[0:05] Hey, did we change our internet

[0:07] password?

[0:08] >> Okay, sorry that we were a little late

[0:09] there, Brian. I uh to be completely

[0:12] candid, just lost track of time, looked

[0:14] down at my watch and it was 5 till.

[0:18] So, but we're here 3 minutes after. I'm

[0:21] feeling pretty good about that. Um like

[0:23] to welcome everybody to city council

[0:25] meeting today, uh April 28th, 2026. Um

[0:29] we are actually going to start with our

[0:31] work session. Uh number one considering

[0:35] a petition from Northern Slope LLC

[0:38] Summit Creek for the annexation of 5.36

[0:41] acre portion of land associated with

[0:44] parcel 300770226

[0:50] and the acceptance of a change in zoning

[0:53] for said parcel of land. And that zoning

[0:56] is actually just a request to send it to

[0:58] the planning commission. But Bucky, do

[1:01] you have anything you want to present to

[1:03] the council?

[1:04] >> So, there should be a map um should be a

[1:08] map on your desk that looks like this.

[1:12] So, the portion we're talking about is

[1:14] this pink portion.

[1:17] Um [clears throat] we've been working on

[1:19] this. We got our master plan reapproved

[1:21] with the city I think in 2023

[1:26] and uh we contemplated trying to get

[1:29] this annexed from Elkridge into Wooden

[1:32] Hills so we could develop it with our

[1:34] last phase. Um we've been working on

[1:37] this with Elkridge for a little over two

[1:40] years now and I think we've I think

[1:43] we've uh gone through their whole

[1:46] process. I think they're agreable to

[1:48] this now. That's that's my

[1:49] understanding. And now they're waiting

[1:51] for Woodland Hills to to approve it and

[1:55] accept it if if they're willing so that

[1:57] we can develop it. It would turn into

[1:59] basically three lots as you can see on

[2:01] the map. And uh um it's a lot easier for

[2:05] us to develop that as part of moving

[2:07] hills than than Elridge. It's it's impos

[2:10] I don't know I guess technically not

[2:12] impossible but it's it's difficult for

[2:13] Oakidge to service those properties. So, that's kind of high level. I don't

[2:19] know if if if uh anything I'm missing or

[2:22] if you have any questions or anything.

[2:25] >> What what were some of the concerns from

[2:27] you mentioned a couple years to work

[2:28] with Elidge. What were some of their

[2:30] concerns about the annexation?

[2:33] Um, so, uh, Loafer Canyon Road has had

[2:38] some flooding, not from this, but I

[2:43] think there's various, um, various areas

[2:46] that have contributed to, um, to Loafer

[2:50] Canyon getting flooded on when there's,

[2:52] you know, heavy storms or runoff. And

[2:54] so, what they tied to this was a lower

[2:58] portion of our property. They wanted us

[2:59] to increase the retention pond. And so

[3:03] we significantly made some improvements

[3:05] to to the current retention pond that we

[3:09] have down there. And it took it took a

[3:13] couple years to kind of come to that

[3:16] agreement and conclusion and for us to

[3:18] do the work and for them to accept it

[3:20] and

[3:20] >> so the work's complete.

[3:22] >> Yeah. So

[3:23] >> So did you do that work in good faith

[3:25] that once complete that they would be

[3:28] compliant to let you do it and then

[3:30] >> Yeah. I mean truthfully whether whether

[3:32] it gets approved or not I mean we don't want to be contributing to

[3:36] >> flooding. So

[3:38] >> okay

[3:39] >> so we felt you know we felt like it was

[3:42] just the right thing to do.

[3:43] >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's just those three

[3:45] parcels.

[3:47] >> It's just a portion.

[3:48] >> It's a portion of one parcel, but we

[3:50] will request if the city will accept

[3:53] this, our final plat will will seek

[3:57] approval to turn that into three lots

[3:59] and that.

[3:59] >> That's what I meant. The future that's

[4:01] what your anticipation is by annexing

[4:04] this in it will be those three

[4:06] additional lots.

[4:07] >> Yeah, correct.

[4:09] One thing I failed to mention, this

[4:10] property, this five acres is right on

[4:12] the crest.

[4:13] >> Yeah.

[4:14] >> And so, I mean, it's [clears throat]

[4:16] it's a steep hillside. We first sought

[4:19] to let Elidge

[4:21] uh move the entire parcel into Woodland

[4:23] Hills, but they only wanted to do the

[4:26] portion that we could develop. So,

[4:31] I see. So even though you own the rest

[4:34] of it at this point that's on the lower

[4:36] part and you don't have plans for

[4:38] development yet.

[4:40] >> We have yeah current I mean we don't

[4:42] have any plans to develop that that

[4:44] portion. So

[4:47] yeah

[4:50] >> what would be the change in the lot

[4:52] sizes of those three because right now

[4:54] you've got one and a half sitting on

[4:55] there about am I reading that right

[4:58] >> or are those lots currently as you would

[5:00] like to have them? Yeah, they're current

[5:02] they're showing

[5:03] >> they're showing what you're looking for.

[5:04] Okay.

[5:05] >> Yeah, they're all a little over an acre.

[5:06] The zoning are 119 which matches

[5:09] >> the rest of the Okay.

[5:10] >> Yeah.

[5:11] >> I just wanted to make sure that that

[5:13] wasn't your original plan and then the

[5:14] eventics that you want to now take that

[5:16] annex portion and make

[5:18] >> additional ones in there.

[5:20] >> See seems like from some of the other

[5:21] ones we've done that were on the border

[5:23] that it's you know Woodland Hills it's

[5:26] Woodland Hills roads to get to those

[5:28] properties and to for fire and snow and

[5:30] everything. So that's why they need to

[5:32] be annexed in so that we could service

[5:33] them, right?

[5:35] >> Yeah.

[5:35] >> Because otherwise, how how would

[5:37] Elgridge get to them?

[5:39] >> Yeah.

[5:41] >> Um what are some of the engineering

[5:45] I mean it's very steep, right? What were

[5:47] some of the engineering complexities of

[5:49] that you guys considered that would you

[5:51] know obviously anytime you're building

[5:53] on an edge of anything just ask some

[5:55] folks up in Draper

[5:57] >> Yeah.

[5:57] >> how that goes, right? So what are some

[5:59] of the steps you've taken um from an

[6:01] engineering perspective?

[6:03] >> Yeah, so the build pads that will be on

[6:06] our on our final plat and our final plat

[6:10] will all be on natural soil.

[6:12] >> Okay.

[6:13] >> Where those lots you're talking about in

[6:15] Draper, they were trying to build they

[6:17] were their build path was a cross field

[6:20] and that that was a bad idea from the

[6:23] city and the developer. And the only

[6:25] place we're showing a house has to be

[6:27] built is all unnatural. So that's on the

[6:30] very top flat part of the ridge where

[6:32] it's buildable. So

[6:35] >> yeah, we we have the same concern. We we

[6:38] don't want to sell a property that is

[6:40] going to where a house is going to be

[6:41] built off a cliff. So um some of these

[6:44] lots their backyard will be on that

[6:48] steep edge, but no no build pad onto

[6:51] that steep edge. Okay.

[6:54] And in our conversations with Ilkage,

[6:56] they [clears throat] they're okay with

[6:57] this annexation. [snorts]

[7:00] Okay.

[7:03] >> Ryan, do you have any questions?

[7:07] » No, sir.

[7:09] Okay. Steve,

[7:11] >> no. No, I don't think so. Okay. Jerry,

[7:16] >> no. Just uh because it's just an

[7:18] annexation. We're not looking at the

[7:20] site plan specifically or the roads or

[7:22] anything.

[7:23] >> It's just a matter of whether we want it

[7:24] to come into wooden house.

[7:26] >> Don't see anything. I mean, unless

[7:28] there's any concerns from the fire chief

[7:30] of having uh because that is a slope

[7:32] with some some scrub oak if that's a

[7:35] issue for the fire chief or not.

[7:37] >> I think it is an issue

[7:39] >> whether it's in our city [laughter] or

[7:40] not.

[7:41] >> Right.

[7:42] >> Trees still exist. Ted,

[7:46] >> a question.

[7:48] Um yeah so we have requirements um

[7:56] » requirements just complying with our

[7:58] requirements and most others perfect

[8:02] there's no other questions um I'm

[8:04] actually going to move and see if we

[8:06] can't I don't see anybody from three

[8:08] bridges here right now so Jody am I okay

[8:12] to skip to number three

[8:13] >> yeah I don't know if we will see anyone

[8:15] from three bridges agreeing.

[8:18] Are you a They didn't show up to the

[8:20] finance commission meeting either.

[8:22] >> Perfect. Okay. Well, I'm going to skip

[8:23] then to uh number three since uh Zans is

[8:27] here with us, Mark Anderson. Um and so

[8:31] we are looking at a consideration for

[8:34] adoption of a resolution authorizing the

[8:36] insurance and sale of not more than $1.4

[8:40] 4 million

[8:42] um aggregate principal amount for a

[8:46] dedication of our sales and franchise

[8:48] tax revenue bonds. Um and so Mark, you

[8:53] want to come join us here and kind of

[8:54] walk uh the council through what that

[8:56] bond would look like? Uh

[8:58] >> you bet.

[8:59] >> And just so everybody knows, this is for

[9:02] phase four of the pavement management

[9:05] plan. So, we have been discussing this

[9:07] bond um actually all of the 2026 fiscal

[9:12] year budget, which is the one we're

[9:14] currently in. [clears throat]

[9:15] >> Um and we actually built it into that

[9:18] budget and then last council meeting

[9:20] when we amended the budget, we actually

[9:22] pulled this these funds out. Um but that

[9:26] is what we're talking about.

[9:28] >> Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to

[9:29] be here with the council. It's been

[9:31] probably five years since I've been

[9:32] here. uh and uh what you have before you

[9:37] tonight is what we call a parameters

[9:39] resolution with some associated

[9:41] exhibits.

[9:42] The parameters resolution is

[9:45] the beginning uh process of issuing

[9:48] bonds

[9:50] uh under state law and within the

[9:53] parameters resolution it defines the

[9:55] project as being the maintenance of road

[9:59] roads. Um, it sets parameters as far as

[10:03] the borrowing. The maximum borrowing

[10:05] amount for the bond would be $1.4

[10:07] million. The maximum term that the bonds

[10:10] will be repaid over is 10 years. The

[10:13] maximum interest rate is 6%.

[10:16] But in reality, we expect a rate

[10:20] uh probably in the high threes or low 4%

[10:24] rate. It's a small bond, so there may

[10:26] not be as many interested purchasers,

[10:28] but I'm optimistic that we can find a

[10:31] purchaser for that. Um, and uh, it also

[10:37] uh, designates the mayor, the mayor

[10:39] prom, and the city recorder as

[10:42] designated officers that have the

[10:44] ability to make the decision on the

[10:46] final purchaser in terms of the bond. Uh

[10:50] what the process is is uh after the

[10:54] council adopts the parameters resolution

[10:56] and this resolution it also includes the

[10:59] scheduling of public hearing which would

[11:01] be on May 26th.

[11:03] Um and then we would anticipate putting

[11:07] together a a bid package that we would a

[11:10] request for bids that we would send out

[11:12] to banks that would purchase this bond

[11:15] for their private investment portfolios.

[11:18] um and would expect bids back

[11:21] approximately on the 1st of July and

[11:23] then close the bonds on July 15th is

[11:26] when the funds would would be delivered

[11:29] to the city.

[11:31] >> Um

[11:33] and that's pretty much it.

[11:36] >> Any questions for Mark?

[11:39] the interest [clears throat] rates

[11:41] obviously those are going to be

[11:42] negotiated and and very what are some of

[11:44] the things that we should I mean you

[11:45] mentioned six maybe a little bit less

[11:47] than that what's a what's out there

[11:49] right now I know things can change

[11:51] >> well I would expect something around 4%

[11:54] give or take 20 basis points or 210 of a

[11:57] percent of interest uh based on what the

[12:00] current market is the market's been

[12:03] pretty volatile since the beginning of

[12:04] the Iran war we saw rates jump up uh

[12:08] probably about 4/10en of a percent in

[12:10] just a matter of a few weeks. We've seen

[12:13] some of that uh uh

[12:17] come back uh in a little bit lower

[12:20] rates, but it's still kind of a volatile

[12:22] situation pending any kind of clear

[12:24] outcome as to what the the oil situation

[12:28] in the world might turn out to be.

[12:31] Um

[12:33] uh the 6%

[12:36] some banks will bid this with a fixed

[12:39] rate for all years. So say four 4.4% for each maturity. You'll have 10

[12:48] principal payments over the life of the

[12:50] bonds. But uh Bank of U which owns your

[12:54] excise tax bonds for the class C roads

[12:57] bids what we call serialized coupons.

[13:00] Each maturity has its own interest rate,

[13:03] a unique interest rate and they go say

[13:06] from three and a half to maybe four and

[13:08] a half or four to five or or something

[13:11] like that. So we give ourselves a lot of

[13:14] latitude there but we certainly don't

[13:16] expect to see a rate in this what we

[13:19] call a true interest cost in the 6%

[13:22] range.

[13:23] >> Okay.

[13:24] >> Thank you.

[13:27] >> Did you say 10-year term? Was that

[13:28] right? 10ear term.

[13:29] >> Correct. And part of that's just driven

[13:31] by the nature of the improvements. You

[13:33] really don't want to have a bond

[13:34] outstanding longer than the the life of

[13:36] the improvements.

[13:37] >> Agreed.

[13:39] >> So, so we're talking about phase two or

[13:42] phase three of the road. This is for

[13:45] >> Okay. But, but this doesn't take care of

[13:47] the water issue either. So, what does it do to our potential our

[13:51] future for getting a loan um credit?

[13:54] Because we've got another project that's

[13:56] big and bigger, too. and I've assisted

[13:58] with a couple of division of drinking

[14:00] water loans that the city entered into

[14:02] in 2020 and 2021. I think the 21

[14:05] issuance kind of superseded the first

[14:07] issuance. They offered another several

[14:10] hundred,000 to complete the project. Um

[14:14] the the revenue pledge for water bonds

[14:17] would be the net revenues of your water

[14:19] system. So, what you're pledging for

[14:22] this bond is sales tax and franchise

[14:25] tax, which includes your your uh

[14:30] util the electric or the

[14:33] >> cell phones, and taxes on utilities, gas

[14:38] and electric,

[14:40] >> Amazon purchases.

[14:41] >> Well, that's part of the sales taxes.

[14:44] Uh so that's what you're pledging as the

[14:47] repayment source for this bond. You

[14:50] would pledge typically pledge the water

[14:54] system revenues for the repayment of a

[14:56] water bond.

[14:57] >> Okay. Yep. So this one's coming the

[15:00] general fund. That bond will have to

[15:03] come from the enterprise fund.

[15:05] >> Yeah.

[15:06] >> Okay. And I just wanted to um I I

[15:09] appreciate that you gave us this

[15:10] calendar of events of of the life of of

[15:13] going to July 15th. That's helpful. Um

[15:15] and just to remind our residents that

[15:18] the reason that we're doing this um is

[15:21] because we did not want to raise taxes

[15:23] to have to pay for a road and this is

[15:24] more consistent um and reliable to get

[15:28] the roads done in a timely manner and

[15:30] with a consistent cost.

[15:33] >> Got you.

[15:35] I think to answer your question though,

[15:36] Steve, also is is this would I believe,

[15:41] and Mark, you can comment on this, but

[15:43] this does tap us out fairly

[15:48] » quite a bit.

[15:49] >> You don't have much powder left with

[15:50] that revenue pledge.

[15:52] >> You do have a 2019 sales and franchise

[15:55] tax bond that I think matures in like

[15:57] 2030 or 2032.

[16:00] that'll give you some more capacity, but

[16:02] you're still, you know, four or six

[16:04] years out until you really have the

[16:06] ability to issue additional bonds with

[16:08] this same revenue pledge.

[16:10] >> So, so just just as a group, is this

[16:13] going to stall the ability for us to

[16:16] make the waterline improvements down the

[16:18] road with that?

[16:20] >> Two different

[16:22] entities almost.

[16:24] >> So, the water would then be paying for

[16:25] the road improvements in that too.

[16:27] >> Yeah. That whole package would come from

[16:28] there.

[16:29] >> Okay. and we can help you look at what

[16:31] your coverage is on the bond payments.

[16:35] Usually, you're required to have net

[16:37] revenues, revenues less operating

[16:40] expenses excluding depreciation, at

[16:42] least 125% of what your total bond

[16:46] payments are. So, if you had net

[16:49] revenues of 1.25 million, you could have

[16:51] annual bond payments of up to a million

[16:53] dollars. Okay? So, but we can help you

[16:57] look at, you know, what your what kind

[17:00] of revenues you may have to generate to

[17:03] meet the coverage for whatever amount of

[17:05] money that you may look to borrow.

[17:09] >> I I think I mean, if you do the math,

[17:11] it's almost 9%, right? The the monthly

[17:14] annual or the sorry, the annual payment

[17:17] is almost representation of like 9% of

[17:20] our total budget every year to to make

[17:21] the payment back. So, it's

[17:25] significant for a small community.

[17:28] >> Yeah.

[17:29] >> Don't don't forget the thing that we're

[17:31] saving here is we're able to do the work

[17:35] at now's pricing.

[17:37] >> Um we talked about the increases in in

[17:40] asphalt and things like that. Those are

[17:42] going to go up much higher than the

[17:45] interest rate that we're looking at.

[17:46] This is the reason that we're doing

[17:47] this. True.

[17:49] >> And that that is the the big buy for for

[17:53] doing the bond and and even though we're

[17:55] kind of extending out ourselves. Um

[17:58] we've got the emergency funds that we're

[18:00] still planning and things like that. And again, when it comes to it, we're

[18:04] only going to bond out exactly what we

[18:07] need. This is this is the map. Um so it

[18:10] might give us a little bit of wiggle room or however we decide to do

[18:14] that in the end. Um, the only thing I

[18:17] have just to make clear and play the

[18:20] politician here, the way I'm reading

[18:22] this is this authorizes

[18:26] us to make this happen and actually do

[18:28] the signatures to make the bond happen.

[18:31] And we still are going to have once we

[18:34] get the bids back, we have the

[18:36] opportunity to send that to our finance

[18:39] department and or our finance committee

[18:42] and and go through that with a fine

[18:43] tooth comb before we actually sign on

[18:45] the dotted line. And it's not actually

[18:47] signing us up for anything.

[18:49] >> Hey Brian,

[18:50] >> no.

[18:50] >> Yes. Just to clarify, uh, we already

[18:53] have the bids and have it, um, given a

[18:56] contract to a contractor and this did

[18:59] get sent to the finance committee. Um,

[19:02] >> no, I'm talking about the bond. Wouldn't

[19:05] have for the bond itself when we signed

[19:08] with the lending agency.

[19:10] >> What? Sorry.

[19:14] It's when we sign for the lending

[19:15] agency, when we actually sign the

[19:18] paperwork to get the money that we're

[19:20] not, this doesn't this doesn't lock us

[19:23] into anything. We're going to get bids

[19:25] from different lenders, so to speak, to

[19:30] uh to fund this bond. And this is going

[19:33] to this we're still going to have way

[19:35] I'm reading it, we're still going to

[19:36] have the time to look at each one of

[19:38] those and decide what which one we want

[19:40] to go with. And that will give time for

[19:41] the finance committee to have their

[19:43] weigh in and the mayor and the city

[19:45] council and that type of thing. Is that

[19:47] correct?

[19:48] >> Well, let me let me address that.

[19:51] >> The parameters resolution

[19:53] actually authorizes the mayor or the

[19:56] mayor pro prom and the city recorder to

[19:59] make the decision regarding what they

[20:01] determine to be the most the best bid

[20:04] for the city.

[20:05] uh it doesn't mean the city doesn't

[20:07] can't have some method that that the uh

[20:11] the mayor wants to reach out to the

[20:13] council and say this is what we've

[20:14] gotten and this is what we're thinking.

[20:17] Uh but it it doesn't necessarily require

[20:20] another formal action by the council.

[20:23] This this just gives

[20:25] the mayor and the recorder and the may

[20:27] or the mayor prom the ability to act

[20:30] within these parameters on the issuance

[20:32] of the bond. And if there's any any uh

[20:35] thoughts about borrowing less than $1.4

[20:38] million, I'd want to know that before

[20:40] the bids are sent out. We can modify

[20:42] that a little bit. Uh

[20:45] but uh that would be my preference. just

[20:50] >> just to concur with what Brian said as a

[20:53] former city manager. Uh if you can

[20:56] borrow at a lower cost than inflation on

[20:59] road repairs, you're money ahead because

[21:01] deferring road maintenance turns uh you

[21:04] know simple maintenance into road

[21:05] rebuilds and and uh uh or uh uh rotomill

[21:12] and overlays and things like that. So

[21:14] the the cost of doing nothing is much

[21:16] more than just the the cost of interest

[21:20] and

[21:20] >> and reminder

[21:21] >> inflation.

[21:22] >> We had the finance committee do a study

[21:24] on inflation on asphalt and those

[21:26] things. And it's it's far cheaper to

[21:28] borrow the money and do it now than to

[21:31] pay the the price of inflation and labor

[21:34] and everything else. So

[21:35] >> this is about a million dollars cheaper

[21:37] this option.

[21:38] >> Yeah, we did we did do it the finance

[21:40] committee did do a study on it. They did

[21:42] some research. So

[21:45] >> when we get those offers in, we can

[21:48] >> we can review them through the finance

[21:50] committee and everybody else. I get that

[21:52] it authorizes the mayor, mayor prom and

[21:55] then the city recorder, but we can send

[21:59] those in in the act of transparency to

[22:02] the finance committee and say, "Can you

[22:03] guys review this one? This is the one we

[22:05] think is the best and and what do you

[22:07] think?" And they can point out anything

[22:09] that we might not see because they're

[22:10] really good at what they do.

[22:12] I will tell you that some of the uh

[22:17] bids will be uh subject to change if you

[22:22] don't accept them on the day that

[22:23] they're offered. Subject to change, you

[22:26] know, of market indexes of upwards and

[22:29] downwards in so usually we have the

[22:34] acceptance on the same day as the bids

[22:36] that are received.

[22:37] >> Yeah, we'll probably I'll probably ping

[22:39] each of you call you. um you know share

[22:42] with you and then we'll have talked with

[22:45] Mark um and kind of made that decision.

[22:49] Um we've kind of gone through the whole

[22:51] process of whether we should do this,

[22:52] what the plan is. Um we've already got

[22:55] the contracts in place with Kilgore. Um

[22:59] so we're a little bit further down the

[23:00] road. One other thing to remember, uh,

[23:03] Brian, to your comment of the safety

[23:05] funds, um, the safety fund conversation

[23:09] when we discussed that, um, you know,

[23:11] months ago is we wanted to have, you

[23:14] know, around $250,000 in the bank at all

[23:17] times. That was if we decided to go with

[23:20] the funding option for this lending path

[23:24] which pulled savings out to then turn

[23:27] around and pay off that other bond you

[23:31] were talking about. Correct.

[23:32] >> That was one option

[23:34] >> and we did not opt for that option from

[23:36] your council.

[23:37] >> Yeah. Basically, you've got a bond

[23:39] that's two some point something percent

[23:43] interest. And to pay off a a bond only

[23:45] to borrow more at a higher interest cost

[23:47] doesn't really make sense to me.

[23:50] >> 100%. So, we my long story short, we

[23:53] have more than the 250,000 in savings.

[23:56] Um, I don't know what that exact number

[23:58] is off the top of my head, but it's it's

[24:00] still substantially higher than that

[24:02] 250,000. I thought we were spending down

[24:06] and and getting a lower bond because we

[24:09] were spending down on that on that.

[24:11] >> We'll be using some of it. Yes.

[24:14] >> Okay. I just want to make sure. But and I'm surprised if Are we not getting

[24:19] multiple offers on this?

[24:22] >> We will. We will be getting multiple

[24:24] offers, but the time frame we would not

[24:27] have time to send that to the finance

[24:29] committee. It's kind of a here's your

[24:32] options. Do you want to proceed or not?

[24:34] And we have to make that decision.

[24:36] >> Hence, this resolution grants

[24:39] >> myself.

[24:41] Yeah. Is there standard verbage that we

[24:43] can kind of I mean, if it's standard

[24:45] verbage that everybody uses, I just

[24:47] don't want to have something in the fine

[24:49] print of whatever we sign that's going

[24:51] to bite us that we didn't know about

[24:53] because we didn't have time to read it

[24:55] and and review it. and we'll explain to

[24:58] you that the bids that are received, the

[25:01] things that you need to be mindful of.

[25:03] One of the things that we see uh

[25:05] differences in is what we call call

[25:07] features, and that is the ability to

[25:11] repay or pay down the bonds uh prior to

[25:16] maturity where it's only a 10-year bond.

[25:18] We may have a call that somebody may

[25:21] send a bid in. They'll here's the

[25:23] interest rate, but you can't pay it off

[25:25] early for 10 years. Or we may have some

[25:26] that say you can start paying it off

[25:28] early in three years. Or

[25:32] >> if it's a standard, if they're pretty

[25:34] standard like that and and there's not

[25:36] going to be anything hidden anywhere, I

[25:38] can understand. I'm more of a trust but

[25:39] verify kind of person

[25:41] >> and I'm not going to be able to get

[25:43] through

[25:44] >> a legal contract of that uh that

[25:49] magnitude

[25:50] without, you know, some time. It's not

[25:53] going to happen for me in a day. Um I

[25:55] just want to make sure that we're making

[25:57] sure that we're not signing something

[25:58] that we shouldn't sign is where I'm

[26:00] getting to.

[26:01] >> But Brian, we're we've worked with Mark

[26:03] in the past and and we've we've had good

[26:06] success with

[26:07] >> Thank you very Yeah. Z does a very good

[26:08] job, Ryan, explaining that.

[26:10] >> I agree. I totally agree, but I'm I'm a

[26:14] little hitchy about that. Um,

[26:17] >> right. We're just I think part of it is

[26:19] that we're trusting him to advise us on

[26:22] what is a good offer and what is not.

[26:24] >> And and I think we'd have enough time,

[26:26] Brian, that we could fill the council in

[26:30] the loop, give them the high overview of

[26:32] it of this one has a penalty if we pay

[26:35] it off early, this one has no penalty.

[26:37] Mark's going to look at that and

[26:40] >> we'll provide a bid summary and compare

[26:42] total principal and interest payments

[26:44] under all the options

[26:47] >> u that we receive and can advise you on

[26:50] things you ought to be mindful of.

[26:53] >> I I I do appreciate that. I'm just I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm just

[26:58] a little more cautious um in signing

[27:02] away that kind of thing. Um and and not

[27:05] having it reviewed is is just makes me

[27:08] nervous. Not saying I'm not going to

[27:10] vote for it. It just makes me nervous.

[27:14] >> Noted. Thank you. Any other questions

[27:16] for Mark?

[27:21] » Okay, Mark. Thank you so much for

[27:23] coming. You're welcome to stick around

[27:24] and enjoy the rest.

[27:25] >> It's really exciting.

[27:27] >> Exciting council meeting or you're

[27:28] welcome to uh head.

[27:30] >> If you'd like me to stay, I'm happy to.

[27:32] >> Your choice 100%.

[27:33] >> Thanks for the

[27:36] >> You won't hurt our feelings.

[27:37] >> We appreciate it.

[27:39] >> If we were you, we'd go home.

[27:41] >> I know this is a work meeting and so

[27:43] [laughter]

[27:46] » Okay, we're going to jump back to number

[27:47] two. uh the consideration and discussion

[27:50] on the conditional use application for

[27:52] Treehouse Park LLC, which is Three

[27:54] Bridges, for a temporary on-site rock

[27:57] crushing associated with the

[27:59] construction of the Three Bridges

[28:01] subdivision. Uh is this uh Ted or is

[28:04] this Wayne?

[28:07] >> Wayne.

[28:08] >> Okay, Wayne, you're up.

[28:13] » He drew the short straw tonight.

[28:15] [laughter]

[28:17] guy. You haven't seen the long straw

[28:19] yet.

[28:21] [laughter]

[28:23] >> Thanks, Mark.

[28:25] >> Um, this was submitted to us uh a while

[28:28] back and the planning commission has had

[28:30] an opportunity to look at it. It's

[28:33] pretty straightforward.

[28:35] um their their plans are to do this

[28:40] uh rock crushing and and gravel

[28:43] separation of sizes and so forth that

[28:45] they will use in their roads and other

[28:47] construction there. One of the concerns

[28:50] was the dust that this might accumulate

[28:54] and they they've agreed and their their

[28:56] plans were so they're not making a

[28:59] concession here. The plans were to put a

[29:01] water truck on site to uh to wet the

[29:05] area down periodically to keep the dust

[29:07] low. Um it's our understanding too as

[29:10] they go through this process with the

[29:13] dirt pile that we've got that it will be

[29:15] moved further to the east as it's

[29:18] divided up in the different kinds of

[29:21] >> So this will be for our big mountain

[29:23] right by the correct mailboxes. Just

[29:25] thought everybody should know that.

[29:26] >> The removal of the mountain.

[29:28] >> Yeah, it's to remove it. Yes.

[29:31] >> Slow slowly.

[29:34] >> Wayne, could you explain the process

[29:36] because it's saying rock crushing,

[29:38] right? And we've had one concern from a

[29:40] resident who's written in. Uh Brian, I

[29:42] don't know if you want to address that

[29:44] or I can. Um

[29:47] >> there aren't big rocks in in this pile

[29:50] of dirt, so it'll be sizing more than

[29:53] anything. If it goes through one size,

[29:55] it'll be in this pile. But I don't I

[29:58] mean there'll be dust created from that.

[30:00] >> It's a sifting process.

[30:02] >> I don't see there being a lot of noise

[30:05] in breaking up boulders or those sorts

[30:07] of things there. We didn't

[30:09] >> and that was the primary concern from a

[30:11] resident was, you know, is there going

[30:12] to be a seismic activity associated with

[30:15] this? And one thing I want to make aware

[30:18] >> is we've actually had this exact same

[30:21] operation on the opposite side of the

[30:23] city for years um with a different

[30:27] construction company over there um in

[30:29] Elk Ridge. Um and so it's not a very

[30:35] it's not a nuisance in that regard.

[30:37] Dust, sure, we need to take care of it,

[30:39] but it won't cause seismic issues. It

[30:41] won't cause a nuisance in that regard.

[30:44] It's not anticipated to. That's correct.

[30:47] >> Do they have an estimate of when that

[30:48] would that project would round up? Is

[30:51] that just over the summer? Is that going

[30:52] to go through? I mean, I know. I just

[30:55] wondered how long they plan on

[30:56] >> I think it'll be as long as that pile of

[30:58] dirt is

[30:59] >> still there. So,

[31:01] >> years.

[31:02] >> So, okay. [clears throat]

[31:04] Hopefully not.

[31:05] >> Some questions. Um

[31:08] but the application I I thought it was

[31:12] um you know

[31:14] very vague. It's not signed. So I was uh

[31:18] from the applicant and um I wanted to

[31:21] make sure that some of these things are more concrete. Um yes, they're going

[31:27] to be rock crushing. Um but it I think

[31:31] we should be putting in there about no

[31:34] noise

[31:35] ordinances. um the time of operation to

[31:39] make sure that it's in

[31:40] >> that's all in our ordinances. We've made

[31:41] them aware of that on the site

[31:44] >> so that they're aware.

[31:45] >> We went through all our ordinances of

[31:47] operation

[31:48] >> because that's by code.

[31:49] >> Yeah, that's by code.

[31:51] >> We talked about it's actually county

[31:52] noise ordinance which is more stricter

[31:54] than ours. Um as well as I think Salem's

[31:57] is a little more stricter than ours

[31:58] because they're actually going to be

[32:00] >> the operation is going to be in our city

[32:02] but the dirt's actually being moved to

[32:04] Salem. So, it's kind of both cities

[32:05] [clears throat] involved here.

[32:07] >> We already got one of these for Salem,

[32:08] right?

[32:09] >> And then the other thing I wanted to

[32:10] talk about

[32:11] >> going on in Salem with that other pile

[32:13] of dirty

[32:14] >> was the um dust mitigation. Um I would

[32:18] like to see it a little bit more

[32:19] concrete. Um managing it through a water

[32:22] truck once in a while.

[32:23] >> So that's in that's in their SWIP plan

[32:25] they submitted to us as part of this

[32:26] permit.

[32:27] >> We just didn't see that part, right? So,

[32:29] I just wanted to clarify

[32:31] >> something that our SWIP inspector

[32:32] inspects kind of for our lenses. So,

[32:35] Mitch, our SWIP inspector, he'll be

[32:37] coming up and inspecting them. Part of

[32:39] that is dust control.

[32:41] >> Okay. So, if it's not adequate, the

[32:42] swift inspector would would require them

[32:44] to water more often or or whatever,

[32:47] >> right?

[32:48] >> Okay. That's what I just wanted to make

[32:49] sure that our public recognized that we

[32:52] do have someone overseeing that and um

[32:54] mitigating that that dust. and we told

[32:57] them they're required to get this SWIP

[33:00] approval in the process and they were

[33:02] willing to do that. So,

[33:04] >> and they got the SWIP approved through

[33:05] the state and Mitch, our SWIP inspector,

[33:08] reviewed it and he was good with it.

[33:11] Now, he'll be doing his uh inspections

[33:14] just make sure they comply with

[33:16] >> How often do they do the inspection?

[33:18] >> Usually, it's monthly. Oh,

[33:20] >> it's either dust or monthly or when they

[33:22] get complaints, it's dust, runoff, mud,

[33:27] whole bunch of stuff. He'll be

[33:28] inspecting plus

[33:30] >> the county also has uh provisions for

[33:33] that.

[33:34] >> Okay.

[33:34] >> Noise and dust as well

[33:38] because also affect,

[33:39] >> right? So,

[33:40] >> so if any of our residents are are upset

[33:43] about it, when they call Jody or any of

[33:46] us, then you would direct them to um our

[33:50] SWIP compliance officer who would take

[33:52] those complaints and then adjust the

[33:54] mitigation accordingly.

[33:59] » Okay?

[33:59] >> If it's out of compliance, but just

[34:01] doesn't mean out of compliance, right?

[34:03] >> So, he has to check the levels to see

[34:05] what's going on and stuff like that,

[34:06] >> right? and the contractor they will have

[34:09] to self audit and submit reports weekly.

[34:13] >> So it's

[34:14] >> and if we get if we get reports that

[34:17] there's issues or problems will address

[34:19] them and through SWIP and or through

[34:21] three bridges make sure that it gets

[34:24] addressed whatever the issue is.

[34:26] >> Perfect.

[34:28] >> So So Wayne, are they they're planning

[34:30] on just using that for their own stuff?

[34:32] are not planning on selling it or like

[34:36] >> they've offered to sell some of it in

[34:38] the past and I don't know what their

[34:39] exact plans are in that regard, but the majority of it will be in their own

[34:45] being utilized in their own uh project

[34:48] there.

[34:48] >> So, no hope for some sales tax out of

[34:50] some uh some

[34:53] >> hill of dirt that we could get a little

[34:55] >> extra talking about were favors to

[34:57] people, not so much that they

[34:59] >> getting in the selling business. Yeah.

[35:01] >> Yeah. Okay.

[35:02] >> And back to my first comment. Did do

[35:04] they not need to sign this application?

[35:06] >> No, we'll get them to sign it.

[35:07] >> Actually, there's more to the

[35:09] application. I gave you the front page.

[35:10] They've got to go through they sign the

[35:13] back of the code after they've read it

[35:15] all.

[35:15] >> All right. So,

[35:16] >> just making sure that

[35:17] >> and there's a fee they've got to pay.

[35:19] >> I see the fee.

[35:21] >> Any other questions?

[35:22] >> Yes. Yes, I have I do have a couple. Um,

[35:26] I again I I agree with with Carrie on

[35:30] having a wet signature from from the,

[35:33] you know, the applicant, but I'd also I would have preferred just for future

[35:37] to actually see that it had gone through

[35:40] our different departments and got those

[35:42] signatures as well because there is a

[35:44] spot for that. Um, so that I can know

[35:47] that it's been properly reviewed and

[35:49] vetted. We're small enough. So, I'm not

[35:51] too worried about it, but that would

[35:52] have been preferable just for future.

[35:55] Um, I would like to to just bring it up

[35:58] just so we're talking a little bit more

[35:59] about it. Um, one of our residents uh

[36:03] had sent me an email that I sent out.

[36:05] Um, they were asking about s, you know,

[36:08] seismographic meters around and and

[36:10] worried about uh their their, you know,

[36:14] vibrations that could cause issues with

[36:15] their plumbing. I want to make sure that it's stated that this is not from a

[36:22] we're not having any blasting. Um if

[36:24] there is is more discussion, they can

[36:26] actually talk to Ted who's very

[36:28] wellversed in this. Um it's only a

[36:31] crusher and and and

[36:34] um screening processes that we'll be

[36:37] seeing. Um, so it is not

[36:41] something that we would ask a a a an

[36:45] applicant to actually put a seismograph

[36:48] any kind of meters anywhere. And uh,

[36:51] Mayor pointed out to me that we actually

[36:53] have had this going on for years in our

[36:55] city. Um, so it's it's not much

[36:58] different from what we what we currently

[37:00] have. Um, one of the things that they

[37:02] brought up was they they are asking for

[37:05] the city to post on their website

[37:08] um the ability to submit errant dust

[37:11] reports to the EPA. Again, I think this

[37:13] is more of a SWIP thing. Does SWIP allow

[37:16] for uh dust reports um by the public?

[37:21] And if so, can we put that link on our

[37:25] web page? Would that be very difficult?

[37:29] That's a good question. I don't because

[37:31] the SWIP's handled by the state. Um, so

[37:34] we'd have to go through the state site

[37:35] and look to see if they can submit.

[37:39] I don't know that I've seen that before.

[37:42] Usually, if there's something because

[37:43] there's going to be two different SWIP

[37:44] inspectors on this, well, Salem and ours

[37:47] because the the pile is actually number

[37:49] city. So, they'll be doing some

[37:50] screening as they're and and uh the rock

[37:54] operation as they're moving the pile.

[37:56] They'll be moving the little equipment

[37:58] with them. It's not like a huge thing.

[38:00] They'll be moving equipment with them,

[38:01] but they're actually moving the material

[38:02] into Salem. Um so, they'll be moving the

[38:05] pile over closer to where they're going

[38:06] to be using it in their infrastructure.

[38:09] Um so, there'll be multiple SWIP

[38:10] inspectors looking at this thing. Um so,

[38:14] we can look to see if there's a way to

[38:15] do that. I'm not positive. Um, we'd have

[38:18] to talk to the state and also this did

[38:21] go just for not know this did go to a

[38:22] public hearing as well

[38:26] » and and this resident was unable to make

[38:29] that and sent me an email. Um, how do do

[38:32] we normally just call the SWIP inspector

[38:34] if there if we got a a complaint if

[38:38] we're complaining?

[38:39] >> Yes.

[38:40] >> Okay. So maybe it'd be worth checking

[38:43] with them if we can post their number or

[38:46] post a way to put I don't know Tony I

[38:48] don't know how hard and Dan I guess um I

[38:51] don't know how hard it would be to to

[38:53] put something on the web page to say

[38:56] call this number if

[38:58] >> I think we call us.

[39:00] >> Yeah, we don't want them to call SWIP.

[39:01] >> Yeah, I prefer they call us and then

[39:03] we'll notify the swift inspector.

[39:05] >> Okay. And and if we could put that, you

[39:07] know, dust reports, if we can put that,

[39:09] I think this would help with uh some of,

[39:12] you know, some of the concerns or just my thoughts on it.

[39:16] >> Yeah. So, the reason I think we'd like

[39:18] to have a call us and said because we

[39:19] don't know who's going to be doing

[39:20] whether be us or Salem. Kind of depends

[39:22] on if there's dust generated in our

[39:24] city, then it would be our swift guy we

[39:26] would have to reach out to. If it is if

[39:28] it's coming as they're dumping the dirt

[39:30] in Salem, then it would be the Salem

[39:32] swift guy that we'd have to reach out to

[39:33] for contact. So,

[39:35] >> so maybe we can put Ted's number. Call

[39:37] Ted if you have a problem, if you're

[39:40] having dust issues so he can figure it

[39:41] out because I'm I'm already going to

[39:43] recommend something and Jody's probably

[39:45] already gonna strangle me for it. So,

[39:47] um,

[39:48] >> yeah,

[39:51] >> you're welcome to call me and we can

[39:52] reach out to

[39:54] >> Yeah, Dan and Jody, would that be hard

[39:56] to put on the website?

[39:58] >> I think it so my number is already there

[40:00] on the website. Yeah, but to actually

[40:02] say for dust reports, errant dust

[40:05] reports,

[40:06] >> I don't know those are. We'll have to

[40:08] look to see if those are even a I'm not

[40:10] sure there's such a thing.

[40:11] >> Well, we've got to be careful too with

[40:13] dust reports because my opinion of dust

[40:16] is any dust, right? But SWIP says some

[40:20] dust is okay and normal, right? And so

[40:23] if we have residents trying to control

[40:26] what the regulation is due to their

[40:29] thoughts and feelings, um we are going

[40:31] to drastically exacerbate the amount of

[40:34] work required on, you know, Ted's end,

[40:36] Jod's end, and Mitch's end.

[40:39] >> Um and so we want to make sure we can do

[40:41] some education, but we want to let

[40:43] people know that with construction, just

[40:45] like when their home was constructed,

[40:48] dust was created. Now, maybe they didn't

[40:50] build it, but it's part of being in a

[40:53] community. Um, but we also want to make

[40:56] sure that it is not out of control and

[40:58] we will keep an eye on that as with the

[41:00] whole SWIP protocols.

[41:01] >> And I suspect there's going to be a bit

[41:03] of a learning curve right up front.

[41:04] Probably get some calls about dust and I

[41:07] think at some point we'll kind of get a

[41:08] handle on what is violation of dust too

[41:12] much and where do we fit where it's not

[41:15] violating the the permit. We'll probably

[41:18] after a little while we'll be a little

[41:19] learning curve and we'll be able to look

[41:21] at it and say yes that's too much or no

[41:24] um they seem to be within that because

[41:26] if we're getting these reports every day

[41:28] from someone, you know, then we're going

[41:30] to be having our swift inspector come up

[41:31] every day and we what we want to try and

[41:34] do is manage that a little bit. We get

[41:36] some training on it and kind of get a

[41:39] feel for where we at. and and also the

[41:42] county uh they also have um dust

[41:46] parameters as well. So I'm sure they'll

[41:48] be involved in that. I think there's

[41:50] going to be a little bit of a curve as

[41:52] we look at this thing um to see what

[41:55] that entails. We don't even know right

[41:56] now what that's going to look like with

[41:58] dust. It may not be could be dusty. It

[42:02] may not. We don't know. So I agree,

[42:04] Brian. I think there's going to have to

[42:05] be a way to report this. I think there's

[42:07] going to be a little bit of a learning

[42:08] curve and just us as a city will be

[42:11] monitoring it for a little while to

[42:13] figure out, okay, what is too dusty. Um,

[42:16] believe me, I checked on dust quite a

[42:17] bit. I was down at the bottom of the

[42:19] city today, saw dust up at the top of

[42:21] the hill coming up and so I took off

[42:23] from the house I was at, went up to see

[42:25] what was going on. Um, turned out it was

[42:27] just some contractors cutting a

[42:29] driveway. Um, because as you know, when

[42:32] dust goes up, we usually get fire, smoke

[42:34] calls. Um, y

[42:36] >> which is fun. We like to go on those

[42:38] anyway. But,

[42:39] >> uh, so I think there's going to be a

[42:40] little bit of learning curve. I agree

[42:42] that uh, residents can reach out to us,

[42:45] I think, to start with

[42:47] >> and then we'll kind of see how we

[42:49] manage.

[42:51] >> Okay. I I will respond to the resident

[42:54] and and give him that information and he

[42:56] might call you just so he can have some

[42:58] discussions about his concerns.

[43:01] >> I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's it's

[43:03] the the first comment is are you seeing

[43:05] too much dust, please call the city and

[43:07] then when we get a handle on what is too

[43:10] much and what's not too much, then maybe

[43:13] we can go to a little more serious stuff

[43:14] to if you see dust that you know looks

[43:18] like this or whatever, then file a

[43:20] report or something like that.

[43:21] >> Okay.

[43:22] >> I think we also have to be careful

[43:23] because if we make too big of a deal of

[43:25] it, people are going to be hyperfixated

[43:26] on it. And let's remember with all that

[43:29] construction up at the mitigation basin

[43:32] during that time we built that, we never

[43:34] exceeded

[43:36] EPA standards and there was quite a bit

[43:37] of dust, right? And we got a number of

[43:40] phone calls, but it never did exceed any

[43:44] standards. We brought the water truck up

[43:46] a little bit more and I'm sure they'll

[43:47] do that. But yeah, if there's any

[43:49] problems, please call the offices and

[43:50] we'll um Mitch's number, who is our SWIP

[43:53] inspector, is on our um website.

[43:57] [snorts] And so I guess, you know, they

[43:59] could always try texting that if they

[44:00] really are concerned.

[44:02] >> Well, they can reach out to any of us,

[44:03] too. We can pass it along.

[44:05] >> Exactly. Any other questions for Wayne?

[44:09] >> Thank you.

[44:10] >> Okay. Thank you, Wayne. [clears throat]

[44:12] Okay, we're going to move on to number

[44:13] four, the March 2026 financials and

[44:16] check dispersements.

[44:18] Um, you guys have all had them for a

[44:20] little bit. Uh, any questions there?

[44:23] >> Who's answering the questions?

[44:25] >> We will answer them. [laughter]

[44:28] >> Just wondering.

[44:29] >> I know. I was kind of thinking that as I

[44:31] was looking through [laughter]

[44:33] >> between Jod and I, I think we can. And

[44:36] then if it's a departmental, Ted can

[44:37] tackle it. But I think for the most part

[44:39] we can answer most your questions these

[44:41] days.

[44:44] >> Yeah, I mean I I look through things. I

[44:46] just want to make sure that it's it's

[44:47] clear and noted. Um so for the month of

[44:51] March we had $22,72

[44:53] in legal fees. Is that correct? Correct.

[44:57] Yep.

[44:57] >> Yes.

[44:58] >> Okay.

[44:59] And that is in part due to the fact that

[45:02] we so we have our attorneys um Smith and

[45:06] Harbickson um which we have you know we

[45:08] pay and do contract work plus litigation

[45:11] work for on our behalf. We also then

[45:14] have the insurance that the that are

[45:17] insur litigators from our insurance the

[45:20] trust.

[45:20] >> I'm not challenging it or asking for an

[45:22] explanation. I'm I'm just getting

[45:24] clarification airing airing out the

[45:26] clarification I suppose is what I'm

[45:27] doing. Sounds good.

[45:29] >> So that's basically, you know, quarter

[45:31] of a pickle ball court right there.

[45:33] >> Just [laughter]

[45:34] put it in perspective.

[45:35] >> Yeah.

[45:38] » Pickle ball champs of St. George.

[45:42] >> Very close. You guys were

[45:44] >> so semi-professionals that were we were

[45:48] playing against.

[45:49] >> Those ones from the Garden City were a

[45:51] little bit tougher than the rest of

[45:52] them.

[45:53] >> Oh my word. [laughter]

[45:54] They were

[45:55] >> we would have better if we had

[45:56] >> but we had the best cheerleaders.

[45:58] Really? We had the best cheers.

[45:59] >> We did have the best cheerleaders. Any

[46:01] other questions about the

[46:04] >> I'm I'm not really a Well, it's kind of

[46:06] a question. It's actually a request. Um

[46:12] I hate to say this because nobody's

[46:13] going to be happy. Nobody in the staff

[46:15] is going to be happy. Um, I would

[46:17] actually like to see, especially when we

[46:20] have large credit card purchases, um,

[46:23] kind of a breakdown of what it was that

[46:26] we bought, um, so that we have some

[46:29] clarity in that as we're as we're going

[46:32] through here because I trust everybody.

[46:34] don't think I don't. But if people ask,

[46:37] hey, we've spent this much money at at

[46:40] Costco or we spent this much money on

[46:43] Amazon and it could be going to people's

[46:44] homes. I can say no. This is this is the

[46:46] things that we bought. Um I don't know

[46:49] if we're currently doing that, but I I

[46:51] would like to see it. I apologize to

[46:53] everybody who has to go through that

[46:55] pain.

[46:58] » Actually, this is something we're going

[46:59] to bring up in staff meeting. Uh, just

[47:02] so you're aware, there is no other city

[47:05] in in Utah that provides credit card

[47:08] statements. Now, we're okay with doing

[47:10] it because all of ours have receipts to

[47:12] back up all of our statements. It can be

[47:15] shown what it's for, but we are putting

[47:18] the city at a little bit of an exposure.

[47:21] Um, and we need to talk about some of

[47:23] that. I think that it would be better to

[47:25] come under each department head to

[47:27] review those expenses that go underneath

[47:29] [clears throat] their budget and ask

[47:31] those questions on their

[47:33] >> which would be fine. I know that I've

[47:35] asked you to buy things for the fire

[47:36] department and and the MS um and and so

[47:40] it'll be it'll be fine to because

[47:42] nothing is really going over those you

[47:45] know those approval levels. Well,

[47:47] actually, there might be some, but um

[47:50] but it'll be nice to see, especially

[47:51] when we have when we have big

[47:52] expenditures of of what it's going to um

[47:56] just so that we can say, you know, this

[47:59] Best Buy purchase, I could pull that one

[48:01] up and say this was for this particular

[48:03] thing that we needed in in the in the

[48:05] office and someone isn't thinking that

[48:07] we're taking it because I've had a

[48:09] couple of comments where people think

[48:11] we're on the take. I mean, I don't know

[48:13] if you guys have heard them, but I have

[48:14] heard them. um and and think that that everybody in the city is on the

[48:19] tape and I don't like it and I looking

[48:22] for more clarity.

[48:23] >> Question I would have is how would that

[48:25] clarity be provided? So for example, for

[48:27] all of our credit card purchases, we

[48:29] submit our receipts to Lori so she can

[48:31] give you the details of every one of

[48:33] those purchases that we've made because

[48:35] she has all the breakdown of all the

[48:36] receipts. Um,

[48:38] >> and I'm good with that. If if I just get

[48:40] and and I'm kind of looking for a way

[48:42] that I can I can review it before I sign

[48:47] off on, you know, before we vote on it

[48:48] so that I can be honest with

[48:52] constituents when they're when they're

[48:54] asking me um and saying nasty things.

[48:57] Had a bad week. Do you really want to be

[49:00] liable for all those details and getting

[49:01] them straight and not messing it up and having all

[49:05] >> I I want to be able to get to them,

[49:07] right? I want to make sure that I can

[49:10] get to them if I need to and I can also

[49:12] review them just so I say, "Yep, I feel

[49:14] comfortable with that."

[49:15] >> Um, so

[49:16] >> just tell them to talk to Lori.

[49:18] >> Is Brian just go Lori and she can get

[49:19] you anything you need.

[49:20] >> I think what we've got to be careful

[49:21] here is, you know, this is I think

[49:24] bleeding and this is the line, right?

[49:26] And this is what I'm as the mayor

[49:27] wanting to be sure is very clear is you

[49:30] guys are in charge of the budget. You're

[49:33] in charge of all the execution. You hold

[49:34] the purse strings as the council. um

[49:37] every single one of the transactions

[49:40] greater than I think I've said $1,500

[49:44] pretty much $2,25,000

[49:47] we usually anything under

[49:49] >> I have to sign off on right um because

[49:52] so it's going through multiple checks if

[49:55] for any reason just so you guys are

[49:57] aware if for any reason I personally am

[50:01] part of the transaction I call Janet and

[50:04] have her do that second step. Um, and

[50:07] she comes in and then she signs that receipt. Um, and so every single

[50:13] one of these dispersements are going

[50:15] through three different checks and

[50:17] balances. So I would recommend if

[50:20] anybody ever is suggesting

[50:24] that we are on the take,

[50:27] invite them to come into the office.

[50:28] >> We're on the give.

[50:30] >> Yeah, we're on the very much the give.

[50:32] >> You know, I know that, right? But I

[50:35] mean, I just I I I I get these and it's

[50:39] been, like I said, a rough couple of

[50:40] weeks with some of the things that have

[50:42] been said to me. Um, and

[50:47] >> I I would suggest reaching out to Lori

[50:49] because she can give you details and any

[50:50] of those you're questioning. She has all

[50:52] the receipts and the breakdown of what the expenditures were. I mean, as a

[50:56] staff, we go through our receipts. We

[50:57] mark what accounts they go to and what

[50:59] they're working on.

[51:01] >> So, the information is there.

[51:03] >> Yeah. If we don't I mean I'm I'm happy

[51:05] to do that and that's fine if that's the right way for me to to review that

[51:09] and I'm I'm good with it. Um that's

[51:12] fine.

[51:14] >> That way I can say yes, I signed off on

[51:15] it and I believe everything that

[51:18] >> that has been I I mean I believe it

[51:20] anyhow. I already tell them that but I

[51:21] can say that I've seen the receipts and

[51:23] yes, they're valid purchases.

[51:26] >> Yeah. And I would encourage it push back

[51:27] a little. Right. I think sometimes we're

[51:30] too nice. Now I still say be nice. Don't

[51:33] be mean to our residents.

[51:34] >> Yeah, but that's not me. I'm not nice.

[51:37] >> But well, you are hostile, Hutchings.

[51:39] That is true.

[51:40] >> But I think what you what we should do

[51:43] though is is say, "Hey, if you believe

[51:46] something corrupt is going on, right,

[51:49] come into the office and talk to us.

[51:52] Let's let's nip the rumors

[51:55] in the butt because they're just not

[51:58] accurate. Some people are just going to

[52:00] make stuff up and they're going to

[52:03] create stuff that's not there and that's

[52:06] just the way it is and that's not going

[52:07] to change. And you can have all the

[52:09] facts in the world and you can do all

[52:10] the convincing that you want to do and

[52:12] you will not convince that person that

[52:14] we're honest

[52:15] >> and they're wrong. You just won't. You

[52:18] can have all the information in the

[52:19] world and you will not convince them.

[52:21] >> And down to every

[52:23] >> Yeah. down on those credit cards. Every

[52:26] receipt we tracked down to the point of

[52:30] there was a receipt that was for $54 and

[52:34] some odds and I didn't know what what it

[52:36] was for. I called Amazon. I called the

[52:40] vendor. I finally called the credit card

[52:42] company and they were able to tell me

[52:44] exactly what it was for. And I was able

[52:45] to go to that person and say, "Uh, did

[52:48] you charge something here for this, and this?" And they're like, "Oh,

[52:51] yeah. Let me get you that receipt."

[52:53] Well, that's how we we do it. I mean, we

[52:56] make sure every receipt accompanies

[52:58] those bills.

[53:00] >> I I know without a shadow of a doubt

[53:02] that everything is being done on the up

[53:04] and up, but I'm getting accused of

[53:06] signing off on things that are not on

[53:09] the up that that that aren't true, and

[53:12] it's frustrating.

[53:15] >> Please ask them to

[53:16] >> Yeah. have them come in and also

[53:18] understand that the checks and balances

[53:21] are in place and to a degree sometimes

[53:24] on these monthly expenses that is what

[53:26] you guys are voting on is the system not

[53:30] necessarily every penny but the fact

[53:33] that we have decided and worked together

[53:35] to create the systems that do not allow

[53:37] fraud in our city.

[53:40] >> Absolutely.

[53:40] >> But if you have questions you also have

[53:42] the ability to ask those. So, well, we

[53:46] probably won't utilize the funds of the

[53:48] city from an administrative standpoint

[53:51] to extrapolate all those every single

[53:54] month.

[53:55] >> That's fair. If I That's fair. I get it.

[53:58] >> Okay. Thank you though, Brian. Uh, any

[54:01] other questions?

[54:04] » Okay, then we will move on. Uh, Ted, the

[54:08] annual sewer system report. I've been

[54:10] really looking forward to this.

[54:11] >> Oh, yes. I've been excited to present

[54:13] this to you guys tonight.

[54:18] Still flowing. So sewer flows downhill

[54:22] >> right over to PAC.

[54:23] >> Unless you have a lift station, then

[54:24] [laughter] you can lift it. Yeah, we

[54:26] send it all to PAC. No. So every year we

[54:28] have to fill out an annual um municipal

[54:32] wastewater.

[54:34] Um essentially it it's a program

[54:38] planning program is what it is. this

[54:39] wall time basically just goes through

[54:41] and um gives a little bit information

[54:44] about our system. We have to put in

[54:46] everything that goes into our system.

[54:48] How many connections we have um

[54:51] >> everything?

[54:52] >> What's that?

[54:53] >> Everything that goes into the system.

[54:54] >> Everything.

[54:54] >> Okay.

[54:55] >> That's what when you're filling out

[54:56] report kind of how you feel. [laughter]

[54:59] Um, [clears throat]

[55:01] and it talks about what our we have to

[55:03] report what our sewer system rate is,

[55:05] how many connections we have. Do we have

[55:08] a replacement program in place? Um, do

[55:11] we have a sinking fund for the sewer

[55:13] system, replacement and repair fund?

[55:17] Um, and then it asked, do you have a

[55:20] 5year, 10 year, 20-year plan, stuff like

[55:22] that?

[55:23] So I went through and then the last

[55:25] thing we have to do is you have to

[55:26] present it to council is what the state

[55:28] requires. So um

[55:32] >> how does that work when the some of the

[55:34] system is ours but obviously the entire

[55:38] system is mostly pacin. So we only have

[55:41] to fill that out as it results as it is

[55:44] for what's actually in the ground in our

[55:46] city and then they would pick it up as

[55:49] where it goes in along the way and into

[55:51] PAC's big system. You don't have to

[55:52] report on their whole entire system.

[55:55] >> Oh, no, no, no, no. This is just what we

[55:57] own as a city. Okay.

[55:59] >> Which is only within our city

[56:00] boundaries.

[56:01] >> Okay.

[56:02] >> Um, so that's what I went through. Um,

[56:05] one thing to note maybe that um is

[56:08] probably got to be something that's on

[56:10] our list.

[56:12] We do have a fund um that builds it's a

[56:16] sewer like waters enterprise fund,

[56:18] right? And we do have money in there to

[56:20] maintain our sewer system. Um, our sewer

[56:23] system is fairly new and we did have it

[56:26] videoed

[56:28] uh about the time I started. So, two and

[56:30] a half years ago, we had the whole

[56:32] system videoed uh sorry, sounded uh to

[56:34] get a condition assessment and it all

[56:36] came back as in great condition, our

[56:38] sewer. So, our system is really in good

[56:41] condition. We do budget money every year

[56:43] to go towards maintenance. We haven't

[56:45] luckily needed much of that. Uh, one

[56:48] thing I do want to start though is a

[56:50] program of videoing so much sewer every

[56:52] year. Every they say every 5 years

[56:54] you're supposed to video your sewer just

[56:56] to check it. So we have about 5 miles of

[56:59] sewer lines in our city. So I'd like to

[57:01] do like a mile or so every year. So

[57:03] every 5 years we're videoing the old

[57:04] sewer. Um, [clears throat]

[57:07] so we do have money that goes back into

[57:08] our sewer system. And uh, but that's a

[57:11] fund we got to continue to build. So, as

[57:14] we look at our sewer system replacement,

[57:16] we'll want to continue not spending all

[57:18] of our maintenance money, but save some

[57:20] of that in an enterprise in the

[57:22] enterprise fund so that we have some

[57:24] replacement costs down the road. And

[57:26] that's really what the state's concerned

[57:27] about these days is because what they're

[57:30] finding is a lot of cities uh and and

[57:33] you know, right? So, it's a balance when

[57:35] you're municipality between what do I

[57:36] charge for my rate and what do I put

[57:39] into my fund as slush fund for

[57:41] replacement costs. Most times

[57:44] municipalities in the past have elected

[57:46] to keep their rates rates lower, but

[57:49] then they're not they're only they're

[57:50] basically spending everything they have

[57:53] and what they're finding is now cities

[57:55] are getting 20 30 years down the road

[57:56] much like us and there's no fund to

[57:58] replace the system and they start

[58:00] convincing you have to start going out

[58:02] and getting loans and grants and all

[58:03] that kind of stuff. So um and that's

[58:05] kind of how our system is right now. We

[58:06] do have a little bit of money we're

[58:07] setting aside. What I'm going to propose

[58:09] that we probably look at in the near

[58:11] future is um I haven't had a lot of time

[58:15] to dig into the sewer yet. Uh still

[58:17] getting through roads and water, but um

[58:19] and sewer is not a major utility for us

[58:22] because we only have about quarter of

[58:24] our city that's covered with sewer. Um

[58:27] but start looking at what are we setting

[58:29] aside. It's about a $3 million system we

[58:31] have. What would it take to start

[58:33] setting site every year so that when the

[58:35] system reaches its life in 50 years,

[58:37] we've got some money there to start

[58:38] replacing it?

[58:38] >> Does that replacement fund come from the

[58:40] entire city or only those who are users?

[58:43] >> So right now only those that are users

[58:45] pay towards the system. If you're on

[58:46] septic you don't pay towards the sewer.

[58:48] >> It's a user fee for the those that are

[58:50] on the sewer.

[58:52] >> It's fee based fun.

[58:54] >> Yeah. So currently we don't have any

[58:56] reserve allocated for

[58:59] >> so we've been setting aside about 10,000

[59:01] a year or something like that is what we

[59:02] have and that's been since I started

[59:04] here what I've seen is about 10,000 a

[59:06] year or so we we we set aside for you

[59:08] know maintenance and stuff like that we

[59:10] don't really use a lot of that but what

[59:12] I'd like to do is is when we get dig

[59:13] into this what would it take for us to

[59:15] set aside not that necessarily means

[59:18] raising our sewer rates but what should

[59:21] we be looking at as capturing through um

[59:24] our depreciation money and stuff like

[59:26] that is to set aside in our funds so

[59:28] that we do have some replacement costs

[59:30] down the road.

[59:33] So other than that, uh we have about

[59:35] well I said a little over 5 miles of

[59:37] sewer. Uh it's all 8 in uh been

[59:40] installed since about 2002

[59:43] and we have about 133 connections to the

[59:46] sewer of 560ish

[59:49] homes.

[59:50] 133.

[59:52] Okay.

[59:55] And if you want to get into the details

[59:57] of our sewer system,

[1:00:00] just give me a call. I'm happy to

[1:00:02] discuss all the details of sewer with

[1:00:03] you. Uh we do not treat sewer. It all

[1:00:06] goes to PAC to be treated and we do are

[1:00:09] our part of our fee, well the majority

[1:00:11] of our fee that residents pay goes to

[1:00:13] PAC for treating the sewer.

[1:00:15] >> Yeah,

[1:00:16] >> we do have a little bit of that money

[1:00:17] that we keep and that's because of our

[1:00:19] maintenance and setting aside

[1:00:24] Thanks.

[1:00:25] >> Any questions?

[1:00:28] Sweet. I can check that off the list

[1:00:30] now. Perfect. So proud of you.

[1:00:33] >> You're about to leave. You can just

[1:00:35] >> Yeah. See how fun this is. This is the

[1:00:37] report I had to do.

[1:00:39] >> If [snorts] everybody wants some good

[1:00:40] readings, it's right there. Um, grant

[1:00:43] update.

[1:00:43] >> Oh, sorry. I was going to ask one

[1:00:45] question. Is is our fee to PAC, is it

[1:00:50] affiliated with the .edu edu we were

[1:00:52] talking about last council meeting

[1:00:54] estimated daily water usage rate or how

[1:00:58] is that calculated those fees

[1:01:00] >> generally yes um so they charge us a set

[1:01:03] rate we have an agreement with PAC and

[1:01:06] in that agreement it's a set rate they

[1:01:08] charge each of our residents or well

[1:01:10] they charge us see we charge our

[1:01:11] residents um but that's based on the

[1:01:14] daily water use because essentially they

[1:01:16] assume what water you're using goes back

[1:01:18] down

[1:01:18] >> yeah right so they they do charge

[1:01:21] charges per connection based on kind of

[1:01:23] the average water use.

[1:01:24] >> So, so if

[1:01:26] >> Okay, gotcha. So, if there were a

[1:01:28] reduction at a state level of estimated

[1:01:30] [snorts] daily usage, that could

[1:01:33] offer some relief potentially. I'm I'm

[1:01:36] just theorizing here, but

[1:01:38] >> uh potentially. Yeah,

[1:01:40] >> I'm still looking for

[1:01:42] >> we actually when we did our agreement

[1:01:44] with PACON, we actually did it on the

[1:01:46] actual use and not what the state

[1:01:48] >> got. So, I don't know that we would get

[1:01:51] a lot of benefit from that because we're

[1:01:52] already doing that.

[1:01:53] >> Okay, cool.

[1:01:56] >> Sweet. Sorry. Thanks.

[1:01:58] >> You're good. Any other questions before

[1:01:59] I accidentally cut Steve off?

[1:02:03] I was slow.

[1:02:04] >> You're good. Okay. Uh grants.

[1:02:07] >> Uh grants. Um so, we have a few grants

[1:02:10] out there. I'll give you a couple

[1:02:11] reports. Um the assistance to

[1:02:14] firefighter grants, which which is the

[1:02:15] one we got from FEMA. We bought our new

[1:02:16] SUVAs through, got everything submitted

[1:02:19] to FEMA to get reimbursed for that one

[1:02:21] and then Homeland Security shut down and

[1:02:25] uh like the very next day after I got it

[1:02:28] all approved. They shut down. So, we've

[1:02:31] been waiting for that one for a little

[1:02:32] while. Um I did finally got hold of

[1:02:36] FEMA. I called every so often and just

[1:02:38] kept getting voicemail saying we're not

[1:02:40] here um due to the shutdown. They shut

[1:02:43] their website down and everything. I

[1:02:44] finally got a hold of someone last week.

[1:02:46] Uh they're back. I did confirm with her

[1:02:49] that everything is approved. They have

[1:02:50] everything on from us that they need.

[1:02:52] Everything's approved on their side.

[1:02:54] Just waiting to release the money and

[1:02:55] she couldn't say when they'll release

[1:02:56] the money, but um so that's an update on

[1:03:00] the AFG grant. Um

[1:03:02] >> the city has paid that bill already,

[1:03:04] right? We're just waiting for

[1:03:05] reimbursement.

[1:03:06] >> Right. Right. We paid the bill. Yeah.

[1:03:08] >> It's called AFG grant.

[1:03:09] >> AFG assistance to firefighter grant.

[1:03:11] Yeah.

[1:03:14] Um, so far no word from the Utah Outdoor

[1:03:17] Recreation Grant we submitted for the

[1:03:18] pickle ball court. Haven't heard from

[1:03:20] them yet. I've checked and they haven't scored them or anything yet. So,

[1:03:24] still I'm not sure what that timeline is

[1:03:27] to hear on that one. Um,

[1:03:33] we did also

[1:03:35] uh submit for a trail grant to

[1:03:38] Mountainland Association of Governments

[1:03:40] um to complete this first segment of our

[1:03:42] trail. Um, as a tech committee member,

[1:03:46] we have been going through the tech

[1:03:47] committee has been going through all of

[1:03:48] those

[1:03:50] grants. Uh

[1:03:54] about a month or so ago, we went through

[1:03:55] the um project idea re um presentations.

[1:04:00] 44 projects were presented to MAG. They

[1:04:02] have about 110 million to 120 million in

[1:04:05] money this year. Uh on their it's their

[1:04:08] two-year cycle. Um there were aboutund

[1:04:10] and well at the time a little over $200

[1:04:13] million in projects submitted. Um we

[1:04:17] went through the first round of what I

[1:04:19] call project ideas. Um there were 44

[1:04:22] project ideas. Um those then got

[1:04:26] feedback got presented to the TAC

[1:04:27] committee. Um one of which we presented

[1:04:30] after our trail. Um after that there was

[1:04:33] feedback from the entirety of the

[1:04:34] committee. 14 of those projects dropped

[1:04:36] off the list. We met yesterday as a TAC

[1:04:40] committee and went through the remaining

[1:04:41] 30 in concept planning phase and we

[1:04:44] ranked them. the staff has now ranked

[1:04:45] them. Uh right now ours is ranked about

[1:04:48] 19 of the 19 out of the 30. Um and it

[1:04:51] just all depends on they're going to

[1:04:53] send out the list. I'm going to try they

[1:04:55] haven't sent out yet, but I'm going to

[1:04:56] try and kind of estimate. We're about

[1:04:57] right on the bubble of whether we get

[1:04:59] funded or not.

[1:05:00] >> Um or really close. So, um we'll see how

[1:05:04] that goes. They also talked about maybe

[1:05:06] breaking out a few trail projects

[1:05:08] separate from road projects because

[1:05:09] there's both trails and roads um and

[1:05:11] transit. Um, so they talked about maybe

[1:05:14] they do a kind of a trail package and a

[1:05:15] roads package type thing. They're not

[1:05:17] sure, but basically once they rank them

[1:05:19] all, uh, we're going to meet one more

[1:05:22] time next Monday just to make sure we're

[1:05:23] okay with the ranking, see if we adjust

[1:05:24] anything, and then it goes to the board,

[1:05:26] which the mayor's a member of, uh, as a

[1:05:28] recommended list, and then

[1:05:30] >> the staff just starts allocating money

[1:05:33] until they run out down the ranking

[1:05:35] list. Uh, so we're we're right on the

[1:05:38] boat.

[1:05:39] >> You got my boat, Ted.

[1:05:41] >> Oh, you're on the board. You're going to

[1:05:42] be the one.

[1:05:42] >> Yeah, you got to start

[1:05:44] >> and making your calls to the other the

[1:05:46] other mayors, right?

[1:05:47] >> I have already started.

[1:05:49] >> Yeah. Wonderful. Okay.

[1:05:51] >> Perfect.

[1:05:51] >> Um and then uh it seemed like we had one

[1:05:55] other grant out there, but uh

[1:05:59] >> water uh

[1:06:00] >> Yes, sorry. Yeah. Uh Burgess Owens. So,

[1:06:03] we did submit a grant to uh Burgess

[1:06:06] Owens for a federal mark for a water

[1:06:08] project. Um haven't heard anything back

[1:06:11] on that one yet. I suspect it's going to

[1:06:12] take a little while. Uh it's got to go

[1:06:14] back for uh federal air mark. So we each senator is allowed to take 20

[1:06:20] projects

[1:06:22] and no 20 or 21. 20 or 21. I think it's

[1:06:26] 20.

[1:06:26] >> Um so of the 20 that Burgess Olen's

[1:06:29] office is taking for federal air, we

[1:06:31] ranked four out of the 20. So there's a

[1:06:34] shot we'll get something. Maybe not that

[1:06:36] we requested. I think it's 2.4 four

[1:06:38] million or 2.9. I don't know we'll get

[1:06:41] the full thing, but but I there's a good

[1:06:43] shot we'll get some for water

[1:06:44] replacement.

[1:06:45] >> Talked to him on Saturday and said, you

[1:06:47] know, we're crossing our fingers. Please

[1:06:49] do whatever we can.

[1:06:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. I emailed him last week to

[1:06:52] his representative, the one I've been

[1:06:54] working with in his office and same

[1:06:56] thing. Said that I was asking for an

[1:06:57] update, but I never heard from me.

[1:06:59] >> Yeah.

[1:07:02] >> Wonderful. Okay. Then we will move to

[1:07:04] the departmental reports unless anybody

[1:07:06] has any questions for Ted on grants.

[1:07:11] » Okay. Uh community development, public

[1:07:13] works, and fire.

[1:07:15] >> All right. So, uh public works and

[1:07:18] community development. Um so, just an

[1:07:20] update on our retaining wall out here. I

[1:07:22] had two different geoteex come to look

[1:07:24] at it for us. Uh one who lives in the

[1:07:26] city and one that um Councilman John's

[1:07:30] recommended. uh met with both of them

[1:07:33] and they both came independently to kind

[1:07:36] of the same assessment. Um the wall

[1:07:39] seems to be fairly stable barring a

[1:07:41] major event, an earthquake or something

[1:07:43] like that. Uh mainly the the concern is

[1:07:45] with some of the rocks are just

[1:07:47] fracturing a bit. Not like falling

[1:07:49] apart, but just pieces of them breaking

[1:07:50] off. It's kind of that shelly stuff. Um

[1:07:53] they both assessed we've probably got

[1:07:55] about three to five years to you know an

[1:07:58] estimated timeline that we should think

[1:08:00] about replacing it within. Uh so it's

[1:08:02] nothing urgent, nothing uh like

[1:08:04] immediate that was a a huge concern to

[1:08:06] them, but uh suggested we start

[1:08:09] budgeting and within the next 3 to 5

[1:08:10] years replace it with something a little different. So and they gave some

[1:08:16] estimated pricing and stuff like that.

[1:08:17] So, we'll talk about it maybe at the

[1:08:19] staff level and just see uh put together

[1:08:21] some prices and see what we want to

[1:08:22] start doing. Come back with some ideas

[1:08:24] on what we start setting aside to to

[1:08:26] budget for the wall maybe to replace the

[1:08:28] next three years.

[1:08:31] >> Great.

[1:08:32] >> Um so also I wanted to ask uh just two

[1:08:38] more things. Sorry. Um

[1:08:41] we got an email yesterday. So, as you

[1:08:43] know, the county is redoing the

[1:08:44] roundabout. Um the timeline of it

[1:08:46] slipped a little bit. It may or may not

[1:08:48] happen this summer.

[1:08:49] >> Their plan was to make it happen this

[1:08:50] summer, but

[1:08:52] they're getting to a point where they

[1:08:54] think they're probably they've still

[1:08:55] going to work through rightway issues

[1:08:57] and that's what may hang them up a

[1:08:58] little bit. If they can't get through

[1:09:00] those quick enough, uh they may end up

[1:09:03] bumping uh a year. Um, however, I did uh

[1:09:08] we've been working with their design

[1:09:09] team and they asked me uh yesterday what

[1:09:12] we would like for landscaping in the

[1:09:14] roundabout.

[1:09:16] >> So, I want to throw that out of the

[1:09:17] council. Just you don't have to answer

[1:09:19] now, but throw me some ideas.

[1:09:22] Um, they said they're willing to put

[1:09:25] back what we have now. Trees. They'll

[1:09:26] put back the flag poles for sure. Uh, if

[1:09:28] we want trees, they'll put trees back.

[1:09:30] If we want more of a zeroscapes type

[1:09:32] stuff, they'll put more zeroscape. Um, I

[1:09:35] just knowing the issues we've had with

[1:09:36] irrigation in that thing, I'm I'm

[1:09:38] hesitant to put plants, but I'll do

[1:09:40] whatever the city wants to do. The trees

[1:09:41] do look nice, but we keep having

[1:09:43] sprinkler breaks and stuff like that flood it, and I'm afraid it's

[1:09:47] could, you know, potentially result in

[1:09:49] damage to around the um

[1:09:52] >> I think residents would prefer some sort

[1:09:54] of greenery there because it is the

[1:09:57] entrance to the city. Um,

[1:10:00] >> it is woodland hills.

[1:10:01] >> Yeah.

[1:10:02] And so I think that they would

[1:10:05] prefer that. Um,

[1:10:06] >> but we could have a big granite mountain

[1:10:09] with a big bronze elk on there.

[1:10:13] >> Yeah. To remind us that we that used to

[1:10:15] be

[1:10:16] >> Welcome to Little Hills. [laughter]

[1:10:17] >> I bet Summit Creek would pay for that.

[1:10:19] >> I told Richard,

[1:10:22] >> Bucky, did you hear me? [laughter]

[1:10:26] » I saw his like this.

[1:10:29] >> Sweet. Thank you, Bucky.

[1:10:31] >> He did. He was bronze elk in the

[1:10:33] roundabout.

[1:10:34] >> A big granite mountain with a bronze

[1:10:36] elk.

[1:10:37] >> The new roundabout.

[1:10:38] >> I think it's only about 60 grand. So

[1:10:40] >> that's it.

[1:10:41] >> So there are a few things they're looking at in type stuff.

[1:10:45] >> If we want a bronze elk

[1:10:48] >> or I suggested I told Richard and Glenn

[1:10:50] we could put statues of them in the

[1:10:51] roundabout to commemorate there.

[1:10:53] >> Yeah.

[1:10:54] >> Um or if we want a city entrance sign,

[1:10:57] those will be costs that we'll probably

[1:10:58] have to bear. They'll put them in, but

[1:10:59] we'll have to provide them with things

[1:11:01] that are kind of beyond what's there to

[1:11:03] a limit.

[1:11:04] >> Just tell them there's a big bronze elk

[1:11:06] in there right now. [laughter]

[1:11:10] >> Does that include any utility in there?

[1:11:11] I know we have we have power in there

[1:11:12] now. I'm guessing

[1:11:13] >> we do have power and they're willing to

[1:11:14] put power back in there to light the

[1:11:16] flag poles and stuff like that. Uh

[1:11:18] they'll replace all that. They'll

[1:11:19] replace everything we have. Um if we go

[1:11:22] too extreme beyond that,

[1:11:25] >> yeah,

[1:11:25] >> you know, they'll want us to to bear

[1:11:27] some of the uh And I'll also end up

[1:11:29] signing a interlocal agreement with them

[1:11:31] that to maintain it again like

[1:11:33] >> which is fine.

[1:11:34] >> What's the just out of curiosity um

[1:11:38] what is

[1:11:41] like a standard protocol for visibility

[1:11:43] over a roundabout? Like I've noticed a

[1:11:45] lot of the roundabouts like the newer

[1:11:46] ones in like Spanish they're basically

[1:11:49] real lowle like so you can see on you

[1:11:51] know all the different cars coming in

[1:11:53] and out. Ours is a little bit taller and

[1:11:56] narrow,

[1:11:56] >> right? But ours is a little bit taller

[1:11:57] where, you know,

[1:12:00] >> you don't see the the And I don't know

[1:12:01] if that's good or bad. Like, do they

[1:12:03] like for for like headlight glare and

[1:12:05] things like that to knock that down? Is

[1:12:07] there like a standard thing that they

[1:12:10] prefer to see inside of a roundabout? So

[1:12:12] there's there's I don't know there's

[1:12:13] like a a a

[1:12:17] when you're looking at the technical

[1:12:18] design of a roundabout. I don't know

[1:12:20] that comes up in the technical design,

[1:12:21] but there is some theory out there that

[1:12:24] when you have trees like ours and you

[1:12:26] can't you limit that visibility through

[1:12:28] the roundabout, people tend to be more

[1:12:29] cautious

[1:12:30] >> because they can't see through the

[1:12:31] roundabout. So they slow down more

[1:12:33] >> to look for oncoming traffic.

[1:12:36] um having the taller walls and that it

[1:12:38] does create some of Spanish Forks. Um I

[1:12:42] did talk to so the engineers that are

[1:12:44] designing this one have also done some

[1:12:45] of Spanish forks. So I talked to about

[1:12:47] maybe they've done one down there that's

[1:12:48] kind of a rock

[1:12:49] >> instead of concrete. The reason they did

[1:12:52] that is because if someone crashes into

[1:12:53] it, it's much easier to replace a rock

[1:12:54] than a concrete wall,

[1:12:56] >> right? So there's kind of mixed um

[1:13:00] reviews on on what you do as far as

[1:13:02] height and what the material is. Um I

[1:13:05] don't know that's really engineering

[1:13:06] technical stuff as it is more of um when

[1:13:08] they're looking at safety um

[1:13:12] replaceability aesthetic stuff like

[1:13:14] that.

[1:13:14] >> I just wondered I've always wondered

[1:13:16] like

[1:13:16] >> I know some people don't because you

[1:13:19] can't see through. So I do hear reports

[1:13:21] back I wish we didn't have those so we

[1:13:22] could see through there but

[1:13:23] >> but when you talk to some of the

[1:13:24] designers around about they say it's

[1:13:26] actually not a bad thing because it

[1:13:27] slows people down more.

[1:13:28] >> Yeah. Do we think that um I don't know

[1:13:31] Sherry you're online but if PTR would

[1:13:34] look at the possibility of of how we

[1:13:37] would like to to have that if it's

[1:13:40] changed at all but also maybe a campaign

[1:13:43] to um get donations for that statue of

[1:13:47] some sort. I think that citizens would

[1:13:50] think that was a cool idea and and maybe

[1:13:53] some of our um some people would want to

[1:13:56] donate extra and some people would want

[1:13:59] to donate a little bit, but I think that

[1:14:01] would be a worthy ask from the parks and

[1:14:04] trails committee.

[1:14:07] >> Okay.

[1:14:10] And we do have some sculptors in town

[1:14:12] that might

[1:14:14] >> That's who I want one from. But that'll

[1:14:15] be

[1:14:16] >> they might they might be willing to give

[1:14:19] us the friends and family discount.

[1:14:22] >> Yeah, you're still paying for bronze.

[1:14:23] >> Well, yeah, you're still paying a lot of

[1:14:24] money, but it might not be 100,000.

[1:14:26] Maybe it's only going to be

[1:14:28] >> 40,000.

[1:14:29] >> So, I have spoken with Mark already on

[1:14:31] front. Um, and well, I've most mostly

[1:14:33] spoken to his wife because she's the

[1:14:35] business end.

[1:14:36] >> Yeah. So he has an eagle, a bald eagle

[1:14:39] that is called Liberty and it stands

[1:14:42] about 6 feet tall and so it's kind of an

[1:14:45] eagle flying, you know, a lot of time

[1:14:47] come in.

[1:14:49] >> Well, elk is kind of in Elk Ridge,

[1:14:52] right? And so there's been thoughts on

[1:14:54] maybe not an elk simply because our

[1:14:57] neighboring city is Elk Ridge. Um, and

[1:15:00] us it'd be a little presumptive, but

[1:15:03] >> I don't think so. We're the ones that

[1:15:04] get the elk at the round belt. Did you

[1:15:07] see them there yesterday? They were

[1:15:09] >> But has no elk.

[1:15:10] >> If we get something that he's already

[1:15:12] sculpted, there is a much lower price

[1:15:15] cuz then all he has to do is cast in wax

[1:15:17] and then take it to the refin the

[1:15:19] >> okay

[1:15:19] >> to the refinery and then he just has to

[1:15:21] get it cast in bronze versus sculpting

[1:15:24] something. So, if you're going to do a

[1:15:27] mountain or boulder stack with an an elk

[1:15:30] on it, that is a very very custom piece

[1:15:35] and a bronze at that size. You're

[1:15:38] looking potentially in the six digits,

[1:15:41] >> right? So, we might have to look outside

[1:15:43] of just a a local person. We might look

[1:15:46] to the surrounding areas for other

[1:15:49] sculpt.

[1:15:49] >> You're talking

[1:15:51] that they sell a lot of.

[1:15:52] >> Yeah. If we go down to Home Depot when

[1:15:54] that aluminum guy's down there, we could

[1:15:56] really score big.

[1:15:58] >> He's out in front of the steakhouse

[1:16:00] usually. Yeah. By Home Depot, right?

[1:16:02] Think of that guy.

[1:16:03] >> We could get We could get a steak and

[1:16:05] then check out the

[1:16:06] >> He also sells little green men. That

[1:16:08] would be fun. We could throw a few

[1:16:09] aliens,

[1:16:09] >> but I know there's a few sculptures. I

[1:16:11] mean, a few cities have sculpture

[1:16:14] sculptures in their city, and we could

[1:16:15] maybe ask

[1:16:16] >> the city that they have the

[1:16:18] >> um Springfield has quite a few.

[1:16:21] >> I

[1:16:22] um at the entrance of of uh Snow Canyon.

[1:16:26] I know I mean this is 15 20 years ago.

[1:16:29] They spent about a million dollars on

[1:16:31] the round about all the statues in the

[1:16:32] middle of it

[1:16:34] >> and they're like super custom bronze. I

[1:16:36] know the developer that that worked that

[1:16:40] through with the city.

[1:16:42] the fire guys are just a fire tornado

[1:16:44] that just

[1:16:45] >> No,

[1:16:49] I try not to cut you guys off too much,

[1:16:50] but we're moving that helicopter.

[1:16:53] >> We are moving on.

[1:16:54] >> Sherry has her hand up.

[1:16:55] >> Sherry, I'll let you talk here now.

[1:16:57] >> I'm I'm as PTR, I'm willing to put a,

[1:17:02] you know, a blurb out there on the

[1:17:03] Facebook page what the community would

[1:17:05] like to see just so we can get community

[1:17:08] input. Um,

[1:17:10] >> yeah. Yeah.

[1:17:12] >> Yeah.

[1:17:12] >> No, I think that would be great if uh if

[1:17:14] you could before you send that, Sherry,

[1:17:16] could you just send me the the the print

[1:17:18] copy on that, the text that you want to

[1:17:20] send out?

[1:17:21] >> You bet.

[1:17:23] >> Thank you.

[1:17:25] Okay, perfect.

[1:17:28] What do you got next?

[1:17:29] >> Um Oh, see this page right here? You

[1:17:32] guys just get comfortable. Um

[1:17:36] just kid one last thing, and this is

[1:17:38] nothing to make a decision on. just

[1:17:40] wanted to see what the council's

[1:17:41] appetite is for this um to see how far I

[1:17:44] pursue it. But um

[1:17:45] >> no,

[1:17:47] >> there is there is a helicopter that's

[1:17:49] for sale that's

[1:17:51] >> So I've been looking into warning signs

[1:17:54] um for our fire station.

[1:17:56] >> So these would be warning signs that

[1:17:58] would replace So right now we have these

[1:18:00] a firet truck here sign a fire truck

[1:18:02] down there. Uh they're just fire station

[1:18:04] type signs. These are actually warning

[1:18:06] signs that would activate when we come

[1:18:10] in the station. There would be a button

[1:18:12] we would hit that would flash those

[1:18:14] lights to warn traffic were actually

[1:18:16] leaving the station and then they would

[1:18:19] be active for like 5 minutes, give us

[1:18:20] time to get gone and then they and then

[1:18:22] they deactivate.

[1:18:23] >> That's a great idea.

[1:18:24] >> Um so it requires a bit of an equipment

[1:18:27] setup. Um it would be a couple of signs

[1:18:31] and then you would need a repeater

[1:18:32] because on one side it would have to

[1:18:35] come as a they have to set up the

[1:18:36] equipment in station for the button

[1:18:38] everything the antenna that would then

[1:18:39] talk but it can't reach the one sign so

[1:18:41] it would have to have a repeater over

[1:18:42] here that then reaches down to that

[1:18:44] sign. I think this would be okay. Bottom

[1:18:46] line is is we're roughly looking in the

[1:18:48] neighborhood of probably 20 to 25,000

[1:18:50] set those up. Um, so nothing to make a

[1:18:54] decision on, but I've just been working

[1:18:56] with a guy to figure this out. Um,

[1:19:00] it's always been, I think,

[1:19:01] nerve-wracking, uh, for our department

[1:19:04] when we're leaving because we get a lot

[1:19:06] of people flying up and down these hills

[1:19:08] and when we're leaving lights and

[1:19:10] sirens,

[1:19:12] um, sometimes, you know, it's hard for

[1:19:14] people to catch their brakes when we're

[1:19:16] coming out or we have to catch our

[1:19:18] brakes.

[1:19:19] >> It's such a blind spot. And it is a

[1:19:21] blind spot. So it's kind of a a warning

[1:19:23] system that would flash when

[1:19:26] >> that when we hit

[1:19:27] >> that makes sense.

[1:19:28] >> Um so it would catch their attention.

[1:19:29] Wouldn't be flashing all the time

[1:19:30] because the problem with flashing all

[1:19:32] the times that people get used to them

[1:19:33] then they don't know when it's emergency

[1:19:35] or not but they would flash when we're

[1:19:37] hitting a button beating.

[1:19:38] >> So the resident that's right there

[1:19:41] across the street on the corner, he's

[1:19:42] kind of extra happy. So where would

[1:19:46] these signs be? Would they not be

[1:19:48] [clears throat] on his property?

[1:19:49] Hopefully.

[1:19:50] >> So, they would almost be about where the

[1:19:52] >> It's kind of grumpy

[1:19:53] >> current sign is.

[1:19:55] >> So, there's one up here.

[1:19:57] >> It would be about where that sign is up

[1:19:59] here. If you when you come down to look

[1:20:00] at that fire station,

[1:20:01] >> the one down here would actually go down

[1:20:04] uh you know this house right here on the

[1:20:05] corner has the driveway that comes out

[1:20:06] kind of right on the band. It would go

[1:20:07] kind of below his driveway down there.

[1:20:09] >> Oh, [clears throat] okay.

[1:20:11] >> Yeah,

[1:20:12] >> I can talk to both of them. That'd be

[1:20:13] good. And we'd have to put a repeater

[1:20:15] right here in the corner of our city

[1:20:16] facility to get the signal down to it.

[1:20:20] And that was the guy I kind of went

[1:20:21] through, but anyway, think about um

[1:20:24] >> Yeah, I think because you could use it

[1:20:26] for that for when you when eventually,

[1:20:30] you know, for fire or ambulance or even

[1:20:33] snowplow coming out because, you know,

[1:20:35] those are big equipments, too. And

[1:20:37] unless you see the light, you you know

[1:20:40] and I

[1:20:41] >> Okay. I backed out of my driveway one

[1:20:42] time and Ben took me out. It was fun.

[1:20:45] >> The snowplow.

[1:20:46] >> Yeah.

[1:20:47] >> I had to dive off in the ditch once Corp

[1:20:49] was driving the big orange one day.

[1:20:52] >> Yeah.

[1:20:53] >> See, there's a difference between almost

[1:20:54] and did.

[1:20:56] >> Yeah. I flipped out and he was right

[1:20:58] there and I went, "Oh,

[1:20:59] >> that was John. That wasn't me.

[1:21:02] >> That was you."

[1:21:03] >> This has always been a concern. One one

[1:21:05] accident, you know. I mean, the

[1:21:07] [laughter] the challenge is when you're responding in an emergency,

[1:21:11] you're going to help somebody. If we end

[1:21:13] up in a wreck now, not only we not

[1:21:15] helping that person, but we've created

[1:21:16] another incident.

[1:21:18] >> So, sometimes you got to look at the

[1:21:20] value of money versus

[1:21:22] >> value of life. So,

[1:21:25] >> yeah,

[1:21:25] >> I think that's all I got.

[1:21:26] >> Perfect.

[1:21:27] >> Thanks.

[1:21:28] >> Okay, Wayne, planning commission and

[1:21:31] code enforcement.

[1:21:34] » All's good.

[1:21:37] You've seen our new city offices out

[1:21:39] here in the parking lot.

[1:21:41] >> Yeah, I was wondering about those.

[1:21:43] >> Um, that'll be our new mailboxes.

[1:21:46] >> Um,

[1:21:48] so

[1:21:48] >> temporary mailboxes. [laughter]

[1:21:51] >> We don't we don't we don't know when

[1:21:53] those will be in effect though because

[1:21:56] that might not be delayed.

[1:21:57] >> It it's it there's several moving parts

[1:22:01] to that. One is when the where the

[1:22:02] county is going to start working on on

[1:22:06] the roundabout down there and then the uh the demo of our current mailboxes

[1:22:13] down there. The the new mail part of the

[1:22:17] new mailboxes sufficient for our city

[1:22:19] have been ordered. Uh Three Bridges has

[1:22:22] ordered those. So, uh we're waiting for

[1:22:24] their arrival. I would anticipate

[1:22:27] sometime in the next couple of weeks.

[1:22:29] They're willing to store them for us

[1:22:32] until we have this container built out

[1:22:35] and framed so that the mailbox is their

[1:22:38] insert so that they will insert into the trailer. Uh once once the new

[1:22:46] facility is available, those inserts

[1:22:48] will come out and we'll move them down

[1:22:51] to the new new facility. it'll already

[1:22:53] be marked with names and addresses and

[1:22:56] so forth. So, that'll take care of that.

[1:22:59] We're um this is a container that was

[1:23:03] over at the the salt shed and we was

[1:23:07] being used for storage. We took all the

[1:23:09] stuff out of it that's sitting out over

[1:23:11] there. Some of it needs to be um more protected. We have a a smaller

[1:23:18] container up at the uh um water tank and

[1:23:23] tomorrow we're moving that to the salt

[1:23:25] shed and will be used in to put maybe

[1:23:27] some of these more environmental

[1:23:29] sensitive things, lumbering

[1:23:34] equipment.

[1:23:36] >> Um how are we because it's anticipated

[1:23:38] it's going to be very hot this summer.

[1:23:41] How are we going to be cooling that

[1:23:43] facility? Oh yeah, we needed Well, what

[1:23:46] happened to my blanket? I'm saying I'm

[1:23:47] freezing, too.

[1:23:49] >> I didn't know that.

[1:23:50] >> Oh my word.

[1:23:51] >> Well, well, I got up to look at the

[1:23:53] thing.

[1:23:53] >> You got me a Thank you.

[1:23:57] >> You're spoiled. It's because she's mayor

[1:23:58] of pro temp. She gets everything.

[1:23:59] >> No, no, no. It's just [laughter] I made

[1:24:01] friends with them in St. George because

[1:24:03] right there.

[1:24:04] >> I know in here. Why are you with us to

[1:24:06] see if we can fix it? But it's cold.

[1:24:09] I want to know about the cooling system

[1:24:11] of this as people, especially those who

[1:24:14] have to walk in all the way to the back

[1:24:16] and and get their mail out. How are we

[1:24:18] going to keep that temperature not

[1:24:20] getting extra hot?

[1:24:21] >> I I would think with the with the

[1:24:25] >> or not

[1:24:26] >> with the 30 m 30 seconds that it takes

[1:24:28] them to walk into that facility, they

[1:24:30] can keep their car running and jump

[1:24:32] right back into air conditioner car.

[1:24:34] Mhm.

[1:24:34] >> Uh if need be to, we could probably put

[1:24:36] a fan, just a a air fan in there.

[1:24:39] >> We have a circulation fan, and if

[1:24:42] [clears throat] it really gets to that

[1:24:43] point, we will figure something.

[1:24:46] >> We need to put some roof vents. That

[1:24:49] would make it

[1:24:50] >> there. There's already a vent in there

[1:24:52] for in uh on on the corners for

[1:24:56] circulation.

[1:24:57] >> I can donate. I have a big fan.

[1:24:59] >> We just don't want anybody calling

[1:25:00] Dudson saying, "Hey,

[1:25:04] the city has is doing something and

[1:25:06] there will be cameras on it as well.

[1:25:08] >> Yes, cameras we know cameras.

[1:25:09] >> So, a suggestion's been made that we uh

[1:25:13] have a little city contest. Think about

[1:25:15] it uh for uh kids and artists to draw to

[1:25:20] tag the the container somewhere or

[1:25:23] another and then maybe have

[1:25:25] >> have a judgment of it and award somebody

[1:25:28] >> name the temporary mailboxes contest. Is

[1:25:30] that what you're talking about?

[1:25:31] >> No. to the

[1:25:33] >> Oh, to like spray painting, graffiti.

[1:25:35] Yeah,

[1:25:36] >> however they would want to end up on

[1:25:38] Jod's G. Urban Art.

[1:25:40] >> No. [laughter]

[1:25:42] >> Well, I was thinking of also another

[1:25:44] option would be to have it tagged in a

[1:25:49] more professional way with regards to

[1:25:52] our America 250.

[1:25:54] >> Oh, that might be fun.

[1:25:55] >> Um, so maybe a big huge flag, an eagle,

[1:25:58] big two something. But maybe what we do

[1:26:00] is we have a submitt on the design of it

[1:26:05] versus the actual tagging.

[1:26:07] >> Yeah.

[1:26:08] >> But sometimes that might be a good idea.

[1:26:11] >> Keep that in mind with as we go forward

[1:26:13] >> with any ideas.

[1:26:17] [clears throat]

[1:26:18] >> It's all container so we can kind of do

[1:26:20] with it as we want.

[1:26:22] >> Yeah. There's probably a few people. I

[1:26:24] mean I'm trying to think of the mayor

[1:26:26] who does this. Um and because they were

[1:26:29] getting so many people tagging around

[1:26:31] the city and instead he went to him and

[1:26:35] said, "Hey, um if you'll stop this and

[1:26:38] clean up, each of you can have can put

[1:26:41] in your tagging." And they would do one

[1:26:44] section every month and the person will

[1:26:46] come and do it and and so that they

[1:26:48] still had an outlet for tagging, but

[1:26:50] they were chosen then so that they

[1:26:53] wouldn't do it somewhere else. But I bet

[1:26:55] you there's somebody who who's good at

[1:26:56] it. We could use a salt shed for

[1:26:58] something like that.

[1:26:59] >> No, we're not tagging the buildings.

[1:27:02] >> Well, it's right next to the golf

[1:27:04] course. Maybe they would appreciate

[1:27:05] >> We're not starting that

[1:27:07] >> on on code enforcement. Uh there's we've

[1:27:11] got three complaints and one's resolved

[1:27:14] and we're working on the other two. So,

[1:27:16] just for your information,

[1:27:17] >> have we sent them through the the new

[1:27:19] form?

[1:27:20] >> No.

[1:27:22] >> Okay. Let's send them through the new

[1:27:24] form.

[1:27:24] >> We're working on that.

[1:27:25] >> Perfect. I'm

[1:27:26] >> not doing it. [laughter]

[1:27:29] >> Okay. Thank you, Wayne.

[1:27:31] >> Okay. Uh, mayor and city council

[1:27:33] reports. Um,

[1:27:36] personnel. Um, everything is going well

[1:27:39] and I do have an update. We'll actually

[1:27:40] I'm going to request that we go into

[1:27:42] close session for personnel u matter. Um

[1:27:46] legal update really there isn't too much

[1:27:50] um beyond your question during the

[1:27:52] financials there Steve is we are

[1:27:55] currently covering both sets of

[1:27:57] attorneys and thus that number is so

[1:27:59] high um and we're looking at that

[1:28:01] strategically in a number of different

[1:28:02] ways potentially. So

[1:28:05] um Council Member Hutchings Planning

[1:28:07] Commission.

[1:28:12] » Sorry about that. Um, so with the

[1:28:14] planning commission,

[1:28:16] Wayne, you're supposed to take care of

[1:28:17] that for me. I don't think you did.

[1:28:20] Um,

[1:28:22] they the the planning commission talked

[1:28:24] about the conditional use um for three

[1:28:29] bridges for the um

[1:28:32] uh the rock crushing and and the the

[1:28:35] sifting of the of the material. Um, and

[1:28:38] they recommended to go ahead and and

[1:28:40] pass that on to us. again we had that

[1:28:42] discussion already. Um and they talked

[1:28:45] about

[1:28:48] oh the

[1:28:52] um

[1:28:54] the plat the new plat uh for the Summit

[1:28:58] Creek. Um

[1:29:02] and I believe I believe that was pretty

[1:29:04] much it. Uh so that's all I've got for them.

[1:29:09] >> Wonderful. Um, I actually forgot. Uh, I

[1:29:12] do have Aaron here for emergency

[1:29:14] management.

[1:29:17] I guess I have four items to share with

[1:29:19] you guys.

[1:29:24] Uh, today I was at the county EM meeting

[1:29:27] and we listened to the

[1:29:30] um the National Weather Service

[1:29:33] representative. um he's giving us an

[1:29:35] update in regards to forecasts of this

[1:29:38] summer's potential weather to expect and

[1:29:41] particularly in relationship to our fire

[1:29:44] risks. Um he said that um we are we've

[1:29:49] already had in the past 6 months the

[1:29:51] highest record temperatures in our

[1:29:53] history. So, [gasps]

[1:29:56] it's translated into a very low snow

[1:29:58] melt a snow um pack and which right now

[1:30:03] our water that we've got in the city in the state is actually not bad. The

[1:30:06] problem is the snow melt that usually

[1:30:10] comes in May, June, July is not going to

[1:30:12] be there. And so they're expecting

[1:30:16] particularly for this area here, June

[1:30:17] and July will be the above normal fire

[1:30:21] activity that we should be aware of in

[1:30:26] we already knew that was probably going

[1:30:27] to be the case, right? So I'm just kind

[1:30:29] of

[1:30:32] selling it to the choir. But what I want

[1:30:34] to propose is a fire drill that our city

[1:30:38] has citywide. Not that we actually leave

[1:30:41] the city, but we act like we're going to

[1:30:45] and don't. Um, that we test our

[1:30:48] communication system with uh the general

[1:30:50] public. We test the ability of them to

[1:30:52] be able to respond back to us, letting

[1:30:54] us know that they're evacuated.

[1:30:56] Um, and then test our internal staff on

[1:30:59] how they're going to react to it by

[1:31:01] setting up our EOC system and testing

[1:31:03] everybody's skill levels and be able to

[1:31:05] do that. So, I'm proposing a date of

[1:31:08] June 20th. It's a Saturday 10:00 a.m.

[1:31:11] and I don't know if there's a conflict.

[1:31:15] >> Not on the city calendar that I'm aware

[1:31:17] of. No, no events or anything.

[1:31:20] >> Okay.

[1:31:21] Um if that's okay.

[1:31:23] >> Is that Father's Day weekend?

[1:31:25] >> That's what I'm thinking.

[1:31:27] >> First is Father's Day.

[1:31:28] >> Yeah.

[1:31:28] >> But sometimes people go out of town, but

[1:31:31] it's all right because they would they

[1:31:32] would notify that they're not in town.

[1:31:34] >> This is Father's Day, not Mother's Day.

[1:31:36] We'll be fine.

[1:31:37] >> Yeah.

[1:31:39] >> [laughter]

[1:31:41] >> Come on.

[1:31:42] >> There's lots of

[1:31:44] >> So, if you guys agree to that, I've got

[1:31:46] >> coordinate with our staff cuz if he's

[1:31:47] gone, that's not going to be good.

[1:31:49] >> Yeah. Let's Let's bring this to staff

[1:31:52] meeting on Monday.

[1:31:53] >> Okay.

[1:31:54] >> There's a lot of planning we got to do.

[1:31:55] >> Yeah. Okay. So, you guys go that then

[1:31:57] I've got a timeline to get things done

[1:31:59] by so that we can prepare and do the

[1:32:01] best results. But even if people are out

[1:32:02] of town, that's part of the process is

[1:32:05] be them being able to send a

[1:32:07] notification. I am not home.

[1:32:09] >> Correct. And that's what I expect to

[1:32:10] happen. And I want to coach people to

[1:32:11] let us know that yes, they're in Hawaii

[1:32:13] on vacation. Don't worry about them.

[1:32:15] Their house is empty and things like

[1:32:17] that. Um so that was

[1:32:20] >> although they might want you to save

[1:32:21] their chicken.

[1:32:23] >> That's possible. Yeah.

[1:32:25] for we might want to talk about, you

[1:32:27] know, that in our staff meeting, how we

[1:32:29] might help people with their animals.

[1:32:32] >> Um, then

[1:32:35] give you an update on the generator. I

[1:32:37] might have found a way to save us

[1:32:39] $20,000 on that.

[1:32:41] Say,

[1:32:42] >> yay. Yay. Yeah.

[1:32:44] >> Um but it would require us to hardwire

[1:32:47] the generator to the building um to be

[1:32:51] able to shortcut that $20,000 cost

[1:32:53] because part of the $20,000 cost was a

[1:32:55] stupid coupling.

[1:32:57] >> And hard wiring I found out is actually

[1:32:59] just as um um good and a lot cheaper.

[1:33:03] Just requires us to have a a qualified

[1:33:05] electrician do the wiring, which we kind

[1:33:08] of know a few of those. At least one.

[1:33:09] >> We know a few of them.

[1:33:10] >> Yeah. So, I was going to pursue that and

[1:33:13] give you guys a new update on that on

[1:33:14] the next city council meeting. So, you

[1:33:15] guys can say, "Hey, we're good with

[1:33:17] saving 20 grand and we'll move forward

[1:33:18] with the other expenses."

[1:33:20] >> Okay.

[1:33:22] >> Um and then also I mentioned last uh

[1:33:24] council meeting that I told you there

[1:33:25] was a service that the county has. It

[1:33:27] tells us about what happens to um

[1:33:31] during a major disaster where a facility

[1:33:33] down in the valley catches a fire and

[1:33:35] blows up and then the plume has

[1:33:37] accumulated.

[1:33:38] uh just let you know I got access to

[1:33:40] that today. So we'll be able to take a

[1:33:42] look at that service and see which

[1:33:44] businesses are within a certain range of [snorts] hills that could affect us

[1:33:48] and if there's none then I'll check that

[1:33:51] off.

[1:33:52] >> The other thing is if there's a if there

[1:33:54] was a chemical spill on the freeway or

[1:33:56] even in highway 6 sometimes those plumes

[1:33:58] can come up and over as well depending

[1:34:01] on the jetream.

[1:34:02] >> Okay. So uh just giving you the updates

[1:34:05] on those things. I think there's

[1:34:07] >> you want to mention the earthquake.

[1:34:08] Yeah.

[1:34:09] >> Um yeah, I was going to mention that in

[1:34:11] the earth in the emergency manager

[1:34:13] meeting this morning saying that we we

[1:34:14] activated our EOC for a 2.5

[1:34:17] earthquake. [laughter]

[1:34:18] >> I know our EOC was everybody texting.

[1:34:21] Did you did you fill that? Did you fill

[1:34:23] up?

[1:34:24] >> Um yeah, we talked about it. This is at

[1:34:27] the county level, but everybody kind of

[1:34:28] laughed at me. So [laughter]

[1:34:32] » I had sent a text to them all. Did you

[1:34:34] guys just fill that? They're like, "No,

[1:34:36] >> they were laughing at you, too." So,

[1:34:37] >> I know, [laughter]

[1:34:38] >> but it it's a good wake up call for

[1:34:40] those who um have never felt an

[1:34:42] earthquake. If they did feel it, it's

[1:34:44] kind of cool. But

[1:34:44] >> and heard it coming from it was a

[1:34:46] hearing.

[1:34:46] >> Coming from California, I don't

[1:34:48] recognize anything unless it's over

[1:34:49] four.

[1:34:50] >> Same.

[1:34:51] >> Yeah.

[1:34:52] >> But I did think of you when everyone

[1:34:53] texted on the board.

[1:34:55] >> I'm like, Aaron's going to like this.

[1:34:57] >> Yeah, I [laughter] saw it.

[1:34:58] >> What was funny is there were a few

[1:35:00] people that were a little dramatic about

[1:35:02] it on Facebook and I just kind of

[1:35:04] chuckled. I'm like, you know, my house

[1:35:06] just made a weird noise.

[1:35:08] >> Okay,

[1:35:08] >> that was about it.

[1:35:09] >> Any other questions? That's my four

[1:35:11] things.

[1:35:12] >> No.

[1:35:13] >> All right.

[1:35:14] >> Okay. Council member Johns, public

[1:35:16] safety.

[1:35:17] >> Um, yeah. So, we we had a meeting just

[1:35:20] before the previous council meeting. Um,

[1:35:23] and, uh, that was just before the Maple

[1:35:25] Days as well. So, just talking about the

[1:35:27] events coming up this this year. Um,

[1:35:30] just making sure that we're ready with

[1:35:32] different needs.

[1:35:34] Nothing too exciting on that front. Um,

[1:35:37] this this Saturday though, we do want to

[1:35:39] let everybody know we're doing the fire

[1:35:41] and EMS expo. So, that will be down at

[1:35:44] the park. Uh, we will have lifelight

[1:35:46] helicopter. We're going to be doing a

[1:35:49] demonstration on some of the jaws of

[1:35:50] life and some of those tools and things

[1:35:52] like that. So, it's going to be a

[1:35:54] >> starts at 11.

[1:35:55] >> Uh, 11, right?

[1:35:56] >> 11 to two.

[1:35:57] >> 11 to one.

[1:35:58] >> 11 to1.

[1:35:59] >> No, I have 11 to two.

[1:36:00] >> 11 to two.

[1:36:00] >> That's so you can help clean up.

[1:36:02] >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, [laughter]

[1:36:04] I thought it was a lemon one, but some

[1:36:06] people might see

[1:36:08] >> Dan's been doing advertising and he's done some really cool graphics and

[1:36:12] stuff for it. So,

[1:36:13] >> yeah,

[1:36:14] >> fun.

[1:36:14] >> Yeah.

[1:36:16] >> So, we'll we'll have some lunch. We

[1:36:17] should have enough lunch this time, too.

[1:36:19] And

[1:36:19] >> yeah, last year we ran out of food.

[1:36:20] >> Hot dogs and chili.

[1:36:22] >> Yeah, sweet.

[1:36:23] >> Um,

[1:36:24] >> which is crazy.

[1:36:26] >> So, part of that and and this will be

[1:36:28] really good for the residents um

[1:36:30] springboarding off what Aaron was

[1:36:31] talking about. It is a dry year. We've

[1:36:33] already had a lot of um brush calls,

[1:36:37] wildland calls. Um and it's probably

[1:36:39] just going to be a dry summer. So um we

[1:36:43] want we're going to have a signup booth

[1:36:46] where anybody can can get a what are we

[1:36:49] calling it? Consultation appointment

[1:36:51] with with the fire department so that we

[1:36:53] can come and assess your property, just

[1:36:54] make sure it's safe. Not in any sort of

[1:36:57] a violation catchway, but a hey, how can

[1:37:00] we help you improve? what kind of ideas.

[1:37:02] So, so, um, we will have that and we

[1:37:05] would encourage everybody to get their

[1:37:07] neighbors out because the more of that

[1:37:08] we can do, it's good for all of us. So,

[1:37:11] >> and I know there's several several

[1:37:12] people in town, especially some youth,

[1:37:15] who have advertised that if you get your

[1:37:17] assessment, they'll come in and and you

[1:37:20] can pay them relatively uh

[1:37:23] >> affordable to get that mitigation work

[1:37:26] done. and and we might encourage some of

[1:37:28] those who have posted to be near there

[1:37:31] so that they can hand out their flyer.

[1:37:34] >> Yeah, if anybody knows of those that would be great. So

[1:37:39] yeah,

[1:37:40] >> you think you can have we can set up

[1:37:41] some room for them to put their flyers

[1:37:43] up, especially for the youth. Um but

[1:37:46] even like Preston

[1:37:48] not not a not a bad idea. I mean a city

[1:37:50] our our wildland crew does it. Um, we've

[1:37:53] got youth and we've got Preston and some

[1:37:55] other people that might be willing to do

[1:37:56] that. And we can set up a table. That's

[1:37:59] a really good idea, Carrie, to set up a

[1:38:01] table there that they can kind of give

[1:38:04] them contacts.

[1:38:06] >> Yeah, I think that'd be a great idea.

[1:38:09] So, we're we're just hoping we can get a

[1:38:11] real heavy community involvement just

[1:38:14] because it will will be

[1:38:15] >> maybe one other thing to mention as part

[1:38:17] of that is many of you know the state

[1:38:19] has put out a new severity map uh to

[1:38:22] determine if you your house is actually

[1:38:24] located in an extreme wildland area. Um,

[1:38:29] we'll have a computer up there. We can

[1:38:31] pull up an address and show people where

[1:38:33] they're at or what the state, now once

[1:38:36] again, this is a state map, not a city

[1:38:37] map. Uh, what they have assessed their

[1:38:41] area to be in extreme. We're all in a

[1:38:44] fairly severe, but a portion of the city

[1:38:47] is extreme. So, people could look at

[1:38:48] that and see what kind of how that

[1:38:50] affects them. As you know, House Bill

[1:38:51] 48, they're going to start charging a

[1:38:53] fee for those that are in extreme

[1:38:54] wildland areas. Uh the fee has been

[1:38:56] delayed till 2027 now, but um

[1:39:00] [clears throat] but we can show them on

[1:39:01] the map and show them how to get to the

[1:39:03] map. Uh that way they can know and then

[1:39:05] we can look at uh like Steve said

[1:39:07] consultation with them

[1:39:09] >> to figure out what they do at their

[1:39:10] houses and stuff like that.

[1:39:11] >> Well, and also some of those because

[1:39:12] those maps are out, there have been some

[1:39:15] insurance companies who have looked at

[1:39:17] the map and then made changes to

[1:39:19] insurance based on those maps that have

[1:39:21] nothing to do with the city. It is those

[1:39:23] state maps. And so that might be another

[1:39:26] way we can inform the residents um of

[1:39:30] why their insurance company may be

[1:39:31] talking to them about the wildland

[1:39:34] interface ordinance and this new state

[1:39:36] law.

[1:39:36] >> A lot of people are aware of it because

[1:39:38] I've gotten lots of inquiries about it.

[1:39:41] >> Yeah.

[1:39:41] >> We can show them how to look it up and

[1:39:43] show their house, that kind of stuff,

[1:39:44] too.

[1:39:45] Oh, well, some residents think that that

[1:39:47] map is the city's map and I've been

[1:39:49] telling them, "No, it's a state map, but

[1:39:51] we we need to just maybe that would be a

[1:39:54] way for them to maybe understand it a

[1:39:56] little better."

[1:39:58] >> What was that answer?

[1:39:59] >> I'm curious if there is any anything

[1:40:01] that needs to be done at the park

[1:40:03] regarding, you know, do we need to clear

[1:40:06] any areas? It could be a service

[1:40:08] activity where people are learning

[1:40:10] exactly how it's done,

[1:40:12] >> how to look at it in conjunction with

[1:40:14] this.

[1:40:15] >> It's a great idea. In fact, that's

[1:40:17] >> Yeah.

[1:40:17] >> Perfect.

[1:40:18] >> Yeah. I I think that's a great thing and

[1:40:20] maybe that's something we can we can

[1:40:21] merge with the uh uh with Sher and your parks and wreck stuff because um I

[1:40:28] think there's plenty of opportunity that

[1:40:30] we could do like clearing training and

[1:40:32] things like that. There was a ward that

[1:40:34] was going to do some clearing and

[1:40:36] cleaning up right before um the maple

[1:40:38] festival, but then it snowed.

[1:40:40] >> Well, we were still there.

[1:40:43] >> They were still there in the snow.

[1:40:45] >> All right. Good job.

[1:40:46] >> It was

[1:40:46] >> It [laughter] was a I wondered.

[1:40:48] >> Yeah, they still went.

[1:40:50] >> Yeah. Square Donuts, I think, or

[1:40:51] something.

[1:40:52] >> So So bottom line is there will be

[1:40:54] something for everybody. I mean, even if

[1:40:56] you're an adult, we'll we'll give you a

[1:40:58] chance to run some hoses and see what

[1:41:00] kind of water pressure there is and, you

[1:41:03] know, drag some things around and it's really pretty fun. So,

[1:41:08] >> we're going to have extrication tools up

[1:41:09] there this year.

[1:41:10] >> Yeah.

[1:41:12] >> I'm going to provide vitals.

[1:41:14] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Aaron's going to

[1:41:16] check your vitals, make sure you're

[1:41:17] alive. Maybe it would be good to have

[1:41:18] some of those reels from the fire

[1:41:20] department and the mayor and stuff to

[1:41:22] put on social media so people know that

[1:41:24] it's that there's more things this year

[1:41:27] than maybe we've had in the past.

[1:41:29] >> I feel a TED video coming on.

[1:41:31] >> Yeah, a TED video would be good. An

[1:41:33] errand video.

[1:41:33] >> You were very popular last time.

[1:41:36] [laughter]

[1:41:38] >> It's hard to be a star. Just is.

[1:41:41] >> It's a lifestyle.

[1:41:42] >> Yeah, likes to be. But I think that that

[1:41:44] engages the citizens when we have those

[1:41:46] little videos out and you know and and

[1:41:48] then being able to reach out and say,

[1:41:50] "Hey, if you're if you're one of the

[1:41:52] kids in town that's helping with

[1:41:53] mitigation work, we have a tape for

[1:41:55] you."

[1:41:55] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

[1:41:56] >> You know, just a few different videos.

[1:41:58] So, we only got a few days to help get

[1:42:01] you

[1:42:02] >> so that you [laughter]

[1:42:03] actually I don't really like being on

[1:42:06] camera, but it was much uh easier. I

[1:42:09] could explain more went quicker because

[1:42:12] I'm I'm not a typer. That's why I don't

[1:42:14] do a lot of social media and all that

[1:42:15] kind of stuff.

[1:42:16] >> Talk about that.

[1:42:16] >> That's why I'm always not my TED talk

[1:42:18] into the newsletter before it goes out.

[1:42:20] >> I got nothing for the newsletter so far.

[1:42:21] Nobody said

[1:42:22] >> so. So So we have three days.

[1:42:24] >> We got two more days.

[1:42:26] >> So we have three days until till it

[1:42:28] happens, right? So if we if Ted did a

[1:42:30] video and Steve did a video and Dan did

[1:42:33] a video, that would give us three days

[1:42:36] of videos on getting people there.

[1:42:38] >> Sure. Is is the emergency manager

[1:42:40] allowed to put anything in the

[1:42:41] newsletter for her?

[1:42:42] >> Absolutely.

[1:42:43] >> Well, maybe Janet.

[1:42:45] >> Yeah, you just you just email it to me.

[1:42:48] >> Okay.

[1:42:49] >> We we always need more content. We're

[1:42:51] always looking for content.

[1:42:52] >> Okay. I got two days.

[1:42:54] >> Perfect.

[1:42:55] >> Okay, John.

[1:42:55] >> Well, I got two days to get the

[1:42:57] newsletter done. So,

[1:42:58] >> man with two first names.

[1:43:00] >> Yeah, that's [laughter] right.

[1:43:00] >> Yeah. The man with two first names.

[1:43:02] >> Wonderful. Janet.

[1:43:04] >> Janet. Um, so I don't have anything

[1:43:08] submitted for the newsletter yet. And

[1:43:11] who who has this month? Brian,

[1:43:16] you may

[1:43:19] [laughter]

[1:43:21] >> I have a sticky note with everybody on

[1:43:23] there, so it's you.

[1:43:26] >> Thanks. I

[1:43:28] >> I got a couple, too.

[1:43:30] Um, so Brian and Aaron are getting

[1:43:33] things in today tomorrow. And

[1:43:36] >> yeah, and Ted and Wayne.

[1:43:39] >> Well, I can't do both the video and

[1:43:41] >> Yes, you can. Yes,

[1:43:43] >> cuz the newsletter is turning into a

[1:43:45] vlog.

[1:43:49] » PTR, we we haven't met. Sher sent me a

[1:43:53] big old text and I was picking my dog up

[1:43:57] from the dog hospital. So,

[1:44:00] um I'll have to look at it. Um and then

[1:44:04] just on events, we have a couple of

[1:44:06] possible we have a couple of names for

[1:44:08] possible new chairs for Woodland Hills

[1:44:10] Day. So, we're just um in the very

[1:44:12] beginning, I'm going to reach out to

[1:44:14] those people in the next couple of days

[1:44:16] and see if they're interested and that

[1:44:18] if I can get somebody hook, line, and

[1:44:20] sinker, a good couple that would help.

[1:44:22] Um, the Lowe's will be the senior couple

[1:44:26] that's over with Woodland Hills days and

[1:44:28] this new group will be

[1:44:30] >> if if you need some suggestions. There's

[1:44:32] a couple that I have that might

[1:44:33] >> just text them to me. Um, I've I've got

[1:44:37] six names, I think, so far, like three

[1:44:39] couples. Um, and I like to have three or

[1:44:41] four. So, I usually get turned down a

[1:44:43] few times. So, so that would be good.

[1:44:46] Um, you know, and I thought about

[1:44:48] putting it out there on social media,

[1:44:50] but we we try to pick people that we

[1:44:53] know have have done things or helped in

[1:44:55] the community or have an interest to

[1:44:58] serve. We we kind of do that and try to

[1:45:00] get different parts of the community.

[1:45:02] So, I'm trying to not get people that

[1:45:04] are in my area. Um, so we're looking we

[1:45:09] one of the names is from Summit Creek.

[1:45:11] So, that would be really good to have

[1:45:12] some Summit Creek involvement.

[1:45:14] >> [clears throat]

[1:45:15] >> So, yep. And, um, I think that's all

[1:45:18] that I have. Sher, if you have something

[1:45:21] you wanted me to

[1:45:24] >> add

[1:45:25] because I did not read all of your text,

[1:45:28] but anyway, I think we're good.

[1:45:31] >> Okay. Uh, Council Member Malich,

[1:45:34] legislative updating.

[1:45:35] >> Legislature gave us a I mean, April off,

[1:45:38] but they're on full force for May. Um,

[1:45:41] May 6th is kind of a big deal. that's

[1:45:43] when all they can all open their bill

[1:45:45] files for next year. So, um there is

[1:45:48] something that the mayor um gave me to

[1:45:51] ask uh if we might potentially um look

[1:45:54] into some legislation. So, we're still

[1:45:56] working on that and as if it happens,

[1:45:58] I'll let you know. Um also, um May 6th

[1:46:03] is the date that all of uh the things

[1:46:05] some of the things that were passed

[1:46:07] during this last legislative session go

[1:46:09] into effect. And I'm just going to say a

[1:46:10] couple of them that affect our city. One

[1:46:12] is was House Bill 33, political sign

[1:46:15] amendments. We can't prohibit u people

[1:46:18] from posting on park strips and that we

[1:46:21] have to have a designated area um for

[1:46:24] some signs. And then also um is that on

[1:46:29] >> if they remove city?

[1:46:30] >> Uhhuh. And if they remove some signs,

[1:46:33] there's needs to be a place for them to

[1:46:35] deposit them on city at the city so that

[1:46:38] they can pick them up later because

[1:46:39] they're very expensive. Um, we do know

[1:46:41] that there is a primary election in

[1:46:43] several of the races that our residents

[1:46:46] will um will um participate in. One will

[1:46:51] the primary will be um the congressional

[1:46:53] race

[1:46:55] between Celeste Malloy and Phil Lyman.

[1:46:58] And then we also have a state school

[1:47:00] board race that is also in a primary.

[1:47:03] Um, another one is local government

[1:47:06] fees, house bill um 425

[1:47:09] that uh if we choose to do a

[1:47:11] transportation fee now we are able to

[1:47:13] after May 6th. Um there's several with

[1:47:16] regards to truth and taxation and

[1:47:18] property tax adjustments. Um of course

[1:47:22] um truth and taxation has to be a

[1:47:24] standalone date now. can't be with

[1:47:27] anything else, but there are several

[1:47:28] that have to do with that. Um, a

[1:47:31] landscaping restriction amendment, House

[1:47:33] Bill 215, we cannot prohibit the removal

[1:47:36] of vegetation if they're in a wildland

[1:47:39] urban interface area, WOOI area. Um, and

[1:47:43] our whole town is, so there's some

[1:47:44] things that may people may do. Um,

[1:47:48] >> they can clearcut their lot if they want

[1:47:50] and I can't say no.

[1:47:53] Basically, that's what it's saying. Um,

[1:47:56] House Bill um 535 is the debt that um

[1:48:01] is um disposing of public property

[1:48:04] modifications. So, we occasionally,

[1:48:06] Brian, that's probably something that

[1:48:08] you'll want to look into a little bit

[1:48:09] more and make sure we're continue to be

[1:48:11] in compliance with that. Um the other

[1:48:15] the one thing that we need to look at is

[1:48:17] SB232,

[1:48:19] regulatory impacts on family. every um

[1:48:22] piece of uh legislative

[1:48:24] um materials we put out, we have to have

[1:48:28] it show the impact to family health,

[1:48:31] stability, and formation. And um the

[1:48:35] league does have some language that they

[1:48:38] suggest that every piece of legislation

[1:48:41] that we put for has has a statement

[1:48:44] attached to it. So, we might want to

[1:48:46] look into that a little bit because we

[1:48:48] need to put how that impacts families in

[1:48:50] our area. Um, and then there's an online

[1:48:54] marketplace SB 108 that municipalities

[1:48:58] can't regulate operation of an online

[1:49:00] marketplace except for with certain

[1:49:02] conditions. So, if we have anyone in in

[1:49:04] our city boundaries, there are others

[1:49:06] that may not um that may not impact us

[1:49:10] directly, but we need to be aware of

[1:49:12] those. Um the other thing is the interim

[1:49:16] meetings start again on May 20th and our legislative pol policy committee

[1:49:22] meetings um start up again on June 1st

[1:49:24] and uh I will be there.

[1:49:28] >> So we uh and then there's a bunch that

[1:49:30] will go into effect in the first part of

[1:49:32] July, but those are the ones that really

[1:49:34] affect us starting next week.

[1:49:38] >> Carrie, on House Bill 33, we had some

[1:49:40] discussion in our recorders meeting.

[1:49:42] >> Uhhuh. And I just wanted to make sure so

[1:49:45] I checked um

[1:49:47] in certain areas of the city we do not

[1:49:50] have sidewalks and that provision is

[1:49:53] primarily for park strips as between the

[1:49:55] road and the sidewalk. In those areas we

[1:49:58] don't have a regulation to allow signs.

[1:50:01] So

[1:50:03] uh we don't have to follow that.

[1:50:05] >> So four seasons is host. Four seasons is open game, but otherwise it doesn't

[1:50:12] apply.

[1:50:12] >> Only part of four seasons because they

[1:50:14] only have sidewalks on

[1:50:16] >> only [clears throat] only those. Oh,

[1:50:18] poor houses. I think it would be I think

[1:50:22] then it might be into our best interest

[1:50:24] because um we want our citizens to be

[1:50:28] well informed when they vote and if we

[1:50:31] never have an opportunity for candidates

[1:50:34] to except for in that area of town to

[1:50:39] say who they are because going

[1:50:40] doortodoor is really hard and as all of

[1:50:43] you who who know have wanted to put uh

[1:50:46] signs on Woodland Hills Drive and we've

[1:50:49] asked asked a particular resident, can

[1:50:51] we put it in your yard and yet it's 10

[1:50:54] ft back from the road and no one sees it

[1:50:56] because by then we have snow andor

[1:50:59] vegetation growing. We might want to

[1:51:01] consider kind of something in in the

[1:51:04] same idea, right, that we might

[1:51:10] allow some things in the rightway for a

[1:51:12] certain period of time prior to an

[1:51:14] election.

[1:51:14] >> I have adjusted that

[1:51:16] >> we did do that for elections. There is a

[1:51:18] second piece of legislation we do need

[1:51:20] to also apply to the political signs,

[1:51:24] >> right?

[1:51:24] >> Um, and that was one of the conflicting

[1:51:26] pieces in our last uh campaign cycle.

[1:51:29] >> That's why I'm bringing it up.

[1:51:30] >> Let's uh maybe we should look at that

[1:51:33] because we will have um especially with

[1:51:36] Congress, we will have those people

[1:51:38] wanting to put some signs in our city.

[1:51:41] >> Wayne, can you put that on your notes?

[1:51:43] Thank you.

[1:51:43] >> That was an interesting thing that

[1:51:44] because we don't have a parking strip.

[1:51:46] That was an interesting thing that came

[1:51:47] out of that.

[1:51:48] >> Yeah. Was

[1:51:50] >> Yeah. And I received a letter from the

[1:51:53] House clerk and the Senate clerk today.

[1:51:56] Uh one saying that I guess they were

[1:51:58] supposed to, I don't know, but they sent

[1:52:00] it basically saying one piece of

[1:52:01] legislation that did pass is an emphasis

[1:52:05] on religious freedom and restoring

[1:52:09] uh religion in governmental function. Um

[1:52:12] so still the separation of church and

[1:52:14] state delineated by our constitution but

[1:52:18] that we should be you know encouraging

[1:52:21] those religious conversations and

[1:52:23] discussion. So because we pushed further

[1:52:25] away than we we should have. So kind of

[1:52:27] a correctionary act of it. Then the

[1:52:29] other one I haven't had a chance to read

[1:52:30] on what legislation came from the Senate

[1:52:32] that they

[1:52:33] >> Yep. So, if any of you has concerns

[1:52:36] about things or if you have seen things

[1:52:38] that um that we might want to consider

[1:52:41] either amending or something new, please

[1:52:45] let me know because as I said, they're

[1:52:47] going to start doing their bill filing

[1:52:49] um next week. And if it's something

[1:52:51] that's really really important, then we

[1:52:53] want to be at the front of that um

[1:52:55] because it does get topheavy towards the

[1:52:58] end. So,

[1:52:59] >> well, thank you, Council Member Rhoden.

[1:53:02] Uh nothing of major note on the IT side.

[1:53:06] You and I are working on something.

[1:53:07] >> We still need to connect on that.

[1:53:10] >> But um

[1:53:12] yeah, as soon as that's ready, then

[1:53:14] that's something we can

[1:53:15] >> Perfect. Okay. And I actually did speak

[1:53:17] with the Did you

[1:53:18] >> one of them? And he's like, "Oh, cool."

[1:53:21] Okay.

[1:53:22] >> He's he's okay with it.

[1:53:24] >> Wonderful. Okay. Um any upcoming items

[1:53:28] that anybody would want to try and

[1:53:29] request to put on a future agenda? I had

[1:53:32] to have someone contact me um years ago

[1:53:35] and I don't even remember what year it

[1:53:37] was. Jody probably will remember um we

[1:53:41] were working on the boundary line

[1:53:43] between us and Elkridge and we've never

[1:53:46] really got that um finalized and there

[1:53:49] have some property owners over there who

[1:53:52] are wondering if we're any closer to

[1:53:55] actually establishing.

[1:53:56] >> Is this over in Four Seasons? No exists.

[1:54:01] We're not changing the boundary line. It

[1:54:02] will not be just up. You know, we had

[1:54:04] talked at one time of having uh one side

[1:54:07] of Loafer Canyon being in Alkridge and

[1:54:10] another side and

[1:54:12] >> or based on services provided because

[1:54:14] some people

[1:54:15] >> Woodland Hills. Yeah. This was um

[1:54:20] to get them to agree to this annexation

[1:54:23] was a struggle in itself. I think that's

[1:54:26] on hold for any changes. Okay. Okay.

[1:54:29] >> Well, you just might want to get up to

[1:54:31] date on that because there are a couple

[1:54:33] of friends who who it affects

[1:54:37] >> we've had a couple residents right there

[1:54:39] who said absolutely no we are not going

[1:54:41] into Woodland Hills and we have

[1:54:44] >> um promised them that we would not

[1:54:47] >> but the ones that are Woodland Hills

[1:54:48] that are accessed from they they access

[1:54:51] our services but they're on other side

[1:54:54] that there's just some tricky things

[1:54:55] that went on with that with that over

[1:54:58] there. So,

[1:54:59] >> it was really close. Oh, boy.

[1:55:01] >> Yeah, it was really, really close.

[1:55:03] [laughter]

[1:55:04] >> I'll meet with you, Jody, and we can go

[1:55:05] over that and then I can also meet with

[1:55:07] the Elkridge mayor and we can coordinate

[1:55:08] and figure out where that all sits

[1:55:10] currently.

[1:55:10] >> Yeah,

[1:55:11] >> perfect. Thank you. Okay, then we will

[1:55:14] uh take a break and let's see if I can

[1:55:17] actually, you know, look at time

[1:55:20] correctly this time. Uh it's currently

[1:55:22] 7:58. Let's plan to come back and resume

[1:55:26] and start our city council meeting at

[1:55:28] 8:05.

[1:55:32] Let's uh

[1:55:35] >> hopefully the trans

[1:55:37] >> like to welcome everybody to city

[1:55:39] council meeting today. Um we're going to

[1:55:42] have an invocation from council member

[1:55:43] Malovich and a pledge of allegiance from

[1:55:45] council member Lent.

[1:55:48] Our

[1:55:50] dear heavenly father, we're so grateful

[1:55:52] to be here as a city council tonight for

[1:55:55] our council meeting. We're grateful for

[1:55:58] the

[1:56:00] moisture we have received this week.

[1:56:02] We're grateful for the community we live

[1:56:05] in, for the protection thou grants unto

[1:56:08] us, for the beauty of our of our trees

[1:56:12] and our vegetation, as well as for our

[1:56:14] wildlife.

[1:56:16] We ask that thou continues to bless us

[1:56:19] with um protection and safety.

[1:56:23] We ask thee to bless our citizens that

[1:56:26] they will be mindful of the concerns

[1:56:28] that were brought up earlier with

[1:56:30] regards to the hot dry summer and the

[1:56:34] need to be extra vigilant in our efforts to

[1:56:42] be mindful of those conditions. Please

[1:56:44] bless us as we talk about city business

[1:56:46] that our minds will be open that we will

[1:56:49] be able to discuss things in civil

[1:56:51] manner and and and make decisions that

[1:56:54] are best for for our city and for the

[1:56:57] residents.

[1:56:59] Um we're grateful for those who are

[1:57:00] willing to serve on um on the different

[1:57:04] committees throughout the city and

[1:57:05] volunteer and help and support in any

[1:57:08] way possible. We're grateful for our

[1:57:11] city staff and the work that they put in

[1:57:13] to

[1:57:15] helping us as council understand the

[1:57:18] issues of our city and for all that they do to um to give us accurate and

[1:57:24] timely information and and support us

[1:57:27] that we can make better decisions.

[1:57:30] We're grateful for all of the blessings

[1:57:34] that thou gives unto us. And we say

[1:57:35] these things in the name of Jesus

[1:57:37] Christ. Amen.

[1:57:37] >> Amen.

[1:57:39] Please stand.

[1:57:43] » Repeat after me. I

[1:57:45] >> I pledge algiance to the flag

[1:57:47] >> of the United States of America and to

[1:57:51] the republic for which it stands. One

[1:57:54] nation under God, indivisible, with

[1:57:58] liberty and justice for all.

[1:58:04] » Thank you both. Uh we'd like to go now

[1:58:07] into a public comment. Um if we could

[1:58:09] limit our comments to two minutes or

[1:58:11] less. Um only in-person comments will be

[1:58:14] included as part of the official record.

[1:58:16] So it doesn't look like I have anybody

[1:58:18] online. Dian,

[1:58:20] >> please.

[1:58:21] >> You missed me last time, huh?

[1:58:23] >> Always.

[1:58:26] >> Hi D. A second. I just want to speak on

[1:58:29] behalf of our friends and neighbors on

[1:58:31] the east side of our city, particularly

[1:58:34] Maple Drive where it borders

[1:58:37] um our boundary, our city boundary. Um

[1:58:40] the last time

[1:58:43] we gave an authorization or permit or

[1:58:45] whatever to move dirt and make dust, we

[1:58:49] had the same mitigation requirements.

[1:58:52] However,

[1:58:55] dust was

[1:58:57] much more than it should have been. And

[1:59:00] I didn't know until researching for

[1:59:02] tonight that the way these inspectors

[1:59:05] decide on what level they're seeing,

[1:59:09] it's a visual thing. They're trained and

[1:59:12] it's truly they look they they memorize

[1:59:16] what it looks like without dust and then

[1:59:18] they compare that in their mind to what

[1:59:20] it looks like if there is dust. So it is

[1:59:24] very um

[1:59:26] >> subjective.

[1:59:27] >> Yeah.

[1:59:28] >> And we live in a

[1:59:29] >> very subjective.

[1:59:31] >> And then if you dive further into this

[1:59:34] issue of dust, obviously wind that

[1:59:37] contractor is not liable for the wind.

[1:59:40] But if there's so much accumulated that

[1:59:42] it flies off

[1:59:44] continuously, then it would be just like

[1:59:46] if you're carrying dirt in your truck.

[1:59:48] That's why on the freeway now it has to

[1:59:50] be covered. Um, if dust is collecting on

[1:59:53] your patio, the back of your house, your

[1:59:56] deck or whatever, that means there and

[1:59:58] there I have friends that told me they

[2:00:00] would clean it every single day and

[2:00:02] there was a layer every single day. That

[2:00:05] would mean there is too much because the

[2:00:08] rule is about how much is in the air,

[2:00:11] not about it can then, you know, be so

[2:00:14] much that accumulates.

[2:00:16] I want to be able to tell my friends and

[2:00:18] neighbors

[2:00:20] that it's not going to be as bad. They

[2:00:22] were told there's water trucks, but they

[2:00:24] would hardly ever see them. The other

[2:00:25] part of this before you vote on giving

[2:00:29] the permit is um time of day because

[2:00:34] there was a restriction according to our

[2:00:37] um ordinances, but they still did work

[2:00:40] early and I I know that was reported and

[2:00:43] eventually

[2:00:44] um they changed their hours, but it went

[2:00:46] a long time before the change happened.

[2:00:49] And I just wanted to point out I believe

[2:00:51] that there will be more vehicles or

[2:00:53] equipment on this site than what was

[2:00:55] mentioned. There'll be a crusher was

[2:00:57] mentioned, a sifter, trucks, dozers to

[2:01:01] move and carry, but there will also be

[2:01:03] conveyor. And I wonder if we want to

[2:01:04] know how big of one of those. I don't

[2:01:07] know if like

[2:01:09] we already man his from bars sto you

[2:01:11] know it's a big long long vehicle and it

[2:01:15] has a conveyor belt and it actually

[2:01:17] sifts the particles according to size

[2:01:21] it can be big and it can it can be very

[2:01:24] loud.

[2:01:25] So just keep in mind all these things

[2:01:28] and what could be helpful to our city.

[2:01:32] >> Thanks. Thank you.

[2:01:36] >> Bucky,

[2:01:37] would you like to make a comment?

[2:01:40] >> Uh,

[2:01:40] >> he's just so excited to fund our

[2:01:42] roundabout design. [laughter]

[2:01:44] >> Yeah, I was thinking that he's thinking,

[2:01:46] how can I donate and and really help

[2:01:49] with that that bronze elk? [laughter]

[2:01:53] >> Good.

[2:01:54] >> You're good. I'm getting hit by the look

[2:01:56] that's going to hang over my head is

[2:01:59] [laughter]

[2:02:00] the it

[2:02:01] >> it was just that whole when you were

[2:02:03] waving your head up and down while she

[2:02:05] was talking. We were just pretty sure

[2:02:06] you were listening.

[2:02:07] >> I was just volunteering you. It's all

[2:02:08] good.

[2:02:09] >> Uh yeah, I mean I think I said my piece

[2:02:12] about the the annexation. So I

[2:02:15] >> Okay, perfect. Any public comment?

[2:02:20] >> Well, we're glad to have you, brother.

[2:02:22] Okay, perfect. Then I will close the

[2:02:24] public comment um and we will move on to

[2:02:26] the consent agenda. The approval of the

[2:02:28] April 14th, 2026 city council meeting

[2:02:31] minutes.

[2:02:32] >> I do have a a correction.

[2:02:34] I wasn't here, but I read through them.

[2:02:36] I really I really liked them. Um at the

[2:02:40] very end, one of our guests today is

[2:02:42] Matt Durant. He's here. He ran for Utah

[2:02:46] House District 64

[2:02:49] um race. And so he was here last time,

[2:02:52] but you have the wrong designation of um

[2:02:55] of office that he's seeking. So I

[2:02:58] thought we should change that.

[2:03:00] They had you down as running for

[2:03:02] Congress.

[2:03:03] >> So we want to make sure it's Utah House

[2:03:06] District 64.

[2:03:08] But um I did ask our um probably between

[2:03:12] now and um and primary both of the

[2:03:16] congressional candidates would like to

[2:03:18] come to Woodland Hills.

[2:03:19] >> Wonderful.

[2:03:20] >> So I don't know Bucky if you're

[2:03:21] interested in hosting them at your

[2:03:24] facility then I will call you.

[2:03:25] >> We'll do that instead of a instead of

[2:03:28] >> maybe a little

[2:03:30] late.

[2:03:32] >> How about the consent agenda? [laughter]

[2:03:34] and and I can't approve the consent

[2:03:36] agenda because I was not here, but I

[2:03:37] just wanted to make that.

[2:03:38] >> Thank you.

[2:03:39] >> Wonderful. With that uh alteration,

[2:03:42] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the

[2:03:44] consent agenda. And I'd like to comment

[2:03:47] that Jody I know this has already been

[2:03:49] commented on, but she makes us all sound

[2:03:52] so intelligent. Thank you.

[2:03:54] >> Somebody over and over.

[2:03:56] Yes,

[2:03:58] >> I'm not sure I could pronounce some of

[2:04:00] the words that I supposedly said in that

[2:04:03] meeting, but I'll second it.

[2:04:05] >> Okay. Do I have a motion to council

[2:04:07] member Lunt? A second by Council Member

[2:04:10] Hutchkins. Um, Council Member Malovich,

[2:04:14] >> yes.

[2:04:15] >> Council member Johns,

[2:04:16] >> yes.

[2:04:17] >> Council member Hutchings,

[2:04:18] >> yes.

[2:04:19] >> Council member Rhoden,

[2:04:21] >> yes.

[2:04:21] >> Council member Lent,

[2:04:22] >> yes. Okay,

[2:04:25] that the consent agenda passes. Um,

[2:04:29] okay. We are going to move on to the

[2:04:32] acceptance of a petition for annexation

[2:04:36] and submission of a zone change

[2:04:38] application. Um,

[2:04:41] request being sent to the planning

[2:04:43] commission.

[2:04:44] >> The zone changes the

[2:04:46] >> just to send it to the planning

[2:04:47] commission, not us approve it.

[2:04:49] >> We are approving the annexation.

[2:04:51] Correct. you're approving the petition

[2:04:53] for the annexation.

[2:04:55] Then it goes into we've got to verify

[2:04:58] the petition. Then we have to put out a

[2:05:00] notice. Then we've got a 30-day period

[2:05:04] and then there will be public hearings.

[2:05:05] All right.

[2:05:06] >> So, it's a process. Bucky has let the

[2:05:08] county know already. So, he's done his

[2:05:11] part. Um, and now it's um it's our part.

[2:05:14] And if anybody wants to see the petition

[2:05:17] checklist that we have to go through,

[2:05:20] you're welcome to come in and look at

[2:05:22] it. So,

[2:05:23] >> okay. But this

[2:05:24] >> I I've sent it to Bucky and I've also

[2:05:27] sent it to Alage.

[2:05:28] >> We'll take some time. I have a motion.

[2:05:31] >> Council member for a motion.

[2:05:33] >> I'll second.

[2:05:33] >> Council member Jones for a second.

[2:05:36] >> Um, Council Member Lund.

[2:05:37] >> Yes.

[2:05:38] >> Council member Rhoden.

[2:05:39] >> Yes.

[2:05:39] >> Council member Hutchkins.

[2:05:41] >> Yes.

[2:05:42] >> Council member Jones. Yes.

[2:05:44] >> Council member Malovich.

[2:05:45] >> Yes.

[2:05:46] >> Okay. That uh petition passes.

[2:05:50] Um acceptance of a conditional use

[2:05:53] permit um with approval contingencies.

[2:05:57] What are those approval contingencies?

[2:06:00] That the fee in lie of and the

[2:06:02] finalization of the or the completion of

[2:06:04] the application.

[2:06:05] >> Yeah. Completion and signing it.

[2:06:08] >> Okay. Do I have a motion? I'll

[2:06:10] >> motion. Council member Rhden with a

[2:06:12] motion. Do I have a second?

[2:06:17] » Council member Hutchkins with a second.

[2:06:20] Um, Council Member Malovich,

[2:06:22] >> a yes. [snorts]

[2:06:24] >> Is that a yes or a no?

[2:06:26] >> Council member Jones.

[2:06:28] >> Uh, yes.

[2:06:29] >> Council member Hutchings,

[2:06:31] >> yes.

[2:06:32] >> Council member Rhden,

[2:06:33] >> yes.

[2:06:33] >> Council member Lund,

[2:06:35] >> yes.

[2:06:36] >> That motion passes. Uh, for me that is

[2:06:39] the moving of the mountain. That's what

[2:06:41] I like to see.

[2:06:42] >> Yes.

[2:06:43] >> While they're listed together on here,

[2:06:46] [clears throat and cough]

[2:06:47] >> you might treat them as a separate

[2:06:49] motion to refer the reszone

[2:06:53] >> to the planning commission.

[2:06:57] » I think we broke it out clear.

[2:06:59] >> Okay.

[2:07:00] >> So, acceptance of the petition. Did you

[2:07:02] guys feel that was what we were voting

[2:07:03] on? Yeah, cuz it says and

[2:07:05] >> then yeah, it's headed to the planning

[2:07:06] commission for the zoning piece.

[2:07:09] >> Okay. The adoption of resolution

[2:07:12] 2026-37.

[2:07:14] This is authorizing the issuance and and

[2:07:16] sale of not more than 1.4 million sales

[2:07:20] and franchise tax revenue bond for the

[2:07:23] roads.

[2:07:25] >> I'll motion.

[2:07:26] >> Council member Malovich with a motion.

[2:07:29] >> I'll second it.

[2:07:30] >> Council member Blunt with a second. Uh,

[2:07:32] Council Member John's. Uh, yes. Council

[2:07:35] member Rhoden,

[2:07:36] >> yes. Council member Hutchings,

[2:07:38] >> yes.

[2:07:39] >> Council member Lund,

[2:07:40] >> yes.

[2:07:40] >> Council member Malovich,

[2:07:42] >> yes.

[2:07:43] >> Okay, that resolution [clears throat]

[2:07:44] passes. Um, approval of the March 2026

[2:07:48] financials and clerk or check

[2:07:50] dispersements. Not clerk dispersements,

[2:07:52] just check dispersements.

[2:07:54] >> Yeah, don't don't disperse clerk.

[2:07:56] >> Do I have a motion?

[2:07:58] >> I have a motion.

[2:07:59] >> Council member Ron for the motion. Do I

[2:08:00] have a second? I'll second.

[2:08:02] >> Council member Jones with a second. Um,

[2:08:05] Council Member Lunt,

[2:08:07] >> yes.

[2:08:08] >> Council member Johns,

[2:08:09] >> yes.

[2:08:10] >> Council member Malovich,

[2:08:11] >> yes.

[2:08:11] >> Council member Hutchkins,

[2:08:13] >> yes.

[2:08:14] >> Council member Rhoden,

[2:08:15] >> yes.

[2:08:16] >> Okay, that uh passes.

[2:08:20] Okay. Um, as I stated earlier, there is

[2:08:23] a personnel matter that I would like to

[2:08:25] discuss with each of you um in a closed

[2:08:28] session.

[2:08:30] If I can get a motion,

[2:08:32] >> I'll make a M motion that we go to close

[2:08:34] session to discuss personnel map.

[2:08:36] >> Okay.

[2:08:37] >> Second.

[2:08:37] >> Council member Lunt with a motion.

[2:08:39] Council member Malovich with a second.

[2:08:41] Uh, Council Member Rhoden.

[2:08:43] >> Yes.

[2:08:43] >> Council member Hutchkins.

[2:08:45] >> Yes.

[2:08:46] >> Council member Johns.

[2:08:47] >> Yes.

[2:08:47] >> Council member Lunt.

[2:08:49] >> Yes.

[2:08:49] >> Council member Malovich.

[2:08:51] >> Yes.

[2:08:51] >> Trying to keep you guys on your toes.

[2:08:53] >> Yeah. I know you're like,

[2:08:56] [laughter]

[2:08:57] >> "Okay, then we are headed into close

[2:08:59] session."

[2:09:01] >> Thank you everybody.

[2:09:02] >> That I will tell you that.

[2:09:06] » Okay. Uh we are back from close session.

[2:09:10] Um I will accept a motion to adjourn.

[2:09:14] >> So moved.

[2:09:15] >> Okay, we are adjourned. Thank you

[2:09:16] everybody.

[2:09:19] >> You know the hard part about that is um

[2:09:21] one of the girls that I Thank

[2:09:24] you.

City Council Work Session and City Council Meeting April 28 2026

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