[0:05] Okay, we'll call the committee of the whole meeting to order. And I would like

[0:08] to acknowledge that we are holding this meeting on the unseated lands of the

[0:11] migma. Uh, everyone's here. Any declarations of conflict of interest?

[0:16] Anyone? Good. Okay. Approval of agenda,

[0:22] additions, and deletions. We do have uh uh additions. We have additions on the

[0:29] latest the latest ones that were sent out. And

[0:33] I I was just going to add a 11c just a reminder of the committee review and not

[0:41] for October. Uh anything else? Anybody?

[0:48] Okay. Motion to approve the agenda with the addition. Okay. Moved and seconded.

[0:53] Any discussion? All those in favor? I contrary motion

[0:59] carried.

[1:02] No presentations. Okay. Staff report CAO report. Anything

[1:07] there? Anyone?

[1:12] » Go ahead. Deputy, >> could we get an update on the uh church

[1:15] on Argal Street and kind of where we are and a timeline of uh when we can expect

[1:21] things in demolition to move forward? >> I'll ask Deario if you'd like to speak

[1:25] to that.

[1:46] test test. Okay, perfect. Uh so yes, we received the hazardous assessment report

[1:54] from uh design one uh today and I reviewed that with Nick uh from Delmare.

[2:00] Uh there were some uh materials that need to be abated. um uh that are

[2:08] present. And right now we have a a tentative plan that will do a bit of

[2:14] abatement as a phase one and then we'll have a phase two uh that will take care

[2:18] of the main demolition. Uh both of those tent documents will start in earnest

[2:23] next week. We intend to have the first phase one out to tender

[2:30] by the end of uh the first week of August and then depending how quick that

[2:34] goes um we're out to tender for the uh main demolition before the end of

[2:42] August. So yeah, >> that's good.

[2:49] » Okay, thank you. >> Okay, thanks.

[2:53] » Yep. Okay. So, anything else on the CEO

[2:57] report? Okay. Fire department and the chief's

[3:02] here. Anything for fire department?

[3:09] Okay. Operational services. Chad's here. Any questions for Chad?

[3:18] I have a couple maybe.

[3:24] Uh,

[3:28] okay. So, yeah,

[3:33] don't ask me any wear questions. In general,

[3:41] in in general, when we mow the town lots, because we owe we own quite a few

[3:46] of town lots. So, in general, when we mow them, do we mow the whole or do we

[3:51] mow just part of it? So, we got a whole messy

[3:56] grass and everything in >> Well, we we achieve we strive to mow the

[4:01] whole entire lot. Yeah. Median included or boulevard included.

[4:06] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[4:07] » So, so if they're not done, we just just send you a note.

[4:11] » Yes, for sure. Yeah. >> Okay.

[4:14] » Okay. Hang on one second. Yep. So, uh, a new fountain installed at Lake

[4:21] Milo near SE. Is it new? Is there an old one that's not working? I just keep

[4:25] getting the reports of, "Are you going to fix it?" And then I saw this and I

[4:29] said, "I wonder if that got fixed or if it's new."

[4:32] » No. So, previously there were two fountains. Originally, there were two

[4:36] fountains at Lake Milo. >> Yeah.

[4:37] » Um, they were showing their age. So last year um we got to the point where it

[4:43] wasn't feasible anymore to to keep repairing them. So we included in the

[4:47] budget this year to purchase one. Um so that's how much prices have increased

[4:53] over the last 10 years. What we could buy two of 10 years ago, we can only buy

[4:58] one of now. >> Yeah.

[4:59] » So um so the fountain is new. We did have a few hiccups with the fountain. We

[5:04] uh one of the nozzles blew off within I think a week of installing it. So that's

[5:09] why it was down for a bit, but it's uh as of today functioning quite well.

[5:13] » Okay, good. Just in case because I keep getting the questions like uh

[5:18] » Sure. >> Uh and then the you did the re you did

[5:21] the crosswalks. Do we do all of them? I haven't even looked cuz I don't see

[5:25] » repainting. >> Yeah.

[5:26] » Uh we're still painting. We I would say the majority of them are done.

[5:30] » Okay. So up by the meadows, we're going to do that, too.

[5:33] » Uh yeah, if it hasn't been done yet, it's on the list. Y

[5:36] » good. All right. Hang on one second. Highest monthly ridership.

[5:41] » Yeah, >> we like that.

[5:44] Flashing lights at Milo. >> The FL Are there flashing lights? If so,

[5:49] they weren't working a week ago. I I don't

[5:52] » Okay. Yeah, you're the second one to report that. I think I saw our

[5:55] contractor yesterday with a new pedestrian controller button. So, good.

[5:59] » Should have been fixed. Yeah. >> All right. And we're good on the um main

[6:04] and porter, main and grand. Well, that's still Yeah, I'm still looking into that.

[6:09] That's um I think we had requests to Oh, >> install [clears throat] flashing

[6:13] signals. I don't think we're quite there yet. Um

[6:16] » yeah, >> it really doesn't they don't fit the

[6:19] criteria for for flashing signals. >> I agree.

[6:24] » Yeah, >> I agree. We can't. Sorry. [laughter]

[6:28] But anyway, >> yeah,

[6:30] » we're we're I'm deal I'm I'm talking with our sign vendor just to try to

[6:34] somehow make the crosswalks or at least the post of the crosswalks a little more

[6:39] visible. >> Okay. All right. Um, good. That's all my

[6:45] questions. Any questions? Go ahead there.

[6:48] » Not really question, just a thank you. And it is things that we go over every

[6:52] time we're here when it comes right down to it. But it is amazing to see uh the

[6:56] bus transit system doing so well now with everything that we've done. It's

[6:59] it's a it's a pat yourself on the back kind of moment for that. But I did want

[7:03] to mention um how great the bus shelters look. They are spectacular

[7:08] » and I don't know how busy they'll be this time of year, but uh come come

[7:13] school season and once it gets cold, those things are going to get used. So

[7:17] » great job. >> Thanks. We're pleased. I'll pass that

[7:20] down. There'll be a request for about 20 more.

[7:23] » Yeah. Yeah. >> Which we

[7:28] it's hard because we can't do we can't do everything.

[7:32] » That's right. >> We we just can't. Go ahead. Uh counselor

[7:36] Leser. >> Thank you. I think there's one meeting

[7:38] in this all like they're doing the pavement work across this.

[7:41] » Yeah. So yeah, the pad's being finished just today. So we'll let that

[7:45] [clears throat] concrete cure for a few days. So probably midweek, maybe end of

[7:48] next week, we'll have that one installed. Yeah.

[7:50] » Um, so it looks like on the side of them there's like an advertising space or a

[7:56] place for a map. >> Map for art display. Yeah.

[8:00] » Okay. So, is there plans any plans of what might go in there or they just

[8:04] that's the design? >> Uh, not yet. We're working with Mike.

[8:06] Um, I don't think we want to do advertisements, but um, art display for

[8:12] sure. Maybe maps. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. >> Good.

[8:17] I think we're good. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[8:21] » I got to go back to Jeff if you're okay. So, um, and it's not on your list, but I

[8:28] don't I didn't add it, so we'll add it. We'll add it under you. So, we sent out

[8:34] a letter to natural resources around the deer and basically said, uh, we asked

[8:41] the question, can you show us where in legislation it says that we are

[8:47] responsible because it's not there. Um, so we wanted to know where that was

[8:54] because we continue to do the work. We continue to get the um hold up on no,

[8:59] you can't do anything. Uh we got a lot of people quite upset quite uh quite

[9:06] upset and rightfully so. So do you want to do you know where we are on that?

[9:10] Because we were going to send a letter back and say you didn't answer you

[9:14] didn't answer a question. They said they're doing some kind of a setting

[9:17] something up but it it didn't answer our question. It was a political answer. Go

[9:22] ahead. Sorry CEO. >> I think you just answered the question

[9:25] you asked me. >> Um

[9:27] » well I'm that's >> they didn't answer the question.

[9:29] » Huh? Right? They didn't answer the question. So the issue is the

[9:33] frustration is at this table and I know the frustration in the community but the

[9:37] frustration at this table is we have no authority. We have no authority over

[9:41] wildlife. Everything that we want to do we need permission from the province to

[9:46] do and they're making us do the homework, do the make the proposals for

[9:51] them to say yes or no. They hold all the authority. Um but they have been working

[9:57] or we've been working under the I guess the direction from them or the

[10:02] premise from them that that we have somehow responsibility for this.

[10:06] » But as you know um municipalities get all of their authority and

[10:11] responsibility from the province, right? We're creatures of the province. We're

[10:15] we're created through through acts of the legislature. And so they can't just

[10:19] decide bureaucratically or politically that that falls to municipalities unless

[10:25] there is a an act or a legis or a regulation that that supports that. And

[10:30] we have been unable to find any act of regulation that indicates that either

[10:36] municipalities or towns are responsible for wildlife within our boundaries or

[10:42] that the province does not have responsibility or authority for wildlife

[10:47] within our boundaries. And so in the absence of of anything delegating that

[10:51] authority and responsibility, we actually don't think it's ours. uh it is

[10:56] probably still theirs and they've been taking advantage of the of the concern

[11:01] in the community and your proximity to the concern to to have you to have us

[11:08] spend money, spend time and beg for uh permission um in the context of their of

[11:15] their regulations for them to sit back and say yes or no depending on how they

[11:20] feel about it. um you know that this is wildlife is the

[11:24] provincial authority and uh until I see something in black and white that

[11:28] suggests otherwise I think that we should be pushing this back to them

[11:33] because they have the authority as they've shown in in Truro they have the

[11:36] authority to relax their own regulations to permit uh um activities that would

[11:43] reduce the deer population and they've done it in Turo. Um it it doesn't make

[11:48] sense that that we should be on behalf of the residents having to beg for this

[11:53] if it is their responsibility and their authority.

[11:56] » Doesn't make sense that the uh residents have to pay for everything we have to do

[11:59] here either. So, um, Jeff and I have been having a couple chats over this,

[12:04] and you guys know how I feel about it's, uh,

[12:09] we're not quite at the point where I'm at the point, but we're still discussing

[12:12] it, where we're saying, you know what, we've just racked up all these bills

[12:16] trying to get the information for something we're not responsible for. So,

[12:21] here's here's your invoice. It doesn't mean they would pay it or not, but um

[12:26] we're not we're not there yet, but we're pretty close. I'm I'm there,

[12:32] but we're going to wait on good advice for a minute. So, we're going to send

[12:39] the note back and say you didn't answer the question. Um I'd love to be at a

[12:44] point where we say and here's here are the next steps um that we're going to

[12:49] take and this is this is where we are because enough

[12:53] Go ahead. >> Sometimes I suspect maybe that's what

[12:55] they want you to do and that way they can wash their hands of the whole thing.

[12:58] But to me in listening to what you were saying, well, a couple of things come to

[13:03] mind. First off, yes, they have a template already. That's what Truro was.

[13:08] And so why aren't they following the template, which I find extremely

[13:12] irritating and frustrating. The other part is

[13:16] » we have sunk a lot of money into this so far. Yeah. Yeah.

[13:19] » And even if we can get to the point where we have permission to do, for

[13:23] example, a call or whatever it might be, we're going to pay a lot of money for

[13:27] that, that's going to cost the taxpayers of this town a lot of money. Well, if

[13:33] it's not our responsibility, we shouldn't even be paying for that.

[13:36] » No, we should. >> And I think that's as much as anything

[13:39] an issue. You know, it's it's time to make a commitment one way or the other.

[13:45] » Yeah. So the the Truro template was was was

[13:51] homemade. I mean Truro took that initiative and created that process for

[13:56] themselves out of frustration. The province likes it because it it is a

[14:01] municipality taking something off of their plate. Uh not taking the authority

[14:05] but taking the responsibility. The difficulty that we have when we look

[14:10] at their at their rules is that within within their rules and their setbacks

[14:15] for houses and schools and every and businesses and so on, there are

[14:19] literally too little postage stamps where you could where you could actually

[14:22] carry out a controlled hunt uh within the town. And it's an extreme ends

[14:28] extreme like it's it's not going to do anything for for the deer population

[14:33] that's already in town and and breeding and reproducing and and living in town.

[14:37] So it is not on its own a solution, I don't believe. But again, we don't have

[14:42] the authority to even permit that. We have to beg for that. They have the

[14:46] authority and the responsibility and and our job has to be to point that out

[14:50] unless they can show us. I could be wrong been wrong before. Unless they can

[14:54] show us that uh they they actually have through proper means delegated that

[15:00] responsibility to municipalities, it just is not ours. They would like to

[15:04] create a template based on the Turo model because that that has has

[15:10] delegated the responsibility or it's taken the responsibility without any

[15:14] authority. And uh I I just think that that's that's not fair

[15:19] » and it's not it's not fair to us and it's not fair to the residents. Was that

[15:22] authority assume? Was was that responsibility assumed?

[15:26] » So, Truro asked for the responsibility essentially as they went and they had an

[15:30] issue with deer and and you know they were probably told by the pro I

[15:34] shouldn't guess but uh I won't guess. So Truro asked what do we have to do? They

[15:41] they kind of made it up. They made proposals on what they would do and they

[15:44] did surveys. They did pellet counts and they proposed a a controlled hunt and

[15:49] they got that approved under certain conditions and and they've applied for

[15:52] an amendment to the to the regulations that that makes perfect common sense and

[15:58] eventually got that approved. But my point is why do they have to do all the

[16:02] work, right? When this is not their responsibility, they have no authority.

[16:07] Why isn't the province with its resources and its tools

[16:13] working on this issue? So, I I'm always reminded of the um

[16:20] ATVs on Water Street. Reminds me took 10 years fighting to get

[16:25] » that done on our streets that we pay for that finally, I believe, legislation

[16:31] just changed this year that said we could put up our own speed limits.

[16:36] I mean, just little things like that, right? So, do we'll tell you what you

[16:40] can do when you can do it and you pay for it. your

[16:44] » yes I said one more comment and I did see this in in the response that we got

[16:48] was this idea of community development approach

[16:52] » so they when they when they decided Shabbog Meadows trail was not going to

[16:56] be maintained anymore they called it a community development uh model so the

[17:01] community can take it up and take responsibility for it that really isn't

[17:05] community development that's really downloading that's downloading that

[17:09] that's you know community development approach looks a lot more engaged

[17:13] engaging and and so they're referring to this deer approach of letting

[17:17] municipalities beg for responsibility uh as a community

[17:21] development approach and it's not community development. It is it is

[17:25] downloading.

[17:28] » Okay. Um All right. Planning and development.

[17:35] » Did we do something >> there is

[17:47] Oh, there. Okay. The recommended motion for uh under operations to recommend the

[17:52] council designate one accessible stall and one regular stall in front of 82

[17:57] Main Street. Okay. Moved and seconded. Discussion on this one.

[18:04] » Go ahead. Uh, this come from a discussion um with the owner of Harves

[18:09] and I sent this earlier. Very thankful for the town for getting on this um

[18:14] right away and um hopefully have this installed to make it accessible for

[18:19] those people who um attend their restaurant there. So, thank you Chad for

[18:23] that work and hopefully it'll be up and going real soon. Thank you.

[18:27] » Good. Okay. All those in favor? >> I contrary motion carried. Okay.

[18:34] planning and development. And Martin's here.

[18:40] Okay. Any question there?

[18:47] Oh, there. You got to stand right in front of that, Derek. Go ahead.

[18:51] [laughter] >> Um, not out of everything that you've

[18:54] written and probably pick the the least interesting to ask a question on. Um 74

[19:00] 386 Main Street I believe is the SAM building.

[19:06] Um but it says 7 it says 70 I I don't know what the 74 386 means. But that's

[19:12] not the important part. I I think my question is

[19:15] the um the funding expired for the for the facade program for them to fix it.

[19:20] Is there any indication that it's going to they're still going to do the work

[19:24] because it's been sitting with Tyvec for quite a while. Um, thank you. It's a

[19:29] good question. I asked the same question last week of the owner. Um, and so the

[19:33] short answer is yes. Um, however, as um, I might have mentioned in some of

[19:39] previous meetings, there are larger, more complex issues

[19:43] that the owner is dealing with um, with respect to the building as we speak. And

[19:48] so they're they have to prioritize sort of where they invest their energy and

[19:53] resources. And as unfortunate as it may sound, the

[19:57] the exterior of the building is currently not their focus because that

[20:01] is what the public sees, right? That's what you see when we walk by and drive

[20:05] by. And that's what is a big part of the fabric of Main Street, which is that's

[20:09] why I said unfortunate, but as I as I just alluded to, there's a bigger sort

[20:14] of items that the owner is tending to within the building. And so currently, I

[20:20] don't want to say it's on the back burner, but it's definitely on their

[20:22] mind. Uh we have a site visit scheduled for next Tuesday actually with the rest

[20:26] of our staff and the owner and the main uh or sorry this the facade will be um a

[20:32] point of discussion but um I hope that gives you a sense of sort of um

[20:39] not timeline but sort of some of the priorities we're or the owners

[20:43] considering and and and likely dealing with.

[20:47] » So do we have the ability to put a timeline on that facade? And I only say

[20:52] that because we've we've got a little toy store there that frankly folks

[20:57] aren't even aware of because you can't see it in that

[21:00] » Yeah. >> in in the wrap of Tyvec.

[21:03] » You can't you just can't see it and it just it

[21:05] » Yes, we can. Yes, we can. And so we are um again had a great meeting with the

[21:10] owner whatever that was last week, week before that. And I didn't inform them if

[21:15] that's notwithstanding everything else I just said that may be happening and the

[21:19] is dealing with we have to act on the front facade and that would be um an

[21:24] order under um unsightly and or dangerous premises of the MGA and we did

[21:29] inform them if um there's no visible progress from an application for

[21:34] development permit to demonstrate compliance with applicable regulations

[21:37] under bylaw and then some some some concrete sort of steps towards

[21:42] addressing it will be forced to issue a order under the NGA uh I'm sorry under

[21:47] the unsightly or dangerous and so he's been informed of that so that would put

[21:51] in place a timeline now

[21:56] there's initial timeline there's a you know discussion that may be extended but

[22:01] uh that would be sort of starting point of of establishing some clear

[22:04] expectations on when or by when that work has to be done

[22:11] » does that help helps. I mean, we don't want to go the whole winter with a

[22:18] » No, understood. >> You You know, it's just

[22:20] » understood and and I'm well aware of the uh the sentiment of of this body towards

[22:25] that sort of condition and we feel the same and so does the owner. Don't get me

[22:29] wrong. He >> No, no, no. I understand. he understands

[22:31] he and he would like to get it fixed, but um he's in sort of a situation where

[22:35] he's got to make some >> some decisions about where to invest his

[22:38] time and resources and and um those aren't easy decisions. So

[22:44] » uh we're trying to sort of approach that with that same understanding, but

[22:47] there's a limit to it. >> Yep. Okay. And it's not about um just

[22:52] for the record, it's not about pretty, it's about economics. It's it's about

[22:57] it's this is in in the downtown core uh you know where business are looking to

[23:02] set up. They just want to know that their neighbors are going to be looked

[23:07] after that it's not going to feel like uh a place that I don't want to set up

[23:10] another business. So >> yeah I mean the the syndrome of broken

[23:14] windows is a real thing. Um and so we we good

[23:17] » that okay anything else for Martin? >> Go ahead councelor Bell. Thank you your

[23:25] worship and thank you for uh the report this month. Um a lot of information

[23:32] packed into a very concise package. I really appreciate it was really easy to

[23:37] go through and um and actually the the question that I have really doesn't have

[23:42] anything to do with directly with the report. it it I'm just hoping for some

[23:46] direction with regards to bylaw enforcement of um sight um unsightly and

[23:55] dangerous premises. There is a property on Tuker Street that is abandoned, has

[24:01] been abandoned for many years, and I continue to get complaints about uh the

[24:08] property being open to the air and wildlife being in and out of the

[24:13] property. Um, and I have reported the complaints and what the feedback that's

[24:18] come back is that the house is secure. And so what I'm trying to understand so

[24:23] that I can communicate it to constituents. Um, and what I think I'm

[24:28] hearing is that we we are not concerned about wildlife being able to get into a

[24:34] building. We're concerned about humans being able to get into a building. Is

[24:38] that fair to say? Um,

[24:43] I'm going to thread carefully here because I I'm going to I'm not going to

[24:46] proclaim myself expert on both abandoned building by which I believe we have in

[24:50] place. >> Uh, same with dangerous or unsightly,

[24:53] but >> I believe the uh the access to rodents

[24:56] and and sort of wildlife is is noted in one of them as a concern. Uh, I think

[25:01] I'm getting some nods here and and so I think it would be both. And before I was

[25:05] going to answer uh your worship, I was going to ask um the feedback you've been

[25:10] getting, would it be from our staff that the building's secure? I think last year

[25:14] when I raised the issue and the complaint went through the process that

[25:19] that was the feedback that I was given was that the building was secure and I

[25:24] think it is secure in terms of human habitation and certainly from the front

[25:28] of the building >> it doesn't look as though there's an

[25:32] issue but if you if you view it looking south from Albert Street um it is

[25:39] completely open to the air in the back uh uh you know in the eaves and the

[25:43] pigeons and everything are going in and out constantly and this has been going

[25:47] on for you know 5 years 10 years I don't know and I've just

[25:54] I don't know in what other neighborhood of the community it would be tolerated

[26:00] for this long >> it wouldn't

[26:01] » so just and and I don't know if there's anything that we can do as an

[26:05] institutional body but um I just want to be able to tell my constituents

[26:12] um what we're able to do and what we're not able to do.

[26:16] » Look, I mean, I you're touching on several interesting points. Um one of

[26:19] them being at this point anyway in middle of the summer construction season

[26:24] um resourcing on our end. Um we're um we're we're

[26:30] we're busy um unsightly and dangerous orders. Um not only their issuance, but

[26:37] following up on those orders and working with the owners. Same with um vacant

[26:41] buildings which actually requires I believe the operators or owners of those

[26:45] buildings submit annual reports to demonstrate that the condition of the

[26:49] vacant buildings is such that you know it's it's acceptable and up to snuff. Um

[26:56] I'm going to summarize is there's work to be done on our end to follow up on um

[27:02] range of items and files. The building reference is likely one of

[27:07] them. We're seeking avenues to sort of get the done and get not get ahead of

[27:12] it. I feel it'll take a couple years before we do can say that but at least

[27:16] sort of start attending to it in a manner that it deserves. Um and so again

[27:21] as I said steps are being taken sort of to position ourselves as a small

[27:25] department to to do so. Um, in the meantime,

[27:30] you know, if there's a specific issue, I encourage you to contact our office,

[27:33] whether it's bylaw, myself, and we'll give you as best as we can, or we'll

[27:37] send our staff as needed because those continue to happen, right? Whether it's

[27:41] triggered by the citizens or or or anybody else. Uh, we try to do those,

[27:46] but um it's been a bit of a challenge and it will continue to be for some

[27:52] time. >> Yeah.

[27:55] And it's not just properties in Southoun. I can tell you that.

[27:57] » Oh gosh. No. No.

[28:02] » For for me it's it's not a criticism of staff. It's just a looking for clarity

[28:09] so that the con if it's appropriate for the constituents to continue to be using

[28:14] clickfix then I will direct them to do that. But I I don't want them to

[28:20] continue to use ClickFix if if it isn't a town remediable problem. That's that's

[28:26] just that's just the point. I think I'm trying I'm looking for clarity about

[28:30] that. >> Are are the I mean I'm shaking my head

[28:34] yes to to the animals. >> Yes, it is. Yes.

[28:37] » Whether it's birds or whatever because that that's not just unsightly. That's

[28:42] dangerous in a neighborhood. So, um I even got a report this week that there's

[28:47] skunks in somebody's yard. >> We have a range of

[28:51] » come right. So, if that's open and the birds are getting in are the other

[28:56] animals getting in and then there's they're spreading to you know the

[29:00] neighborhood like that's that's the sad thing. You know, your property is one

[29:05] thing but somebody else's property is quite another. in in short is very much

[29:09] within the scope of um >> the legislation we talked about you're

[29:13] aware of and and our staff's jurisdiction.

[29:15] » Okay. All right. So we'll >> I think I'll mention a conversation we

[29:22] had earlier this week, Martin. So, um, we've had changeover in that department

[29:29] and we've had plans to execute on on restaffing in in certain areas and we've

[29:34] actually shifted um a priority until we get uh clarity on this year's fiscal

[29:40] picture, shift a priority from community economic development to to enforcement

[29:45] and and compliance. And so, uh, we've got to fill a position, but, um, but

[29:51] there is at least that acknowledgment that the workload there is a bit

[29:55] overwhelming right now, and we do need to throw support at it. So, that's a

[29:59] choice that we've kind of made until we have clarity on whether we can do both.

[30:02] So,

[30:06] » yeah. Um, yeah.

[30:12] No, I just struggle with things to say. But uh

[30:17] I I think sometimes if if uh you know, for example, housing, the the Yarmouth

[30:23] housing, if if they would look after their properties in the manner that they

[30:28] need to be taken care of, that would be a lot less off our plates. We shouldn't

[30:33] have to deal with with that type of thing. Um so we'll have some more

[30:37] conversations with them. That's just I guess it it depends what kind of this

[30:44] isn't about you, but it depends what kind of person you are. If you say, you

[30:47] know, this if you if you say something and and it's yeah, it'll get done. You

[30:52] you expect it to get done. And then when it doesn't, it's like I got to go again,

[30:56] then I have to go again. And it's uh that's a burden on you guys. I know

[31:00] you're doing all you can. It's it's we're swamped. It's like top to bottom.

[31:04] » And the process in many ways is not perfect either. Uh it's it's if anything

[31:08] it's far from perfect. Uh >> yeah,

[31:10] » you know even if you do start following these orders for unsightly or dangerous

[31:15] or mostly both um the options under or through the

[31:19] process are limited and you know if it's a question of resources as well and

[31:25] decisions sometimes in front of you and some some of these require immediate

[31:29] action. So you know the resources on the owner side are not there. uh demolition

[31:34] obviously it's a whole different issue alto together because the the resource

[31:37] there is much more significant than uh um you know fixing up a um unsafe access

[31:42] or missing deck or stairs. Um then if you look at the legal routes available

[31:47] to us whether it's uh issuing of tickets and ultimately proceeding it to with

[31:51] long forms to to courts that's also you know resource heavy on on legal advice

[31:56] and and so representations on that end and again that's those are year-long

[32:01] processes that don't really get you anywhere other than

[32:05] uh you know and in and not not not anywhere I'm not going to say that I I

[32:09] have very limited experience but those are long-term processes that eventually

[32:14] result than something but usually not an outcome that um you know that that you

[32:20] would envision or we would envision. So back to the process sort of like what

[32:24] I'm saying is what's available to us is not great and so that's why working with

[32:27] owners >> and finding ways to keep it sort of

[32:30] locally and address it locally is always the best but it's not always easy to

[32:35] work with the owners. um some of them may not be around present in condition

[32:40] to even communicate with us and um it's a really interesting and

[32:46] challenging file at the same time.

[32:50] » Good. Anyone else? Anything for Martin at all? No. Okay.

[32:57] Thank you. >> Thank you.

[33:00] » Okay. Engineering and I see Deario here. Any questions there?

[33:12] No. Okay. Finance. Not Did you want to share when you think

[33:17] we'll >> budget? No.

[33:20] » No, we're good. >> No.

[33:22] » Yeah. >> Um, so just for council's information,

[33:26] um, to my knowledge, director of finance is going to start a return to work uh

[33:30] program next week. It's not going to come in full-time right off the hop. So

[33:34] it'll be be phased in, but uh latest information I have is that that will

[33:38] start next week and top priority is is budget work. So um stay tuned for that

[33:43] and we'll ask for your for your indulgence around uh meeting and and

[33:48] going through the documents as soon as they're ready.

[33:50] » Good. Okay. Uh

[33:55] recreation and Frank's here. Any questions for Frank?

[34:02] Go ahead.

[34:14] I see it's mentioned about the lights at the Mariners. Uh I know there was I

[34:19] think a $40,000 LED upgrade that was in there. I'm just wondering if that was

[34:24] started if it was just fixing of what's already there and kind of where we are

[34:28] timeline if that is going to be done this year.

[34:32] » Um we've replaced two of the existing lights with LED lights as a test and

[34:38] then we'll be moving forward on replacement

[34:42] of the rest of them. Um the the light the light systems are working. I think

[34:47] there's one one uh bulb that's that's not working. Okay, perfect.

[34:51] » So, we are planning on moving forward if everything goes well with the test of

[34:56] the two uh new LED lights. >> Perfect. And if um if that goes well, is

[35:01] there a plan to upgrade uh veterans as well maybe next year or down the road?

[35:06] » For sure. Yeah, 100%. >> Great to see. And I think the not only

[35:10] the uh new technology is a whole lot better and not so cumbersome, but the uh

[35:16] energy use I'm sure is a whole lot less compared to what it was as well. So that

[35:19] that's always been an issue is with ballasts and bulbs. There's two things

[35:24] that can break and with high winds if the bulb doesn't break than the ballast

[35:29] would. So the LED unit is one unit. So it should hopefully work more efficient

[35:37] more efficiently uh um and energy-wise as well.

[35:42] » Perfect. And uh big I hear there's a big softball tournament this weekend. I

[35:47] think there is a 32 team tournament. >> Uh things went very smooth dealing with

[35:52] wreck. So thank you for that. And um I know Minor Ball has um is quite busy. I

[35:58] see we have people going away winning tournaments and provincials and whatnot.

[36:02] So it's great to see the upgrade of that field and I remember when those were put

[36:06] in and you know the the getting back to being a baseball town and uh some pride

[36:10] of our athletes and whatnot. And also shout out to your crew for the um

[36:15] senior's picnic that was held at um Beacon there a week or so ago. It was I

[36:19] think the most highly attended that they had and the uh teddy bear picnic for um

[36:24] » Sefest was at the same time. So it was nice to see the park filled and I think

[36:27] everyone enjoyed theirel. So >> we had hot dogs [laughter]

[36:31] » and little Sandies. >> Plenty of hot dogs. Um, just one other

[36:35] thing I wanted to mention is, and I'm sure council knows, uh, communities in

[36:39] Bloom, judges are in town and, uh, recreation facilities are always a part

[36:44] of that that tour. So, uh, judges will be at Milton, uh, ball field or

[36:51] Coronation Park and Lake Milo. >> Awesome.

[36:55] » So, tomorrow,

[36:57] » good stuff. um our September 2nd meeting

[37:04] whenever it [snorts] came out. It's the same as Remo.

[37:07] » Uhhuh. >> Saying,

[37:08] » okay, first Wednesday. >> We look We might have to look at the

[37:12] Tuesday or uh >> we'll get on it.

[37:15] » Sorry. It's been booked like it was booked a long time ago. So, we can take

[37:19] a peek at that and then um >> is is Remo early in the afternoon as

[37:24] well? >> It's the same time, isn't it? 4 o'clock.

[37:28] » Okay. >> Yeah,

[37:29] » we'll have to look at it then. >> Yeah, we can look at another We can look

[37:33] at another day. >> What's that?

[37:40] » Oh, or we can move Remo. >> Yeah, we'll figure that out. Lindsay,

[37:46] can you get you just figure it out with Frank?

[37:50] » Perfect. >> We got to have We We have to have a

[37:52] meeting and get an answer to an email, too.

[37:56] Yeah, like a a a a real response to an email that was sent.

[38:01] » Okay. >> We'll do that.

[38:05] » Right. >> Hopefully, it's done before we get

[38:07] there. Anybody else? Anything for Wreck? Busy.

[38:12] » Busy. >> It's been It's been a good summer so

[38:15] far. >> Okay.

[38:17] » Thank you. >> Thanks, Frank.

[38:19] » Business. Okay. So, personnel policy,

[38:25] I can get in here. So, the recommended motion there is to

[38:30] recommend the council amend the personnel policy to include 5.07

[38:35] cent reduction policy. Okay. Moved, seconded. Any discussion on

[38:41] this one? All those in favor?

[38:47] » Opposed?

[38:50] Motion carried. And the next one is to recommend that council amend section

[38:55] 5.02 of the personnel policy to include violence prevention.

[39:03] » Move. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on

[39:08] this one? Okay. All those in favor? I. Contrary.

[39:13] Motion carried. Thank you. Okay. citizen advisory to recommend the council amend

[39:20] uh section 4.0 the citizen advisory committee's policy to include

[39:26] orientation for citizen members okay moved and seconded discussion on this

[39:32] one I assume orientation will include like some of Robert's rules and stuff

[39:37] like that we'll figure

[39:42] » okay good okay Go ahead.

[39:47] » Sorry. I just can't emphasize how important this is. It's it's uh it's

[39:52] kind of crucial that when citizens when all of us uh jump into one of these

[39:58] committees, these committees do some really important work and to understand

[40:02] exactly why you're there and what's going on is is huge. And so, um can't

[40:09] believe it wasn't there before almost. And uh it it really is a policy that we

[40:14] need to have not just for uh the citizen advisory committees but for all of us.

[40:20] And uh I guess that's it. Thank you. Good. Okay. All those in favor? I

[40:27] contrary motion carried uh communications policy to recommend that

[40:33] council direct staff to develop a communication policy.

[40:40] Moved. Seconded.

[40:45] Someone going to second. Seconded. Okay. Discussion.

[40:55] We good.

[41:00] » Okay. Here. Um, so we're having this conversation because there has been some

[41:09] discussion about um how we're using uh our town's social

[41:18] media platforms. And I just think it's important for us um if we're going to

[41:24] send this to staff for a policy, I think we should have a conversation about

[41:32] what uh those social media platforms and

[41:36] communication platforms are designed for. And so I'd like to start the

[41:40] conversation um

[41:44] with my perspective which is that these are really there primarily to

[41:51] communicate information on behalf of the municipality.

[41:55] They're there to serve the municipality's interests, not to serve

[41:59] third parties interests. And when the municipality's interests and third party

[42:04] interests align, and there is a reason, that's great. But I think primarily it's

[42:11] important that we are mindful of what that those

[42:18] platforms are there to do. Um, you know, I don't consider myself an expert on too

[42:25] many things, but I have been in journalism, communications, and public

[42:29] relations for most of my adult life. And in those roles, I have an exquisite

[42:36] understanding of boundaries and why uh boundaries are important. Um I think

[42:45] followers of the platforms expect um the municipality to provide

[42:52] timely and reliable information about our services, our programs, the

[42:59] decisions that we're making. Um information about emergencies and

[43:04] matters that advance the communities and the council's objectives.

[43:09] Um and you know sometimes when a

[43:14] municipality publishes or any organization publishes activities that

[43:20] are organized by outside organizations. They may intentionally convey an

[43:27] institutional endorsement or approval regardless of whether um they have had

[43:34] any control or any input into that third party organizations's activities and how

[43:40] they're being conducted and that puts um organizations at some risk.

[43:47] Um, so I think that any policy, if we're going to do a policy, um, needs to

[43:53] really establish what those communication platforms are

[43:58] there to do and then leave it to staff to decide um, what are the appro, you

[44:06] know, what's appropriate going forward. And I am assuming that it would be

[44:12] official communications um and category you know in information

[44:17] that about what we are doing what what what we're doing to engage our citizens.

[44:24] Um,

[44:28] I just feel very strongly about this that uh, number one, council should not

[44:33] be directing staff about what's going on those communications channels and that

[44:40] we need to understand what they're there for. Thank you.

[44:44] » Okay. Anyone else?

[44:51] » Go ahead. >> So, I disagree. Um,

[44:56] I I can't believe that we'd have a main street packed with 500 cars and

[45:01] thousands of people and not see the value and somehow of helping to

[45:04] advertise that. Um

[45:09] uh we also often give money to these organizations and if we feel strongly

[45:15] enough to fund what they do, I think we should um at least be uh supportive

[45:21] enough to um let them know the work they're doing is important enough to get

[45:26] out there. I agree there should be some type of policy. So it's not everything.

[45:30] Um maybe that could be tied into the things that we support financially. We

[45:35] also support as far as advertising, but I would like to kind of back up and

[45:40] speak to something else, I guess, before we get there. Often when we bring up

[45:44] things around this table, we disagree. Um, I think the way we disagree, we need

[45:50] to look at sometimes. Um, as I get older in my life, um, I'm

[45:56] I'm not a fan of being talked down to or talked to in a manner that I don't care

[46:01] for just because I hold a different opinion of

[46:06] how I see something. Um, I feel far too often lately that the responses that we

[46:13] get sometime aren't the most respectful or um, within the the decorum that we

[46:18] should have when we disagree. I think um I've learned in my life that if you

[46:23] really want to know someone's true colors, disagree with them or don't give

[46:26] them what they want and you tend to see a little bit more of those true colors

[46:30] come through. Um

[46:35] um we all bring something different to this

[46:38] table. I have sat in this table with my mind made up of how I was going to vote

[46:43] and other people have talked and I've heard their two cents and I've changed

[46:46] my opinion because of the respect I have for those around here. Um, I don't think

[46:51] I've I've seen conversations where things have not went the best way. Um,

[46:56] senior safety comes up to me, the deer conversation.

[47:01] Um, Mr. Leser helping out with a tree. Um,

[47:06] when we disagree, we need to figure out how we're going to disagree. And we all

[47:10] put our name in our ballots and we're all one vote around this table. And no

[47:14] one's opinion is any more important than the rest of us. Um, some people take

[47:20] what they want to be as a counselor and how they want to arrive somewhere from

[47:23] what's written, maybe proincially or in a policy. Some of us live by conviction.

[47:28] I'm one of those people. Um, when I put my head on the pillow at night, I want

[47:33] to be able to believe in the things that I do. Um, if this last weekend has

[47:37] taught me anything is to be proud of where you're from and who you are.

[47:40] Whether you speak the Queen's English or every now and then if my ing's end in or

[47:46] I use ain't, we uh we all bring something to this table. There are

[47:50] animal lovers, there are tourists and event lovers, there are

[47:54] environmentalists, there's sidewalk people, there's um crosswalk people,

[48:00] there is uh arts people and we all bring something to this table. So what I think

[48:04] when we have these discussions and when we have differences of opinion, I'd like

[48:09] to be able to be comfortable enough that I'm going to speak it the way I'd

[48:14] [snorts] like to speak it. And my vote will be how I think and where I come

[48:20] from and how I come to this. It may be different than somebody else, but it

[48:26] should be respected. So I just like to get that out there. I'd also like to say

[48:31] that in the past, I think we have did a good job often speaking openly and not

[48:36] getting caught up in this is how you should think, I'm going to let you know.

[48:42] And if you don't see it this way, then there's some flawed way in your

[48:46] thinking. And intent and impact are two different things. And I think we need to

[48:51] take that in consideration when speaking to each other. And um I just like to say

[48:55] moving forward that if I don't give it, I won't be taking it. So, let's all get

[49:01] along and learn to talk to each other properly.

[49:05] » Anyone else? >> Because I gota I'm gonna

[49:08] » Yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet. Um um I'm curious to see how this policy

[49:13] would look. So, I I don't know if I'd dismiss it offhand. I do have concerns

[49:18] that, you know, I and I'll I'll get into that at a later date, but um certainly,

[49:23] of course, it won't preclude anybody from using their own voice. I mean, I I

[49:27] advertise stuff on behalf of community groups that I represent on Facebook. I

[49:32] don't involve the town in it. That's just a choice. Um,

[49:37] I would though like to offer that. Um, and I brought it to your worship's

[49:43] attention at times and to the CEO's attention that sometimes I think we get

[49:46] into conversations online that we shouldn't. And I think that uh that

[49:51] shouldn't happen. And if we're going to have those conversations, we should have

[49:54] them at this table and we shouldn't have them in u in email forms. So that just

[50:01] my my thoughts on that. And um very often too I I think um I I have a

[50:07] 24-hour rule. When I disagree with somebody online, I might type a message,

[50:13] but I don't send it for 24 hours. And 99% of the time, I don't send it.

[50:18] Um but also you know there's a big

[50:22] difference between somebody saying thanks a lot or thanks a lot. You know

[50:27] it's just sometimes perception on the way you read things. Um so I have to

[50:31] think we have to be really careful not to focus too strongly on on written

[50:35] communications that um sometimes people make in a

[50:43] in haste. Um, but anyway, I I look forward to seeing what it would look

[50:47] like at the end of the day with staff involvement. Um, and to see if it's

[50:51] workable and maybe it isn't. At the end of the day, maybe it's not going to

[50:55] work. But let's take a look at it and see.

[50:57] » In the meantime, um, I agree with the may the deputy mayor. We we all have a

[51:02] voice at this table and uh, there's times that you have changed my mind and

[51:06] there's times that you haven't. Um, and that's fair.

[51:09] » Yeah. >> But uh, I'm one of seven at the table.

[51:12] So that's my vote. Thank you. >> Yeah, that's what I I agree that's the

[51:17] way it works. One one person one person I'll I'll just say where I am. Um I do

[51:25] agree with what you said about perceptions. I think sometimes we

[51:29] I know I do it all the time. I say something online that's taken the wrong

[51:32] way because whoever's it's it just sometimes that happens. That's not

[51:38] always the case. Um I am a believer in the town information. I think Mike has

[51:44] stuck very close to that as as staff to stick close to making sure

[51:52] that it's town connected information. Um

[52:01] the car show was advertised just maybe not in the way everybody was thinking

[52:07] because you you posted probably half a dozen

[52:11] there there was information there. So everybody knew the car show was

[52:15] happening except just maybe a a last a last line. Um the f I'm just I just

[52:22] jotted down what some of the things people were saying. So the financial

[52:26] support if we give them money um I mean I know why I sometimes give money to

[52:32] organizations I don't believe I don't believe in. So that's a that's a tough

[52:36] one for me. Um my fear that and it and it depends what the what this policy

[52:45] looks like but but my fear in in having the discussion and getting the

[52:51] policy to make sure the policy is tight is so that you know what we have to get

[52:56] to where where the answer is to what are we going to do because my first thought

[53:01] was oh my gosh is somebody going to get upset because we haven't done like a

[53:05] community yard sale or something like that because there's just so many things

[53:08] that support organizations and that's not our that is not our job to

[53:14] support other organizations but we can do it as council as council members.

[53:20] uh the the idea that we might miss one and then what happens so that can be

[53:25] considered um it becomes an expectation

[53:32] and and yeah it's just not it's not for email. I

[53:37] think what gets us in trouble most times is is the the discussions online because

[53:42] we just aren't reading things the way maybe they're intended. Maybe we are

[53:46] reading them how they're intended, but it's uh the discussion at the table I

[53:51] think is the most important. So you're going to do that policy and

[53:56] » I speak. >> Yeah, you you can speak. It's your

[53:58] staff, >> right? So

[54:02] yeah, it's it's it's it's uh town staff and um you know, we we established this

[54:08] position I think about six years ago, uh communications officer and without a

[54:14] policy in support of it because we weren't really sure exactly what it was

[54:18] going to look like. We got a we got a fantastic person to fill the role and I

[54:22] he's done a great job and you know the the recent discussion just brought to

[54:28] light that we really don't have we have different expectations or different

[54:32] perceptions of of what the rules should be or are. And you know, you speak to

[54:38] staff through policy. And the best way that we can all get on the same page is

[54:43] is to put a policy proposal in front of you to have you have you look at and

[54:48] criticize and tear apart and make it right, make it your own, and then then

[54:52] staff have clear direction on service expectations from council as a whole.

[54:56] It's a policy. It can be changed in seven days, right? So it doesn't have to

[55:01] be perfect and forever, but it needs to be something that that that staff can

[55:06] can work under as their as their operating parameters. And when an issue

[55:10] comes up, and it and it will happen, an issue will come up that we didn't

[55:13] anticipate that we want to do that that or don't want to do that policy doesn't

[55:19] really provide us the the right guidance. that's when it can come back

[55:22] to this table or as as Mike and I have discussed there will be things that that

[55:28] in with with a with a policy in place as well intended as we'll be there will be

[55:33] something that will occur that we just simply cannot follow the policy for for

[55:38] good reason and we'll keep an out clause in the policy that will allow the CAO to

[55:44] to kind of pull rank on behalf of council so in a in a situation I would

[55:49] imagine is is imagine a really reprehensible group um meets meets the

[55:56] requirements of the policy to receive town um support or or or sharing on our

[56:03] social media platforms where it really is objectionable and yet they've slipped

[56:08] through a a a loophole in our policy. That's where we would use that authority

[56:13] is is to protect council reputationally from doing something that that really

[56:18] would be offensive to the community. So let us let us try to draft something.

[56:23] It's not going to be everything to all people, but it will be a start and we'll

[56:27] focus the discussion on on the pros and the cons, the wise, the why nots. And

[56:33] ultimately what we're looking for is is is guidance in in the form of policy for

[56:37] staff to go forward. I think we're mature enough into this or Mike as our

[56:42] communications officer has enough experience. He has a network of

[56:45] colleagues around the province that that he can call on to to look at their

[56:49] policies to understand what their what their experiences have been that we can

[56:53] bring you forward bring forward something that uh that if it's not

[56:56] exactly what you're looking for will at least focus the discussion on the issues

[57:00] that uh that uh that we need to focus on.

[57:08] » Derek, [clears throat] >> sorry. Um, I guess my thoughts on it

[57:12] were or are um I didn't know there wasn't a policy. So, I kind of feel bad

[57:18] for Mike at this point that um he's kind of been operating without one. And

[57:22] that's not a crit criticism of anybody, but I think I I definitely think we need

[57:26] some kind of a policy. Um, and I just assumed

[57:32] I was under the understanding that we would post things like that. um because

[57:36] I've seen it done like we've we've done it in in other times. Um but I think I I

[57:41] think I missed some emails while I was away as well. Um as I mentioned before,

[57:46] sometimes emails come into into uh threads. So I hadn't read everything. I

[57:53] I eventually did read everything, but um when I responded and said I can't

[57:58] remember exactly what I said, but I think you know we may be looking at

[58:01] posting something about the car show. Um,

[58:04] and that's not certainly not a criticism of somebody not like Mike not doing it.

[58:09] Um, I just I thought we've done it before and I thought it makes sense to

[58:14] do. But that's exactly why we need a policy so that it's not it's not up in

[58:19] the air to see, you know, if that's not the route that is chosen, then it's much

[58:23] easier to know we don't go that route. Um, but without a policy, I think it I

[58:28] think that's what's adding to the confusion. So, um, I'm definitely in

[58:32] favor of of getting staff to work on a policy of some sort.

[58:37] » Thank you. >> I just have a quick question. Who

[58:41] develops the policy as the criteria, the details of that policy? Is it one one or

[58:45] two people around this table? Is it no one around this table?

[58:48] » It's it's nobody around this table. You all you all have an opportunity. You're

[58:51] speaking now and that's helpful to hear perspectives, but uh

[58:55] » the draft policy will come from staff uh for your consideration. it'll be back at

[59:00] this table with a document to you for you to uh tear apart or to to tell us

[59:06] what you like, what you don't like, and ultimately as a group decide.

[59:09] » Okay, that's my question. Thank you. >> Go ahead.

[59:13] » Okay. Um

[59:17] I always the word policy sometimes scares the heck out of me. I'll be

[59:22] honest with you because I find governmentally,

[59:26] you know, things become fixed without room for maneuvering. And so policies

[59:34] kind of make me nervous that way because I tend not to ride that way. It's not

[59:38] how I normally operate. So, thank you CEO for the way you worded that because

[59:45] it it makes me feel better. Gives me more um a little more ease. And I do

[59:50] agree that there should be some kind of a policy in place. I've I've never

[59:55] worked uh within a communications area where there wasn't some kind of a

[59:59] policy. Um which takes me to the next bit. I am

[1:00:04] doing a job very similar to what Mike is doing right now. And I got to tell you,

[1:00:11] to me, what worries me is that, you know, you Mike has a lot to communicate

[1:00:18] » within the town. There's a lot going on. And no, I'm not kissing up to you. Um,

[1:00:24] but it's it's busy enough and it's important

[1:00:28] enough. Like when I'm doing social media, there's

[1:00:32] there's one thing that gives always gives me pause because you want what

[1:00:37] you're putting down as the person who's sending that out and as the organization

[1:00:42] is sending that out, a you want it to represent the organization, but also B,

[1:00:47] you want it to have impact. And if you're sending out too much stuff, like

[1:00:53] if you're just sending out a mish mash of stuff, it becomes a bit of a slop and

[1:00:57] nobody's necessarily going to see it. And that's just that's just

[1:01:02] knowledge. That's just professional experience. So you have to be cautious,

[1:01:06] but at the same time, there are key huge things that it's

[1:01:14] great to encourage. Maybe not the day of like it's it's fine to take. There were

[1:01:19] plenty of pictures out there of what was going on with the car show, for example.

[1:01:24] The buildup to it, having a a post or two, I I see no problem with, but

[1:01:30] you know, there's a there's a line that you have to kind of draw uh because

[1:01:36] we as counselors, that's our job. We have a job to communicate what's going

[1:01:43] on within the town from our vantage point. It's it's it's like that that is

[1:01:50] that's part of the communication to me. It's almost should be part of the

[1:01:54] communications policy in its own way. And I know it it can't be, but when you

[1:02:00] think about it, we have a job to communicate things that are going on

[1:02:03] within the town and our interpretation of them. I mean, that that's for us to

[1:02:08] do. So, that's that's a really important piece to this. And the other part is and

[1:02:13] and I think it's been touched upon but let we can make it very clear if you

[1:02:17] push one you have to push them all and there's a lot going on and it be it

[1:02:24] becomes an impossibility. I mean, we've had discussions uh about setting up a a

[1:02:30] website or a Facebook page and a website actually keeping calendar straight and

[1:02:35] and uh doing you know encouraging and promoting things that are going on. Not

[1:02:41] not me and you we but more of an editorial we I suppose the work to do

[1:02:47] that would be almost impossible. It's it would be very very hard to do.

[1:02:54] It just you have to walk a fine line because

[1:02:58] when it comes to these kind of things, you know, who's going to be mad that you

[1:03:02] left them out? Um so there's there's care that has to be taken. That's all.

[1:03:12] » Go ahead. if it alleviates any concerns regarding policy. Um, one of the most

[1:03:17] ethical persons that I ever worked with um once described policy as a guide to

[1:03:22] the wise and a rule for the fool because it can be amended. We've all voted on

[1:03:28] amendments at this table. Um, if we don't get it perfect the first time,

[1:03:31] we'll fix it. But it does give you a it's a guide and sometimes guide rails

[1:03:38] are good. So, I I I don't I'm not concerned about developing a policy um

[1:03:46] because I know we can we can fix it. >> Good.

[1:03:51] » Go ahead. Uh Derek, >> just one thing I was going to add that I

[1:03:53] forgot um but I think the CEO mentioned it is the jurisdictional like what are

[1:03:59] other communities doing? And I think that's the most important if you know

[1:04:03] that we're in line with what everybody else is doing. Um, and I don't know what

[1:04:06] other like I'm not following other Facebook groups to see what they're

[1:04:10] doing. So, um, I think that part's an important which I think you mentioned

[1:04:13] would be part of it. So,

[1:04:18] um,

[1:04:22] another conversation for another time, [laughter] but they're all shutting down

[1:04:28] their comments. They're they're starting one at a time

[1:04:32] to to shut down their comments. So that's up to you. You you've done that

[1:04:36] on some. >> So So but that's the issue, right?

[1:04:40] » Yeah. It's up to you. >> I think that if if if we are going to

[1:04:46] exercise discretion that that shuts off a community engagement

[1:04:52] situation and be kind of leaving it on one person's shoulders without any

[1:04:57] criteria that he's going to exercise his judgment on. I think that's what I'd

[1:05:01] like to see in the policy is is the the topic of of online commenting and what

[1:05:08] criteria the communications officer might use to determine when and when not

[1:05:14] to have commenting on. And as an example, um,

[1:05:19] uh, in an emergency situation, right, where we're trying to get factual

[1:05:23] information out to out to citizens, but the communications officer might not be

[1:05:28] the the source of all all information to answer all questions. We might want to

[1:05:33] shut comments off so that what sits on online are the facts themselves and and

[1:05:39] allow, you know, through press conferences or whatnot, uh, the the, um,

[1:05:46] supplementary information be provided by by the appropriate officials. So that's

[1:05:50] just an example. I know it's it's something that municipalities are doing

[1:05:54] and that's why the jurisdictional scan is important to see what what other

[1:05:58] lessons have been learned in other jurisdictions that we're bound to learn

[1:06:02] uh but maybe haven't yet. >> Go ahead.

[1:06:07] » Thank you. [clears throat] Um, I think that the point about

[1:06:11] comments is important because if you're if you're an institution in a in on a

[1:06:18] social platform um

[1:06:23] if it's important that comments be moderated and it's impossible to

[1:06:30] moderate comments in real time and it it just it does create the potential for

[1:06:40] for risk to the organization because once it's out there and it's on your

[1:06:46] platform, it's very difficult to rein that back. So, I I mean, I think it's

[1:06:52] something that you need to look at very very clearly. Anyway, I just uh I wanted

[1:06:57] to just acknowledge that this is a deliberative body and we've had a

[1:07:02] terrific conversation here this afternoon.

[1:07:07] um that will help staff. I hope that was my intention in commenting

[1:07:12] um understand where we feel as a community

[1:07:18] and there's a diversity opinion across the table um and that you can help you

[1:07:23] can take that into account when you're framing this policy. But ultimately

[1:07:29] um I just think it's really important for us to acknowledge that this

[1:07:35] the communications director reports to our CEO. He does not report to us and we

[1:07:41] should be not be we should not be directing the the communications and I

[1:07:45] think that's where the whole issue began with the recognition that maybe we need

[1:07:51] a communications policy. So >> we do

[1:07:55] » and I agree with your comments with regard to email

[1:07:58] » discussions. It's just um >> it's trouble.

[1:08:01] » It's a problem. Yeah. >> Yeah. Trouble.

[1:08:04] » Okay. So we're good. All right. All those in favor?

[1:08:10] » I contrary motion carried. So we've got correspondence here. Uh the Nova Scotia

[1:08:17] Health 911 calls. So,

[1:08:22] and we've got actually we've got a a motion underneath there. Was there

[1:08:26] anything we had to do with that correspondence one?

[1:08:30] Okay. And then Chester's cab request, does that go to

[1:08:36] Adam or I mean we've we've got that's what we do is set. So what what I would

[1:08:42] suggest you do is >> because that is a part of our bylaw

[1:08:46] setting rates, you could [snorts] refer this to staff for for a report. Uh if

[1:08:51] you're not interested in a staff report, if you're not interested in the concept

[1:08:54] and then then make that decision and and we'll be done with it. Uh if you are

[1:08:58] interested in it, uh refer to staff and we'll give you a report on on perhaps

[1:09:02] how to do it. You can do a one-off, but I don't recommend it.

[1:09:05] » No, I don't either. Okay. So what do you what do you want to do? I mean, I'm a

[1:09:10] fan of just leaving it.

[1:09:15] » Refer to staff. >> Okay, there's a refer to staff. I'm not

[1:09:19] a refer to staff, but >> for me, and that again, it's just my

[1:09:23] opinion. Uh, but the guy is just running his own business and he's trying to do

[1:09:28] it in a particular way with a little bit of promotion. And I really don't see a

[1:09:32] problem with it. But that's again, that's just me. So, I think you're

[1:09:36] right. Absolutely right. If if it's okay for one, it's okay for everyone. So

[1:09:41] maybe that has to that requires whatever it requires, be it an amendment or a

[1:09:45] policy or whatever. >> But uh I have zero problem with this at

[1:09:49] all. >> Okay. So um so answer me this question.

[1:09:55] We have a policy I think in part we used to have a taxi committee. I wasn't here

[1:10:02] but we had a taxi committee and um it's that

[1:10:08] We set the rates partially, I would suggest, because of the race to the

[1:10:11] bottom. So if it's 10, then I'm going to do it for nine, then I'm going to do it

[1:10:15] for eight, then I'm then nobody's winning. Nobody's getting anything. So

[1:10:19] as soon as he does this, the rest of them are going to feel compelled to do

[1:10:24] it. Um, and then they're losing five or they're losing whatever. That's just my

[1:10:32] thought. But anyway, if somebody wants to make a motion to do whatever, then

[1:10:36] this is that to me this is dangerous ground to

[1:10:39] walk on although I it's his it's his business so he can do it but just get

[1:10:45] ready for the rest of them to come and um

[1:10:49] » and we'll have to do it for all >> so your worship uh taxi rates are are

[1:10:53] regulated through our taxi >> bylaw

[1:10:56] » there is a provision within the bylaw I'm told to that council can can make uh

[1:11:02] rate decisions um it's not clear on through what mechanism them if it's

[1:11:07] policy or by motion or by law amendment. But um my suggestion to you because I I

[1:11:13] I believe exactly what you said is that nobody's getting rich in the taxi

[1:11:17] business. It's an important service to have in a community and so you need to

[1:11:21] protect against the race to the bottom that uh that it is a a business that

[1:11:27] someone can get into and and earn a reasonable living. Um the the idea of

[1:11:33] discounting below the the floor uh if it's done through a bylaw amendment

[1:11:38] would bring about a public hearing because we don't have an advisory

[1:11:42] committee on this anymore. A public hearing would allow other operators to

[1:11:46] to weigh in on the on the question to participate in the public uh process. So

[1:11:52] that's likely the kind of information you'll get back in a staff report.

[1:12:02] Okay, go ahead. >> Yeah, just quickly, um, it occurs to me

[1:12:06] that by >> we, like they said, we have a taxi board

[1:12:11] or committee that sets the rates >> and we're discussing allowing one

[1:12:16] operator to change the rates because that's in effect what he's doing. He's

[1:12:20] changing the rates. He's he's knocking a percentage off each ride. Mhm.

[1:12:24] » Um, so I think it's dangerous to go down that road without consulting with the

[1:12:28] people that are um that set those rates without and and it would affect the

[1:12:33] bylaw. So I think it has to be referred to staff.

[1:12:35] » Yeah, we Yeah. >> Okay. So it's getting is that a motion

[1:12:40] to refer to staff? Okay. Can I have a seconder?

[1:12:43] » Okay. Moved and seconded. Any more discussion on this one?

[1:12:47] Okay. All those in favor? >> Contrary and me.

[1:12:52] Okay. Good. And then we have engineering. I don't

[1:12:59] know what I have. Okay. We have uh the vending bylaw amendment proposal.

[1:13:09] Okay. [sighs]

[1:13:12] So, your worship, this letter um is a proposal to amend the bylaw to extend

[1:13:17] the hours till 3:30 a.m. that a uh a vendor could uh vend in the downtown.

[1:13:23] The proposal is that there are hungry people late late at night, way past my

[1:13:29] bedtime. and uh and this uh proprietor is is encouraging a bylaw amendment so

[1:13:36] that uh they can satisfy the need. >> Okay.

[1:13:45] What do we want to do with this one?

[1:13:52] » Go ahead. I'm not sure about the hours, but

[1:13:55] there's nothing inaccurate about this as far as if you go downtown on a Friday or

[1:14:01] Saturday night, sometimes after 8, there's nothing like we searched for a

[1:14:06] pizza to buy. KFC was closed. That one was closed. That like you you can't buy

[1:14:12] food anywhere if you're out with a group of people or alone or whatever. um a lot

[1:14:17] of times after 8, but definitely after 10, which I don't think is reasonable if

[1:14:22] there's a provision that we could create to to

[1:14:28] have a person be able to open up and sell some food after those hours. I'm

[1:14:32] not saying 3:00 a.m. I don't know if that's a good time or not. I don't know.

[1:14:37] But we definitely need we definitely need something done so people can buy

[1:14:42] food. I mean tourists come, they go for a walk, they go to the beach, they go

[1:14:46] see the lighthouse, they go around and then come back and what do you buy? Like

[1:14:52] everything's closed. So just just an option possibly for

[1:14:56] those people, travelers and locals.

[1:15:02] No person with or without a vending permit.

[1:15:07] Okay, here. No person with or without a vending permit shall vend between 3:00

[1:15:13] a.m. and 8:00 a.m. Oh, okay. They're saying they don't want

[1:15:17] to do They're saying up to 3. So, so the current bylaw allows you to bend up

[1:15:23] until 11 p.m. >> Uh, and the proposal that uh this vendor

[1:15:28] is is brought forward is uh >> I believe it's 3 3:00 a.m. So allowed to

[1:15:34] vend until 3:00 a.m. So extend the vending time by 4 hours. It doesn't mean

[1:15:39] a vendor has to, but it means they may if they so choose if the bylaw amendment

[1:15:44] were if the amendment were to be taken up by council.

[1:15:52] Go ahead. >> Can't see a downside to this one

[1:15:56] at all. I agree with uh with uh Kelly. It's uh it seems to me to be a

[1:16:01] no-brainer. Um there's a lot of bar traffic that gets out at 2:00 and

[1:16:06] they're usually hungry. Um and uh and there's a lot of people that work night

[1:16:11] shifts. So, it would accommodate those two groups of people and it would um it

[1:16:16] would be beneficial to the vendors. don't see a downside.

[1:16:22] » Go ahead, Derek. >> Uh, I had my light on earlier and I took

[1:16:25] it off because I'm definitely not um an expert on policy. So, I don't know what

[1:16:30] this means if if something were to change, but um I agree. I think it I

[1:16:35] think it would make sense to have something open because there is no place

[1:16:38] open at night. I think we've all said it as well is if we want the downtown to be

[1:16:43] busier, we need things to be open in the downtown. But we can't expect shop

[1:16:47] owners to stay open if they're not getting the business. So, it's it's like

[1:16:52] a it's a double-edged sword because they don't want to stay open and not get the

[1:16:54] business. We can't guarantee them the business, but if somebody starts vending

[1:16:58] and starts making good money at it, then maybe the shop owners will say it's

[1:17:02] worth staying open and, you know, serving sandwiches or something. Um, but

[1:17:06] it would make it'd be nice. And I think the um 8:00 a.m. changing from I think

[1:17:14] it was 11:00 a.m. or 1. >> Yeah. From 11 till 3 there's nothing

[1:17:20] » or no from 3 till 8. >> And I'm thinking I'm thinking 8:00 a.m.

[1:17:24] is probably for people going in the morning for before they get on the boat.

[1:17:29] But there are things open at 8:00 in the morning. So I don't but I think I'm just

[1:17:33] looking at the old policy. Yeah, the old policy said so it's just

[1:17:38] switching the 11 to three, >> I guess.

[1:17:41] » Whatever. Sorry. Whatever hours we would want to put on there,

[1:17:45] » right? >> Just do 24 hours. I don't care.

[1:17:47] » Yeah, I think it I think it looks good. I just don't know what it what the

[1:17:50] implications are of, you know, changing policy after the discussion we just had.

[1:17:54] So, >> good. Go ahead. kind of in the same way

[1:18:00] that uh we talked about the uh the taxi policy, although I do understand your

[1:18:05] points with that. We're not going to get into that again, but every time

[1:18:09] something that we do tells a business how they can

[1:18:13] run their business, it makes me itchy. And so I really wasn't paying that close

[1:18:19] attention to know that there was a rule against vendors being open beyond a

[1:18:24] certain time. If they're going to make money, let them do it. I I just I don't

[1:18:29] see a problem. And it also feels a little hypocritical for us to be trying,

[1:18:34] I know as a person who's involved in tourism, you you're trying to in

[1:18:40] encourage as many businesses downtown as possible, uh to stay open for the boats

[1:18:45] or for whatever to create kind of that that final downtown that we were looking

[1:18:50] for. Telling people they have to close down seems kind of counterproductive.

[1:18:58] Um I I I agree like let them open. My only

[1:19:04] I think of the downside as where are you going to be because it's obviously

[1:19:08] mobile, right? Where are you going to be? So you're not going to plant

[1:19:12] yourself where there's um how do you say people what what

[1:19:20] » Yeah. Okay. >> You can't just walk.

[1:19:23] » All right. Because the last thing you need at three o'clock in the morning is,

[1:19:27] you know, people leaving the bars and making lots of noise.

[1:19:32] » Oh, you like that? Let them open. >> Best hot dogs in the world were outback

[1:19:37] steamers. >> Yes, sir. [laughter]

[1:19:42] » Yeah. Yeah.

[1:19:45] But there are no houses there. Okay. So, um, what do you want to do

[1:19:52] with this? Do you want to send it? >> Chamber. Oh, sorry.

[1:19:58] » Oh, just >> come on up, M. Go ahead. [laughter]

[1:20:00] » Oh my gosh. I I should know this, but can you remind me where people are

[1:20:05] allowed to vend in the town of Yarmouth >> because things change. I know where they

[1:20:12] I'm just I'm just trying to remember. Is there

[1:20:15] » Can they vend anywhere or they only >> Well, I thought there were spaces. Do

[1:20:19] you remember where? Well, that was that was a long time ago.

[1:20:24] » Water >> street.

[1:20:26] » Yeah, there's there's a bylaw. There's designated areas. We can look it up, but

[1:20:29] it's not as it's not as uh >> it's like they can't park in front of my

[1:20:33] house. That's what I [laughter] was thinking. Like, I don't want to

[1:20:36] » It's not as limiting as it as it used to be. You had You used to get a right to a

[1:20:39] very specific spot and we had them painted on the street. Now it's more you

[1:20:44] can vend in an area, take a spot in an area.

[1:20:47] » That's okay then. >> Yeah.

[1:20:49] » Okay. What's up, Martin? >> Nothing. I can just retrieve back to my

[1:20:54] spot, but essentially it was the it's the location and and I think you said it

[1:20:58] as well, mayor. Um, do you feel as a body to refer back to us? Be happy to

[1:21:03] look at it, work with it, and sort of come back with something that addresses

[1:21:07] general nature of the discussion because I mean 7:30 is a bit odd as well if you

[1:21:10] ask me, you know. Um and so we'd be happy to sort of look at it, work with

[1:21:15] Adam and then come back with a package and a set of amendments that um

[1:21:19] hopefully reflects uh the discussion and then have you vote on that. But I think

[1:21:23] there's a general the sentiment um around our office I think is very

[1:21:27] similar to what you've been saying and happy to look at it and bring you

[1:21:30] something that you can work with. >> Okay. So so the motion go ahead. So I'd

[1:21:35] make a motion to refer this to our planning and development office ask for

[1:21:41] more work. Yes. >> Is there an understanding at the with

[1:21:44] the understanding of that we are interested in seeing them open?

[1:21:48] » We'll try to get it back to you as soon as we can.

[1:21:51] » Don't even set it. 24 hours. >> 24 open up.

[1:21:55] » You said it. >> So when Jeff comes to work, he can grab

[1:21:57] a coffee. >> It's really about the location, right?

[1:22:00] Like there's really very little reason why we should restrict the hours as long

[1:22:03] as the location is correct. >> Exactly.

[1:22:06] » But that's me without speaking with people who really understand this.

[1:22:11] » Yeah. Okay. Can I have a seconder? Moved and seconded. Any more discussion?

[1:22:17] All those in favor? >> I contrary motion carried.

[1:22:22] Okay. Next is Okay. 911 calls. The recommended motion there is to

[1:22:30] recommend the council direct staff to build the department of health for the

[1:22:33] cost of false 911 calls originating from the Yarmouth Regional Hospital. Were we

[1:22:38] not going to give them I I think I wrote these two, but we agreed that we were

[1:22:43] going to give them a heads up. >> Yeah, you can't just send somebody bill.

[1:22:47] You certainly can't send it retroactive uh without any notice. So, we would

[1:22:51] provide them notice uh and as far as establishing that rate, we'll come back

[1:22:56] to you with that. what the rate will be, >> okay?

[1:22:59] » Uh and what it's based on. So, if the motion passes, it will be it won't be

[1:23:03] just we'll run off willy-nilly and send a a bill. It will be we'll do a little

[1:23:07] bit of work. We'll provide notice. We'll get you to endorse the the rate and we

[1:23:12] will we will implement it. >> How long is that going to take?

[1:23:16] » Not long. [laughter]

[1:23:21] » Go ahead. >> Okay.

[1:23:24] Um, in this case, you know, I read the letter that was sent by the vice

[1:23:28] president and uh there's an admission that the efforts they put in so far have

[1:23:34] fallen short. They've admitted that >> and there's also a recognition that the

[1:23:39] problem is more complex than they originally thought. They thought that

[1:23:42] they could just throw a few switches in their telecommunications

[1:23:46] uh equipment and and all would be well. Mhm.

[1:23:49] » And there's also the acknowledgement that they're seeking a permanent

[1:23:52] solution and they've got their people on the job. It's an active priority for

[1:23:56] them. >> And there's a I think a suggestion that

[1:24:02] they would appreciate our patience. >> Y

[1:24:04] » as they work for solutions. So I don't know if I'd support sending them a bill

[1:24:09] at this point in time if they are um committed to finding a a solution. Um,

[1:24:15] and we've lived with this problem for how many years?

[1:24:18] » And I know we want to put an end to it. That's I understand that,

[1:24:21] » but we've lived with it for so so many years. And this is the first time that

[1:24:24] we've had this kind of an acknowledgement that they're taking the

[1:24:27] situation seriously and they're going to work on it and find a solution. So, I

[1:24:31] don't know if I could support a motion that we send them a bill.

[1:24:34] » Yep. That's okay. >> Anyone else?

[1:24:40] Um, see, we can't send it retroactive

[1:24:43] because I would do that too. This has been since 2025.

[1:24:48] So it takes a couple if it's going to take a couple years to

[1:24:53] we are Yeah. My issue is our taxpayers are paying big money for RCMP officers

[1:24:59] to run back and forth that many times. But that's that's just where I am. And

[1:25:05] we're going to let them know according to this one if it goes through.

[1:25:10] Anybody else? um your worship. Uh I joined council I

[1:25:16] think in the fall of 21 and I'm pretty sure that the first

[1:25:22] police advisory committee meeting that I attended this subject came up.

[1:25:28] » Yeah. >> So we have been

[1:25:32] communicating with the hospital >> years at least five years

[1:25:35] » for a long time. >> Yeah.

[1:25:41] It's just and and it's not from from my perspective. I'm not saying um we're

[1:25:47] going to bill you because you won't fix it. That that's not it. They're working

[1:25:51] on it and I respect that. Um what we're saying is you you can keep fixing it,

[1:25:57] but you're costing us t you're costing our taxpayers money and that's we can't

[1:26:03] we can't we're supposed to look after our taxpayers and their dollars. So, you

[1:26:08] know, with that the police are stretched far enough without

[1:26:13] But I I take Gil's point as well. Go ahead, uh Derek.

[1:26:16] » Um yeah, and the quarterly report at the police advisory yesterday, the numbers

[1:26:20] were consistent with what they've been for the last six years.

[1:26:23] » Yeah. >> Um I think there's been times where

[1:26:26] they've been a little higher and a little lower, but I was thinking this

[1:26:29] report that they might be lower. And um but I've seen like walking up Chestnut

[1:26:34] Street um and hearing the sirens racing up like when they get a 911 call they go

[1:26:40] fast and they're you know they're getting to the end of Water Street and

[1:26:44] turning the wrong way to get past that and it's it's dangerous when police cars

[1:26:48] are going that fast to get there. But they have to react that way. But then

[1:26:52] you've taken if there's only you know a couple members on you've taken those

[1:26:54] members brought them to the hospital um and something else could be happening in

[1:26:59] the town at the same time. So, um, I don't think it will ever probably get to

[1:27:03] a point of billing them. I think I think the thought of this is going to cost

[1:27:08] it's going to cost them because this, you know, the cost of what it costs for

[1:27:11] policing might encourage them to do it a little faster.

[1:27:14] » Yeah. >> Um, I think there's there's got to be a

[1:27:17] there can't be a hard a difficult solution to this. I I I can't see it.

[1:27:22] » Okay. All right. Any more discussion? All those in favor? I contrary.

[1:27:31] » Okay. And the next re recommended motion is um to recommend that council direct

[1:27:37] staff to investigate frequency and length of RCMP members tending to mental

[1:27:42] health patients at the Yarmouth Regional Hospital due to lack of mental health

[1:27:46] services and invoice the Department of Health for payment to the town. Um can I

[1:27:53] have a motion on that one? Moved. Can I have a second? Moved and seconded. So

[1:27:57] this one is it this one that was I mean there are

[1:28:02] other municipalities billing because it's just it's just a high cost and

[1:28:07] there's not sitting there for half an hour. They're sitting there for hours

[1:28:10] upon hours upon hours doing basically babysitting mental health patients

[1:28:16] because there's no uh mental health uh help up there in Yarmouth of all places.

[1:28:24] Go ahead. I'm quite sure that at police advisory that it was mentioned I don't

[1:28:29] know if it was it wasn't yesterday maybe the meeting before that the province is

[1:28:34] looking at hiring people to sit at the hospital in place of that.

[1:28:38] » Mhm. >> Um but I think if enough municipalities

[1:28:41] start once again if they start billing they're going to hire them faster

[1:28:43] because I don't know if I don't know what's incentivizing to hire

[1:28:47] » you know I think policing right now for the ministers uh Minister Armstrong is

[1:28:51] very important. Um, so I think, you know, they think they're going to be

[1:28:55] getting a a bill for this, maybe they'll start hiring those other people to to be

[1:29:00] there with them. So, >> yeah, it's a good point. Anyone else?

[1:29:05] And I know that they're working on this because the the the RCMP has asked for

[1:29:09] this. You know, it's not um we good. Okay. All those in favor?

[1:29:16] » I contrary motion carried. Uh >> oh yeah.

[1:29:24] » Oh yes. >> Uh Open Streets Milo Estates to

[1:29:29] recommend the council designate bid 90338666.

[1:29:34] 90338674 and 903386

[1:29:40] 82 is open streets. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on

[1:29:45] this one? All those in favor? I contrary

[1:29:51] motion carried and I think the only addition I had was just committees in

[1:29:56] October just to be think because we redo for committee members we have to look at

[1:30:00] so if you're thinking about anybody that could be a committee member and then we

[1:30:04] will sit around the table and switch up or do whatever we do uh in October. So

[1:30:10] just be thinking about where you want to be and motion to go on camera. Uh

[1:30:16] » oh, sorry. >> Could I ask that you adjourn this

[1:30:18] meeting? >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.

[1:30:20] » Special council meeting and go in camera there.

[1:30:22] » Yeah, >> that unless does that work?

[1:30:26] » Yeah. Okay. Um motion to adjourn

[1:30:32] and then we're going to have a special council meeting. Better be quick because

[1:30:36] Lindsay Okay, we good. All right. So, council meeting and all the same

[1:30:42] information as before. Okay. What's your issue for this? What are we doing? I

[1:30:48] don't >> Thank you.

[1:30:53] » Got it. Yeah. Watch this.

[1:30:58] You're going to I'm going to shock you. >> Thanks, guys.

[1:31:05] Sorry. You go.

[1:31:10] Call to order. Record of attendance absent with regrets. Any conflicts of

[1:31:14] interest? Anybody?

[1:31:17] Okay. U Okay. So, we've we've got um Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the

[1:31:23] agenda, please? Moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[1:31:28] All those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion carried. And we've got uh tender

[1:31:34] results. 2026 compost. uh that council award the tender for the lease of two

[1:31:40] skid steer loaders for the compost facility to to cat for a cost of $6,3495

[1:31:53] per month.

[1:31:58] Holy crap. Seriously, a month? Okay.

[1:32:05] Okay. Okay. Can I have a motion? Thank you. Moved.

[1:32:09] » Yeah. Can I have a >> very expensive?

[1:32:13] » I'm like, >> do I have a seconder?

[1:32:16] » Don't post a picture of it. >> No, I was just going to say and I

[1:32:19] promise I won't vote. Thanks, Derek.

[1:32:23] Who Who seconds? >> Thank you. Any discussion on this one?

[1:32:28] Aside from the fact that that's really expensive. All those in favor? I

[1:32:33] contrary motion carried uh personnel policy that council amend the personnel

[1:32:40] policy to include 5.07 cent reduction policy.

[1:32:46] Okay. Moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[1:32:49] All those in favor? Contrary? Motion carried. And the council amends

[1:32:55] section 5.02 of the personnel policy to include violence prevention.

[1:33:01] Moved and seconded. Seconded.

[1:33:06] All those in favor. [laughter] It's like pulling teeth. I'm not a dentist. All

[1:33:10] those in favor? I. Contrary. Motion carried. And then a motion to go in

[1:33:17] camera. Thank you.

Committee of the Whole Meeting - July 23, 2026

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