[0:08] Okay. Like to welcome everybody to uh

[0:10] city council May 26, 2026.

[0:14] Um Mark, glad to have you. He is our

[0:18] um

[0:20] what would I call it? He's our officer

[0:22] that we work with with uh

[0:24] >> at Zans's public finance.

[0:26] um a great asset there for us. So, we

[0:31] have two public hearings that we're

[0:32] going to start with. So, I'd like to

[0:34] call to order the public hearing

[0:35] regarding the proposed issuance of

[0:37] Wooden Hills City sales and franchise

[0:40] tax revenue bonds uh series 2026 in the

[0:44] principal amount of not to exceed uh

[0:47] 1,400,000

[0:49] in one or more series pursuant to the

[0:52] local government bonding act chapter 11

[0:55] chapter or title 11 chapter 14 Utah code

[0:59] uh annotated 1953

[1:02] um as amended Ed, notice of this public

[1:04] hearing regarding the proposed bonds has

[1:08] been provided as required by law. The

[1:10] notice was posted as a class A notice

[1:13] under section 63G-30-102,

[1:18] Utah code annotated 1953

[1:21] as amended, including posting on the

[1:23] Utah public notice website, the city's

[1:27] official website and here at the

[1:30] Woodland Hills City Center located at

[1:32] 690 South Woodland Hills Drive. The

[1:35] notice was also published in accordance

[1:36] to section 45-1-101

[1:40] Utah code uh annotated 1953 as amended

[1:45] at least 14 days prior to this public

[1:47] hearing. The purpose of this public

[1:49] hearing is to receive input from the

[1:51] members of the the public regarding the

[1:53] proposed issuance of the bonds and any

[1:55] potential economic impact and pro and

[1:58] project finance with the bonds proceed

[2:01] proceeds proceeds may have on the

[2:04] private sector. At this time I will open

[2:07] the public hearing invite any members of

[2:08] the public who uh wishes to speak on

[2:11] this matter to come forward and provide

[2:14] comment.

[2:23] Do you want to note which council

[2:25] members are in attendance and which

[2:27] council members are electronic?

[2:30] >> Yep. I'd be happy to do that. So in

[2:32] attendance we currently have council

[2:34] member John's, Council Member Rhoden,

[2:36] and Council Member Lunt. Um myself, the

[2:39] mayor. Um we online we have Council

[2:42] Member Hutchkins. Um, and I believe

[2:45] Council Member Malovich will be joining

[2:46] us shortly, though currently is not in

[2:48] attendance.

[2:55] Should we leave this open for a certain

[2:57] amount of time or proceed to the next uh

[2:59] item? Wonderful. Okay. Then we will

[3:02] close the public hearing for um the

[3:06] issuance of the bond for the sales and

[3:09] franchise tax revenue and then we will

[3:12] move on to our public hearing for the

[3:14] proposed 2026 2027 fiscal year budget.

[3:18] Is there anybody from the public that

[3:21] would like to comment on the proposed

[3:23] budget that we discussed last council

[3:25] meeting?

[3:30] Okay,

[3:32] with no comments, we will close the

[3:34] public hearings

[3:36] and we will move into our work session

[3:38] where we were going to discuss the

[3:40] proposed 2026 2027

[3:43] uh fiscal year budget.

[3:46] So, this has not changed um since our

[3:49] last meeting. Um you guys would have

[3:51] received that. Hello, Carrie.

[3:53] >> Um is there any questions that any of

[3:55] you guys have?

[3:57] Uh, different than last council meeting.

[4:01] >> No,

[4:02] >> I didn't have any.

[4:05] >> Council member Hutchkins, anything?

[4:09] » Nope. Okay. I I wasn't in attendance, so

[4:12] I didn't see if anything was circulated,

[4:14] but uh

[4:17] we just we went through it. Um

[4:20] there was a few uh slight changes here

[4:24] and there. Um actually

[4:27] I am not complete. Yes. So we did

[4:30] actually make one change. If you look

[4:32] into the fiscal year 2027 budget that is

[4:35] proposed, we did add in the grant that

[4:38] we were just awarded um for the pickle

[4:40] ball court. Um we also added in the the match that we need to contribute and

[4:48] that has been added into this budget. So

[4:51] that is the only change that we did

[4:52] make. Sweet. Okay. Um, then we will move

[4:56] on to item number four, discussion of

[4:59] the proposed strategic plan.

[5:02] Um, I would like to make a few comments

[5:05] here. Um,

[5:08] and if you could take these back,

[5:11] Carrie, um, to the community development

[5:14] and especially with Daniel. Um there are

[5:18] a few things that I would love to

[5:20] discuss and I have a few questions that

[5:22] might actually help as well. So we

[5:24] received a bill today from um

[5:29] Sunrise on this project. It looks like

[5:33] we are

[5:35] um

[5:37] I need to see if I can read this. It's

[5:39] slightly cockeyed here. Um, the

[5:42] strategic plan is currently build at

[5:49] 30.

[5:50] No, that's built at 100%. Um, is there

[5:54] anything else that we will be receiving

[5:58] with the strategic plan?

[5:59] >> I don't think so.

[6:01] >> Okay. So, it's just that one pager in

[6:03] the matrix

[6:04] >> unless we change something that they

[6:06] need to change it, but I don't think so.

[6:10] >> Okay.

[6:12] Um also in going over the strategic

[6:16] plan,

[6:18] um

[6:21] I had proposed I I proposed that in the

[6:25] second paragraph of the document um we

[6:28] add this this text um or something like

[6:32] this. It says this document

[6:34] implementation this document's

[6:36] implementation is at the full discretion

[6:38] of the current legislative budget

[6:40] process and discretionary implementation

[6:42] of the executive.

[6:44] Um those are branches. Um because I

[6:48] don't want this to feel like it is

[6:52] binding the hands of the elected

[6:54] officials.

[6:55] >> Yeah. It it it's not supposed to be

[6:57] binding of the elected officials. It's

[6:59] supposed to be the um

[7:04] at the discretion of the council on what

[7:07] they what the council wants to do as far

[7:10] as the goals. This is the suggestions

[7:13] that are here and then if there's edits

[7:16] to be made, we can do that. Um but it's

[7:20] mostly to be looked at as short-term

[7:23] goals to be reviewed annually and then

[7:25] updated accordingly.

[7:27] >> Wonderful. Uh my other proposal would be

[7:30] right after what the strategic plan

[7:32] does. The strategic plan gives elected

[7:35] officials and city staff a clear picture

[7:37] of which projects move forward in what

[7:39] order and how limited resources will be

[7:43] allocated um specifically and I would

[7:46] just shift that to from will to may.

[7:50] >> Okay. Did you already write these up and

[7:52] send them to

[7:53] >> I have not disseminated this in any

[7:55] capacity. I wanted this is this is more

[7:59] you know this the council's document.

[8:02] >> Um and so I wanted to bring this to you

[8:04] guys as kind of more of an outsider on

[8:06] this process.

[8:07] >> Sounds good so far. I mean just it's

[8:10] this one pager just to make sure that

[8:12] it's um in align with what we want to

[8:14] do. Make sure that the general plan is a

[8:18] living document and to make us more

[8:21] accountable is what the strategic plan

[8:23] is about is to make sure that we are

[8:25] cognitive of what the general plan has

[8:28] in it and how we move it along through

[8:30] the years instead of just every so many

[8:33] years we get a new one and forget.

[8:37] >> Do you guys have anything?

[8:43] Can I ask what was the cost of the

[8:46] strategic plan or was it all built in to

[8:49] the cost of everything together?

[8:51] >> It was all built into the cost um

[8:53] together with the the original grant was for the general

[8:59] plan update and the strategic plan as a

[9:02] combination.

[9:03] >> So I can be build separately.

[9:07] >> Yeah. So, the strategic plan

[9:10] was build out at $9,5

[9:13] or $10,339

[9:17] and 5. Actually, I was incorrect. Now

[9:18] that I've got this in a little bit of a

[9:20] platform, it's 59%

[9:24] buildout at this point.

[9:25] >> Okay.

[9:26] >> So,

[9:27] >> that's in case we need any changes or or

[9:30] what what we needed. Um, and if you guys

[9:34] Well, then I don't think any of you were

[9:35] on the council at the time, but

[9:37] originally,

[9:39] um, another company had started, so we

[9:42] ended up paying them some money out of

[9:45] this grant that we didn't get any

[9:47] documents.

[9:48] >> Was brand new,

[9:49] >> and we didn't get any documents out of

[9:50] them. So, Sunrise was able to pick that

[9:53] this up after the RFP and finish both

[9:57] with with not the full amount of the

[9:59] grant.

[10:01] Yeah, that was right when we

[10:03] started.

[10:07] » Okay. Anything on this uh primary kind

[10:10] of cover document?

[10:14] » All right, then let's move over to

[10:16] >> Yes.

[10:16] >> Can I can I ask just kind of a point of order maybe? Um

[10:23] we're just looking at this right now. I

[10:26] mean, we we've got to adopt a general

[10:28] plan before we'd even consider uh this,

[10:32] right? I mean, this just seems it seems

[10:33] a little preemptive. I get we want to

[10:35] look at it early, but seems a little

[10:37] preemptive until we've we've actually

[10:40] voted on that general plan and said,

[10:42] "These are the the goals that we have.

[10:44] Here's our strategic or our short-term

[10:46] goals that should be going into this."

[10:48] Um, is that am I am I out in in the

[10:52] woods somewhere here?

[10:55] No, but does the does the document call

[10:58] for

[11:01] what I would consider implementation

[11:05] timelines on anything? My understanding

[11:08] it's a general statement of our general

[11:10] views in our current state and doesn't

[11:13] require us to say here's how we're going

[11:16] to go about executing the plan. It's

[11:17] just this is the plan. There's no

[11:19] execution requirement is my

[11:21] understanding. So that would be my only

[11:23] question for you, Brian, is do you feel

[11:25] like we need to have or it's it's

[11:28] incumbent upon us to actually have some

[11:31] sort of supplementary document, whether

[11:32] it be not a full document, but whether

[11:35] it's a prelude or whatever that says

[11:38] anything contrary or anything to that

[11:40] fact around implementation of the ideas.

[11:42] Well, let me let me clarify that just a

[11:44] little bit more too because so we

[11:46] decided to have this one pager that will

[11:49] go in with the general plan that's very

[11:52] vague and then as we adopt the um

[11:56] general plan um Daniel has already been

[11:59] working with the mayor and the staff on

[12:02] specific goals that can be implemented

[12:04] as they see fit and then that would be

[12:07] an internal document not a not a public

[12:11] document. ment because then they can we

[12:13] can then look and see what is the goal

[12:15] that we want to do once the general plan

[12:18] has been approved. This is just a one

[12:20] pager to put with it to show that

[12:22] they're companion documents even though

[12:24] they're they're completely separate

[12:26] documents if that makes sense.

[12:28] >> And so consensus as well. Are you

[12:31] looking for kind of a consensus document

[12:32] that like we've all formally raised our

[12:34] hands and adopted the document?

[12:38] I

[12:38] >> I don't know. I I'm trying to ask what

[12:40] is our what is the procedure here?

[12:41] Because I look at the matrix and the

[12:43] matrix has timelines. It's got people.

[12:45] It's got all that stuff in it. So, I'm

[12:48] kind of confused here.

[12:49] >> So, let me let me see if I can help here

[12:51] a little bit, Brian. So, you guys the

[12:53] council has gone through and looked at

[12:56] every single page thus far of the

[12:58] general plan, right? It's now been sent

[13:01] back to the planning commission for

[13:03] their public hearing and vote. Correct.

[13:06] You have a public hearing. Um and then

[13:09] it will come to the council and we will

[13:11] also vote on that and make it official.

[13:14] In that document at the end of every

[13:16] chapter were the goals, right? And this

[13:19] is what we kind of discussed last time

[13:21] as we went through each of those goals

[13:22] and we kind of word smith them, right?

[13:25] It was those goals that were pulled out

[13:28] and added to create this matrix.

[13:31] So hence we're able to kind of work this

[13:34] in tandem cuz I'm kind of wanting to get

[13:36] this whole thing through past the finish

[13:38] line um since it has been you know I

[13:42] guess four years to this point. Um and

[13:45] so I've given each of these different

[13:47] committees and organizations some

[13:49] deadlines for us to to complete this. So

[13:52] that's where these goals came from was

[13:54] from the general plan that we've gotten

[13:57] to answer your question of where did

[13:59] these goals come from? Why are we not

[14:01] passing the general plan first? And it's

[14:04] because we've kind of gone through that

[14:05] preliminarily. It got thrown into to the

[14:08] community development committee for them

[14:10] to be able to start this process in

[14:14] tandem while we have then be going

[14:16] through the approval process on our end

[14:19] >> and and I I understand that. I just I'm

[14:21] trying to find out what is our our

[14:23] process of order because um I mean I

[14:27] mean this is is

[14:31] uh kind of

[14:36] preliminary, right? Is that is that what

[14:38] I'm trying to I mean this this is not

[14:39] something that we're setting in stone at

[14:41] this point.

[14:42] >> We do not have a vote on this at all

[14:45] today.

[14:46] >> It will go to vote with the general

[14:48] plan.

[14:50] >> It's more

[14:51] >> the general plan.

[14:52] >> Correct. But but my understanding with

[14:55] the strategic plan is it's intended to run as as more of a nimble document in in unison with that general

[15:02] plan. Right. So

[15:03] >> we could be discussing topics of the

[15:06] strategic plan on a

[15:09] >> every council meeting basis. Yeah.

[15:12] >> Yeah.

[15:12] >> Um and saying hey these are the focal

[15:14] points of

[15:16] >> for now

[15:16] >> of the meeting. And so, yeah, it might

[15:18] be true today, but it might not be true

[15:20] in a month because we might have

[15:22] different priorities or intentions that

[15:24] align with the general plan, but need

[15:27] constant addressing.

[15:28] >> And and that's kind of what I'm I'm what

[15:31] I'm getting at as we as I look at this.

[15:34] It seems like we're biting off a whole

[15:37] lot. Um, and and I see all these within

[15:41] a year kind of things. And I don't and

[15:43] my personal opinion again I don't run

[15:45] the staff but my personal opinion is our

[15:47] staff doesn't have time to meet all of

[15:50] these goals that that are being assigned

[15:52] to them in this plan. Um I know I don't

[15:55] have enough time to to help with you

[15:58] know to take a chunk of what the the

[16:00] council is being assigned in this

[16:03] strategic plan. U it just it seems like

[16:07] it's

[16:08] uh pretty general, pretty open for uh

[16:14] how we're actually going to do it. I

[16:15] don't I don't I really there there's

[16:19] very little in a lot of these things

[16:21] that are are specific on on what we're

[16:25] supposed to do. I'm not a politician.

[16:26] I'm not a uh a person that's going to go

[16:29] out and and meet with with uh developers

[16:33] trying to figure out how we're going to

[16:35] build a little main street in in the

[16:37] bottom of Woodland Hills. Um I and and

[16:40] I'm I think it's it seems like it's

[16:43] pretty pretty damn big to to take these

[16:47] bites that are that are laid out here.

[16:49] Just seems a little huge to me. It was

[16:52] my understanding, Brian, that uh that um

[16:57] Daniel from Sunrise met with each of the

[17:00] staff members and the mayor and kind of

[17:02] they they incorporated what their goals

[17:04] that they were already going to be

[17:06] trying to do into um the general plan as

[17:10] it was written and tried to make sure

[17:12] that it was in um in a collaborative

[17:15] manner and that then the department

[17:18] heads would each look at those and

[17:20] prioritize themselves.

[17:22] And then

[17:23] >> in part in part

[17:24] >> I did meet with him. Yeah.

[17:26] >> We went through these actually the goals

[17:27] and the timings

[17:29] >> were stuff that I helped set for him

[17:31] because you know most of these even

[17:32] though they say immediate one year it's

[17:34] really ongoing that is

[17:36] >> uh it's update the payment management

[17:37] plan immediate one year. Well that's

[17:39] really something we do every year. Um

[17:41] but they didn't meet with Joey.

[17:42] >> Um I don't

[17:43] >> they didn't meet with Lori. They didn't

[17:45] meet with me.

[17:46] >> Okay.

[17:46] >> I think they only met with Ted

[17:48] >> and and not Wayne either. Okay. Well,

[17:52] maybe that's part of

[17:53] >> part maybe that's part of this then I

[17:55] knew that they want we didn't want to go

[17:57] the committee didn't want to go too far

[17:59] down the path and then have it be a

[18:02] total change if we just started and then

[18:05] maybe could tweak along the way kind of

[18:08] like what we did with general plan.

[18:10] >> And I think what Brian's articulating

[18:11] here is is my feelings as well. right as

[18:15] I went through the general plan and I

[18:17] made all of of your guys' recommended

[18:19] edits and and the planning commission's

[18:21] edits and

[18:23] >> I feel like that document is is fairly

[18:25] well done. Um I can't say the same and I

[18:30] appreciate the sacrifice that's gone on

[18:32] but I can't say the same in this

[18:34] document. This feels a little hack and

[18:37] slash to me. Maybe it's just because

[18:40] it's a different

[18:43] uh

[18:44] representation than I thought the

[18:46] strategic plan would take.

[18:48] >> Yeah.

[18:48] >> Um

[18:49] >> I think they didn't want to get it too

[18:51] concrete until they got the feedback.

[18:53] >> Okay.

[18:53] >> To say is I think maybe just based off

[18:57] of meeting with Ted then kind of would

[19:00] get a feel for it. I thought they were

[19:02] meeting with everyone but maybe they

[19:04] haven't got to that yet. And I would say

[19:06] that's a must. He needs to reach out to

[19:11] >> uh myself because, you know, I've got

[19:12] assignments on here and I'm just like,

[19:14] "Wow, okay. Didn't have that on my

[19:17] radar." And it might need to be,

[19:19] >> you know, or it might not be appropriate

[19:22] for me to run certain items here, right?

[19:25] Or, you know, I've got Jody right now in

[19:28] this document rolling out a new water

[19:30] communication plan, right? It's like,

[19:33] well, that I don't need Jod doing that.

[19:36] >> Yeah.

[19:36] >> You know, and that just doesn't

[19:38] necessarily make sense.

[19:40] >> Um,

[19:40] >> I'll I'll I'll uh reach back with them

[19:42] and uh make sure that they understand

[19:45] that we want it to be similar in process

[19:47] that we did the general plan.

[19:49] >> Maybe to give you a format of how he did

[19:50] the phone call so you understand about

[19:52] what he did, he told what's your three

[19:54] most immediate,

[19:56] >> what's your three intermediate goals and

[19:59] what's your three long-term goals? So I

[20:01] would talk to what what out of you plan

[20:03] kind of what my goals out of that were

[20:07] premed

[20:08] interview.

[20:11] Um so that's kind of the process you

[20:13] went through. Um I I agree. I think this

[20:16] is a good starting point. There needs a

[20:19] little bit of work. Uh the idea is to

[20:21] make this an implement implemented

[20:25] plan where the general plan is more of a

[20:28] guideline. this is something that we can

[20:31] um to help us move

[20:34] general plan ideas forward. So I think I

[20:36] think it's a good starting point. It

[20:37] probably just needs

[20:39] >> well and I want the I want the committee

[20:42] to understand that we really appreciate

[20:44] everything they're doing right. I don't

[20:46] want it to come across as this is

[20:48] garbage and redo it

[20:49] >> and we have them on the schedule to come

[20:51] and speak about this um in June. You had

[20:55] you you you texted me and said that they

[20:57] were coming I think it was the last

[20:59] meeting in June.

[21:00] >> Uh probably no

[21:03] >> that well I you and I have talked mayor

[21:06] we haven't talked but he gave because

[21:08] they cuz he had he had us he had us um

[21:11] me contact them and say what day can you

[21:13] come and present this to the council and

[21:16] it was in June not today. And so I was

[21:19] that's why I was a little confused we

[21:20] had it on the agenda today because we

[21:23] were told we couldn't have it on the

[21:24] agenda today.

[21:24] >> I probably put it I put it on the agenda

[21:26] today for us to be able to have this

[21:29] conversation so that hopefully that one

[21:31] will be

[21:31] >> but that's why they're not here cuz I

[21:33] was sitting there thinking yeah you told

[21:35] me that they couldn't come today cuz we

[21:36] were going to do budget and so they

[21:38] picked one of the days in

[21:40] >> well one of them couldn't make today.

[21:42] Yeah, one of them couldn't come today,

[21:44] but we did put them on the schedule for

[21:47] >> another council meeting.

[21:49] >> Yeah, we'll coordinate that.

[21:50] >> Okay.

[21:51] >> Um, any other questions

[21:53] here? Thoughts, concerns, procedural?

[21:57] >> So, that's why that's just why they're

[21:59] not here to answer their own questions

[22:01] because they didn't know they were going

[22:03] to be on the schedule. the June 23rd at

[22:06] 6 PM is when we confirmed them to be on

[22:09] the agenda to come and and present this.

[22:12] >> So, they may have been thinking between

[22:17] now and then doing the interviews.

[22:19] >> Let we'll coordinate that

[22:21] >> schedules.

[22:22] >> Yeah, let's figure that one out offline

[22:24] here.

[22:26] >> Um,

[22:26] >> so they may be planning to meet with

[22:29] everybody in between now and then just

[22:31] because that was the time schedule.

[22:35] Is there anything you guys have, your

[22:37] thoughts, your feelings, your concerns

[22:38] here with this document knowing that it

[22:41] has hopefully quite a bit of work still

[22:45] to be done?

[22:48] » Yeah, I think they would be surprised we

[22:50] were talking about it actually

[22:53] cuz they weren't prepared to.

[22:55] >> No, not a problem.

[22:57] >> Okay, then we will move to item number

[23:00] five, the discussion of the Utah

[23:01] Wildland. um

[23:05] memorandum of understanding between the

[23:07] Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and

[23:09] State Land and Woodland Hills.

[23:12] >> Ted,

[23:15] » I have a concern raised by a citizen.

[23:19] >> Yeah. So,

[23:21] and and maybe explanation of what this

[23:22] is, help alleviate that concern. So, we

[23:26] have a

[23:28] cooperating

[23:30] agreement with the Utah Division Forest

[23:32] Reference State Lands. That cooperating

[23:35] agreement is about outlining what

[23:37] >> could you try again?

[23:40] >> She always questions me.

[23:44] Um that cooperating agreement outlines

[23:47] the mitigation efforts that we have to

[23:50] put in with our community in order for

[23:53] the state to help us uh fiscally if

[23:57] there is a fire that they help us with

[23:59] in our city. Right? So in that

[24:01] cooperating agreement for example,

[24:03] basically the gist of it is

[24:06] we have to do like 6,000 well might be

[24:08] $8,000 worth of mitigation work every

[24:11] year in our city. the equivalent of

[24:13] $8,000,

[24:15] which we usually have no problem meeting

[24:16] with all the mitigation work we do.

[24:18] We're usually three or four times that

[24:20] by doing that $8,000 every year. By

[24:23] meeting that, I have to report on it

[24:24] every year. They agree on their end that

[24:27] they will if there's a fire that kicks

[24:29] up in our city um in within our

[24:32] municipal boundary, the state can be

[24:33] called in to help us and we will not

[24:36] have to pay the state for that, right?

[24:39] they'll they'll not hit us financially

[24:41] for helping us. Um, that's the

[24:43] agreement. What this is is a memorandum

[24:45] of understanding that goes with that

[24:47] agreement. This basically outlines our

[24:50] full-time wildland crew and how they're

[24:53] responding to our contracts with Utah

[24:55] Forestream Fire State Lands. So, this

[24:57] really doesn't have anything to do with

[24:58] our community mitigation. is what our

[25:01] responsibilities are as far as our

[25:02] wildland crew responding to national

[25:05] events under our contract we have uh

[25:08] with for fire state lands.

[25:11] And so it just outlines what we have to

[25:13] do by our the type of truck we have to

[25:15] have, the equipment has to carry, the

[25:17] things we have to have on the truck, the

[25:18] crew we have to have, the crews

[25:20] qualifications, and then it outlines

[25:22] what the what the u the state will do,

[25:24] how they'll reimburse us, what we can be

[25:26] reimbured for, and stuff like that is

[25:28] what thisou is for. So I know there was

[25:31] a question that came up about uh it says

[25:33] in the agreement

[25:36] uh after all we can do, I think was the

[25:38] comment one. I couldn't find that in

[25:40] there, so I'm not sure if they had the

[25:41] right one. Uh, I tried to call that

[25:43] resident, but I couldn't.

[25:44] >> Okay.

[25:45] >> So, you got the same email.

[25:47] >> Yeah, tried to call them to find out

[25:48] where they were seeing that, but it

[25:50] really doesn't have anything to do with

[25:51] what our community is doing. It's more

[25:52] to do with what our wildlife crew does

[25:54] to this.

[25:56] >> That was on my end.

[25:58] Ted and I talk a lot about all these

[26:00] agreements that we have in place, and I

[26:01] think I reflected the wrong one in our

[26:03] in my video this week. Oh,

[26:08] >> so

[26:10] that's what this one is.

[26:14] » Okay. Any questions for Ted on that one?

[26:18] >> Right.

[26:19] >> Can I ask a question?

[26:21] >> In here it says the term of thisou shall

[26:24] be five years. So are we committing then

[26:27] to a wildland fire program and crew for

[26:29] five years?

[26:31] >> No. If we cancel our program, then the

[26:33] contract just basically becomes invalid.

[26:36] But but in five years, we have to renew

[26:38] it if our program still.

[26:40] >> So I just have a question. Since we all

[26:42] received the same email from our

[26:44] concerned citizens, have then do you

[26:46] feel like if you do you did you were you

[26:49] able to talk with them or not yet? Okay.

[26:51] But but you will clarify with them

[26:53] eventually on all of these concerns that

[26:56] they they gave us.

[26:57] >> Yeah. There's really Yeah.

[27:02] Wonderful.

[27:02] >> And there's really nothing I mean the

[27:04] term all we can do even if it's in the

[27:06] agreement basically

[27:08] what what we're agreeing to is we'll do

[27:10] a certain as far as the actual

[27:11] cooperative agreement not thisou we'll

[27:13] do a certain dollar value worth of

[27:15] mitigation in our city and then they

[27:16] will

[27:18] >> they will not bill us if they have to

[27:20] come to our city to help fight the fire

[27:22] >> and we way exceed that dollar.

[27:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. It just went up this year.

[27:26] It's a formula they use based on

[27:28] historic fires, amount of damage, all

[27:29] that kind of stuff. And our dollar value

[27:31] is like eight I want to say it's around

[27:33] 8,000. I didn't look it up exactly. And

[27:36] like last year we did roughly $50,000.

[27:39] Uh and that was just with our crew that

[27:42] wasn't residents. So with the residents,

[27:44] we probably exceed that. So it's uh for

[27:48] example, the Utah County has the same

[27:49] agreement. They got to do about $600,000

[27:52] worth of mitigation.

[27:54] >> And does ours help with our city to do

[27:57] chipping.

[27:58] >> When they're doing chipping our city, it

[27:59] goes towards their match for their

[28:01] operator.

[28:01] >> Yeah. Everybody just wants to make sure

[28:04] that uh that the cities who who

[28:07] potentially would have state assistance

[28:10] have, you know, skin in the game kind

[28:12] of, you know, that we are doing all that

[28:14] we can do in terms of um not not

[28:18] specifically that wordage, but that we

[28:21] really are working on doing it. And

[28:22] we're in our intent is to do what we can

[28:25] do

[28:27] >> 100%. Perfect. Any other questions here?

[28:31] >> Okay, Ted. Number six, discussion of the

[28:33] CPR uh contract for the A uh pickle ball

[28:37] grant.

[28:39] >> Uh so you've got the contract. Uh we

[28:42] just need to sign it. The

[28:44] uh we were obviously awarded the grant

[28:47] money. Um just the dollar values on this

[28:52] uh when the grant got submitted

[28:55] um the

[28:57] state is granting us 803,000ish.

[29:05] No

[29:11] 83,177.50.

[29:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. 83,000. And so we have to

[29:18] it's a 50% match. So we have to match

[29:19] that 50%. Now we do have inind in that.

[29:22] So we've got some residents are going to

[29:24] provide some incind. Um we didn't have a

[29:26] lot of inind. It was mostly because a

[29:29] lot of this is specialized. So we had

[29:30] excavation work which is a tune of about

[29:32] $9,000 in kind. So we're on the hook for

[29:35] 70 somehat thousand uh for our match.

[29:37] However, uh said we went through the

[29:40] budget today and um through budget

[29:43] savings this year and primarily in snow

[29:45] plowing, uh we have that budget money

[29:47] available uh to meet that match.

[29:50] So, I think we should be good on our end

[29:53] to be able to meet the match dollars

[29:55] through savings we have this year. Um

[29:58] and then with our inind.

[30:00] >> So, do you is there any need for uh PTR

[30:03] to sell bricks with and raise money

[30:06] >> if they want to? That'd be great because

[30:07] a couple of things that weren't included

[30:09] in the in the grant. And a few things we

[30:11] thought of was like it'd be kind of nice

[30:13] maybe to have a bench or two there. So

[30:14] if they want to find some donors, we can

[30:16] put some benches in so you can sit down

[30:17] and watch uh next to the court. Um maybe

[30:21] a little we put a little concrete with a

[30:22] couple benches there or something like

[30:23] that. So or maybe we can put benches and

[30:25] put a little brick thing inlay there

[30:27] with some names on it of donors and

[30:28] stuff like that. Um, so it' be nice to

[30:31] have I mean it's close enough to the

[30:32] pavilion that people could sit in the

[30:33] pavilion as well, but it might be nice

[30:35] to just have a couple benches for next

[30:37] up or whatever. So if they, you know, we

[30:40] can look for a few things like that that

[30:41] were part of the grant.

[30:46] » I want my name on a brick. Maybe we

[30:48] could do a path between the pavilion and

[30:50] the was that part of the path.

[30:52] >> We did have a path included

[30:55] um

[30:58] >> because we had the path the ADA path is

[31:00] included, right?

[31:00] >> Yeah. So, we've got an ADA path uh that

[31:04] from the kind of parking area over to

[31:06] the pickle ball court.

[31:08] >> Yay.

[31:09] >> Um one thing we talked about is if we

[31:11] have some savings or some extra funding

[31:13] with our road project, maybe we pave

[31:15] that parking area. That would be

[31:17] beautiful.

[31:18] >> That' be nice.

[31:19] >> Is there a rendering of where it is,

[31:21] where it's going to be, what's included?

[31:24] >> I do have a uh we'll call it a site

[31:27] plan.

[31:27] >> Okay.

[31:28] >> Of it.

[31:29] >> Does it include Well, I'm just wondering

[31:30] if if that cost if it's just the

[31:34] So, we've got the concrete pad

[31:36] >> and I'm I'm not sure if we're going to

[31:38] do the specialized coating.

[31:40] >> We are.

[31:42] >> And everything around it as well. The

[31:44] cost included the engineers to design

[31:46] it. Um,

[31:49] uh, the contractor for compacted road

[31:51] base, post tension concrete slab,

[31:54] acrylic surface, pickle ball sleeves,

[31:56] nets, poles, fencing and lighting, a

[31:58] paved ADA path, and basketball

[31:59] standards.

[32:00] >> Are we doing lighting?

[32:03] >> We got it in there if we want it.

[32:06] >> There was some thought to do some

[32:08] lighting on timers, so they'd have to go

[32:10] off at a certain hour.

[32:12] >> Yeah. I just um I know that originally

[32:16] when we first started talking about

[32:17] this, some of the people that live right

[32:20] around there, of course, it's kind of

[32:21] more central in the park, but some of

[32:24] the neighbors were concerned about

[32:25] lighting at night. And so, we had

[32:27] promised at the time that we wouldn't do

[32:28] lighting, but it was also slightly

[32:31] different location, so maybe that

[32:32] matters.

[32:33] >> Yeah.

[32:34] >> Well, and I think now if we have another

[32:35] year like we did this past winter,

[32:38] >> we'd use it a lot.

[32:39] >> They might actually use them.

[32:40] >> Yeah.

[32:41] >> Right. versus we're used to having six

[32:43] feet of snow in the park

[32:46] >> most of the dark evenings.

[32:49] Now we could have played all winter.

[32:51] >> Well, even if it's snowed, I guarantee

[32:53] you people will bring a shovel and clear

[32:54] off the court.

[32:58] >> I think it's more of the the lighting

[33:00] would be okay. It's the what time do we

[33:02] end? Like, you know, oh, park closes at

[33:05] 10:00 p.m. Lights are out.

[33:06] >> Yeah.

[33:07] >> Kind of thing. Because And you're you're

[33:09] right. in the winter dark at 4:30 or 5

[33:12] where in the summer it's still light

[33:13] till 9 or 10. So um not based more on um

[33:19] the condition but the time of day

[33:21] >> 100%.

[33:22] >> We and maybe this is for a different

[33:24] time. We talked about control of who

[33:28] gets in there or we just going to leave

[33:30] it open anybody who shows up regardless.

[33:31] >> Well I think because it's state funded

[33:34] we have to leave it open. Anybody in the

[33:37] state technically is a taxed,

[33:39] >> but every city has them. They're not

[33:41] going to drive up to Woodland Hills to

[33:42] use ours because Are you thinking more

[33:45] of that that one person doesn't just use

[33:48] them constantly to where it doesn't

[33:50] other people don't get a chance?

[33:51] >> Just didn't know how much

[33:56] I limitation we want to put on who

[33:59] >> if it's going to cause an issue.

[34:00] >> Yeah,

[34:01] >> it's okay. So part of the grant when we

[34:03] got this, part of what you have to show

[34:05] to get this grant money is that there's

[34:06] some sort of regional benefits. So that

[34:09] was one of the points that we made is it

[34:11] will help draw people to our beautiful

[34:13] community and maybe we can start

[34:15] sponsoring tournaments or something like

[34:17] that.

[34:18] >> Well, we know who to

[34:20] >> We have a couple of the

[34:24] familiar with our

[34:25] >> We'll put Steve in charge of it.

[34:27] Also,

[34:29] >> well, you could start having a pickle

[34:30] ball contest at

[34:32] >> shutition at Woodland Hill State.

[34:34] >> Yeah.

[34:35] >> So, what's the timeline?

[34:38] >> Uh, so we have 28 months to spend the

[34:40] money, I think, is what the agreement

[34:42] said. So, once it's signed, once it's

[34:44] signed, we can start anytime on the

[34:45] engineering design.

[34:46] >> Get her done.

[34:47] >> That's our plan is to see how quickly we

[34:50] can't get it done.

[34:51] >> We have the funding for it, so we get

[34:53] going on it right away.

[34:54] >> Okay. You just can't spend any money

[34:56] until the contract signed.

[34:59] >> Wonderful. Any other questions?

[35:03] >> Okay, Ted.

[35:04] >> Discussion phase three of the water.

[35:07] >> All right. This one I need power. I need

[35:08] to share my screen.

[35:14] » Do you want me to do something up here,

[35:15] Jody?

[35:16] >> No, he just needs to log into the Zoom

[35:18] call.

[35:25] Nobody was here.

[35:28] >> And while he's going, just if for those

[35:30] of you that don't know, which I believe

[35:32] everybody in this room does, uh last

[35:35] week we had um

[35:38] a lot of fun uh dealing with some water

[35:42] lines on Maple Drive. Uh we had

[35:45] >> about that.

[35:46] >> We did. So, we have were able to fix

[35:51] that issue. Um, we also lost two PRVs

[35:55] that we had to rebuild. So, it's in this

[35:58] older section. It is where we are

[36:00] striving hard to be able to hopefully

[36:03] figure out what we need to do to to fix

[36:05] this going forward. So,

[36:08] that's kind of what prompted putting

[36:09] this on the agenda for you guys to be

[36:11] aware of where we're at with this

[36:14] waterline infrastructure and possibly

[36:17] how quickly we may need to move on this

[36:19] >> and that would be considered phase four

[36:22] though, right? The

[36:23] >> this is phase three,

[36:24] >> but Maple because it's the water line

[36:27] and the road.

[36:28] >> No, so phase three of the pavement

[36:32] management.

[36:32] >> Oh, okay.

[36:33] >> This is phase this is phase three. gist

[36:36] of the WA water phase project.

[36:38] >> And I thought we were holding off on

[36:40] that till we were doing both at the same

[36:41] time for

[36:43] >> Yeah. So the these roads aren't part of

[36:45] the pavement management plan at all.

[36:47] >> They're set aside waiting for the

[36:50] waterline project that tackle those

[36:52] roads and water lines.

[36:53] >> Okay.

[36:54] >> All right. So for this one, I'm just

[36:56] going to go through give you a little

[36:57] bit of

[36:59] 4hour discussion on this. Um so buckle

[37:03] up. Are you sending us these slides?

[37:06] >> Yeah,

[37:06] >> that would be nice if you could.

[37:08] >> Um, so as mayor mentioned, last week we

[37:12] had a waterline break. The way this

[37:14] started, this waterline break, is we got

[37:16] a call from a resident right down here

[37:19] that said they were experiencing some

[37:20] high pressures.

[37:22] So, usually when we get residents

[37:24] experiencing high pressures, one of two

[37:26] things. either their home PRB has went

[37:28] out if they have one which is most

[37:30] common because their home PRVS our city

[37:33] pressures fluctuate and the home PRBs

[37:36] are to stabilize cut that pressure from

[37:37] the city and stabilize it for your home

[37:39] appliances, right? So because our

[37:42] pressures our pressures go up and down.

[37:43] So usually it's their home PRBs that

[37:44] went out. Uh, so Toby went down and he

[37:47] put the pressure gauge on this guy's uh

[37:51] um

[37:53] >> process hydrant

[37:56] and um it was reading really high. So we

[38:00] knew okay our water line is higher than

[38:02] it should be because this is our

[38:04] pressure reducing valve right here in

[38:06] our system and being only the second

[38:08] house downstream. He should have been

[38:10] much lower than what we were reading on.

[38:12] So, we knew we had a probably an issue

[38:14] with our PRV.

[38:17] So, we jumped in this vault here uh to

[38:19] check out see where our pressures were.

[38:21] Um it had no gauges.

[38:26] It was almost done. It was about

[38:27] twothirds of the way finished. So, Toby

[38:31] and I got in and we got some gauges,

[38:33] went down back in there, uh threw on

[38:35] some gauges, got some really good

[38:37] showers while we were doing it. Um, and

[38:40] the gauges read high. So, we knew we had

[38:43] an issue with those valves. So, we

[38:44] started trying to turn the valves down

[38:46] and they wouldn't adjust, which tells us

[38:48] the valves had gone bad. So, there is

[38:51] actually a manufacturer who has a

[38:54] service rep that will come up and

[38:55] service these valves for you. So, we

[38:56] called him. He came up the next morning.

[38:59] Uh, oh, sorry. Let me jump back. While

[39:01] we were getting showered in this vault

[39:03] here, uh, replacing

[39:06] those air gauges, the water line blew up

[39:08] right here.

[39:10] And there was a series mayor come out

[39:12] and said, uh, resident down here was

[39:15] called and they said they got a lot of

[39:16] water running down the road.

[39:18] >> So, we popped over here, looked at it,

[39:19] and sure enough, there was a water lot

[39:20] of water running down the road. Um, so

[39:22] we went down, we shut down the water

[39:25] system here. Um, so we didn't get a

[39:27] chance to get back and kind of finish

[39:28] what we were doing here. got a

[39:31] contractor and started going on digging

[39:32] up this water line. Called the rep. He

[39:35] came up the next morning. So, we were

[39:37] kind of working on these this vault

[39:39] simultaneously working on this water

[39:40] line break. This right here is the pipe

[39:44] that that broke. Now, we'll come back to

[39:46] that in just a minute after I tell the

[39:48] story. So, um got these valves fixed and

[39:52] found out we still had high pressure.

[39:55] So, there are three PRV vaults that feed

[39:59] this zone,

[40:01] this pressure zone. So, we popped in

[40:03] this one and it looked like it was

[40:05] breeding bad. Went and jumped in this

[40:07] one. It was doing fine. Came back to

[40:10] this one and found out we had a bad

[40:11] valve in this one as well. And so, we

[40:14] ended up getting that valve rebuilt. So,

[40:16] we rebuilt there's two valves in this

[40:17] one, one in this one. We rebuilt three

[40:19] valves and then we got our pressure

[40:20] stabilized back to where they should be.

[40:24] Uh now Wednesday night uh we called a

[40:26] contractor. This went about five five

[40:28] o'clock when this blew somewhere around

[40:30] there. So we got a hold of a contractor,

[40:33] one of our on call contractors come up.

[40:34] We dug this up and uh found the leak

[40:38] that night. Had it had it repaired by

[40:40] about midnight that night. Got it all

[40:41] repaired. Got water back to people. We

[40:43] left the hole open. Oh,

[40:48] we left the hole open so we could check

[40:51] it the next morning. went out that. So,

[40:53] we put a repair sleeve around this. This

[40:55] was the hole that was in there. Now, one

[40:57] thing to note about this hole, you see

[40:58] how this is kind of this the scaration

[41:01] around it.

[41:03] >> That is the iron been eaten away. This

[41:05] is a duct iron pipe that's missing iron

[41:08] because it's been eaten away by

[41:09] corrosion.

[41:10] So, these pipes are corroding or not

[41:13] great shape. They're 50 plus years old.

[41:16] They're 6 in water lines. Now, minimum

[41:19] requires 8 in. Um, when you're looking

[41:22] at this type of pipe, ductal iron, the

[41:24] assumed life of this is 50 years old.

[41:26] That's in pretty good conditions. Uh,

[41:29] this pipe when it was installed back in

[41:30] the 70s, they put no pipe bedding around

[41:32] it. So, we were digging out rocks this

[41:33] big from around the pipe, which is also

[41:35] problematic around pipes.

[41:37] >> Pipes will actually vibrate in the

[41:38] ground if they're sitting on a big rock

[41:39] that's a point load on it, and it'll

[41:41] just wear a hole. We had that happen

[41:43] twice up here this last few months.

[41:46] Um, so there were several issues when

[41:49] but anyway, we got this repaired, went

[41:51] out the next morning. We left it open so

[41:53] we could see make sure the repair was

[41:55] going to hold. Went out the next morning

[41:56] just above where we repair the pipe had

[41:58] cracked overnight.

[42:00] >> So

[42:02] story is the pipe's in really bad shape

[42:05] and we knew that, you know, 15 years

[42:06] old.

[42:08] >> Last time we did the waterline project,

[42:09] this was the same issues we were having

[42:11] and we had like five of these in two

[42:12] weeks. Um, so this is on borrowed time,

[42:17] not great shape.

[42:20] So we have been planning projects to

[42:22] replace these. Um, it's kind of hard to

[42:26] see in here.

[42:29] This is uh all our pipes right here

[42:34] that are where we still have all those

[42:36] old 50-year-old 6-in water lines. So

[42:39] basically Maple, East Valley View, Lake

[42:41] View, Highline, Sky, uh Sky Lake,

[42:43] Highline, Highline, Mountain Bell,

[42:46] Schoolhouse, and then we have a couple

[42:49] over here that still have a little bit

[42:50] in them, a little bit of settlement, and

[42:52] Homestead.

[42:54] These are all the ones where we still

[42:55] have all those old pipes. Now, in

[42:57] addition to the old pipes, we have old

[42:58] PRVs. That was the one that fell.

[43:01] Actually ended up finally, we found out

[43:02] was an old PRV, which ironically was

[43:05] missing some parts. We still can't

[43:07] figure out why

[43:08] >> um because it had never been

[43:12] » anyway. Um

[43:16] fire hydrants are old. When we when we

[43:18] opened a fire hydrant to um

[43:21] bleed out the air when we put water back

[43:23] in the water line, uh fire hydrant would

[43:25] shut back off. The nuts on it were so

[43:28] gone. It was just popping water out the

[43:30] top. So, we actually had to shut that

[43:31] fire hydrant off and it's taped now

[43:33] because the fire hydrant is no good.

[43:35] So these are all the areas where we have

[43:37] these bad water lines. Now

[43:39] >> it's a lot.

[43:40] >> What's that?

[43:41] >> That's a lot.

[43:42] >> It's a lot. It's

[43:43] >> This is the original part of the city.

[43:45] So that's why they're the pipes there

[43:47] are the are the oldest because that's

[43:49] the original city.

[43:50] >> I know. But I was hoping that we had

[43:52] more of it done than I mean we've done a

[43:54] lot. I get it.

[43:55] >> So we did about three and a half to four

[43:56] miles four years ago. Five years ago we

[43:59] did that project. This is about another

[44:01] three and a half to four miles of water

[44:03] lines.

[44:05] So, uh, I want to talk through it's

[44:08] about 3.6 miles and I'm going to say 3.6

[44:13] to four. Uh, these are kind of estimated

[44:15] numbers, not based on survey data, just

[44:18] based on

[44:19] Google GIS data. Um,

[44:22] >> and that's all of those those um streets

[44:26] there because they're not all named in

[44:28] your subsequent paragraphs there. So, I

[44:30] was just wondering, is it still covering

[44:33] everywhere from Maple to Skylake?

[44:38] » Yes.

[44:38] >> Okay.

[44:39] >> The project is

[44:39] >> Yeah, the project because it just said

[44:41] total replacement.

[44:43] >> Yeah.

[44:43] >> So, I just making sure the 3.6 included

[44:45] all of the streets.

[44:48] >> Well, we'll talk about that here in a

[44:49] minute. That specific paragraph doesn't,

[44:52] but it's talking about something else.

[44:53] >> Okay. Um, so the total project cost is

[44:57] roughly six to $6.5 million to replace

[44:59] all these.

[45:01] Um, that's including replacing all the

[45:04] roads with them. So like we did on the

[45:06] last project, pulverize and repave all

[45:08] the roads. So they have new roads as

[45:09] well. If we took the roads out, it'd be

[45:11] roughly about $5 million to replace

[45:14] these. Now that includes a 15%

[45:16] contingency that we throw in there at a

[45:18] planning level. Um so we applied for uh

[45:24] community project funding through

[45:25] Burgess Owen's office.

[45:28] Um the the we put in three different

[45:31] requests. Well, we started with one.

[45:33] They came back and asked us to give them

[45:35] two more. So we did. We submitted a

[45:38] request for $2.4 million to Burgess's

[45:41] office. Um well, we started out at

[45:44] almost five because you can go up to

[45:46] five. They said, "You're not going to

[45:48] get five. We don't we don't really do

[45:50] that. Most of our projects are million

[45:52] to billion and a half." So we said, but

[45:54] they said, "We know this is very

[45:56] important for you guys, so go ahead and

[45:57] put in there a little bit bigger

[45:58] request." So we put in a $2.4 million

[46:00] request with a $750,000 city match. Um,

[46:05] and that would do Maple, Valley View,

[46:09] Lake View, and Mountain Veil.

[46:12] at 3.15 million when you add those two

[46:15] up would do those streets.

[46:18] The middle funding request we did

[46:20] because he said well put in there you

[46:21] know a million million and a half. So we

[46:23] did a million and a half request with a

[46:26] 750k which would basically do maple and mountain bell and then we put

[46:31] in a low funding request of a million

[46:32] with a 500 uh 500,000 match from the

[46:35] city which would basically just do

[46:36] maple. I think we're going to end up

[46:39] right around here is what we'll actually

[46:40] get for funding. Now, we ranked number

[46:42] four out of 20 on their project list.

[46:45] The response back from uh the person I

[46:48] was working with, the aid of purchase

[46:49] owners office, was that uh you guys are high enough on the ranking, you'll

[46:54] probably get something, but they just

[46:56] don't know what yet.

[46:58] >> Does this 1.5 and 2.4 plus the other is

[47:02] that with road replacement as well?

[47:04] >> Yes. Yeah. All with road replacement.

[47:06] Yeah.

[47:08] Um, so now you get an idea of kind of

[47:10] what we've put in for funding, what the

[47:11] total project scale and costs are. So

[47:14] then I started doing some

[47:16] putting together some information about

[47:18] some possible funding scenarios, just

[47:20] things to noodle over as we think about

[47:21] this. I think what's going to be uh

[47:23] we'll we'll talk about here in just a

[47:25] minute. So when you look at funding

[47:27] through the state division of drinking

[47:28] water, which is probably the most

[47:30] popular funding agency in the state,

[47:31] you've also got rural water and CIB. uh

[47:35] I don't think we'd qualify or or do real

[47:37] well at CIB. Rural water uh is is a good

[47:40] funding organization as well. You

[47:41] typically don't get as good a terms with

[47:43] them as you do the state division

[47:44] drinking water. Um so most of them go

[47:47] through the state division drinking

[47:48] water. They have criteria they set to

[47:50] determine um how you get loans and

[47:53] grants. So they look at your affordable

[47:55] water bill is what they call it and they

[47:57] assume affordable water bill for a

[47:59] community is 1.75% of your median

[48:02] adjusted gross income.

[48:04] The median adjusted gross income for

[48:06] Woodland Hills right now is $91,000.

[48:10] So if you take 1.75% of that, then you

[48:13] got to do divided by 12 to put it into a

[48:15] monthly bill. That's $132 is what the

[48:18] state says we can afford based on our

[48:19] income in our community a month for a

[48:21] water bill. Right now uh based on 2025

[48:26] water usage data, our average water bill

[48:28] is around $127.

[48:30] Now, what they use that for is they say

[48:32] anything once you get above if you have

[48:34] to take up funding that puts your

[48:36] affordable water bill above what we

[48:38] think it should be, then you start

[48:40] qualifying for grant and no interest

[48:42] loans. And that's what we got last time.

[48:45] There's no guarantee on those and what

[48:46] you get. So, you can see we're really

[48:49] pushing that limit right now to get be

[48:52] eligible for grant money

[48:55] and low interest loans. And it all

[48:57] depends on how much the state has. So

[48:59] potentially if we went for a loan from

[49:02] the state beyond $1 million, we would

[49:04] start looking at probably getting some

[49:06] grant dollars. But what that looks like,

[49:08] I don't know.

[49:10] >> Um,

[49:10] >> and a prerequisite is we'd have to

[49:12] increase the water.

[49:13] >> We'd have to increase our water rate to

[49:15] at least $132 average water bill. So by

[49:18] five bucks a month, that would get us

[49:21] about a million dollars,

[49:24] >> which doesn't go very far in our

[49:26] projects. And as you can see back in our

[49:27] projects that basically gets maple.

[49:29] >> Yeah. Gets m one one one road done and

[49:31] but that's that increases for the entire

[49:34] city.

[49:35] >> So the typical loan rate uh at drinking

[49:38] water just information is usually 2 to

[49:39] 4% in their terms three years. So then I

[49:42] looked at a few different scenarios

[49:43] based on what we got from what we've

[49:45] requested from Burgess's office. So if

[49:47] we went through for that package with

[49:49] the total fund of 3.15 million which was

[49:51] the 2.4 work from their office plus the

[49:54] 75 we would contribute. Um the balance

[49:58] to be funded of the total project is

[49:59] three and a half million. We would have

[50:01] to raise our water bill to about $148.

[50:05] So it' go up by about 20 bucks a month.

[50:07] Um now that could vary a bit depending

[50:10] on how much grant we would get or low

[50:13] interest loan. This all assumed a 3%

[50:16] interest

[50:17] on a loan 30-year loan. the middle

[50:20] funding scenario, then we're we're

[50:22] looking at needing about 4.37 million uh

[50:25] as far as loan money goes from the

[50:27] state, which we'd have to raise our

[50:28] water bill 160. And then if we did got

[50:31] the lowest

[50:33] amount from Owen's office, then we're

[50:35] looking at we'd need probably still $5

[50:36] million and we'd have a water we'd have

[50:38] to raise our water bill somewhere 165.

[50:41] Now, those are assuming we got no grant

[50:42] money or 0% interest, which we likely

[50:45] would. But the state, until you go to

[50:48] the state, they just

[50:50] it all depends on how much money they

[50:52] have. They have two different funds.

[50:53] They have state funds and federal funds.

[50:55] Uh state funds are usually don't they

[50:57] don't have a lot of and that's where

[50:58] their grant money comes from. Federal

[50:59] funds is usually where all their money

[51:01] where they house most all their money

[51:03] and that's all loan money.

[51:07] So, I just wanted to run that by you

[51:09] guys. start thinking about that. Um,

[51:13] this is really what it would take to be

[51:14] able to do these projects.

[51:18] Now, caveat this by saying all of this

[51:22] funding comes from uh our water is an

[51:25] enterprise fund as you guys know. So,

[51:28] all of this money comes from water rates

[51:31] is how we have to pay for these

[51:32] projects. We can't come from the general

[51:34] fund. So, property taxes aren't used for

[51:37] this. um looking at trying to find

[51:40] places in the general fund budget to cut

[51:43] wouldn't would work for this project

[51:45] because it has to come from our water.

[51:47] >> Yeah. Because I'm in my head thinking

[51:49] hearing people complain that we're going

[51:51] to spend money on pickle ball courts

[51:52] when we have

[51:53] >> Yeah. two water lines.

[51:54] >> Two separate things. The the the

[51:57] pickleball course general fund. This is

[51:58] water. The only thing we really have in

[52:00] water is our operations and maintenance.

[52:02] And we do have a portion of a couple of

[52:06] ours uh salaries and that's really all

[52:08] we have in our water fund.

[52:09] >> That's just a portion of them. So even

[52:11] if we I mean there's really nothing in

[52:13] the water fund to cut

[52:14] >> and that is state statute that water has

[52:16] to pay for water. It's not a Woodland

[52:18] Hills decision to do this. That's

[52:20] because it's an enterprise fund and it's use based.

[52:24] >> I get it. I'm just getting ready for the

[52:27] comments. Cutting items from general

[52:29] fund wouldn't work for this. Slashing

[52:33] salaries, slashing road funds, slashing

[52:35] pickle ball courts, slashing park

[52:37] doesn't work for this. It has to come

[52:39] from the water.

[52:41] >> Okay.

[52:44] » Well, thank you Ted for that uh

[52:46] wonderful news.

[52:47] >> And if you can send us your slides, that

[52:49] would be great.

[52:50] >> Any questions for Ted? Um, as we as we

[52:53] go forward, um, obviously we can't fix

[52:57] the past, but as we go forward, are we

[52:59] keeping a useful life analysis and

[53:03] putting reserves in place and all that?

[53:05] So, you know, 45 years from now when

[53:08] we're

[53:10] replacing the the newest stuff we have,

[53:13] we aren't putting this burden on

[53:16] >> the other residents.

[53:19] Uh it's an interesting question. The

[53:23] answer is sort of.

[53:25] So uh when you

[53:27] >> ketchup we could save.

[53:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. Once again it has to be

[53:31] something saved in the water fund. And

[53:34] the way you acrew additional funds for

[53:37] the water fund is basically raise your

[53:39] rates. So it's always that fine balance

[53:42] of affordability for our residents

[53:43] versus what we want to do in the future.

[53:46] So we don't have to continue people ask

[53:49] for loans. Now you know loans aren't bad

[53:52] things. Uh I know we think of them

[53:54] personally like a loan is not a great

[53:56] thing but for cities it's actually not

[53:58] bad to use your money that way. Um you

[54:01] can leverage your money a lot farther by

[54:02] doing that. However the state does

[54:05] require us when we do go in for a loan

[54:07] or grant money. We have to show that we

[54:09] are setting aside money every year for

[54:13] future replacement. The way we do that

[54:15] is we either add a a value to our when

[54:19] we calculate our total costs, we have to

[54:22] add a value to that of 1.1 1.2 times

[54:25] what our cost is. So we're saving 10 20%

[54:27] more through our water rate adjustment

[54:31] or we do that. The way we do it more

[54:32] often is we de depreciate our water

[54:35] system. those depreciations are are

[54:38] dollars that translate into.

[54:42] So the answer is is we do

[54:45] um and that's where for example our

[54:49] match dollars for this loan money will

[54:51] come from um will be from that money

[54:54] that we've saved through depreciation of

[54:56] our system. Now um it's always a

[54:59] challenge because when you're talking 5

[55:00] million that takes a long time for a

[55:01] community like ours to solve. So likely

[55:03] you're going to have to go out and get

[55:04] some sort of financing, but the best way

[55:06] to do that is through having some match

[55:08] dollars through saving some money,

[55:10] >> grand low interest. Yeah.

[55:11] >> Yeah.

[55:12] >> So just let you know, this proposed 2026

[55:16] 2027 budget, that depreciation number

[55:19] that we're socking away for the the next

[55:21] future is $247,396.

[55:26] Um that is headed back into the account

[55:28] as a line item here. And we have to

[55:30] report that to drinking water when we go

[55:32] to law. Then we do depreciation system.

[55:35] So that's good. And there's also a

[55:37] balance because they um as as our city

[55:42] is run on taxpayer dollars, they don't

[55:43] want the state overall in statute

[55:46] doesn't want us to just be hoarding

[55:47] money because if you're keeping it

[55:50] stockpiled, but if you have it for a

[55:52] capital project or for enterprise fund

[55:55] like water, then you can justify that

[55:58] why you're keeping this money in a in a

[56:00] special space

[56:02] >> to use for future. You're not just

[56:03] hoarding it just in case. Yeah,

[56:05] >> I mean we can do up um most of the

[56:08] cities have 35% in a rainy day fund for

[56:11] emergencies although that the

[56:12] legislature is thinking of moving that

[56:14] back to 25%

[56:16] which I don't agree with because

[56:19] emergencies are cost more costly now

[56:21] than ever but um on the water funds but

[56:23] if you can show that it's a certain

[56:25] percentage of the bill and that it's

[56:27] going towards future replacement then

[56:30] they're more likely to understand and approve of your justific ification.

[56:36] >> Gotcha.

[56:37] >> So, just one final item on this. The

[56:38] Division of Drinking Water right now has

[56:40] a moratorum and we're testing funding.

[56:42] It will open up again July 1, and

[56:45] they're going to hit be hit with a lot

[56:46] of applications July 1.

[56:48] >> Um, if we're thinking about this, we may

[56:51] want to get our application in the

[56:52] queue. Um, the reason they put a

[56:55] six-month moratorum on funding

[56:57] applications was because they were

[56:58] trying to get a handle on their money

[56:59] when all that ARPA money was happening.

[57:01] they were getting so many applications

[57:02] and so many um funds going out and

[57:06] coming in that they couldn't keep track

[57:07] of it all. So they shut down so they can

[57:09] get a handle on everything.

[57:11] So we may want to get in the queue and

[57:14] get an application into them. And so we

[57:15] have to decide what we want to do as far

[57:18] as the type of application. Do we want

[57:21] to look at water rate increase

[57:23] or wait till we hear on Burgess Owens?

[57:27] >> Do we have a timeline at all on on

[57:29] Congressman Owens? um approval.

[57:32] >> No, Jody's looked up some stuff today.

[57:33] It looks like historically it's kind of

[57:35] been what was it? May, July, and

[57:38] >> like that. So,

[57:40] >> sometime between now and the end of the

[57:41] year.

[57:42] >> And I asked him, that's what they said,

[57:44] but I didn't know if they'd given you

[57:45] anything else. No,

[57:46] >> it looks like July isn't when they do a

[57:48] lot of big ones. But um

[57:52] the HUD housing is also part of that um

[57:57] community funding project and that was

[57:58] put on hold recently as well.

[58:01] >> So as they're getting these funding back

[58:03] up seems like they're starting to work.

[58:09] » One one more question that that's

[58:11] probably going to be a very unpopular

[58:13] question, but um

[58:15] >> we like those ones. Carry on,

[58:16] >> especially when they're coming from me.

[58:18] Um,

[58:20] so

[58:22] had the three bridges gone through

[58:25] Maple? Yeah, I know. Um, would that have

[58:29] been any benefit to the city in terms of

[58:32] use or impact or anything like that that

[58:34] could have, you know, and I'm asking a

[58:36] real question because it's important

[58:38] dialogue for all of us to understand as

[58:40] we're making decisions,

[58:43] right?

[58:45] is could there have I mean we can't

[58:47] rewrite the past but

[58:49] >> yeah I guess that depends on what you're

[58:51] talking about in uh certainly for the

[58:55] residents on maple probably not uh

[58:58] benefit um probably more of a hindrance

[59:01] there

[59:01] >> cars going for sure

[59:03] >> when you're talking about city

[59:04] infrastructure

[59:06] >> specifically um one of the requirements

[59:08] were would have been that road would

[59:11] have had to been redone but in order to

[59:13] redo the road we have to do the water

[59:14] line So I I don't know what we would

[59:16] have negotiated with them because we

[59:17] didn't get that far, but uh I I the the

[59:20] road wouldn't have met the standard. Uh

[59:22] so they would have had to minimum redid

[59:24] the road, but we wouldn't want to do

[59:25] that without doing the water line. So

[59:27] there could have been some shared cost

[59:28] or something there,

[59:30] >> which is the minimal part because the

[59:31] water line is the more expensive part.

[59:33] >> Yeah. No, and I only ask a question

[59:35] because I know it's a very unpopular

[59:36] thing, but it quite possibly could have

[59:39] been a strategic thing. So yeah.

[59:44] >> Okay. Thanks. Good to know.

[59:46] >> Of course.

[59:47] >> So Ted, you had you had uh put quite a

[59:50] bit of money into your PRV survey. Um is this something you need to go back to

[59:56] them? Because if you had two PRVs that

[59:58] were missing gauges and and things like

[1:00:01] that, is this something that you're

[1:00:02] concerned about? Is this something we

[1:00:04] need to look into more?

[1:00:07] >> Uh yes. and and actually so they did go

[1:00:11] through all the PRVs kind of and made a

[1:00:13] list of things that need to be fixed.

[1:00:15] We've been slowly working on those. We

[1:00:17] actually did have in the notes from that

[1:00:19] survey that there were no pressure

[1:00:20] gauges in that vault. Uh so that's

[1:00:22] something that identified. Uh we just

[1:00:24] hadn't gone to that vault. It's actually

[1:00:27] not as old as some of our others because

[1:00:29] it's in Woodland Hills Drive which was

[1:00:30] done about 2013 2014

[1:00:33] >> when that vault was put in. Uh so it's

[1:00:35] not as old as our ones over in Maple and

[1:00:37] that. Um, so it wasn't kind of a

[1:00:40] priority vault, but they had identified

[1:00:42] that it didn't have gauges in it.

[1:00:44] >> Okay. And they wouldn't have known

[1:00:45] missing parts, so that that that's

[1:00:47] reasonable. Yeah,

[1:00:48] >> that was very interesting. Those valves

[1:00:50] were dated 2013 and they had no springs

[1:00:52] in them.

[1:00:54] >> Those are optional.

[1:00:56] >> No,

[1:00:58] >> especially when you know those springs

[1:01:00] were replaced by those three rocks you

[1:01:01] pulled out.

[1:01:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of rocks

[1:01:04] that came out of those things and

[1:01:05] >> Yeah, they were

[1:01:07] a good inch.

[1:01:08] >> It's been It's been a lot of fun. I

[1:01:10] mean, we get new and interesting

[1:01:12] challenges every day in the city. So,

[1:01:13] it's a it's it's it's a lot of fun

[1:01:15] working here. It keeps it lively.

[1:01:18] >> Well, I mean, it's it's super urgent now

[1:01:20] because when you start repairing lines,

[1:01:23] it surges pressure in other places that

[1:01:25] might have been fine otherwise for a

[1:01:28] little bit longer. Now, all of a sudden,

[1:01:29] it's going to start a chain reaction.

[1:01:32] >> And that's what we think happened here.

[1:01:33] It may have been that when that one

[1:01:35] vault on PRV on Valley View, that's the

[1:01:37] one ultimately we decided went out. Uh

[1:01:40] it it probably surged and popped that

[1:01:42] hole.

[1:01:43] >> Um and and we can I mean we get surges

[1:01:46] in our lines all the time, right? You

[1:01:47] close the fire too fast causes a surge

[1:01:49] and stuff like that. And that's why we

[1:01:50] always encourage homeowners, make sure

[1:01:52] you've got your PRVs

[1:01:55] current in your house because that's

[1:01:56] what protects their home.

[1:01:58] >> Yeah. And that's so hard for people to

[1:02:00] even understand that it's their

[1:02:02] responsibility and they don't ha

[1:02:05] especially if you're not the one who

[1:02:06] built the home and put it in originally.

[1:02:08] You might not know when it was last

[1:02:10] replaced.

[1:02:12] >> So I need to put that on our list of

[1:02:14] videos to do.

[1:02:15] >> Uhhuh.

[1:02:15] >> Could do. We've done a TED talk on it on

[1:02:18] the newsletter. We could do a video just

[1:02:20] Yeah. 10 years. If your if your PRV

[1:02:23] hasn't been replaced in 10 years, it's

[1:02:24] time to replace it. That's about the

[1:02:25] life of those PRVs. I think a video

[1:02:28] would be good. I know you we've done the

[1:02:29] TED talk, but a video would be good.

[1:02:33] >> Perfect. Okay. Any other questions on

[1:02:34] the waterline potential need?

[1:02:38] And one thing that I found fascinating

[1:02:40] because, you know, it was fun, I was

[1:02:41] able to Ted didn't kick me out of the

[1:02:43] project, so I was able to hang out. Um,

[1:02:46] but that impact zone you saw on top of

[1:02:49] the pipe, that was the rock. You could

[1:02:51] see that was the impact. That was the

[1:02:53] size of the rock that was sitting there.

[1:02:55] And as those pipes are working, they are

[1:02:58] vibrating just enough that that rock sat

[1:03:01] there and just vibrated the daylights

[1:03:03] out of it. And with the amount of rocks

[1:03:05] we pulled out of that that night, you

[1:03:08] could tell that this is the norm across

[1:03:11] that line. And we will have problems

[1:03:16] in the near future on that line.

[1:03:18] >> We now require a pipe bedding around all

[1:03:20] the pipes. And we have I mean they have

[1:03:22] to put a nice bedding around all the

[1:03:23] pipes so we don't get all the rocks and

[1:03:24] stuff like that.

[1:03:26] >> Um we've even had leaks in pipes that

[1:03:29] were put in in probably 2000.

[1:03:32] So a little more recent that you didn't

[1:03:35] have pipe heading either. Same thing

[1:03:36] rocks were a hole in them. And

[1:03:38] >> so

[1:03:40] >> yeah. So something to just think about

[1:03:43] as we think about the future. What are

[1:03:45] those financial needs that we have? This

[1:03:46] one I think is one of the highest.

[1:03:49] >> Okay. Um, Ted, are you joining us on

[1:03:54] this vacation portion or will that be

[1:03:56] you, Wayne?

[1:04:00] » Vacation of the road?

[1:04:02] >> T's probably more familiar with.

[1:04:04] >> Okay, then let's just skip there. I'm

[1:04:06] going to skip to number nine. Um, with

[1:04:08] Bucky on the line as well. We're going

[1:04:10] to discuss the request for Woodland Hill

[1:04:12] City to vacate a portion of a road.

[1:04:16] >> Yeah. So this is um a piece of road that

[1:04:19] probably should have brought the map. Um

[1:04:21] when what we call South Loafer was

[1:04:24] originally platted, it was platted to

[1:04:26] come all the way through and connect to

[1:04:27] Bear Hollow.

[1:04:29] Um when Summit Creek uh finished South

[1:04:33] Loper and it's a private road. Um

[1:04:35] initially was a public road, it went to

[1:04:37] private road. Um they then made a

[1:04:41] culde-sac out of it and didn't bring

[1:04:44] that last little piece through. It's

[1:04:47] 150ish ft

[1:04:49] um through to Bear Hollow.

[1:04:52] So, we now have this piece of city

[1:04:55] rideway property

[1:04:58] um that used to be South Loafer. It's

[1:05:01] about it's 56 ft wide. Um it's a road

[1:05:04] rideway. Uh I think it's 160ish

[1:05:07] feet long somewhere around there.

[1:05:09] >> It's like two2.

[1:05:11] >> Yeah. Um, it sits between two lots on

[1:05:14] Bear Hall.

[1:05:16] >> Um, we really have no use for that

[1:05:19] property,

[1:05:22] a city property. Uh, it's just surplus

[1:05:25] property to us that we wouldn't have any

[1:05:26] use for. Um, Bucky with Summer Creek has

[1:05:29] approached us and asked if we'd be

[1:05:31] interested in selling that property. Um,

[1:05:33] it it would be beneficial to them to

[1:05:36] access a couple of lots that they are

[1:05:38] included in their development.

[1:05:41] And so we uh got

[1:05:45] >> 2.4 million.

[1:05:47] >> Oh yeah.

[1:05:48] >> They're going to replace all the water

[1:05:49] lines for us.

[1:05:50] >> Oh, Becky doesn't have a smiley picture

[1:05:52] up.

[1:05:54] >> Silence is acceptance.

[1:05:56] >> I just died. I I'm not sure about that

[1:06:00] one.

[1:06:04] » Acceptance.

[1:06:07] So they have approached. it would it would be beneficial for them to

[1:06:11] access some of their properties. They

[1:06:12] approached us about purchasing it from

[1:06:14] us uh this right away. Um we did some

[1:06:19] back of the napkin numbers

[1:06:22] um and the way

[1:06:24] >> back napkin involved

[1:06:25] >> and and when you say back of the napkin

[1:06:26] that's not really did some research I

[1:06:29] guess is a better way to put it. Um

[1:06:31] because I I I I I've researched I' I've

[1:06:33] been involved in these transactions

[1:06:35] quite a bit for stuff like this over my

[1:06:37] consulting years and also did some

[1:06:39] research into UD do how they do this

[1:06:41] kind of stuff. Um really the value of

[1:06:44] the property um in the end is what

[1:06:46] someone's willing to pay for it. But the

[1:06:48] way you value this property is not like

[1:06:49] a typical lot. you kind of value what

[1:06:52] property might go around it and then you

[1:06:54] come up with kind of a square footage

[1:06:56] cost that then you apply to this and

[1:06:59] because it's unimproved lot and it's a

[1:07:01] rightaway

[1:07:03] um it its value can be anywhere from 20

[1:07:06] to 50% of the value of the property

[1:07:09] around it and so I think we came up with

[1:07:12] a value of that 20 to 30,000ish for this

[1:07:16] piece

[1:07:18] um of road right Okay. Um I think we

[1:07:23] kind of settled in the middle.

[1:07:26] Maybe that's 25,000

[1:07:29] um

[1:07:30] for this piece of property.

[1:07:34] If the city wants to anything over

[1:07:36] 20,000 has to come to council as a

[1:07:37] surplus. Um I don't see us having any

[1:07:40] use for that property in the future. Uh

[1:07:42] it's too small. We could not do anything

[1:07:44] with it. Um it's in a location we

[1:07:46] wouldn't we wouldn't have anything to do

[1:07:48] with. Um, so the question is, do we want

[1:07:50] to surplus it? Now, Wayne brought up a

[1:07:52] couple of points today that we got to

[1:07:53] think about. Uh, if this gets included

[1:07:56] as uh a parcel to one of those lots,

[1:07:58] does it create a flag lot? So, we got to

[1:08:01] think about that. And then, um, the

[1:08:04] frontage, Wayne, did you look at the

[1:08:05] frontage issue?

[1:08:07] >> Yes. 60 ft required.

[1:08:09] >> So, 60 ft and this is a 56 foot rideway.

[1:08:11] Um,

[1:08:12] >> I think this would just be access. I

[1:08:13] think the frontage would actually be on

[1:08:15] that street behind it.

[1:08:16] >> South Loafer. This is Yeah, this is an

[1:08:18] access. It's not really a lot. It's an

[1:08:19] access to the lots.

[1:08:21] >> Yeah.

[1:08:22] >> So, be a shared driveway. So, I don't

[1:08:24] think I don't think flag, correct me if

[1:08:27] I'm wrong here, but I don't think the

[1:08:28] flag lot's really an issue because that

[1:08:30] frontage they have that 100 footage of

[1:08:33] frontage.

[1:08:34] >> Yeah.

[1:08:34] >> That would be depending on how we're

[1:08:37] defining frontage. If their homes are

[1:08:39] facing that culde-sac instead of facing

[1:08:44] what is that? Bear hollow.

[1:08:45] >> Yeah. Um then it's just the access and

[1:08:49] their frontage is actually facing which

[1:08:52] they have more than 100 feet.

[1:08:54] >> Yeah. And that was kind of just a couple

[1:08:55] things I brought up to think about. Um

[1:08:57] and I don't know the plan, Bucky. I'm

[1:08:58] guessing they would f face south loafer

[1:09:00] because that's all the houses on that

[1:09:02] street do.

[1:09:03] >> This access would probably come in to

[1:09:04] the side of the house, I'm guessing, or

[1:09:06] something like that.

[1:09:06] >> Do you have any insight on that, Bucky?

[1:09:15] You're muted if you're trying to talk

[1:09:16] right now. Bucky,

[1:09:17] >> he had a prior commitment tonight and he

[1:09:19] was gonna kind of

[1:09:22] >> Sorry. Can you hear me? Okay.

[1:09:24] >> Yes, we can hear you.

[1:09:25] >> I I didn't realize I was muted.

[1:09:27] >> Um, yeah. So, the houses would face,

[1:09:32] you know, I'm not really I'm not really

[1:09:34] certain. And it's hard without a design,

[1:09:37] but I think they would face probably

[1:09:39] towards the the private road down below.

[1:09:44] Just

[1:09:44] >> a souther.

[1:09:46] >> Yeah, south loafer. Yeah, that's just a

[1:09:48] steep driveway. If we come off souther

[1:09:52] to get up to those houses, it's doable.

[1:09:55] It just with that little access there,

[1:09:59] it it makes it makes it easier to get to

[1:10:02] those lots and easier driveway for those

[1:10:05] lots. Um, but uh yeah, I mean I think I

[1:10:11] think the frontage I think the I think

[1:10:13] the houses would face towards South

[1:10:16] Loper. That was the question, right?

[1:10:19] >> Correct.

[1:10:20] >> So my question is so would it be a

[1:10:22] vacation of that lot or a sale? I mean

[1:10:25] of that property or as a road or would

[1:10:28] it be the sale of that property for a

[1:10:31] private access to those lots?

[1:10:35] >> When you look at the county plat, it is

[1:10:38] road.

[1:10:39] >> So we would have to vacate it through a

[1:10:41] cell.

[1:10:43] >> Um and thus we need to go to a public

[1:10:45] hearing for its land use.

[1:10:47] >> Um

[1:10:48] >> then they could put in a road petition

[1:10:50] to put in a road on that vacated

[1:10:52] property.

[1:10:52] >> It would be a driveway. It would be

[1:10:54] public or private property,

[1:10:56] >> private driveway.

[1:10:57] >> It would be, I assume, probably jointly

[1:10:59] owned or one lot would own it and the

[1:11:02] other would be have a an easement on it

[1:11:04] or something like that, right, Bucky?

[1:11:07] >> Yeah. Yeah, there would be it would be a

[1:11:09] shared driveway. Um,

[1:11:13] uh, probably the HOA would actually own

[1:11:15] the property and then we would just

[1:11:17] record needs met across across the

[1:11:20] property for both both lots to access it

[1:11:23] for a driveway.

[1:11:28] » Okay.

[1:11:28] >> And that road uh, that we're talking

[1:11:30] about, the south is a private road as

[1:11:32] well,

[1:11:32] >> right?

[1:11:33] >> It's not a public road.

[1:11:34] >> Yep.

[1:11:37] » Okay. Any other questions?

[1:11:39] >> Really wide driveway. Yeah. Any other

[1:11:42] questions for Ted or uh Bucky?

[1:11:47] » Yeah, there's some procedural things we

[1:11:49] wanted that we're going to need to go

[1:11:51] through because this is, you know,

[1:11:53] resident owned land. We're going to need

[1:11:55] to go through a public hearing because

[1:11:57] it's a land use decision. Um but we

[1:12:00] wanted to kind of get a a feel um you

[1:12:03] know, not a concrete vote here, but a

[1:12:06] kind of a feel. Does this sound like

[1:12:08] something that you guys would like to to

[1:12:09] have us continue to pursue or is there

[1:12:13] no appetite at all from the council uh

[1:12:16] to vacate this land?

[1:12:20] >> Brian, was that your hand?

[1:12:24] » No, but um there I I I don't have a

[1:12:28] problem with looking at this and and and

[1:12:31] moving forward. Uh there is the new

[1:12:35] pardon me for House Bill 535 that passed

[1:12:39] that we're going to have to actually

[1:12:41] look at um to make sure we meet the the

[1:12:44] new state regulations

[1:12:46] on on property sales. This is what I had

[1:12:49] put together and studied um with sale of property. So um definitely something

[1:12:55] we need to make sure that we're

[1:12:57] following those those regulations as we

[1:12:59] go forward.

[1:13:01] and we have been talking with Craig and

[1:13:02] Ethan to make sure we are compliant in

[1:13:04] those statutory requirements as well.

[1:13:07] Thank you.

[1:13:08] >> Yeah, that's just new. So,

[1:13:11] >> hey, anybody else have any concerns,

[1:13:14] thoughts?

[1:13:19] » Okay. Then I say we move in this to keep

[1:13:21] going.

[1:13:21] >> Yeah.

[1:13:22] >> And it'll come back to you, I assume,

[1:13:24] right? It's coming back to the council

[1:13:26] for a final verdict or does that go

[1:13:28] straight to the planning commission and

[1:13:29] they'll make the final verdict? No, it

[1:13:31] will go. Planning commission will have a

[1:13:33] public hearing, city council will have a

[1:13:35] public hearing, then the council will

[1:13:37] make the decision. And this is the same

[1:13:39] also. You talked about South Loper, but

[1:13:41] you didn't mention Eagle Nest.

[1:13:43] >> And we probably need to talk about that

[1:13:45] as well.

[1:13:47] >> Oh, no. Eagle Nest. Yeah, the body

[1:13:50] nest

[1:13:51] >> because that um if you remember as part

[1:13:55] of the development agreement, the city

[1:13:57] council agreed to vacate the bulb on

[1:14:00] Eagle Nest and allow um Summit Creek to

[1:14:06] make that a private road entering a

[1:14:08] portion of their community. Um

[1:14:12] this was kind of decided on, but we will

[1:14:14] have to move forward on that. We've got

[1:14:18] some procedural process we need to

[1:14:19] follow just on finalizing our commitment

[1:14:22] that we made with the Summit Creek

[1:14:24] development agreement.

[1:14:26] >> And for those who are listening online

[1:14:27] and thinking, well, you just gave that

[1:14:29] to the developer. No, in exchange, the

[1:14:33] developer did work for us on Bear

[1:14:36] Hollow. So, they finished Bear Hollow,

[1:14:39] put in all the improvements there, paid

[1:14:41] for the road to be done, and this was

[1:14:44] kind of one of those in exchange

[1:14:47] things that was part of the development

[1:14:49] agreement. So, I just want to clarify.

[1:14:52] >> Yeah. Can I add one little piece to that

[1:14:55] too,

[1:14:56] >> please?

[1:14:57] >> Yeah, they we also finished Rockline

[1:14:59] Ditches and some of the other

[1:15:01] infrastructure on Eagle's Nest and

[1:15:04] Cougar Run. Um there was on plat D plat

[1:15:10] D and plat F there was missing

[1:15:12] infrastructure that we agreed to to uh

[1:15:17] to finish and

[1:15:19] uh that was an exchange for being able

[1:15:21] to vacate that that bulb and and make

[1:15:27] that private.

[1:15:30] >> You know lucky that does away with my

[1:15:32] weekend entertainment.

[1:15:34] turn on my lights and down through that

[1:15:36] bulb.

[1:15:38] >> I bet.

[1:15:40] That's probably some interesting

[1:15:42] stuff.

[1:15:44] >> I think that's a plus.

[1:15:45] >> Yeah. Um Yeah, I'm not I'm not sad to

[1:15:48] see that go away. That's

[1:15:50] >> okay. Any other questions uh concerning

[1:15:53] the the vacation of those two those two

[1:15:56] different areas of the city?

[1:15:59] >> Okay. Then we'll keep continue to

[1:16:00] process or put those through the process

[1:16:02] on that front.

[1:16:03] >> You're still on. Oh, well, we're

[1:16:05] actually we're going to go to number

[1:16:06] eight now. I'll go and jump back to the

[1:16:08] April 2026 financials and check

[1:16:11] dispersements, though. Ted, you might as

[1:16:13] well just stick around. You're you're

[1:16:14] up.

[1:16:17] >> Uh any questions as you guys have had a

[1:16:19] chance to review those uh April

[1:16:21] financials and check dispersements?

[1:16:24] >> Brian, any questions on your front?

[1:16:30] I didn't have

[1:16:31] >> Sorry, I was on another screen looking

[1:16:33] at it. No, I don't have any questions.

[1:16:35] Jody had sent me some stuff earlier. Um,

[1:16:37] everything everything looks good.

[1:16:39] Appreciate it.

[1:16:41] >> Okay.

[1:16:43] Anybody?

[1:16:45] Okay, then. Ted, you're back up. I hope

[1:16:47] you found that other chair comfortable.

[1:16:48] >> Oh, yeah. Well,

[1:16:51] >> okay. We're going to go to number 10.

[1:16:52] Update on the city grants.

[1:16:55] >> Well, I think we've updated everything.

[1:16:56] Uh, you are, you know where we're at on

[1:16:58] that one. and still haven't heard on

[1:17:00] Burgess Owens grant or the uh we should

[1:17:05] hear soon on the um trail grant through

[1:17:10] MAG. Uh they say by June one we'll know

[1:17:13] pretty much know if we're going to get

[1:17:14] funded or not. So next council

[1:17:17] >> and that's just for a study.

[1:17:19] >> No, this is for an actual trail.

[1:17:20] >> Oh, it's for the actual trail. We we

[1:17:22] submitted for 2.9 million funding from

[1:17:25] MAG to build a section of the trail that

[1:17:28] was based on that study we did on the

[1:17:30] roundabout city building.

[1:17:33] >> Yeah.

[1:17:34] >> Okay.

[1:17:35] >> Yeah.

[1:17:36] >> And we're kind of right on the bubble.

[1:17:38] >> Right on the bubble on that.

[1:17:40] >> The way they do is they go through and

[1:17:41] they rank all the projects. The the TAC

[1:17:43] committee, technical advisory committee,

[1:17:45] uh goes through and the staff ranks all

[1:17:47] the projects. We rank all the projects

[1:17:48] as a TAC committee. They combined the

[1:17:50] rankings. There were 44 projects. We

[1:17:53] were like right in the middle. And then

[1:17:55] they just start giving out the money.

[1:17:56] They have so much money to hand out. 110

[1:17:59] millionish. They just start handing out

[1:18:01] money until they run out. And if you're

[1:18:03] high enough on the list, you'll get it.

[1:18:04] If you're not, you won't. We're right

[1:18:06] kind of right in that bubble area.

[1:18:10] >> Okay. Anything else on grants, you guys?

[1:18:13] Okay. Then we will move Oh, don't go

[1:18:15] anywhere, Ted.

[1:18:17] Uh, departmental reports, community

[1:18:19] development, public works, fire

[1:18:21] department.

[1:18:21] >> If we didn't have so many titles, you

[1:18:23] wouldn't have to sit up for so much, but

[1:18:24] you know.

[1:18:26] >> Yeah. Uh, I don't know what more I got

[1:18:27] to report. I think you guys hear from me

[1:18:29] enough. Our fire crew is now uh on

[1:18:32] full-time and available nationally. Uh,

[1:18:34] in the meantime, they are doing

[1:18:36] mitigation work here in the city.

[1:18:37] They've been doing chipping, wheat

[1:18:38] cutting, stuff like that on the fire

[1:18:40] department side.

[1:18:41] >> I noticed they were cutting down the

[1:18:43] grass.

[1:18:44] >> Cutting down grasses. uh then go along

[1:18:46] cutting down tall grasses along our

[1:18:48] rightsways and properties and stuff like

[1:18:49] that.

[1:18:49] >> Definitely need

[1:18:51] >> um

[1:18:53] and chipping wood county wood chippers.

[1:18:57] They'll be done by the end of this week

[1:18:59] with the roadside chipping. They are

[1:19:02] still working. We have an agreement for

[1:19:03] them to work up on our property near the

[1:19:05] water tank and they're up there probably

[1:19:07] back up. They've been up there once.

[1:19:09] They're going to be back up there again,

[1:19:10] I believe, tomorrow. Uh continuing work

[1:19:12] on that property up there. So we'll have

[1:19:14] more mitigation work going on in the

[1:19:16] city. Um

[1:19:18] >> is the chipping are they going to go

[1:19:19] back and finish the piles they missed

[1:19:21] because we are still

[1:19:22] >> how that was the confusing part was

[1:19:24] >> I saw that about the process.

[1:19:26] >> Yeah. So basically what so the county

[1:19:28] crews are going around fairly

[1:19:30] systematically. However, our crew uh got

[1:19:33] a we got a chipper from the state. State

[1:19:35] loaned us a chipper to use. So our crew

[1:19:37] has been going around with the chipper.

[1:19:39] they're kind of catching the small piles

[1:19:41] and then leaving all the big stuff,

[1:19:42] bigger stuff for the county. So, in some

[1:19:45] cases, our crews have been going around

[1:19:46] hitting piles here and there. But, so

[1:19:48] one street, they may have gotten one or

[1:19:50] two piles that are smaller. Then the

[1:19:51] county comes back through and gets all

[1:19:53] the big stuff or but they don't finish.

[1:19:55] The county will go back through uh

[1:19:57] they'll probably be mostly done

[1:19:59] tomorrow. They're going to go back

[1:20:01] through the city one last time and check

[1:20:03] everything, make sure everything's done

[1:20:04] before they leave the city by the end of

[1:20:05] the week. If something is missed,

[1:20:08] >> ours still haven't been touched. That's

[1:20:09] why

[1:20:10] >> they got a couple more days up here.

[1:20:12] They'll go back through, like I said,

[1:20:13] they'll go back through the whole city

[1:20:14] and check everything before they leave.

[1:20:16] Um,

[1:20:17] if something does get missed, we've

[1:20:19] still got the state chipper, so we can

[1:20:20] send our crew down there to get it.

[1:20:22] >> My neighbors were like, "Haha." Cuz all

[1:20:24] of theirs got done and mine didn't. I

[1:20:27] was like, "Okay."

[1:20:28] >> I told you, "Wait a minute. Did you

[1:20:29] figure this out after your neighbors

[1:20:30] were done?"

[1:20:31] >> Yeah. All my neighbors got done just

[1:20:34] >> Did you figure what half your neighbors

[1:20:35] were already chipped?

[1:20:37] >> No.

[1:20:38] >> Been out there the whole time.

[1:20:40] >> Yeah.

[1:20:40] >> My husband did add to it this weekend,

[1:20:42] though. He was like, "Well, they haven't

[1:20:43] done it yet." So, he put more out there.

[1:20:45] >> Well, and we want as much of it out of

[1:20:47] the city as we can. So,

[1:20:49] >> we lost some trees during that storm.

[1:20:51] So,

[1:20:53] >> yeah, they'll go back and check

[1:20:54] everything for anything at the city. And

[1:20:55] if they don't get it, our crews will be

[1:20:56] around and get it. Um,

[1:20:59] and then our road project is likely

[1:21:01] going to kick off in July for phase

[1:21:03] three of the road

[1:21:05] >> that's going to be

[1:21:05] >> phase three of the road project.

[1:21:07] >> Will that is there a section of Woodland

[1:21:09] Hills Drive in that phase three? Isn't

[1:21:11] there one? That'll be interesting. Oh,

[1:21:15] that'll be rough just with all the other

[1:21:16] road blockages. And then we're going to

[1:21:18] add some up here, too.

[1:21:19] >> Well, it's actually a good time because

[1:21:21] Woodland Hills Drive is very buggered

[1:21:23] up. So, we're recommending everyone take

[1:21:26] Summit Creek to Loafer Mountain. Um,

[1:21:29] that's your best way to get around now

[1:21:31] and avoid Wooden Hills Drive. So, while

[1:21:33] Woodland Hills Drive, I mean, while it's

[1:21:35] kind of buggered up, might as well just

[1:21:36] get art done as well

[1:21:39] >> while people are detouring anyway.

[1:21:41] >> Yeah. And at some point when the

[1:21:42] roundabout, we won't even be able to go

[1:21:44] through that, right? At some point this

[1:21:45] summer.

[1:21:46] >> Yeah. We'll have to be going over to

[1:21:47] Summit down to 11 200,

[1:21:49] >> right? They'll shut down everything when

[1:21:51] the roundabout goes in and we they we

[1:21:54] just finished the final design on the

[1:21:56] roundabout. So final design is done on

[1:21:58] that.

[1:21:58] >> Oh.

[1:21:59] >> Um they're starting to put bid documents

[1:22:01] together.

[1:22:01] >> So uh have you seen it? You've seen it?

[1:22:04] >> I have.

[1:22:05] >> And like what's going to go in the

[1:22:07] middle?

[1:22:09] >> No. What are they going to put in the

[1:22:10] middle? Do you know that?

[1:22:11] >> Generally what we have there now

[1:22:13] >> they'll put some landscaping, some

[1:22:14] trees. They'll they'll modify it a bit

[1:22:16] if we want them to. Um,

[1:22:20] >> and we could still put something in if

[1:22:21] we raise the money like the

[1:22:22] >> our flag pole is going to go in. I told

[1:22:25] them we would like to include possibly a

[1:22:26] city sign and they said that's fine. We

[1:22:28] just have to buy it. Um, generally

[1:22:32] they're going to put some trees back,

[1:22:33] some plants,

[1:22:35] >> fighting

[1:22:36] >> our flag poles. In fact, the way they're

[1:22:38] building this, that center is really not

[1:22:40] even going to be they're not even going

[1:22:41] to move the flag pole. That's going to

[1:22:42] stay there.

[1:22:44] They're going to demo around it and hold

[1:22:46] that little piece in place.

[1:22:48] >> And then they'll widen it. Make it

[1:22:49] bigger.

[1:22:50] >> Okay. Definitely need to wider.

[1:22:55] >> We'll cut out those ugly trees. Let's

[1:22:56] get some better looking trees there.

[1:23:00] » Wonderful.

[1:23:01] >> Better quality pines.

[1:23:03] >> Thank you, Ted. Uh Wayne, anything with

[1:23:06] Planning Commission or uh code

[1:23:08] enforcement?

[1:23:09] >> A couple of things.

[1:23:11] >> Nobody breaks the code. Gosh,

[1:23:14] >> it's been quiet.

[1:23:17] >> Summer's coming.

[1:23:18] >> Not a bad thing.

[1:23:19] >> Depends who you talk to.

[1:23:22] >> Sorry.

[1:23:22] >> Um, we've had some problems with some

[1:23:25] builders

[1:23:27] and we've

[1:23:29] >> levied some fines. Should be aware of

[1:23:32] that. We've we appreciate we've gotten

[1:23:35] quite a few citizen complaints about

[1:23:38] builders and we've taken them to heart

[1:23:40] and trying to resolve the issues so they

[1:23:44] don't reoccur and um

[1:23:48] >> issues and fines when

[1:23:49] >> are they noise ordinance starting too

[1:23:51] soon?

[1:23:52] >> Mostly

[1:23:54] >> there is a little bit of a misconception

[1:23:56] on Sunday work.

[1:23:58] Um builders can work on Sunday

[1:24:03] provided the noise level is

[1:24:06] acceptable to the neighbors. Usually

[1:24:09] that means working inside a home,

[1:24:12] >> not heavy equipment and

[1:24:15] >> nail guns and things like that going on

[1:24:17] outside.

[1:24:19] >> So hope the builders would respect that.

[1:24:22] But there is a provision that they can

[1:24:24] work quiet time.

[1:24:27] >> Sure.

[1:24:27] >> Uh on on the property during Sunday. A

[1:24:30] lot of people don't real understand

[1:24:32] that. We uh we canled our planning

[1:24:35] commission meeting this month due to a

[1:24:38] lack of being able to get a quorum

[1:24:40] together. It's

[1:24:42] >> graduation

[1:24:42] >> summertime and everything else. And so

[1:24:45] we plan on uh our planning commission

[1:24:48] meeting in June of uh having a public

[1:24:52] hearing with the general plan that

[1:24:55] you're all aware of that timetable and

[1:24:58] then we'll come back to the council with the results of of that. So

[1:25:05] that's pretty much all that I wanted had

[1:25:07] to share. Any questions?

[1:25:11] Who said public servants could take

[1:25:13] vacations and spend time with their

[1:25:15] family? That allowed.

[1:25:18] >> You're supposed to.

[1:25:20] >> Yeah,

[1:25:20] >> I know.

[1:25:20] >> It's encouraged.

[1:25:22] >> Very good. Aaron, do you have anything?

[1:25:25] >> Yeah.

[1:25:32] » We're making progress on establishing or

[1:25:36] preparing for the June 20th emergency

[1:25:40] fire drill.

[1:25:41] Um, we've recently, I think, come to an

[1:25:43] agreement. Question from wrong, TED,

[1:25:46] that we're going to also partner with

[1:25:48] the Red Cross. Okay, we good with that.

[1:25:50] Clear that?

[1:25:52] >> Answer is yes. Um, we just had to make

[1:25:54] sure that the Red Cross, they have a

[1:25:56] fire mitigation program that they're

[1:25:58] trying to promote to citizens. And we

[1:26:01] just had to make sure that their

[1:26:02] recommendations coincided with what we

[1:26:04] were already doing mitigation wise. So,

[1:26:07] we're going to be able to make those uh

[1:26:08] corrections or synchronize them together

[1:26:10] better. But this this Red Cross is going

[1:26:13] to um provide a free backpack like a

[1:26:18] bugout backpack with some initial

[1:26:22] contributions for it for each family

[1:26:24] that uh participates with a fire

[1:26:27] mitigation

[1:26:29] analysis of their home.

[1:26:32] >> Internal

[1:26:32] >> what?

[1:26:33] >> Internal as well as external. Right.

[1:26:35] >> They do. They're they're going to

[1:26:36] provide external. Let me back up. We are

[1:26:39] going to be the ones that provide the

[1:26:40] volunteers to help do the external one.

[1:26:42] They have volunteers to do the internal

[1:26:44] one. The internal one that they're

[1:26:45] doing, they're going to get free fire

[1:26:48] alarms to each residents that needs it.

[1:26:51] So, they're going to check their

[1:26:52] batteries. They're going to verify if

[1:26:53] they have proper coverage, and they'll

[1:26:55] be able to be given for free at no cost

[1:26:58] to the resident uh those alarms as well

[1:27:01] as the backpack if they do the external

[1:27:02] one. So, it's pretty cool. Um on the

[1:27:05] 20th in the morning, we are we are

[1:27:07] inviting the block captains that are are

[1:27:10] assigned that position in the community

[1:27:12] to come into the city center here first

[1:27:14] to um get some initial training and

[1:27:17] that's where they're going to be the

[1:27:18] ones asked to do the walkarounds with

[1:27:21] the coaching from the Red Cross. Okay,

[1:27:24] >> great. Um, yeah. And then we're going to

[1:27:27] do the actual

[1:27:29] test at 10 o'clock.

[1:27:32] And the county has made available to us

[1:27:34] the MAC um the MAC truck is.

[1:27:38] >> This is 45 ft emergency

[1:27:41] operations center facility. So, we're

[1:27:44] going to start the EOC here at 8:30 9:00

[1:27:49] and then halfway through the test, we're

[1:27:52] going to get evacuated because the fire

[1:27:53] is coming towards this building.

[1:27:55] And then we're going to evacuate to the

[1:27:56] Mac truck and finish our operations

[1:27:58] there. So that'll give us a little bit

[1:28:01] experience of how fast we can

[1:28:03] transition.

[1:28:06] >> Any other questions?

[1:28:08] >> That's great.

[1:28:08] >> Okay. So J, I'm going to try and get you

[1:28:11] some material to put into our newsletter

[1:28:13] coming up as far as what families can do

[1:28:14] to prepare for it, such as

[1:28:16] >> deadline is before the first.

[1:28:19] >> As long as it's not tomorrow, good.

[1:28:22] I'll get it to you. I I

[1:28:25] >> it's I'm going to have to work on it on

[1:28:27] the weekend. So if

[1:28:28] >> get to you this week ASAP.

[1:28:30] >> Yeah, I this week is toast already. So

[1:28:33] this weekend I will work on the

[1:28:34] newsletter.

[1:28:36] >> I will work on my contribution for you.

[1:28:39] >> Ted Wayne,

[1:28:41] >> you got mine already?

[1:28:42] >> Oh, I got yours. Okay,

[1:28:44] >> you got mine, right?

[1:28:45] >> Not yours. It was good. I read it.

[1:28:47] >> Way to go, Rude.

[1:28:48] >> Okay.

[1:28:50] >> Somebody that pulls people over. Anybody

[1:28:53] got any questions?

[1:28:56] >> Um, wonderful. I we I was at the

[1:28:59] emergency manager meeting today for the

[1:29:01] county.

[1:29:02] >> Um, he was talking about the wildfire.

[1:29:04] It was the county fire manager

[1:29:07] basically said uh William Hills is going

[1:29:09] to go up and smoke.

[1:29:11] He was kidding though. But uh

[1:29:14] >> number 10

[1:29:15] >> he's well yeah he's grateful that we're

[1:29:17] doing mitigation efforts like we have

[1:29:18] been and they you know they're glad they

[1:29:20] could buy some resources to us as well.

[1:29:22] So it was a good good talk goodation.

[1:29:26] >> Thank you sir.

[1:29:27] >> Hey

[1:29:29] okay uh mayor and city council reports.

[1:29:31] Um again five minutes or less. Um for

[1:29:36] personnel you know our staff has been

[1:29:39] doing some fabulous work. Um, like we've

[1:29:42] already talked about all the water line

[1:29:44] issues that all seem to happen, you

[1:29:46] know, when they're not, you know, on the

[1:29:48] clock here. They never break in the

[1:29:51] morning and take up his day. It always

[1:29:53] is after, but they've done a great job

[1:29:55] there. Um, our waterline contractors are

[1:29:58] fabulous to work with. Um, as well, um,

[1:30:02] as for a legal update, uh, nothing for

[1:30:04] today. So, Council Member Hutchings

[1:30:07] from Planning Commission.

[1:30:09] >> As Wayne mentioned, uh, planning

[1:30:11] commission was cancelled, so I don't

[1:30:13] have anything to report.

[1:30:16] >> Wonderful. Uh, Council Member Jones,

[1:30:17] public safety. Nothing to report.

[1:30:21] >> Uh, okay. Council member Lunt, parks,

[1:30:24] trails, recreation, finance, events, and

[1:30:26] communication.

[1:30:28] >> Yeah. Um, PTR, we met and just mostly

[1:30:32] talked about the pickle ball grant that

[1:30:34] came through. Um, PTR did contribute to

[1:30:38] help. I mean, Ted did l my share of the

[1:30:41] work, but PTR did help with that and

[1:30:42] supported with that and so we're

[1:30:44] grateful for that. And, um, they're just

[1:30:47] making a priority list. We've been

[1:30:48] working on a priority list or things we

[1:30:50] want to see in the parks and trails so

[1:30:52] we know what to work on. Like we'd

[1:30:54] really like to have a restroom up there.

[1:30:56] the ADA thing has always been at the top

[1:30:58] of the list. Um, which now it sounds

[1:31:00] like part of that will be taken care of.

[1:31:01] So, that's awesome. But, um, one of the

[1:31:04] things we also want is we kind of want

[1:31:06] to make a little amphitheater on the

[1:31:07] south side of the pavilion. You have

[1:31:09] that flat area where we always like we

[1:31:10] show the movie and stuff like that. We'd

[1:31:12] like to have a little maybe like a

[1:31:14] cement pad right there and then in the

[1:31:16] grass have an amphitheater. So, that's something that we're going to be

[1:31:21] working on and a priority. Um,

[1:31:25] let's see. So, finance committee, we

[1:31:28] just went over budget numbers and then

[1:31:30] you met, so I have a report there.

[1:31:33] Newsletter, just a reminder for articles

[1:31:36] that I don't have yet that I need those.

[1:31:38] And then America 250,

[1:31:41] um, that is coming up. So, July 5th, on

[1:31:46] Sunday, July 5th, we will be having a

[1:31:50] um, what do you call it? the park.

[1:31:52] >> Pot luck.

[1:31:53] >> Potluck in the park. And um we are

[1:31:58] hoping that the city can

[1:32:01] fire department cook some hot dogs.

[1:32:05] >> When?

[1:32:06] >> July 5th.

[1:32:07] >> Sunday, July 5th.

[1:32:10] >> Mhm.

[1:32:11] >> The whole entire state is doing a

[1:32:13] potluck.

[1:32:14] >> 10:30 to 2:30.

[1:32:17] >> Sweet.

[1:32:19] >> 6 o'clock.

[1:32:21] >> Huh. I'll have to be there at 10:30

[1:32:23] prep. Okay.

[1:32:27] >> Um and then um we have a we have a

[1:32:30] committee and they're excited. They're

[1:32:31] kind of gung-ho on it and um we're

[1:32:34] hoping to do homemade root beer and have

[1:32:37] everyone bring

[1:32:39] >> a side dish

[1:32:40] >> to go with it. And then we had thought

[1:32:43] about we thought about renting chairs

[1:32:45] and tables, but we decided against that.

[1:32:46] We're going to use what tables and

[1:32:48] chairs we have at the city, but then

[1:32:50] we're also going to tell people to bring

[1:32:51] their camp chairs and they can also

[1:32:54] bring their pop-ups if they want and

[1:32:56] make like little family centers in the

[1:32:59] grass. They can bring their pop-ups and

[1:33:00] their camp chairs and their blankets and

[1:33:02] kind of make their little area. Um, so

[1:33:05] we wanted to just make it less

[1:33:08] commercial and more ground.

[1:33:10] >> I think that if we want to get our older

[1:33:12] residents, we're going to need to have

[1:33:13] some

[1:33:14] >> That's why we're going to have those.

[1:33:16] We're going to bring all of ours from

[1:33:17] the city up there.

[1:33:18] >> All of ours from the city that

[1:33:19] >> Yes, ma'am.

[1:33:21] >> But uh and between that and the

[1:33:24] pavilion, the older citizens will have

[1:33:26] plenty of seating. Um but then the

[1:33:29] families can make their own areas.

[1:33:32] And then just a few little games, not a

[1:33:35] whole lot. Oh, and then Dennis Lizby is

[1:33:37] getting music together. So, um he has a

[1:33:41] little band. Rick Prey has a group. He's

[1:33:44] going to see if Hillary Weeks will do a

[1:33:45] few numbers. He's going to see several

[1:33:48] youth artists and they're all just going

[1:33:49] to take turns. And then one of the

[1:33:51] things that I kind of wanted um was some

[1:33:54] patriotic songs and a sing along so that

[1:33:56] the citizens can sing along on some of

[1:33:58] like the you know some of the Star

[1:34:00] Spangled Banner, some of those. So

[1:34:03] anyway, trying to keep it simple but

[1:34:05] also make it worth worthwhile for people

[1:34:08] to come. And um I got the information to

[1:34:11] President Aett and um he's supporting it

[1:34:15] last I heard and

[1:34:17] >> the church overall has has already said

[1:34:19] that they're supporting it. So

[1:34:20] >> he he reached out for details and stuff.

[1:34:22] So we got those to him and I'm going to

[1:34:24] ask Dan Roden kind of has a double duty.

[1:34:27] So when we get the information finalized

[1:34:29] I'm going to have him send it out get it

[1:34:31] sent out to all the wards and bishops

[1:34:34] and that way um we can make sure that

[1:34:36] all the wards support it.

[1:34:38] >> Yeah. and we'll do a sign up genius just

[1:34:41] to kind of remind people for the side

[1:34:42] dishes, but really people can still just

[1:34:44] show up and bring whatever they want.

[1:34:45] But it's just to kind of help get the

[1:34:47] ball rolling and encourage people to

[1:34:49] sign up for stuff and commit. So, okay,

[1:34:52] that was more than five minutes. I'm

[1:34:53] sorry.

[1:34:54] >> Well, we only gave you all the

[1:34:56] responsibility. So, Council Member

[1:34:58] Malovich,

[1:34:59] >> um, no report other than what we've

[1:35:01] already talked about that the strategic

[1:35:04] plan committee will come on the 23rd at

[1:35:06] 6 p.m. and give us a presentation and by

[1:35:10] then they probably will have um a little

[1:35:13] bit more details on what we talked about

[1:35:16] earlier.

[1:35:17] >> Wonderful. Okay, Council Member Roden,

[1:35:20] no nothing. Just been helping Janet on

[1:35:22] the 250 and obviously sending you some

[1:35:24] ideas. And so I know that you had asked

[1:35:26] out to the community to share their

[1:35:29] feedback. I'm not sure if you gave them

[1:35:31] away specifically like an email address.

[1:35:33] >> That is on tomorrow's agenda.

[1:35:35] >> Okay. So I don't know if it would be

[1:35:38] better to receive a bunch of different

[1:35:40] ones and then I can take inspiration

[1:35:43] from those and I I just don't know how

[1:35:44] we would do if we receive say 30 how we

[1:35:48] would do some sort of vote to determine

[1:35:50] which one we'd want to do. But we could

[1:35:52] take those as inspiration for whatever

[1:35:54] we do.

[1:35:55] >> I think it's a great idea.

[1:35:56] >> Does that work?

[1:35:56] >> Let's you and I chat tomorrow also to

[1:35:58] make sure I finalize the verbiage and

[1:36:00] everything and then I'll send it out.

[1:36:02] >> You know, and does everyone else know

[1:36:04] what they're talking about for the

[1:36:05] mailbox?

[1:36:06] >> They're talking about this temporary

[1:36:07] container mailboxes outside of the city

[1:36:10] center currently. It looks like, you

[1:36:12] know, Maris dropped off one of their

[1:36:14] junkers. Um, so what we want to do is is

[1:36:18] see if we can't paint it um in some

[1:36:22] capacity that brings in a little bit

[1:36:24] more of the patriotism and makes it not

[1:36:26] look like a a Maris junker. So

[1:36:29] >> you sent the video out so some people

[1:36:31] may have seen that.

[1:36:32] >> Correct. I did speak to it in my uh

[1:36:35] update on you know here. That's why I

[1:36:37] actually did that video out there um

[1:36:39] this time. Um, but I'll send out more

[1:36:42] information to more specific just to

[1:36:44] that.

[1:36:45] >> Okay.

[1:36:46] Wonderful. Any items for an

[1:36:48] upcoming city council meeting?

[1:36:50] >> Mayor.

[1:36:50] >> Yes.

[1:36:53] >> A thought comes to mind with the

[1:36:56] activity on the 5th.

[1:36:58] >> Possibly putting a program together, a

[1:37:01] printed program. Included in that

[1:37:06] can be collected is a list of our

[1:37:09] relatives in the city who have given

[1:37:12] their lives

[1:37:14] uh for in times of war and and otherwise

[1:37:19] to kind of recognize them uh in a

[1:37:23] program and let's list their names down

[1:37:25] >> those who have served.

[1:37:26] >> It's just a thought.

[1:37:28] >> I'd love to see even just veterans as

[1:37:29] well. That

[1:37:30] >> I'd love that. I my only worry, you

[1:37:33] know, my only worry is the worry that we

[1:37:35] always have leave forgetting somebody

[1:37:37] and leaving somebody out.

[1:37:39] >> I was talking um well and if you ask for

[1:37:41] people's names though, you know, give us

[1:37:44] the names of any veterans that were not

[1:37:46] only who live in our city but your

[1:37:48] family because then it gives it on to

[1:37:50] the person to put it in, not not you

[1:37:53] collecting them. The other thing I heard

[1:37:55] another city doing is they're going to

[1:37:56] have a contest on patriotic

[1:38:00] um desserts contest and I thought that

[1:38:02] might be a fun one for us too. Um

[1:38:05] whether it's you know a pies or Dutch

[1:38:07] oven or something people could make it a

[1:38:10] patriot what they deem as patriotic. We

[1:38:12] just Yes. I think that would be really

[1:38:14] fun. Um my subcommittee chairs we we

[1:38:18] talked about it. We don't want to make

[1:38:20] it too much work. It's a Sunday. We

[1:38:23] don't want to make it where, oh, you've

[1:38:25] got to bring this and you've got to

[1:38:26] bring this and you got to do this. We

[1:38:28] just want them to make a side dish and

[1:38:30] come and relax and enjoy the program and

[1:38:33] feel the patriotism. So, we don't want

[1:38:36] to put too much on people because

[1:38:38] >> we thought about like pie eating

[1:38:39] contests and other pie baking contests

[1:38:42] and

[1:38:43] >> um I just I'm more interested that

[1:38:45] people will not find a reason to not

[1:38:47] come. I think I just wanted to make it

[1:38:50] easy and simple. But note it.

[1:38:54] >> I mean all great ideas.

[1:38:55] >> Some people who are bakers though it is

[1:38:57] simple to bring something.

[1:38:58] >> So we have you just we just have to you

[1:39:00] know maybe balance that for the people

[1:39:02] who this is a big deal for them to have

[1:39:05] it as a as an event more and they love

[1:39:09] to bake. It might be their way to

[1:39:10] showcase and their own talents to our

[1:39:13] community. Um but at the same time bring

[1:39:17] what you want.

[1:39:17] >> Yeah.

[1:39:18] >> But

[1:39:19] >> maybe maybe give those who want to do

[1:39:21] that an opportunity.

[1:39:23] >> So Shannon Gilbert is spearheading.

[1:39:26] She's the person on the ground doing all

[1:39:28] of this. So and she also wants to keep

[1:39:31] it simple

[1:39:32] >> and I'll need

[1:39:33] >> Yeah.

[1:39:34] >> all baked goods to come through my home

[1:39:36] first before

[1:39:38] >> So none of them will arrive.

[1:39:40] >> So none of them will

[1:39:41] >> poison control. I will I will be the

[1:39:43] sole vote.

[1:39:44] >> Wonderful. Okay. Uh Jody, could we

[1:39:48] actually add to the next council agenda?

[1:39:50] >> Um America 250.

[1:39:52] >> We'll keep talking about it and

[1:39:54] updating. Yep.

[1:39:55] >> Okay.

[1:39:56] >> Wonderful. Okay. Uh if there's nothing

[1:39:58] else for upcoming

[1:40:00] uh council meetings then we will uh

[1:40:03] close the work session um and we will

[1:40:06] take uh

[1:40:09] 3 minute break and we will resume again

[1:40:13] at 7:45.

[1:40:15] >> Does that work for everybody?

[1:40:16] >> It's very specific. Yes minute break.

[1:40:19] >> I just round to the nearest five.

[1:40:23] So,

[1:40:24] >> okay.

[1:40:29] » Yeah.

[1:40:29] >> Oh, it's just like

[1:40:30] >> wonderful.

[1:40:32] >> Okay.

[1:40:34] Well, I'd like to call um this council

[1:40:36] meeting to order. Um and we are going to

[1:40:39] start with an invocation from council

[1:40:41] member John's and a pledge of allegiance

[1:40:43] from council member Ron.

[1:40:48] We're your father in heaven. We're

[1:40:49] grateful to be able to meet together

[1:40:51] today as a city and discuss the needs of

[1:40:54] the city and the ways we can uh improve

[1:40:58] the quality of life that we all enjoy

[1:40:59] here. We ask that thou will bless us and

[1:41:02] guide us today as we make decisions that

[1:41:05] we can be guided by thy thy spirit. And

[1:41:09] we ask for these things in the name of

[1:41:11] Jesus Christ. Amen.

[1:41:12] >> Amen. All rise, please.

[1:41:17] Repeat after me.

[1:41:19] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[1:41:22] United States of America and to the

[1:41:25] republic for which it stands. One nation

[1:41:28] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:41:32] justice for all.

[1:41:37] » Well, thank you both.

[1:41:39] Um, I'd like to open uh the public

[1:41:42] comment period. Um, comments are to be

[1:41:44] limited to 2 minutes or less if

[1:41:46] possible. Um, and only in-person

[1:41:49] comments will be included as part of the

[1:41:50] official record,

[1:41:53] >> please.

[1:41:55] >> You want me to sit, I guess?

[1:41:57] >> Yep. And if you could just state your

[1:41:58] name for the record, that'd be great.

[1:42:00] >> Okay. So, I'm David Spencer. Uh, I live

[1:42:03] in ORM and I'm running for county

[1:42:04] commissioner CB. Um, I was on the ORM

[1:42:08] city council for 12 years. So, I just

[1:42:10] got off in December. Um, I got into

[1:42:13] politics to save the baseball fields in

[1:42:15] Oral and uh, 12 years later, they're

[1:42:17] still there. So, at least I accomplished

[1:42:19] something in my time on the council.

[1:42:21] But, um, the the main reason uh, I'm

[1:42:25] running for county commissioner is in

[1:42:27] those 12 years, not once did a county

[1:42:30] commissioner come to ORM and say, "What

[1:42:32] are your needs? How can we help you?"

[1:42:34] And that needs to change because I feel

[1:42:36] that Utah County is fractured. We're

[1:42:38] doing our own little thing. And if we

[1:42:40] get all on the same page, we'll be able

[1:42:42] to go to the legislature and ask for

[1:42:44] money that's going to Davis County

[1:42:46] because that's where the state

[1:42:47] leadership is. We need money in Utah

[1:42:49] County to help the cities.

[1:42:52] But the the main thing is if we come

[1:42:56] together, I want to meet like with every

[1:42:58] city, mayor, council, and citizens to

[1:43:00] say how can we help because a lot of

[1:43:02] people don't know what the county even

[1:43:04] does, right? But we have the the great

[1:43:06] sheriff and and sheriff's department and

[1:43:08] the the jail, but what are they doing

[1:43:10] for the cities? And that's what I want

[1:43:12] to change. So, in my service of uh on

[1:43:15] the city council, I love serving people.

[1:43:16] I love what people call me. I've heard

[1:43:19] that commissioners aren't even

[1:43:20] accessible. They can't even get be

[1:43:22] reached. You have to leave them a

[1:43:23] message. You need to be accessible.

[1:43:25] That's why I have my phone all the time

[1:43:27] and I did that as a city council member.

[1:43:30] Um, I was out in Janola last week and

[1:43:33] it's interesting how the gravel pits are

[1:43:35] really hurting the tart cherries and and that agriculture. So, we need to be

[1:43:40] very careful even though it's state

[1:43:41] that's mandated that we have to permit

[1:43:43] everything. But I just want to represent

[1:43:45] and I just wanted to come out and say

[1:43:47] I'm here and uh primary, you know,

[1:43:50] primaries are coming up really soon.

[1:43:51] June 2nd, I think the ballots are coming

[1:43:53] out, but I've got a brochure that I'll

[1:43:55] leave with the city reporter. And uh

[1:43:59] >> I have a quick question for you, David.

[1:44:00] Yes, ma'am.

[1:44:01] >> So, um what is your feeling on the

[1:44:03] budget with uh with the county sheriff?

[1:44:05] Um we we know it takes a a lot of money

[1:44:09] to run the sheriff, the jail, the um

[1:44:11] attorney general's office, I mean the

[1:44:12] county attorney's office, etc. We do

[1:44:15] contract with the sheriff's office, so

[1:44:18] for law enforcement. So, um, that budget

[1:44:20] is important to us. So, I want to know

[1:44:22] what you

[1:44:22] >> I agree 100%. So, in ORM, I I have the

[1:44:25] fraternal order police, uh, endorsement

[1:44:27] and also the the fire union in ORM

[1:44:29] because that is your number one budget

[1:44:32] item and that is your number one

[1:44:34] priority. You need to keep your citizens

[1:44:36] safe. Bottom line and you know, you can

[1:44:40] cut the fat, but the main thing you have

[1:44:42] to make sure that you keep your citizens

[1:44:44] safe and that's my bottom line. So, um,

[1:44:48] do I think, uh, in ORM we cut the fat

[1:44:51] and we save 1.7 million. Do I think

[1:44:53] there's fat in the county? Yes, I do.

[1:44:56] But we need to make sure that we do not

[1:44:58] go for from the sheriff and the jail. I

[1:45:01] don't know 100% about the jail and how,

[1:45:02] but I know it's very expensive because

[1:45:05] police and fire are normally the number

[1:45:06] one budget item. So that is a priority

[1:45:08] and that's why I do have the endorsement

[1:45:11] for our local,

[1:45:13] you know, fire and police because Chief

[1:45:16] Robertson and and Sanderson, they they

[1:45:18] support me 100%. I just I was at the

[1:45:20] Sarah last night and they honored our

[1:45:22] firemen and I went up and I shook all

[1:45:24] their hands cuz they're all my friends,

[1:45:25] right? I visit them because people don't

[1:45:28] realize, but they put their life on the

[1:45:30] line every day and they might not come

[1:45:33] home because they're protecting us and

[1:45:35] that my dad fought in Vietnam. So, I'm that's in my DNA and I just I

[1:45:40] appreciate what they do cuz I've been on

[1:45:42] ride alongs and stuff and I don't see

[1:45:43] how they do it, but I'm glad that

[1:45:45] somebody wants to do that um with the police and the fire, but I I take my

[1:45:49] hats off to them because they're you

[1:45:52] have to have you know, you're just a

[1:45:53] great individual if you're well if

[1:45:54] you're able to do that. But so, that's

[1:45:56] hopefully that answered your question,

[1:45:57] but I will I would not cut the sheriff

[1:45:59] and the and we need to make sure we we

[1:46:02] are efficient and that's the I mean,

[1:46:04] everybody's budget, you need to find

[1:46:06] efficiencies cuz money doesn't grow on

[1:46:08] trees. And I don't believe in if the

[1:46:10] county's raising taxes, that hurts the

[1:46:12] cities cuz then if you have to do a

[1:46:14] bond, I think you just had a board

[1:46:16] session talking about bonding. That

[1:46:18] hurts because then the citizens are

[1:46:20] feeling the pain, right? So, we just

[1:46:21] need to be careful. But I appreciate

[1:46:23] your time. I probably went over two

[1:46:24] minutes, but she did ask me the

[1:46:26] question, but it was a good question.

[1:46:28] >> You're good. Hey, thank you so much.

[1:46:30] leave this report if you want it, but

[1:46:31] I've got a plan. There's six or seven to

[1:46:33] do.

[1:46:34] >> Is contact information on there for any

[1:46:35] of them to be able to receive

[1:46:37] >> right there. Phone number and email, so

[1:46:38] I always have my phone.

[1:46:40] >> Okay. Thank you, sir.

[1:46:41] >> Thank you.

[1:46:42] >> Uh Sherry,

[1:46:43] >> hi. I am not running for political

[1:46:46] office and I don't want to go to jail,

[1:46:50] >> but I do have a comment about the

[1:46:52] roundabout.

[1:46:53] Is there any way in working with the

[1:46:56] county that

[1:46:58] uh the funding that they would be

[1:47:00] putting into the roundabout, they just

[1:47:02] give to the city? And we put in what we

[1:47:07] feel the citizens and

[1:47:10] would like to see in conjunction with

[1:47:13] what some or um Three Bridges is going

[1:47:17] to do to kind of keep all the artistic

[1:47:21] genre the same.

[1:47:23] And I do have a request in my comment

[1:47:27] that it's my understanding that this the

[1:47:32] county owns that obnoxious very tall

[1:47:35] light that is left on all night long

[1:47:38] down there by the mailboxes. Is that

[1:47:41] going to be removed?

[1:47:46] Um I don't

[1:47:50] relocate probably but um because they

[1:47:53] have to kind of reconfigure that site

[1:47:55] there

[1:47:56] >> right

[1:47:57] >> I don't know what I haven't looked at

[1:47:59] the plan close enough to see what that

[1:48:00] light other than I think it says

[1:48:02] possibly relocate it

[1:48:04] >> um but I don't know for sure

[1:48:07] >> okay

[1:48:08] >> have to look at the plan a little closer

[1:48:10] on that one

[1:48:11] >> just be nice if they'd give us the money

[1:48:13] of what they would spend on trees and

[1:48:15] whatever else you guys were talking

[1:48:17] about in the work session and then you

[1:48:21] know we can put in what we want to put

[1:48:23] in and use that money. So that's my

[1:48:26] comment. Thank you.

[1:48:28] >> Thank you.

[1:48:30] Okay.

[1:48:32] Doesn't look like I have anybody here.

[1:48:33] Is there anybody else? Diana or Dorl?

[1:48:39] » You guys are doing great.

[1:48:42] >> Thank you. Thank you, Noral. Anything

[1:48:45] from you?

[1:48:48] >> I didn't know how to mute unmute. Uh,

[1:48:50] no. I'm just uh wanting to step in and

[1:48:52] listen. I apologize for being late.

[1:48:55] Nothing to say, Mayor.

[1:48:57] >> We'll we'll take you in any form we can

[1:48:59] get you, brother.

[1:49:01] Okay, then I will close the public

[1:49:02] comment and we're going to move on to

[1:49:05] our business and discussion. Um, a

[1:49:08] motion for the mayor to sign the Utah

[1:49:11] wildland fire memorandum of

[1:49:13] understanding between the Utah Division

[1:49:15] of Forestry, Fire, and State Land, and

[1:49:18] Woodland Hills.

[1:49:21] >> I'll make a motion.

[1:49:23] >> Uh, okay. Council member Hutchkins with

[1:49:25] the motion.

[1:49:25] >> Second.

[1:49:26] >> Council member Malovich with a second.

[1:49:28] Um, Council Member Lund,

[1:49:31] >> yes.

[1:49:31] >> Council member Rhoden,

[1:49:32] >> yes. Council member Hutchkins.

[1:49:35] >> Yes.

[1:49:36] >> Council member Johns,

[1:49:37] >> yes.

[1:49:38] >> Council member Malovich,

[1:49:39] >> yes.

[1:49:40] >> Okay, that motion passes. Um, and a

[1:49:43] motion for the mayor to sign the CPR

[1:49:45] contract with for a uh for AAP,

[1:49:49] uh, the pickle bar pickle ball, not the

[1:49:52] pickle bar, the pickle ball courts.

[1:49:54] >> I'll make a motion.

[1:49:56] >> Okay. Council member L with the motion.

[1:49:58] Council member John's with the second.

[1:50:00] Did I hear that right? our our elite

[1:50:03] pickle ball team is making a motion

[1:50:05] here.

[1:50:06] >> Council member Jones,

[1:50:08] >> yes.

[1:50:08] >> Council member Hutchkins,

[1:50:10] >> yes.

[1:50:11] >> Council member Lent,

[1:50:12] >> yes.

[1:50:13] >> Council member Rhoden,

[1:50:14] >> yes.

[1:50:14] >> Council member Malovich,

[1:50:15] >> yes.

[1:50:16] >> Got to keep you guys on your toes, you

[1:50:18] know,

[1:50:18] >> before they change their mind.

[1:50:20] >> Exactly. Um, okay. Approval of the

[1:50:24] April 2026 financials and check

[1:50:27] dispersements.

[1:50:29] Motion.

[1:50:30] >> Council member Johns with the motion.

[1:50:32] >> I'll second.

[1:50:32] >> Council member Rooden with the second.

[1:50:34] Council member Johns.

[1:50:36] >> Yes.

[1:50:37] >> Council member Lunt.

[1:50:38] >> Yes.

[1:50:38] >> Council member Hutchings.

[1:50:40] >> Yes.

[1:50:41] >> Council member Malovich.

[1:50:42] >> Yes.

[1:50:43] >> Council member Rhoden.

[1:50:44] >> Yes.

[1:50:45] >> Okay. That motion passes as well. Uh

[1:50:47] resolution 2026-38

[1:50:51] adopting the 2026 2027 fiscal year

[1:50:55] budget. I know we have a few discussion

[1:50:57] questions.

[1:50:59] Uh yeah, I I wasn't able to be part of

[1:51:02] kind of the final discussions last

[1:51:03] council meeting, but uh a couple things

[1:51:06] that came up. We're we're increasing

[1:51:08] mayor and council wages by about 10K for

[1:51:11] this upcoming year.

[1:51:12] >> Mhm.

[1:51:13] >> Um so I just wanted to see what the

[1:51:15] final conversations were about that.

[1:51:19] >> Uh yes. So that total number would be uh

[1:51:22] 25,200.

[1:51:24] >> Okay.

[1:51:27] So that roughly is around

[1:51:30] what is that 18 - 25 so 7,000

[1:51:35] >> 7,000ish.

[1:51:41] » Yeah. Um

[1:51:42] >> none of us said a whole lot. Yeah, I was

[1:51:44] going to say

[1:51:45] >> none of us said a whole lot about it. We

[1:51:48] >> in my mind it's it's still not much. Um

[1:51:52] it's just more like a little stipen to

[1:51:54] cover you know your expenses. none of us

[1:51:57] are doing it for that tiny little

[1:51:58] paycheck. And but I do think for future

[1:52:02] candidates, I think it's helpful

[1:52:04] because,

[1:52:06] you know, if if you're spending money

[1:52:09] out of your own family's coffers to

[1:52:11] serve and do this job, um that may limit

[1:52:15] a lot of people, good people who um

[1:52:17] could run and fill the seat. And I feel

[1:52:21] like there, you know, our expenses

[1:52:22] should be covered. And so I don't think

[1:52:25] any of us oppose it, but none of us are

[1:52:26] also none of us are like spearheading it

[1:52:29] or

[1:52:29] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:52:30] >> Well, I spoke with a former council

[1:52:32] member who was on the council, I believe

[1:52:36] four or five mayors ago. Um, and the

[1:52:40] wages are the same. Um, so I think there

[1:52:43] is a degree of it it should increase

[1:52:48] with just inflation if nothing else. Um,

[1:52:52] but also like I agree with what Janet

[1:52:54] said. Um, we need to to make sure it's something to at least try and cover

[1:53:02] the costs. You know, it barely covers

[1:53:04] campaigning costs, but

[1:53:05] >> it's still not something that's going to

[1:53:07] attract people to run. They're not going

[1:53:09] to run because of this stipen. Like,

[1:53:12] nobody's going to do that, right? It's

[1:53:14] But we also don't want good people to

[1:53:17] not run because they can't afford you

[1:53:21] know, to pay for things out of their own

[1:53:22] pocket to be able to serve. So that's my standing on it.

[1:53:26] >> Well, I think we are the lowest in the

[1:53:28] state.

[1:53:30] I think it

[1:53:30] >> not if you listen to some of our

[1:53:31] citizens.

[1:53:33] >> If you look at it from the standpoint of

[1:53:35] you know our kind of size because if you

[1:53:38] look at you know go or some of these are

[1:53:42] much smaller towns but I think when it

[1:53:45] comes to cities we are at the bottom if

[1:53:48] not

[1:53:48] >> we still have to travel to all the same

[1:53:51] meetings.

[1:53:52] >> Yes.

[1:53:52] >> Still have to pay the same gas.

[1:53:54] >> What does your gas bill feel like right

[1:53:56] now? Mhm. It's a lot.

[1:53:58] >> Council member John's, I do want to note

[1:54:00] that there will be a public hearing

[1:54:03] scheduled for um June 9th where that the

[1:54:08] public can comment on the compensation

[1:54:10] as well.

[1:54:11] >> Okay. So, so that doesn't

[1:54:13] >> wages will be in that public hearing.

[1:54:15] >> Okay, that's good. So, so it's not like

[1:54:17] this automatically becomes a you know a

[1:54:20] pool to pull from. That's that's the big

[1:54:22] thing is I don't want it to seem like a

[1:54:25] self-serving

[1:54:27] approval. You know what I mean? So,

[1:54:29] >> right. People if they want to think that

[1:54:31] they still will.

[1:54:31] >> Yeah, they will. And and I'm okay with

[1:54:33] that. I just like I said, I just wanted

[1:54:36] to know. I mean, I'm just erring stuff

[1:54:38] out because it's just what I do. So,

[1:54:40] >> no, no, I think it's good and and it it

[1:54:43] for people that are listening, it's good

[1:54:44] to

[1:54:45] >> to be stated.

[1:54:48] >> Um, my other Steve

[1:54:50] >> Yeah. Sorry. I I agree with you. Um the

[1:54:53] one thing I'd like to point out is I I

[1:54:56] see the mayor's role uh becoming more

[1:54:59] and more every year as I've sat through

[1:55:02] council and as I became a council

[1:55:04] member, I do see the mayor's role in the

[1:55:06] executive side um needing an increase

[1:55:10] just because of the amount of time that

[1:55:11] they're putting in. And I and I get that

[1:55:13] as on the council are as well. I'm I'm

[1:55:16] actually against raising the council

[1:55:18] wages. Um, but I'm not going to stop a

[1:55:21] budget because of that because I I agree

[1:55:23] with everything else in the budget. And

[1:55:25] I think it's a a give and take type of

[1:55:27] thing. But I agree with the other raises

[1:55:31] that are are put in. And and again,

[1:55:33] yeah, I know that there's going to be a public hearing. Um, but uh I do want

[1:55:38] to point out that that I don't agree.

[1:55:41] Um, I think that the council as as a

[1:55:44] whole, I think we are better off having

[1:55:48] the people who want to do it. Um, I

[1:55:51] don't think that there should be a a a a

[1:55:54] money incentive there. I think the mayor

[1:55:56] actually does quite a bit. Um, I've

[1:55:58] watched through the last few mayors and

[1:56:00] seen what they put into it and I think

[1:56:02] that that does need to increase. Um,

[1:56:04] just just so my thoughts are heard out

[1:56:06] there as well. Um, I actually disagree

[1:56:08] with with raising the council wages.

[1:56:11] >> Well, and I think too, Brian, you don't

[1:56:13] want it to be an incentive, the the pay

[1:56:16] to be an incentive to run, but you also

[1:56:18] don't want the lack of pay to be an

[1:56:20] incentive not to run. Uh, we need good

[1:56:23] people who will serve our community and

[1:56:26] not feel, I mean, that their family has

[1:56:30] to supplement the city budget because

[1:56:33] they've they're already paying taxes as

[1:56:35] well. And so I think there is a balance

[1:56:37] there to make sure that good people will

[1:56:40] step forward and um recognizing that

[1:56:44] most of the expenses that we each

[1:56:45] individually have that we cover

[1:56:47] ourselves. Um but so we don't want it to

[1:56:50] be a deterrent and we don't want it to

[1:56:51] be an incentive and there's a fine line

[1:56:53] there.

[1:56:57] » Thank you.

[1:56:59] >> Anything else?

[1:57:00] >> So sorry. Do you care if I

[1:57:02] >> please?

[1:57:03] >> I've got four questions in total, so it

[1:57:05] won't be long, but uh um 414100

[1:57:10] admin salaries and wages.

[1:57:12] >> Yes.

[1:57:12] >> So

[1:57:14] after after losing Chris on that, we're

[1:57:17] still increasing that budget about 50k.

[1:57:20] >> Mhm.

[1:57:21] >> Um

[1:57:22] >> so I just wanted to get a little more

[1:57:24] insight on that. I mean, I know we've

[1:57:25] got our breakdowns and we're talking

[1:57:27] about pay increases for staff. I just

[1:57:29] wanted to know how that offset with

[1:57:31] Chris leaving.

[1:57:33] >> Great question. Um, and I and I that's a

[1:57:36] perfect question. I want you to go with

[1:57:40] me to

[1:57:43] um

[1:57:47] uh let's go to 4110.100.

[1:57:57] And it should be streets wages

[1:58:07] » 44 sorry 4410

[1:58:10] >> should be in roads.

[1:58:12] >> Okay. Yeah.

[1:58:13] >> Helps when I give you the right number.

[1:58:14] Sorry.

[1:58:15] >> Okay. So so that has effectively just

[1:58:17] rolled up into that category at this

[1:58:19] point.

[1:58:19] >> Yes. And that will be one of our issues

[1:58:21] when we're looking at the

[1:58:23] year-over-year,

[1:58:24] >> okay?

[1:58:24] >> Cuz you'll also see snow plowing wages

[1:58:27] will stay the same. Um, parks salaries

[1:58:31] and wages is also going from 11,000 to

[1:58:34] zero. Um, so basically what I did is it

[1:58:38] used to be extrapolated over those three

[1:58:40] different funds within the general fund

[1:58:43] and I said it's it's too confusing. So,

[1:58:46] I eliminated all of those line line

[1:58:48] items and brought them all just to that

[1:58:51] in admin. So, while it does look like

[1:58:54] we're going from $175,000

[1:58:56] to 212,000,

[1:58:59] there's actually $120,000

[1:59:02] decrease in essence because you'll also

[1:59:05] see a $30,000 or $15,000 or 12,000 what

[1:59:09] I don't have the exact numbers here in

[1:59:11] this spreadsheet for our new bookkeeper.

[1:59:15] Um, so that's why we went from the

[1:59:17] 150,000 is now no longer on that.

[1:59:21] >> So she'll be in wages. She's not a

[1:59:23] contract.

[1:59:24] >> She is a contract. So she actually shows

[1:59:27] up in um

[1:59:30] uh one of the prof the professional

[1:59:33] services.

[1:59:34] >> Okay. And so in that 120

[1:59:38] you know net um delta deduction does

[1:59:43] that account for the discussion about

[1:59:46] pay increase for the staff?

[1:59:48] >> Uh so there is a decrease of that number

[1:59:52] >> per the wage increases. So I believe

[1:59:56] >> when we ran the numbers it was what

[1:59:58] $80,000 still savings

[2:00:01] >> a little bit more than that because we

[2:00:02] still had health insurance savings,

[2:00:05] retirement savings where it decreases.

[2:00:10] » Okay. But um Charlene is in admin

[2:00:15] professional wages for salary or hourly

[2:00:19] rate is um calculated there.

[2:00:22] >> Okay. So that's at 4141.35.

[2:00:25] >> Beautiful. Um and then city repairs and sorry two more. City city repairs.

[2:00:32] Um we're up about 120.

[2:00:35] >> Um and I know we talked about several

[2:00:37] projects um several allocations, but I

[2:00:40] just wanted to see what uh what kind of

[2:00:43] the final big projects were that that

[2:00:46] went into that 120k number.

[2:00:50] >> Great question. Okay. So what that was

[2:00:54] um was we did let me make sure

[2:00:58] cuz I'm looking at that

[2:01:00] >> 4141 649.

[2:01:02] >> So 649 that is a a rekeying of the

[2:01:04] building with actually will now come out

[2:01:06] of this uh this year not next year's but

[2:01:10] that's also a repainting of the inside

[2:01:13] of the city center at 10,000. Um that is

[2:01:16] additional landscaping at the city

[2:01:18] building at 5,000.

[2:01:21] um flooring options for half of the

[2:01:23] building potentially.

[2:01:25] Um that is

[2:01:29] some

[2:01:30] replacing the two fridges a fridge.

[2:01:34] Um that's some HVAC work. So basically

[2:01:38] the building is hitting around that 15

[2:01:41] years 15 years old 12 years old

[2:01:43] something like that.

[2:01:45] >> 14 years old. So

[2:01:46] >> it was 14 this month.

[2:01:48] >> Protective glass things like that. That

[2:01:50] is that stuff part of Okay,

[2:01:52] >> that was the next one.

[2:01:53] >> So, kind of the things that we talked

[2:01:54] about in our budget meeting, there

[2:01:55] wasn't anything out outside of that that

[2:01:58] >> the only thing that jumped was this wall

[2:02:01] right here on the exterior.

[2:02:03] >> Oh, the Yeah.

[2:02:04] >> Um, it had been allocated at around

[2:02:07] 15,000 and it's looking like it'll be

[2:02:10] closer to what was it? 31.

[2:02:12] >> 31. And that also takes into

[2:02:14] consideration repainting the outside um

[2:02:18] doing the eaves and the dormers where

[2:02:21] it's been coming apart.

[2:02:23] >> It's multiple places

[2:02:24] >> and making repairs.

[2:02:25] >> When we had this bid

[2:02:28] uh this entire side of the building is

[2:02:31] extremely compromised from the exterior.

[2:02:33] So there's OSB replacement in there.

[2:02:36] >> Okay.

[2:02:37] >> The damage is quite extensive.

[2:02:39] >> Okay.

[2:02:40] No, that that's great. I

[2:02:41] appreciate that. Um,

[2:02:45] and then my my last question on the

[2:02:47] budget was PTR was about 150 and I'm not

[2:02:50] sure if that accounts for some of the

[2:02:53] grant matching that that sort of thing.

[2:02:57] >> That is where the pickle ball court

[2:02:58] lives.

[2:02:59] >> Okay, great. Okay, so sorry. Thank you

[2:03:03] for letting me ask those questions. Now,

[2:03:06] >> I I am always happy to have any budget

[2:03:09] questions.

[2:03:11] Any

[2:03:14] other questions from anybody?

[2:03:16] Okay, then I'll accept a motion. Mayor,

[2:03:19] >> yes.

[2:03:20] >> Did you cover the consent agenda?

[2:03:23] >> I don't have any consent agenda item.

[2:03:28] >> Okay, you got removed then.

[2:03:30] >> Yeah.

[2:03:30] >> Okay.

[2:03:31] >> Sorry.

[2:03:32] >> Nope. You're good.

[2:03:33] >> I'll move to approve the or approve the

[2:03:36] resolution for the budget.

[2:03:38] >> Okay. Okay. Council member Jones with a

[2:03:40] motion.

[2:03:41] >> I'll second.

[2:03:42] >> Council member Malovich with a second.

[2:03:44] Council member Hutchkins.

[2:03:46] >> Yes.

[2:03:47] >> Council member Lunt.

[2:03:48] >> Yes.

[2:03:49] >> Council member Malovich.

[2:03:50] >> Yes.

[2:03:51] >> Council member John's.

[2:03:52] >> Yes.

[2:03:52] >> Council member Rhoden.

[2:03:54] >> Yes.

[2:03:55] >> Okay. That motion passes. Passes. Um I do have a few things that I'd like

[2:04:01] to discuss um concerning uh uh potential

[2:04:06] legal um issues. um to go into close

[2:04:10] session. So, if I can get a motion, we

[2:04:12] will go into close session.

[2:04:13] >> I'll motion.

[2:04:14] >> I'll second.

[2:04:15] >> Council member Malovich with the motion

[2:04:17] and council member Lunt with the second.

[2:04:20] Um Council Member Malovich,

[2:04:22] >> yes.

[2:04:22] >> Council member Jones,

[2:04:23] >> yes.

[2:04:24] >> Council member Hutchkins,

[2:04:26] >> yes.

[2:04:27] >> Council member Rhoden,

[2:04:28] >> yes.

[2:04:28] >> Council member Lent,

[2:04:30] >> yep.

[2:04:30] >> Okay, then we are going to head into

[2:04:35] uh close session. those online, uh,

[2:04:38] Diana, Sherry, and Dorl, thank you so

[2:04:40] much for joining us. Um,

[2:04:43] >> we appreciate your participation.

[2:04:56] » Okay, we are uh we are back from close

[2:04:59] session. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?

[2:05:01] >> So moved.

[2:05:02] >> Okay, we are adjourned.

[2:05:04] >> Thank you, everybody.

Woodland Hills City Council Public Hearing Work Session City Council Meeting May 26 2026

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