there. Zoom

[29:01] versus teams

[29:04] >> meeting audio video system in council

[29:06] room. Zoom versus teams just just so I

[29:09] can remember that.

[29:11] >> Yeah, I see.

[29:11] >> Thank you.

[29:12] >> I have to do

[29:13] >> Yep. 100 times. Um, next one is many of

[29:17] our neighboring cities are going to um

[29:22] >> bulletproof glass

[29:24] wrong there.

[29:26] >> That'd be our mayor.

[29:27] >> Oh, it is on there. It wasn't on mine.

[29:28] It's

[29:29] >> He fixed it. He He fixed it.

[29:31] >> Yeah, it was built, but it's bullet. Um,

[29:36] the threats to city buildings are going

[29:38] up. Um,

[29:39] >> and city personnel.

[29:40] >> City personnel.

[29:42] Uh

[29:44] you again that's up for you guys to

[29:47] decide. This would be um the entry

[29:50] doorway would going from the hallway to

[29:55] the offices would be a bulletproof one.

[29:58] Uh, this bid also includes doing the

[30:01] wall um that is in the entryway that

[30:04] goes into my office as well as the um

[30:08] glass that goes from the office area

[30:12] into the waiting area. And then I

[30:14] believe it's also the windows. Um, what

[30:18] about your windows?

[30:20] >> Line Lor's and I think Ted's window, not

[30:24] the mayor's. Yeah, the parking lot

[30:26] facing windows.

[30:29] >> All you have to do is have a

[30:31] >> Yeah. So, that is a bid. Again, that's

[30:34] >> there's no

[30:35] >> We're not worried.

[30:36] >> The mayor The mayor is expendable. Carry

[30:39] on.

[30:40] >> And some days my husband thinks I am

[30:41] too. So, you know,

[30:46] » I heard that. Uh we right now we're using a piano

[30:53] bench to hold our audio equipment that's

[30:56] behind the wall where the TV is at some

[30:58] point. I guess we want to sell said

[31:01] piano and said piano bench with it, but

[31:04] it's really I mean it's a hokey system

[31:06] right now. We need to put something in

[31:08] there to hold on to that audio

[31:09] equipment. Um some kind of shelf and

[31:12] things like that.

[31:14] >> 500 may be a little bit much if our city

[31:16] employee can put it up for us. our

[31:18] public works guy.

[31:18] >> You already say behind this wall.

[31:20] >> Yes.

[31:20] >> Okay.

[31:21] >> Uh so we're looking at a rack system

[31:23] kind of to

[31:24] >> Okay.

[31:24] >> Hold the uh system on.

[31:26] >> Okay.

[31:28] >> Um

[31:29] here comes one uh that I think is

[31:32] necessary for us to do and that's to

[31:34] replace the locking mechanism for our

[31:36] front door.

[31:36] >> Yes.

[31:37] >> Um our door right now people are having

[31:41] a difficult time opening it. Um, you

[31:44] have to pull hard, you have to push down

[31:46] hard. That lock needs to probably be

[31:49] >> I think some of our older residents

[31:50] probably can't get that open. Um, often

[31:53] times Amazon, anyone who's doing

[31:55] deliveries, anyone who doesn't know any

[31:58] better to push down, will come and leave

[32:00] and think we're not here, even though

[32:02] there might be six or seven cars in the

[32:04] parking lot. And then they'll call and

[32:06] say, "Why aren't you here?" And I'll

[32:08] say, "We are here." And, "Well, we can't

[32:10] get in the building." And it's just a

[32:11] matter of that locking mechanism on that

[32:14] front door.

[32:14] >> And you do have that little piece of

[32:16] paper on the front.

[32:17] >> I do.

[32:19] >> Reading is hard sometimes. Yeah. It's

[32:21] just a little bit difficult.

[32:22] >> Your report is just making us feel me

[32:24] feel like we're really ghetto here. But

[32:27] um it's okay. We've got

[32:30] we aren't. Um

[32:33] >> city center building signage. We've had

[32:35] some comments from a number of people

[32:37] including the council about the signs

[32:39] that are on Woodland Hills Drive, the

[32:41] old signs that say Woodland Hills City

[32:43] Center over here. So,

[32:44] >> the one looks like it's been set on

[32:45] fire. You can't even read it anymore. It

[32:47] it's like all brown and

[32:49] >> so scout projects.

[32:51] >> Yeah, some of those um repairs to the

[32:55] outside of the city center. We've got

[32:57] some windows that are leaking. We've got

[33:00] uh some siding that's come undone and

[33:03] then needs to be replaced. And the mayor

[33:05] can probably expand on that because he

[33:08] flew a drone overhead and took some

[33:11] pictures.

[33:13] Mayor.

[33:14] >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, actually right there

[33:16] to the west of you guys, that wall right

[33:19] there is the same building material that

[33:22] actually Steve built his home with. So,

[33:24] it's a foam insulated foundation wall.

[33:28] Um, and where it meets the rafters, it

[33:31] insets about an inch and a half. And

[33:34] that inset has created a ledge by which

[33:37] water sits as it sheets off of the

[33:39] siding. And it is pulled and is starting

[33:42] to fall through uh and flooding in those

[33:45] window sills. So, if you guys look right

[33:47] there behind um uh well, nobody's

[33:50] sitting there from the last time I

[33:51] looked over there, but at that window

[33:53] right there where Jod's pointing, all of

[33:56] the window seal paint is bubbling. Um

[34:00] so, we do need to do something or we're

[34:02] going to have a much larger problem than

[34:05] $5,000.

[34:11] » There is some things there.

[34:14] um repairs to the inside of the city

[34:16] center. Those are going to include

[34:17] things like um we've got some railing on

[34:20] some garage doors that downstairs that

[34:23] um need to be either replaced or redone.

[34:26] We've got some um garage door openers

[34:30] that are probably on their last leg and

[34:31] probably need to be replaced.

[34:34] So,

[34:36] that's kind of an estimate of some of

[34:37] those repairs.

[34:39] So when we say city center, we're

[34:41] talking about the entire building, the

[34:42] fire department park as well as

[34:44] >> upstairs and downstairs.

[34:45] >> Okay. Just to make sure that

[34:47] >> I talked with Kobe and tried to get some

[34:49] of the things that he has seen around

[34:50] the building that could need repairs and

[34:53] so those are included in this.

[34:55] >> Okay.

[34:56] >> Um we've talked about a surge protector

[34:59] for the city center. Um that would

[35:02] protect all of our equipment in the city

[35:05] center from an outage. Sometimes you get

[35:08] when you get a surge in the line, you

[35:11] your uh TVs, computers, things like that all of a sudden will be ruined.

[35:17] Now, I've heard that you can claim them

[35:19] on your insurance if that happens. So,

[35:22] we could look into our insurance and see

[35:24] if we get a surge, if that would cover

[35:26] any of our equipment. But just to give

[35:28] you an idea, when we first purchased

[35:30] this Zoom system, it was $65,000

[35:34] for these cameras and the setup. We were

[35:37] able to get it on the CARES Act funding,

[35:39] so we got it through a grant, but if we

[35:42] have to replace that, that could be

[35:44] expensive. So, at some point, we might

[35:46] want to look at that.

[35:48] >> Well, and we don't want to have to wait

[35:50] on an insurance plan. That's not a very

[35:52] good idea to for me to say that we're

[35:55] going to wait and because we need to be

[35:57] able to use the equipment the next week

[35:59] after the surge or the same week as a

[36:01] surge, we hope.

[36:02] So, it's not really an optional,

[36:05] >> but these are all wish lists, remember?

[36:07] And I remember we can't do all these.

[36:09] >> No, we can't do them all. So,

[36:10] >> which is sad cuz probably need them all.

[36:13] >> Um, there was talk about replacing

[36:15] lights in the city center and going to

[36:17] LED.

[36:18] >> No.

[36:19] >> Um,

[36:20] >> what's our monthly electric bill

[36:25] » for the city center?

[36:28] >> Um, it depends. Are you looking at

[36:30] average? Because Just roughly,

[36:32] >> I would say around 1,800.

[36:34] >> Okay.

[36:36] >> A lot if not all of the bay lights, no

[36:39] in the fire side, but I think all the

[36:41] bay lights have already been changed to

[36:43] LED. Okay.

[36:44] >> Um that was donated if I'm not mistaken

[36:46] by Alan Wakefield and he installed them.

[36:48] >> I think he bought the lights and he did

[36:49] labor.

[36:50] >> Did you buy them?

[36:51] >> I did, but I think that the former fire

[36:53] chief did.

[36:53] >> Oh, Craig. Okay.

[36:54] >> I think Craig did and then I think he

[36:56] installed them all at no cost. Um, while

[36:58] we're on that surge protector,

[37:01] we go back up a little bit. Um,

[37:06] I I want to put in there, I I really

[37:09] want to talk about putting a generator,

[37:12] a backup generator here. We are set up

[37:14] for a backup generator, and we don't

[37:16] have one. We did have an instance where

[37:20] there was a call out during a power

[37:22] outage

[37:24] and the fire truck caught the release

[37:27] rope

[37:29] >> on the door. They released the door,

[37:32] pushed it up manually. When the truck

[37:34] came out, caught that rope, pulled the

[37:36] door down in the middle of the fire

[37:37] truck and destroyed the door. Um, but we

[37:42] use we keep we keep our fire trucks

[37:45] plugged in. um if there's emergencies,

[37:47] if there's a catastrophe, this is where

[37:50] we come as a as a as a council to

[37:54] >> operate and so we need a backup

[37:56] generator.

[37:57] >> We did get a bid on that a while ago.

[37:59] >> We do have a quote for one.

[38:00] >> It's 135,000.

[38:02] >> 135,000

[38:04] >> backup you're putting on wish list. It's

[38:07] >> so I mean

[38:08] >> now is that covering the whole building

[38:11] or just the the emergency circuit? whole

[38:13] building.

[38:14] >> So, we have, if you look around, you'll

[38:16] see red plugs around the building. Those

[38:20] are set up on an emergency circuit that

[38:23] we're currently set up to put a

[38:25] generator on. So, we could get a smaller

[38:27] generator to run on those emergency

[38:29] circuits. In the council ready room,

[38:31] there are some plugs in there. There's

[38:33] plugs throughout the the building and

[38:35] downstairs. So,

[38:36] >> the idea was when they built this

[38:37] building, they started to set it up. I

[38:39] talked to Alan Wakefield.

[38:41] Why?

[38:42] >> We started to set it up for a backup

[38:43] generator. And the purpose was is that

[38:45] becomes this becomes kind of a

[38:47] evacuation center if you will. So it

[38:49] could still run heat, air, whatever for

[38:51] especially the elderly people in town to

[38:53] need a place to go if their heat goes

[38:54] out in the winter, their goes out, stuff

[38:56] like that. So the building has been

[39:00] started that direction and that was

[39:01] actually a cost for now

[39:05] everything out so we could

[39:06] >> the theund Okay. So I' I'd like to put

[39:09] that on our wish list.

[39:11] we're talking about.

[39:12] >> You put it there.

[39:12] >> Okay. Thank you.

[39:14] >> Um

[39:16] I thought about giving each one of you

[39:18] these one of these chairs today.

[39:21] >> So these are the chairs that are in our

[39:23] red.

[39:25] Um you don't when you sit on it, don't

[39:28] worry. You're going to get black all

[39:29] over your arms. We've kept them for a

[39:32] long time. We still are can use them,

[39:35] but it it does look really

[39:37] unprofessional when we bring um you know

[39:40] Mike McCuel in and sit down there and we

[39:43] apologize for our chairs. Maybe gets us

[39:45] a few more grants. I don't know. Um

[39:51] but it would be nice to have some new

[39:52] chairs in there. So that's a wish. I get

[39:56] it. You guys can decide.

[39:59] Um, and then the final request is a

[40:02] water line in the old public works bay

[40:05] to bring down to help wash off uh

[40:08] snowplow trucks and um the front pad in

[40:13] front of the city center. Uh you'd hook

[40:16] into the 1-in line that's currently in

[40:18] the new section, drill through this uh

[40:21] cement wall between, pull that in, and

[40:24] it shouldn't be more than that. I talked

[40:26] to uh John Wallace and he said that's

[40:30] more than enough to get that.

[40:32] >> So,

[40:32] >> okay. Do you want to cover the building

[40:34] one too since you're here?

[40:35] >> Building tool uh tools, books, dues, and

[40:38] subscriptions. Again, this is our

[40:40] subscript subscriptions we use um for my

[40:45] city inspect where all of our building

[40:48] um subs uh permits go through and that's

[40:52] $1,000 a year. And then this would also

[40:55] cover any of our recording fees at the

[40:57] county and things like that.

[41:01] Any questions? Any questions? Anybody?

[41:05] Okay, Wayne.

[41:09] Going to break the bank here.

[41:13] Uh, last year we had $1,500 and mayor

[41:17] talked to me about it and I think $1,000

[41:20] would be fine for planning commission.

[41:23] We use it for binders and we probably

[41:25] need to update some of our larger maps

[41:28] around there as a charge for those. So

[41:30] just kind of miscellaneous expenses that we go through through the year. I

[41:35] know we'll have some left over this year

[41:36] and it'll go back into general budget

[41:38] for whatever year and expenditures might

[41:41] be needed. So that's that's kind of

[41:44] where that figure came from $1,000.

[41:46] >> Okay.

[41:47] >> Does it cover what you need to be set

[41:48] up? Right.

[41:51] >> Say again. Does it cover what you need

[41:52] to be set up the way you feel you should

[41:55] be set up?

[41:55] >> I think so. Yes.

[42:00] » All right, Ted. Here we go.

[42:05] » It's not on there. I already checked.

[42:07] >> Yeah, Janet already checked that one for

[42:09] me. So, I gave her my secret code.

[42:13] >> I have so we'll go through the fire. So,

[42:17] I broke out.

[42:20] Are we going through? Oh, yeah. There it

[42:21] is. Right there. It's called helicopters

[42:22] are now called PMPs.

[42:26] >> Personal moving personal projectile.

[42:28] >> Yeah.

[42:29] >> Oh, there you go. I like it.

[42:33] >> Um, so we'll talk about the fire budget

[42:36] first. Now, start off. This is not an

[42:38] increase from last year. Uh, this is all

[42:40] the wish list items, but it keeps us

[42:41] within the same budget we had last year.

[42:44] Um, so replacing outdated structural

[42:46] PPE. We have uh a bunch of sets that are

[42:50] outdated and I try and replace a few of

[42:52] those each year. Uh one because it's

[42:54] required by an FPA. Uh and two, it's

[42:57] also a safety issue to protect our

[42:59] firefighters. So, I put some sets in. I

[43:01] put some budget in there for some new

[43:02] sets of PPE. We have a couple of people

[43:05] that are longtime fire guys that still

[43:07] have old sets we need to replace.

[43:09] >> We We've got a gentleman who was

[43:11] professional

[43:12] on our department. He's one of our

[43:14] assistant chiefs and his PPE is so old

[43:17] he won't go into a fire. He's the most

[43:19] experienced person we have and he won't

[43:22] go in into a structure because his PPE

[43:25] isn't protecting him.

[43:27] >> Yeah.

[43:28] >> Can you talk about the what does the

[43:30] expiration change on that? You know,

[43:32] what does the fire rating on your PPE do

[43:36] as it gets older?

[43:38] >> So, so a couple of things. One is NFPA

[43:40] requires that PPE has a life of 10

[43:42] years. So every 10 years you have to

[43:45] replace your PPE and that's per NFA NFPA

[43:47] requirements. Then it also gets derated

[43:49] on the temperature uh over year. So it

[43:51] starts out PPE will protect you up to

[43:53] roughly 900° when it's new. By the time

[43:56] you hit that 10 year life, you're down

[43:57] to 3 to 400 degrees. And when you're in

[43:59] a house, you know, you're well over 400

[44:00] degrees a lot of times. So um but in

[44:04] addition to protecting our firefighters,

[44:06] it also uh goes to our NFPA compliance,

[44:08] which goes to our ISO rating. And an ISO

[44:11] rating is what insurance companies use

[44:13] when they look at insuring homeowners

[44:14] here. And they come to our fire

[44:16] department and they go through a whole

[44:18] checklist of things in our fire

[44:19] department when they look at our ISO

[44:21] rating. So, we try to keep as much in

[44:22] compliance as we can with NFPA um

[44:25] because it also helps our community uh

[44:27] with our fire department and their

[44:29] insurance as well. So, uh so we try and

[44:33] replace some of those each year. Uh we

[44:35] also have some new wildland packs and

[44:36] shelters that we need. Um, these are the packs that our wildland people carry

[44:42] on their backs and they put shelters in

[44:43] them. That's the protective shelter they

[44:45] can get in when they're trapped in a

[44:46] fire. Uh, we we have some that don't

[44:49] have any. And then we've got some that

[44:50] are a little outdated. So, we need to

[44:52] replace about four of those.

[44:53] >> You don't have any?

[44:54] >> No. Well, we got a couple that don't

[44:56] have a shelter at all. And if you don't

[44:57] have a shelter, you don't go on the

[44:58] fire.

[44:58] >> You don't go work the fires.

[45:00] >> No, I don't cuz my son was a wildland

[45:01] firefighter.

[45:02] >> Yeah, we've got a couple. They're new

[45:04] firefighters and we just don't have

[45:05] enough work. So, we need to get some new

[45:06] ones. Lance used to have a bunch of

[45:09] stuff, but

[45:10] >> yeah, he's got some shirts he's going to

[45:12] sell the city at a really good price and

[45:14] that's included in you. We'll get to

[45:15] that here in a minute. Um, so then we

[45:18] have the replace outdated and new

[45:20] wildland PPE. So, we have some of our

[45:22] PPE that's getting outdated. Uh, just

[45:25] wildland pants, shirts, boots, stuff

[45:28] like that, helmets. Um, same thing.

[45:30] They're exceeding that 10 year life. So,

[45:32] we need to replace some of that stuff.

[45:34] Uh, new uniform gear. This is our shirts

[45:36] and hats and gloves, etc. that we wear.

[45:39] Uh, we buy this every year. We try and

[45:41] get a shirt and hat at least for every

[45:42] member every year because they wear

[45:43] their shirts out over the year. So, we

[45:47] try and get one or two shirts for all of

[45:48] our members to wear on um fire and EMT

[45:52] events.

[45:54] Um, and then hats and shirts. That's our

[45:57] or sorry, hats and then our gloves or

[45:58] like our PPE, our our structure gloves,

[46:00] our V line gloves, stuff like that.

[46:03] Um, new battery operated ventilation

[46:05] fan. Um, this is something that' be

[46:08] great. We're trying to include in the

[46:10] budget for this next year. So,

[46:11] everything's going away from gas

[46:13] operated equipment. And over the last

[46:15] couple years, we've been able to replace

[46:16] our extrication tools from the hydraulic

[46:18] to the battery operated. And I think if

[46:21] we get the fan, that completely gets rid

[46:23] of all our power and hydraulic equipment

[46:24] now are battery operated. Uh, which is

[46:28] great, which is how all departments

[46:29] operate now. So you don't have to lug

[46:31] around with your big hydraulic pumps.

[46:32] And

[46:33] >> so this is a fan for the apparatus.

[46:35] >> It's a ventilation fan use on the fire

[46:38] to ventilate houses.

[46:39] >> Yeah.

[46:40] And then we don't have to lug

[46:41] around the big hydraulic pumps anymore.

[46:44] >> Um

[46:46] wildland training packs. So uh sorry

[46:48] this is in shelters. Wildland

[46:50] training shelters. We only have one

[46:52] training shelter. So when we do every

[46:53] year we have to do wildland training.

[46:55] You have to reertify as wildland. And so

[46:57] we have training shelters so people

[46:58] don't have to break out their real

[47:00] shelters to do our pass offs with.

[47:02] >> So we need some more training shelters.

[47:04] Uh a new tick thermal imaging camera for

[47:07] our brush truck. We have one for our

[47:09] engine, but when we go on other fires,

[47:10] we don't have any in our brush truck or

[47:12] anything like that. We had an extra, but

[47:14] it's old and it's broke now. It doesn't

[47:16] work. So

[47:16] >> worth fixing.

[47:18] >> Yeah, it's not worth fixing. So it was

[47:19] better just to replace it. Um

[47:23] miscellaneous tools and equipment. This

[47:24] is just an item we use. I looked at last

[47:26] year's budget. This is when we just need

[47:27] miscellaneous things for our apparatuses

[47:29] that we run into through the year.

[47:30] Something breaks down, we need some new

[47:32] equipment or we we have tools that we

[47:34] need to block.

[47:36] >> Light bulbs go out on them that those

[47:38] kind of things that we just do here.

[47:41] >> And then we also need a few more

[47:42] wildland tools.

[47:44] Um so those are all the items I've added

[47:47] into the budget hopefully to cover this

[47:48] next year. Like I said, it's not an

[47:49] increase in the budget. It's just

[47:51] maintaining our budget we had this year.

[47:53] Fire training. Uh once again, this is

[47:56] keeping within our current budget. Um

[47:59] but how we spend that money on fire

[48:01] training is we go to winter fire school.

[48:03] So that's for all our firefighters. This

[48:04] is how we get our cuz we have to

[48:06] reertify every 3 years. Uh and you have

[48:10] to have 180 hours of training hours to

[48:12] reertify. So this is how a lot of our

[48:14] firefighters get those reertification

[48:16] hours. If we go to that winter fire

[48:17] school that's put on by the Utah Fire

[48:19] Rescue Academy down in St. George, um

[48:22] they donate their own time. usually over

[48:24] a weekend. Uh but we try and cover their

[48:26] expenses, their travel and stuff like

[48:28] that. Um and the school cost,

[48:32] training nourishment,

[48:34] that's to keep our firefighters fed. We

[48:36] use this several things, but when we

[48:38] have trainings, we buy little snacks

[48:40] people have during trainings, but also

[48:42] we keep in our trucks because sometimes

[48:44] you're going on fires for hours and we'd

[48:46] like to have things available.

[48:50] » What's that?

[48:50] >> Uncrustables.

[48:51] >> Uncrustable. Yeah. We're going to take

[48:53] what you call

[48:54] >> in the pockets. You have an uncrustable

[48:55] pocket.

[48:56] >> You included a fry. If

[48:57] >> that's enough PPE, I'll I'll support

[48:59] that.

[49:00] >> You're in the middle of fighting a fire.

[49:01] Pull out an uncrustable. Boom. Fire's

[49:02] out.

[49:03] >> Usually you have water left over from

[49:04] Woodland Hills days, right?

[49:05] >> Yeah. We We're out of water.

[49:07] >> We're out. You used it all. You got a

[49:10] long way. Going to have to buy some.

[49:12] >> So we that's what we buy our water with

[49:13] and just our our stuff that that

[49:15] miscellaneous stuff that we we fill our

[49:17] packs.

[49:17] >> Right out of uh Baldn Pul Creek

[49:20] Gatorade. So

[49:22] >> yeah, we've been eating bulb for six

[49:25] years. We've been eating those snacks

[49:26] and they got a little old. So

[49:28] >> we had a lot of snacks after Woodland

[49:30] Hills. I always bring all that water in

[49:31] and I just stack it in there.

[49:33] >> I let you put it where you want it.

[49:35] Check it.

[49:36] >> We've used it all. Uh gets hot in those

[49:39] trainings.

[49:40] >> Um certification, reertification. This

[49:42] is just made to resert. We have to

[49:44] reertify and certify people every year

[49:45] and it's a cost to us to do that from

[49:47] the uh certifying agency URA. um we have

[49:50] to pay anywhere from 40 to 150 per

[49:52] person to get reertified or new

[49:54] certifications. Uh instructor-led

[49:57] trainings, these are when we have to

[49:59] bring in out of out of uh department

[50:02] instructors for CPR instructors

[50:04] sometimes get paid and stuff like that.

[50:05] We have to pay the instructor to come

[50:06] certify our people. Um we have a

[50:09] miscellaneous which is just 150 bucks to

[50:11] pick up whatever I missed there. Um,

[50:15] the discretionary fund, that one is like

[50:18] the mayor said, that one's just if you

[50:20] have events come up or something that

[50:21] you need to use some discretionary money

[50:23] for. I don't usually use a lot of that.

[50:25] It goes back into the budget again, but

[50:27] it's there in case we need it. Take

[50:29] Senator McKel to lunch because he likes

[50:31] to go to a lot of lunches, I'm hearing,

[50:32] but so we get fire grants.

[50:35] >> If he's going to get us grants and look

[50:37] for it.

[50:37] >> Yeah. But and sometimes we have that

[50:40] gets used for if we have costs with

[50:41] grant applications and just

[50:42] miscellaneous things. We use that

[50:44] discretionary fund. Uh firefighter

[50:46] appreciation. This is our our dinner

[50:49] that we do every year for our

[50:50] firefighters. This is to pay for the

[50:52] dinner. Uh we also hand out awards and

[50:54] plaques. Uh it purchases all that stuff,

[50:56] pays the catering and stuff like that

[50:58] for our firefighters.

[50:59] >> It was just this last week.

[51:01] >> It was just last week. Yeah.

[51:02] >> She was amazing.

[51:05] >> Um fire equipment repairs and

[51:06] maintenance. This is about the same

[51:08] budget we've had year to year. Um, once

[51:10] again, that that could vary just

[51:11] depending on what breaks down. Uh, some

[51:14] years we don't need much and other years

[51:15] we need a little more, but that's kind

[51:17] of an average cost over the years that

[51:19] we've spent.

[51:21] Um,

[51:22] >> that can get wiped out pretty quick with

[51:23] tires.

[51:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. Tires and sometimes we have

[51:27] to fix the pump. And we do have also our

[51:30] pumps have to be certified every year.

[51:32] So, we have a company that comes out and

[51:33] certifies our pumps on our addresses. So

[51:36] it pays for our pumps to get certified

[51:37] every kind of stuff like that.

[51:39] >> We Yeah. State certification just for

[51:42] vehicles that we have to get done on all

[51:44] of them, that kind of stuff. So

[51:46] >> So fire fuel reduction. I broke this one

[51:49] down. Last year was just a lump sum

[51:51] number in the entirety of

[51:53] >> Yeah.

[51:54] >> Just try this one here.

[51:57] >> I don't know what that one. So fire

[51:58] capital outlay.

[52:01] That one is a capital that was set aside

[52:04] to replace, I think, our siren towers

[52:07] and our other equipment on a 15-year

[52:09] term.

[52:12] I don't know what we budgeted for that

[52:14] in the past.

[52:16] >> Have you looked into uh what new

[52:18] speakers would cost so we could actually

[52:20] understand what is being said when the

[52:22] sirens go off?

[52:24] >> Yeah. Then I did have another question

[52:26] on that is does that now go into

[52:27] emergency management versus fire?

[52:31] Yeah, that's a good question.

[52:33] >> I don't see that we have an emergency

[52:35] management budget on here because I

[52:37] thought it was going to come under fire,

[52:38] but I don't see that on here.

[52:39] >> I think it gets pulled out now from

[52:41] under fire.

[52:42] >> In 2023, we paid 11,220.

[52:47] In 2024, we paid 21,500.

[52:51] And then

[52:52] >> it's very inconsistent and I don't even

[52:53] know what it's used for. I don't think

[52:55] it's actually goes to expenses. I think

[52:57] it's a a capital fund.

[52:58] >> Okay.

[52:59] It was a capital fund, so it should

[53:01] still be somewhere in the budget because

[53:03] we haven't spent it.

[53:04] >> We pulled those capital funds out

[53:08] >> into the general, right?

[53:09] >> So, we don't have that budget.

[53:11] >> Yeah, we pulled all the funds out of the

[53:12] capital.

[53:13] >> Oh, yeah. I remember that.

[53:14] >> And put it into the general and it's

[53:16] going towards roads,

[53:17] >> right?

[53:19] >> So, we really don't have that fire

[53:21] capital outlay. And I think that money

[53:23] that's in there before is very dear to

[53:24] years. It's just been pulled out, put

[53:25] into the funds. And my guess is it was

[53:28] for replacing parts on sirens.

[53:31] >> Now, do we go into

[53:33] >> Does that go into the emergency

[53:35] management budget versus

[53:37] >> And I because of the way we're doing

[53:40] things now, I'd rather see that come in

[53:42] as a um you know, when we when we need

[53:46] to replace it, it comes in as a budget

[53:48] line item. We need to replace $10,000 in

[53:51] speakers and and it goes up here on on

[53:53] the list. and and I'm I think it's great

[53:56] to move it to emergency management. I

[53:59] think it falls directly in with what um

[54:03] Aaron's doing

[54:05] >> there. So,

[54:08] >> perfect.

[54:11] » Um so for the fire fuel production, this

[54:14] one is basically a category for our

[54:16] wildland fire. So this is the crew that

[54:19] goes out on the national fires every

[54:20] year and makes us money,

[54:22] >> but it pays for itself. pays for itself

[54:24] and then

[54:25] >> so isn't this kind of deceiving if we're

[54:27] approving

[54:29] >> the

[54:29] >> so we have to approve the budget so they

[54:31] spend the money

[54:32] >> still spending

[54:32] >> and then the money comes in

[54:34] >> the money comes back in to the general

[54:36] fund

[54:37] >> I just want that like thrown out there

[54:38] so people don't go wait what I thought

[54:40] it paid for itself

[54:41] >> yeah we actually made $130,000 on the

[54:45] program last year um so it more than

[54:48] pays for itself but we have to set this

[54:50] budget aside and once again this really

[54:52] isn't an increase in the budget

[54:53] It's just to keep our wildland crew

[54:56] budgeted for the year.

[54:57] >> Okay.

[54:58] >> Um we just we need some new hand we have

[55:00] to uh get new PPE for some firefighters,

[55:04] some hand tools for the truck, and some

[55:06] new hose because we've got a few hoses

[55:07] that got holes in them. Not great when

[55:08] you're on fire. They're in Nebraska

[55:10] right now and I think they're there till

[55:13] Saturday or Sunday. So this is their

[55:15] second deployment this year already.

[55:17] They've been on and they're full

[55:18] deployments.

[55:19] >> It's not looking good.

[55:20] >> No. No, it's not looking good. It's

[55:23] We're just on a fire in

[55:25] >> Spanish yesterday.

[55:26] >> Yep.

[55:28] >> We had a lot of fires.

[55:29] >> So, are we So,

[55:32] >> is Lance's stuff wearing out? Are we

[55:34] replacing? I mean, cuz he should be

[55:35] getting new stuff, too. Not every year,

[55:38] but as cuz cuz he wears it all the time.

[55:40] So, it's

[55:41] >> so far he tells me he's okay cuz he's

[55:43] had enough over the years.

[55:44] >> Okay. I just want to make sure

[55:46] >> again they they keep they wear out.

[55:49] their fire retardant

[55:52] wears out over time.

[55:53] >> He had a lot. So,

[55:54] >> he's actually selling us some of his cuz

[55:56] he's got so much of it.

[55:58] >> Um, so we don't have to buy it brand

[56:00] new.

[56:01] >> Safety is paramount in my mind with with

[56:04] those guys 100%. Yeah.

[56:05] >> And includes lunch.

[56:06] >> He's selling us all his yellow pants.

[56:09] >> Not yellow pants.

[56:10] >> He's got green.

[56:12] He's one of the lucky ones. Um, so the

[56:16] fire fuel reduction discretionary fund.

[56:18] Now, this one I thought about renaming.

[56:21] What that was was the hotel cost for our

[56:23] crew last year. Now, it's all

[56:25] reimburseable, right? We get that money

[56:26] paid back by the state, but all of our

[56:29] hotel expenses. All our motel expenses

[56:31] went to the discretionary. So, I wonder

[56:32] if we ought to call it like travel

[56:34] expenses or lodging expenses or

[56:36] something like that.

[56:37] >> Travel and lodging

[56:38] >> because I because they I just don't

[56:39] think there was a a better budget line

[56:42] item to put that in last year. So that's

[56:44] where it went.

[56:46] >> Don't they um they don't always have

[56:48] that? Like sometimes they're in tents

[56:49] and stuff, right? A lot of the time.

[56:51] >> Yeah.

[56:52] >> But um

[56:53] >> when it does happen, they get reimbured

[56:55] >> and traveling there and back too. They

[56:57] get hotel rooms, right? When they're

[56:59] traveling.

[56:59] >> Yeah.

[57:00] Yeah. We basically get all this

[57:02] money back plus some.

[57:03] >> Also, keep in mind, and I know we do get

[57:05] the money back, but there's sometimes we

[57:07] have to float it in the budget.

[57:10] >> Three months or so.

[57:12] those more from the Palisades fire.

[57:16] >> So we've got to float that money. So

[57:18] we've got to keep that balance, right?

[57:20] >> Yeah. So that's why we got to approve

[57:21] these budgets so that we can float the

[57:23] money until we get it back from the

[57:24] state.

[57:25] >> Makes sense.

[57:26] >> Yeah. Uh the fuel, same thing. Fuel just

[57:29] depends on how many fires they go on. It

[57:31] is only for their fuel cost is all that

[57:33] is. So there's not a lot of variable,

[57:35] but it varies depending on how many

[57:37] fires they go on for the year. Um, but

[57:39] that's generally about where we've kept

[57:41] it. Some years we spend about that much,

[57:43] some years a little less. And then the

[57:45] equipment repairs and maintenance, once

[57:47] again, that's just used to fix our truck

[57:49] or their pump if it goes out so they can

[57:51] keep active on the fires. That's just

[57:53] kind of an average cost we keep in

[57:54] there. Some years it's more or some

[57:56] years it's less, not usually much more

[57:58] than that, but if we don't spend it, it

[57:59] goes back into the budget and all

[58:02] reimburseable. Sometimes the fire pays

[58:04] to if they're on a fire and it breaks

[58:05] down, the fire will actually sometimes

[58:06] pay to fix that equipment.

[58:08] I have a question. I noticed that we

[58:10] didn't have anything on here in the

[58:12] budget for chipper days on spring and

[58:15] fall. And I know we try to get a grant

[58:17] every year, but it's not guaranteed. So,

[58:19] are we going to budget for that?

[58:23] >> Oh, it's under fire.

[58:25] >> Well, why wouldn't it be under fire?

[58:26] Because it's fire reduction.

[58:28] >> We'll talk about it here in a minute

[58:29] because that's an interesting one.

[58:31] >> Um,

[58:32] >> so do EMS. Are you gonna do the EMS?

[58:34] >> I can cover EMS. I went through this

[58:35] with Rachel. Um, so the miscellaneous

[58:39] medical supplies replacement, that's a

[58:40] budget that we've always had. Uh, not

[58:43] changing that budget, the 7500, we just

[58:45] keep that in there to replenish our

[58:46] medical supplies, which Brian actually

[58:48] does for us every year. We have to buy

[58:50] replacement equipment when we use

[58:51] bandages and whatever.

[58:54] So, what we don't get replaced by, we

[58:57] try to get as much as we can replaced by

[58:59] Salem because they charge for it, but

[59:01] not everything gets done that way. And

[59:03] when things expire,

[59:05] um, obviously we have to replace it. We

[59:07] just had to replace quite a bit, but

[59:09] we've been running a long time not

[59:12] spending that much. We we've done really

[59:14] well for a number of years. So,

[59:18] >> um, the medical training, this is one we

[59:21] did add this year um to it's it's in the equipment supplies budget,

[59:26] but

[59:27] >> So, how come it says training when it's

[59:28] the PPE?

[59:29] >> Yeah, that's because I probably didn't

[59:30] copy I copied. It shouldn't be training.

[59:33] That should

[59:34] >> should be PPE. So, change medical

[59:36] training to PPE if you go, man.

[59:39] >> Down one.

[59:39] >> Go up one.

[59:40] >> Right here.

[59:41] >> No. Up up up up up.

[59:44] >> The other up.

[59:45] >> Right there. There you go.

[59:46] >> I have a question real quick. Um, so you

[59:49] said that the fire budget wasn't um any

[59:52] different than it was in the past year.

[59:54] Is the EMS budget different other than

[59:56] the than the ambulance?

[59:59] >> Other than the ambulance. I just I just

[1:00:01] said that. I heard her. She said I said

[1:00:04] it. Other than that,

[1:00:05] >> I was giving you a hard time.

[1:00:07] >> I was just wondering is this is this

[1:00:09] about the same as it was last year?

[1:00:11] >> Went up a little bit. It went up about

[1:00:12] 30%. I'll tell you why. We'll explain

[1:00:14] why here in a second.

[1:00:15] >> Um

[1:00:16] >> more people.

[1:00:18] >> Yeah, more people. Well, as as you know,

[1:00:20] we've now getting we're getting our own

[1:00:22] license,

[1:00:23] >> which opens the door for people to join

[1:00:25] our EMT family and get state insurance

[1:00:29] if they have no other means of getting

[1:00:30] insurance. We've had a number of

[1:00:32] inquiries

[1:00:34] >> and I think that's getting pretty

[1:00:35] active. One of the things we also felt

[1:00:38] is and this we'll talk about the medical

[1:00:40] PPE. We felt like it's not fair to ask

[1:00:43] our volunteers to buy their own pants

[1:00:45] and boots

[1:00:47] um for EM for EMT. So, we thought we

[1:00:50] would add uh enough for three new EMTs

[1:00:53] to get them a pair of pants and boots as

[1:00:56] EMTs. And also, they're covering shifts

[1:00:58] for us now. So, we run as as we've

[1:01:00] talked about before, we we have someone

[1:01:02] on shift 24 hours a day. And so, uh,

[1:01:05] this just helps us

[1:01:08] also get more volunteers in our

[1:01:10] community and for to, you know, to

[1:01:12] expect them to have to come join a

[1:01:14] volunteer department, then buy their own

[1:01:15] equipment, which I'm not that's how

[1:01:17] we've done it in the past. Um but if we

[1:01:20] get uh if we can incentivize people to do that for for

[1:01:24] >> not that it matters

[1:01:26] where it is but where do you do you know

[1:01:29] where the money is that we're paying um

[1:01:32] Dr. Meyers for and things like that

[1:01:35] because we do have some additional fees

[1:01:37] now that it it it's costing us more with

[1:01:41] our own license.

[1:01:43] >> So it's just buried in there.

[1:01:45] >> It's kind of it's kind of buried. We we

[1:01:47] cover that in a lot of the miscellaneous

[1:01:49] certification trainings and stuff like

[1:01:50] that. Um

[1:01:52] >> so that is another reason for it

[1:01:54] increases. We've got more.

[1:01:55] >> Keep in mind these are just the variable

[1:01:56] things. There's a few things in EMS that

[1:01:58] are not you're not seeing here that are

[1:01:59] just

[1:02:01] >> are they in the

[1:02:02] >> just nonvariable cost if you got that.

[1:02:06] >> Now I'm not sure if we've got this one

[1:02:07] in there or not. So we've got wage

[1:02:09] equipment training appreciation

[1:02:10] equipment fuel equipment. So it just

[1:02:13] comes out of kind of the general usually

[1:02:16] equipment supplies is where most things

[1:02:17] comes out of

[1:02:20] and we can also pull it out of wages.

[1:02:22] You see our wages went up a little bit

[1:02:23] this year.

[1:02:25] Uh but that was to help with some new

[1:02:27] people but also cover some of our costs.

[1:02:30] That's where we included that.

[1:02:31] >> It's on this this sheet.

[1:02:33] >> So we did raise that up by about $3,000

[1:02:35] this year and that was to cover some of

[1:02:38] those medical those Dr. Meyer expenses

[1:02:39] and stuff like that. Okay.

[1:02:42] >> Um, where do we get to? So, training.

[1:02:45] Um, so we have uh certification

[1:02:49] trainings. Um,

[1:02:52] the $6,000 is normally what we keep in

[1:02:54] there. That pays for about four people

[1:02:57] plus other certifications we have to go

[1:02:59] to EMT school. It's about $1,500 to send

[1:03:01] someone to get certified as an EMT. So,

[1:03:04] we keep roughly around $6,000 in that

[1:03:06] budget just so we can send new people.

[1:03:07] Sometimes we send use that budget. we

[1:03:10] have enough people to get them

[1:03:10] certified. Sometimes we don't use all of

[1:03:12] it. It varies, but we try to keep about

[1:03:13] that amount to certify EMTs. Medical

[1:03:16] training. This one did go up. And the

[1:03:18] reason is the EMT conference. Now, uh

[1:03:21] this is where our EMTs go get a lot of

[1:03:22] their hours, certification hours. It was

[1:03:25] in Provo, which was very easy for us to

[1:03:27] get to and from. Now it's in Salt Lake,

[1:03:29] down basically downtown Salt Lake. So,

[1:03:31] we've increased that budget so people

[1:03:33] don't have to travel back and forth

[1:03:34] necessarily each day if they don't want

[1:03:36] to for the two or three days. they can

[1:03:38] we can get them on some lodging up

[1:03:39] there. Uh some travel and stuff like

[1:03:41] that.

[1:03:43] Uh appreciation that goes towards our

[1:03:46] appreciation dinner that we do for fire

[1:03:47] and EMS new ambulance. Um

[1:03:51] >> will you reiterate we seem to have a

[1:03:53] false narrative out there. Will you re

[1:03:55] reiterate where the money is coming from

[1:03:57] for the new ambulance?

[1:03:59] >> So the new ambulance we budgeted and had

[1:04:01] approved by the council 100 to spend up

[1:04:02] to $150,000 on new ambulance. The money

[1:04:05] for this is coming from the sale of our

[1:04:07] fire engine. So Brian right now is in

[1:04:10] the process of getting our fire engine

[1:04:11] listed, our second fire engine, because

[1:04:13] we have two fire engines. We got the new

[1:04:15] one a couple years ago. Our old one, we

[1:04:17] just no longer use it. Uh we hung on to

[1:04:20] it for a couple years in case we saw a

[1:04:22] need for it. For example, if we go on

[1:04:25] these EMACs, it's nice to send one

[1:04:27] engine on an Emac and have one in the

[1:04:28] city, but those are so far and few

[1:04:30] between that I don't think it's worth

[1:04:31] the cost of trying to keep a second

[1:04:33] engine here when we could use another

[1:04:34] ambulance.

[1:04:34] >> And we're going to talk about selling

[1:04:36] the engine here.

[1:04:36] >> That'll come up on a budget item. So,

[1:04:38] we're going to sell the fire engine. Uh

[1:04:40] I think it's estimated $180 to $200,000

[1:04:43] is what that will sell for. So, that

[1:04:45] will cover the cost of our ambulance.

[1:04:47] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:04:47] >> If I remember this 150 was an approval

[1:04:50] limit. It's not that that's not what

[1:04:52] you're expecting to spend, but it's just

[1:04:54] you want to be able to get the right

[1:04:55] engine or the right ambulance if it's

[1:04:57] available. You don't want to have it yet

[1:04:59] cuz it's a they they go quick, right?

[1:05:00] >> Yeah. These ones go quick. These ones

[1:05:02] we're looking at. Ambulances are hard to

[1:05:03] find on the market. When you find a good

[1:05:04] one, if you don't jump on it,

[1:05:06] >> you won't get it. So So the cost for

[1:05:08] this is being covered by the sellar fire

[1:05:10] engine.

[1:05:10] >> Perfect.

[1:05:11] >> Thank you.

[1:05:13] >> Um EMS equipment supplies. Um

[1:05:18] that's Oh, that's emergency management

[1:05:19] equipment supplies. I'm not sure why

[1:05:21] that one's there.

[1:05:23] >> Just to keep you on your toes, Ted.

[1:05:24] >> Yeah, that one probably should go under

[1:05:26] It's probably been there in the past,

[1:05:27] but we probably should move that under

[1:05:29] emergency management now.

[1:05:30] >> Do we have an emergency management?

[1:05:33] >> Um, yeah, we do.

[1:05:35] >> We don't have it. We just don't have it

[1:05:37] on on these sheets that we're talking

[1:05:38] about.

[1:05:39] >> No, it's on the fixed one.

[1:05:40] >> It's meant I meant on these ones that

[1:05:43] staff is talking about.

[1:05:44] >> No, because he's this is wish list,

[1:05:46] >> right? But Aaron's a staff

[1:05:50] >> and he doesn't get

[1:05:55] » I know what happens if I open it up to

[1:05:57] Aaron man we are getting all sorts of

[1:06:00] stuff. So

[1:06:03] >> it's not a variable. There are a couple

[1:06:04] of things that if we're talking about

[1:06:06] emergency management as I'm I'm the

[1:06:08] liazison over that um that we we in the

[1:06:12] past we have paid for our annual dues to

[1:06:15] what's called UEIA the Utah Emergency

[1:06:18] Management Association and I would like

[1:06:20] those dues put on that budget as well as

[1:06:23] for him to be able to um um go to the

[1:06:28] conferences that they have and and the

[1:06:30] other items that they have um that are

[1:06:32] available for emergency managers for

[1:06:35] training and certifications and whatnot.

[1:06:37] >> So, we have

[1:06:38] >> those would come here.

[1:06:40] >> Staff staff.

[1:06:42] >> So, I just was wanting to make sure that

[1:06:45] if that I I was going to ask it earlier

[1:06:47] if that was still if we still have been

[1:06:49] paying it for those those years because

[1:06:51] I haven't been really paying attention

[1:06:53] of exactly which subscriptions and and

[1:06:57] whatnot that we've been paying. But that

[1:06:59] is um something that I wanted to bring

[1:07:01] to everyone's attention. There are a few

[1:07:03] things in that that should be included.

[1:07:08] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:07:12] » Okay, Ted, it's still you.

[1:07:16] >> Some public improvements.

[1:07:18] >> I can't see the screen yet. Okay, so

[1:07:20] roads, uh, public improvements. Um,

[1:07:23] streets professional and technical. This

[1:07:25] is money we pay engineers, uh, who do

[1:07:28] our designs for us to get bid documents

[1:07:29] ready when we have projects we need to

[1:07:30] put out to bid.

[1:07:32] This year, um, we were looking at a

[1:07:34] storm drain project. Um,

[1:07:38] so we had a flood study that was done a

[1:07:40] few years ago that we got grant money

[1:07:41] for from FEMA. And in there, they

[1:07:44] identified about a half a dozen

[1:07:45] improvements to help with the flooding

[1:07:48] from our community into other

[1:07:50] communities. We tackled one of those

[1:07:52] this year uh by doing some improvements

[1:07:54] to a detention basin. This is the next

[1:07:57] project on the list, this East Summit

[1:07:59] Creek detention basin. Mhm.

[1:08:00] >> Um so the professional services is the

[1:08:03] cost for the engineering and then the

[1:08:06] next budget item is the cost for the

[1:08:08] actual project. That's what was

[1:08:09] estimated in the flood study.

[1:08:12] Um so that would tackle another storm

[1:08:14] water project uh next year.

[1:08:18] Uh road supplies.

[1:08:21] Uh we talked about maybe combining even

[1:08:23] a couple of these items because there's

[1:08:25] enough of them to get confused.

[1:08:27] Um, road supplies really is just keeps

[1:08:30] us in whatever we prefer our are uh to

[1:08:33] keep our roads maintained. Signs, posts,

[1:08:36] equipment, stuff like that. Um,

[1:08:39] crack seal if we have to buy crack seal.

[1:08:41] Uh, few things like that. Road supplies.

[1:08:43] It's not really changed from last year,

[1:08:44] just carrying over kind of similar what

[1:08:46] we had last year. Discretionary, the

[1:08:48] same thing as the rest of the budgets.

[1:08:49] This is just to catch anything that that

[1:08:51] we miss. Um

[1:08:54] that could fall under miscellaneous if

[1:08:55] we have to order something or

[1:08:57] advertising or whatever. Tools and

[1:09:00] equipment. Um I think we can combine

[1:09:02] that one with our supplies and just call

[1:09:03] supplies and equipment. Um I think when

[1:09:07] court was here, he liked to break them

[1:09:08] out a little more detail than I think we

[1:09:10] really need to. And I know that was

[1:09:11] because different people different sides

[1:09:13] of the building down there. So they kept

[1:09:15] things very separate back then. I don't

[1:09:17] think we need to do that as much

[1:09:18] anymore.

[1:09:20] Um, and once again, this is just to

[1:09:23] replace any tools that break down. It's

[1:09:25] kind of a carryover item with same with

[1:09:27] the supplies.

[1:09:29] Ted, can I ask you your professional

[1:09:32] opinion?

[1:09:34] We've identified our flood zones and and our and our runoffs and we've

[1:09:40] already been

[1:09:43] not threatened but talked to by the

[1:09:45] county basically threatened. Um if we

[1:09:49] don't proceed in some sort of planned

[1:09:53] fashion with this, I'm guessing we could

[1:09:56] be it could get us into some big pretty

[1:09:58] big trouble,

[1:09:59] >> legal trouble. So, I'll give you kind of the the words

[1:10:05] that we heard. Um, there was some

[1:10:07] flooding that happened a few years back

[1:10:09] and it flooded a house down in they're

[1:10:11] actually in the county, but as you go

[1:10:12] down into Salem, um, they sued the

[1:10:15] county

[1:10:17] >> and the county just took on the lawsuit

[1:10:20] and then they came and met with us and

[1:10:21] said that water came from your city, so

[1:10:24] any if this continues, we're just going

[1:10:26] to send them your way. uh you know come

[1:10:29] after you guys if you don't manage your

[1:10:31] flood water. So that was hence when we

[1:10:33] got the funding from FEMA we did the

[1:10:35] flood study fair how to manage our water

[1:10:37] and now these are the projects that are

[1:10:39] helping us to do that. One of the

[1:10:41] projects is going to be completed by

[1:10:42] three bridges uh as part of their

[1:10:44] development.

[1:10:44] >> Y

[1:10:45] >> they're actually going to do one of the

[1:10:46] projects for us uh cuz it's a

[1:10:48] combination of woodland hills and three

[1:10:49] bridges. They need it. We need it.

[1:10:51] They're just going to go ahead and do

[1:10:52] it. Uh so that takes care of one of

[1:10:54] them. This is another one and then we

[1:10:56] got a couple more to do. So this might

[1:10:57] even be a one.

[1:10:59] >> It might even be a one.

[1:11:00] >> That's kind of my thought process on it

[1:11:02] is that we could get in a little bit of

[1:11:04] trouble if we didn't proceed with

[1:11:05] mitigation.

[1:11:06] >> If you Yeah. On the right you see staff

[1:11:08] priority. They're they're putting like

[1:11:10] how important they are.

[1:11:11] >> Yep. They got two. That's why I'm

[1:11:13] thinking it might be close to a one.

[1:11:15] >> We don't want to get sued.

[1:11:17] >> Yeah. It could be close to a one. Uh

[1:11:19] it's been that way for years, but you

[1:11:21] know, it's probably time to take care of

[1:11:22] it. So,

[1:11:23] >> and we already put some money into the

[1:11:24] one that they did at the corner of 11200

[1:11:27] and and lover used that basin. That's

[1:11:30] right.

[1:11:31] >> That's what he was talking about. We've

[1:11:33] already done the one.

[1:11:34] >> Mhm.

[1:11:34] >> Well, and we've done another one this

[1:11:36] year as well besides that one. We did

[1:11:37] one up in um

[1:11:39] >> that basin that kind of goes off into

[1:11:40] Elkridge. So, we were sending flood

[1:11:42] water down into Elkridge and we had

[1:11:43] detention basin that wasn't

[1:11:45] >> completely built correctly. So, we we

[1:11:47] corrected that one this year

[1:11:50] >> because Elkridge, same thing. They came

[1:11:51] to us and said, "You guys keep flooding

[1:11:53] Loafer Canyon Road." So,

[1:11:54] >> and the county is doing those projects

[1:11:57] except for three bridges. We just pay

[1:11:59] our portion of it for them to complete

[1:12:01] it.

[1:12:01] >> That one. These ones are all

[1:12:02] >> ours. Yeah.

[1:12:04] >> Um,

[1:12:06] so the streets general maintenance

[1:12:09] including the PMP. This is what you call

[1:12:11] personal something projectile.

[1:12:15] » No. No.

[1:12:18] >> Personalized.

[1:12:18] >> Personal motorized.

[1:12:20] >> Personalized. Yeah,

[1:12:21] >> motorized

[1:12:22] project.

[1:12:23] >> So, this is the uh this is the phase

[1:12:27] three of our project management plan

[1:12:29] projects. This completes all the roads

[1:12:32] being completed with the exception of

[1:12:35] those that we have to replace water

[1:12:36] lines in generally on this kind of

[1:12:38] easterly side of the city. So, this

[1:12:41] completes that phase three. This is the

[1:12:42] one that we would bond for. So, it's

[1:12:45] showing here as an approved budget item,

[1:12:47] but it's also going to be bonded for,

[1:12:50] >> but the money that we would get for

[1:12:52] financing is also added into the amount

[1:12:55] that we have to spend. So, if you don't

[1:12:57] approve it, we have to take that amount

[1:12:58] of money out,

[1:13:00] >> right?

[1:13:00] >> So, it's a wash. So, any of those that

[1:13:02] are in yellow,

[1:13:05] you you know, you'd have to take the

[1:13:06] money out if you don't approve those.

[1:13:08] >> So, there's the revenue right there.

[1:13:09] That's the bond money coming in,

[1:13:12] >> just so you know. So that that's clear.

[1:13:16] So

[1:13:16] >> So that's what that project is. Um

[1:13:21] vehicle repairs and maintenance. This is

[1:13:23] repair our uh like our mower if it

[1:13:26] breaks down. Our uh

[1:13:28] >> if Peterson breaks Oh, good. He's on his

[1:13:30] mission. It

[1:13:33] >> it just our various equipment. If a

[1:13:35] street sweeper breaks down, um the truck

[1:13:38] that totally fire or on tires, right? or

[1:13:42] plow trucks because you don't have plow

[1:13:43] trucks on there but that doesn't come at

[1:13:45] least plow that's in the snow plow

[1:13:47] >> that's in the snow plow okay

[1:13:49] >> so this is just loader service truck any

[1:13:51] >> yeah part of this the service truck

[1:13:54] toy's truck few things like that

[1:13:56] anything that lawn mower or whatever

[1:13:57] breaks down just gives us some money to

[1:13:58] fix it

[1:14:00] um capital outlay once again I'm not

[1:14:03] sure where that was going even I'm

[1:14:05] guessing it was going into the capital

[1:14:06] budget then coming back into the general

[1:14:08] fund and now it's been

[1:14:09] >> it's we moved it to the general fund is

[1:14:11] No, not that might be for the service

[1:14:13] truck, but we're putting money away.

[1:14:18] >> Classy road maintenance that really goes

[1:14:20] up in should probably go as part of our

[1:14:21] street's general maintenance, too. That

[1:14:23] is the we get classy road funds about

[1:14:25] 100,000 every year. We get from the

[1:14:27] state that comes from the gas tax, the

[1:14:31] tax on gas. Uh our city gets based on

[1:14:33] our it's based on the number of road

[1:14:35] miles you have and we get about 100,000

[1:14:38] every year from the state. And that just

[1:14:40] basically goes towards our maintenance

[1:14:42] of our streets.

[1:14:45] >> Okay.

[1:14:47] >> Um

[1:14:50] >> you said we get 100,000.

[1:14:52] >> It's a little over generally. Yeah, a

[1:14:54] little over 100,000.

[1:14:56] Snowplow um supplies. This is just to

[1:14:59] buy miscellaneous supplies. Um

[1:15:03] we can probably combine that. Once

[1:15:04] again, Ben, same thing. Probably combine

[1:15:06] it with the tools and the equipment.

[1:15:07] Just make it all one. Um because really

[1:15:09] what we use

[1:15:12] >> except forget to buy reflectors or

[1:15:14] things.

[1:15:15] >> Yeah. Reflectors or replacement blades.

[1:15:18] Miscellaneous truck

[1:15:19] >> straps.

[1:15:21] >> Isn't there something on the blade if

[1:15:22] I'm remembering? Like a little strip

[1:15:24] that sometimes comes off.

[1:15:25] >> That's what we have to replace. It's a

[1:15:27] wear bar.

[1:15:28] >> Wear bar. Yeah, I could.

[1:15:28] >> We have to replace those every year.

[1:15:30] They're about $3,000 to replace the

[1:15:32] entirety of the thing.

[1:15:32] >> And they're just under the blade

[1:15:34] replacement as well. Or are they a

[1:15:36] separate one? No, under it falls under

[1:15:38] snow plow tools and equipment which will

[1:15:41] be uh

[1:15:42] >> Well, he's got a line in here for the

[1:15:43] blade replacement.

[1:15:45] >> I was just wanting to make sure that

[1:15:46] blade the whole blade compared to the wear bar.

[1:15:50] >> It's just the wear

[1:15:54] >> and then miscellaneous truck parts. Um

[1:16:00] that's usually just used for anything

[1:16:02] that breaks down in the snow plows um

[1:16:05] during the year. Now that they're

[1:16:08] leased, you know, we might could look at

[1:16:10] the budget

[1:16:11] >> tires and

[1:16:13] >> tires, hydraulic lines,

[1:16:16] >> lights, electronics,

[1:16:20] >> but that's also kind of in the supplies

[1:16:22] as well. So, I mean, it's it's a budget

[1:16:25] line item we keep in there. We don't

[1:16:27] always spend all of it. Sometimes we do

[1:16:28] spend, depending on our plows are now

[1:16:30] leased, so generally they're fairly new,

[1:16:33] so we just almost don't replace tires on

[1:16:36] too often before we give them back.

[1:16:39] >> Um,

[1:16:40] >> and since we use the trucks for winter

[1:16:42] and summer, is the is the the budget

[1:16:46] that you have for both of them one's in

[1:16:48] another spot and or is this for year

[1:16:50] round?

[1:16:50] >> Yeah, we don't use them a lot during

[1:16:51] summer.

[1:16:52] >> Okay. You're not using them for the

[1:16:55] that was part of I thought leasing them

[1:16:57] these trucks because they could be used

[1:16:58] for other purposes.

[1:16:59] >> They do have dump beds on them if we

[1:17:00] need them and they have been used a few

[1:17:02] times for the dumb beds, but mostly now

[1:17:04] that we have the loader, we use that a

[1:17:05] lot more.

[1:17:06] >> Okay.

[1:17:07] >> Mostly just for plowing. In fact, the

[1:17:09] next round we go, we're probably going

[1:17:11] to get one without a dumb bed. Saves us

[1:17:13] about $20,000.

[1:17:13] >> I was going to say it's cheaper, right?

[1:17:15] >> Do we include the lease for the loader?

[1:17:18] >> I

[1:17:20] for the loader. It's a fixed item.

[1:17:22] >> So, we did have

[1:17:23] >> Yeah, it's I made some notes off to the

[1:17:27] side which ones were going to leases.

[1:17:29] >> Awesome.

[1:17:30] >> And it was a fixed, not a very

[1:17:34] » because it was split between roads

[1:17:37] and something else.

[1:17:39] >> Water.

[1:17:40] >> Yeah.

[1:17:42] >> Lower right there. Lower service truck.

[1:17:45] So, it wasn't a principal debt interest.

[1:17:48] So, it was not a variable item.

[1:17:52] Ted all done and perfect. What would be

[1:17:56] the annual maintenance?

[1:18:00] >> Um,

[1:18:01] that's a good question.

[1:18:04] >> Never had them all.

[1:18:06] >> I know.

[1:18:06] >> I actually had a resident ask me that

[1:18:08] question. I went back and tried to

[1:18:09] figure it out one day, another resident,

[1:18:12] and I was trying to calculate it because

[1:18:13] he had this very same question. I said,

[1:18:15] "Well, I don't have a lot of history to

[1:18:16] go off of because we've never had them

[1:18:18] that way." Um, so I tried to come up

[1:18:21] with some numbers. It would probably cut

[1:18:22] our maintenance costs in half.

[1:18:24] >> So we've got some roads that are, you

[1:18:27] know, still almost new. What does it

[1:18:30] take every year? What do we do every

[1:18:31] year?

[1:18:33] >> So

[1:18:33] >> counting what we when we have to redo

[1:18:35] them.

[1:18:35] >> So generally what I Well, so here's my

[1:18:38] thought. Um, so like the roads we just

[1:18:40] finished um probably after about it

[1:18:43] depends on what we did for them. So,

[1:18:44] like the ones that we just put the

[1:18:46] slurry seal on, um, we should come back

[1:18:48] and put a fog seal over those here in a

[1:18:50] couple years. Probably 50 100,000 to do

[1:18:52] that.

[1:18:53] >> Some years you might do skip an entire

[1:18:56] year after that.

[1:18:57] >> Oh, but he has a a

[1:18:59] >> remember the formula,

[1:19:00] >> the pavement management plan and that

[1:19:03] will be rotating through everything so

[1:19:05] that they won't get so bad that it takes

[1:19:08] so much to redo them. They'll

[1:19:10] >> be on the same timeline. So, it works

[1:19:12] out.

[1:19:12] >> So, it works out. So if we once we get

[1:19:14] all these roads if we just so normally

[1:19:16] we keep about 100,000 is what we

[1:19:18] historically kept in that budget for

[1:19:19] maintenance

[1:19:20] >> and if we just

[1:19:21] >> so what we get from the state if I I

[1:19:23] mean that would be the dream that's why

[1:19:24] I'm like wow

[1:19:27] >> we can get on top of this and stay on

[1:19:29] top

[1:19:29] >> the challenge is going to be getting all

[1:19:30] these roads over here the worst roads

[1:19:32] are the ones that need to be done and

[1:19:34] >> biggest expense

[1:19:35] >> biggest yeah our biggest expense it cost

[1:19:37] about $20,000 if we have a huge like

[1:19:40] fail spot to fix um Poth holes usually

[1:19:43] four to five.

[1:19:44] >> Another fund we get to add to that

[1:19:46] because the water

[1:19:47] >> pothole 4 to 5,000.

[1:19:50] >> Okay, let's keep going.

[1:19:51] >> Road salt. Where did we get to supplies?

[1:19:54] Okay, we got road salt. Uh that's just

[1:19:56] what we spent historically. That varies

[1:19:57] depending on the year. Last year we

[1:19:59] spent about 26,000

[1:20:01] >> and we still have

[1:20:02] >> and we still got half a shed full down

[1:20:04] there.

[1:20:06] >> So I just thought let's maybe if we just

[1:20:08] keep that budget the same in case we

[1:20:10] need the salt. If we don't, it goes back

[1:20:12] into the budget,

[1:20:13] >> right?

[1:20:14] >> But if we have a bad year, like

[1:20:16] >> three years ago, we had a really heavy

[1:20:17] year. We used about $60,000.

[1:20:19] >> We had like nine months of winter that

[1:20:20] year.

[1:20:21] >> Yeah. So, it just varies year to year.

[1:20:23] >> We needed it though.

[1:20:26] >> All right.

[1:20:26] >> Um

[1:20:29] fuel once again, the fuel is just a

[1:20:31] whatever. It depends on the years how

[1:20:33] much of that we use. Not a lot of vary.

[1:20:34] I just The interesting thing was I think

[1:20:36] we fill all our plows from our service

[1:20:38] truck. So historically that budget on

[1:20:42] him has been zero last year or sorry the

[1:20:45] budget was there for 5,000 but we didn't

[1:20:47] spend any in the budget because Toby's

[1:20:49] going down and filling up the service

[1:20:50] truck

[1:20:51] >> the roads budget with

[1:20:53] >> the tank on the back of the service

[1:20:54] truck and then that would be used to

[1:20:56] fill the plows. So it came out of the

[1:20:58] roads budget

[1:20:59] >> for the plows. So we got to make that

[1:21:01] track a little better.

[1:21:02] >> Okay.

[1:21:02] >> But that's about the budget we keep. Um

[1:21:04] snow plows repairs and maintenance. Uh

[1:21:07] once again, this is oil changes.

[1:21:09] Whatever we need to do there can

[1:21:10] probably be combined with someone's The

[1:21:12] other ones are equipment and tools for

[1:21:14] blades and all that stuff. This one's do

[1:21:16] uh tires, oil changes, stuff like that.

[1:21:21] Um parts, chipper days.

[1:21:23] >> Last section. Okay,

[1:21:24] >> last section. Chipper days. Um so we've

[1:21:28] usually had 10,000 all that. Now we

[1:21:31] don't have any expense for chipper days.

[1:21:35] Um the county comes up and does all our

[1:21:37] chipping.

[1:21:39] So

[1:21:40] >> don't we sometimes have our staff help

[1:21:42] though?

[1:21:43] >> But here's my thought.

[1:21:44] >> We do and that comes out of our fire

[1:21:45] fuel mitigation budget.

[1:21:47] >> Yeah. That's why I was confused or or

[1:21:50] we're volunteering our time

[1:21:52] >> or we're volunteering our time.

[1:21:53] >> So we don't have a lot of money that we

[1:21:55] ever spend on chipper days. So my

[1:21:56] thought was if we keep uh so I've been

[1:21:59] talking to the state about getting a

[1:22:01] grant for our city to have a chipper.

[1:22:04] Um, this way it can be used periodically

[1:22:06] throughout the year when we need to chip

[1:22:08] stuff. Uh, the state thought we'd have a

[1:22:11] good chance at getting a grant for a

[1:22:12] chipper. So, I thought maybe we put a

[1:22:14] little money aside in that for a grant

[1:22:16] match. So, that's what that 5,000 is.

[1:22:18] It'd be a grant match towards getting a

[1:22:19] chipper.

[1:22:20] >> And it'd be good for our mitigation crew

[1:22:22] when they're in town.

[1:22:25] >> They could actually make money in town

[1:22:26] with it if we're have if we're doing

[1:22:27] residents properties. So, I like

[1:22:29] >> Yeah. How many have they like a couple

[1:22:31] summers ago when they did quite a few of

[1:22:33] them? How many resident How many homes

[1:22:35] did were were they able to do

[1:22:36] residences? They did a few, right?

[1:22:39] >> Cherries. The cherries.

[1:22:41] >> They did like a half a dozen a years ago

[1:22:42] when we had them in town a little more

[1:22:44] residents pay our city to have them come

[1:22:46] out and do it. Um this year we've got uh

[1:22:50] one resident that's paid us so far for a

[1:22:53] big piece of property. Um

[1:22:55] >> yeah, so we'll offer that every year.

[1:22:57] And if we have our own chipper, that

[1:22:58] just makes it much easier.

[1:23:00] >> Easier.

[1:23:01] >> Do we have a date for chipper day this

[1:23:02] year? And are we planning on buying

[1:23:04] this? If if this goes through, would we

[1:23:06] buy it on

[1:23:08] >> We wouldn't be using that this money for

[1:23:11] this May. We would maybe buy it for the

[1:23:13] fall shipping day for next year's

[1:23:14] budget. Yeah.

[1:23:16] >> But we'd still do one in May this year

[1:23:18] for the residents.

[1:23:20] >> Crossing our fingers. Yes.

[1:23:21] >> Okay.

[1:23:22] >> I can't give a date yet.

[1:23:23] >> Okay.

[1:23:24] >> State won't let me right now. Well, and

[1:23:26] the county has to be available, too.

[1:23:29] >> Yeah, that depends. The county might not

[1:23:31] be like to help us because it's going to

[1:23:34] be such a big fire year for them.

[1:23:36] >> They might be gone.

[1:23:37] >> I've talked to the county. We've got a

[1:23:39] tenative date, but they don't want to

[1:23:40] release it yet until we that we can

[1:23:42] verify that everything's going to be

[1:23:44] okay.

[1:23:45] >> And it can vary if they get call on

[1:23:47] fires. It's a busy year this year. Uh

[1:23:49] the state's already been called three

[1:23:51] times to different states and we've been

[1:23:53] on two of them. Um, PTR budget, that's

[1:23:57] just a carryover. I Whatever they spend

[1:23:59] that on, I'm not sure.

[1:24:01] >> Half a million.

[1:24:05] >> Uh, city celebrations. That one I did

[1:24:08] bump up. That's our Wooden Hills Days,

[1:24:10] Maple Days, all that stuff. That one we

[1:24:12] just about, we went just slightly over

[1:24:14] 14,000 last year, like 142, so I bumped

[1:24:16] it to 145.

[1:24:17] >> Yeah. And, um, our our meal costs a

[1:24:20] little bit more every year. And then we

[1:24:22] just have some of the costs cost more.

[1:24:23] And this year it is that I actually was

[1:24:26] looking at that. I'm like, can we bump

[1:24:27] it to 15? Just it's the 250 celebration

[1:24:30] and we want to do some extra things. So,

[1:24:33] yeah.

[1:24:34] >> Well, don't do we have any

[1:24:37] anything coming from any grants or

[1:24:39] anything with 250?

[1:24:42] >> We may

[1:24:43] >> uh that'll come potentially from the

[1:24:45] county. I'm working on that right now.

[1:24:47] Thought

[1:24:47] >> we had something somebody

[1:24:48] >> something in the works. We just don't

[1:24:49] know yet. So,

[1:24:51] >> yeah, that'll be about $1,500.

[1:24:53] Okay. And if we get that then yeah,

[1:24:56] we're good.

[1:24:58] >> Um, the strange sprinkler part. So, our

[1:25:01] repairs and maintenance, this is really,

[1:25:02] so sprinkler repair, that's just we put

[1:25:05] 2500 in there. We have various repairs

[1:25:07] through the year on our sprinkler

[1:25:08] system, stuff like that. Um, I've been

[1:25:10] setting aside about 10 grand a year to

[1:25:12] replace our trail uh as it goes around

[1:25:15] the park because it's falling apart.

[1:25:17] Last year, we did about 10 grand of

[1:25:19] trail replacement. Um, this year I'd

[1:25:21] like to just budget another section of

[1:25:23] replacement. Um, just chip away at that

[1:25:26] thing over the next five or so years and

[1:25:28] see if we can get it replaced. Um, and

[1:25:31] then playground equipment. This is kind

[1:25:33] of a big wish list item. We've got lots

[1:25:35] of feedback that they would like to see

[1:25:36] that replaced and get some better

[1:25:39] equipment. So, I thought if we start

[1:25:40] budgeting, maybe we can do some pieces

[1:25:43] or something like that at a time.

[1:25:45] >> Replace the section. We still have those

[1:25:47] old little

[1:25:48] >> Yeah. And they're like broken.

[1:25:50] >> Yeah. So, I thought maybe if we start

[1:25:52] budgeting for a little bit of that.

[1:25:53] >> Does this include

[1:25:54] >> chipping away at it?

[1:25:55] >> Chips/ rubber as well in that 10,000.

[1:26:00] >> Yeah.

[1:26:01] >> Okay.

[1:26:01] >> And chips we replaced last year, so we

[1:26:03] should be okay this year.

[1:26:04] >> Well, depends on how much compacts. I

[1:26:06] mean, we just we're have to go out and

[1:26:08] measure it.

[1:26:09] >> You know, when we first put that

[1:26:10] equipment in, we we kind of had a a

[1:26:14] fundraiser or whatever. different

[1:26:16] citizens got together and raised the

[1:26:19] money amongst themselves to buy the

[1:26:21] equipment originally. I don't know if

[1:26:23] they would be interested in doing that

[1:26:25] again.

[1:26:26] >> Yeah, I don't know if they'd be

[1:26:28] interested in doing that again. You

[1:26:29] know, people who use that equipment

[1:26:31] might

[1:26:32] >> grants you can actually and it could be

[1:26:34] the match to the grant. He found a grant

[1:26:36] for playground equipment.

[1:26:38] >> Um, and maybe one other thing to just

[1:26:40] mention in parks uh not showing in the

[1:26:42] budget is we did apply for a grant.

[1:26:44] Well, I talk about other grants. Never

[1:26:46] mind.

[1:26:46] >> Yeah, we're gonna do that in a minute.

[1:26:47] >> Yeah, never mind. I'll leave that for

[1:26:48] grants.

[1:26:49] >> Okay,

[1:26:50] >> perfect.

[1:26:53] >> Okay.

[1:26:56] >> Go, Janet.

[1:26:57] >> No. Are we going to go through and take

[1:27:00] turns?

[1:27:01] >> Yeah.

[1:27:02] So,

[1:27:03] >> well, what I want to first start with

[1:27:04] here is let's go to the yellows. Um,

[1:27:08] so new ambulance, uh, it has been

[1:27:12] already approved. Uh does anybody have

[1:27:14] any opposition in me putting a check

[1:27:16] there?

[1:27:17] >> No.

[1:27:19] >> Perfect. Okay. Um also uh the pavement

[1:27:24] management plan. Uh believe this is what

[1:27:26] Ted, is this phase three or is this

[1:27:28] phase four?

[1:27:30] >> Three.

[1:27:31] >> This is three. Um I believe this is

[1:27:34] something we've also already kind of

[1:27:36] committed to in past council meetings

[1:27:37] with past councils. Does anybody have

[1:27:40] any opposition here for us to include

[1:27:42] this into the budget?

[1:27:44] >> No.

[1:27:44] >> And that's the bond just to

[1:27:46] >> Yeah, that's where we get the bond.

[1:27:47] >> Yep.

[1:27:48] >> Correct.

[1:27:50] >> Yeah.

[1:27:50] >> Yep.

[1:27:51] >> Okay. I also added this one as probably

[1:27:54] a super high priority with the safety

[1:27:56] for snowplow. Does anybody have any

[1:27:58] opposition for me putting an X here by

[1:28:00] for snowplowing

[1:28:02] salt?

[1:28:05] >> No.

[1:28:07] >> Okay. So what I felt might make a lot of

[1:28:10] sense now going forward is is you all

[1:28:12] have this list. Um remember that we have

[1:28:15] added you know just a couple here. Um

[1:28:18] the backup generator. Um and I did we

[1:28:22] add anything else? I can't remember.

[1:28:25] >> I think a comment regarding that.

[1:28:28] >> Please.

[1:28:29] >> Yeah.

[1:28:32] >> I can understand why we want to have a

[1:28:34] brand new piece of equipment. That's the

[1:28:36] best solution in the long run. But until

[1:28:38] we can get that money, I want to propose

[1:28:41] a solution that's a lot less cheaper, a

[1:28:43] lot less expensive as a temporary

[1:28:46] >> stay. The um generator the city had

[1:28:49] before that they hadn't used for like

[1:28:51] 15, 20 years. I bought it at auction. I

[1:28:54] put 10 grand into it. I fix it. Every

[1:28:57] month I run 30,000 or 30 minutes every

[1:28:59] month and it runs smoothly.

[1:29:03] I can use it to power one of our water

[1:29:05] pumps, right? One out of the two that's

[1:29:08] in the the lower.

[1:29:10] >> Yeah, it's already got the hookup for

[1:29:11] it. The only thing it doesn't have is

[1:29:12] the cable

[1:29:14] and it could also be used to power this

[1:29:16] entire building as well. I'm going to

[1:29:19] let the city use it at no expense. Just

[1:29:22] cover the fuel costs. But you have to

[1:29:24] find a cable.

[1:29:25] And you guys sitting down how much these

[1:29:28] cables cost?

[1:29:30] >> Yeah. What was that number? It's crazy.

[1:29:33] >> 25,000 for the cable building. So, a

[1:29:36] generator is a minimum cost of about

[1:29:38] 130,000 is to get the building set up to

[1:29:40] be able to set to switch.

[1:29:42] >> That's what the big cost is.

[1:29:45] >> Alan had it already wired. He told me he

[1:29:47] had already wired.

[1:29:48] >> It's not. So, he came and looked at it.

[1:29:50] >> The water the water thing is pre-wired.

[1:29:53] >> Uh the booster is

[1:29:54] >> the booster is, but you can come from

[1:29:55] the booster to the top if you need to.

[1:29:57] >> We are. Yeah. So, the booster is preset

[1:29:58] up for the generator. The buildings and

[1:30:00] all. That was the big expense with the

[1:30:01] building cost. Generator was fairly

[1:30:03] minimal. It was the

[1:30:06] >> Okay. Looked at found

[1:30:11] fourth one.

[1:30:12] >> If we want to use any facility in a

[1:30:14] disaster when the power grid's gone out,

[1:30:17] we need power. Now, the fact that we

[1:30:19] don't have any electrical connections

[1:30:21] here is

[1:30:22] a bummer, but we can use a generator to pump electricity into the building

[1:30:29] via extension cables.

[1:30:31] >> Okay, so I've got

[1:30:32] >> Okay,

[1:30:33] >> I've got three I got four generators. Uh

[1:30:37] I've got a 48,000 watt propane natural

[1:30:41] gas generator and I've got a diesel

[1:30:43] generator that's about 10,000 watt. So,

[1:30:47] I can get power into power computers,

[1:30:50] um, communications equipment, things

[1:30:53] like that. And the city doesn't pay

[1:30:55] anything for it because I've already I

[1:30:56] already own them. Well, my nonprofit

[1:30:58] organization owns it. Okay. Or the B

[1:31:00] Ready Academy. That resource is

[1:31:02] available. If we have to a cabling

[1:31:05] system of of power, what do you call

[1:31:07] that thing? The power box.

[1:31:09] >> Distributor.

[1:31:11] >> Distribution box. If we just had a

[1:31:12] distributor that city owned that I could

[1:31:14] plug in 10,000 watts into, then we could

[1:31:17] funnel power into the rooms as we

[1:31:19] needed. It's not enough to power

[1:31:20] probably the the heater system. That's

[1:31:23] probably a big one. But you keep lights

[1:31:25] on. If we had at least some connection

[1:31:28] um done for lights um in the fire

[1:31:32] department, you just need to be able to

[1:31:34] open those garage doors easily, right?

[1:31:36] And lights. No, we actually have got all

[1:31:39] of our all of our vehicles stay plugged

[1:31:41] in all the time so that they're ready to

[1:31:43] go.

[1:31:43] >> Okay. So, there's that's that's a

[1:31:45] minimal amount. That's battery triple

[1:31:47] charging

[1:31:48] very low power.

[1:31:49] >> Do we have a number you can I could

[1:31:51] replace this 130,000 for right now for

[1:31:54] this uh budgetary cycles purposes.

[1:31:57] >> We I mean we can update it later, right?

[1:31:59] Because this is just kind of a prel.

[1:32:00] This is a preliminary uh proposal, Ben,

[1:32:03] because the only thing we're city the

[1:32:05] city's ready to use it for now is that

[1:32:06] cable could be used for the power uh for

[1:32:08] the um the water pump, which I think

[1:32:11] could be

[1:32:12] >> it's about 20 what? 20 25,000 for

[1:32:15] >> about 25,000 for that particular one.

[1:32:17] But we do have the power generator

[1:32:18] that's already running up at the top,

[1:32:20] right?

[1:32:20] >> Yes.

[1:32:21] >> So the Yeah, the well's already covered.

[1:32:23] It's automatic generator up there.

[1:32:25] >> I was more concerned about this

[1:32:26] building. So we had to figure out how to

[1:32:27] get a distributor box.

[1:32:28] >> Okay. So we can bring in power generator

[1:32:30] outside and use it to be able to

[1:32:32] function in this building during

[1:32:34] >> and we've got a generator up there too.

[1:32:37] >> So we don't need to worry about a

[1:32:38] generator for the water supply only a

[1:32:41] generator for this facility.

[1:32:42] >> Yes. Yes. If we have one up there

[1:32:45] >> now that the light are you talking about

[1:32:47] the the light tower?

[1:32:49] >> It's not big enough.

[1:32:49] >> No got a generator up there that will

[1:32:52] also size to run the wells.

[1:32:54] >> 25,000.

[1:32:55] >> I just have to

[1:32:57] >> um

[1:32:59] So, what you guys haven't seen is in

[1:33:01] I've got a water budget, too. Uh, which

[1:33:03] is a enterprise fund. In the water

[1:33:05] budget, got some money planned for uh

[1:33:09] >> fixing that generator. It's like $2,500

[1:33:12] next month to replace the batteries. And

[1:33:14] >> so, we got to move along to go.

[1:33:15] >> Okay.

[1:33:17] >> So, I

[1:33:19] normally have a budget retreat where we

[1:33:21] just different than a but different than

[1:33:23] a city council meeting. We don't do

[1:33:25] other

[1:33:26] >> We still got to That's okay. Let's focus

[1:33:28] you guys.

[1:33:29] >> Thank you.

[1:33:30] >> Yeah. We're going to we're going to go

[1:33:32] around and um

[1:33:35] >> we're just going to go around in a

[1:33:37] circle and you're going to pick one

[1:33:39] budget item, right, Ben, that you want

[1:33:42] on there.

[1:33:43] >> So, I'm going to go first. I want city

[1:33:45] celebrations. So, if you'll put an X on

[1:33:48] that one. I know I'm so selfish.

[1:33:53] >> Okay. Anybody who's opposed to that?

[1:33:56] No.

[1:33:58] >> Okay. Uh Dan,

[1:34:03] » well, I was thinking on the PTR side as

[1:34:05] well. I know that we're talking about a

[1:34:07] grant at some point for the but I I've

[1:34:10] been walking on the trail system quite a

[1:34:12] bit um the last week trying to regain my

[1:34:17] balance. Um, and I wondered if Yeah, I

[1:34:22] mean I I look at the trail replacement

[1:34:23] and and some of that stuff just having

[1:34:25] been up at the park. I would like to see

[1:34:27] the trails improved um or maintained or

[1:34:30] at least have a plan. And I like Ted's

[1:34:31] plan. It is it is a big

[1:34:34] expense. Um but I do like it going at a

[1:34:38] kind of scheduled maintenance.

[1:34:41] >> You're picking trail replacement.

[1:34:42] >> The trail replacement I think is the one

[1:34:44] that I would I would like to see.

[1:34:46] >> All right. Anybody opposed there?

[1:34:51] >> Okay. Uh Brian,

[1:34:56] » how's he going to pick with all those

[1:34:57] fire winds? You can't It's like throwing

[1:34:59] away your

[1:34:59] >> Well, we

[1:35:02] just I'm

[1:35:06] » What?

[1:35:07] >> I don't like the way this is working.

[1:35:09] >> Yeah, I'm kind of thinking feels weird.

[1:35:12] >> It's going to take a long time. Is there

[1:35:14] let's let's just say is there anything

[1:35:16] anybody actually in the on the council

[1:35:19] is there anything that anybody disagrees

[1:35:21] with.

[1:35:22] >> Well, there's more here than we have

[1:35:23] money.

[1:35:23] >> I know. I know. But this is one of the

[1:35:25] questions that he's asking, right? So,

[1:35:27] is there anything that anybody disagrees

[1:35:30] with

[1:35:31] >> as long as

[1:35:31] >> you disagree with something? Okay. What

[1:35:33] is it?

[1:35:34] >> Uh 4141601

[1:35:37] 13,000 for printer leases.

[1:35:42] Um 4141649

[1:35:44] 33,000.

[1:35:46] >> Um

[1:35:47] >> so we locked into the printer lease.

[1:35:49] >> Okay,

[1:35:50] >> that's not a

[1:35:51] >> it's up 5,000 from our previous years.

[1:35:54] So that's my only that's my only concern

[1:35:56] right now. I'm sure it's justified. I

[1:35:58] just want to understand it better.

[1:36:01] >> Repainting the city center for 51,000

[1:36:03] I'm not on board with or the re

[1:36:06] recarpeting the city center.

[1:36:08] >> Yeah, a lot of those I think are

[1:36:10] discretionary in there.

[1:36:12] They're wish list items. Okay.

[1:36:14] >> Why don't we Why don't we take a

[1:36:15] section? Go in the fire. Let's do fire.

[1:36:17] Let's do Let's make it a little easier.

[1:36:19] Can we do that?

[1:36:20] >> Let's go inside. Let's go in fire. Is

[1:36:24] there anything in fire that is

[1:36:26] unnecessary?

[1:36:29] Don't ask Ted. He might be the wrong

[1:36:33] >> Well, my understanding, Ted, this was

[1:36:36] all in within your current budget

[1:36:37] anyway. This isn't really on top of

[1:36:40] anything that's in the fire.

[1:36:41] >> So, I guess what my my what I'm saying

[1:36:42] is is can we can we approve

[1:36:45] >> everything in the fire and save some

[1:36:48] time. Is there anything that's

[1:36:50] >> or just can we say what was approved for

[1:36:52] last year's budget compared to this

[1:36:54] year's budget too. So, cuz that was

[1:36:56] helpful when when Ted said that up front

[1:36:59] >> for us. And then we also know that some

[1:37:02] of these things that that like carpet

[1:37:04] and things we know are are need to be

[1:37:07] addressed, but they weren't in last

[1:37:08] year's budget. So maybe we just look at

[1:37:11] those and say, "Hey, these are extras

[1:37:13] now."

[1:37:14] >> It's just she's trying to wipe out the

[1:37:16] ones that first are are already

[1:37:20] >> you might not necessarily be wiping them

[1:37:22] out total. It's just saying, "Hey, these

[1:37:25] aren't these aren't priorities right

[1:37:27] now." now. And I think we all kind of

[1:37:28] know it's these extras.

[1:37:30] >> Yeah. I I would like to ask those that

[1:37:32] were responsible. So, Jody, Wayne, Ted,

[1:37:35] um Rachel, obviously, how much time did

[1:37:37] you spend on the prioritization? Did you

[1:37:40] spend a good amount of time in that

[1:37:41] prioritization of the of the lists?

[1:37:44] >> I would say from my aspect, um that's

[1:37:47] tough because everything to me is

[1:37:48] priority.

[1:37:49] >> Agree.

[1:37:50] >> So,

[1:37:50] >> well, the the only reason I asked

[1:37:52] >> Yeah. You know, I spend a little time

[1:37:54] looking at it trying to decide

[1:37:55] >> because because really that's going to

[1:37:57] help at least me help me decide where we

[1:37:59] should really focus our time and

[1:38:01] attention on those initial approvals,

[1:38:03] right? So, if I just did if I I took

[1:38:05] this your the total

[1:38:09] priority one amount is $80,000.

[1:38:12] So, if we hit every if we gave everybody

[1:38:14] their priority one item that they list,

[1:38:17] it's $80,000.

[1:38:18] >> Mhm.

[1:38:19] >> Priority 2 485. Priority three goes down

[1:38:22] to 26. Priority four is $150,000.

[1:38:26] So if I'm looking at a at a gap of about

[1:38:29] $200,000, right, between our approved

[1:38:31] and where we're at, if priority one if

[1:38:33] the thought has been put into the

[1:38:34] priority ones, I'm almost willing to

[1:38:37] >> if that's if it Yeah. 80 grand, I would

[1:38:40] much rather just do a almost a

[1:38:42] >> I I hate to say it, a bulk approval

[1:38:45] >> just because I know the thought has been

[1:38:47] put into the priority. But if it wasn't,

[1:38:50] >> then I'm not then then I mean if it was if it was just kind of a

[1:38:54] >> for me ones were one of those things of

[1:38:57] we've got to get this stuff done like

[1:38:59] digitizing the records.

[1:39:00] >> Agreed.

[1:39:00] >> We've got to get it done because there's

[1:39:02] no way if we have a fire again

[1:39:05] have to haul out.

[1:39:07] >> Ben, can you put X's on the ones and see

[1:39:09] where we're at?

[1:39:10] >> Yeah. If you go up look at the fire

[1:39:12] budget.

[1:39:13] >> Yeah.

[1:39:13] >> I actually ranked that one. So it's not

[1:39:15] like So I just ran it one one through

[1:39:17] nine. Yeah, I'm I'm honestly leaning on

[1:39:19] the on the fire and the the EMS budget.

[1:39:22] I'm actually really comfortable with it

[1:39:24] because you've already said it's it's

[1:39:25] kind of already within budget. It's just

[1:39:27] how you see the priority of the spend.

[1:39:29] >> It's these other things like for

[1:39:30] example, Jody, you've got and again, not

[1:39:32] I'm not trying to

[1:39:34] >> you've got $1,000 for city center

[1:39:37] building signage as a priority one

[1:39:39] expenditure and it's probably because

[1:39:41] you're hearing about it, people saying

[1:39:43] complaining about it or whatever else

[1:39:44] and you you know, etc., etc. If that

[1:39:47] $1,000 needs to be spent for a new sign,

[1:39:50] I'm fine with that. But I just want to

[1:39:52] make sure that that would be a prime.

[1:39:55] Like if we only have $1,000 left in the

[1:39:57] bank, we're like, "Okay, what's left?"

[1:39:59] Are we really saying the new sign on the

[1:40:00] building is is the new sign is going to

[1:40:02] be there?

[1:40:02] >> It's between

[1:40:05] >> Oh, if he's taking it out of roads, then

[1:40:07] you can take it out of there.

[1:40:09] and you don't

[1:40:12] » I don't believe Ted and I differ in this

[1:40:15] area. If I have a budget and I don't

[1:40:17] need it, I'm not going to spend it.

[1:40:19] >> Sure.

[1:40:20] >> Ted agrees, you know, if I've got it,

[1:40:22] I'm going to spend it.

[1:40:23] >> So, we kind of, I think, work together

[1:40:26] and say, is this really going to be

[1:40:28] needed? And he just said, it's going to

[1:40:29] come out of roads. Okay. Well, then take

[1:40:32] it out. It's just one of those things

[1:40:33] that happened to deal

[1:40:35] >> Okay. And I and I again I'm not critical

[1:40:36] of anybody's priorities at all.

[1:40:39] >> I just want to say cuz for me if if if

[1:40:41] the priority one falls within our our

[1:40:43] gap

[1:40:44] >> I want the locking mechanism on the

[1:40:46] door. Does anybody disagree with that?

[1:40:48] >> I would agree. Also, mayor, I I noticed

[1:40:50] that

[1:40:51] >> it was right above where you just did

[1:40:52] the red.

[1:40:53] >> Jody had pretty well prioritized every

[1:40:56] single thing she had on there and yet

[1:40:59] >> and and a lot of the fires prioritized

[1:41:02] and even some he put at 5, six, seven,

[1:41:05] eight, nine, but still we're probably

[1:41:07] going to put it in there. Those are our

[1:41:08] list of

[1:41:09] >> and um but I noticed that on on roads

[1:41:14] and on um snowplow there's only one or

[1:41:17] two things that are prioritized on on

[1:41:21] that and yet they are priorities. So I

[1:41:24] think that if if we're looking at just

[1:41:27] one and twos based on what they put on

[1:41:29] some of the main expenses don't have a

[1:41:32] one and two on them. There's um you've

[1:41:34] put some on them since that we've

[1:41:36] printed out this copy. But um

[1:41:39] >> can we put just wanted to be aware aware

[1:41:42] of that that there are some additionals

[1:41:44] once.

[1:41:45] >> Does anybody disagree with that?

[1:41:46] >> But I would like Well, I think Ted this

[1:41:49] year

[1:41:50] have we got the funds in your

[1:41:54] budgets

[1:41:55] >> to get the geotech survey done likely on

[1:41:59] the wall

[1:42:01] >> this year. Just do it red for now

[1:42:03] though.

[1:42:04] >> I don't feel comfortable making I mean I

[1:42:07] know this isn't the final but it does

[1:42:09] when we're just barely kind of getting

[1:42:11] the

[1:42:12] >> the gist of what everybody's asking for.

[1:42:14] I would like to be able to digest it out

[1:42:17] of this.

[1:42:18] >> Yeah. So again, we can leave it.

[1:42:20] >> We just don't say yes at this point.

[1:42:23] >> We're getting the geotech.

[1:42:24] >> We're not deleting it. We're just not

[1:42:26] saying yes.

[1:42:27] >> I'm just having you make it red because

[1:42:28] we're not saying yes to it yet. Can I

[1:42:31] ask about digitizing

[1:42:32] >> and the audio system? Does anybody does

[1:42:35] anybody?

[1:42:37] >> Can we make that red as well?

[1:42:39] >> Yeah, definitely.

[1:42:41] >> If anyone disagrees with me, I'm just

[1:42:42] trying to like get through this.

[1:42:44] >> Thank you.

[1:42:45] >> Um, okay. So,

[1:42:47] >> maybe if we're just trying to move,

[1:42:49] let's just go through here. So, planning

[1:42:50] and zoning. Anybody have a problem with

[1:42:52] me putting X there for planning

[1:42:55] commission?

[1:42:57] >> Yeah, we're good.

[1:42:59] >> We need our and all that. That's

[1:43:02] >> okay. Then let's jump down here to EMS.

[1:43:05] >> Okay. I'm going to kind of go through

[1:43:06] priorities here. Um

[1:43:10] >> I mean, I don't see how we can really

[1:43:11] take things out of fire and EMS.

[1:43:13] >> I think you just That's not a lot of

[1:43:16] money.

[1:43:16] >> It's not the original. It's not last

[1:43:18] year's budget. It did go up, but there

[1:43:19] are reasons for that. Besides,

[1:43:20] >> yeah, there's not a lot there. There's

[1:43:23] not a lot in there.

[1:43:24] >> Okay, let's go to public roads here.

[1:43:28] streets. Obviously, we need the

[1:43:30] engineering.

[1:43:31] >> So, I I think these two are are I think

[1:43:35] we better move on these. I I brought

[1:43:36] that up because I think if we don't,

[1:43:39] we're going to get in trouble.

[1:43:40] >> Yep.

[1:43:42] >> So, are are we getting proposals for the

[1:43:44] engineering? Because I mean, I know that

[1:43:46] the engineers require a lot, but 35,000

[1:43:51] >> that's the multiple projects, right?

[1:43:53] >> Yeah. Those are just the design and then

[1:43:55] one's the construction

[1:43:56] >> that has to go out for bid, right? The

[1:43:58] engineering

[1:44:00] >> engineering. No, we can request if it's

[1:44:02] under 50,000, we can request three three

[1:44:04] um

[1:44:06] >> uh I don't like to call them bids in

[1:44:07] engineering, but three proposals.

[1:44:09] >> Three proposals. Okay. As long as we do

[1:44:10] three, then that's fair. Yep. Okay.

[1:44:14] >> Yeah. So, we have that one down there

[1:44:16] that says 3500. Not sure what this one's

[1:44:19] for.

[1:44:19] >> That goes away. That one could go away.

[1:44:22] >> Make it red.

[1:44:24] because we're we're not sure yet.

[1:44:26] >> We're not moving to capital. We're not

[1:44:27] doing capital,

[1:44:30] right?

[1:44:30] >> Yeah. Do those two

[1:44:32] >> road supplies. We need them.

[1:44:34] >> Yeah.

[1:44:34] >> And I like the combining and giving Ted

[1:44:37] some flexibility with how he spends that

[1:44:40] money.

[1:44:41] >> Okay. So, that section

[1:44:43] >> snowplow I have no objections with.

[1:44:46] >> Yeah, snowplow. Let's do them. There's

[1:44:49] not much there.

[1:44:51] Um I ptr give ptr

[1:44:54] >> ptr

[1:44:54] >> chipper days I agree. Does anybody

[1:44:56] object to those?

[1:44:58] >> They're all little.

[1:44:59] >> I think chipper days is the grant.

[1:45:03] >> Make it red.

[1:45:04] >> Make that one red

[1:45:04] >> cuz I think that we should look for

[1:45:06] grants and also um citizen matches. I

[1:45:09] >> I think we should hold on right now the

[1:45:11] hold on the playground equipment and

[1:45:13] hold on the grant for chipper on the

[1:45:15] chipper grant. Well, we usually spend 10

[1:45:17] on chipper days, so that's half.

[1:45:19] >> No, we don't.

[1:45:20] >> Oh,

[1:45:21] >> we just save

[1:45:21] >> you budget it for it.

[1:45:22] >> We budget for it and then we don't.

[1:45:24] >> See, I'm okay leaving that in the

[1:45:25] budget.

[1:45:26] >> It's important that cuz we're down to

[1:45:29] 233,000. So,

[1:45:32] >> we don't have

[1:45:34] >> Well, we've we've cleared a lot. So, we

[1:45:36] are already done with uh PT or with

[1:45:39] parks

[1:45:40] >> snowplow. Okay. Just in case we have to

[1:45:43] go back. I think we need to leave

[1:45:45] Chipper because that's our fire

[1:45:46] mitigation.

[1:45:48] >> Uh it's not a park and trail. I I think

[1:45:51] it I think it should be under fire

[1:45:53] mitigation, but

[1:45:54] >> because that's what we're we're training

[1:45:56] our citizens to be um

[1:45:58] >> No, no, no. We're we're not saying we're

[1:46:00] getting rid of chipper days,

[1:46:02] >> right? But but we're talking about I

[1:46:04] know what we're talking about.

[1:46:04] >> Dropping $5,000 out of a match that'll

[1:46:08] possibly go to a grant to buy a chipper.

[1:46:10] Doesn't have anything to do with chipper

[1:46:12] days. Not at all.

[1:46:13] >> Okay. So that's a that's an equipment.

[1:46:14] That's a piece of equipment.

[1:46:15] >> But I thought he doesn't have to do a

[1:46:17] >> chipper. He said that we would be doing

[1:46:18] our own chipping rather than the county

[1:46:20] doing it. And that's why we wanted a

[1:46:21] chipper.

[1:46:22] >> No, no, rather than the county.

[1:46:23] >> No, if we if the county is still going

[1:46:26] to come and chip,

[1:46:27] >> but with our chipper, not this.

[1:46:28] >> If we have a chipper in between that

[1:46:30] one, our crews are out, they go around.

[1:46:32] >> Okay. So, we're still waiting on this.

[1:46:34] >> Okay. Let's just work our way back up

[1:46:35] slowly, Ben, and see if we missed

[1:46:37] anything. So, let's just

[1:46:38] >> Okay. Am I leaving that X or not for the

[1:46:40] chip or Grant?

[1:46:41] >> I have the chip off for now. for now.

[1:46:43] Yeah.

[1:46:43] >> Okay. Off for now.

[1:46:45] >> If if we're not unanimous, let's just

[1:46:47] take it off for now.

[1:46:49] >> Well,

[1:46:49] >> we can always come back.

[1:46:53] >> Good conversation.

[1:46:53] >> So, let's just kind of make sure we

[1:46:55] don't miss anything. Let's just work our

[1:46:56] way up. We did all those. So, let's keep

[1:46:58] going. Let's We got to move this along.

[1:47:01] >> Wait. Okay.

[1:47:03] >> At the bottom of this here.

[1:47:04] >> All right.

[1:47:05] >> This pays for itself. I don't see

[1:47:06] >> Yeah, you got to X all of those.

[1:47:08] >> X all those.

[1:47:09] >> Yep. It's just like the ambulance pays

[1:47:12] for itself with the sale on the fire.

[1:47:13] >> Let's not miss any. Make sure everybody

[1:47:15] watching.

[1:47:16] >> Okay. So then all the Jodie stuff.

[1:47:18] >> Great.

[1:47:19] >> It's not really.

[1:47:20] >> Let's go to the top and

[1:47:21] >> Oh yeah, let's do these.

[1:47:22] >> Let's just work at the top and work

[1:47:23] down. Yeah. We need all of them.

[1:47:26] >> Great.

[1:47:27] >> All of those.

[1:47:28] >> They're pretty low. I don't know.

[1:47:32] >> Do the first one. 4500

[1:47:34] >> and the second And if we're leasing the

[1:47:37] others, that's an

[1:47:38] >> we already we're already on the hook for

[1:47:40] that. We got to do that one.

[1:47:41] >> Yep.

[1:47:42] >> Um

[1:47:44] yeah,

[1:47:45] >> the 20. I think we got to have Polaris.

[1:47:48] We don't have a choice.

[1:47:51] >> Okay, now it gets interesting.

[1:47:54] >> Uh landscaping.

[1:47:56] >> We need the digitizing, I think.

[1:47:58] >> Yeah, we had a fire.

[1:47:59] >> Well, you had questions.

[1:48:03] » Yeah. So, it seems like a lot. Have we

[1:48:05] gotten bids on that?

[1:48:07] >> So, this is from the prison. It's the

[1:48:09] cheapest. The prisoners do it.

[1:48:11] >> We trust that

[1:48:12] >> yet.

[1:48:14] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:48:15] >> It's on the one teller, guys.

[1:48:17] >> They they do it for other people.

[1:48:20] >> And so, that I don't like I said, I

[1:48:22] would not prepare be prepared to do it

[1:48:25] all this year.

[1:48:26] >> For sure. Yeah.

[1:48:26] >> There is no way. That's a total price.

[1:48:29] So,

[1:48:30] >> is there are there other companies that

[1:48:32] >> Do you want to put the 135 on it?

[1:48:34] >> I don't think

[1:48:35] >> that's what Ben's doing.

[1:48:37] >> I've talked to all the other recorders.

[1:48:39] They said UCI is the best.

[1:48:41] >> They'll even take it up to the state

[1:48:43] archives for us once it's done in which

[1:48:45] they have it all indexed and on an

[1:48:48] external hard drive and yada yada yada.

[1:48:50] And then they transport it to the

[1:48:52] >> Okay, let's put an X on that.

[1:48:54] >> The reason this is so been so I mean

[1:48:57] Jod's been asking for this clarity.

[1:48:59] fires. She had to have the she had to

[1:49:01] have the the football team come and

[1:49:03] carry boxes out of our files during the

[1:49:05] fire.

[1:49:05] >> Does anybody care about the front entry

[1:49:07] mat if we need that? That's

[1:49:08] >> we need a safety thing.

[1:49:10] >> Nothing.

[1:49:11] >> It is a safety thing. Somebody could

[1:49:12] trip over

[1:49:12] >> the landscaping for now.

[1:49:14] >> It's a ghetto thing.

[1:49:17] >> We are ghetto.

[1:49:18] >> You have to keep it up. I mean,

[1:49:21] >> where are we just talking about? Like is

[1:49:22] it over on that side? Help me understand

[1:49:24] where it is. It's over on the other side

[1:49:26] where the

[1:49:28] >> somewhat bark chips are.

[1:49:30] >> Okay.

[1:49:30] >> That have blown all away or are gone.

[1:49:33] >> Okay.

[1:49:33] >> Yeah, let's do that one.

[1:49:35] >> I'm okay with that.

[1:49:37] >> The fridge needs replaced. Yes.

[1:49:40] >> Yeah. I mean,

[1:49:42] >> we could get something off of KSL for a

[1:49:44] lot cheaper than that. But yeah,

[1:49:46] >> still put the X there though because we

[1:49:48] can always change the number.

[1:49:49] >> Yeah.

[1:49:50] >> Okay. Let's skip that one for a minute.

[1:49:53] Um,

[1:49:55] ah, teams. Let's skip that for a minute.

[1:49:58] >> Yeah.

[1:49:58] >> Uh, you know what?

[1:49:59] >> I think it's

[1:50:00] >> Let's just do it. That's That's an easy

[1:50:02] one. That's an easy

[1:50:03] >> And it's going to save us in the long

[1:50:04] >> It'll save us.

[1:50:05] >> Oh, yeah. You're right. I remember that.

[1:50:06] You said

[1:50:07] >> that pays for itself.

[1:50:09] >> I think the safety is important for the our employees to feel safe that

[1:50:14] they're at work.

[1:50:16] >> We've had

[1:50:16] >> Do you have anything else that you want

[1:50:18] to say on this front?

[1:50:21] >> Me? Aaron.

[1:50:22] >> Oh, Aaron

[1:50:24] >> Jody or our

[1:50:27] >> law enforcement that's in the room.

[1:50:29] >> I can't see from back here.

[1:50:31] >> This is the bulletproofing in the front

[1:50:34] >> or

[1:50:34] >> I would like us to be guarded in how you

[1:50:41] describe things on this. I'm not looking

[1:50:42] for details. I'm not looking for

[1:50:45] locations.

[1:50:47] Um, but just in generalities.

[1:50:51] I can buy a couple big pieces of quarter

[1:50:53] inch steel and there we go. Bold them.

[1:50:56] You don't want

[1:50:58] I really I do think we need to be um

[1:51:02] >> feels expensive, right?

[1:51:03] >> We need to make sure that our staff are taking those. I can't even remember.

[1:51:08] Repairs to the outside. I think we need

[1:51:10] the repairs to the outside of the city

[1:51:12] center. That's a

[1:51:14] >> Yeah, I agree.

[1:51:16] >> That's not a question.

[1:51:17] >> It's going to get more expensive longer.

[1:51:20] Sur protector.

[1:51:21] >> Search protector. Are we putting that as

[1:51:23] a

[1:51:24] >> I think pass on the sur protector for

[1:51:26] the moment.

[1:51:29] >> There's another a temporary solution.

[1:51:32] It's only cost 500 bucks.

[1:51:34] >> Okay.

[1:51:34] >> And it actually would uh protect the

[1:51:36] building against a electrical surge from

[1:51:38] a chronal mass ejection or u uh what do

[1:51:42] you call the other one? Electromagnetic

[1:51:45] pulse.

[1:51:45] >> EMP.

[1:51:46] >> Yeah. It's only it's only 500 bucks and

[1:51:50] the protection.

[1:51:51] >> It It'll only last for one hit.

[1:51:52] >> I have Well, yes, but

[1:51:56] >> so,

[1:51:56] >> but it's better than nothing.

[1:52:01] » Not a bad option for right now.

[1:52:03] >> Yeah.

[1:52:06] » Okay.

[1:52:07] >> And if I don't make a plug for the water

[1:52:09] line in the uh old public works bay, if

[1:52:12] we have uh

[1:52:15] >> Yeah. snow and aren't able to wash off

[1:52:17] those vehicles.

[1:52:18] >> Why isn't that under snowplow budget?

[1:52:20] Cuz the mayor told me to put it there.

[1:52:22] So, I did what he

[1:52:23] >> It's a building. It's a building thing.

[1:52:25] It's not a snowplow thing. It's a

[1:52:26] building thing.

[1:52:27] >> It's just used by the snow.

[1:52:30] >> You need to protect the

[1:52:33] chairs. I'm I'm sorry. We might have to

[1:52:35] keep our tacky chairs.

[1:52:39] » All right.

[1:52:40] >> Cabinet shelf. I'd say the 500 bucks is

[1:52:42] worth it.

[1:52:43] >> Yeah.

[1:52:44] I can make something for that

[1:52:46] maybe.

[1:52:47] >> Is that also

[1:52:49] >> one

[1:52:49] >> guys is serving it now? I think

[1:52:52] something I think I think I think a

[1:52:55] couple hours in the shop there's

[1:52:58] >> trip to IKEA.

[1:52:59] >> IKEA.

[1:53:00] >> Hey,

[1:53:02] what?

[1:53:02] >> So, we've already pre-approved the

[1:53:04] purchase of emergency radio

[1:53:05] communications. Correct, Ben?

[1:53:08] >> The radio?

[1:53:09] >> Yes.

[1:53:10] >> Yep. That's on last year's budget

[1:53:12] actually, but it's been pushed forward

[1:53:13] to the current year, which has already

[1:53:15] been authorized. So, it just needs to be

[1:53:17] transacted,

[1:53:18] >> right?

[1:53:19] >> So, we need to decide on the bulletproof

[1:53:20] glass.

[1:53:22] >> Wait, still there's one more thing I

[1:53:24] want to say about the cabinets. We don't

[1:53:25] have a place to put the equipment, the

[1:53:27] ham radio equipment yet.

[1:53:29] >> Is that correct?

[1:53:30] >> Audio equipment going to handle the ham

[1:53:32] radio equipment as well?

[1:53:34] >> Oh, that's a conversation you need to

[1:53:37] talk with uh Brett about. We have an uh

[1:53:40] we have a few plans for the current um

[1:53:44] room that is next to my office um that

[1:53:48] holds that fridge as well as all of the

[1:53:51] sirens and all of the networking.

[1:53:54] >> Uh we're looking to redo some of that

[1:53:56] work and that's probably where that

[1:53:58] radio's system would reside.

[1:54:00] >> Keep that in mind. Okay,

[1:54:02] >> Janet, if if you're looking at

[1:54:04] bulletproof glass, my suggestion would

[1:54:06] be to do the offices

[1:54:08] because the the reception area doesn't

[1:54:10] have a lot of people in it and somebody

[1:54:13] can just come by and shoot into the

[1:54:15] office where the people are. That would

[1:54:17] be a first priority rather than the

[1:54:20] reception glass and maybe that leave

[1:54:22] that for another year.

[1:54:23] >> You can put security film on that glass

[1:54:25] so they can't break it and walk in,

[1:54:27] which would be a very useful tool if

[1:54:29] it's not going to be bulletproof. You

[1:54:30] can put a very inexpensive film on there

[1:54:33] that makes it breach proof.

[1:54:35] >> That's what a lot of the schools are

[1:54:36] putting.

[1:54:36] >> So it'll buy you time to escape or get

[1:54:41] your gun fight back.

[1:54:43] >> Yeah. So I think we still since we don't ne we're not approving exactly

[1:54:48] numbers today just concept. So I say we

[1:54:50] put next there.

[1:54:51] >> Does anybody object is what I'm asking.

[1:54:53] Does anybody object? Okay.

[1:54:56] >> And what would I shift that number to?

[1:54:59] uh loosely.

[1:55:01] >> Let's just sleep

[1:55:02] >> a lot a lot less.

[1:55:03] >> I'm going to say we leave it there.

[1:55:05] Leave it at the 12 right now.

[1:55:07] >> I mean,

[1:55:08] >> we can adjust it.

[1:55:09] >> Yeah. Sale spent north of 50 on theirs.

[1:55:12] >> Yeah.

[1:55:12] >> Okay. So, what's what's left?

[1:55:15] >> I know that one. We'll come back to that

[1:55:17] one. What else is left? Is there

[1:55:18] anything?

[1:55:20] And how we still have money left, you

[1:55:22] guys?

[1:55:22] >> What?

[1:55:23] >> So, so number two is replace the the

[1:55:26] HBAC repairs. We have enough for a for a used helicopter.

[1:55:32] >> So

[1:55:32] >> yeah, we have what what about the ATF?

[1:55:34] >> Can I can I give you my opinion? I'm

[1:55:37] going to whether you like it or not.

[1:55:38] >> I think we need that.

[1:55:39] >> Um

[1:55:39] >> please hostile.

[1:55:41] >> We we have money in a emergency fund.

[1:55:45] >> Yes.

[1:55:46] >> Um if the if if we're not ready to

[1:55:48] budget for a new HVAC and just get it

[1:55:51] done, if we're going to wait till it to

[1:55:53] fail, that's an emergency fund dollar

[1:55:55] amount. In my opinion,

[1:55:56] >> it's

[1:55:57] >> I think we should get it done.

[1:55:59] >> It's only 8200. I think we should get it

[1:56:01] done

[1:56:01] >> cuz that's that's the heat and the air

[1:56:04] and it's going it's already getting to

[1:56:06] be over 80° and it's only

[1:56:08] >> Okay. So, it's not not working.

[1:56:11] >> Did you say it's working? It's just

[1:56:14] remember

[1:56:15] >> it's on leg.

[1:56:16] >> It's on its last leg.

[1:56:17] >> She has to go outside to turn it on.

[1:56:20] >> So, we go outside and we turn it. So

[1:56:22] >> there's there I would rather spend five

[1:56:24] grand to get our ducting working and

[1:56:28] deal with the compressor when it fails

[1:56:31] than I would to buy and put a new

[1:56:33] compressor in, right? You know, and and

[1:56:35] plans.

[1:56:35] >> That's fine.

[1:56:37] >> I'd rather get new carpet, too, for you.

[1:56:40] >> And we can do better this time. I do

[1:56:42] this all the time.

[1:56:46] >> Um, so what's left?

[1:56:48] >> What What do we have left?

[1:56:50] >> So,

[1:56:52] repainting, which I think is we can do

[1:56:55] in a much better, cheaper way there. So,

[1:56:57] recarpeting, we've got replace uh the

[1:57:00] retaining wall. Um, we've got the HVAC

[1:57:04] system, we've got the audio in the large

[1:57:06] multi-purpose room, and we have the

[1:57:10] building signage, and it sounds like

[1:57:11] that's already in road, so don't worry

[1:57:13] about that. um replacing the city center

[1:57:16] with LEDs, the backup generator cable,

[1:57:19] um and then new chairs.

[1:57:21] >> What about new chairs? I mean, Jody did

[1:57:23] bring

[1:57:23] >> We don't know about that. That that

[1:57:24] backup generator cable what that's going

[1:57:27] is that the 25,000

[1:57:29] >> and then on the one up above um the

[1:57:32] retaining wall and we had 80,000 to

[1:57:34] replace it, but do we have a bid for how

[1:57:38] much it would?

[1:57:39] >> So Ted is going to get in this year's

[1:57:42] budget. He's going to get the geotech

[1:57:44] engineer.

[1:57:44] >> We already talked about that.

[1:57:46] >> Yeah, I I know. I just wanted to make

[1:57:47] sure that if we needed to put it in two

[1:57:49] separate spots,

[1:57:50] >> we need to add the dist the distribution

[1:57:53] box to that 25,000.

[1:57:56] >> Yeah, because it's the cable and

[1:57:57] distribution box.

[1:57:58] >> I see.

[1:57:59] >> Well, be careful. That 25,000 currently

[1:58:02] is to help actually get the booster

[1:58:05] uh operational with Aaron's generator.

[1:58:08] >> Correct.

[1:58:09] >> Distribution box. It could actually do

[1:58:11] this building.

[1:58:13] Correct. But so with the 25,000 alone,

[1:58:17] we get the booster up and running.

[1:58:19] >> Um, which then

[1:58:21] >> provides us

[1:58:22] >> Yeah. But that the the likelihood of

[1:58:25] needing the booster is lower.

[1:58:28] >> Yeah. It's not a bunch of

[1:58:29] >> what we need. We need to be here

[1:58:32] handling.

[1:58:33] >> It's not a priority till it is.

[1:58:35] >> This is our EOC.

[1:58:36] >> Yeah.

[1:58:37] >> It has to have

[1:58:38] >> Yeah, that's fine. So what would I

[1:58:40] change the number from 25,000 to what

[1:58:44] the cable and the box? 30,000.

[1:58:46] >> Yeah.

[1:58:49] >> And then we just put cable and box.

[1:58:52] >> So that we make sure it says cable and

[1:58:53] box.

[1:58:55] >> Give it an X. Ben, does anybody object?

[1:58:59] >> We we need to do something to deal with

[1:59:00] an emergency.

[1:59:02] >> Yeah, we have a duty. Safety, right?

[1:59:05] >> Absolutely.

[1:59:08] >> Okay. Okay. Um I I want the signage.

[1:59:10] >> It's fine. Throw the signage in there.

[1:59:12] >> I think I say we do the signage.

[1:59:14] >> Building signage is already in the roads

[1:59:16] budget, you guys.

[1:59:18] >> We don't need it.

[1:59:21] >> Just put an X.

[1:59:23] >> Yeah, do an X

[1:59:27] >> and remove the red.

[1:59:29] >> I like the red.

[1:59:31] >> He likes the red. Okay.

[1:59:35] >> All right. Um,

[1:59:37] what else? So, go back up. Scroll up.

[1:59:42] What about chairs? That was 1,600. But

[1:59:44] >> I I'm okay with that because Jod has to

[1:59:48] I'm I'm okay with that.

[1:59:50] >> Yeah,

[1:59:50] >> we don't use that room that often, but

[1:59:53] >> then they'll last a long time. I could

[1:59:56] potentially

[1:59:59] when we have a meeting, we can take the

[2:00:00] ones out of the training room, put them

[2:00:03] in there, and then move them back after

[2:00:05] every meeting. Exactly.

[2:00:06] >> That's That's ignorant. I'm I'm sorry.

[2:00:08] That's just dumb.

[2:00:09] >> It's 1,600. We're okay.

[2:00:11] >> I say we got the chairs.

[2:00:12] >> Um All right. So, now we have to

[2:00:15] prioritize. We've got just a few things.

[2:00:18] >> So, go ahead.

[2:00:19] >> Can we change the paint budget to like

[2:00:21] 10 12,000? And even if that's Toby with

[2:00:24] >> Well, again, yeah. What will he do in a

[2:00:27] I'm thinking of what will he do in a

[2:00:28] year and we and we just do it in

[2:00:30] >> Oh, yeah. Do a little bit.

[2:00:32] >> Just do a little bit. Same with the

[2:00:33] carpeting. We do 10,000 in carpeting

[2:00:36] every year and we're replacing

[2:00:38] >> section.

[2:00:39] >> Don't you want it to match?

[2:00:42] >> Um I mean, even

[2:00:45] commercial carpet does not go out of

[2:00:47] style very quickly.

[2:00:50] I mean, even 25,000.

[2:00:52] >> I just don't want a patchwork of carpet

[2:00:54] that's different colors. That's tacky.

[2:00:57] >> That's different for paint. But

[2:00:58] >> hey, do we have in the budget for um you

[2:01:01] know, bug spray spray for box elder

[2:01:03] bugs? Can we have that?

[2:01:07] >> Spray bugs.

[2:01:08] >> I like Sher stinking.

[2:01:14] » Sherry, sorry.

[2:01:17] And are we repainting because the

[2:01:18] painting is bad or we're just tired of

[2:01:20] the taupe color?

[2:01:21] >> It's been here since 2009. And so my

[2:01:24] house

[2:01:24] >> um to answer your question, it is

[2:01:29] splotchy, right? We have attempted to

[2:01:31] make touch-ups and the touch-ups

[2:01:33] highlight.

[2:01:34] Um there's also a massive difference in

[2:01:37] each room of the different tones and so

[2:01:40] doing any touch-up is extremely

[2:01:43] difficult.

[2:01:44] >> Well, guess what? I'm okay with that.

[2:01:46] >> We've had this color so long. Beige is

[2:01:48] back in, baby.

[2:01:49] >> Exactly.

[2:01:50] >> Right.

[2:01:54] » The carpet's back in.

[2:01:55] >> So, I'm I'm all for a $10,000

[2:01:58] allocation.

[2:01:58] >> Anybody opposed?

[2:02:00] >> That's the way to go.

[2:02:01] >> Okay.

[2:02:02] >> I'm fine. Are you guys good with the

[2:02:03] repaint with a 10,000 allocation?

[2:02:05] >> Yeah, absolutely.

[2:02:06] >> Um, so HVAC,

[2:02:08] >> let's hit Well, hold on. Let's hit the

[2:02:10] carpet. Are we going to do anything with

[2:02:11] the carpet?

[2:02:12] >> Yeah, he put it in as 25. He changed it.

[2:02:14] may have changed it, but are we, you

[2:02:17] know, do

[2:02:18] >> we're to 43,000.

[2:02:20] >> Yeah, we're running out.

[2:02:21] >> Yeah. So, now we're getting to the

[2:02:23] nitty-gritty. I I'm a

[2:02:24] >> I think I think for 25 we could do

[2:02:27] everything on that side of the door.

[2:02:29] >> Not have to worry about this side of the

[2:02:30] door.

[2:02:31] >> We can do this side later.

[2:02:33] >> Yeah. Especially when those casin

[2:02:37] sections put city offices and that would

[2:02:41] um How about one, Jody? What's your

[2:02:44] opinion? Which of what's left? What's

[2:02:46] the most priority to you?

[2:02:49] >> This is your budget.

[2:02:50] >> We'll put an X there, too.

[2:02:51] >> No, I mean,

[2:02:52] >> it's the council's budget.

[2:02:54] >> It's not my budget.

[2:02:55] >> I know, but it's

[2:02:56] >> your request that the mayor told you to

[2:02:58] request.

[2:02:59] >> Would you would you request the HVAC

[2:03:01] repairs and replacement o over

[2:03:06] >> I'm going to hard pass that one.

[2:03:07] >> Well, I'm I'm I'm into saying change

[2:03:10] that to repairing the ducting.

[2:03:14] So that our compressor

[2:03:15] >> $5,000 to repair the ducting and if the

[2:03:18] compressor goes out, we'll pull it out

[2:03:20] of the emergency fund.

[2:03:21] >> Yeah,

[2:03:22] >> that's what it's there for. I'm in

[2:03:24] agreement with that.

[2:03:24] >> I'm okay with that.

[2:03:25] >> I like it. I like to use a telet.

[2:03:27] >> Yep. Right.

[2:03:30] >> I don't know how to spell baffled, so

[2:03:31] we'll deal with that later.

[2:03:33] >> OD, not ULD, but that's okay.

[2:03:35] >> All right. My opinion would be the

[2:03:38] carpet in the hallway and unfortunately

[2:03:41] the training room are the worst, but

[2:03:43] they'll probably always be the worst.

[2:03:46] >> Um because our fire people come up low,

[2:03:50] go in there, their boots are covered

[2:03:52] with junk and everything like that.

[2:03:54] >> Um

[2:03:56] product

[2:03:57] >> is Yeah, I was going to say what about

[2:03:58] like a laminate.

[2:03:59] >> They're the only ones looking at those

[2:04:00] laminates are really nice.

[2:04:01] >> Really nice and they hold up well. Yeah,

[2:04:05] I maybe

[2:04:06] >> Well, maybe just refloor.

[2:04:08] >> I I'm okay with waiting.

[2:04:12] We get it clean good and see how we go.

[2:04:15] Maybe another year. Okay. So, what else

[2:04:17] is left then?

[2:04:22] » Um, we're really

[2:04:24] >> we've got some flooring options. We've

[2:04:26] got the retaining wall. We've got the

[2:04:28] audio system

[2:04:31] >> and the LEDs.

[2:04:33] Yeah.

[2:04:33] >> And necessarily we don't have to burn

[2:04:36] the whole thing. We could say, okay,

[2:04:37] 38,000 is now headed

[2:04:40] >> to um, you know, a capital outlay for

[2:04:44] fire, right? Or a capital outlay for

[2:04:48] basically dumping it into a savings

[2:04:49] account.

[2:04:50] >> Exactly.

[2:04:51] >> Yeah. I'll suspend it. Just engineer

[2:04:55] >> falling apart.

[2:04:57] >> You need money to fix that.

[2:04:59] >> That's That's what they for. Yeah.

[2:05:02] >> How about you have

[2:05:04] >> Well, we plan to

[2:05:05] >> We don't have to finalize it all tonight

[2:05:07] anyway. I think we just stop here for

[2:05:09] now.

[2:05:10] >> Send it all back to us now and then we

[2:05:12] have time to kind of ponder it.

[2:05:14] >> We can look at it some more. But let's end here. Um

[2:05:18] >> I'm also going to propose that we take a

[2:05:19] five minute break,

[2:05:21] >> stretch, go potty, and then we'll go

[2:05:23] back

[2:05:24] >> and we will resume

[2:05:25] >> shifts.

[2:05:27] >> Yes.

[2:05:28] >> No, you're good.

[2:05:31] Okay. Um,

[2:05:33] >> yeah,

[2:05:34] >> that's why I'm here.

[2:05:36] >> We need 50 bucks in there for

[2:05:38] >> We need to get rolling

[2:05:39] >> in the men's.

[2:05:41] >> Yes.

[2:05:42] >> Uh, is there anything else any of you

[2:05:45] guys need from me or my contributions

[2:05:46] would be assistive or helpful?

[2:05:49] >> Um, I think you're good. Are we having a

[2:05:52] closed end here?

[2:05:54] >> No.

[2:05:55] >> I have nothing.

[2:05:56] >> Okay. Uh, we might.

[2:05:58] >> We might. I was thinking that we might

[2:06:00] just text you.

[2:06:02] >> If you do, text me and then I can

[2:06:04] rejoin, but if not, uh,

[2:06:06] >> I'm gonna go hit the beach with my short

[2:06:08] people. So,

[2:06:10] >> have fun.

[2:06:11] >> Thank you all. Appreciate you. Bye bye.

[2:06:13] >> Thanks.

[2:06:14] >> See you.

[2:06:14] >> All right, we're gonna move on to number

[2:06:17] two.

[2:06:22] Did Did um I looked at them all. Did any

[2:06:24] Did anybody have any questions on the

[2:06:26] financials? I actually already asked the

[2:06:28] questions that I had. I emailed Jod and

[2:06:30] asked her some questions. Um,

[2:06:34] so one of my questions was there was a

[2:06:36] $2,000 for our it, but it is a,000 a

[2:06:40] month. That's the contract. It was just

[2:06:43] we paid for two months. So, so it wasn't

[2:06:46] that it was 2,000 this month. It was two

[2:06:48] months worth. So, that was a question

[2:06:50] that I had. Um, and were there any other

[2:06:54] questions? Is everybody good there? Mhm.

[2:06:56] >> Okay. And

[2:06:57] >> just a reminder, this one doesn't

[2:06:59] reflect the changes you guys made with

[2:07:01] the March 10th amended budget. Those

[2:07:03] will come in your March financials.

[2:07:05] >> Okay.

[2:07:06] >> Yeah.

[2:07:06] >> All right. Ted, update on city grants.

[2:07:10] >> Um,

[2:07:15] » so we submitted two grants. Uh, one was

[2:07:19] to through Burgess Owen's office for a

[2:07:21] community project funding grant. Um that

[2:07:25] one I did hear back from them. Uh

[2:07:27] generally they we sent it we submitted a

[2:07:30] grant for uh a request of 3.9 million

[2:07:34] with a match money from us but the

[2:07:36] request was 3.9 million. Um they asked

[2:07:39] us to reduce that number um which I

[2:07:42] figured they might. So we reduced it

[2:07:43] down. I gave him three different phases

[2:07:45] of what we could do is this is for

[2:07:47] waterline replacement over here on this

[2:07:48] side of the street. Um I think the

[2:07:50] request finally went in ultimately at

[2:07:52] 2.4. 4 million. Um I heard back from

[2:07:55] them. They said that uh they they are

[2:07:59] taking 20 uh applications to get to get

[2:08:03] try and get funded at the federal level.

[2:08:05] Ours went as priority number four out of

[2:08:07] the 20.

[2:08:08] >> So then

[2:08:10] >> so it's it's it's it's I don't think

[2:08:12] last year we made it to go back to

[2:08:13] Congress. So So there's a a good he's

[2:08:18] really pushed it. Devon is the guy I

[2:08:19] worked with that he's going to really

[2:08:21] try to push our

[2:08:21] >> And I know that I sent you that note

[2:08:23] from um Senator Curtis's office that

[2:08:26] said they have a similar um but a

[2:08:29] similar grant program that for the

[2:08:31] Senate and that she's going to be

[2:08:33] sending his office is going to be

[2:08:35] sending me that information as soon as

[2:08:37] it's available and we can also apply for

[2:08:40] that as part of it. A different but it

[2:08:42] comes from a different funding stream.

[2:08:44] >> Right. Right. So, uh so that one's in.

[2:08:47] We'll just wait to hear on that one. And

[2:08:48] then we submitted a grant to the Utah

[2:08:51] Outdoor Recreation uh grant committee u

[2:08:56] for a pickle ball court. Um and that's

[2:08:59] to get a grant to put a pickle ball

[2:09:00] court up at the park and just waiting to

[2:09:02] hear on that one. A grant got submitted.

[2:09:04] >> Um super competitive,

[2:09:07] >> super competitive. I mean, we'll do the

[2:09:08] pickleball court if we get a grant. If

[2:09:10] we don't get a grant, you probably won't do a pickle ball court.

[2:09:13] >> Um but uh it is kind of competitive. We

[2:09:16] got some good feedback on the grant

[2:09:17] application, so we'll see how it goes.

[2:09:19] >> Really competitive.

[2:09:20] >> Yeah.

[2:09:21] >> Okay. Anything else? Selling engine 192.

[2:09:26] >> That is that Brian?

[2:09:28] >> That's Brian.

[2:09:30] >> Okay. So, I've asked to put this on here

[2:09:33] because we are looking at a considerable

[2:09:35] sum that we should be receiving for

[2:09:38] selling that. And so, we need to vote on

[2:09:40] it. Um,

[2:09:42] >> and we've talked about it a little bit,

[2:09:44] but does anybody have any questions?

[2:09:45] Would you put it on the auction?

[2:09:47] >> So, it won't it will not go on the

[2:09:48] auction site. It will it will most

[2:09:50] likely go on there are a few sites out

[2:09:53] there that

[2:09:55] have uh that that really cater to this

[2:09:59] type of equipment and and we'll get our

[2:10:01] best return for it. Um, there's one site

[2:10:05] that'll actually come out and send a

[2:10:06] professional photographer and and

[2:10:09] everything else if we decide to do that.

[2:10:11] I'm getting their terms and conditions.

[2:10:13] So, we'll talk we'll talk through that.

[2:10:15] Um, but it will go on. We'll we're going

[2:10:19] to list it and what we're, you know, the

[2:10:23] thing to that we have to balance is how

[2:10:25] fast do we want it to move and how much

[2:10:28] do we want to get out of it. the the the

[2:10:30] faster it moves, the less we're going to

[2:10:32] get out of it.

[2:10:32] >> Well, we're not in a huge hurry, right?

[2:10:34] >> We're not in a huge hurry other than

[2:10:36] we'll need to pay back the

[2:10:38] >> the ambulance when that when that

[2:10:40] happens,

[2:10:40] >> but we haven't found one of those yet.

[2:10:42] >> We haven't found one of those yet. So,

[2:10:43] it'll it'll be that question. I've not

[2:10:45] posted it yet. I need to have this vote

[2:10:48] um per our ordinance to actually post

[2:10:52] that. So, I've kind of been doing the

[2:10:53] research, getting, you know, estimates

[2:10:56] on it and things like that, and then

[2:10:58] we'll just have to determine what we

[2:10:59] want to list it for rather than uh an

[2:11:02] auction because we could end up with

[2:11:05] very little out of it. And a lot of the sites you see where they're

[2:11:09] selling them for next to nothing and

[2:11:12] then other sites they're selling them

[2:11:13] for huge amounts of money. Um, it's it's

[2:11:16] a a very desirable vehicle because it's

[2:11:19] four-wheel drive and it's a pumper. Um,

[2:11:22] >> are those more rare?

[2:11:23] >> Yes. Um, low mileage and things like

[2:11:26] that. So, it's um it is a desirable

[2:11:30] >> truck. What's the high lows roughly?

[2:11:33] >> Um, so I I've seen as the estimates go

[2:11:38] up to um $240,000.

[2:11:43] Um, I saw one that's very similar to it

[2:11:47] that they have listed for 350, but

[2:11:49] there's no way they're going to get that

[2:11:50] cuz there's nothing else out there for

[2:11:52] that kind of money.

[2:11:53] >> So, that's like a

[2:11:54] >> I think we're going to be

[2:11:56] 200 or we're going to probably be less

[2:11:58] than 200, but probably in that I'm

[2:12:00] hoping to get that neighborhood if we

[2:12:01] can hold it for long enough. Um, and uh

[2:12:07] and and find the right right people to

[2:12:08] get it

[2:12:09] >> with a a dry western United States. That

[2:12:12] might be

[2:12:12] >> Yeah, that's true. It's good selling it,

[2:12:15] but it might be a good time to sell it.

[2:12:16] >> It's a It's a structure engine. I mean,

[2:12:18] yes, but it's a structure engine. So,

[2:12:19] it's it's more I mean, other than the

[2:12:21] four-wheel drive, it's great for

[2:12:23] mountain communities and and rural

[2:12:25] communities, but it's a structure

[2:12:26] engine. It's not really a wild engine.

[2:12:29] >> Ted, do we have any concerns with

[2:12:30] selling it? Like, does it leave us short

[2:12:32] in any way?

[2:12:34] >> No, I don't think so. Um, so we've now

[2:12:36] got the two uh structure engines, right?

[2:12:38] had the new one we just got a few years

[2:12:39] ago plus this one that we've had. It's a

[2:12:42] 200

[2:12:44] >> eight eight or nine. I can't remember if

[2:12:45] it's eight or nine. Um so, um we've

[2:12:49] generally always just had one engine for

[2:12:51] our community except for when we bother.

[2:12:53] We hung on to this one primarily because

[2:12:55] we're EMAC contract program with the

[2:12:57] state and we thought well if our other

[2:12:58] one could go out on EMACs and make us

[2:13:00] some money, we'd have this one in town

[2:13:02] to cover. But in the four years that

[2:13:05] we've been doing EMAC, we've been on one

[2:13:07] EMAC deployment. So, it's it's like it's

[2:13:09] kind of not worth the value of keeping

[2:13:11] it and

[2:13:12] >> the maintenance and the insurance

[2:13:14] >> maintenance and then all that stuff.

[2:13:15] Plus, um if something were to happen in

[2:13:18] our city, we've still got our structure

[2:13:19] engine plus we've got four other

[2:13:21] communities coming. Uh

[2:13:23] >> that's what I say. We have the

[2:13:24] interlocal agreements.

[2:13:25] >> Got the interlocal mutual aid agreement.

[2:13:27] So Spanish would come with two engines,

[2:13:28] Salem with two engines, PAC's coming,

[2:13:30] Elkridge, we've got all these

[2:13:31] communities that'll be bringing engines

[2:13:33] and just like we do to them to agree.

[2:13:35] >> The only concern I could see is

[2:13:40] when this truck gets to a certain age,

[2:13:44] ISO says we need to get a new one or get

[2:13:46] this one rebuilt. Um, we could have one

[2:13:50] sitting there already. There are options

[2:13:53] where you can actually lease one while

[2:13:55] you're getting yours done or we order

[2:13:57] another another engine and do this do

[2:14:00] the same same kind of thing. We'll have

[2:14:01] to do an investigation on on what that takes cuz a rebuild is really

[2:14:05] expensive. It takes a long time.

[2:14:07] >> Um and we just they determined before it

[2:14:10] was better just to buy a new truck. So

[2:14:12] we just do that investigation when that

[2:14:13] time comes. Um

[2:14:15] >> well we need an ambulance that works all

[2:14:17] the time more than we need a backup. So,

[2:14:19] just on on that, um Saturday we went

[2:14:24] down to Hanks Ranch. You probably saw Ted's post. Um when I got

[2:14:29] back from Hanks, I needed to fill up the

[2:14:31] gas in the the pump on that truck. Um

[2:14:35] so, I went to go get some gloves out of

[2:14:37] the ambulance and there was a light on

[2:14:40] inside the ambulance and I couldn't get

[2:14:41] it to go off and the charger wasn't

[2:14:44] working. Um, and I spent a couple hours

[2:14:47] down here trying to figure this thing

[2:14:49] out, going through it, making phone

[2:14:50] calls.

[2:14:52] Don't know how I got it to work, but I

[2:14:54] got it to work. I reset everything and

[2:14:55] it finally started working again. Um, I

[2:14:58] actually had to remove a light because

[2:15:00] it won't shut off and it's draining the

[2:15:02] battery and we've had that thing. We

[2:15:03] just put batteries in it because it

[2:15:05] didn't start the other day. Um, so we're

[2:15:08] I'm I'm seeing more and more problems.

[2:15:10] And for us to sell it, you know, that's

[2:15:13] like a $6,000 inverter that's inside of

[2:15:15] there, $3 to $6,000.

[2:15:18] And for us to sell it without that, it's

[2:15:20] going to, you know, decrease that value.

[2:15:22] Um, so I I we really need to jump on

[2:15:25] this sooner sooner than later. Um, we're

[2:15:28] cons I'm continually having issues with

[2:15:30] that ambulance. Um, and and trying to

[2:15:34] keep it roadworthy.

[2:15:35] >> I have a question for you. Um Ted, when

[2:15:38] we bought the new fire engine, we were

[2:15:40] also going to start a capital fund for

[2:15:43] replacement of a new fire engine in the

[2:15:45] future, but we got rid of a lot of our

[2:15:48] capital project for a road. So, are we

[2:15:51] no longer saving money for the fire

[2:15:54] truck?

[2:15:54] >> Talked about the leases. Yeah. At

[2:15:56] >> So, we can either switch to a leisure

[2:15:57] like this right now, it's just on a we

[2:15:59] got bond for it, we're just paying bond.

[2:16:01] So, I just wanted to make sure that

[2:16:02] everybody knows that when we talk about

[2:16:04] all of these different moving parts that

[2:16:06] we have changed our mind through the

[2:16:09] last few years on how we might have a

[2:16:11] fire engine and keep one in in town all

[2:16:14] the time and it's a safety issue. We

[2:16:16] don't want anyone to be concerned that

[2:16:18] we're we won't have service if we sell

[2:16:20] one,

[2:16:21] >> right? No. No. We will never go without

[2:16:23] service in our city.

[2:16:24] >> Yeah.

[2:16:25] >> I just wanted to make sure that in case

[2:16:27] anyone's listening or wants to listen.

[2:16:29] Hey, awesome. Any other questions?

[2:16:32] >> I have a question. Because it's such a

[2:16:35] unique vehicle, I'm wondering if you

[2:16:38] maybe want to contact if it's decided,

[2:16:41] yes, you're selling, contact like Park

[2:16:43] City and Chemist and some of and and

[2:16:45] then smaller communities that are

[2:16:46] similar to us

[2:16:48] and not have to pay the fee.

[2:16:50] >> Well, we can we're we can list it for

[2:16:53] free on on many places as well. So there

[2:16:56] not all of them require require those

[2:16:59] kind of fees. So that's all I'm I'm

[2:17:01] investigating going through all of that

[2:17:02] trying to figure out the best option for

[2:17:04] us. There's sites that'll buy it

[2:17:06] straight from us and then they resell

[2:17:08] them.

[2:17:08] >> So there's lots of options and I can't

[2:17:11] make a decision until

[2:17:12] >> Do you need a youth group to have a

[2:17:14] class on how to detail a vehicle?

[2:17:18] >> Cuz you know whatever.

[2:17:20] >> We actually keep our vehicles really

[2:17:22] clean. You'll find that um our fire

[2:17:24] department and a lot of fire

[2:17:26] departments, but ours I think in

[2:17:27] particular um we we care about that

[2:17:30] equipment. We all know that's defending

[2:17:33] us and we take really good care of it.

[2:17:36] So they're in pretty good shape.

[2:17:37] >> I like your idea. We maybe have a youth

[2:17:39] activ.

[2:17:42] >> Yeah.

[2:17:43] >> Okay. Um we're going to go to department

[2:17:45] reports and a reminder five minutes or

[2:17:47] less.

[2:17:50] » Yeah. I really I mean you guys have

[2:17:52] heard enough from me tonight. Uh public

[2:17:54] works I don't know that I got any

[2:17:55] updates right on public work side

[2:17:58] fireside uh our wild fire crew is still

[2:18:00] in Nebraska and uh they'll be there

[2:18:03] through their full deployment which ends

[2:18:04] I think this weekend unless they request

[2:18:06] them for an extension. Um but at the

[2:18:09] same time while while our crews been up

[2:18:11] there Texas has also been requesting

[2:18:12] more people from our state too again.

[2:18:15] So, I think it's going to be a busy

[2:18:17] year. Uh, which is which is bad for the

[2:18:20] fire environment, good for our fire crew

[2:18:21] because it makes the city a bunch of

[2:18:23] money. But, um, so I think I think

[2:18:26] they'll be pretty busy this year. Um, we

[2:18:29] do have, like I said, we've been

[2:18:30] coordinating some, uh, mitigation work

[2:18:32] in the city as well with chipper days

[2:18:34] and the states been coordinating some

[2:18:35] stuff. So, continue to work through that

[2:18:37] with them through some agreements and

[2:18:38] stuff like that.

[2:18:38] >> When do you think we'll be able to

[2:18:40] announce the date for the spring chipper

[2:18:42] days?

[2:18:43] >> I've been talking. lets me be.

[2:18:45] >> I tell the residents we usually do it

[2:18:46] sometime towards the middle to end of

[2:18:49] May or beginning of June. That's what

[2:18:51] I've been telling. Is that maybe the

[2:18:53] same possibility? Keep telling them

[2:18:55] that.

[2:18:55] >> But keep remembering that if the county

[2:18:58] crew gets called off.

[2:19:00] >> Yeah. They don't come.

[2:19:01] >> They're not going to be here. And so you have to have a way to get rid of

[2:19:05] those branches possibly yourselves.

[2:19:07] >> Yep.

[2:19:08] >> They're already

[2:19:09] >> Do you want them to start Do you want

[2:19:11] citizens to start um

[2:19:13] >> No. doing it now. We'll send an

[2:19:15] announcement. We'll make to make sure.

[2:19:17] Well, I know

[2:19:18] >> there have been several doing it.

[2:19:20] >> Yeah, I've seen several of them doing

[2:19:21] it.

[2:19:21] >> With the good weather we've had this

[2:19:23] year, I think people are getting

[2:19:24] excited. They're out clearing their

[2:19:25] lots, which I mean, it's a good thing

[2:19:27] they're clearing their lots, right? Um,

[2:19:29] usually if they call us, Jody's going to

[2:19:30] tell them stack it back away from the

[2:19:32] street for now

[2:19:33] >> and then when we get ready for at bring

[2:19:35] it out to the street, but stack it

[2:19:37] somewhere away from the street right

[2:19:38] now. That's what we tell them. Although

[2:19:39] not everybody calls.

[2:19:40] >> That's a fire hazard, too. Stacking all

[2:19:42] that. Yeah.

[2:19:44] >> Yep.

[2:19:45] >> Want to clarify because we I've been

[2:19:47] getting quite a few calls.

[2:19:48] >> Yeah. Everyone's excited.

[2:19:50] >> So,

[2:19:51] >> that's all I have unless you have any

[2:19:52] questions.

[2:19:54] >> Lane, anything from code enforcement?

[2:19:58] » Yes, it is.

[2:19:59] >> Just update. I don't have any code

[2:20:02] enforcement, but planning commission has

[2:20:04] finished the review of the general plan

[2:20:07] and uh gave the last segment of it to

[2:20:09] the mayor who's putting it together. I

[2:20:12] know. I think I understand that he's

[2:20:14] given you some of the initial results.

[2:20:16] >> Yeah, we have a section I need to work

[2:20:17] on.

[2:20:19] >> 72 pages worth.

[2:20:21] >> Steve worked hard on it. He he

[2:20:23] >> I sent the mayor some as

[2:20:25] >> our plan is in uh May to have a public

[2:20:28] hearing which will be accumulation of

[2:20:30] all of your comments into it and so

[2:20:34] forth and a final document that will be

[2:20:37] available to the public for them to

[2:20:39] comment should should they want to. So,

[2:20:42] that's the timetable we're on.

[2:20:44] >> Okay. Thank you.

[2:20:47] >> All right. Um, we'll skip the mayor's

[2:20:50] because he's not here and he's trying to

[2:20:52] have a vacation, but I don't know how

[2:20:53] much vacation he's gotten. So, council

[2:20:56] member Hutchkins.

[2:20:58] >> So, I missed our last planning

[2:20:59] commission. I was busy with stuff from

[2:21:02] work and so you heard what my name.

[2:21:06] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Jones. So,

[2:21:10] we're going to be kicking off safety

[2:21:11] meeting. I think we're going to do one

[2:21:13] on the 16th, which is it should be right

[2:21:15] before we start our like

[2:21:20] days. Yeah.

[2:21:20] >> Okay.

[2:21:21] >> Maple days.

[2:21:22] All that stuff.

[2:21:25] >> Yeah. We'll probably

[2:21:26] >> probably have a a safety meeting and

[2:21:29] start some of that stuff, but we'll send

[2:21:31] out an announcement so we're all sure.

[2:21:34] >> Okay. Anything else?

[2:21:37] >> All right. Um, so council member let me

[2:21:40] So newsletter time reminder. I got a

[2:21:43] Wayne's world today. I noticed. So thank

[2:21:46] you. Um, and then

[2:21:48] >> who agreed to this month? Who?

[2:21:50] >> Yeah. Who? Which count?

[2:21:51] >> I have forgotten when I

[2:21:54] >> It's on my computer. I'll send a text.

[2:21:56] >> Send a reminder.

[2:21:57] >> I kind of forget which month is I'm

[2:21:59] supposed to do it.

[2:22:00] >> Yep. I have a I actually have a little

[2:22:02] sticky note somewhere. I'll find it. I

[2:22:04] know where it is. I'll tell you before

[2:22:05] the meeting's over. Um, just when it's

[2:22:07] not my turn. Um, and then thank you,

[2:22:11] Ted. You know what I was thinking? I

[2:22:13] asked last time for the posts up for

[2:22:15] banner for our events. You know why

[2:22:18] that's even more important? And they

[2:22:19] did. It's I noticed on Sunday that the

[2:22:21] posts were up, but when they start

[2:22:23] construction on the roundabout, we're

[2:22:24] going to lose that other spot. So, that

[2:22:27] one's going to be really critical. So,

[2:22:28] thank you.

[2:22:29] >> We'll have to move that other one up

[2:22:30] there, too. I noticed that.

[2:22:33] >> Yeah. So, did a great job.

[2:22:36] >> Yeah. Thank you for that. Um, we do have

[2:22:39] Maple Fest coming up. Uh, that is April

[2:22:42] 18th.

[2:22:43] And so, um, there is the Maple Canyon

[2:22:46] Ward, the primary children at the Maple

[2:22:48] Canyon Ward on April 17th. They're going

[2:22:51] to go up to the park and just clean it

[2:22:52] up. So, they're going to bring garbage

[2:22:54] bags and rakes and gloves and shovels

[2:22:56] and pooper scoopers and they're just

[2:22:59] going to clean up the park and get it

[2:23:00] really nice. Um they requested and Ted

[2:23:03] already we coordinated that to make sure

[2:23:05] the water's on so they can spray off the

[2:23:07] pavilion and everything. They're just

[2:23:08] going to freshen up the park before the

[2:23:10] maple festival. So that's awesome. And

[2:23:12] they're inviting anybody that wants to

[2:23:14] come and help.

[2:23:16] >> What time?

[2:23:17] >> Um I have a flyer, but it's uh 6:30 to

[2:23:20] 7:30 p.m. at the at the city park. And

[2:23:23] if it's longer

[2:23:24] >> 6:30.

[2:23:25] >> Uhhuh.

[2:23:26] >> So Friday, April 17th at 6:30. And they

[2:23:28] gave me a little flyer that I'll put in

[2:23:30] the newsletter and I'll get it posted

[2:23:32] >> because the 18th is the Maple Fest.

[2:23:34] >> Uhhuh. Cuz the 18th is the Maple

[2:23:35] Festival. Um I do have a question on the

[2:23:38] Maple Festival. Uh one of the things

[2:23:40] that Amanda asked me to do was get the

[2:23:42] flag ceremony and I don't know who did

[2:23:44] it last year.

[2:23:46] >> I know we used

[2:23:49] it.

[2:23:50] >> Did the BFW do it last year at

[2:23:52] >> I think it was. Yeah.

[2:23:54] >> I need to

[2:23:55] >> I know they did at the Golden Hills

[2:23:57] days. Hills days they may have been able

[2:23:59] I don't think

[2:24:00] >> you can reach out to Bill Collins cuz he

[2:24:02] was I think involved with that.

[2:24:04] >> Okay.

[2:24:04] >> He's going on a mission though in a

[2:24:06] couple of weeks. So

[2:24:07] >> I know

[2:24:08] >> get a hold of him now and get a contact.

[2:24:10] >> I'll call him tomorrow. Just ask him

[2:24:11] who.

[2:24:12] >> Yeah.

[2:24:12] >> Okay. I can do that. Perfect. And then I

[2:24:17] think that's all. Yeah, that's all I've

[2:24:19] got. So let's see. Let's go to Council

[2:24:23] Member Malovich. Okay. So earlier

[2:24:25] tonight, um, I sent you an email with

[2:24:29] the slide deck of 121 slides that, uh,

[2:24:33] kind of a wrap-up of the legislative

[2:24:35] session. We had a 100, 2016 bills that

[2:24:39] were introduced and numbered. Um, we as

[2:24:43] the Utah League of Cities and Towns in

[2:24:44] Woodland Hills, we tracked 243 of those

[2:24:47] bills and in the end, out of all the

[2:24:50] bills, 541 were passed. Um the slide

[2:24:54] deck I sent you is kind of divides it up

[2:24:56] in uh between the housing and land use

[2:24:59] bills that were we thought were most

[2:25:01] important. All 243 are not on that slide

[2:25:04] deck of 121. Um so housing and land use,

[2:25:08] revenue and taxes, water, economic

[2:25:10] development, elections, homelessness,

[2:25:13] uh public safety, general government,

[2:25:15] and transportation. We they're kind of

[2:25:17] um put into those categories. Um,

[2:25:22] a lot is going on and it will still go

[2:25:24] on. Interim meetings um begin again um

[2:25:28] in they take April off but they begin

[2:25:30] again in May. So we'll be looking to see

[2:25:34] if there's any other changes. Some of

[2:25:36] the things that didn't pass are going to

[2:25:38] be brought back up and we'll start

[2:25:39] seeing those in the committees starting

[2:25:41] in May. Um again like kind of like the

[2:25:44] Jod said, we'll talk about some of them

[2:25:47] at the league meetings and St. George.

[2:25:50] But anyways, when you have a moment, go

[2:25:52] through those slides and if you have any

[2:25:54] questions about them, just contact me.

[2:25:56] >> Thank you for providing those and not

[2:25:58] going through them tonight.

[2:26:01] >> Yes,

[2:26:01] >> there's no way I was going to cuz

[2:26:03] there's no reason there's no reason to.

[2:26:05] They're all passed and well, some of

[2:26:07] them on the slide are showing ones that

[2:26:08] didn't pass. Some of the ones that we

[2:26:10] worked against and didn't pass. And so

[2:26:13] that's al also a good thing to know that

[2:26:15] how many we were able to um report.

[2:26:21] >> Awesome. And you have the I need the

[2:26:22] article from you. I just texted.

[2:26:24] >> Okay. Um and then council member Roden.

[2:26:27] >> Yes. So, uh, last meeting, um, Council

[2:26:32] Member Hutchkins asked a request that I

[2:26:35] work with, um, Nebo, um, Interactive on

[2:26:39] our, uh, uh, digital storage. Uh, that

[2:26:43] would include, um, our council meetings,

[2:26:46] etc. Right now, a lot of our all of our

[2:26:48] backup, I think right now, Jod's on a on

[2:26:49] a physical drive. We've been looking at

[2:26:52] options for um, a cloud service to be

[2:26:56] able to handle that. Um Brett and I

[2:26:59] spoke uh earlier early in last week uh

[2:27:02] we had talked about several different

[2:27:04] solutions. One just getting just for

[2:27:06] those know uh Amazon Web Services AWS

[2:27:09] you can just get what they call an S3

[2:27:10] bucket. It's basically just a storage

[2:27:12] and you just load files there. Easy

[2:27:14] enough, uh, inexpensive enough, but the I wouldn't call them management

[2:27:20] tools, but it's not a great interface if

[2:27:21] you're not used to logging into an AWS

[2:27:24] environment and having all the different

[2:27:26] protocols you need to have just to even

[2:27:27] access an S3 bucket. We do already have

[2:27:30] something called iDrive that that is a

[2:27:32] cloud service. I think he spoke, Brett

[2:27:35] and Jody spoke. um we feel that is an

[2:27:38] adequate solution for now considering

[2:27:40] the amount of storage that we need and

[2:27:41] so we'll be doing a backup uh a backup

[2:27:45] system in in iDrive.

[2:27:46] >> Will that change if if we do all this

[2:27:49] document scanning?

[2:27:50] >> I don't know where the document scanning

[2:27:52] is going to live. I think the document

[2:27:53] scanning actually lives on hard drives

[2:27:55] and then

[2:27:56] >> Okay.

[2:27:57] >> Yeah. So now if we want to move it

[2:27:59] document images are really again easy

[2:28:02] and cheap. Um, it may be something that

[2:28:04] we could do. Um, but that would probably

[2:28:06] not be a service that we'd have UCI do.

[2:28:08] We'd probably do that on our own where

[2:28:10] we would just upload what we get in

[2:28:11] physical storage. So, but that that

[2:28:14] would definitely be something that we

[2:28:15] can look at. And at that point, we might

[2:28:17] have we might exceed what we have in

[2:28:19] iDrive or we might need to move.

[2:28:20] >> Okay. So, thank you. That is my update.

[2:28:23] >> Hey, is there anything for upcoming city

[2:28:25] council meetings that you want to added

[2:28:28] to the agenda? If you think of something

[2:28:30] um like this time Brian just emailed

[2:28:32] over and said what he you know what for

[2:28:34] the sell the track. So if you think of

[2:28:35] something that needs to be added just

[2:28:37] email it over to Ben and Jody we can get

[2:28:40] it added. All right. Um I think we'll

[2:28:42] forego the break. Does anybody need

[2:28:44] another break?

[2:28:46] Okay. So, we will call to order um our

[2:28:50] city council meeting and we'll have an

[2:28:52] invocation by member uh council member

[2:28:55] Steve Johns and then a pledge of

[2:28:57] allegiance by council member Dan.

[2:29:02] » Our father in heaven, we're grateful to

[2:29:04] be able to meet together as a city staff

[2:29:07] and public and discuss the needs of the

[2:29:11] city. We're grateful for the city that

[2:29:12] we live in and for the fellowship that

[2:29:15] we have here living in the city and and

[2:29:18] for all the beauty that we are

[2:29:20] surrounded by. We pray that tonight we

[2:29:22] can be well-guided uh with good

[2:29:25] intentions that benefit

[2:29:28] the city as a whole and and the

[2:29:30] residents and can be and continue to be

[2:29:34] a beacon for for the state and and those

[2:29:37] around us. We pray for these things in

[2:29:39] the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

[2:29:43] >> Please rise for the flag.

[2:29:47] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[2:29:51] United States of America and to the

[2:29:54] republic for which it stands, one nation

[2:29:58] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[2:30:01] justice for all. Thank you.

[2:30:05] >> Can I just say how grateful I am that we

[2:30:07] always do that? I love that. Um, public

[2:30:11] comment two minutes or less. Does anyone

[2:30:14] have any comments?

[2:30:15] >> Doral.

[2:30:16] Hi, Doral.

[2:30:19] >> Hi. I just have two comments about the

[2:30:22] budget. I like I like what you all did

[2:30:25] this evening. That was well done. These

[2:30:27] are these are two important things I'd

[2:30:29] like you to consider.

[2:30:31] I would like the city to cover travel

[2:30:35] and food expenses for any city

[2:30:41] um official or employees that travel to

[2:30:44] training. We need to cover their food

[2:30:47] and their travel expenses. That should

[2:30:49] not be an expense to your individual

[2:30:51] families.

[2:30:52] >> Number number two,

[2:30:55] >> just clarification on that. Are you are

[2:30:57] you saying for even for the council?

[2:30:59] >> Yes. Especially for the council, mayor

[2:31:02] and city employees. If they travel

[2:31:04] somewhere, we need to pay their travel

[2:31:08] and food expenses. That's just what

[2:31:10] anybody does. Even little companies that

[2:31:12] I worked for did that my whole career.

[2:31:15] Uh number two, and and this is

[2:31:17] important. You've had the same salary

[2:31:20] for mayor and council members in the

[2:31:22] city for 20 plus years. It's time to

[2:31:26] change your salaries a little bit. I

[2:31:28] propose that you double the council and

[2:31:31] you double the mayor's salary. That that

[2:31:34] is not a difficult thing to do. It It's

[2:31:38] time. You're also uh you're just

[2:31:41] spending more hours than what you're

[2:31:43] getting for 200 bucks a month or 500

[2:31:45] bucks a month for the mayor. It's time

[2:31:47] to double that. That's my proposal.

[2:31:50] >> Thank you.

[2:31:52] >> It's it's $160 a month,

[2:31:55] >> right? I remember 8762.

[2:31:59] » One time I was at a meeting and

[2:32:01] everybody said, "How much do you make?"

[2:32:03] And there's some that make over a few

[2:32:05] thousand a month being council member

[2:32:06] and they have full staff

[2:32:08] >> from council staff and and so when I

[2:32:11] always raise my hand and tell them what

[2:32:12] we make, everybody laughs for a little

[2:32:14] while. But you know, we we love to serve

[2:32:16] our community and uh

[2:32:19] >> but but it shouldn't be an expense to

[2:32:21] your family. I'll give you a third one,

[2:32:23] too, since I get to talk for just

[2:32:25] another second. I want a new uh a real

[2:32:29] hand towel dispenser in the men's room.

[2:32:33] >> And and a light and a light.

[2:32:35] >> Okay, I'll quit. Thank you.

[2:32:37] >> Thank you, Dorl.

[2:32:40] Anybody else?

[2:32:41] >> Dispenser just need to work.

[2:32:43] >> Sherry, do you have public comments?

[2:32:44] >> I think the one in the women's works

[2:32:45] either

[2:32:54] My comment is brief. Um,

[2:32:58] I was pondering a quote by Ralph Waldo

[2:33:01] Emerson where he says, "In the woods we

[2:33:05] return to faith and reason."

[2:33:10] And I think this applies to Golden Hills

[2:33:13] for sure because we are in the woods.

[2:33:16] and to let you know that the citizens

[2:33:20] who have voted you into the council

[2:33:22] positions that you're in have a great

[2:33:25] deal of faith in you

[2:33:27] and I appreciate personally the

[2:33:30] reasoning process that you all went

[2:33:34] through tonight with regards to the

[2:33:35] budget.

[2:33:37] I have a comment about safety and

[2:33:40] internet that or it perhaps may be

[2:33:43] helpful. Um,

[2:33:47] because the city ordinance codes are in

[2:33:50] a PDF document, you can search them for

[2:33:54] the word safety or whatever. I had

[2:33:57] something, it's happened twice up in my

[2:34:00] neck of the woods where

[2:34:03] there have been three small children

[2:34:05] and I was greatly concerned for their

[2:34:08] safety. Two of them were very small,

[2:34:11] were on tiny wee motorcycles, and the

[2:34:15] other boy I would say is maybe

[2:34:19] 12, 14.

[2:34:21] And

[2:34:23] gosh, if something happened to those

[2:34:25] little boys

[2:34:27] laying it down or not following traffic

[2:34:30] rules, they're supposed to be an adult

[2:34:32] with them. And I think if somehow

[2:34:34] between Steve and safety and Dan and it,

[2:34:40] not only for us as a community, but

[2:34:44] there's a lot of people from out of city

[2:34:46] that come up in my neck of the woods,

[2:34:48] maybe letting Oakidge know or PAC

[2:34:53] Salem

[2:34:55] what we're putting out there to our

[2:34:56] citizens regarding safety and if it

[2:34:59] could just be, you know, a address, a

[2:35:03] website address. I I thought about a

[2:35:05] welcome packet, but who really reads

[2:35:08] paper anymore? You know, it's much

[2:35:11] easier to go to a website with pictures

[2:35:13] and uh descriptions where you can

[2:35:15] actually see the ordinance. So,

[2:35:18] >> we need like a welcome email maybe with

[2:35:19] some links to

[2:35:20] >> Yeah.

[2:35:21] >> some of our city stuff. I've thought

[2:35:22] about that. It's a question of who's

[2:35:24] going to put it together, but

[2:35:26] >> I do think it would be helpful. I I

[2:35:28] still remember my first uh my first

[2:35:31] siren Saturday here and nobody had told

[2:35:34] me and I was home alone and my husband

[2:35:36] was out of town and all the sirens went

[2:35:37] off and it was in June and I I was like

[2:35:41] I called my kids the sirens are going

[2:35:43] off. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. Um

[2:35:46] and I couldn't hear on Broad Hollow. You

[2:35:48] couldn't hear the message. It was all

[2:35:49] garbled. So I didn't know if it was

[2:35:51] saying get out now. I didn't know what

[2:35:53] it was saying. So that was 12 years ago.

[2:35:55] It's gotten a little better packet from

[2:35:59] our district leader.

[2:36:01] >> Never anything from the city and I think

[2:36:04] something could be put together to

[2:36:06] inform our citizens and keep us safe.

[2:36:09] >> Yep.

[2:36:09] >> Thank you.

[2:36:10] >> Yep.

[2:36:10] >> Thank you.

[2:36:11] >> Hey, anybody else?

[2:36:14] >> I I have a protocol question.

[2:36:16] >> Okay.

[2:36:16] >> I have an idea that I want you guys to

[2:36:18] chew on. Do I do it here or do I

[2:36:20] >> You can do it here.

[2:36:20] >> This is the right place.

[2:36:21] >> This is public comment.

[2:36:23] >> You can still be public and

[2:36:24] >> you live here. your public

[2:36:25] >> and a employee. Okay.

[2:36:29] I want to propose that we set up or

[2:36:32] support a certation

[2:36:35] in our city. Now,

[2:36:37] >> I announced that for you last week,

[2:36:39] announcement.

[2:36:39] >> I know, but I want to let you know what

[2:36:41] I'm doing though.

[2:36:42] >> We're we're such a small organiz city

[2:36:44] that I actually want to talk to Elkridge

[2:36:46] and Salem at the same time because they

[2:36:49] don't have a search team to support

[2:36:51] their cities as well. So, I believe I

[2:36:53] can get those other city councils to

[2:36:55] actually um help support and create that

[2:36:58] um organization. And I'm proposing that

[2:37:00] it runs under B Ready Academy because

[2:37:03] most of the other organizations

[2:37:05] throughout Utah County are all run by a

[2:37:07] separate nonprofit organization that

[2:37:09] works directly with the emergency center

[2:37:11] of each city. Um and then that entity

[2:37:16] can actually apply for grants to help

[2:37:19] fund their that organization. U and get

[2:37:22] the equipment they need to support a

[2:37:24] city such as emergency food cooking

[2:37:27] capabilities or tent cap, you know,

[2:37:29] tents and stuff like that that could

[2:37:31] help support us in an emergency. So, I

[2:37:33] just wanted you to chew on that, guys.

[2:37:35] So, I don't I don't know if it was if it

[2:37:37] was part of their cert organization,

[2:37:41] but it was cert members and cert

[2:37:44] equipment. And I've been on a number of fires in other cities where we're

[2:37:48] doing mutual aid

[2:37:49] >> and the CIR members are out there. They

[2:37:51] bring food and water and stuff like that

[2:37:54] >> to our all the firefighters that are out

[2:37:57] there out there.

[2:37:58] >> That's the kind of support I'm talking

[2:37:59] about. Um disaster assessments of areas

[2:38:02] of our city, uh status of community

[2:38:05] members. You can think of them like

[2:38:07] block captains on steroids.

[2:38:10] >> How's that? Um cuz a lot of the wars

[2:38:12] don't have black captains, but

[2:38:13] >> it it's appreciated on a big fire. I

[2:38:15] mean, knock on wood, we don't have

[2:38:17] another one, right?

[2:38:18] >> Um but it was very appreciated on fires

[2:38:21] that we've been on. Um when when we're

[2:38:24] out there for hours, especially in in

[2:38:27] the heat, and then they bring you pizza

[2:38:29] and they got cold drinks and so

[2:38:32] >> it was it was good.

[2:38:33] >> Ready is already working on gathering

[2:38:35] some of that equipment now. Um like I

[2:38:37] have a pot that I can cook 600 um meals

[2:38:40] in one pot. It's 48 gallon pot steel

[2:38:42] jacketed thing that's used for um I need

[2:38:46] to get a steam generator for it but

[2:38:47] other than that um

[2:38:49] >> that's a lot of chili and a lot of other

[2:38:51] food.

[2:38:51] >> Have you talked to like Spanish because

[2:38:53] they've got a serville has a search

[2:38:55] they've been on fire.

[2:38:56] >> So PAC and and Spanish uh are both

[2:38:59] cities that I'm actually working with

[2:39:00] them to help provide training for our

[2:39:02] people.

[2:39:03] So with Elidge, it was a flop when the

[2:39:07] fire happened. I'll just be glimp and

[2:39:09] honest.

[2:39:10] >> They're sir people or

[2:39:11] >> No, they're just their city.

[2:39:12] >> Just everything people

[2:39:15] >> there people. It was a flop. It ended up

[2:39:18] being myself and

[2:39:22] >> MacArthur and David Crack who ended up

[2:39:26] stepping in for Alridge. So

[2:39:29] >> that's

[2:39:30] >> I think it does matter on the on

[2:39:33] >> the support and leadership.

[2:39:35] >> Yes, I agree. So I I'm still going to

[2:39:37] look for somebody actually to run the

[2:39:39] SER program um because I won't be be

[2:39:41] able to do it, but I will work with

[2:39:43] person who would be trained

[2:39:45] >> having it having it go with with the

[2:39:47] city in cooperation with the nonprofit

[2:39:50] because we've had several s groups over

[2:39:52] the years, right? And they kind of come

[2:39:53] like and go like this. We had them

[2:39:55] through through church. We've had them

[2:39:57] through just neighborhoods wanting to do

[2:40:00] it. And so it when that person then

[2:40:03] leaves it goes away. So we need to make

[2:40:05] sure that it's sustainable and it's

[2:40:07] beneficial.

[2:40:09] >> I agree.

[2:40:11] Leaders leadership is everything.

[2:40:13] >> Appreciate the comments. Thank you for

[2:40:15] everybody. Okay. Um so then item number

[2:40:19] 12 is approval of February check

[2:40:22] dispersements.

[2:40:24] Um, does anybody want to make a motion?

[2:40:29] Make a

[2:40:29] >> motion. I'll second

[2:40:32] motion.

[2:40:33] >> Dan Roden.

[2:40:35] >> Carrie was the second. Um, all in favor?

[2:40:39] >> I I

[2:40:41] >> Any opposed

[2:40:44] because we don't have to do a we don't

[2:40:45] have to do a call, roll call, right?

[2:40:48] >> Okay. Um, and then we need to number 13

[2:40:52] is the decision on selling engine 192.

[2:40:55] >> I'll make a motion.

[2:40:57] >> I'll second

[2:40:59] >> to sell it or not to

[2:41:00] >> to sell it.

[2:41:04] Okay. Uh, so all in favor

[2:41:07] >> I

[2:41:09] >> and I. Any opposed?

[2:41:13] Okay, those both of those motions pass.

[2:41:16] Um,

[2:41:18] do we need to go in close session?

[2:41:22] >> You have an update.

[2:41:24] >> Like to see if we have an update.

[2:41:25] >> We have an update. Do we need the mayor

[2:41:27] for the update? Should I text him

[2:41:30] >> or can

[2:41:31] >> Please text him.

[2:41:32] >> I think it would be appropriate to text

[2:41:34] him.

[2:41:34] >> Okay, I'll text him.

[2:41:36] >> I'll make a motion we go into close

[2:41:37] session.

[2:41:38] >> I'll second it. All in favor?

[2:41:41] >> I.

[2:41:42] >> This request a roll call, right?

[2:41:44] >> Yes, it does. Oh, yep. Look at you.

[2:41:47] >> And you can also state why we're going

[2:41:48] to go into close session.

[2:41:50] >> Just for we're going to go into close

[2:41:52] session for a legal update.

[2:41:54] >> A legal update.

[2:41:55] >> So, um, Council Member Malovich,

[2:41:59] >> yes.

[2:42:00] >> Council member John's. Council member

[2:42:03] Hutchkins,

[2:42:03] >> yes.

[2:42:04] >> Council member Roden,

[2:42:05] >> yes.

[2:42:06] >> Council member Lent, yes. Okay. Um,

[2:42:09] we'll go into

[2:42:10] >> Definitely need a new sign session. I do

[2:42:12] >> the recording.

[2:42:15] The meeting has been unlocked.

[2:42:17] >> Yes.

[2:42:18] >> So that you can see who is there and we

[2:42:21] don't get any acquisitions that All

[2:42:23] right.

[2:42:23] >> I didn't unlock it. So

[2:42:26] >> that must have happened before.

[2:42:27] >> I make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

[2:42:29] >> I'll second that motion.

[2:42:30] >> I'll third it.

[2:42:32] >> All All in favor?

[2:42:34] >> I.

[2:42:34] >> Okay. Meeting is adjourned.

[2:42:37] >> You didn't take advantage of the no

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