[2:24] One of the seats. Under one of the seat.

[2:26] >> Oh, under the seats.

[2:29] >> Our potential new campus

[2:31] >> pending.

[2:32] >> Oh, yeah.

[2:33] >> Pending.

[2:33] >> Perfect. Well, I don't know if we'll

[2:35] give you many answers today, but we're

[2:38] glad to have you.

[2:38] >> I'm here. answers if needed. And what is

[2:40] your name?

[2:41] >> Megan. Megan.

[2:43] >> Perfect. Well, we'll be glad to have

[2:45] you. Okay. Well, we would love to uh

[2:48] start this meeting. We're going to start

[2:49] the work session today. Um and we are

[2:52] going to start with the discussion of

[2:54] proposed repairs to the exterior of the

[2:57] city center. Um, just kind of recap. Uh,

[3:01] last council meeting we you I was

[3:03] authorized to spend what was in the

[3:05] budget for this particular project, but

[3:08] we did want to grab a few others uh bids

[3:12] on that. So, I appreciate um John your

[3:16] help with that. Um, and so I kind of

[3:20] want to go over those for your guys'

[3:22] information. Did I say it's it's Steve

[3:25] John's. He has two first names. It's his

[3:28] fault.

[3:28] >> You can call me whatever you want.

[3:32] >> Steve.

[3:33] Okay.

[3:36] >> Every time that happens, Steve and I

[3:37] look at each other like, "Uh-huh."

[3:40] >> I appreciate just patience is helpful.

[3:43] >> Everybody involved.

[3:44] >> Oh, I was thinking John. Huh.

[3:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, the original bid

[3:48] that that we received um was from an

[3:51] organization called Home Innovations. Um

[3:55] and that bid comes to a total of

[3:57] $32,47.38.

[4:02] Um the scope of this work um basically

[4:05] is the side of the building completely

[4:08] behind me uh completely ripping it off

[4:10] because we have leaking windows. Um and

[4:13] this is the primary issue that

[4:15] propagated the the need for this type of

[4:17] work. As we went around the building,

[4:20] there's a few other broken panels.

[4:22] There's trim pieces that are falling

[4:24] off.

[4:25] Um, now as I have gone through because

[4:28] I've walked the property with all three

[4:31] of these companies now and all three of

[4:34] them have one thing in common and that

[4:37] is they all say that how the sighting

[4:40] was put on this building.

[4:44] incorrect is the wrong word because it's

[4:48] not necessarily incorrect, but it was

[4:51] kind of a budget option that we're now

[4:54] suffering from. So, for instance,

[4:55] typically when

[4:57] >> volunteers,

[4:59] >> the sighting was not actually

[5:00] >> really

[5:01] >> correct. We had already farmed it out to

[5:03] a general at that point

[5:05] >> to finish it out. Um, and so typically

[5:08] when you do a hardy sighting, um, you

[5:12] trim out all the windows first,

[5:14] >> right?

[5:15] >> This actually did all of the siding, so

[5:19] the the Hardy slat first and then they

[5:22] took like

[5:24] 38 inch trim and kind of tried to shoot

[5:28] it on around and through the siding.

[5:32] The problem is that creates gaps and

[5:34] they didn't caulk in those gaps and so

[5:36] they're full of hornets and water and

[5:38] that's one of the reasons we're having

[5:40] such issues. Um

[5:43] so you'll see that the reason I give you

[5:46] that context is you're going to see that

[5:48] in the differences of these bids. I

[5:51] tried to get as close to apples to

[5:52] apples but that was impossible. Um, so

[5:57] the home innovations bid is for this

[6:00] side being completely ripped off, thrown

[6:02] away, completely repaired, covered in

[6:05] OSB because the foundation wall, if you

[6:08] can see right behind me,

[6:11] this is concrete all the way to the

[6:14] ceiling. So, it's designed for the

[6:17] highest R value you can get. It's

[6:20] actually the same way Steve's house was

[6:21] built, I believe. Right, Steve? Um,

[6:24] however, that means the other side of

[6:27] this wall is also concrete. So, they've

[6:29] nailed on

[6:31] these small slats to then be able to

[6:34] nail the siding on too. So this bid

[6:37] includes actually putting 7/16 OSB and

[6:41] sheeting the whole thing. Furring out

[6:44] the indent because this actual the gable

[6:48] on this indents in so it creates a ledge

[6:52] which is storing water creating helping

[6:54] facilitate the leak. So that's

[6:57] completely shearing this straight up. No

[7:00] more ledge. All of that will be then

[7:02] fixed. Uh, this also rips the dormers

[7:06] off and repairs the dormers because they

[7:08] also have a lot of water damage getting

[7:10] new flashing underneath those. Um,

[7:13] because the code actually helps require

[7:16] that you have a 3 in gap above the roof

[7:20] line of flashing and then it jumps

[7:24] underneath the the the siding to help

[7:28] with the waterproofing. And this does

[7:29] not have that gap. Well, they change

[7:31] they changed the code

[7:33] >> pro

[7:33] >> probably.

[7:34] >> I know they did because I got the

[7:36] insurance to deny a roof repair because

[7:39] of it.

[7:39] >> Oh joy. Sorry about that. Um and so

[7:44] that's kind of what this is. This also

[7:45] then fixes

[7:48] a kind of more bandage on top of the

[7:50] bandage of the broken pieces of trim

[7:53] through windows and things like that.

[7:55] Okay. So that's the home innovations

[7:56] bit. I have a question on all before we

[7:59] get to all of them then. Um they have

[8:01] similar time frame on completion.

[8:05] >> Uh that I actually don't know. I have

[8:08] not spoken to them because that's of

[8:10] less importance to me than than your

[8:12] guys's decision for cost. They all can

[8:15] get it done this before the snowflies.

[8:18] >> Oh, this this is

[8:19] >> which is

[8:21] what I was wondering.

[8:22] >> Yep.

[8:23] Um, so Cascade, I was extremely

[8:26] impressed with Cascade. It helps that

[8:28] the owner's name is Ben, but very kind.

[8:31] Um, this was a very thorough and as he

[8:35] went around the building, and you'll see

[8:37] because Cascad's bid is for 76,000. So,

[8:41] they're down their half payment is

[8:44] >> our budget

[8:45] >> more than than Home Innovation's full

[8:47] bid. They're saying you really just need

[8:51] to do this project right. And this is

[8:55] all exterior ripped off the building.

[8:59] All both ends of the building having the

[9:02] same fix because that dormer also sucks

[9:05] in just like this one does. Um, and

[9:08] they're going to put in on the very

[9:10] bottom uh that rigid foam in between

[9:14] each of those slats. Now, they're not

[9:15] going to sheet it with OSB, but they're

[9:17] going to put rigid foam behind those

[9:19] slats so that it uh has more imp

[9:24] protection because that's one of the

[9:25] problems. If you've gone down this side

[9:27] of this bay, a lot of those uh tiles

[9:30] have been just broken out, the Hardy

[9:32] board. Uh it's because there's no

[9:34] backing on it. And so, it doesn't take

[9:36] any impact at all. It just shatters. So,

[9:40] that's what this one does. Hence, it is

[9:43] quite a bit more. As you probably looked

[9:45] through the bids,

[9:47] this was a pretty bid package. They took

[9:50] extensive pictures uh understanding,

[9:54] articulating every single side of the

[9:56] wall, labeling them. Very impressed.

[9:59] Just also impressive price tag.

[10:02] And the last bid um comes from a company

[10:06] called uh Latmer Plastering LLC.

[10:10] um also really enjoyed these guys. Uh

[10:14] their bid actually is far more

[10:17] comparable to uh the Home Innovations

[10:20] bid than it is to Cascade. Um and this

[10:24] one is for $55,000.

[10:27] Uh this is repainting though also the

[10:29] whole front of the building.

[10:31] >> Painting

[10:33] >> because we do have that we had an old

[10:35] sign that used to be on the front. So,

[10:36] we now have that big huge mark on the

[10:38] front. And because there's a number of

[10:41] panels they want to replace around those

[10:44] front windows, they said there's no way

[10:47] we can match this paint. We'll just need

[10:49] to repaint that whole facade.

[10:51] >> So, all three of them have kind of a

[10:53] different um scope then.

[10:55] >> Correct.

[10:55] >> They've added in some things that maybe

[10:57] we didn't see.

[10:58] >> 100%. Right. and and basically I told

[11:01] them when they were here I told them

[11:03] what this bid was the scope of it and

[11:07] they said we'll we'll give you what we

[11:09] feel is actually makes sense to do and

[11:12] so you have Cascade saying you need to

[11:15] do the whole building which I don't

[11:17] disagree with

[11:19] you have Latmer kind of in the middle

[11:22] but they're but the amount of work we're

[11:24] going to get is actually going to be

[11:26] much closer to the home innovations bit

[11:28] so

[11:29] >> they just added on the front.

[11:30] >> Uh they added on the front. Um

[11:34] >> I mean I read through them all.

[11:35] >> That's pretty much it. So and then

[11:37] everything else that we talked about

[11:38] replacing the dormers and replacing this

[11:40] wall.

[11:40] >> Okay. So the reason I kind of pushed for

[11:43] this is because a lot of these

[11:46] contractors, sorry Steve, it's already

[11:48] been a lot of contractors and you guys

[11:51] are building mostly right now. You guys

[11:53] aren't like this. um

[11:57] have a tendency to make their money on

[12:00] change orders.

[12:02] >> So, they come in low on the bid, they

[12:03] get the job, and then, oh, we need to we

[12:07] need to paint the whole building because

[12:08] of this, and all of a sudden, your your paint price has tripled um from

[12:14] what you would have gotten from a bid.

[12:16] So, I wanted to see what other people

[12:19] were saying needed to be done so that we

[12:21] could actually come back and if

[12:24] necessary, which I was afraid it was

[12:26] going to be, um, say, okay,

[12:30] if if we think the we need to do the

[12:32] whole if we need to do both ends and

[12:34] then paint everything and whatever we've

[12:36] got to do, right? Um,

[12:39] and I don't disagree, the whole thing

[12:41] needs to be done, but I don't know that

[12:42] we can afford to do it right now.

[12:43] >> That's my feeling.

[12:45] Um, we say, "Okay, all we're going to do

[12:49] is this end, say Cascade, what are you

[12:51] going to do for us?" You know, um, and

[12:54] if we pick a Sherwin Williams paint or

[12:58] a, you know, I don't know what they

[12:59] painted this with, but if we if we make

[13:01] note of that, we can match that paint in

[13:04] the future. Um, so we could do and and

[13:07] it's not bad when you do a full side

[13:10] because as you come to a corner whether

[13:12] there's trim or not, you can't tell that

[13:15] there's a slight difference in those um

[13:18] >> if it fades from the sun.

[13:19] >> Yeah. Just it's just

[13:21] >> it's not a totally different color.

[13:22] >> Well, and even that you could actually

[13:24] do a whole different color and and it

[13:27] it's kind of looking when you do that.

[13:30] But this was my fear that people were

[13:32] going to come in and see different well

[13:34] not my fear my my expect

[13:38] my expectation was that other people

[13:40] were going to see different things and between a few bids we're going to

[13:43] say okay now we need to do what this guy

[13:46] said here and what this guy said here everybody

[13:49] redo your bids to this scope of work now

[13:52] we've got a detailed scope of work we

[13:54] can say I want to see your bid for this

[13:56] particular scope of work this is what we

[13:57] think we can afford this

[14:00] and have them redo the bids. And I hate

[14:02] saying that, but redo the bids. They

[14:05] come together. You don't need to talk to

[14:06] us after that unless it's over what

[14:08] we've what we've budgeted for. Um, and

[14:12] then you can make you and Ted and Jody

[14:14] and Wayne can make the decision. Okay,

[14:16] this is the one we're going to go for.

[14:18] We feel best about this. Might not be

[14:19] the cheapest one,

[14:22] but it's the one we feel the most

[14:23] comfortable with. But now you've got a

[14:25] detailed scope of work with the three

[14:27] different bids to pull from to say here

[14:30] is now our our called a and I call it a

[14:33] s scope of work. Um rebid you know re

[14:37] readjust your bid for these particular

[14:39] things. I like the fact of of backing

[14:41] the the Hardy one way or the other,

[14:43] whether it's OSB or whether it's hard um

[14:47] foam, high density foam. Um because

[14:50] that's what I mean, I'm looking at the

[14:51] pictures and you can see the busted in

[14:53] Hardy board, right? Um so,

[14:57] you know, once once we you can do this,

[15:00] I don't know that you need to come back

[15:01] to us if it's within budget.

[15:04] My my thoughts on it.

[15:06] >> Is there a possibility? Because I mean

[15:08] cost Obviously the concern of a phase

[15:11] one phase two on two different budget

[15:13] years.

[15:14] >> I think that would be the right choice.

[15:16] >> Yeah.

[15:17] >> We we will need to get this building so

[15:20] it can sustain.

[15:22] >> I would like to see the door downstairs

[15:23] if it hasn't been repaired to be

[15:25] repaired into the office.

[15:30] >> I like it broken fused shut.

[15:33] >> Okay.

[15:34] >> I don't have an egress standpoint.

[15:38] It's a danger. So, just from an OSHA

[15:42] thing, I'd like to see that fixed.

[15:44] >> I can give you that. We've got actually

[15:47] two doors down there that need to be

[15:49] fixed.

[15:50] >> Yeah.

[15:50] >> I think it would be helpful if we did

[15:52] have the same scope of work for all

[15:54] three because you can say, "Oh, yeah,

[15:56] that makes sense that we do this or it

[15:59] makes sense that we do both sides or or

[16:01] whatever." But it being fair to all

[16:03] three of them then because the scope of

[16:06] work that was told to the first is not

[16:07] what comes out at the others. So maybe

[16:11] um clarifying that a little bit.

[16:13] >> Yeah.

[16:14] >> Well, and Steve, I assume you've done

[16:16] work with Cascade and you've done work

[16:18] with uh

[16:21] with Yeah. And do they do change orders

[16:23] on you?

[16:24] >> Um no,

[16:25] >> unless you

[16:26] >> unless it's I'm changing the scope

[16:28] considerably.

[16:29] >> And so I've done a lot with innovations.

[16:32] Hence, I reached out to them first and

[16:34] I've never gotten a change order from

[16:36] them.

[16:36] >> They never recommend more than what they

[16:40] >> because they'll do the scope of work on

[16:42] their page.

[16:43] >> Well, yeah.

[16:44] >> And they don't come back and try and

[16:46] upcharge.

[16:47] >> So, I have a question. If if you're

[16:49] going to try and do the whole building

[16:51] eventually, then you wouldn't want to

[16:53] spend the money to paint the one side.

[16:57] >> So, correct. So, I think that has to be

[16:59] part of the decision, too, because if

[17:00] you're going to take the bid where they

[17:02] want to paint, that would just be a

[17:04] waste of money. So, I think we should

[17:05] save the money and not do that if we're

[17:07] going to do the whole building

[17:08] eventually,

[17:09] >> at least for sure, the two ends, right?

[17:12] And and then paint maybe the front just

[17:13] piece.

[17:14] >> Right now, I would say our highest

[17:16] priority is this wall and the dormers

[17:22] because they are

[17:25] extremely compromised. So, I don't know

[17:27] if you've ever gone and looked at them.

[17:29] The paint's all coming off and they're

[17:30] you can kind of go up there and hit them

[17:32] and they start falling apart.

[17:34] >> So, they're completely blown out. So,

[17:37] okay, that is helpful guidance. Um,

[17:41] Ted, have you looked through these? Are

[17:42] you of the same opinion at all? Have you

[17:44] thought about this this repair?

[17:49] >> Okay. Um, does what does everybody else

[17:52] think if we go back and have him scope

[17:54] if they if they put a scope together? Do

[17:56] they need to does he need to come back

[17:57] with us? We've already given him the

[17:59] authorization. I think he's we let him

[18:01] go forward. I don't want to waste time

[18:03] >> because we're wasting time going back

[18:05] and get another bit. That's my opinion,

[18:06] but if you guys want to pull the reins,

[18:08] you can. This is my fault. I think we we

[18:11] give we give the the reigns to the

[18:14] >> to the city staff and and you guys go

[18:17] with it. Yeah,

[18:18] >> I've got now their contact information

[18:20] as well. So, I'll shoot them these other

[18:22] two bids, a scope of work because I feel

[18:25] this other one's dialed in nicely.

[18:28] >> Innovations one is dialed in.

[18:30] >> He's got the dormers on it and he's OSB,

[18:33] >> correct? Yep.

[18:34] >> Okay. Um I think either way works. Um

[18:37] OSB's what? What?

[18:40] >> 58 OSB

[18:42] >> 716.

[18:43] >> Well, I also think

[18:44] >> that still should be good enough. Yeah,

[18:47] it still should be good enough.

[18:48] >> Then if we're going to do it in two

[18:49] years, our scope of work should be the

[18:51] whole project and then divide it in so

[18:53] that we have a budget for the first, the

[18:55] budget for the second.

[18:56] >> Do that because all the prices change.

[18:58] >> Oh yeah, that's true. That's true. But

[19:00] at least to let them to see if they

[19:02] would consider because it would be

[19:04] really I think hard if we had one person

[19:07] start it and then they don't want to do

[19:08] the second half next year.

[19:11] >> We've got a spec. The nice thing is is

[19:13] all three of these companies have been

[19:16] around a long time.

[19:17] >> Okay.

[19:17] >> So, they're not Joe and his his paint

[19:21] bucket on the side of the street that we

[19:23] picked up at Home Depot or something.

[19:24] So,

[19:25] >> yeah, I think the exercise was was more

[19:28] than anything to make sure that we were

[19:30] getting a couple different bids even

[19:31] though it's not a formal bid thing. We

[19:33] need to do the work, but making sure

[19:35] that scopes were consistent.

[19:38] >> Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking.

[19:40] Yeah, I think

[19:40] >> consistent scope.

[19:41] >> I like your approach to it. So,

[19:44] >> I just want to offer one, you know,

[19:45] apology. One of the contractors was

[19:47] coming out and looking and they tapped

[19:50] on one of our corners that was pulling

[19:52] apart and Wasp came out and stung him in

[19:55] the head.

[19:56] >> I feel a little bad about that. So,

[19:59] >> I just I I there are things that could

[20:01] very well be when they start tearing

[20:03] when they start doing demo um that that

[20:07] they're going to find um and Especially

[20:10] on the dormers that's and that's where

[20:11] our change orders that's that's when you

[20:13] get the change orders when they find

[20:14] something that they didn't see on the

[20:16] original scope. That's why I like lots

[20:17] of eyes.

[20:19] >> Perfect. Okay. Any other questions

[20:21] there? Wonderful. Okay. Let's move to

[20:24] number two. Discussion regarding the

[20:25] sale of approximately 0.25 acres of

[20:28] city-owned real property uh located near

[20:31] Bear Hollow between the Utah County

[20:33] parcel. Uh and then there's two big long

[20:36] numbers. If you're interested, you can

[20:38] read them. Including declaring the

[20:40] property surplus and authorizing the

[20:42] sale process. Uh Ted, do you want to

[20:45] tackle this?

[20:47] >> Yeah, I do.

[20:48] >> Okay.

[21:01] I'll get some assistance from

[21:04] every all three of you have been

[21:05] involved in this. So

[21:07] >> So where this started out Peter quick

[21:10] recap where this started out is we had a

[21:14] uh well so this was originally part of a

[21:17] plat where South Loafer came through the

[21:22] development and then continued and

[21:23] connected to Bear Hall. Okay.

[21:25] >> The developer revised and and that was

[21:28] recorded plaque. So that was a road ride

[21:29] rightway. The developer re revised the

[21:32] plat so that it souther now is a

[21:34] culde-sac. So this left the remaining

[21:37] road piece between the end of the

[21:38] culde-sac and bear hollow. This platted

[21:41] as city rightway. So it becomes our

[21:43] property is our property. It's part of

[21:45] the plat. It's property that uh does not

[21:48] meet any requirements to be a lot. It's

[21:51] basically a road right away.

[21:52] >> Yeah. Too small. It's too small for a

[21:54] lot. It has no improvements or anything

[21:55] like that. So, we've just had this

[21:57] parcel for quite a while uh in hopes

[22:00] that I could turn it into a trailer

[22:01] parking area, but apparently that's that

[22:04] didn't come

[22:05] >> too small for a helicopter.

[22:06] >> Helicopter pad still a helicopter pad,

[22:09] but ideas. So, we we had a developer

[22:13] reach out to us that knew about this uh

[22:16] and was interested in purchasing this

[22:17] little parcel because he could use it as

[22:19] access to some lots.

[22:22] Um, it would access actually he's doing

[22:24] it on behalf of a lot owner that

[22:29] it's a lot. It's it's it's a family

[22:30] that's buying two lots, parents and kids

[22:34] on South Loer. And this and and the lot

[22:36] sit in a spot that make uh access

[22:39] through a driveway really steep. So

[22:41] having an access through Bear Hollow

[22:44] makes it uh a fairly flat access makes

[22:46] it much better to access their lots.

[22:48] >> How how how long is it? Would it make it

[22:50] a flag lot then if that was the access?

[22:53] >> Well, would it just be add? Is it one of

[22:55] the adjoining lots?

[22:57] >> What's that?

[22:57] >> Is it one of the adjoining lots?

[23:00] >> So, it is its own right.

[23:02] >> No, I mean that

[23:03] >> Yeah.

[23:04] >> people that want to buy it.

[23:05] >> No. No, it's not. It's two lots that sit

[23:08] on the back side of South.

[23:10] >> So, this would help them access instead

[23:12] of accessing the driveway up South

[23:14] Loafer because it's really steep. Oh,

[23:16] >> they would come up bear hall to access

[23:18] their lots on south over. Um, so, uh,

[23:22] this developer called us on behalf of

[23:23] the property ownersh to see if we were

[23:25] interested in selling it. Uh, obviously

[23:28] we don't have a need for the property.

[23:29] There's not anything we could ever argue

[23:30] with. It's too small really for us to do

[23:32] anything with. So, we certainly were

[23:34] interested in surplusing it. Um, to do

[23:37] that, we have to go through the surplus

[23:39] process, which includes city council.

[23:41] So, we have to advertise it for 45 days.

[23:45] >> Y

[23:46] >> 45 days for sale, which is now got a for

[23:48] sale sign and being advertised for sale.

[23:50] Um, we have to get it recorded with the

[23:53] county, so it has a serial number, which

[23:55] we're working on. Uh, we have had it

[23:57] surveyed. We have a legal description

[23:59] for it. And we've had an appraised

[24:01] property. So, uh,

[24:06] we have we have put it up for sale.

[24:08] there's still interest from this

[24:09] developer on behalf of these two

[24:11] property owners. Um really probably the

[24:13] only other ones that would have any

[24:15] anything to gain by purchasing this

[24:17] would be the two adjoining ones on

[24:19] either side. So we are going to

[24:21] advertise it for 45 days. Um and then we

[24:24] can receive

[24:26] I don't know we call them bids but

[24:30] >> offers for this property. Uh obviously

[24:34] uh we did have it appraised. I thought

[24:35] the appraisal was

[24:37] pretty.

[24:38] >> I saw that.

[24:39] too.

[24:41] >> I was like,

[24:43] >> I mean, without being an improved lot to

[24:46] sell it for that, I think that's about

[24:47] what I paid for my lot. Of course, we

[24:49] bought

[24:50] >> That was a long time ago.

[24:51] >> Yeah, a long time ago. But I I don't

[24:53] think we'd ever get that. I don't think

[24:54] we'll get any offers for that much on

[24:56] it. You never know.

[24:56] >> Well, because you can't build up.

[24:58] >> Yeah, you can't build on it. It's only

[25:00] good to become part of another lot or an

[25:02] access. So, um, so right now it is up

[25:06] for sale and we'll keep it up for sale

[25:08] for 45 days. Uh, we'll receive offers on

[25:10] it and then once we get the offers, we

[25:11] can come back to council.

[25:12] >> So, what would be the process then since

[25:14] it's not available lot and it would be

[25:16] if it was if it was purchased by the

[25:18] developer to use as an access because

[25:21] it's not currently zoned as an access.

[25:24] Um, we would have to approve that.

[25:26] Correct. To have an additional access to

[25:29] those properties through there. No, I

[25:31] don't think it' have to be zoned as an

[25:32] access because it meets the current

[25:34] zoning requirements. It'd be a driveway

[25:35] basically. It' be like a driveway to

[25:37] >> a long driveway.

[25:38] That's why I'm

[25:39] wondering if

[25:40] >> probably shorter than some of the ones

[25:41] we currently have.

[25:42] >> Okay. So, it wouldn't be That's why I

[25:44] was asking if it would be considered a

[25:45] plaque lot if it's long enough that we'd

[25:47] have to put

[25:48] >> It would actually not be owned by I

[25:51] believe and you could be owned by the

[25:52] HOA.

[25:53] >> It's going to be owned by Summit Creek.

[25:55] So, how does that work with their

[25:57] >> service their private roads? Because

[26:00] that's one of the reasons we have this.

[26:02] >> It would be an easement for the lots,

[26:03] >> okay,

[26:04] >> through the HOA.

[26:05] >> It just it helps with, you know, if one

[26:08] of those land owners shifts and changes

[26:10] or it just it eliminates the contention

[26:13] around who's in charge of maintaining

[26:15] it, who's in charge of plowing it. It

[26:17] eliminates all of that, which creates an

[26:19] appetite.

[26:20] >> A fire hydrant halfway through and all

[26:22] of that. because these homes addresses

[26:24] would probably still be west or south

[26:27] loafer

[26:29] >> petitioning to change to their hollow

[26:32] because the access to be coming from

[26:34] their

[26:35] >> just that might be and I would agree

[26:38] with probably looking at that because

[26:40] emergency access

[26:42] >> we want to make sure we're going to the

[26:43] right address to get to get access to

[26:45] these homes in a response.

[26:48] So

[26:52] it would be similar. So we did this with

[26:53] Sunny Ridge. If you recall, Sunny Ridge

[26:56] down on Summit Creek

[26:57] >> is a it's essentially a private drive,

[26:59] but it's a drive for five homes because

[27:01] we didn't want their driveways coming

[27:03] off of Summit Creek Drive. All five

[27:05] driveways right there in a row on that

[27:06] busy road. So they built a private drive

[27:09] behind the homes. So there's five homes

[27:10] that access that private drive.

[27:12] >> It's not a city right away. It's not a

[27:14] city road. It's it's a private drive.

[27:15] This would be similar

[27:16] >> similar to that. Okay. That puts it in

[27:18] context.

[27:18] >> Yeah.

[27:21] >> So, what what's the what's the value of

[27:24] that piece of property to the city right

[27:26] now? I mean, obviously,

[27:28] it can't be zoned for another building,

[27:31] but what about park? Is there any

[27:33] interest in anything like that? And I'm

[27:34] just throwing it out there in terms of

[27:36] >> a pocket park.

[27:36] >> I mean, that's something to talk about.

[27:38] It's a fifth of an acre

[27:39] >> uh total. It's 50 feet wide. 50 56 feet

[27:43] wide because it's a wide ride. So, it's

[27:45] the width of a roadway. Yeah.

[27:47] >> Um, so I don't know. I mean, by the time

[27:48] you got access into there, you wouldn't

[27:50] have a lot of room to do much. Um, I

[27:52] don't think you'd have room to put even

[27:54] probably a

[27:55] >> maybe a playground. Uh,

[27:58] >> swimming pool

[27:59] >> maybe. Yeah.

[28:00] >> A lot of court.

[28:01] >> Yeah. Single lane swimming pool. It's

[28:04] just

[28:07] >> I'm still open to a helicopter path, but

[28:10] >> I mean, it's not even wide enough for a

[28:12] helicopter.

[28:12] >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[28:14] land helicopters on two-lane roads all

[28:16] the way.

[28:16] >> So, so what was the intended purpose?

[28:18] Why was it plotted like this in the

[28:19] first place?

[28:19] >> Because originally that road was going

[28:21] to go all the way up to

[28:23] >> then when they wanted it private then it

[28:25] was

[28:26] >> so it changed the configuration taxed

[28:28] because it's been considered bigger

[28:30] >> so was supposed to come down here.

[28:34] >> So pretty.

[28:36] Now,

[28:38] this isn't going to

[28:43] So, right, I don't know which lots it's

[28:46] actually.

[28:47] >> So, right behind it.

[28:48] >> So, the one it goes straight into

[28:50] >> straight in and there's two lots right

[28:52] here.

[28:52] >> One on either side. Yeah.

[28:53] >> Okay. That makes it that to me that

[28:55] makes a little bit of a difference. Um,

[28:58] and what I was concerned one of the

[29:01] thoughts I had was is it going to, you

[29:03] know, is is some going to try to split

[29:06] more that was that because I didn't know

[29:08] who it was coming through. They're going

[29:09] to try to get more lots out of it

[29:10] because it Yeah, they can meet the R119

[29:13] with you know

[29:14] >> Yeah. The actual the actual uh this

[29:18] actual little parcel is in an R1 to PUB.

[29:21] >> Yeah.

[29:22] >> Now, South Loafer is R19.

[29:25] >> Yeah.

[29:25] >> But it said it would be an access that

[29:28] would be owned by the HOA, but you

[29:31] couldn't make a lot out of it.

[29:33] >> And we

[29:36] I I saw that, but I just wanted to make

[29:38] sure that they weren't going to, you

[29:39] know, try to

[29:40] >> tiny house could fit on there.

[29:42] >> Um,

[29:42] >> hey, if you guys want to zone it for

[29:44] that, sure.

[29:45] >> Square footage.

[29:46] >> We don't require a culdeac on an access

[29:49] like that, Wayne.

[29:52] >> No,

[29:53] >> a turnaround for fire because it's short

[29:56] enough, right?

[29:58] >> Is that the case? That's what I'm kind

[30:00] of curious about.

[30:00] >> That's kind of what I was thinking. if

[30:02] it was

[30:02] >> if that was going to eat up anything

[30:04] with with a turnaround because we do

[30:06] have

[30:07] >> requirements if it's so long we have to

[30:09] have

[30:10] >> it's essentially a private access. We do

[30:15] if a home gets over 150 ft away then we

[30:20] do require their driveway to be figured

[30:22] to become a hammerhead.

[30:24] >> Yes. And

[30:25] >> I'm

[30:26] >> so until we know what the owners are

[30:28] doing or building we really

[30:31] I guess I don't know the answer, but if the homes are 150 ft away from Bear

[30:36] Hollow, then they're the way they access

[30:39] their driveways would have to be built

[30:41] to be a hammerhead.

[30:42] >> Um, my my driveway was grandfathered

[30:45] before that came in. So, I'm actually

[30:48] longer than what it's supposed to be and

[30:50] not having a a big enough spot. Mine's

[30:52] just slightly small. And we've done this

[30:55] like uh down in Summit Creek at the

[30:57] Degraph Beach, their driveway that gets

[30:58] to their lot is is way over 150 ft, but

[31:01] they configured their driveway to be a

[31:04] hammerhead.

[31:04] >> So, we've got a turn. That's that's kind

[31:07] of what I was curious about, but those are the two things I was kind of

[31:10] curious about, but I I wasn't sure

[31:13] the context of this until you were able

[31:16] to explain it. What I had it all up on

[31:18] my computer when the page came in. I was

[31:20] actually putting that in the pits

[31:22] together today.

[31:23] That's why I question if it was

[31:26] >> if it was a flat lot because road

[31:28] because of the length if it needed the

[31:30] hammerhead and if it needed the the fire

[31:32] hydrant but if it's just a pass through

[31:34] and you're saying that it's probably

[31:36] most likely going to be close enough but

[31:38] if it's not then the owners would it be

[31:42] then the owner who purchases this or the

[31:44] HOA that would put in the hammerhead? It

[31:47] would be part of the house construction.

[31:49] Until they build the houses, we won't

[31:50] until we get house plans and that'll be

[31:52] part of the

[31:52] >> but they will basically their driveways

[31:55] would have to be big enough for us to to

[31:57] have that turn around.

[31:59] >> Um and and I've read through that

[32:01] extensively because my house doesn't

[32:02] meet that.

[32:04] >> Well, we do require that any homes that

[32:06] go over 150 ft off the road require them

[32:08] to configure their driveways so that we

[32:10] can turn an apparatus around.

[32:12] >> Yep.

[32:16] fire truck.

[32:17] >> Yeah.

[32:18] >> Situation.

[32:18] >> Um, and this is going to be private, so

[32:21] we're not going to have to to plow it.

[32:23] So, it end up being a drive and that

[32:25] would need to be very clear on

[32:28] >> on this.

[32:29] >> It' be a private private access. So, we

[32:32] would have

[32:32] >> Yeah, that that would be very difficult

[32:34] for our

[32:34] >> It's like we don't plow neo. We don't

[32:37] plow Sunny Ridge. We don't plow

[32:40] that one.

[32:41] >> They do their little Bobcat down there.

[32:46] bottom

[32:47] >> blazer.

[32:49] >> And the scope of our conversation right

[32:51] now is actually just

[32:53] >> Yeah.

[32:53] >> Do we sell it or not?

[32:54] >> Yeah.

[32:56] >> If we do, I think that though we should

[32:59] disclose that it may need a hammerhead.

[33:01] >> I think we do need to disclose that.

[33:04] >> That would all be

[33:06] until we get the house.

[33:06] >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. may need

[33:08] just so it's upfront that that is our

[33:10] ordinance depending on where your home

[33:12] is.

[33:15] It could affect the way they um plat

[33:17] their house on you know configure their

[33:19] house.

[33:20] >> Is that John

[33:22] >> who just dragged me?

[33:27] » Any other questions on this?

[33:31] » We heard that you wanted to buy some

[33:32] property.

[33:33] >> No. Yeah. I already thought it was

[33:35] already a done deal, but apparently not.

[33:38] >> Okay.

[33:39] >> I guess my only thing Megan apparently

[33:42] has an interest in this. Is that

[33:43] something that we can speak to? What's the interest that just helps you

[33:48] get to your property?

[33:50] >> Yeah, I think looking at the property

[33:52] from below

[33:54] for sale and I think it was hard to

[33:56] visualize how to put a house on the

[33:58] property from down below at Wilford. Um,

[34:00] and then the developer proposed this

[34:02] possibility and that changed everything

[34:04] for us. So it would be me and my husband

[34:07] and I and my parents by the law and um

[34:11] and the access point from above just

[34:13] makes a lot more sense. So that was our

[34:15] focus then because access we had gone

[34:18] through discussions with the developer

[34:20] um creating the roundabout and maybe not

[34:23] necessarily a roundabout but a circle

[34:25] shape for services. Um, good to know

[34:29] about the distances and everything, but

[34:30] that's kind of where we're at with the

[34:32] offer is in. We're kind of contingent.

[34:37] >> Okay. I I see all I I don't see any

[34:41] negatives to this to be honest with you.

[34:43] The only other option would be to us put

[34:45] in a road um or run into and and and

[34:51] have have

[34:52] >> be really stupid.

[34:53] >> Yeah. It just doesn't doesn't make

[34:54] sense. He put a dead head road that

[34:56] would deadhead of two lots 100 foot road

[34:58] that would dead.

[34:59] >> Well, we would have to put a culde-sac.

[35:03] » It doesn't make sense. So, this makes

[35:06] more sense to me than

[35:08] there's not really

[35:09] >> if it's the two on either side, it's

[35:11] perfect. I think it I think it works out

[35:13] ideally for everybody involved. I

[35:15] wouldn't have a problem with them taking

[35:17] that that address as well. Even though

[35:20] you're on that circle, you can't if you

[35:22] can't access it, you can't access it. um

[35:24] or if it's limited access, you can only

[35:26] do it in the summertime. So,

[35:28] >> and like Ted said, you know, if if an

[35:30] emergency call is is made from those

[35:32] homes, we'd rather actually have come

[35:34] from

[35:37] similar thing to Sunny Ridge. They call

[35:39] from Sunny Ridge, the address is

[35:41] actually Summit Creek. And so, if you

[35:44] don't know that the house is actually on

[35:46] Sunny Ridge, you go to Summit Creek and

[35:47] then you're at their backyard and you

[35:48] have to run around the house, right?

[35:50] >> Yeah. So, and you're carrying heavy

[35:52] stuff up ahead.

[35:55] » I'm too fat for that.

[35:58] >> Okay.

[35:59] On that great note, let's uh move

[36:02] to number three. Now, we're going to

[36:04] just carry on with the meeting. Megan,

[36:06] you're welcome to stick around. Um this

[36:08] is exciting stuff, so we're glad to have

[36:11] you

[36:13] >> anytime. Anytime. Okay. Discussion of

[36:16] June's 2026 financials and check

[36:18] dispersements.

[36:22] So, you guys should have received those

[36:25] >> end of the year.

[36:26] >> Didn't have any comments.

[36:28] No comments.

[36:31] >> I didn't get

[36:33] it. It didn't look like there was

[36:36] >> I looked at it all. I didn't see

[36:38] >> I looked at it. Didn't see anything. It

[36:39] was

[36:41] >> It's helpful.

[36:42] >> Nothing screwy.

[36:43] >> Okay.

[36:44] >> Nice.

[36:45] >> Well, how about July? Anything in July

[36:48] >> on any of them? They all work. I love

[36:50] this. We're burning through this. Okay.

[36:52] Uh number five, proposed resolution

[36:55] dissolving the community development

[36:56] committee. Um so I just want to take a

[37:00] second here. Um and I think I can't

[37:03] remember if I have already said

[37:05] something publicly. I believe I did last

[37:08] council meeting. Um but I just wanted to

[37:10] again express my gratitude personally

[37:13] for the great work that they did.

[37:14] Carrie, you especially

[37:17] >> did a great job. Carrie and Chloe kind

[37:19] of worked really hard to get the grant

[37:21] in the first place. Um, and then they

[37:25] have been working what for two and a

[37:26] half years it feels three

[37:30] >> more than two and a half years um to

[37:33] work on that general plan, strategic

[37:35] plan, um, creating that committee and it

[37:38] was it was some fabulous work. So, thank

[37:42] you very much uh for that. Yeah, I think

[37:44] Kristen did a great job too with her um

[37:47] Kirstston with her her um leading that

[37:50] committee and I think they are ready to

[37:53] be dissolved.

[37:54] >> Perfect. Are are they are the members of

[37:58] the committee still interested in doing

[38:00] more volunteering with the city and

[38:03] doing more?

[38:03] >> I think so.

[38:04] >> Okay. I'd like to keep that on tap,

[38:06] right? that that we got some

[38:09] be the same people and and knowing we've

[38:11] got some people that aren't on a

[38:12] committee that are willing to do

[38:13] committees.

[38:14] >> So that committee was um Carrie was our

[38:18] liaison. Kirstston was our president,

[38:20] right? And then we had Brandy John's so

[38:23] Steve's wife

[38:25] >> um and Khloe Cleveland.

[38:27] >> Yep.

[38:28] >> Um then we had Sean Johnson who's on the

[38:32] planning commission and Lorie Thomas

[38:34] who's also on the planning commission.

[38:35] So, it's really only Chloe

[38:37] >> who's been in community earth

[38:39] communications

[38:40] >> and then Brandy. So, it was really fun

[38:42] having Brandy

[38:42] >> and Kirsten So,

[38:45] >> Brandy and Kirsten are kind of the

[38:47] >> We can't t Brandy because we're going to

[38:48] make her an EMT.

[38:51] >> She doesn't know that yet. We keep

[38:52] telling her, but she doesn't know yet.

[38:54] >> Perfect.

[38:55] >> And Kirsten's

[38:56] buried right now.

[38:57] >> Then Steve's going to join her and get

[39:00] >> she helped with Maple Festival.

[39:01] >> Yes. Yeah. and and she they they they've

[39:03] been people Chloe's been involved a lot

[39:05] too. So I just want to make sure that

[39:07] they're not trying to for run away.

[39:11] >> Well, I think that they want to stay

[39:12] involved in the city.

[39:13] >> They just need a breather.

[39:15] >> Yep.

[39:16] >> Okay. Any other comments or questions

[39:19] there?

[39:21] >> Okay.

[39:23] Wonderful. Then we're going to move on

[39:25] to our departmental reports. So Ted,

[39:27] this will be you. We're going to go to

[39:29] the community development, public works,

[39:32] and the fire department. Um, focusing

[39:35] primarily on an update of payment

[39:37] management project and funding. Uh, the

[39:39] discussion of the snowplow leases and an

[39:41] update on the pickle court.

[39:43] >> Um, so pavement management project

[39:48] is underway. They started yesterday. Um,

[39:51] it's really tearing up some roads. So,

[39:54] uh, they've been trying to keep as much

[39:56] as as as good as they can access for

[39:59] people to get to their houses, their

[40:00] driveways. There are some temporary

[40:01] disruptions while they dig up the road.

[40:03] What we found in digging it up is

[40:05] there's less pavement or dirt than what

[40:08] we had hoped. And so, when you look at

[40:10] it, you don't see when you go watch them

[40:12] grind it up, there's you don't see

[40:14] hardly any asphalt. It's all dirt,

[40:15] right? So, we probably didn't have a lot

[40:16] of asphalt down, hence all the cracking.

[40:19] Um,

[40:21] so what they do is they go through and

[40:23] they grind it all up. It goes 8 inches

[40:25] deep. So it gets the asphalt plus all

[40:27] the dirt down to 8 in, which is mostly

[40:30] dirt. Grinds it all together. And it's

[40:32] pretty good dirt. It actually is rope

[40:33] based material. So it's pretty good dirt

[40:35] in there. And then they kind of left

[40:37] with this

[40:39] 12 in just soft material. That's what

[40:41] it's kind of hard to drive on. They got

[40:43] a grater roller coming in behind it.

[40:45] Raids it down and then rolls it. So it

[40:48] makes it more drivable. So they're

[40:49] trying to keep people's access as good

[40:51] as they can while they're doing this.

[40:52] But it is a little bit um I think we

[40:55] were hoping it was more asphalt so it

[40:56] just grind up asphalt grindings and it

[40:58] would be fairly drivable all the time,

[41:00] but it's not turning out that way. So

[41:03] but we've had great residents. I haven't

[41:05] heard only a couple have called just

[41:07] asking, you know, you know what so I

[41:10] don't get blocked my driveway or do I

[41:11] need to move my car? A few things like

[41:12] that. But everyone's been great about

[41:14] it. They're turning away. They've got

[41:15] Eagle Nest done and Grizzly done uh as

[41:19] much as they're doing there. So, they're

[41:21] turning away up there, they will start

[41:23] paving Eagle Nest on Monday, I believe.

[41:26] So, they told me and then within two

[41:28] weeks they'll have all of that up done.

[41:31] >> So, with that material that's left, do

[41:32] they just roll that? So, they they came

[41:35] in front of our house today. Noticed

[41:36] that, too. It was a lot of dirt. It

[41:37] looked like they were farming.

[41:39] >> Yeah. Than anything else. So, I didn't

[41:41] know if is is that material going to be

[41:43] left like just they they had a roller

[41:45] come through vibrated down. Is that

[41:46] going to just be compacted and then the

[41:48] new stuff laid on top of it or will that

[41:49] be uh hauled away that

[41:51] >> hauled away?

[41:52] >> It'll be hauled out.

[41:52] >> Yeah. So, they have to take that they

[41:54] have to take it down to 3 in below the

[41:56] curve because that's how much asphalt

[41:58] would be down.

[41:58] >> Okay.

[41:59] >> So, they'll haul some away. They'll

[42:01] leave the remaining there, grade it out,

[42:03] act it all. So is it are they

[42:05] classifying it as they're going to make

[42:08] sure that it's proper roadbased

[42:10] throughout the whole thing?

[42:12] >> So

[42:13] that's a kind of a loaded question

[42:16] because they can't with asphalt in it.

[42:18] But it is roadbased material that's

[42:21] below there and even

[42:24] >> even if if we run into any bad clays,

[42:26] we'll look at removing them.

[42:28] >> Okay.

[42:28] >> So far we haven't. Um it's all been base

[42:31] course. been mixing it with the asphalt,

[42:33] but when you got asphalt mixings in it,

[42:35] you can't classify it. You can't test

[42:36] it.

[42:37] >> Yeah. Well, yeah.

[42:38] >> So, but even with that, it was not We

[42:41] really don't I mean, having the budget

[42:42] to bring all new base course in or

[42:45] anything like that.

[42:46] >> I know. We were planning for it to be I

[42:48] just want to make sure it's it's

[42:51] >> bad foundation's going to give us a bad

[42:53] roof.

[42:53] >> Right. Right. Exactly.

[42:54] >> And that's what we don't want. We don't

[42:55] want a a thick clay. We don't want a lot

[42:57] of dirt in it where it's going to wash

[42:59] out and cause us problems.

[43:02] >> So far, everything they have churned up

[43:04] has been pretty decent underneath.

[43:08] >> We'll do compactions on it before the

[43:10] pave.

[43:11] >> Well, they Yeah, that's do actually

[43:13] compaction testing. We're going to try,

[43:15] but unless you do a proctor,

[43:17] >> which on this mill material you

[43:20] So,

[43:21] >> so we'll compact it is as and we did

[43:23] this is the same process we did to

[43:27] spring broad hollow. When we hit the

[43:28] water line project, it's the same thing

[43:30] we did to all those roads.

[43:32] >> And we haven't hit any fiber lines yet.

[43:34] What's going on?

[43:35] >> Well, I told contractor.

[43:38] >> Some of them are like two inches below

[43:39] the asphalt.

[43:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. Some of them heat our

[43:42] asphalt a little bit. That's how close

[43:44] they

[43:45] >> Comcast, too.

[43:47] >> So, but it's it's going just a it's a

[43:49] little bit more disruptive than we'd

[43:51] hoped, but it's going well. Um, and I

[43:54] think everything's going as as good as

[43:56] it could right now. Uh, turning up a

[43:58] little more dirt than we'd hope, but

[43:59] we'll end up with a good product. It's

[44:01] pretty good dirt. So,

[44:02] >> the pave's going to be a little bit

[44:03] worse, I think.

[44:07] » Keeping access. I mean, we we have to

[44:09] let it cure before we can get on it.

[44:11] >> Yeah. Takes a couple hours as

[44:15] they what they do is they roll it in the

[44:16] rollers, put water.

[44:18] >> Yeah.

[44:18] >> And, uh, so it cures it pretty fast.

[44:21] They'll probably need an hour or two to

[44:22] let people drive them.

[44:23] >> We just don't want any big trucks up

[44:24] there.

[44:25] >> Yeah.

[44:25] >> We need to restrict that.

[44:26] >> These hot.

[44:27] >> So, one of the things that was mentioned

[44:28] is that there would be uh door hangers

[44:31] on those doors that were affected. Those

[44:33] didn't happen. I'm not sure who if that

[44:36] was city or if that was the contractor

[44:37] that was supposed to put those out.

[44:39] >> So, they they did get them put out, but

[44:42] I don't think they I think they went

[44:43] farther today. They planned. And so, I

[44:46] called them. They're getting more made.

[44:48] They were up here Saturday and out all

[44:51] the ones up from uh Woodland Hills

[44:54] Drive, Long Eagle Nest up to Grizzly and

[44:56] down Grizzly

[44:58] >> and we didn't get one. The only reason

[45:00] we knew is there was a real close sign

[45:01] at our

[45:02] >> Yeah.

[45:02] >> our door

[45:03] >> and then they they started going around

[45:06] Eagle Nest, but I don't think I think

[45:07] their churning made it No, I think they

[45:09] made it farther than they thought they

[45:10] were going to.

[45:11] >> So, they didn't get door knockers out to

[45:13] some of the houses because they were

[45:14] going faster than they thought. But I

[45:16] did talk to their project manager today

[45:17] and I'm asking them to revise those too

[45:20] a little bit to let people know that

[45:22] they will be disrupted in their driveway

[45:24] for a little bit, maybe an hour or two

[45:26] while they're going by and get it level

[45:27] out a little bit.

[45:28] >> I know we had people pushing their trash

[45:30] cans out, pulling them in and getting

[45:32] them moved or trash get picked up. Okay.

[45:34] I know that they were

[45:35] >> I talked to the trash truck driver and

[45:37] he said he made it around the whole

[45:38] thing and picked up all the trash cans

[45:40] that were everything that was churned

[45:41] up. He said it was a little difficult in

[45:44] a few spots, but all the way around and

[45:46] pick them all up. It's great.

[45:48] >> Really like the adventure.

[45:49] >> Yeah, it is a disruptive process. Uh but

[45:53] they're going quicker, I think, than we thought. And and it's probably

[45:58] >> it's less disruptive than our snowstorm,

[46:00] so it's probably easy for him.

[46:04] » Yeah. And we'll end up with a good

[46:06] product. I'm going to try and send out

[46:07] some of the amplifies and just up.

[46:13] Um,

[46:14] we did also have them look at parks. We

[46:16] talked about paving the park. I went

[46:17] there. I met with them this morning.

[46:18] They're going to put together a cost if

[46:20] we want to look at paving that parking

[46:21] lot. It'll have to be graded out a

[46:23] little bit and then they'll probably

[46:25] they may have enough in the grading to

[46:26] fill some material in and then pave it

[46:29] out and pave it a little past the fence.

[46:31] So, we can then build a trail from there

[46:33] over to the new pickle ball. So, we have

[46:34] ADA access all the way through from a

[46:36] paved parking area. So, I'll come back

[46:40] probably with a cost for that once they

[46:41] get

[46:42] >> It's pretty big rock there

[46:44] in the that parking lot.

[46:46] >> They're probably going to have to pull

[46:47] that out, aren't they?

[46:50] >> Oh, that parking lot's solid stuff

[46:52] there. That's good material to put down.

[46:55] >> All right. Yeah.

[46:58] Anyway,

[46:59] um snowplow leases. Um, so our snow plow

[47:04] leases are due next June, June 2027. So

[47:08] this will be our last winter with two

[47:10] snow plows we have. We had talked about

[47:13] staggering the snow plows, maybe sending

[47:15] one back and leasing the new one and

[47:18] then trying to extend one for another

[47:20] year so we get off years. So we're

[47:23] replacing one of the plows each year. I

[47:25] had another thought that I want to bring

[47:27] to the council and that is uh one I uh

[47:30] the company we're going through right

[47:31] now I'm not totally enamored with just

[47:34] because they're not really responsive.

[47:36] Um one and two I'm the international

[47:40] snow plows are not probably the top of

[47:42] the I don't know a while about the

[47:45] international snow plows. So I reached

[47:47] out to a company that we lease our other

[47:49] vehicles through United Fleet Services.

[47:51] These guys are local. uh their rep just

[47:54] lives right here in Utah County in um

[47:56] East Mona. Um and we lease a couple of

[48:00] our vehicles through through them.

[48:01] Really good to work with. So I asked

[48:03] them about getting some um snow piles

[48:07] through them.

[48:09] And uh and we would change the chassis.

[48:11] Ford doesn't make a chassis big enough

[48:13] yet with a good good motor, but Chevy

[48:15] does. Uh so we look at maybe getting a

[48:18] couple Chevys.

[48:20] um that would be the equivalent of the

[48:21] internationals.

[48:23] And um so I had them put together kind

[48:25] of some lease costs for us. And what I

[48:27] looked at was either a three-year lease

[48:28] and then either a four or five, either

[48:30] one. And so my thought was we send the

[48:33] two back we have the internationals in

[48:35] June because they're due. And then we

[48:37] lease two new ones on a staggered lease.

[48:40] So we'd get two new ones this summer

[48:43] uh on a lease, but the lease would be

[48:45] staggered. So we'd have a three-year

[48:46] lease and then either a four or five

[48:48] depending what we want to do. They're

[48:49] pretty flexible. Uh, so I had him put

[48:51] together a cost to do that for us

[48:53] because if we wanted to, we could start

[48:54] building them now because it'll take

[48:57] probably three months to get the

[48:58] chassis, then another three months or so

[49:00] to get them built. Um, and they're

[49:04] actually slightly cheaper than the lease

[49:07] cost we have now through the other

[49:08] company, but I'll just say it's a wash.

[49:10] It's close enough it's probably a wash,

[49:11] but I guess thing is it doesn't go up in

[49:14] cost.

[49:16] Uh we pay about 30 something,000 now for

[49:18] leasing these. 33 I think it is a year.

[49:20] Um the new ones would be about 30. So

[49:22] we'd actually be saving a little bit

[49:23] money. And that's a kind of an estimate

[49:24] because the full buildout we don't we

[49:26] estimated a cost for the buildout but I

[49:28] think we've overestimated and he also

[49:31] projected a little high. So it could

[49:32] even come better not knowing the timing

[49:35] of this.

[49:36] >> The reli and Ben and and Ted you

[49:40] probably both can speak to this. the

[49:41] reliability of the the trucks we have.

[49:44] Obviously much better than than the old

[49:46] stuff, right? Obviously,

[49:48] >> the plows don't just automatically fall

[49:50] off of these ones. Yeah.

[49:51] >> Um,

[49:53] one of the thoughts when I when I

[49:54] recommended when I thought about doing

[49:56] the staggered leases and brought that up

[49:58] previously

[50:00] um was to actually get a third truck so

[50:03] that we didn't have those breakdowns

[50:05] because we had so many breakdowns

[50:07] previously. Um, are we ready for that?

[50:10] Are we ready for a third big truck or

[50:13] >> Well, we've got a service truck that's a

[50:15] plow truck. I know. And that's on a

[50:16] lease as well.

[50:17] >> Yeah. But it's doing circles. I mean,

[50:19] it's Well, circles. It's doing

[50:21] >> cold sacks and then main roads and

[50:23] crossings and stuff like that. And and

[50:26] it has a purpose and I hate taking away

[50:29] from that purpose on that.

[50:32] >> I And and Ben probably knows as much as

[50:34] I do. I mean, it's hard to gauge from

[50:35] this last year. We kept up just fine.

[50:36] Last year last year heavy snow

[50:39] >> there was one heavy heavy storm

[50:41] >> supposed to have a big snow

[50:42] >> took us uh that

[50:43] >> we're kind of struggling with but

[50:46] >> I don't know if we've had a need yet one

[50:49] for 3 and two finding people to fill the

[50:52] seats is actually

[50:52] >> so I'm not even thinking I mean maybe on

[50:54] a big storm we bring in know the fillins

[50:58] like me to help on main roads and and or going off on the side with a third

[51:03] plow I'm thinking of having a plow in

[51:05] reserve

[51:07] Um, so the

[51:08] >> I don't think we're to that need.

[51:12] >> Um, I do think though a third claw is

[51:14] probably something we should have a

[51:16] discussion pending Three Bridges.

[51:20] >> Yeah. When when Three Bridges is ready,

[51:21] they've talked about us picking up their

[51:25] um and I could I could definitely see

[51:27] that. And honestly, when you think about

[51:30] it, Summit Creek is going to get to the

[51:32] point where their Bobcat's not going to cut it, right?

[51:35] they may be there and I've had

[51:37] discussions with Bucky about potentially

[51:40] having a conversation around us taking

[51:42] on that as well and they would pay us

[51:44] for those services. So I don't think the

[51:48] discussion is necessarily 100%

[51:50] premature. Uh currently though, um so

[51:54] three years ago during the big big storm

[51:57] when I was basically plowing every

[51:59] single day for seven months straight.

[52:02] >> Um

[52:03] >> October

[52:03] >> that Yes.

[52:06] >> that was we had big O so we had the

[52:10] massive huge one and it was broken 98%

[52:13] of the time. Oh,

[52:14] >> so we were basically hitting that season

[52:18] um with just the two primaries and

[52:23] service

[52:23] >> and that was with the crappy service

[52:25] truck that couldn't plow uphill. I know

[52:27] >> um and so I think right now we are in

[52:30] the best possible situation for our snow

[52:33] plow

[52:34] options. We're a year behind on

[52:36] snowplows. And I'm glad Ted is bringing

[52:38] this up now because we sat with the old

[52:40] snow plows for an extra year while we

[52:42] were getting these done. Doug, we need

[52:45] to be thinking about I'm glad you

[52:46] thought about it, Ted, and they're

[52:47] bringing it up now because I think we

[52:49] need to be pushing now to get those

[52:51] leases going. I I 100% agree with you

[52:54] >> because it takes almost a year to get

[52:56] those get those trucks outfitted, you

[52:58] know, built and outfitted. It just

[53:00] >> that's why we're switching why I want to

[53:02] switch leasing companies. uh it would

[53:04] actually be a different company building

[53:05] them for us as well. Different

[53:07] individual building them for us as well

[53:10] um and leasing through a different

[53:11] company. So I did talk to him about the

[53:13] company and he said it would take him

[53:15] about three months to get the chassis

[53:17] and then it'd probably be talking to the

[53:19] guy building it probably be about 3

[53:21] months.

[53:21] >> Three months is super fast.

[53:24] >> He said 10 weeks is what he told me. 10

[53:26] weeks just three months. I've added a

[53:28] little bit off to his 10 weeks. If we

[53:30] ordered them then for the 2027 snow

[53:34] season, they could be done by September

[53:37] or October to be used.

[53:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. We we it'd be good to get

[53:40] started on it.

[53:41] >> Yeah.

[53:42] >> It probably middle of winter.

[53:44] >> Yeah.

[53:44] We want to run

[53:46] >> an early start.

[53:46] >> So, kind of I'm envisioning a time frame

[53:48] on this is so Ted's done a lot of the

[53:51] preliminary. I want to get that now over

[53:53] to the finance committee for them to vet

[53:56] all the numbers and to get that logic.

[53:58] And I think proposing a third truck for

[54:00] the finance committee to look through

[54:02] makes perfect sense.

[54:03] >> Y

[54:04] >> um I personally don't think we're we're

[54:06] to that need yet. Um I think there needs

[54:08] to be an additional service required for

[54:12] that third truck to be justified. Um

[54:15] >> and revenue Um, but I think this

[54:19] finance committee looking through that

[54:21] is a great asset and utilization of the

[54:23] finance committee. Once we get through

[54:25] all of that process, which we all know

[54:27] that takes a couple months, um, then I

[54:30] think it's it's down to Ted deciding on

[54:33] the the make, model, configuration that

[54:36] >> that is what it is

[54:37] >> and then we can pull the trigger with

[54:39] the council. And I would suggest we try

[54:41] to shoot for a couple months uh to have

[54:44] this ready to go because we're going to

[54:45] have to if we're going to want them for

[54:46] the 20 27 28 winter get these going

[54:50] within a couple months.

[54:51] >> Yeah.

[54:52] >> When when does the lease end the lease

[54:54] when is it like June July?

[54:56] >> Yeah. But we can they're they're we can

[54:58] just extend our extend payments on it.

[55:01] doesn't that's what we had to do last

[55:03] time.

[55:04] >> The internationals um

[55:08] they they've Okay. But I mean, they're

[55:10] not the best.

[55:11] >> They're better than the last set.

[55:12] >> They're better, but right now check

[55:14] engine lights are on.

[55:15] >> I don't It's the thing I love about

[55:17] >> But I know why. I know why they're on.

[55:19] And we're going to make some changes to

[55:20] our plow with these trucks to try to

[55:24] prevent that from thing. I love about

[55:26] the Internationals. I'm just going to be

[55:28] a little cheeky is, you know, they make

[55:30] me feel a little more of the holiday

[55:31] spirit because the dashboard does light

[55:33] up lights all over

[55:35] >> with the check engine light, with the

[55:37] exhaust light, with all the other lights

[55:39] that are all constantly going off. And

[55:41] that's why I've also been pushing hard

[55:43] with Ted

[55:45] >> to change from the international model

[55:47] is it is throwing cover so often

[55:52] >> and until the Hercules motor gets into

[55:56] >> um

[55:57] >> I'd love to go for but they just don't

[55:59] >> I know I'm just you know I'm playing

[56:01] >> but has the because you know it was a

[56:02] little controversial when we decided to

[56:04] do the leases. There were people that

[56:05] were opposed. So overall

[56:08] internationals aside is it been better?

[56:10] I mean, it seems like it's been like

[56:12] 100% better.

[56:14] >> Much more reliable the trucks are when

[56:15] we lease them and just run through

[56:17] leases. And this is, you know, I

[56:19] understand why other cities have this is

[56:21] I would say most other cities that are

[56:24] do a lot of plowing like us handle uh

[56:27] their plows is they they lease them and

[56:30] rotate them. And this and and I I see

[56:32] why now. Um saves us. I mean, when

[56:35] you're down, it is scrambled trying to

[56:38] get stuff plowed and that's when things

[56:41] get unsafe.

[56:43] Um,

[56:44] >> citizens get angry.

[56:45] Uh, we've had a few

[56:48] times this last year we went down with a

[56:49] plow and it takes a while to get stuff

[56:51] done when you only have one plow.

[56:53] >> Um, so having reliable plows is is I

[56:57] think very valuable. The best way to do

[56:58] that is to replace them every three to

[57:00] four years.

[57:01] >> That's even long in my opinion. Um

[57:05] because of salt. I mean just just

[57:07] because of salt.

[57:08] >> Yeah. And they don't do I mean like

[57:09] these internationals this will be their

[57:11] third season. Um they're I think they're

[57:13] doing pretty good as far as wear.

[57:15] >> Yeah. But stuff that goes out on these

[57:17] or uh we lose a heated lamp. You know

[57:20] >> pushing it beyond the three that we that

[57:24] we set those with.

[57:25] >> Well, I think this initial one I think

[57:27] it'd be good to do it just maybe push

[57:29] one to a four

[57:30] >> and that would Yeah, you

[57:31] >> then after that it would go to a three.

[57:32] Then you'd be on three year.

[57:34] >> Well, and maybe in two years you're

[57:36] ready to to pull on that third truck.

[57:38] That's kind of what I I'd like to get a

[57:40] new truck. You know, if we had three

[57:42] trucks and we needed three trucks and

[57:44] we're getting a new one every single

[57:45] year and have them all on threeear

[57:46] leases. That's what I envisioned when I

[57:49] brought that whole thing up just for the

[57:51] reliability of it because your older

[57:53] truck's going to be the one that does

[57:55] fail and you've got two more that you

[57:57] can maintain with a lot easier than you

[57:59] can with one.

[58:00] >> Oh, we got to get some snow. We've got

[58:02] some awesome public works technician

[58:04] that maintains all the structure.

[58:05] >> I know. He's awesome.

[58:07] >> He actually does too good a job because

[58:08] if you get in there too quickly, you

[58:11] slide all over cuz the the mats are so

[58:13] clean.

[58:14] >> I hate those mats.

[58:16] >> Really?

[58:17] >> He uses like tire polish or something.

[58:20] >> That's great.

[58:24] » They're weather tech, but they won't

[58:25] stay still.

[58:28] >> Throw a little dirt on there first. Oh,

[58:30] he keeps things so clean and organized

[58:32] down there that it's

[58:34] >> No, he does he does a fantastic job. Um,

[58:36] and but you know, that's that's kind of

[58:39] my vision from three years ago was or

[58:42] two years ago was I would like to see us

[58:45] get to where we're putting a new truck

[58:46] in service, big truck in service every

[58:50] year and we've got them on three-year

[58:51] leases because that's where our

[58:53] reliability is. It we proved it, but

[58:56] it's been proven before that. We did the

[58:58] research, right? to put one of these on

[59:00] and off for now.

[59:01] >> And that makes sense, right? And and and

[59:04] it might be time in two years to pick up

[59:06] a third truck. That's kind of why I want

[59:07] to bring up the discussion because if we

[59:10] plan for that that would hit right in

[59:12] the in the right zone to put us on every

[59:16] year for one truck. Um I was wondering

[59:18] how we were going to get there and that

[59:20] a really good idea.

[59:23] >> So I guess the direction is we'll pass

[59:25] this on to the finance committee and

[59:27] >> let's create it. Let's let's package the

[59:29] whole thing up to deliver to the finance

[59:31] committee and we'll we'll go from there.

[59:36] » All right. Uh

[59:37] >> probably have you come discuss it with

[59:38] them too a lot of questions.

[59:42] >> Um so the other grant we have is the uh

[59:46] community project funding grant through

[59:47] Burgess Owen's office. I did get hold of

[59:50] his office this week. Um the list of uh 20 projects that Burgess

[59:57] Owens took to the appropriations

[59:59] committee has now been through the

[1:00:02] appropriations committee. Uh I think his

[1:00:04] list of 20 got limited to four coming

[1:00:06] out of appropriations committee. Luckily

[1:00:09] we were one of those four.

[1:00:10] >> Oh wow.

[1:00:11] >> Our money got cut a little bit. So we're

[1:00:13] uh we got recommended from the

[1:00:15] appropriations committee

[1:00:18] to for $850,000.

[1:00:21] So we trying for

[1:00:22] >> what's that?

[1:00:22] >> What were we trying for?

[1:00:24] >> Well, we went in with three. So I went

[1:00:25] in initially 4.9 million.

[1:00:28] >> And they said there's no way you're

[1:00:29] getting that because they they will

[1:00:30] allow you to look up to five.

[1:00:31] >> And they said there's no way. What could

[1:00:33] you do uh to cut that? I said, well, if

[1:00:36] we did 2.9 million, that would get most

[1:00:37] of our project done um

[1:00:40] >> and then they said, "Well, how about

[1:00:41] less than that?" So we we eventually we

[1:00:44] got down to about a million I think was

[1:00:45] the least amount we and then we have to

[1:00:47] do a match of that of about a half

[1:00:49] million which we've been saving for but

[1:00:51] so I went in with the lowest that we

[1:00:53] would accept would be or we would want

[1:00:55] not accept but we would want is a

[1:00:57] million dollars with our match dollars

[1:00:58] so be a million half dollar project. Um

[1:01:01] they uh it got cut to $850

[1:01:06] was the bad news. The good news is we we

[1:01:08] made it through 16 others obviously got

[1:01:10] cut.

[1:01:12] >> So it's made it through the

[1:01:13] appropriations committee. However, it's

[1:01:15] now at Congress and probably won't I

[1:01:19] don't know that we'll hear anything

[1:01:20] going through Congress for the next

[1:01:21] year. He said it's basically a bill they

[1:01:23] got to pass, right? All these projects

[1:01:25] and I think there was some multi-million

[1:01:28] dollars of projects. It's all through

[1:01:29] the United States. And I think I counted

[1:01:33] how many hundreds of projects, but

[1:01:35] anyway, it's one bill, but that bill

[1:01:37] probably will make it through Congress

[1:01:38] at best by the end of the year, he said.

[1:01:40] So,

[1:01:42] >> maybe if pending with elections, they

[1:01:44] might be able to get it through.

[1:01:46] >> Yeah.

[1:01:46] >> End. And if not, then would that

[1:01:49] continue on with Congresswoman Malloyy's

[1:01:52] office now that she's going to be our

[1:01:54] congresswoman after he leaves?

[1:01:57] >> Yeah,

[1:01:58] I think it would transfer those

[1:02:01] existing things would transfer

[1:02:03] >> cut that much. I honestly think we need

[1:02:06] to not not say it's not going to happen,

[1:02:11] but say it's phase two. I think we need

[1:02:14] to to really look at financing to get

[1:02:18] Maple and some other things done. We

[1:02:21] we're gonna we're gonna we're sitting on

[1:02:23] a time bump. So, what I would like to do

[1:02:26] is use this to leverage funding. If you

[1:02:31] can use federal funding to leverage

[1:02:32] state funding, it goes it weighs a lot

[1:02:36] better with the state and you'll likely

[1:02:37] get better funding through the state.

[1:02:40] So, um I want to start let's start the

[1:02:43] application process with the state uh

[1:02:45] because they have four funding meetings

[1:02:47] a year, I think it is. Um, not sure when

[1:02:51] the next one is, but start the

[1:02:53] application process with the state in

[1:02:56] hopes that this has made it through by

[1:02:58] the time we hit the state and that we

[1:03:00] can leverage this money into state

[1:03:02] funding. The bottom line is though,

[1:03:04] we're going to have to go through some

[1:03:05] public hearings because it's going to

[1:03:07] have to be a water rate.

[1:03:08] >> Yeah. And and that's what I'm saying.

[1:03:09] >> So, it's going to take a little time.

[1:03:10] I've already done a water rate analysis.

[1:03:13] >> I think we need to move.

[1:03:16] >> We've done a water rate analysis and

[1:03:19] I'll probably bring that to the council

[1:03:20] maybe next council meeting to start

[1:03:21] letting you look at water rates. Uh

[1:03:23] because that'll have to go to public

[1:03:24] hearing and we're going to have to raise

[1:03:25] water rates in order to take on funding.

[1:03:28] Um

[1:03:30] and then start the application process

[1:03:31] with the state and then leverage this

[1:03:32] money. So rather than make it another

[1:03:35] phase, I'd rather leverage it into one

[1:03:36] bigger phase because I think that'll get

[1:03:38] better.

[1:03:39] >> Yeah.

[1:03:40] >> We'll get better rats from the state

[1:03:43] >> and they'll be more willing to

[1:03:45] >> Yeah. They're more willing to

[1:03:46] >> they're more willing to work with us

[1:03:48] when they say that you have that

[1:03:51] >> which is I it's going to take us six

[1:03:53] months to get through the public hearing

[1:03:54] process anyway.

[1:03:55] >> So let's use the funding we have to

[1:03:57] leverage more funding.

[1:03:58] >> We don't have any funding.

[1:03:59] >> Well, there's 850.

[1:04:01] >> We don't have it.

[1:04:03] >> We'll find out by the end of the year.

[1:04:04] And we're going to be that long with the

[1:04:05] state anyway. What I'm saying is if we

[1:04:07] go to the state only and they give us

[1:04:08] federal funding and we can't take this

[1:04:10] funding,

[1:04:11] >> right?

[1:04:11] >> That makes sense. If we take this

[1:04:13] funding to the state, then we can get

[1:04:14] state funing which is lower interest and

[1:04:16] less federal red tape.

[1:04:17] >> Right.

[1:04:18] >> So, it's But you can't match federal to

[1:04:20] federal.

[1:04:21] >> No, no, I'm not saying that.

[1:04:22] >> But if we get this money, then I can't

[1:04:25] request and the state gives us federal

[1:04:26] money. Then one of the two I can't take.

[1:04:29] Does that make sense?

[1:04:30] >> Two different phases.

[1:04:32] >> You can't leverage federal. It's

[1:04:33] federal. And if I can leverage this

[1:04:35] money, the state money will be better

[1:04:37] interest rate, less red tape, and it'll

[1:04:38] make our project go farther.

[1:04:40] >> Yeah. But you're you're you're saying

[1:04:41] that it's next year,

[1:04:43] >> which is fine. We're not gonna start a

[1:04:45] project till probably another year and a

[1:04:46] half or so.

[1:04:48] >> Well, I just want it to not be I want it

[1:04:50] to be as fast as possible.

[1:04:52] >> I just think we need to worry, but I

[1:04:54] want to move as smart as possible, too.

[1:04:55] >> I I get I get that, but I also I think

[1:04:58] we

[1:04:59] >> if we move too fast moving

[1:05:02] >> I think we move too fast, we're going to

[1:05:05] not get as much project

[1:05:09] >> because we won't get as good as

[1:05:10] >> Put the funding in place and you can do

[1:05:12] more project. You can be more strateic.

[1:05:13] I don't even know if we have to have in

[1:05:14] place. If this makes it through Congress

[1:05:17] by December,

[1:05:18] uh we're not going to get on the

[1:05:20] drinking water report before that

[1:05:21] anyway.

[1:05:23] We start the application process with

[1:05:24] them, go through our public hearings.

[1:05:26] That's going to take us at least till

[1:05:27] December.

[1:05:28] >> Yeah, let's let's do it. Let's That's

[1:05:30] what I'm saying.

[1:05:30] >> This to leverage it

[1:05:33] >> and and if this comes through, great. If

[1:05:36] it fails, then ready to at least do part

[1:05:40] of it, right? sort of changes our

[1:05:42] application process. It might, but I

[1:05:45] think we need to move. I

[1:05:47] >> Ted is currently working on it.

[1:05:49] >> That's what I'm a long time. So, I've

[1:05:52] done a water rate study, which is the

[1:05:54] first step.

[1:05:55] >> Um,

[1:05:56] >> and I've already talked to Division of

[1:05:57] Drinking Water about um funding options

[1:06:00] with them. Um, but once again, I I think

[1:06:04] there's a balance of moving but also

[1:06:06] moving smartly and getting as much

[1:06:08] project as we can. I would rather get

[1:06:10] money to do Maple, Mountain Veil, and

[1:06:14] more streets than just get money to do

[1:06:17] Maple because then you leverage your

[1:06:18] construction dollars farther as well

[1:06:20] because then you're not.

[1:06:21] >> I I agree with it. I just

[1:06:23] >> So, I think the more we can leverage

[1:06:24] this and I think waiting three months is

[1:06:26] not going to affect our water lines at

[1:06:28] all.

[1:06:29] >> Um,

[1:06:29] >> is it just going to be three months? I

[1:06:31] mean, we waited six months because they

[1:06:33] weren't doing any lending and then we

[1:06:34] waited another three months and then

[1:06:36] that's what I'm saying. I don't seem

[1:06:38] like we're waiting.

[1:06:40] >> We're not wait. So, bottom line, we're

[1:06:41] not waiting. We've been doing a lot of

[1:06:43] stuff.

[1:06:44] >> I know you. I I know you are. Um,

[1:06:46] >> and it's a process.

[1:06:47] >> I think I think we're good. Yes.

[1:06:49] >> So, so the point being is I agree with

[1:06:52] what you're saying. I mean, urgency. I I

[1:06:54] also know that Ted on so many occasions,

[1:06:57] not myself, but Ted and others have gone

[1:07:00] in the middle of the night to check on

[1:07:02] waterline brakes and um people who

[1:07:04] haven't had service all of a sudden. So

[1:07:06] I I don't think we need to relay the

[1:07:08] urgency to Ted because I'm sure he's

[1:07:10] selfishly the one who cares the most

[1:07:12] about it.

[1:07:13] >> I would love to start tomorrow. Yeah.

[1:07:15] >> But I also want to get the big bank. I

[1:07:17] would rather do more water line. If it cost us six months, we can do

[1:07:21] another mile mile of water line for the

[1:07:23] same amount of funding.

[1:07:24] >> Yeah.

[1:07:25] >> Request.

[1:07:25] >> Yeah.

[1:07:26] >> Um stretch our dollars further. I would

[1:07:28] rather wait the six months and do

[1:07:30] another mile water line because that

[1:07:31] saves me more nights out in the middle

[1:07:33] of the night.

[1:07:34] >> Yeah. If we have more water line

[1:07:35] replaced and if we move too fast I think

[1:07:38] we're going to not try and nails these

[1:07:40] two funings together

[1:07:42] then um you know we're going to probably

[1:07:46] get less of a project done and just

[1:07:48] leave us more

[1:07:49] >> and it would affect our water.

[1:07:50] >> There's no way to do a parallel path

[1:07:52] here.

[1:07:53] >> That's what we're doing.

[1:07:55] >> Well, you're you're saying I don't want

[1:07:58] to forgive one funding. I don't want to

[1:08:00] forget one funding to accept.

[1:08:01] >> I I I understand that take them both at

[1:08:03] the same time.

[1:08:04] >> But can we say if if if the federal

[1:08:07] funding works, we're going this path. If

[1:08:09] it doesn't, we're going this path, but

[1:08:10] we're starting them at the same time.

[1:08:12] >> They're already doing this.

[1:08:13] >> Okay. That's what I want to make sure

[1:08:14] that we're delaying waiting on this

[1:08:19] >> and I haven't been.

[1:08:21] >> I think we we can keep going down this

[1:08:23] path, but let's talk about pickles.

[1:08:29] been waiting.

[1:08:30] >> So, the pitfall courts, uh, we have the

[1:08:33] 30% design complete and that's been sent

[1:08:35] out to the parks and wreck. I did get an

[1:08:37] email from Sher today. Um, I didn't get

[1:08:40] a chance to read the whole email, but

[1:08:42] the gist of it, I think it sounds like

[1:08:43] there was a lot of comments back

[1:08:45] committee.

[1:08:45] >> Okay.

[1:08:46] >> Um, most of them saying, let's go with

[1:08:50] what has been shown. So, uh, the plan is

[1:08:54] for the engineers to have the work

[1:08:56] complete, final design done by September

[1:08:59] 1, and then we'll put it out to bid. Um,

[1:09:02] it'll take us probably a month to get

[1:09:04] through the bidding process. Uh, pick a

[1:09:07] contractor and just let them kind of

[1:09:09] determine the timing, uh, based on the

[1:09:11] weather, if we can do concrete, whether

[1:09:12] they get part of it done this fall and

[1:09:14] then come back next spring or how we do

[1:09:15] that. But, so, it's in the works. uh we

[1:09:18] should have design done by the end of

[1:09:20] this 1 of September.

[1:09:22] >> Um in in line with that, I didn't have

[1:09:25] an opportunity to make that meeting, but

[1:09:27] uh I do want to sit down with some key

[1:09:32] stakeholders and just get the fundraiser

[1:09:34] going even though we're not finalized,

[1:09:37] just figure out what we want, what

[1:09:38] inclusion. So, I don't know who wants to

[1:09:40] be a part of that, but I'll I don't know

[1:09:42] if it's better to work with you, Ted, on

[1:09:44] that or if we want to work with Sherry

[1:09:46] or whatever. She she's gone quite a bit

[1:09:49] and so we haven't had a chance to catch

[1:09:51] up, but

[1:09:53] um I I do want to get that rolling

[1:09:54] because it's going to be a long process

[1:09:55] and I'd love to target

[1:09:58] >> getting 50 to 75,000 for the city from

[1:10:01] that. So,

[1:10:01] >> it'd be nice if we could have something

[1:10:03] for Windland Hills Day and everybody's

[1:10:05] there. They're in the giving mood.

[1:10:06] >> I would suggest working with

[1:10:10] parks trails rec committee and their

[1:10:12] council representative.

[1:10:13] >> Okay.

[1:10:14] >> To get through the funding stuff um just

[1:10:17] because I think they would be able to

[1:10:18] drive in the community better.

[1:10:20] >> Okay.

[1:10:21] >> Having community representation.

[1:10:23] >> Okay.

[1:10:23] >> So, I suggest working through them and

[1:10:25] >> just tell Ted how much money he's got.

[1:10:27] >> You might want to call some of the other

[1:10:29] communities around us that have done

[1:10:31] something similar with the with the

[1:10:33] bricks or pavers or whatever just to

[1:10:35] >> get a jump on best practices

[1:10:37] >> so that Then when you meet, you can say,

[1:10:39] "Oh, this community this this this."

[1:10:42] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:10:43] >> This might be helpful to call them,

[1:10:45] >> see what they see what they've done. Um

[1:10:47] the only thing that I noticed is are we

[1:10:49] going to make sure that those courts are

[1:10:51] turned so they're going north south?

[1:10:53] >> They are.

[1:10:54] >> Oh, they are currently. Okay. Sweet.

[1:11:01] The only other thing I wanted to talk

[1:11:02] about for just a second since it's a

[1:11:04] public works thing was the internet

[1:11:06] outage, which I know a lot of people

[1:11:08] were were upset about that and um to

[1:11:11] recognize that it was nothing to do with you or in our city but outside of

[1:11:16] our city. Um, when I talked with Utopia

[1:11:19] about that, they called me right away,

[1:11:22] sent me some pictures and just so that

[1:11:24] our residents who also called all of us

[1:11:27] um that it it did have the blue stakes

[1:11:30] and they know what the regulations are

[1:11:32] on that, but um it appears that as I

[1:11:35] talked with other cities too, um

[1:11:37] sometimes contractors realize that

[1:11:39] August are getting close to projects

[1:11:42] needing to be finished, so they don't

[1:11:43] always do um everything they're supposed

[1:11:46] to like dig by hand within so many feet

[1:11:48] of that blue blue stake line etc.

[1:11:51] >> This one actually the contractor was

[1:11:53] SCSD.

[1:11:54] >> Mhm.

[1:11:55] >> And Utopia

[1:11:58] incorrectly marked the line.

[1:12:00] >> Oh.

[1:12:01] >> So there was no violation beyond the

[1:12:04] fact that the blue stakes was marked

[1:12:06] incorrectly. So thus when they dug there

[1:12:09] was not supposed to be anything there.

[1:12:11] >> I see.

[1:12:12] >> That's why they hit it.

[1:12:13] >> Yeah. So it happens, you know, fairly

[1:12:15] often that these things get dug up. So

[1:12:17] it was just explaining to our residents

[1:12:21] that

[1:12:22] the hard part is is that whoever digs it

[1:12:25] up has to pay for it. But um not in this

[1:12:29] case now, yes, but typically but there

[1:12:33] are no punitive damages. So if a if a

[1:12:36] contractor does do it wrong,

[1:12:39] all they have to do is pay for the the

[1:12:42] um the damage and to get it fixed which

[1:12:45] you know to our city being out of the

[1:12:47] internet all day long that affected a

[1:12:49] lot of people in their business and

[1:12:51] schooling and whatever right and so

[1:12:53] there's there's nothing that is

[1:12:55] currently done but I think there is some

[1:12:58] legislation being proposed so whichever

[1:13:00] site is at fault has to pay some

[1:13:04] damages to the municipality

[1:13:05] >> sometimes proving fault right so I've

[1:13:08] done millions and millions of dollars

[1:13:10] worth projects

[1:13:12] and I probably have seen I have not yet

[1:13:14] seen a project where they don't get

[1:13:16] utilities

[1:13:17] >> right. Um it is it is tough because

[1:13:20] utility companies one always don't mark.

[1:13:23] So utility companies hire third party

[1:13:26] >> blue stickers usually market. Now we do

[1:13:27] our own but other hire third party

[1:13:30] utility companies. So and I actually sat

[1:13:32] in a meeting where a contractor hit

[1:13:36] >> 500 homes out of power in the winter a

[1:13:38] hospital three intersections and blew a

[1:13:41] water line apart. And this was major

[1:13:44] like tens of thousands of dollars worth

[1:13:46] of damage because a blue stagger didn't

[1:13:49] mark a power line correct and the

[1:13:50] contractor hit it. It was a main power

[1:13:51] feed for this whole 600. It was up in uh

[1:13:54] east Salt Lake area. Um and so there

[1:13:59] were meeting after meeting after meeting

[1:14:00] who was at fault here. Was it the Blue

[1:14:03] State company? Was it the utility

[1:14:04] company? Was it the contractor? And

[1:14:07] obviously then you get attorneys

[1:14:08] involved and everything like that. Um,

[1:14:11] so it is tough and I think that's why

[1:14:13] they they don't because you you would

[1:14:15] probably spend this just personal

[1:14:18] opinion of mine. You you spend more

[1:14:19] money on attorneys and fighting these in

[1:14:20] court than you would just telling the

[1:14:22] company, listen, you got to pay for our

[1:14:25] company to fix it. And that's going to

[1:14:27] be your damage. And that's the way it is

[1:14:28] now. Um, now they couldn't fight them

[1:14:30] out, but I think it's it's because

[1:14:32] sometimes it's tough to prove, too,

[1:14:34] because utility says if you their their

[1:14:37] marks are within three feet,

[1:14:39] >> right? So they say if it's if it's

[1:14:40] within three feet then it's good mark.

[1:14:43] >> Um but then you've got to prove was it

[1:14:45] within three feet? Was it 3 feet one

[1:14:46] inch? Was it two feet 11 inch? You know

[1:14:48] and when it's dug up the mark's gone.

[1:14:50] >> So how do you prove that? So those

[1:14:51] things are really tough. I think that'll

[1:14:53] be a hard cell.

[1:14:55] >> That's just my personal opinion.

[1:14:57] >> Taking phone calls residents

[1:14:59] >> and the general consensus of all of them

[1:15:02] that called in who you know it's an

[1:15:05] inconvenience, right?

[1:15:08] It's a first world inconvenience. I get

[1:15:11] it.

[1:15:12] >> Problems.

[1:15:13] >> You know what? People have businesses.

[1:15:14] My husband had a big presentation. He

[1:15:17] had to go to Probo and do it.

[1:15:18] >> It's an inconvenience,

[1:15:20] >> but it's not a lifealtering

[1:15:24] thing

[1:15:25] >> for most people. Yeah, it wasn't. I

[1:15:27] think the calls that I I got once they

[1:15:30] saw that um the city was being

[1:15:32] responsive that helped

[1:15:34] >> have nothing to do with But you just put

[1:15:36] something out, right? So, we put

[1:15:37] something out and I think that helped

[1:15:39] people right away. And then having that

[1:15:42] timetable that said they're hoping the

[1:15:44] estimation time, of course, they all it

[1:15:47] did help when you put the thing out that

[1:15:49] said, um, hey, call your own utility

[1:15:52] comp, you know, the utility company and they or look on their website

[1:15:56] because they're putting things out. That

[1:15:58] also helps people to alleviate the panic

[1:16:01] of is it just a temporary thing? Is it

[1:16:03] an all day thing? Was it somebody in our

[1:16:06] city? Was it outside of our city? All

[1:16:07] those things help deescalate the tension

[1:16:10] that can come from these kinds of

[1:16:12] things. So, I thought we did a good job

[1:16:14] in in at least communicating that out um

[1:16:18] and and recognizing and I think that

[1:16:21] helped a lot on the people who were who

[1:16:23] were upset because they then knew drive

[1:16:26] to Provo or drive to Starbucks or

[1:16:28] wherever they were going to get their

[1:16:29] internet that day.

[1:16:33] If that happens again on a workday week,

[1:16:36] like I have Starlink and

[1:16:39] >> and you know what I

[1:16:40] >> and nobody at my house is home in the

[1:16:42] middle of the day. I'm just saying you

[1:16:43] could borrow it

[1:16:44] >> and most of us well actually our IT

[1:16:47] contractor has two Star Links and he

[1:16:50] totally forgot to tell me it and he has

[1:16:53] one that we could have used. We had

[1:16:55] hotspots or at least I had a hot spot on

[1:16:57] my home. Ted had a hot spot on his

[1:17:00] phone. we were able to still um do work

[1:17:04] and function. Plus, there's lots of, you

[1:17:06] know, filing and going through stuff in

[1:17:08] the back that doesn't take internet. We still are able to function here at

[1:17:11] the city.

[1:17:12] >> I just worked out my hospital.

[1:17:13] >> Okay. I just I have one and it's just

[1:17:15] for camping. So, I was just offering

[1:17:18] >> Yeah. And there might be residents who

[1:17:20] need that, but um

[1:17:24] » wonderful. No, I think that's good. And

[1:17:26] I also in my vlog this week, I put up a

[1:17:30] statement about utilities.

[1:17:32] >> I thought it was good. That's why I just

[1:17:34] wanted to bring it up, but I didn't know

[1:17:36] that the other part, but

[1:17:38] >> helpful.

[1:17:39] >> No. Okay. Wayne,

[1:17:41] >> uh, planning commission and code

[1:17:42] enforcement.

[1:17:49] When the

[1:17:52] city council got out of the subdivision

[1:17:55] business, I told you I'd periodically

[1:17:56] give you some updates and things on

[1:17:59] subdivisions and particularly maybe some

[1:18:02] nuances that were uh experiencing with

[1:18:05] them a little bit. So, uh I wanted to

[1:18:07] talk to you a little bit about two

[1:18:09] different subdivision

[1:18:11] um issues. I sent you all a couple of

[1:18:15] pictures of Belle View subdivision.

[1:18:19] Uh they finished all all their

[1:18:23] infrastructure work um many months ago

[1:18:27] and made no effort to record.

[1:18:32] And so um I should record phase B. They

[1:18:37] have two lots that were recorded a long

[1:18:39] time ago. Um but the other lots uh are

[1:18:44] not recorded yet so they can't sell

[1:18:48] those lots. Um some subdivision

[1:18:54] um developers are taking

[1:18:59] reservation money and things like that

[1:19:02] which uh

[1:19:05] we're not concerned with. But the bottom

[1:19:09] line is the lots aren't recorded and so

[1:19:11] we don't issue a building permit for

[1:19:13] those lots until there's a recording

[1:19:15] done. We uh have tried uh for many

[1:19:20] months to try to get uh the developers

[1:19:25] of

[1:19:27] Belleview to record. there was some information

[1:19:33] that needed to be added to the myar and

[1:19:36] um

[1:19:38] they for one reason or another were

[1:19:41] haven't done it. So our ordinance it

[1:19:45] gives them 365 days from when they start

[1:19:50] infrastructure work all recording.

[1:19:54] If it's not if the if the recording is

[1:19:57] not done within 365 days they lose all

[1:20:01] of vesting that they've they've done.

[1:20:05] It's like they're going to have to start

[1:20:07] over again.

[1:20:09] We've communicated that to them that

[1:20:11] they've lost. they've lost that. So,

[1:20:14] we're trying to set up with them a uh a

[1:20:18] shortened version of

[1:20:21] reactivating the subdivision. Now,

[1:20:26] they can get an extension if they ask 60

[1:20:29] days before it's due to expire, and they

[1:20:32] didn't do that. Um, so we've given them

[1:20:36] a number of things that we want updates

[1:20:38] on uh in order to

[1:20:42] go forward with uh

[1:20:45] a request now to the city to uh

[1:20:50] reestablish that subdivision process for

[1:20:53] them. One of the concerns that uh

[1:20:58] I have planning commission has is when

[1:21:03] the original approval was under the

[1:21:05] previous owner of the plants

[1:21:09] >> and

[1:21:13] the the other developer um

[1:21:17] came in and purchased the property then

[1:21:20] and continue to go forward with that

[1:21:22] development plan for the the subdivision

[1:21:25] and they're the ones who have done all

[1:21:27] the work associated with it. Um

[1:21:32] when we approved us planning commission

[1:21:35] and you all uh for that development of

[1:21:39] that um subdivision,

[1:21:42] we gave the then developer who was Carol

[1:21:45] Bell uh some approvals

[1:21:49] to do some grading on that property to

[1:21:54] facilitate

[1:21:56] uh placement of of homes and making lots

[1:22:00] of

[1:22:01] It was of such a design that uh was

[1:22:04] going to be extremely hard to do. So we

[1:22:08] gave them those allowances at the

[1:22:10] beginning and there was a commitment

[1:22:12] from Carol Bell's group that they would

[1:22:15] do as minimum as possible in order to

[1:22:19] get the grading that was necessary to

[1:22:22] allow homes and structures to be built

[1:22:27] space.

[1:22:27] >> Correct.

[1:22:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[1:22:29] >> So, um we're assuming that got

[1:22:33] transmitted to the new developers and

[1:22:36] it's our understanding that the civil

[1:22:38] engineer stayed the same, but I don't

[1:22:41] know how much checking that was done

[1:22:43] during the process. My concern is they

[1:22:47] may not have done enough rating to

[1:22:51] facilitate having less than 35% slopes

[1:22:56] in that area. those pictures that I sent

[1:22:59] you.

[1:22:59] >> Yeah,

[1:23:00] >> there were two lots the back side of the

[1:23:03] culde-sac.

[1:23:05] And when you look at those and you look

[1:23:07] at the drop off in front coming down to

[1:23:09] the the property line, they're just to

[1:23:13] me eyeballing it, it seems like it's

[1:23:17] going to be problematic.

[1:23:20] What we want what we don't want to be in

[1:23:22] a situation is is we go ahead and

[1:23:24] approve that subdivision, approve those

[1:23:27] lots and then somebody comes back to us

[1:23:29] and says we can't build on it. Your

[1:23:32] slope is too great and by ordinance they

[1:23:34] can't. So then they have to potentially

[1:23:37] go through the variance process and pay

[1:23:39] come in and appeal their case. So

[1:23:42] there's there's provisions that we can

[1:23:44] do that if we planning commission now

[1:23:49] and give them um variances in the

[1:23:53] beginning of the uh infrastructure work.

[1:23:57] So that's we've asked them to provide us

[1:24:02] basically a uh grading survey so that we

[1:24:07] can see what what grades are

[1:24:10] particularly in these two lots that I

[1:24:11] took pictures of and sent to you. So

[1:24:14] that if if if they don't qualify

[1:24:19] going through a new subdivision process

[1:24:21] now and they can get in there and make

[1:24:23] and do some more grading to accommodate

[1:24:26] uh the law

[1:24:28] >> if they've already gone through and and

[1:24:30] it has expired the 365 days. So they

[1:24:33] have to start over. But wouldn't the

[1:24:35] original approval that's conditioned on

[1:24:38] them making those lots buildable with

[1:24:41] the new grading that would still be

[1:24:43] enforced? So could it would not be

[1:24:45] enforced.

[1:24:46] >> It lose all vesting that they had.

[1:24:48] >> So it would have to be reapproved by us

[1:24:50] and then we could put that statement

[1:24:52] back in.

[1:24:53] >> We can

[1:24:54] >> and then that's what

[1:24:55] >> yeah instead of variance to the new

[1:24:57] people buying it just if they are going

[1:24:59] to go through the process all over we

[1:25:01] just put that back into the whole

[1:25:03] development agreement.

[1:25:04] >> Yes. I think that would be better for

[1:25:06] the

[1:25:08] >> for the developer to have to be

[1:25:09] responsible for that, not the homeowner

[1:25:11] responsible for a variance. Because a

[1:25:12] variance, although it's nice, it also

[1:25:15] increases the price of your home to have

[1:25:18] to build. I mean, we can build anywhere,

[1:25:19] but increases the price when it's on a slope that is not really meant to

[1:25:25] be buildable.

[1:25:26] >> Correct. So, that's our plan going

[1:25:28] forward, what we're going to do, and

[1:25:30] we'll see what the engineer comes back

[1:25:32] with as far as the slopes that are in

[1:25:34] there now. But eyeballing it, I I just

[1:25:37] have reservations that and they have

[1:25:41] that causes problems with septic.

[1:25:43] They're not on sewer. that potentially

[1:25:46] causes problems with septic because

[1:25:48] public health has requirements that they

[1:25:51] have to be so far away for

[1:25:54] >> and we slopes force

[1:25:56] >> alternate um

[1:25:58] >> they may there's two lots that do

[1:26:00] require and we have we're getting a new

[1:26:02] letter

[1:26:03] >> because that letter expired in three

[1:26:05] years it's passed now

[1:26:07] >> so they're going to have to get us a new

[1:26:08] public health letter regarding their

[1:26:10] septic systems. So, there's quite a few

[1:26:12] things that they're they're going to

[1:26:14] have to do a new

[1:26:16] and we're still having we're having

[1:26:19] difficulties getting a hold of

[1:26:20] responsible parties uh in this process

[1:26:24] with that group that get somebody who's

[1:26:27] willing to

[1:26:30] >> but they won't be able to sell them

[1:26:31] because even though they've been

[1:26:34] technically approved, they haven't been

[1:26:37] recorded. So, they can't sell them

[1:26:38] anyways.

[1:26:39] >> That's correct. Other than the two, the

[1:26:41] first two they did, they could they

[1:26:43] could sell those, but the rest they

[1:26:44] can't they can't sell.

[1:26:46] >> Well, one of these was they were pushing

[1:26:49] to buy one of the second phase lots to

[1:26:52] merge it with the first phase lot, if

[1:26:54] you remember. Um, and that obviously

[1:26:56] didn't happen because we never got that

[1:26:59] recorded. So, apparently, I'm guessing

[1:27:02] those those buyers have have backed out

[1:27:04] completely. So, but septic was an issue

[1:27:08] with these. And I appreciate that you

[1:27:10] staying on top of that because that was one of the things that we

[1:27:13] looked at when when they brought that

[1:27:15] because that was still under the council

[1:27:17] at the time

[1:27:19] >> and and so it was kind of a dual

[1:27:22] planning planning commission and

[1:27:23] council.

[1:27:25] >> But thank you for keeping an eye on

[1:27:27] that.

[1:27:28] >> Yes. Uh any questions on on that part?

[1:27:34] We're we're trying to work with them and

[1:27:37] help them through some of these things

[1:27:38] and we're cutting a lot of the the

[1:27:41] normal stuff out of a second attempt

[1:27:45] here to get uh subdivision approved to

[1:27:48] facilitate. So, but we're satisfying

[1:27:51] ourselves, but we don't want to short

[1:27:54] ourselves the city in in this process.

[1:27:57] But

[1:27:58] >> as long as we're staying within

[1:28:01] I don't I don't want you skipping over

[1:28:03] anything that that is in our code

[1:28:05] because that we don't want to put any

[1:28:06] liability back on on us for anything

[1:28:10] even though it's gone through it once.

[1:28:12] Let's not make sure let's make sure that

[1:28:14] we're not missing anything that you're crossing all te's and dotting my

[1:28:18] eyes because we don't want to stick our

[1:28:20] necks out there. So I I'm glad there's a

[1:28:23] way for you to to that we in there that

[1:28:25] you can you know do a little bit quicker

[1:28:28] for them. So hopefully they get through

[1:28:30] this.

[1:28:31] >> Okay.

[1:28:32] >> Uh The second one, just to bring you up

[1:28:35] today a little bit, is Havenwood

[1:28:37] subdivision.

[1:28:39] You might notice that since the road got

[1:28:41] in, everything else stopped.

[1:28:43] >> Yeah.

[1:28:43] >> Over there.

[1:28:44] >> So, there's ditches that they haven't

[1:28:46] put in yet. And there's a driveway uh

[1:28:51] that they haven't torn up and a new one

[1:28:53] put in.

[1:28:54] >> I was wondering about that one, too.

[1:28:56] That was

[1:28:56] >> that's still hanging for us. That was

[1:28:57] part of the infrastructure work that was

[1:28:59] to be done.

[1:29:01] they they bid on another project that

[1:29:05] they got. So, their attention has been

[1:29:08] taken uh from that area, but we've been

[1:29:12] in touch with them and informed them

[1:29:13] that these things there's not going to

[1:29:15] be any building permits issued and

[1:29:17] they've got quite a bit of interest in those lots over there and they're

[1:29:21] recorded on some of them on phase A that

[1:29:24] they've they've done. Um, but they still

[1:29:28] got some infrastructure work that they

[1:29:30] need to do.

[1:29:31] >> So with the phase A and B when they

[1:29:35] connected that didn't stop phase A. They

[1:29:38] were able to record that.

[1:29:39] >> Correct.

[1:29:40] >> Okay. I didn't I didn't real I didn't I

[1:29:42] thought once they kind of merged they

[1:29:44] couldn't record.

[1:29:45] >> They recorded all the work all the

[1:29:47] infrastructure that they were doing. So

[1:29:49] that's that's in phase A.

[1:29:51] >> Okay.

[1:29:52] >> So they haven't finished that yet.

[1:29:56] Anyway, that's kind of where that's at.

[1:29:57] If you notice, you know, nobody's over

[1:29:59] there for

[1:29:59] >> Yeah. while. But we'll get them back.

[1:30:02] So, that's kind of where that's at.

[1:30:06] >> Expire.

[1:30:08] >> Want them to expire on you.

[1:30:10] >> But they're bonded, right?

[1:30:11] >> They are.

[1:30:13] >> Yes.

[1:30:14] >> I have a question. If you're done with

[1:30:16] that on code enforcement, um, when we

[1:30:20] have a resident who has had some issues

[1:30:22] with code enforcement and then their

[1:30:24] home and becomes for sale, but those

[1:30:26] items haven't been taken care of. Um,

[1:30:30] how does that work? If if do we still

[1:30:33] require them to finish that or come up

[1:30:36] to date in the code before they can sell

[1:30:38] it? Do we put a lean on the property so

[1:30:41] that the new homeowners know it's

[1:30:42] there's not it's not in compliance. What

[1:30:45] do we do? Because there is a home that's

[1:30:46] for sale on Maple right now, but has a

[1:30:49] lot of issues and

[1:30:51] >> I've gotten some calls from the

[1:30:52] neighbors asking about that. I'm I'm

[1:30:54] glad you raised that question. All

[1:30:56] right. Um, this has been going on for a

[1:31:00] number of years with with that home. Um,

[1:31:05] about 60 days or so ago,

[1:31:09] they got another letter uh advising them

[1:31:13] to clean the property up. They haven't t

[1:31:16] make made any effort to do that. Uh,

[1:31:20] starting around 30 days ago, it was a

[1:31:23] deadline given to them and for that from

[1:31:26] that point they are incurring $500 a day

[1:31:32] in

[1:31:34] fines.

[1:31:34] >> Have you put a lean though?

[1:31:37] >> Okay.

[1:31:37] >> I'm not through yet.

[1:31:39] >> So when did the $500 a day start?

[1:31:42] >> That's it started about a little more

[1:31:45] than 30 days ago.

[1:31:47] >> So about the beginning of July.

[1:31:50] >> Yeah. Okay. And it's a $100 a day for

[1:31:55] each violation. So I took and showed

[1:31:59] there was five different violations of

[1:32:01] our code.

[1:32:02] >> So those $500 accumulate then and that's

[1:32:07] a daily fine that they're incurring. So

[1:32:10] the first I let it go for 30 days and

[1:32:13] then we took and filed a notice of lean

[1:32:17] with the county

[1:32:19] uh to inform them and it's recorded

[1:32:21] against that property and I sent a copy

[1:32:24] to them as well. Now we'll wait another

[1:32:29] 30 days and we'll add to that then the

[1:32:32] continued $500 a day fine.

[1:32:36] So right now I think it was around

[1:32:39] $13,000

[1:32:41] something like that for for fine for

[1:32:44] these and they I'm a little surprised

[1:32:47] they haven't talked to me about that. We

[1:32:49] we've had we have pretty good open

[1:32:52] communication with things. Um but I if

[1:32:56] they clear one thing up then it'll be

[1:32:59] $100 a day less

[1:33:01] >> and as time goes on but they're still

[1:33:04] obligated for what they recruit up to

[1:33:07] that point. And if they sell it, it has

[1:33:09] to be paid through the sale.

[1:33:10] >> Yeah.

[1:33:11] >> Yes. It's collected at that time.

[1:33:13] >> And if it's if it hasn't been rectified,

[1:33:16] but they've had those things, then it's

[1:33:19] still on the

[1:33:20] >> I mean, how do the new owners know that

[1:33:23] that's not acceptable that

[1:33:24] >> title company should pick that up?

[1:33:26] >> Okay. So, it would be

[1:33:28] >> that's what I just said. Due

[1:33:30] >> title company does a search, they'll

[1:33:32] find it. They call the city, they get a

[1:33:33] payoff. Well, well then, so that that

[1:33:37] any violations that required actual work

[1:33:39] to be done, does the seller or the buyer

[1:33:43] have to absorb that cost?

[1:33:45] >> Seller.

[1:33:47] >> Yes.

[1:33:48] >> Or however they work it out. I mean,

[1:33:50] they it's the contract.

[1:33:51] >> Yeah.

[1:33:52] They have to disclose it.

[1:33:54] >> I mean, can I ask you a question about

[1:33:56] it?

[1:33:56] >> Sure.

[1:33:56] >> I I'm not familiar with the property. Is

[1:33:58] this a an unwilling or an unable?

[1:34:01] >> Unwilling.

[1:34:02] >> Okay.

[1:34:03] might be our people.

[1:34:06] >> Because they choose

[1:34:07] >> they choose to be.

[1:34:08] >> Well, sure. I I just mean is it is it a

[1:34:11] resource problem? Like is it is it

[1:34:13] something our neighbors need help with

[1:34:15] or is it a we're just giving the bird to

[1:34:19] the system?

[1:34:20] >> Yeah. Uh it's a

[1:34:23] >> I'd be happy to talk with you more.

[1:34:27] >> Yeah. Yeah. There's never been they've

[1:34:30] never said we just can't do it.

[1:34:33] >> Yeah.

[1:34:34] >> So there's there's some false starts

[1:34:38] that they've had in some of this.

[1:34:42] » Definitely impacted the neighborhood.

[1:34:44] >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[1:34:48] >> Probably move because

[1:34:52] >> Yeah.

[1:34:55] » answer your question.

[1:34:56] >> Yeah. That's just one I wanted to know

[1:34:58] just to be sure that we

[1:35:00] >> that that's there's three ways of

[1:35:02] addressing it. That's the least

[1:35:06] intrusive and the easiest way for the

[1:35:08] city to address it. We can get an

[1:35:10] attorney involved and take them to court

[1:35:12] if you wanted to, but now we're paying

[1:35:15] attorney and and whatnot to do that sort

[1:35:18] of thing. So

[1:35:19] >> So there's incentive for them to sell

[1:35:21] faster. When when a house is for sale,

[1:35:23] that's the best. That is your absolute

[1:35:26] best option.

[1:35:27] >> 100%.

[1:35:29] >> I've done it on radio homes.

[1:35:33] >> You actually get paid.

[1:35:37] » Very good. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:35:41] >> Okay. Um nothing from emergency

[1:35:44] management.

[1:35:45] Uh Dorl, I see you are online.

[1:35:50] Hi everybody.

[1:35:52] I uh just want to say can you hear me?

[1:35:55] >> Yes sir.

[1:35:56] >> I just want to appreciate the work

[1:35:59] you've done this evening. Uh appreciate

[1:36:03] all of your service to the city, each of

[1:36:05] you. Um I was really impressed this

[1:36:09] evening with your intelligence of

[1:36:12] choosing a Chevy over a Ford. So uh

[1:36:19] No,

[1:36:20] >> it ain't done yet, buddy.

[1:36:22] >> No, with that,

[1:36:23] >> Dorl, you're talking about 911 dispatch,

[1:36:26] please.

[1:36:28] >> Stay in your lane.

[1:36:31] >> It's time. It's time for me to be quiet

[1:36:33] now. Thank you.

[1:36:35] >> Thank you, Dorl.

[1:36:37] >> Okay. Uh we'll move on to uh the mayor

[1:36:40] and council reports. Uh Mag and Cog for

[1:36:44] me. I've got that meeting on Thursday,

[1:36:46] so nothing to report now. Um, we've also

[1:36:49] had holiday breaks um for those

[1:36:51] meetings. Uh, I had my board meeting for

[1:36:54] SCSD this morning. Um,

[1:36:57] there's a number of things going on, but

[1:36:59] I don't think there's anything that's

[1:37:00] really drastically affecting um the

[1:37:03] city. Uh, though we had a fabulous month

[1:37:07] last month with uh SCSD. The electric

[1:37:12] came in at like Usually we're paying

[1:37:15] around 10 to 15 cents per kilowatt. Um

[1:37:20] and we were down to like seven. Um which

[1:37:23] really helps. So Jody, when we get the

[1:37:25] bill for the water pump, there won't be

[1:37:28] the AP whatever e on it. So that will

[1:37:32] help also with city costs and in that

[1:37:35] front. So,

[1:37:37] uh, the dry tree trans the dry creek

[1:37:40] transfer station also, um, nothing

[1:37:42] really to report there beyond the fact

[1:37:45] that we did get the full fire report in

[1:37:47] my last board meeting there.

[1:37:49] >> Um, and it's

[1:37:53] phenomenal. They've got some sprinkler

[1:37:55] heads that they have to replace because

[1:37:57] they went off. Um, they're a one use

[1:38:00] item. Um, and we had literally probably

[1:38:04] a hole about this big melted in the

[1:38:06] peret.

[1:38:08] >> And then we had a few windows that

[1:38:10] melted, but we've got a that's our

[1:38:12] biggest cost is we had a defective

[1:38:15] >> uh windows issue,

[1:38:16] >> the skylights.

[1:38:18] >> That's got to be a big cost to figure

[1:38:20] that out with

[1:38:20] >> and that will but that we only had one

[1:38:23] damage by the fire.

[1:38:25] >> Yeah, but it showed it showed a defect

[1:38:28] and that's what we're going to have to

[1:38:30] deal. That's not a a fire problem. It

[1:38:33] was just given to us. We learned about

[1:38:36] it because of the fire. Uh personnel. Um

[1:38:39] I wanted to let you guys know that uh

[1:38:42] myself, Jody, Lori, and Charlene will be

[1:38:45] having a meeting on the 25th here. Um

[1:38:48] where we are going to be going through

[1:38:51] all things finance. um every single type

[1:38:54] of transaction that we go through, what

[1:38:56] is our procedures, policies, checks and

[1:38:59] balances, every single thing. We're

[1:39:01] going to be writing SOPs on every single

[1:39:03] thing. Um

[1:39:05] and so we're Jod I know is really

[1:39:08] excited for an all day meeting. Um but

[1:39:11] that is going to be a fabulous one um

[1:39:14] from a personnel standpoint. uh we will

[1:39:17] then report all of that to you guys so

[1:39:20] that you guys can see that work um and

[1:39:22] understand that and we'll get you a

[1:39:23] policies and procedures document as a

[1:39:26] deliverable meeting

[1:39:27] >> as as you're doing that I would like to

[1:39:30] you know and I brought it up before I'd

[1:39:31] like to see um

[1:39:35] if it's possible like to see more

[1:39:37] clarity and I would be willing to

[1:39:41] um

[1:39:43] entertain more help for the staff in

[1:39:47] here to give us that clarity. Um, if

[1:39:51] that would help so that we can list, you

[1:39:55] know, when I talked about credit card

[1:39:56] expenses and things like that, I get

[1:39:58] that our staff is is really really full,

[1:40:02] especially with with the changes that

[1:40:05] you've made. Um, and and if it's time to

[1:40:08] bring on another part-time person, um,

[1:40:11] whatever it is, I'd like to see, you

[1:40:13] know, Jod's been great

[1:40:17] >> because at any time you can come in.

[1:40:19] >> I I know I know I can, but I'd like to I with with my current job, I'm I'm not

[1:40:27] here a lot.

[1:40:29] >> Scan all those in with the receipts. So,

[1:40:31] that would just be a request to Lori.

[1:40:36] Okay. And and if that's if that's what

[1:40:37] we we do, you know, just so we can look

[1:40:39] at I know you're planning to get us to,

[1:40:42] you know, our our individual where we're

[1:40:44] all digging in a little bit deeper in in

[1:40:46] certain areas. Um but I would be willing

[1:40:50] to, you know,

[1:40:54] to take some of the load off if if

[1:40:57] possible because I hate making requests

[1:40:59] to you guys because I know you're busy.

[1:41:01] I know I still do, but

[1:41:03] >> your job is to make those requests.

[1:41:06] >> I know. I know that

[1:41:07] >> their job is to respond. So, it was kind

[1:41:10] of like we had an email with our

[1:41:11] attorney today, right? And you know,

[1:41:13] Jody was being kind and apologized that

[1:41:15] he had, you know, look at something else

[1:41:17] and his response was the same I'll give

[1:41:19] to you. You know, this is my job. You

[1:41:22] don't need to apologize. I

[1:41:24] >> I get it, but I also don't want to

[1:41:26] overwhelm unnecessarily.

[1:41:28] >> If you do, I will let you know. And

[1:41:30] that's what I'm I'm saying is I I for

[1:41:33] one would be willing to entertain

[1:41:36] additional help because I know that when

[1:41:37] I come in here they're busy and and I

[1:41:39] know I take up a lot of time and I'm

[1:41:42] guessing everybody does the same thing

[1:41:44] and

[1:41:45] >> no it's just you.

[1:41:46] >> It's just me.

[1:41:48] >> It's just you.

[1:41:50] >> So no noted. So that's I I do you know

[1:41:54] as you're as you guys are talking and as

[1:41:56] you're digging into SOPs and stuff like

[1:41:58] that if it becomes overwhelming I'd be I

[1:42:01] as as on as a council member would be

[1:42:04] willing to entertain more help in the

[1:42:08] city

[1:42:09] if if needed. I that's what I'm that's

[1:42:11] what I'm trying to say here. If it's

[1:42:12] needed

[1:42:14] >> and I think right now actually our

[1:42:15] workload

[1:42:17] balance is pretty darn good. Um, and as

[1:42:19] we get Charlene more integrated, um,

[1:42:23] we're going to pull a little bit more

[1:42:24] off of, for instance, Lori, um, and put

[1:42:27] it on Charlene. Uh, so we'll be able to

[1:42:30] figure all that out. So, I'm currently

[1:42:32] in the process of working on everybody's

[1:42:35] loads and making sure they're they're

[1:42:38] leveled as much.

[1:42:39] >> And that's that's kind of what I'm

[1:42:40] saying is

[1:42:41] >> I don't do that. I just I'm I'm willing to look at

[1:42:47] whatever needs to be done to make sure

[1:42:48] the city runs as well as we can.

[1:42:50] >> Of course. Yep. And as we get to those

[1:42:52] needs, if I know your guys' skill sets,

[1:42:55] I'll I'll pull on this for sure. Thank

[1:42:57] you. Um as for legal, no update there.

[1:43:00] So, Council Member Hutchings, Water.

[1:43:02] >> So, uh we did not meet with Mount Nebo

[1:43:05] and they had actually canceled Zumba,

[1:43:07] but they decided there was things that

[1:43:09] we actually had to get through. So they put a a virtual meeting together.

[1:43:14] Um and just for everybody's

[1:43:17] thought, we we they voted on our our

[1:43:21] contributions to SUVA. Um basically

[1:43:23] we're if I remember right, I was going

[1:43:25] to bring it, but didn't have time to go

[1:43:27] home. Um I believe we're about 1.25%.

[1:43:30] Um and we've stayed there. It's it's

[1:43:32] exactly the same that it was last year.

[1:43:34] I checked that. Um, but they're looking

[1:43:38] and and we've talked about it before,

[1:43:40] but now it's getting a little bit more

[1:43:42] serious um at dissolving SUMA

[1:43:48] um and rolling those possibly rolling

[1:43:52] this the stuff that Suma does into Mount

[1:43:55] Nebo and Central.

[1:43:57] There are a few

[1:43:59] things that they have to look at. So,

[1:44:01] they're going to be relying on the

[1:44:02] technical committee, which Ted is on

[1:44:03] that technical committee. Um, so they're

[1:44:05] going to be pulling that in our next

[1:44:07] meeting and and officially setting that

[1:44:09] up to to have the technical committee

[1:44:11] start working on can we still cover

[1:44:15] everything in Sumba

[1:44:18] through Mount Nebo. Um, and the the

[1:44:22] outlier is Springville. Springville is

[1:44:24] not in Mount Nebo. Um and then there are

[1:44:27] some you know selling of water is one of

[1:44:30] the reasons we we've got suma is selling

[1:44:32] those water shares to each other

[1:44:35] basically trading not making money on

[1:44:36] them. Nobody's making money on them but

[1:44:38] being able to to do that and we needed a

[1:44:41] legal way to do that and central is

[1:44:42] happy to help work with us on that is

[1:44:45] one of the things that we talked about.

[1:44:46] Um also I I've given Charlene's

[1:44:50] information to them. They're they're

[1:44:54] now getting through the year end stuff

[1:44:57] and they're looking to to take that load

[1:44:59] off of off of uh Sanquin who who helped

[1:45:02] us out.

[1:45:03] >> Um so uh I' I've given her information

[1:45:07] and and Spanish force given some

[1:45:08] information as well on we're we're

[1:45:12] looking for a new new person to take

[1:45:14] over finance because our current one is

[1:45:16] retired and and we have to have to get

[1:45:20] something new. So I told them and they

[1:45:21] were interested with Charlene.

[1:45:23] Charlene's interested. I've spoken with

[1:45:24] her. So those are my updates. Oh,

[1:45:27] planning commission. We've got a meeting

[1:45:29] coming up. I think I missed our last

[1:45:32] meeting. Um but uh I don't I don't have

[1:45:37] anything beyond what what Wayne has

[1:45:43] » um associations.

[1:45:46] Okay. So I'm going to these every couple

[1:45:48] of weeks.

[1:45:50] What does the council, what does the

[1:45:52] public care to hear? Like

[1:45:54] >> any shifts or changes or concerns that

[1:45:57] they're having for relationships with

[1:45:59] cities? Um, anything like that is kind

[1:46:03] of my thought on

[1:46:04] >> trends that would affect this.

[1:46:07] >> Yeah. Housing shortages, trying to get

[1:46:10] more state versus city control. That's

[1:46:12] kind of what the the push is for

[1:46:15] constantly. So are they so these two

[1:46:19] organizations are pushing they're one of

[1:46:22] the big ones pushing for the state to

[1:46:25] >> zoning

[1:46:25] >> take everything away from us correct

[1:46:28] >> and are you to sit there and push

[1:46:30] against them

[1:46:33] both sides fully that way but it's it's

[1:46:36] more committee meetings I I serve on the

[1:46:38] government affairs side which is totally

[1:46:40] appropriate so um Salem actually has

[1:46:44] representation there vineyard

[1:46:46] Um so yeah there are a lot of cities

[1:46:48] that are there saying hey this is what

[1:46:50] we can do. What I feel there's more an

[1:46:53] air of during those is uh collaboration

[1:46:55] and hey this is why we do what we do.

[1:46:58] This is what our threats are and so we

[1:47:00] kind of come to the point during those

[1:47:02] meetings of hey this isn't a problem we

[1:47:06] need to worry about putting our time

[1:47:08] into.

[1:47:09] >> If you ever perceive or hear anything

[1:47:11] there you're like that's a really good

[1:47:12] idea and it's different than what we're

[1:47:14] doing.

[1:47:15] let us know. And that can be, you know,

[1:47:17] on the staff side or that can be in this

[1:47:20] meeting, whichever works.

[1:47:21] >> It's kind of similar what Carrie does

[1:47:23] with the legislator. She keeps an eye on

[1:47:25] things and whispers ideas in people's

[1:47:27] ears and tries to get things started

[1:47:29] when

[1:47:30] >> Yeah.

[1:47:30] >> to protect small communities.

[1:47:33] >> Yeah. No, that makes sense. So, I'll

[1:47:35] report accordingly, but but nothing meaningful. I mean, I think the

[1:47:39] biggest topics of all continue to be

[1:47:41] housing shortages and affordability and

[1:47:45] so there's just a lot of pushes from

[1:47:47] every angle to get um more housing and

[1:47:50] more affordable housing.

[1:47:51] >> Are they pushing then for higher

[1:47:53] density? You say affordable.

[1:47:55] >> Yeah.

[1:47:56] >> Uh yeah, I mean that that's definitely one of the pieces

[1:47:59] because if you look at development land

[1:48:02] is by by far the largest percent cost of

[1:48:08] So,

[1:48:09] of a new home. Um, and land sellers are

[1:48:14] getting what they want out of it. They

[1:48:15] can still keep doing it. But, uh, I I

[1:48:18] think that, you know, there are a couple

[1:48:20] cities where permit fees, impact fees,

[1:48:23] those are all being evaluated constantly

[1:48:25] by the state, which is which is good

[1:48:27] because there are some cities

[1:48:28] >> you have to go through that. And that's

[1:48:30] when a lot of times builders will say,

[1:48:31] "Well, this city has such high impact

[1:48:33] fees, but by law, we have to go through

[1:48:35] that process and we can't charge more

[1:48:37] than than um we need." And so although

[1:48:42] it it's different for each city, it does

[1:48:44] go through the process. One of the

[1:48:46] things that I think is interesting is

[1:48:48] that they say they want um that there's

[1:48:51] a housing shortage and they want more

[1:48:52] affordable housing, but they're not

[1:48:54] building that.

[1:48:55] >> That's not what they're building, no

[1:48:55] matter what the lot size is. the um a

[1:48:58] study just came out. Utah has the second

[1:49:01] um largest homes in the nation.

[1:49:04] Wyoming's first and we're second. And

[1:49:06] so, um, is there really a demand for

[1:49:09] that or is it just that, oh, we want the

[1:49:13] high density or we want these large

[1:49:15] homes and there's no middle ground. That

[1:49:17] missing middle is what really what we

[1:49:19] talk about a lot at the league meetings

[1:49:22] and um if are are developers willing to

[1:49:25] look at that missing middle?

[1:49:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. Developers absolutely are.

[1:49:30] In fact, as a developer, I prefer

[1:49:33] the more affordable. I prefer smaller,

[1:49:35] more volume because that's it's it's the

[1:49:38] Walmart philosophy. I want to build more

[1:49:41] um less cost rather than huge. Now there

[1:49:44] are the customs that want to do the big

[1:49:46] huge stuff, but most of the production

[1:49:49] builders, the Dr. Horts, the Lenards,

[1:49:51] the David Weeklys, um those are all

[1:49:54] looking at the same format. If they can

[1:49:56] get density, they will take that all day

[1:49:58] long. That density is what provides them

[1:50:00] the affordability. Because again, if I

[1:50:03] buy um an acre for 500,000

[1:50:07] and I can only put two houses on that,

[1:50:10] then it's a very different cost analysis

[1:50:13] than if I can put six to eight on it,

[1:50:15] same acre, right? And so I can't absorb

[1:50:18] that same 500,000 across six to eight,

[1:50:21] I'm now absorbing that across

[1:50:23] >> one or two.

[1:50:24] >> So, so, so there's two sides of it. And I understand that a lot of that

[1:50:28] comes from, hey, we we want to protect

[1:50:31] our density. We want to protect our open

[1:50:32] space. It's how do we do that

[1:50:34] strategically? And we're going to be

[1:50:36] having a lot of those discussions as

[1:50:38] more and more eyeballs hit this

[1:50:40] flatlands down at the the base where

[1:50:42] we're going to have to be ready to say,

[1:50:44] "No, this isn't functional for our

[1:50:46] city."

[1:50:46] >> And that's one thing that I hear from

[1:50:47] legislators. Oh, you're from Woodland

[1:50:49] Hills. um you're not even trying to help

[1:50:52] with this problem because your zoning

[1:50:55] remains large lots and that's one of the

[1:50:58] things that then the developers will

[1:51:00] keep pushing for statewide zoning so

[1:51:03] that we would have no control over what

[1:51:05] our lot sizes are.

[1:51:06] >> Guess we better get them all built first

[1:51:08] and then

[1:51:10] >> out of room.

[1:51:11] >> Yeah. Out of land.

[1:51:12] >> Out of land. Well, even if they did

[1:51:14] that, if somebody has has an acre and

[1:51:17] they've built on one side of their acre,

[1:51:19] then they would be able to subdivide and

[1:51:21] build on the other half with this new

[1:51:23] law if it came to be. So,

[1:51:26] >> a lot more subdivisions,

[1:51:27] >> everybody in the middle.

[1:51:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. And and so it's a balance,

[1:51:31] but it's a constant conversation. And

[1:51:33] so, again, we we just want to be

[1:51:35] prepared because if we know what we're

[1:51:37] up against, we'll be able to prepare

[1:51:38] what's best for the city. If we're not,

[1:51:40] we're going to get blindsided by

[1:51:41] somebody sneaks in and tells us what

[1:51:44] today or

[1:51:45] >> Yeah.

[1:51:47] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh council.

[1:51:50] >> Um I haven't met with the finance

[1:51:53] committee or PTR, so I don't have

[1:51:56] anything there. Uh just events. Um we

[1:52:00] got Woodland Hills Days coming up. It's

[1:52:02] always something. I think we're doing

[1:52:04] pretty good. There's a lot of us, so

[1:52:06] it's really nice. Um Dan and I are

[1:52:10] working on that together. And then we

[1:52:13] have four committee chair people that

[1:52:16] are splitting it and then they all have

[1:52:18] their people that are helping with

[1:52:20] everything. So I think it's good.

[1:52:22] >> It's nice to see that there's more

[1:52:24] people involved.

[1:52:25] >> Yeah.

[1:52:25] And I um Tim and Hillary, you

[1:52:29] know, Hillary's trying to level a few

[1:52:31] things up and make it nicer and she's

[1:52:33] kind of taking taking it by the horns,

[1:52:36] so to speak, and I like that. And um and

[1:52:39] so yeah, it's good. Um, we had an idea

[1:52:42] presented and I texted it around and I'm

[1:52:46] going to bring it up here because I want

[1:52:48] Brian to have

[1:52:49] >> kill me.

[1:52:50] >> I haven't told anybody yet. I was

[1:52:52] asking.

[1:52:53] >> Well, there was an idea and the the

[1:52:56] problem with the idea was the in the

[1:52:59] drought year people are worried about

[1:53:00] the water usage and how that would

[1:53:02] appear.

[1:53:05] So, there were some alternative ideas

[1:53:07] presented.

[1:53:08] >> Okay.

[1:53:09] um that we could talk about, but um

[1:53:12] yeah,

[1:53:14] it the thought was maybe a rubber ducky

[1:53:16] derby of some description, which would

[1:53:18] be so fun.

[1:53:19] >> Salem does something like that.

[1:53:21] >> Yeah, but Salem's got

[1:53:22] >> the bond.

[1:53:23] >> I I get all of it. I saw something

[1:53:27] >> so freaking

[1:53:30] >> I saw something that was I thought was a good something we could do.

[1:53:37] >> But if people are are against it, then

[1:53:40] >> they're not against it. They're just

[1:53:41] worried about how it would look during a

[1:53:44] high drought water shortage year. There

[1:53:48] was there was

[1:53:49] >> it's not a massive amount of water. I

[1:53:50] mean, we're a few hundred gallons.

[1:53:53] >> I know. Um, somebody suggested maybe uh

[1:53:57] like a a bouncy ball one though, like

[1:54:00] with bouncy balls.

[1:54:01] >> I mean, anything anything works. I just

[1:54:02] saw like, hey, we can actually do that.

[1:54:05] Everybody does those around here.

[1:54:09] » No to fire hose. Just dump water out of

[1:54:12] it back.

[1:54:14] >> You set them all up and then you dump

[1:54:15] them

[1:54:16] >> and then you set it out and see

[1:54:18] >> have a water. It would be so fun. I

[1:54:20] think it would be really fun. Um, and

[1:54:21] the thought and I it was my thought that

[1:54:23] maybe that could be like a fundraiser or

[1:54:25] something for the fire department. Uh,

[1:54:28] but

[1:54:29] maybe not this year, but I I think it

[1:54:33] could be a good idea for next year if

[1:54:34] it's if we have a little more water. Um,

[1:54:37] and I yeah, I don't really have any

[1:54:39] concerns there. Um, we do need to get

[1:54:41] some more advertising going. I think

[1:54:44] we're all feeling a little stretched,

[1:54:45] but

[1:54:46] >> but we're still getting it all done.

[1:54:48] >> So, advertisements. All advertisements

[1:54:51] going forward are going to be specific

[1:54:52] to specific elements of it. So, we'll

[1:54:55] have something specific for car shows,

[1:54:56] something specific for rather than just

[1:54:58] generic over and over and over. Uh we do

[1:55:01] want to draw focus towards specific

[1:55:02] things that we do up there that might

[1:55:04] draw maybe somebody will come up

[1:55:06] specifically for the the marketplace

[1:55:09] like you know the craft shop stuff. Some

[1:55:11] might come up specifically for the uh

[1:55:13] the car show. just something to

[1:55:17] hopefully draw just enough interest from

[1:55:19] somebody to come up and then experience

[1:55:20] everything else. So, I think that would

[1:55:21] be ideal. Um, and we don't want to

[1:55:24] overburden the city pages, but it's our

[1:55:28] big event, so you're going to probably

[1:55:29] as we roll up to it, it'll get more and

[1:55:31] more.

[1:55:32] >> Um, let's hit it hard.

[1:55:33] >> Yeah. The the one the one thing that I

[1:55:36] think we should probably bring up at

[1:55:37] some point, we've been a small

[1:55:38] community, still are a very small

[1:55:40] community, and we've always offered the

[1:55:41] hot dogs for free. We're starting to see

[1:55:44] in some of our events more and more uh

[1:55:46] people are bringing up their families

[1:55:49] and their grandkids and you know it's be the family of seven that used to

[1:55:53] come or the family of six that used to

[1:55:54] come is now larger. Um Hillary

[1:55:58] specifically is trying to get um more

[1:56:01] marketplace people to bring up and

[1:56:02] hopefully draw additional nonwen Hills

[1:56:06] residents to the Wen Hills event. Um, at

[1:56:09] some point I think we're gonna have to

[1:56:10] look at whether we're going to continue

[1:56:12] to offer free dinner.

[1:56:13] >> We started charging last year,

[1:56:14] >> right? But I I'm not sure how we're

[1:56:16] executing.

[1:56:17] >> It was by um

[1:56:18] >> donation.

[1:56:19] >> It was honor on your

[1:56:20] >> honor system. Okay. I had my sister and

[1:56:23] I paid for her.

[1:56:24] >> Wait, what did we charge? Five bucks.

[1:56:26] >> Five bucks a meal.

[1:56:27] >> All right.

[1:56:27] >> And I thought it worked

[1:56:28] >> out. Okay.

[1:56:29] >> I thought it worked good. We raised I

[1:56:31] mean we didn't raise a ton, but we

[1:56:32] raised I want to say three or $400.

[1:56:35] >> It was just Venmo, right? Or who was it?

[1:56:37] Venmo and I had a sign and I could we

[1:56:39] could make a we could make a better sign

[1:56:41] so that it's a little more prominent

[1:56:42] because it was just in one of those

[1:56:44] paper

[1:56:45] >> right

[1:56:46] >> I was thinking also put it because the

[1:56:47] line gets really long maybe put it at

[1:56:49] the back so people when they first get

[1:56:51] in line they can just scan it right then

[1:56:53] instead of waiting till

[1:56:54] >> or have it two or three times.

[1:56:55] >> Yeah instead of just waiting at the end.

[1:56:58] >> Yeah. So anyway, I was just thinking

[1:56:59] about that. I mean I I don't really care

[1:57:01] about it being a money razor. I just

[1:57:03] want to make sure that as as we start to

[1:57:04] get more demand that

[1:57:06] >> that they're that we're not

[1:57:07] >> it's not a burden.

[1:57:08] >> Yeah. Well, we're not just feeding a

[1:57:09] bunch of randos who come up for free

[1:57:11] dinner and don't really want to

[1:57:12] participate in the city. They're just

[1:57:13] looking for a free dinner.

[1:57:15] >> Um

[1:57:15] >> especially Jay dogs.

[1:57:17] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

[1:57:18] >> J, right?

[1:57:18] >> But you know, so anyway, just just food

[1:57:21] for thought um of how to execute

[1:57:23] something like that a little bit. Um, so

[1:57:26] >> I have one other thing just um where if

[1:57:29] we're going to do the pavers and want

[1:57:30] maybe want people to sign up and have a

[1:57:32] booth at Woodland Hills Days, maybe we

[1:57:34] could have more at the booth like maybe

[1:57:36] it could be I was thinking maybe kind of

[1:57:38] a city booth where you could have that

[1:57:41] but maybe have some other things like

[1:57:43] maybe just some information about what's

[1:57:45] going on in the community because people

[1:57:46] always say they don't know what's going

[1:57:48] on and maybe the mayor could be at or

[1:57:52] around the booth to answer questions.

[1:57:54] if people question

[1:57:56] >> a mayor dump tank ask a question throw a

[1:57:58] ball

[1:58:00] >> I'm just saying

[1:58:01] >> be a good idea

[1:58:02] >> maybe just to have

[1:58:04] >> 100 degrees I'm

[1:58:05] >> just to maybe just to give people the

[1:58:07] opportunity to find out oh you know we

[1:58:10] have all these things we have a

[1:58:11] newsletter and we have the messages that

[1:58:14] go out and we have all the things and

[1:58:16] still people say they don't know what's

[1:58:17] going on

[1:58:18] >> yeah have a have a QR code that goes to

[1:58:21] the city web page in the community web

[1:58:24] page,

[1:58:24] >> some kind of like littleformational

[1:58:26] booth, but then also have the papers for

[1:58:28] the

[1:58:29] >> I just thought maybe a city booth would

[1:58:31] be a good idea.

[1:58:31] >> It's not a bad idea.

[1:58:33] >> I love the idea of getting people over

[1:58:35] there

[1:58:36] >> by having the dunk take for the mayor

[1:58:38] would be excit

[1:58:42] » we're just going to have one person in

[1:58:43] there.

[1:58:44] >> You have to ask a question to

[1:58:46] >> You have to ask a question and then you

[1:58:47] get to have a throw.

[1:58:50] No, no, no.

[1:58:53] >> I'll be busy cooking Jay Dos.

[1:58:55] >> Um,

[1:58:58] >> standing behind him watching him doing,

[1:58:59] "Hey, are you guys doing good?" I do, I

[1:59:01] do have one thing to bring up u that I

[1:59:03] don't know if just you and I, but um

[1:59:05] it's the is it the United Way uh like

[1:59:09] the week of service day of service this

[1:59:11] week

[1:59:11] >> on the on September 10th.

[1:59:13] >> On the 10th. Okay. So, I think it's like

[1:59:15] the eth 10th or whatever. Thursday.

[1:59:16] >> Yeah. It's always the day before. So, um

[1:59:19] >> I did have a youth group ask if the city

[1:59:23] needed help to prepare the park for

[1:59:24] Woodland Hills stays as part of that

[1:59:26] service.

[1:59:26] >> Absolutely.

[1:59:27] >> Trimming and weeding and whatever else

[1:59:29] for the city.

[1:59:30] >> I know planning on doing something.

[1:59:33] >> Um I know our ward is trying to figure

[1:59:36] out something. So,

[1:59:39] >> let's try and get that coordinated. So,

[1:59:41] if you could send all of those because

[1:59:45] Ted has nothing to do.

[1:59:46] >> Yes.

[1:59:47] >> Send those to Ted and he

[1:59:51] >> the day of service.

[1:59:52] >> Day of service. We just have a lot of

[1:59:53] youth in the in the area needing a

[1:59:56] something for service and I thought they

[1:59:57] might be able to help at the park

[2:00:00] weeding

[2:00:02] >> I've had to reach out as well.

[2:00:04] >> I feel like we have somebody up there

[2:00:06] doing that every year.

[2:00:08] I had a call from

[2:00:10] >> Yeah.

[2:00:11] >> asking about some ideas.

[2:00:13] >> I I gave him a bunch of ideas and then

[2:00:15] referred him to Janet

[2:00:18] >> Sheriff

[2:00:19] >> to maybe talk to Park.

[2:00:22] >> Maybe

[2:00:23] >> we try and coordinate.

[2:00:26] >> I think Well, I think they're all

[2:00:28] looking for for it. So, we might as well

[2:00:29] just get

[2:00:30] >> Let's get 80 kids up there and they'll

[2:00:32] make quick. Is that something we could I

[2:00:34] think we asked we had parks and recck do

[2:00:36] that before and kind of help coordinate

[2:00:38] that. Was that

[2:00:40] >> I think there's lots of good I think

[2:00:41] there's lots of stuff we could

[2:00:44] >> I helped coordinate.

[2:00:45] >> What about at the beginning of the city

[2:00:47] too like at the mailboxes in that area

[2:00:49] because we're not in construction but

[2:00:51] that might be a good place to clean up

[2:00:53] for too for when people

[2:00:54] >> delegate when they're never in the city.

[2:00:58] And then mayor, just real quickly, um,

[2:01:00] for Woodland Hills Days, are we going to

[2:01:01] be able to have the flags available? All

[2:01:04] the flags that we've put up on.

[2:01:06] >> All right. I'm gonna I've got something

[2:01:08] working with the flag ceremony that I

[2:01:11] would like to maybe

[2:01:13] >> um it also

[2:01:16] >> help me think, but it is the the 25th

[2:01:19] anniversary of September 11th.

[2:01:22] >> Uh, it might be

[2:01:24] >> we have America 250. We have the 25th

[2:01:27] anniversary of 911. We have your

[2:01:30] birthday. So, we could have a lot of

[2:01:31] celebrations going on at the same time.

[2:01:34] >> I got a birthday this year, too.

[2:01:35] >> Yeah, exactly.

[2:01:36] >> I just had one.

[2:01:39] >> Yeah.

[2:01:40] >> Okay. All right.

[2:01:41] >> Just I'm just saying. So, we should make

[2:01:43] it special like a moment of silence or

[2:01:45] something.

[2:01:46] >> Yeah. Well, the the flag ceremony

[2:01:47] actually does have something to do with

[2:01:48] September 11th, even though it'll be on

[2:01:50] the 12th, but

[2:01:52] >> we've got we've got something lined up.

[2:01:54] We hopefully it turns out we're waiting

[2:01:55] on two musicians to commit. It could be

[2:01:58] kind of special.

[2:01:58] >> Maybe we could do a moment of silence on

[2:02:05] » moment.

[2:02:06] >> Yes.

[2:02:06] >> Um talk about a city booth. How about

[2:02:10] playing a video in there for people to

[2:02:14] watch and you could we can count the

[2:02:16] years that uh we've been in existence

[2:02:20] and and just make a little comment.

[2:02:23] celebration there and play that video

[2:02:25] for those who may not have seen it.

[2:02:27] >> If the link's still available,

[2:02:29] >> show the link.

[2:02:30] >> Yeah, because it's on the city.

[2:02:31] >> We just get a a star link up there to

[2:02:33] stream it if we need to for from

[2:02:35] YouTube. I know.

[2:02:40] » Um, one other thing too that u you

[2:02:42] mentioned the time of the city. One of

[2:02:44] the staff shirt designs I have is the

[2:02:48] year that city was incorporated and it's

[2:02:50] kind of got like this cool little design

[2:02:52] on it. All

[2:02:53] right.

[2:02:54] >> One thing at Salem days, um, they all

[2:02:57] the council and the mayor had matching

[2:03:01] shirts.

[2:03:01] >> Yes.

[2:03:02] >> So, they were easily identifiable.

[2:03:05] >> Um, I think that

[2:03:06] >> that be

[2:03:07] >> extremely helpful for just

[2:03:09] >> Should that be different than staff the

[2:03:11] staff shirts of of

[2:03:13] >> I think so.

[2:03:15] >> Okay. Because I was I was going to have

[2:03:16] the staff and like some

[2:03:17] >> those are for Toby.

[2:03:19] >> Maybe different

[2:03:20] >> like a red for staff and then maybe for

[2:03:22] a council member.

[2:03:23] >> Theirs were like the freaking American

[2:03:26] flag. Like they were bright.

[2:03:28] >> Um t-shirt.

[2:03:30] >> I was think t-shirt.

[2:03:31] >> No, they were kind of like a

[2:03:33] >> like Yeah, I was I think something

[2:03:35] >> cut like I think Steves with that

[2:03:37] >> that double

[2:03:39] >> cuff on. I think that would be nice

[2:03:40] because like at the America 250 there

[2:03:42] were people but I didn't know like and I

[2:03:44] was just talking to them and then they said, "Well, what's your name?" And

[2:03:47] I told them and they were like, "Oh."

[2:03:49] Because they didn't know I was city

[2:03:51] council person.

[2:03:52] >> I'm just saying it was a little bit like

[2:03:54] >> other thing too that we we had a quite a

[2:03:56] few years ago was we had um name badges

[2:03:59] made that weren't just write your name

[2:04:01] on a thing, but actually name badges we

[2:04:03] could wear whenever we were doing public

[2:04:04] events or going to some of our board

[2:04:06] meetings or they were magnetic pin these

[2:04:10] to

[2:04:10] >> our they were magnetic. Um um and so you

[2:04:14] could just put them on whatever shirt

[2:04:15] you were wearing because of the magnet.

[2:04:17] It wasn't pin on and they were really

[2:04:19] nice badges and they said council person

[2:04:22] and it had our logo on it and so we

[2:04:24] could wear it so people could see our

[2:04:25] name right when they were talking to us

[2:04:27] and recognize who we were. So it might

[2:04:29] be beneficial to get the matching shirt

[2:04:31] and a new name badge.

[2:04:33] >> I think that makes a lot of sense. But I

[2:04:35] do like the magnetic ones because when

[2:04:37] we're wearing other clothes, you don't

[2:04:39] always want to put a pin through it.

[2:04:42] >> Perfect. Okay. Anything else, Janet?

[2:04:44] >> That's it.

[2:04:45] >> Okay. Council message.

[2:04:47] >> My turn. Um, we had our South Alley um

[2:04:51] animal shelter meeting today. Lots lots

[2:04:54] went on. Um, I did send a flyer to Janet

[2:04:58] and Jody about putting um something in

[2:05:01] the newsletter. They're having a big

[2:05:03] event on September 24th. Um it always is

[2:05:07] um a lot of people come can adopt pets,

[2:05:09] etc. Um the other things that we talked

[2:05:12] about was um we approved um an agreement

[2:05:17] with Utah County for legal services.

[2:05:19] There's been an increase in legal

[2:05:21] services. Um and so we've done that and that was good. Um, also Spring Lake,

[2:05:28] as you know, just incorporated um and

[2:05:30] has a new mayor and council and they've

[2:05:32] asked to join. So, they're going to be

[2:05:34] joining soon there. And because of that,

[2:05:37] then we're going to update the existing

[2:05:40] interlocal agreements with all the

[2:05:41] participating partners. Probably won't

[2:05:43] change much, but since now we have some

[2:05:45] legal counsel, they can look that over,

[2:05:47] make sure everything's in compliance

[2:05:48] with state law, etc. Um,

[2:05:52] the other thing is, um,

[2:05:56] got to look through my notes here. Um,

[2:05:58] we had a 95% save rate for dogs and 87%

[2:06:02] save rate for cats for the month of

[2:06:04] July. Um, those that are not saved are

[2:06:08] mostly those who have been injured or

[2:06:10] who are really sick. If an animal comes

[2:06:12] in that is aggressive and is in there

[2:06:14] because they've been biting people, they

[2:06:17] can't um, adopt them out. Um and so

[2:06:20] there are some other issues. Um we're

[2:06:23] also working on um

[2:06:27] there's a big issue that's happening

[2:06:29] right now and it's kind of like the

[2:06:31] equivalent to human trafficking but with

[2:06:33] animals from other states that are

[2:06:35] coming through and Department of

[2:06:37] Agriculture is supposed to be stopping

[2:06:39] them at the border and they're supposed

[2:06:41] to be showing the paperwork that they

[2:06:42] have their shots and they have

[2:06:43] everything and and it's good and they

[2:06:45] can come to our state. The problem is is

[2:06:47] that we don't know where they go and a

[2:06:50] lot of them don't stop. And so there was

[2:06:52] a big influx of of animals that came

[2:06:55] from Texas after a disaster down there.

[2:06:58] And it was found that they had screworm

[2:07:00] and heartworm which are both

[2:07:02] transferable to humans and to other

[2:07:04] animals. And so the vets have seen an

[2:07:07] increase in um in having to euthanize

[2:07:11] some some pets. We haven't got any stats

[2:07:14] on if it's been transferred to people

[2:07:16] yet. Of course, we have medical things

[2:07:18] that can help us get through them. And

[2:07:20] the medical community might not even

[2:07:22] know that it might be because of this.

[2:07:24] There might there'sn't been a

[2:07:25] correlation yet, but um there's no

[2:07:28] accountability right now. And a lot of

[2:07:30] times um the catch and release, they'll

[2:07:34] they stay in neuterm but they don't

[2:07:36] treat their disease. And so they're

[2:07:38] letting them go into the communities.

[2:07:40] And so some of our communities around us

[2:07:43] are noticing an increase in in this um

[2:07:47] this issue. So we're supposed to notice

[2:07:50] if any of our residents call and say my

[2:07:53] dog or my cat's throwing up blood or

[2:07:55] something like that so that um so that

[2:07:58] they the shelter is aware of where this

[2:08:01] might have been spread to. And then um

[2:08:04] working with department of agriculture

[2:08:07] to have some accountability there um

[2:08:10] because it does can affect humans and

[2:08:13] livestock. So some of the livestock out

[2:08:15] on the west side has been affected by

[2:08:18] this. So that's those are the things

[2:08:21] that we talked about. There was an art

[2:08:23] there was um something done by Alex

[2:08:26] Carrero uh a news report about this

[2:08:28] recently and so it's kind of been more

[2:08:31] in the news lately but some people just

[2:08:34] haven't uh noticed but um the animal

[2:08:37] shelter we're doing some some good

[2:08:39] things. We're going to also oh one thing

[2:08:41] I forgot they updated their website and

[2:08:43] they also have a new license website.

[2:08:46] So, if you have licensed your animal

[2:08:48] like you're supposed to and your animal

[2:08:50] is lost, in addition to our Woodland

[2:08:52] Hills page where you can put your

[2:08:54] picture and say, "Has anybody seen my

[2:08:56] dog or my cat?" Um, you can go on there

[2:08:58] and they'll they'll put pictures of

[2:09:00] animals that have been brought in in

[2:09:02] case it's yours. You can just go on that

[2:09:04] website and see the picture and say,

[2:09:06] "Ah, get down there. It's there." And

[2:09:09] so, because not everybody who license

[2:09:11] their cat or dog gets it chipped. If

[2:09:14] it's chipped, they can call you. If it's

[2:09:15] not, then you just have to look. So,

[2:09:18] that was I thought was a good thing.

[2:09:21] >> That's all we have.

[2:09:22] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, council member

[2:09:25] Roden, anything

[2:09:27] update

[2:09:27] >> perfectly there.

[2:09:29] >> Okay. Any items for an upcoming city

[2:09:30] council meeting?

[2:09:32] >> Um, no. The only thing that I wanted to

[2:09:34] bring up is just talking to Sher

[2:09:36] briefly. Sounds like I'm in charge of

[2:09:39] putting together a meeting to talk about

[2:09:40] the fundraiser. So, I'm going to I might

[2:09:43] need some help to do it an official way

[2:09:44] if it's an official meeting, but August

[2:09:47] 31st at 6:30. And I'll probably hold

[2:09:49] that at the pavilion.

[2:09:51] >> Which day?

[2:09:53] >> August 31st.

[2:09:57] » I think it's

[2:10:02] » Oh, that's fine.

[2:10:05] >> Okay. What's

[2:10:08] Who are they? because he's gonna have

[2:10:10] >> It's me.

[2:10:12] >> It's Woodland Hills Day's committee.

[2:10:14] >> Oh, it is. Okay. Um

[2:10:19] >> No, we have this room. I reserve this

[2:10:21] room.

[2:10:21] >> Can you have a different room?

[2:10:23] >> Well, if you're doing PTR, that really

[2:10:25] needs to be And that sounds like who

[2:10:27] you're meeting with.

[2:10:28] >> She doesn't seem to want to do it

[2:10:30] formally.

[2:10:32] So,

[2:10:34] >> she she has to

[2:10:38] She doesn't want ever want to, but she needs to.

[2:10:41] >> Yeah, they need to be a formal meeting.

[2:10:43] I

[2:10:43] >> could you connect it

[2:10:45] >> since it's the same people. Could you

[2:10:47] ask Sher to

[2:10:48] >> PTR meeting?

[2:10:49] >> No, it's not a PTR. It's a Woodland

[2:10:50] Hills day meeting. I thought you said it

[2:10:51] was a PTR meeting.

[2:10:53] >> When is the next PTR meeting?

[2:10:56] >> Can I just be added to the agenda on

[2:10:57] that?

[2:10:57] >> It's supposed to be next week.

[2:11:01] >> I'll be gone next week.

[2:11:05] I haven't seen an agenda or heard

[2:11:07] anything though.

[2:11:08] >> It's supposed to be the 18th. So then

[2:11:10] the next one after that would be

[2:11:14] September 15th

[2:11:15] >> after Woodland Hills Day, which doesn't

[2:11:17] help.

[2:11:18] >> You have to have it in August.

[2:11:21] >> Or we could do maybe we could do the

[2:11:23] 18th.

[2:11:28] » Would that work?

[2:11:29] >> I think sooner is better. So you have

[2:11:31] time to prepare

[2:11:34] >> because I just reserved you a booth.

[2:11:36] >> You did good. Thank you.

[2:11:38] >> So if you could get a agenda

[2:11:41] >> Sure.

[2:11:41] >> to us uh no later than noon on Monday.

[2:11:45] >> Okay.

[2:11:46] >> So August 18th at 6:30 p.m.

[2:11:49] >> Yes.

[2:11:49] >> And here.

[2:11:51] >> Um I was going to do it at the pavilion,

[2:11:52] but we could do it here if that's

[2:11:53] better.

[2:11:54] >> Well, we do it here typically because we

[2:11:56] can record it and required to record

[2:11:59] committee meetings. Got you.

[2:12:05] Okay, thank you. 6:30 work. Is that the

[2:12:07] typical time?

[2:12:09] >> If you want it 6:30, it's otherwise on

[2:12:11] the calendar for 7, but 6:30 is fine.

[2:12:18] » Wonderful. Then we will take a quick

[2:12:21] break here. Um, it is currently 8:12.

[2:12:25] Uh, how about a quick break? Let's be

[2:12:28] back here at 8:15.

[2:12:34] Kobe's.

[2:12:36] >> Okay. Like to call this uh city council

[2:12:38] meeting to order. Uh we are going to

[2:12:40] have an invocation by council member

[2:12:42] Malovich and then a pledge of allegiance

[2:12:45] from the present council member

[2:12:47] Hutchings.

[2:12:49] Our

[2:12:56] dear heavenly father, we're grateful for

[2:12:59] this opportunity we have to meet as a

[2:13:01] city council to discuss the needs and of

[2:13:04] our city. We're grateful for our

[2:13:07] citizens and the the sense of community

[2:13:10] that we have in looking out for each

[2:13:13] other, for being mindful of of each

[2:13:16] other, for the patience, and for the

[2:13:22] um willingness to to come together in

[2:13:25] times of need and in times of

[2:13:28] celebration.

[2:13:29] We're grateful for our community, for

[2:13:32] our mountain, and for the beauty that

[2:13:34] thou has provided for us. Please

[2:13:36] continue to bless us with safety in this

[2:13:39] fire season. We also pray for the

[2:13:42] communities that have been impacted by

[2:13:43] the fires this year and and potential

[2:13:46] flooding that they will

[2:13:49] see some relief soon with the the um

[2:13:52] impending cooler temperatures.

[2:13:56] Please bless us this night that we can

[2:13:59] um discuss and deliberate the needs of

[2:14:03] our city that we can be mindful of of

[2:14:07] those needs and um of the impact they

[2:14:10] have. Help us to make the decision

[2:14:12] that's best for everyone and um that we

[2:14:16] can

[2:14:19] continue to have a quality of life that

[2:14:21] we enjoy here in Woodland Hills.

[2:14:25] God, we're grateful for thy blessings

[2:14:28] upon our city, the safety and the

[2:14:30] mindfulness of our citizens in helping

[2:14:32] us to protect it during this fire

[2:14:34] season. And we say these things in the

[2:14:35] name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

[2:14:39] » Please rise and join with me in saying

[2:14:42] our pledge of allegiance.

[2:14:45] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[2:14:48] United States of America and to the

[2:14:51] republic for which it stands.

[2:14:54] One nation under God, indivisible, with

[2:14:58] liberty and justice for all.

[2:15:03] » Thank you both.

[2:15:05] Okay, we'd like to open the public

[2:15:07] comment section of our meeting. Uh,

[2:15:09] public comments are limited to two

[2:15:11] minutes per person, individual, unless

[2:15:13] otherwise directed by the mayor.

[2:15:15] Comments submitted by email must be

[2:15:17] received by 3 p.m. on the day of the

[2:15:19] meeting. to be included in the official

[2:15:21] record. Emmailed comments will not be

[2:15:23] read aloud during the meeting, but will

[2:15:26] be distributed to the city council and

[2:15:28] included in the meeting's record.

[2:15:30] So, it looks like we've got a couple.

[2:15:33] Diana, anything today?

[2:15:36] Sean, Dorl,

[2:15:39] >> Dorl already made his comment.

[2:15:40] >> Yeah. Yeah, Dored. I'll second that.

[2:15:43] Dor.

[2:15:48] » Okay. With no comment, we will close the public comment section of this

[2:15:51] meeting and we will move to the consent

[2:15:53] agenda. So, an approval for the July

[2:15:57] 14th, 2026 city council meeting minutes.

[2:16:01] >> I'll make a motion.

[2:16:02] >> I have a motion from Council Member Lunt

[2:16:04] and a second by Council Member

[2:16:06] Valkovich. Uh, all in favor?

[2:16:08] >> I.

[2:16:09] >> Uh, any opposed?

[2:16:11] That uh motion passes. Um, we're going

[2:16:14] to now move on to the business items.

[2:16:16] approval of the contract repair of the

[2:16:19] exterior of the city center. Um, it

[2:16:22] seems like you guys are operating under

[2:16:23] last week's appro or last council

[2:16:26] approval.

[2:16:27] >> I think that's sufficient. I'm I'm happy

[2:16:29] to make another

[2:16:31] uh

[2:16:33] >> motion if you would like to. So, I'd

[2:16:36] like to make a motion that uh the that

[2:16:40] we go back with a standard scope of work

[2:16:43] for each of the contractors and give the

[2:16:47] um

[2:16:50] give the approval for

[2:16:53] I don't remember what we had approved

[2:16:55] last time

[2:16:57] >> just that which is budgeted

[2:16:58] >> that what what we budgeted um and give

[2:17:02] that authorization to the mayor. um with

[2:17:06] city c or city staff's approval of of

[2:17:10] updated uh up to that money of updated

[2:17:14] quotes.

[2:17:15] >> But but not oh up up to the so changing

[2:17:18] the the dollar amount because it seemed

[2:17:20] like they all came in over the dollar,

[2:17:22] didn't they?

[2:17:23] >> No, I got the first one to help me

[2:17:25] establish the budget.

[2:17:26] >> Okay.

[2:17:27] >> So that's where that number came from

[2:17:29] and why that first quote came in. So,

[2:17:32] >> and so that's still where we stand on

[2:17:34] that that quote, but as long as we're

[2:17:36] within that budget amount that the mayor

[2:17:39] can make that uh final decision.

[2:17:41] >> Okay. Motion from motion from council

[2:17:44] member Hutchkins.

[2:17:45] >> I'll second.

[2:17:46] >> Council member Rhoden with a second. All

[2:17:48] in favor?

[2:17:50] >> I.

[2:17:50] >> Uh any opposed?

[2:17:53] >> Okay. Uh consideration of notice of

[2:17:55] intent to sell a parcel of land.

[2:17:59] >> Motion. I'll second.

[2:18:01] >> Okay. So, I have a motion from Council

[2:18:03] Member Malovich and a second from

[2:18:05] Council Member John's. All in favor?

[2:18:07] >> I.

[2:18:08] >> Any opposed?

[2:18:10] That motion passes. Um, approval of the

[2:18:13] June 2026 fiscal or financials and check

[2:18:16] dispersements.

[2:18:18] >> I'll make a motion.

[2:18:19] >> So, I have a motion from Council Member

[2:18:21] Jones.

[2:18:22] >> I'll second it.

[2:18:22] >> And I have a second from Council Member

[2:18:24] Lunt. All in favor?

[2:18:26] >> I.

[2:18:27] >> Any opposed?

[2:18:29] That motion passes. Approval of the July

[2:18:31] 2026 financials and check dispersements.

[2:18:34] >> I'll make a motion.

[2:18:35] >> Council member Rhden with the motion.

[2:18:37] >> I'll second.

[2:18:38] >> Council member Hutchkins with a second.

[2:18:40] All in favor?

[2:18:42] >> I.

[2:18:43] >> Any opposed? That motion passes. A

[2:18:46] resolution 2026-45

[2:18:49] dissolving the community development

[2:18:51] committee.

[2:18:52] >> My motion.

[2:18:53] >> Council member Malcolich with a motion.

[2:18:55] >> I'll second it. Council member Lunt with

[2:18:58] the second.

[2:18:58] >> Real quick before we vote on that, we

[2:19:00] can have a little discussion. Can we

[2:19:02] also, and I don't know if this is

[2:19:04] possible, can we also give an official

[2:19:08] um

[2:19:10] thank you to each one of the members of

[2:19:11] that committee.

[2:19:12] >> I have actually written thank you notes

[2:19:14] to each one of

[2:19:15] >> But I want to make sure it's from that

[2:19:17] council and official um that they're

[2:19:20] getting getting that as part of this

[2:19:22] resolution to dissolve.

[2:19:24] >> Yes, we can do it. Thank you. Is that

[2:19:26] okay? Is that Can we follow the same

[2:19:28] motion, you guys?

[2:19:29] >> Yeah. Add that to the motion.

[2:19:31] >> Okay. Is that okay with you, Council

[2:19:33] Member Lyn?

[2:19:34] >> Second.

[2:19:34] >> Yep.

[2:19:35] >> Okay. All in favor?

[2:19:36] >> I.

[2:19:37] >> Any opposed?

[2:19:39] >> Okay. That motion passes. Um I do have

[2:19:43] some things that we need to discuss. Um

[2:19:45] if you guys are willing to go into a

[2:19:47] close session pursuant to Utah code uh

[2:19:50] 52-4-205

[2:19:53] uh 1. Um, and that is concerning uh uh

[2:19:57] potential legal.

[2:19:58] >> I'll make a motion.

[2:20:00] >> So, I have a motion from Council Member

[2:20:01] Hutchings.

[2:20:02] >> Second.

[2:20:03] >> Uh, I have a second from Council Member

[2:20:05] John's. Council member Malovich,

[2:20:07] >> yes.

[2:20:08] >> Council member Jones,

[2:20:09] >> yes.

[2:20:09] >> Council member Hutchkins,

[2:20:10] >> yes.

[2:20:11] >> Council member Rhoden,

[2:20:12] >> yes.

[2:20:12] >> Council member Lunt,

[2:20:13] >> yes.

[2:20:14] >> Okay. Thank you very much, everybody. We

[2:20:16] are going to be heading into u close

[2:20:20] session. So, Dana, thank you so much for

[2:20:22] joining us. You're welcome to hang out

[2:20:24] in the hall and uh come back.

[2:20:30] » Okay. Can I get a motion to adjourn?

[2:20:33] >> Okay. Do I have a second?

[2:20:35] >> I second it.

[2:20:36] >> We are adjourned.

[2:20:38] Thank you all.

[2:20:41] >> I will get through these.

[2:20:43] >> That's cute. This you guys too.

[2:20:46] >> That was all the boys.

[2:20:47] >> That was the boys. You boys were a lot

[2:20:50] of fun. That was a lot of fun.

Woodland Hills City Council Meeting August 11 2026

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