[0:38] - C'est une chambre pleine! It's

[0:41] nice to see everybody here.

[0:43] Merci, merci tout le! Monde à la

[0:44] séance du conseil du cette

[0:47] février dernier, nous avons

[0:49] rendu un hommage à monsieur

[0:51] Gregory bien lobby, très

[0:53] impliquée... impliqué, il est

[0:55] décédé le 16 janvier.

[0:57] Malheureusement, une erreur

[0:59] s'est glissée dans le texte

[1:02] concernant sa ville de

[1:03] résidence. Il a été mentionné

[1:06] qu'il était un résidant de

[1:08] Dorval alors que monsieur

[1:15] Bielby était un grand bénévole,

[1:16] mais également un résident de la

[1:17] Ville de Pointe-Claire. Au nom

[1:18] de la ville, je tiens à

[1:20] présenter des excuses à sa

[1:21] famille et ses amis pour cette

[1:23] erreur et leur souhaiter à

[1:26] nouveau toutes mes sympathies

[1:27] At the very seventh council

[1:29] meeting the pay tribute to Mr.

[1:33] Gregory -- and passed away on

[1:35] January 16th. Unfortunately, an

[1:36] error was made in the text

[1:38] regarding his city's residents.

[1:40] It was mentioned he was a

[1:41] resident of Dorval, whereas he

[1:44] was a great volunteer and, in

[1:45] fact, a resident of the city of

[1:47] Pointe-Claire. On behalf of the

[1:49] city I would like to apologize

[1:50] to his family and friends for

[1:52] this error and offer them,

[1:53] again, our deepest condolences.

[1:59] La rue Columbus... toujours à la

[2:01] séance du conseil du 7 février

[2:03] dernier, j'ai mentionné que nous

[2:05] avions eu une demande en

[2:09] novembre 2022 pour modifier le

[2:10] nom de la rue Columbus à

[2:14] Pointe-Claire, et que selon un

[2:15] document que nous avions en

[2:16] même, le nom de la rue était à

[2:19] la mémoire de Christophe Colomb.

[2:21] Aujourd'hui, je dois rectifier,

[2:24] encore une fois, ces propos:

[2:26] l'équipe des archives a

[2:28] poursuivi ses recherches et nous

[2:31] ont appris que dans l'ensemble

[2:32] des publications officielles

[2:34] incluant la correspondance entre

[2:35] la Ville de Pointe-Claire et la

[2:40] Commission de type autonomie du

[2:42] Québec, il n'y a aucune

[2:45] toponymie, pardon, il n'y a

[2:47] aucune information permettant

[2:48] d'établir un lien entre l'avenue

[2:50] Columbus et la mémoire de

[2:51] Christophe-Colomb.

[2:53] Still, at the council meeting of

[2:56] February 7th, I mentioned we had

[2:57] had a request in November, 2022,

[3:00] to change the name of Columbus

[3:01] Street in Pointe-Claire, and

[3:03] that according to a document we

[3:04] had in hand, the name of the

[3:06] street was in memory of

[3:08] Christopher Columbus. Today, I

[3:10] must correct this statement. The

[3:11] archives team has continued its

[3:13] research and informs us that, in

[3:14] all the official correspondence

[3:18] -- and the commission de

[3:27] toponymie de Québec -- memory of

[3:29] Christopher Columbus.

[3:32] - La Ville de Pointe-Claire

[3:34] s'apprête à signer une entente

[3:35] de collaboration avec

[3:37] l'organisme

[3:44] SportAid. SportAid est un

[3:45] organisme sans but lucratif

[3:47] indépendant créé en 2014 par une

[3:50] équipe de trois personnes

[3:52] interpellées par le phénomène de

[3:53] la violence dans les sports.

[3:56] L'organisme vise à offrir des

[3:58] services d'accompagnement,

[3:59] d'écoute et d'orientation aux

[4:00] jeunes le sportive, mais

[4:02] également, aux divers acteurs

[4:05] non sportif québécois, par,

[4:07] entraîneur, aux organisations

[4:09] sportives officielles et

[4:10] bénévoles au témoin de violence

[4:12] à l'égard des jeunes sportifs.

[4:15] Cette entente permettra à la

[4:17] Ville et aux clubs sportifs

[4:20] paramunicipaux qui sont le club

[4:22] aquatique et le club de

[4:25] canoë-kayak d'obtenir des

[4:26] services conseils personnalisés

[4:28] et de se faire accompagner dans

[4:31] le développement et l'adaptation

[4:33] des politiques et procédures en

[4:36] matière de sécurité dans le

[4:38] sport. Pointe-Claire la première

[4:40] ville à signer une entente avec

[4:44] SportAid et se positionne en

[4:46] tant que chef de file et

[4:49] pionnier pour l'engagement de

[4:51] leur ville qui vise à obtenir un

[4:54] milieu sportif, de loisirs

[4:56] sains, harmonieux et inclusif.

[4:58] Je tiens à remercier notre

[5:01] dynamique équipe de sport et

[5:03] loisirs et son directeur,

[5:05] monsieur Gilles Girouard. Ce

[5:08] partenariat démontre notre

[5:09] proactivité et notre souci de

[5:12] qualité et de services offerts à

[5:13] notre communauté.

[5:15] City of Pointe-Claire its back

[5:17] to Santa Clara ration with

[5:20] agreement with Sport'Aide.

[5:21] Sport'Aide it's an independent

[5:22] nonprofit organization created

[5:23] in 2014 by team of three people

[5:25] concerned by the phenomenon of

[5:26] violence in sports. The

[5:28] organization aims to offer

[5:29] support and guidance services to

[5:31] young athletes as well as to the

[5:33] various actors in the Québec

[5:35] sports world -- parents,

[5:36] coaches, sports organizations,

[5:37] officials and volunteers, who

[5:39] may have witnessed violence

[5:40] against young athletes. This

[5:42] agreement will allow the city

[5:43] and the power municipal sports

[5:45] clubs -- the aquatic club and

[5:48] canoe kayak club -- to obtain

[5:50] personalized consulting services

[5:51] and to be assisted in the

[5:53] development and adaptation of

[5:54] sports safety policies and

[5:57] procedures. Pointe-Claire it's

[5:58] the first city to sign an

[6:00] agreement with Sport'Aide,

[6:01] positioning it as a leader and

[6:04] further demonstrating our city's

[6:05] commitment to maintaining a

[6:06] healthy, safe, harmonious, and

[6:08] inclusive sports and recreation

[6:09] environment. I would like to

[6:11] thank our dynamic sports and

[6:12] recreation team and it's

[6:17] director. This partnership

[6:18] demonstrates our partnership and

[6:20] concern for the quality of

[6:21] services offered to our

[6:23] community. Elections --

[6:27] Comme Excuse me --

[6:28] Vous le savez, déjà nous aurons

[6:30] des élections partielles le 23

[6:32] avril prochain pour le district

[6:35] deux afin d'élire une

[6:36] remplaçante ou un remplaçant

[6:38] pour combler le poste laissé

[6:40] vacant depuis le départ de la

[6:42] conseillère, madame Erin

[6:44] Tedford. Depuis vendredi le dix,

[6:46] mars toutes les informations

[6:47] sont disponibles sur notre site

[6:50] Internet, les dates

[6:56] d'éligibilité débatteurs,

[6:57] l'endroit du vote, les

[6:58] candidats, etc.. N'hésitez pas à

[7:00] consulter le site si vous avez

[7:01] des questions.

[7:02] As you already know, we will

[7:04] have a by-election on April 23rd

[7:06] for district 20 11, -- left by

[7:10] the replacement of -- Erin

[7:13] Tedford. -- it's available on

[7:17] our website. Dates, eligibility

[7:19] of voters, voting location,

[7:21] candidates, it's set to. Do not

[7:23] hesitate to consult the site if

[7:25] you have any questions.

[7:34] >> Adoption of the

[7:35] - Agenda, with changes.

[7:36] Adoption de l'ordre du jour avec

[7:37] changement, le retrait des

[7:42] points The withdrawal of 6.2 et

[7:44] 15.4. 6.2 and 15.4.

[7:46] >> Do I have a mover?

[7:49] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[7:52] district three.

[7:53] >> -- district to.

[7:55] >> All in favour? Okay.

[7:58] 2.1 Proclamer le 17 mai 2023

[7:59] comme étant la journée

[8:00] internationale contre

[8:01] l'homophobie et la transphobie.

[8:06] The claim -- international day

[8:10] against homophobia and

[8:11] transphobia.

[8:14] 3.1 Approuver le procès verbal

[8:15] de la séance ordinaire du 7

[8:16] février 2023.

[8:23] 3.2, violin approve the minutes

[8:24] of the traffic committee meeting

[8:26] of January 24th, 2023.

[8:28] >> Do I have a mover?

[8:31] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[8:32] district three.

[8:34] >> And a seconder?

[8:35] >> -- district, too.

[8:40] >> Question period?

[8:43] Tout le monde comprend les

[8:44] règles? We have

[8:45] A 90 minute limit. And

[8:47] Pointe-Claire citizens first.

[8:49] >> We have a list --

[8:51] >> Oh, yes --

[8:52] >> Do you want to start with the

[8:55] representative of school?

[9:03] >>

[9:04] -- St. Thomas.

[9:10] >> Good evening, I'm Mary Joseph

[9:16] Coutu, principle of -- extremely

[9:18] proud of, along with their

[9:19] teacher

[9:25] Doiyonne -- for safety and

[9:28] security during our drop off in

[9:30] the morning -- it's been pretty

[9:32] hectic and there's a lot of

[9:34] traffic. And they took the

[9:36] initiative to start looking into

[9:38] this and have been working on

[9:40] this project. And before I pass

[9:42] it along to them I have to thank

[9:45] the city of Pointe-Claire,

[9:47] Pointe-Claire security, Mr.

[9:48] Tanguay, and Mr. reshod, who,

[9:50] when we started meeting, they

[9:52] took the time to meet with me,

[9:54] and had been present at the

[9:56] school to really help us and

[9:58] support us. So, I can't thank

[10:02] them enough. So thank you. I

[10:04] have Yves with me, Samantha,

[10:07] Gabriel, and -- Lawrence. They

[10:10] are going to speak to a bit

[10:12] about our project.

[10:15] >> Dear Pointe-Claire City

[10:24] Councillors -- the Pointe-Claire

[10:26] City councillors and Mr. Mayor.

[10:27] Thank you for having us here

[10:28] this evening. The reason we

[10:29] wanted to do this project is

[10:31] because we found that there was

[10:32] a lot of traffic around the

[10:35] school. And it wasn't always

[10:37] safe for staff and students. We

[10:41] felt it was very important to

[10:43] try to find ways to improve the

[10:46] safety around our school.

[10:52] >> The seven classes of

[10:56] secondary to -- working on this

[10:57] for the last few months. In

[10:59] groups of two, we had to come up

[11:01] with some solutions to help fix

[11:04] these problems. We had students

[11:05] stand outside in the morning to

[11:07] monitor and record how many

[11:08] roles were being broken. For

[11:09] example, jaywalking, or not

[11:12] stopping in the right areas was

[11:14] one of the most dangerous ones

[11:15] and we had to prioritize the

[11:18] biggest problems.

[11:20] >> Some of the ideas that we

[11:23] came up with are an extra cross

[11:24] walk, flashing crosswalk button,

[11:27] installation of a sidewalk on

[11:28] the west side of broad view,

[11:30] extra traffic signs, adding a

[11:32] crossing guard, just to name a

[11:33] few. The document that will be

[11:35] submitted lists all of our

[11:39] ideas.

[11:40] >> We really learned a lot

[11:41] working on this project, since

[11:43] it affects the entire school

[11:44] population. And it allowed us to

[11:47] participate directly in this

[11:48] process to make a difference at

[11:50] our school. Again, we thank you

[11:51] for your time and consideration

[11:53] this evening and hope that you

[11:55] will think about some of our

[11:58] ideas to make it safer around

[12:01] St. Thomas High School. Merci

[12:03] [Applause]

[12:04] Beaucoup

[12:05] >>!

[12:06] (applaudissements)

[12:07] Bravo!

[12:09] Thanks very much. Yeah, of

[12:10] course, absolutely.

[12:12] >> I'm Councillor Kelly

[12:14] Thorstad-Cullen, and on behalf

[12:16] of Councillor Homan, I just want

[12:17] to say a huge thank you. It is a

[12:21] wonderful initiative. We did

[12:22] hear some concerns from our

[12:23] residents and we are going to

[12:25] direct them for the link for

[12:27] this evening to see all of your

[12:28] hard work. We greatly appreciate

[12:29] it. Because this was an amazing

[12:31] collaboration and you have taken

[12:32] a great and it should eventually

[12:34] fantastic leadership. So, thank

[12:35] you. Thank you very much.

[12:36] [Applause]

[12:43] >> So, do we move to bury

[12:46] Christiansen? Pointe-Claire

[12:48] citizens association?

[12:51] >> Mr. Paul Atkinson was first.

[12:55] >> Yeah.

[13:02] >> Oh,

[13:03] - O.K., O.K., okay. Sorry about

[13:04] that. C'était pour le...

[13:08] I'm sorry, Mister Mayor, we --

[13:11] proceed with the conversation

[13:15] presentation by Barry Christian

[13:17] --

[13:18] >> --

[13:19] - Non, il n'y a rien là... wow,

[13:21] there goes half la moitié de the

[13:22] room.

[13:23] La Chambre...

[13:24] (rires)

[13:59] >> What an effect on the room,

[14:01] right? Good to go?

[14:04] >> Yep.

[14:05] >> The Pointe-Claire citizens

[14:06] Association would like to

[14:07] recognize the great work of

[14:09] public works this year with snow

[14:10] removal. We put together thank

[14:11] you card that we would like to

[14:13] present on the behalf of the

[14:14] members. This year was

[14:16] extraordinary. The snow drops

[14:17] were falling, the trucks were

[14:19] picking it up before it hit the

[14:20] ground. It's just an awesome job

[14:21] this year. We are really proud

[14:23] and very happy to be living in

[14:25] Pointe-Claire and with the great

[14:27] team that -- behalf. Thank you

[14:29] very much.

[14:30] [Applause]

[14:34] >> So, all credit goes to Erik

[14:38] and Madame Russia low -- they

[14:41] are the magic workers on this

[14:43] project.

[15:14] So, Paul, I think we are ready

[15:17] for you. Apologies for not

[15:18] getting to last meeting. We will

[15:20] make sure it happens this time

[15:23] around.

[15:24] >> Can you hear me okay?

[15:26] >> Yap.

[15:27] >> Okay. Good evening -- spoke

[15:30] to Councillor Tara Stainforth --

[15:32] condos. Instead of being

[15:35] installed a couple of stories

[15:36] high and shining down onto the

[15:37] parking lot, these were

[15:38] installed low to the ground. In

[15:40] trying to cross the parking lot

[15:41] and into the houses on calls

[15:44] them at night -- these lights

[15:45] are incredibly bright to the

[15:46] point where the Black help lines

[15:48] and curtains that I installed

[15:50] are basically insufficient. The

[15:52] light comes into the sides and

[15:55] basically illuminates my

[15:56] bedroom. It also shines in the

[15:59] bathroom in the back of my

[16:00] house, lighting up the top

[16:01] floor. I'm someone who has small

[16:05] children. And all of us are

[16:08] being affected by poor quality

[16:09] of sleep because of this

[16:11] lighting situation. We also have

[16:12] seniors on our street who had

[16:14] the same issue. They are not

[16:16] getting the sleep they need as

[16:18] well. According to the city's

[16:20] bylaw, and I quote, the

[16:21] intensity of a brightness of

[16:23] parking lot lighting shell at no

[16:25] time create a nuisance for the

[16:26] neighbouring properties. This is

[16:30] bylaw -- chapter seven, 7.5.

[16:33] We've spoken to Public Security.

[16:35] But they feel there is nothing

[16:36] to be done for the following

[16:38] reasons. The first is that the

[16:39] distance of the light fixture

[16:41] from our house is. But the bylaw

[16:44] makes no mission mention of

[16:46] distance. And only mentioned the

[16:48] intensity or brightness, which

[16:49] is the problem. And second,

[16:52] public security was told by the

[16:54] condo board that they reduce the

[16:55] brightness of the light. However

[16:57] the residents of Austin have not

[16:59] seen a difference. But public

[17:01] security believes that, because

[17:02] they were told that by the condo

[17:06] board that they made an effort

[17:07] -- they feel that they acted in

[17:10] good faith -- and apparently

[17:11] that's enough to close the case.

[17:15] But if reality, nothing has been

[17:17] done to help us. Any effort to

[17:22] resolve this has been an abject

[17:24] failure. So, as an Austin

[17:28] resident this is just the latest

[17:31] incident asking the City for

[17:32] assistance and being -- so, when

[17:35] the Sotramont project began, we

[17:37] assured our privacy would not be

[17:39] affected. Our privacy is now

[17:42] nonexistent. -- proper foliage

[17:45] between Sotramont properties and

[17:46] our homes. And now with the

[17:48] installation of the one west

[17:49] condos and the people who can

[17:50] stare at directly into our

[17:52] bedroom windows -- we have a

[17:53] ditch that is not only being

[17:55] drowned from mosquitoes, by that

[17:56] flooded last, rain causing

[17:58] significant damage to your

[18:00] residents home. We asked for

[18:01] study to be done to ensure this

[18:03] wouldn't happen again. But the

[18:04] city denied that. And because --

[18:06] last week -- stated that there's

[18:09] an increased chance of flooding

[18:10] this spring due to the amount of

[18:12] snow that's on the ground. As

[18:13] you can, legends causing anxiety

[18:15] for residents, which is --

[18:19] animosity towards the city. So,

[18:20] now we have this lighting

[18:21] situation. But really, that's

[18:22] just the latest problem. So, my

[18:24] first question tonight is, why

[18:26] won't the City respect its own

[18:27] bylaw in regards to the light

[18:28] that is shining directly into

[18:30] our houses?

[18:32] >> Well, this is all news to me,

[18:34] Mister Atkinson, and as you

[18:35] know, I feel for the citizens of

[18:38] Austin big-time. And that can be

[18:41] easily looked into. Can you give

[18:42] photographs or a filament or

[18:43] show the effect of the lighting?

[18:48] So that people don't have to go

[18:49] tonight? Can you give us

[18:50] evidence or show visually?

[18:52] >> --

[19:01] >> Okay.

[19:03] >> As you see, our -- at

[19:06] different times --

[19:07] >> That's what I --

[19:09] >> -- appear less bright.

[19:12] >> Okay. So, when it's at its

[19:13] worst, can you take a picture?

[19:15] So that we can --

[19:17] >> It's basically like somebody

[19:20] parking their car in front of my

[19:21] house and turning their rights

[19:22] on and turning shining them into

[19:25] my house.

[19:26] >> Well, lightning is something

[19:28] that can be solved. -- I've

[19:30] always felt for you guys. I feel

[19:33] it is something that we should

[19:34] be able to look into and it's an

[19:36] easier solution of a lot of the

[19:38] impediments that you guys are up

[19:39] against. I don't see any reason

[19:40] why we can't look into it and

[19:41] tried and better it. I see no

[19:43] reason for that. But

[19:44] >> We have tried. Just for the

[19:45] record, we have tried, we have

[19:47] spoken to Councillor Stainforth.

[19:48] I spoke to Public Security. But

[19:50] it's like nothing is getting

[19:52] resolved and we are still stuck

[19:53] in this same situation.

[19:56] >> Okay.

[19:57] >> May I speak?

[19:59] >> Yes.

[20:00] >> We've been in touch with the

[20:02] condo association. And they had

[20:04] an electrician come in and make

[20:06] alterations to the lights.

[20:09] Unfortunately, as is Mr. Tongaue

[20:18] explained -- essentially told us

[20:20] they will bring us to court. And

[20:22] because the distance doesn't

[20:24] fall within immediate neighbours

[20:28] and all of the immediate

[20:29] neighbours are happy with the

[20:31] lighting situation as is, so we

[20:33] have tried to negotiate with

[20:34] them in order to try and find a

[20:36] solution for everybody rather

[20:38] than play hardball and issue

[20:40] tickets. We have been working

[20:42] with them to reduce the impact

[20:45] of the lighting on those

[20:47] neighbours on -- and with hope

[20:51] that that would help at the

[20:52] situation.

[20:53] >> It hasn't. And by your

[20:54] reasoning, I could set up lights

[20:56] on top of my house and shined

[20:58] them at the condo building at a

[21:00] vacant -- and just say, I'm too

[21:02] far away, you can't do anything

[21:03] about it. And I don't think

[21:04] that's what we should be here

[21:08] for -- here for.

[21:10] >> No, which is why we've been

[21:11] in communication with him on

[21:12] several occasions and we've been

[21:13] sending our inspectors by to

[21:14] check the lighting.

[21:17] That's where the situation is at

[21:19] this point in time. If the mayor

[21:22] has better ideas to collaborate

[21:24] with the inspector, with

[21:29] inspector Tongaue, then for sure

[21:30] we are open to doing whatever we

[21:33] can to resolve the issue. That

[21:35] is our goal. I saw the lights. I

[21:37] have been on Austin. So I know

[21:38] that they are quite bright. Our

[21:40] goal has been to resolve --

[21:43] >> I have offered, anyone, if

[21:45] they want to come to my house

[21:46] and I vacancy with the situation

[21:49] looks at night.

[21:50] >> I was just going to suggest

[21:52] that. I will do that. I will do

[21:54] that, Mr. Atkinson. I will come

[21:57] by and look. I also don't think

[21:59] that litigation should prevent

[22:00] someone from doing the right

[22:01] thing. -- I will come

[22:02] personally.

[22:04] >> Thanks.

[22:05] >> So, my second question

[22:07] tonight. For the past couple of

[22:08] months, councillors have been --

[22:10] for the Fairview product to move

[22:13] forward. But again, they have

[22:14] not done anything to fix the

[22:17] problems that have created for

[22:19] residents on Austin, given that

[22:21] the project done by Sotramont

[22:24] and one west -- so, this miss,

[22:26] ironically started with the

[22:27] public consultation between

[22:28] developers, the city and Austin

[22:30] residents. So, in 2019, the City

[22:33] claimed to be understanding of

[22:34] our concerns. So, they set up a

[22:36] consultation. Because they said

[22:38] they wanted the integration of

[22:40] the Sotramont project to

[22:42] basically accommodate all

[22:43] parties. And when we showed up

[22:45] for the meeting, city officials

[22:47] told us that they weren't

[22:48] getting involved. They basically

[22:49] said, you can plead your case to

[22:51] the developer and see what

[22:52] happens. And what happened was,

[22:54] the developer, essentially,

[22:56] ignored our concerns. And the

[22:57] City turned their backs on us.

[23:00] We asked for contingency plans

[23:01] in case things went awry with

[23:03] the project. And the city said

[23:05] they'd prefer to wait and see

[23:06] what happened. So, when things

[23:08] went wrong, instead of trying to

[23:09] remedy the issues, they ignored

[23:12] us and eventually just started

[23:13] lay bling us as complainers. So,

[23:16] given our experience, we feel

[23:18] that there is no reason to

[23:19] believe that the current public

[23:22] consultations won't roll out the

[23:24] same way. The fact that you

[23:26] chose a room before you knew how

[23:28] many people plan to attend and

[23:29] the fact that discussing Mu2 is

[23:32] off the table is a clear

[23:33] indication that you are

[23:34] intending to use the same tactic

[23:36] that was used on us in 2019.

[23:38] When people point the finger at

[23:39] you later on, you will say, we

[23:41] held a meeting, we did a

[23:43] consultation. And the

[23:44] expression, if only once, shame

[23:46] on me -- that's where I am at

[23:48] right now. It all feels like a

[23:50] sham. So, I don't classify

[23:52] myself as pro or anti

[23:54] development. But if the city is

[23:57] unable to fix the situation that

[23:59] we face on Austin, you have no

[24:01] business even considering a

[24:02] project the size of Cadillac

[24:04] Fairview. Because when issues

[24:06] that affect residents arrive as,

[24:08] you simply don't have the

[24:09] capacity, competency or

[24:10] willingness to resolve them. And

[24:12] if you feel that I'm incorrect,

[24:14] prove me wrong and fix the

[24:16] issues affecting Austin

[24:17] residents.

[24:20] -- quality of life the same way

[24:24] it was prior to the installation

[24:25] of the Sotramont and one west

[24:26] projects. Both the Mayor and

[24:29] Councillor Stainforth who

[24:30] campaigned on a street during

[24:31] the election and said something

[24:32] had to be done about the

[24:34] situation. So a year and a half

[24:36] later all we are hearing is,

[24:39] it's complicated, we are in a

[24:40] state of transition, because

[24:42] Robert Weemaes left, you tell us

[24:44] that there's ongoing

[24:46] negotiations between Sotramont

[24:48] and the city, but no one is

[24:49] providing us any clarity about

[24:50] what's going on. These

[24:52] negotiations are going to impact

[24:53] the people who live adjacent to

[24:55] this projects. The latest -- one

[24:57] of the latest problems on the

[24:59] list is the ditch, which you

[25:00] can't talk about, because you

[25:01] are being sued. It is municipal

[25:05] inertia at its worst. It is all

[25:08] talk and no action. So, my

[25:13] second question tonight, is,

[25:16] what's the city's plan to

[25:17] resolve the issues that the

[25:18] residents on Austin are facing,

[25:20] given the construction of the

[25:22] Greenwich and 1 West projects?

[25:27] -- adjacent to them.

[25:32] >> It's a tough question for me.

[25:34] Because I understand where you

[25:35] are coming from, 100%. Had I had

[25:38] my druthers -- I'm not a big

[25:40] fan, as you know, of that

[25:42] project, and the consequences of

[25:43] it. And I thank you for bringing

[25:46] them up and making them apparent

[25:47] to everybody else in

[25:48] Pointe-Claire who does not

[25:49] really realize what happened in

[25:50] Austin as a result of that

[25:51] project. There is litigation

[25:53] involved, so I can't speak

[25:55] specifically to what we are

[25:56] going to do. I can tell you

[25:59] personally that I really take

[26:04] seriously your comments on

[26:06] consultation. And I agree with

[26:08] you on that. And picking the

[26:11] room and the size -- there are

[26:13] people that aren't getting into

[26:14] it and haven't been allowed to

[26:16] participate because we don't

[26:17] have enough accommodation. That

[26:18] shouldn't be happening. We

[26:19] should let everybody -- my

[26:20] feeling is we should let

[26:22] everybody talk and let everybody

[26:23] speak. That would be my hope.

[26:25] And to make it a fair and

[26:27] effective process, that's the

[26:28] whole point of this exercise.

[26:30] And if it isn't, I hope that the

[26:34] citizens will speak up about if

[26:36] the process is not just, if it

[26:38] is feared in a certain way and

[26:40] harnessed and marshalled or

[26:41] coerced, I would hope the

[26:43] citizens would give us feedback

[26:45] to suggest that that is the

[26:46] case.

[26:47] >> I mean, on social media,

[26:48] people have already started

[26:49] saying that it feels like a bait

[26:50] and switch.

[26:53] >> Well, we have to let it

[26:55] happen first. We can't -- you

[26:58] know, we can't claim it's

[27:00] something before it's happened.

[27:01] But I understand your concerns.

[27:03] I understand what happened in

[27:06] that project. And that project

[27:07] should be held as a beacon of

[27:09] light to everybody with

[27:10] development going forward. And I

[27:13] feel that Pointe-Claire -- not

[27:14] enough of Pointe-Claire truly

[27:16] understands the consequences of

[27:17] that development. I agree with

[27:18] you, 100%, on that.

[27:20] >> But again, why can't we do

[27:21] something to fix this situation

[27:23] before moving forward? We are

[27:24] always looking to the next

[27:25] project. We are not fixing what

[27:29] was, essentially, destroyed.

[27:31] >> We will see this spring. We

[27:35] will know the truth is spring as

[27:36] to how much fixing is required.

[27:39] Basically, the city was saved by

[27:42] Pointe-Claire volunteer rescue

[27:43] last spring, who did a superb

[27:45] job and kept pumps going nonstop

[27:47] through the entire flooding

[27:50] process. And people don't

[27:52] realize how dangerous that was

[27:54] for the city, since citizens of

[27:56] Austin. -- and the equipment

[27:58] they had and they pumping up

[27:59] when and they have. And they

[28:02] saved a disaster and it's not

[28:03] fair to expect them to do that

[28:05] over and over and over again.

[28:07] Nor is it fair to expect that to

[28:09] happen just in the future

[28:11] citizens and -- future projects.

[28:12] And yes, we have to be on that,

[28:13] and we have to prevent it. I'm

[28:16] with you, 100%.

[28:17] >> I agree with you. They did a

[28:20] fantastic job. But it should not

[28:21] have gotten to that --

[28:23] >> I agree. I will be over to

[28:27] see your lights. And I will

[28:30] hopefully keep a careful eye on

[28:32] the public consultation process.

[28:35] And I am listening to all of you

[28:36] and any concerns that anybody

[28:39] expresses, I am your voice, your

[28:41] mouthpiece on that. Because,

[28:43] like you, I share, 100%, your

[28:45] concerns for the prices and

[28:46] whether it is affecting citizen

[28:49] participation. I really, really

[28:50] like that. That is the goal of

[28:52] the exercise. Thanks.

[29:00] So, we are at -- Linda Douette

[29:09] --

[29:10] >> High. I want to talk about

[29:11] the mandate letter attached to

[29:15] the -- about -- about making an

[29:22] in-camera meetings and leading

[29:23] to some consultations with

[29:26] Fairview, to get them -- step

[29:28] out of the ongoing planning

[29:30] program process.

[29:31] And eventually out of the

[29:33] freeze. And the wording of -- in

[29:36] the resolution, as it was

[29:37] passed, says it's a mandate

[29:39] letter that will be attached to

[29:40] it. The mandate letter provided

[29:42] is the only one that exists --

[29:46] the city manager. And she is

[29:48] referring to a letter that was

[29:50] sent from the city manager to

[29:52] Fairview. But the resolution

[29:56] says, the mandate letter, to the

[29:59] city manager, from Council, that

[30:01] is to provide guidelines for the

[30:05] -- we filed with passage of this

[30:07] resolution and the integral to

[30:08] this resolution and that the

[30:09] city manager will update Council

[30:10] as the dialogue advances. When

[30:13] asked for this mandate letter,

[30:15] it was no -- one was able to

[30:16] produce it from the City so, I

[30:22] have two questions. One, when

[30:23] will we see the mandate letter?

[30:25] Because I don't think that the

[30:27] resolution is valid without it.

[30:30] And yet, it was acted on.

[30:32] Because February 3rd, a letter

[30:33] was sent to Fairview. With the

[30:36] city manager saying she had a

[30:37] mandate, which we haven't seen?

[30:39] And that is nice. By then, my

[30:42] question too is, what did

[30:44] Fairview respond to this letter?

[30:46] It's been more than a month. I'm

[30:47] sure you've got some response.

[30:48] What was the response?

[30:51] >> That one first? It was not a

[30:56] positive one. Without getting

[30:58] into specifics, it was not a

[30:59] positive one. I am not sure if I

[31:01] am to speak to it -- I am to

[31:02] speak to it, Madam Thibeault?

[31:07] >> --

[31:08] >> Not a positive one. -- the

[31:11] initiative proposed in the

[31:12] letter.

[31:13] >> Okay. Count me not surprised.

[31:17] So, the mandate letter -- will

[31:19] never see the light of day

[31:21] because it was never produced

[31:22] and doesn't exist?

[31:23] >> Did you try access to

[31:25] information?

[31:26] >> -- the city clerk said, and I

[31:29] quote -- where would be that?

[31:36] Sorry, I lost that piece of

[31:38] paper. Anyway, the city clerk

[31:41] said, the mandate letter

[31:44] provided -- that is, the one

[31:46] provided from our city manager,

[31:47] to Fairview, which is not a

[31:49] mandate letter. It's a letter

[31:50] saying that she has a mandate.

[31:52] Is the only one that exists --

[31:54] in fact, the guidelines from the

[31:55] council to the city manager are

[31:57] included in the mandate letter

[31:58] sent to Cadillac Fairview. Well,

[32:01] that's nice that it's not a

[32:03] mandate letter from City Council

[32:05] to the city manager. So, what is

[32:07] the entire mandate? And is it so

[32:10] going forward? Are there other

[32:12] attempts to make it happen?

[32:13] >> To make what happen, Ms.

[32:20] Douette?

[32:21] >> --

[32:22] >> Apparently, Cadillac Fairview

[32:23] responded in the negative. From

[32:26] my perspective, I've never --

[32:28] I've wanted public consultation

[32:30] and the citizens to determine

[32:32] the future, to specify their

[32:35] version of the City of the

[32:36] future, prior to doing any

[32:39] negotiations with any

[32:40] developers. I wanted to hear the

[32:42] citizen voice first. So, that

[32:43] has always been my preference.

[32:45] This might actually help. Who

[32:47] knows? It might be serendipity.

[32:50] >> Okay. Is this initiative now

[32:51] did in the water?

[32:53] >> Nothing is dead in the water.

[32:54] It's an ongoing process. You

[32:56] never know what is going to

[32:57] happen, going forward.

[32:59] >> Okay. So, then --

[33:01] >> You are saying that we need

[33:02] to find a letter that mandate

[33:04] the letter?

[33:05] >> We need to find the mandate.

[33:06] Without the mandate, the

[33:08] resolution is not valid. If it's

[33:09] not valid, why did our city

[33:11] manager act on it? I mean, she

[33:12] should not have gone forward

[33:14] without a mandate letter. And as

[33:15] she went forward without a

[33:17] mandate letter, it's kind of

[33:19] ridiculous. The resolution says

[33:22] the mandate letter is integral

[33:23] to the resolution. It's an

[33:26] integral part. It's an integral

[33:27] part. Where is it?

[33:30] >> Okay.

[33:31] >> The whole wording of

[33:33] everything is a real dogs

[33:34] breakfast. That's a technical

[33:35] term.

[33:38] >> The resolution is the mandate

[33:40] from the City Council.

[33:42] >> Well, that cannot possibly

[33:43] be. It cannot possibly be

[33:45] because the letter contains

[33:47] facts and suggestions not

[33:49] included in the resolution. It

[33:51] says other things that the

[33:53] resolution didn't say. So,

[33:54] therefore, that's not possible.

[33:57] The resolution is not the

[33:58] mandate letter. It's not

[33:59] possible. The two don't contain

[34:01] the same set of facts. They are

[34:02] not the same wording. And the

[34:05] resolution refers to a mandate

[34:06] letter to be sent from the City

[34:07] Council to the city manager. A

[34:10] mandate letter doesn't say, this

[34:12] resolution is a mandate letter,

[34:13] is the mandate to the city

[34:14] manager. It talks about a

[34:16] separate letter, which must

[34:20] exist -- or, how could the

[34:21] resolution be dealt with?

[34:27] It's kind of amateur hour.

[34:30] >> Well, I wouldn't phrase it

[34:31] that way. But but perhaps

[34:33] there's a letter to be found.

[34:35] And perhaps it can be revisited.

[34:37] Who knows? But --

[34:41] >> Well, I would like assurances

[34:42] either that the Council

[34:43] withdraws the resolution, or

[34:44] puts it into a proper form.

[34:48] >> If I will, Mr. Thomas?

[34:51] >> Yes, go ahead.

[34:53] >> I just want to make sure we

[34:54] are on the same page with Mrs.

[35:00] Douette. -- there is no letter

[35:03] from Council to Mrs. -- the

[35:04] mandate given by the council was

[35:07] in the resolution explaining

[35:10] what was the future --

[35:12] >> That's nice. That's nice.

[35:15] >> Ms. Douette --

[35:18] >> -- the reality. And the

[35:22] resolution is perfectly legal.

[35:25] >> Well, the fact is, the

[35:28] resolution refers to a separate

[35:29] document. It doesn't say that

[35:31] the resolution is the mandate.

[35:32] It says that there is a mandate

[35:35] letter that will be filed and

[35:38] that will be from the City

[35:40] Council to the city manager.

[35:43] >> --

[35:44] >> It refers to a separate

[35:45] letter. It does not say that the

[35:48] resolution is the mandate.

[35:49] >> I -- a bit further with you

[35:52] about this topic.

[35:54] >> Thank you, Ms. Douette, your

[35:57] intervention was most

[35:58] illuminating.

[36:00] >> Thank you.

[36:03] >> Susan Weaver?

[36:16] >> Susan Weaver, Pointe-Claire.

[36:17] A little more basic question --

[36:19] this is a concern to me as a

[36:21] taxpayer and as a senior citizen

[36:22] on a fixed income. In May 2022,

[36:28] you allocated $500,000 to the

[36:31] reserve for legal fees. How many

[36:34] lawsuits have been filed against

[36:36] our city? And will this reserve

[36:39] cover all the lawsuits and legal

[36:41] fees?

[36:42] >> Good question. Madam

[36:43] Thibault?

[36:46] >> I don't have the answer --

[36:48] but I will provide you with the

[36:50] right information, Mrs. Ms.

[36:52] Weaver, but I don't have the

[36:55] right information right now.

[36:56] >> Okay.

[36:57] >> I can easily -- the

[37:00] information, but not now.

[37:01] >> Yes, I understand. Okay. I

[37:03] think it's important, probably

[37:04] -- well, for me, and to all

[37:06] taxpayers, to know these things.

[37:08] >> Yeah, of course.

[37:10] >> Okay. Basic?

[37:11] >> The lawyers -- if I could

[37:13] intervene -- legal protection is

[37:14] there to protect the citizens.

[37:16] So, it's quite a worthwhile

[37:18] investment. It protects the

[37:20] interests, financially, and

[37:23] otherwise of Pointe-Claire.

[37:25] >> -- okay. And Mr. Thomas,

[37:31] you've made claims, most

[37:33] recently, in the media, as to

[37:36] most and sleep populated -- and

[37:38] vacant apartments or condos.

[37:40] When you get your statistics

[37:41] from?

[37:43] >> I never made any such

[37:45] comments, Ms. Weaver. Do you

[37:47] have them? I never said anything

[37:49] like that.

[37:50] >> You said it on CJAD.

[37:54] >> No, I didn't say that on

[37:57] CJAD. -- do you have a

[37:58] transcript? Because -- I'm just

[38:04] wondering. --

[38:05] >> I heard it on --

[38:07] >> If you have a quote. Innuendo

[38:10] but no actual evidence --

[38:24] >> Nasser el-Dhabi?

[38:28] >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor and

[38:31] City Council. I hope you are

[38:32] doing well. I'm always facing

[38:36] the problem, really, or causing

[38:37] a problem. As you hear everybody

[38:43] talking about -- the kids can

[38:44] hear about the traffic --

[38:45] school, and everything, all the

[38:49] traffic. -- he knows about all

[38:52] the traffic, but he ignore all

[38:54] of that and --

[38:56] >> Excuse me? That's false. You

[38:57] are making an assumption and

[39:01] false statements -- I think nor

[39:03] the traffic? Thank you.

[39:06] >> You ignore the traffic and --

[39:09] with Cadillac Fairview. That's

[39:10] what I meant.

[39:11] >> Perhaps Mr.

[39:19] el-Dhabi -- maybe proceed with

[39:23] the point without making it

[39:25] personal.

[39:26] >> I'm not making it personal.

[39:28] I'm always facing what causing

[39:30] the trouble. Trouble for

[39:33] Pointe-Claire -- what's

[39:34] happened, as you are seeing now,

[39:38] the -- Cadillac fair view don't

[39:42] -- here anymore. Why? -- City

[39:45] Council representing them and --

[39:47] >> You can't --

[39:50] >> Point of order --

[39:51] >> -- Cadillac Fairview. They've

[39:53] been voted to represent the --

[39:55] Pointe-Claire

[39:56] >> Mr. el-Dhabi --

[40:01] >> -- about what is going on --

[40:03] >> Mr. el-Dhabi, if you could

[40:08] again make a point about --

[40:12] >> I'm not accusing. I'm saying

[40:14] the reality.

[40:16] >> Mr. el-Dhabi -- you are

[40:21] making statements that can be

[40:22] proven and insinuating things

[40:25] that --

[40:26] >> Okay, now I'm asking the City

[40:28] Council from the previous

[40:30] administration, do you have any

[40:32] relationship with Cadillac

[40:33] Fairview as you did in business

[40:37] or somebody from -- a member of

[40:41] -- family working for Cadillac

[40:42] Fairview? -- or investing in

[40:45] this company? Because

[40:46] Pointe-Claire, we have a lot of

[40:47] trouble. We heard the kids what

[40:49] you say, we heard the lady what

[40:51] she said, we -- owe the project

[40:53] but did all the flooding. And

[40:57] you -- continue to just try and

[40:58] build more and more. So, I'm

[41:01] asking the six city councillor,

[41:03] what exactly is the relationship

[41:05] but with Cadillac Fairview?

[41:07] That's -- my question. --

[41:14] represent all the -- Mr. --

[41:24] Colin -- represent -- what

[41:28] Fairview? Who can answer that?

[41:30] >> Point of order -- citizens

[41:33] are not supposed to go down the

[41:34] list and ask councillors

[41:36] questions.

[41:37] >> I'm asking the mayor to ask

[41:38] all of them.

[41:39] >> Mr. el-Dhabi -- he can ask if

[41:45] you have an opinion on

[41:46] something? Can he knocked?

[41:48] >> -- answer

[41:49] >> -- questions are directed to

[41:52] the Mayor.

[41:53] >> Okay, but he's asking of

[41:54] Council.

[41:56] >> Just to get to your first

[41:58] point, Mr. el-Dhabi -- I think

[42:00] you are trying to make reference

[42:01] to the fact that the -- makes

[42:03] traffic around the school. That

[42:05] would have been a really good

[42:07] point to just make like that,

[42:09] rather than sitting here or --

[42:13] >> Mr. Mayor, I see the two

[42:17] minute time. But you are not

[42:20] listening. -- too many times

[42:22] since last year -- seeing what

[42:26] too many times -- sorry, Mr.

[42:27] el-Dhabi --

[42:35] -- all the folks at home. -- you

[42:39] have the swimming pool. You have

[42:41] the high school and the -- so,

[42:43] we know of what is going on --

[42:46] the traffic looks like. I see it

[42:48] all the time but nobody

[42:51] listening and project after

[42:52] project that's what you care

[42:55] about. I am not --

[42:57] >> That's an interesting point

[43:01] -- that's a more interesting

[43:03] preamble than what you started.

[43:05] Now, you have a question to

[43:07] follow up with that?

[43:08] >> I said, what is the

[43:10] relationship between the six

[43:11] city council from the previous

[43:13] administration, when they

[43:14] calling all of us the problem,

[43:16] what's the relationship between

[43:18] them and Cadillac?

[43:20] >> Point of order. Two schools

[43:24] being combined at St. Thomas

[43:25] does not have anything to do

[43:28] with development at all. I do

[43:30] not want to be asked about that.

[43:32] >> That's debatable. -- he's

[43:33] asking you about traffic in a

[43:35] school zone. That's a valid

[43:38] concern.

[43:39] >> You are not --

[43:42] >> You're not going to get an

[43:43] answer by --

[43:44] >> -- causing the trouble.

[43:49] Honesty, trust, integrity -- and

[43:56] that is the second portion is --

[44:04] about the increase the value of

[44:08] our house 55%.

[44:11] They increase the tax, city tax,

[44:16] 16 and a half percent. Why?

[44:19] Because of COVID? 19? Everybody

[44:23] looking for houses, the houses

[44:25] went up. The mortgage was 1.4,

[44:32] or 5.5%, maximum 2%. My daughter

[44:38] bought a house for 1.5%. And now

[44:43] the mortgage is over 6% and the

[44:48] House is valued 30% and more and

[44:50] keep going down because the

[44:55] recession going on in the

[44:56] inflation and so the value of

[44:57] the house went down, so what is

[45:00] are you going to do now?

[45:06] Compensate for taxes we're

[45:08] praying now 16 and a half

[45:10] percent?

[45:11] >> 15.9 I think in

[45:14] Pointe-Claire.

[45:15] >> I get 16 point. Five

[45:16] >> But you might -- have

[45:17] >> The increase the house value

[45:21] 55%.

[45:22] >> A couple of things. It's not

[45:26] as --, as you are probably very

[45:28] well aware. The interest rates

[45:29] are the Bank of Canada, so that

[45:33] beyond our jurisdiction as well.

[45:40] The rate of the evaluations of

[45:41] houses is determined by the

[45:44] frequency of economic exchange,

[45:46] buying and selling, in your

[45:48] area. So if your area has been

[45:50] active on the real estate market

[45:51] it has an impact on the housing

[45:54] value. That is a formula used.

[45:58] Mr. -- you're here to answer

[46:01] that during the next period.

[46:02] >> On the website.

[46:04] >> Yes, it's on the website.

[46:05] >> But this was last year. Now

[46:06] it's down. And keep going down

[46:09] because the mortgage --

[46:10] >> That's the Bank of Canada,

[46:11] sir. The interest rate is not

[46:14] controlled by --

[46:15] >> But the house value is going

[46:16] down. It keeps going down now.

[46:20] [Inaudible]

[46:23] >> He had she has two until

[46:25] April 30th to appeal the value

[46:26] of her house.

[46:27] >> Yeah, guys, this is not a

[46:31] discussion at the mic. Did you

[46:34] have a question, mister Al

[46:37] Dhabi?

[46:38] >> Sorry, what I'm saying, when

[46:39] we go up we increase the city

[46:44] tax. But if it goes down you

[46:48] decrease the city tax. That is

[46:50] the fairway.

[46:51] >> That's not my understanding

[46:53] of how it works. I don't think

[46:55] it has ever work that way in the

[46:57] history of taxation. But the

[47:00] rate is determined by the

[47:02] frequency of economic activity

[47:03] in your district, and that's how

[47:05] the rate is determined. It's the

[47:07] Agglo that determines that rate.

[47:09] Not us. We have nothing to do

[47:11] with. That zero. Same with

[47:14] fluoridation. To anticipate the

[47:15] next, another question. We do

[47:17] not, as a city, have control

[47:19] over that.

[47:20] >> And we able to do anything

[47:22] about this? Who is controlling

[47:24] it at least?

[47:26] >> I have met with the

[47:28] association of suburban mayors

[47:29] and we have had serious meetings

[47:31] about how to deal with the

[47:32] increases that we received from

[47:34] the agglomeration council, and

[47:36] we are strategizing as we speak.

[47:38] It's on my Facebook page. You

[47:40] can follow the meetings. We are

[47:41] well aware of that. All of the

[47:44] cities are aware of that. We are

[47:46] trying to work out strategy so

[47:48] we can have some control over

[47:52] tax increases on our

[47:53] municipalities.

[47:54] >> My comment is --

[47:55] >> But there's a couple

[47:57] questions there, Mister Al Dhabi

[48:01] so, I think you're almost done.

[48:02] To have the final question?

[48:04] >> Yes.

[48:05] >> I had the two but --

[48:06] >> Yes I think you've had to.

[48:08] >> Every time I come to speak,

[48:11] the leader of Cadillac Fairview,

[48:13] they leave the room.

[48:14] >> They're not leaders of

[48:16] Cadillac Fairview, Mr. Al Dhabi.

[48:21] >> Kelly -- I know. I'm saying.

[48:23] Please, thank you very much. Mr.

[48:25] Al Dhabi you have no evidence or

[48:28] proof of that. We can't say it

[48:30] at the microphone. You literally

[48:33] can't. It's simply wrong. You

[48:36] can't accuse people of something

[48:37] -- I

[48:38] >> Prove it to you, Mister

[48:39] Mayor.

[48:40] >> No, I don't want you to prove

[48:41] it, Mister Al Dhabi. We are

[48:43] done. That's it. We are good.

[48:45] That's all, thank you.

[48:47] >> District won the elect

[48:49] somebody really honest and

[48:51] trust, not from the previous

[48:53] administration, somebody fresh

[48:56] like -- and --.

[48:59] >> Is that a question or is that

[49:00] a political preference? Okay,

[49:03] Mr. Al Dhabi, thank you very

[49:04] much for your time, sir.

[49:05] >> Thank you, God bless you all.

[49:07] And working for the citizens

[49:10] that elect you not the

[49:13] developer. Thank you.

[49:17] >> Lynn Conway?

[49:28] >> Good evening. The topic was

[49:31] about identification so there

[49:32] was an article last week about

[49:36] serious issues add the --

[49:39] general hospital including six

[49:40] patients. I'm assuming everybody

[49:44] heard about it. Especially for

[49:47] the councillors that did the

[49:49] resolution, the Cadillac

[49:51] Fairview resolution, why did not

[49:53] more concerned about our health?

[49:55] This is very serious. The

[49:57] lakeshore General Hospital is

[49:59] understaffed, why are we

[50:00] bringing in more people here?

[50:02] Why are we giving permits to

[50:05] build thousands of more units?

[50:06] Bringing in thousands of more

[50:08] people in the city while there

[50:10] is a crisis at the hospital?

[50:14] >> Is that --

[50:15] >> I know it's a provincial

[50:18] affair. It's under provincial

[50:20] jurisdiction, provincial

[50:23] governments, however, when they

[50:25] want something enough to do a

[50:26] resolution to get what they

[50:27] want, why was there no push, the

[50:33] provincial government for what

[50:34] we need before we bring in new

[50:36] people here and if we can't have

[50:38] a proper hospital and proper

[50:40] staff than it's not give permits

[50:42] to use build more buildings. I

[50:45] think it's the antithetical

[50:46] thing to do.

[50:47] >> Is that your question?

[50:48] >> Yes. Why are we not

[50:53] contributing York your

[50:54] counterpart at the provincial

[50:55] level to get more staff

[50:56] intellectual General Hospital?

[50:57] >> It's been a problem for a

[50:58] long time, hasn't? It expansion

[51:00] of the emergency room at

[51:02] lakeshore has been on the books

[51:03] for almost as long as the jack

[51:06] bizarre extension. It doesn't

[51:08] seem to be happening and it's a

[51:11] definite issue, and we've had

[51:13] other people get up to the

[51:14] microphone with the same point.

[51:15] I think the valid point. And I

[51:17] think that bringing through new

[51:19] residents into one area without

[51:22] expansion on the hospital system

[51:25] is a real problem and you can

[51:28] talk about expansions elsewhere

[51:31] but it's nonetheless a serious

[51:34] concern and one we should take

[51:36] seriously and not to mention in

[51:38] restructuring schools and

[51:39] recreational facilities and

[51:41] other services that new citizens

[51:43] bring to a city. And so both

[51:46] seriously absolutely's health

[51:49] and it will, I think, I can't

[51:51] see how that problem is

[51:54] avoidable. I think it's a real

[51:56] issue and, you raise a good one.

[51:57] And in the provision of health

[51:59] care, in light of hugely

[52:02] expanding citizenry, is a huge

[52:03] issue. And yes, the staffing

[52:07] situation and how hospitals are

[52:08] running and health in general is

[52:10] beyond our control. It's

[52:12] provincial and mostly

[52:14] jurisdiction. However, we can

[52:17] control the densification of the

[52:19] cities around our health care.

[52:21] From my perspective, I think

[52:23] your point is a valid one.

[52:25] >> Okay, so, anybody worried

[52:29] about densification, urban

[52:30] sprawl, so the building the

[52:32] hospital in Danielle void Ray,

[52:34] let them build a more unit over

[52:36] there. They'll have more access

[52:40] to the hospital over there.

[52:42] >> You are saying that --

[52:45] >> Instead of bringing more

[52:46] people here why don't we bring

[52:49] them where the hospital will be

[52:51] built? Health care is important

[52:53] these days.

[52:54] >> So are you saying urban

[52:55] sprawl will follow the provision

[52:57] of health care? People will move

[52:59] according -- to

[53:00] >> Its my suggestion.

[53:01] >> Interesting.

[53:03] >> Why not? If we can fix it

[53:07] here, they can go build towers

[53:14] Indian.

[53:15] >> It might happen, who knows?

[53:21] Maya

[53:22] >> My other question would have

[53:24] been about the Cadillac Fairview

[53:27] resolution and there was a lot

[53:28] of discussion at the February

[53:31] meeting and I agree with what

[53:33] Mr. to which was saying earlier.

[53:35] So I think the question should

[53:36] have been directed more to --

[53:39] because you were the in skin

[53:40] instigator of the resolution

[53:41] when there was all this talk

[53:45] about -- kid else about it? Did

[53:47] any Councillors sign a mandate

[53:48] letter? Why was there such talk

[53:51] about the mandate letter? Can

[53:52] you answer that question?

[53:55] >> It's on his watch.

[53:58] >> Pardon?

[54:00] >> You instigated the care the

[54:02] Cadillac Fairview resolution. It

[54:04] talked about a letter. Did you

[54:06] draft a letter as well? Didn't

[54:08] Councillor signed letter?

[54:09] >> The council is not

[54:10] responsible for the director for

[54:12] the administration of the City,

[54:13] direct responsibility for that

[54:15] is Mayor, and once you passed

[54:19] ask Mayor your questions.

[54:21] >> Did a lot of, talked a lot of

[54:23] promises, while making promises

[54:25] if you can't fulfill them?

[54:29] >> Ms. Conway if I could speak

[54:31] to the comment that I find

[54:33] astonishing. The resolution was

[54:37] proposed against my wishes. I

[54:40] put my veto on it and I did

[54:43] everything I could on my watch

[54:46] to prevent it, however have not

[54:49] having power to stop it is

[54:50] someone my fault, kind of a

[54:54] preposterous proposal.

[54:55] Eventually the mayor has no

[54:57] vote. So something is proposed

[55:00] and voted on, the mayor has no

[55:02] vote, so it's not on his or her

[55:05] watch if they're outvoted and a

[55:08] resolution is raised, which it

[55:10] was, against my wishes, I did

[55:12] not want that resolution yet it

[55:14] happened. How, or somehow, am I

[55:16] responsible for it? I find it

[55:18] quite an astonishing proposal.

[55:19] You're

[55:20] >> Not responsible for the

[55:21] resolution, Mister Mayor. Once

[55:23] Council has resolved that it can

[55:26] actually happen it's your duty

[55:27] in your responsibility to effect

[55:29] it. That is all.

[55:30] >> To affect the resolution? No

[55:32] it isn't. No it isn't. It is

[55:34] implemented by the

[55:36] administration.

[55:37] >> So you have no responsibility

[55:39] --

[55:40] >> Councillor Cowan, first of

[55:41] all, a question period is for

[55:43] the citizens, as I told you

[55:45] before, with your repeated,

[55:48] excuse me, she is there to ask a

[55:50] question and then dealing with

[55:52] it. Okay.

[55:53] >> The question is, in the

[55:56] resolution there was talk about

[55:57] the mandate letter, so the

[56:00] councillor that instigated the

[56:02] resolution should know, should

[56:03] be the one that answers about

[56:06] miss Dwight's question that she

[56:07] asked earlier. I don't see an

[56:10] answer coming, so that's my

[56:12] question.

[56:13] >> Okay. Thank you. And

[56:16] apparently it somehow my

[56:18] responsibility even though I

[56:21] fundamentally wholeheartedly

[56:22] disagree with it. That's quite

[56:24] interesting, Councillor Cowan.

[56:27] Okay. Sandra Mackay?

[56:41] . Okay, Mister --. Good

[56:47] >> Evening. I am the leader of a

[56:52] climate action group. As part of

[56:59] -- one of the things we do was

[57:01] outreach to schools and I had

[57:02] the privilege to go to three

[57:06] grade five classes at

[57:08] Pointe-Claire elementary and as

[57:09] a result of my desire to see

[57:10] this following letter from the

[57:12] grade five teachers that will

[57:13] give you Mister Mayor saying

[57:15] dear mayor Tim Thomas the,

[57:19] students of the -- elementary

[57:21] school wanted to give you the

[57:22] green hearts as our unit on how

[57:24] the world works, and -- Anne of

[57:28] -- visitors are class to visit

[57:32] actions we could take to

[57:34] mitigate climate change. The

[57:36] student ask wish to I'd on their

[57:39] beliefs and -- particularly the

[57:42] Fairview forest. We will hope

[57:43] you will look through these

[57:44] kinds of consider the messages.

[57:46] That's from Miss Leah different

[57:49] ski and -- I. What we'd all

[57:50] harsh to you, there are so many,

[57:53] but many are touching and

[57:55] beautiful. When my the students

[57:57] and I feel like I'm their voice

[57:59] this evening and so some of the

[58:04] hearts were point parts were

[58:05] addressed madame La Plante. Do

[58:07] you Mister Mayor, please protect

[58:09] the Fairview forest time in this

[58:11] concern of all the animals in

[58:12] the forest., The hawk, in the

[58:14] brown snake. The brown snake is

[58:16] endangered. I wish you would

[58:18] take action and stop Fairview

[58:19] from destroying the forest. I

[58:21] wish you could be like -- the

[58:23] who stopped the terracotta for

[58:24] us from getting destroyed.

[58:26] Please protect Fairview forest

[58:27] and make it like the terracotta

[58:35] park. We unclassifiable two

[58:36] would like to save Fairview

[58:38] forest please stop door for a

[58:40] stationary danger narrative in

[58:41] the forest and it is such a

[58:43] beautiful place trees are

[58:45] important and they take carbon

[58:47] out of the air. Save the forest

[58:49] so please protect our force

[58:50] because we are worried for the

[58:55] future and kids futures and

[58:56] defend the force to make a

[58:58] walking path. Dear anyone who

[58:59] will listen, fairy shrimp, red

[59:02] shoulder talks, and even the

[59:03] endangered species of brown

[59:05] snake, they all live in Fairview

[59:08] forest please protect Fairview

[59:11] forest. I'm scared of greenhouse

[59:15] gases. Please stop cutting

[59:17] trees. Stop cutting and start

[59:18] planting. Deforestation is

[59:19] wrong. Please save the forest.

[59:22] I'm a grade five student debt

[59:24] can clear elementary. Please say

[59:27] Fairview forest. Brown snake,

[59:30] very shrimp. Help, help, help.

[59:32] Cutting down trees is hurting

[59:34] the environment, and increasing

[59:37] climate change. Fairview forest

[59:38] is an example of that. With so

[59:40] many endangered species like the

[59:43] brown snake, also trees help

[59:45] deal with pesky carbon, so we

[59:47] need that. Please help forests.

[59:49] Please protect Fairview forest.

[59:51] I might be young, but I have a

[59:53] whole life to live. If you cut

[59:54] down all the trees, there will

[59:56] be no future for me, for my

[59:58] children, and my children's

[59:59] children. Protect all the

[1:00:01] animals, such as the red

[1:00:03] shouldered hawk. We should

[1:00:05] protect trees and ecosystems

[1:00:06] because trees absorb carbon.

[1:00:08] Also, forests are home to lots

[1:00:10] of animals and biodiversity.

[1:00:12] Please help protect all forests.

[1:00:14] Climate change is taking over.

[1:00:16] Temperatures are rising. If you

[1:00:18] want to help, don't just say it.

[1:00:21] Do it. The children at clear

[1:00:24] Point School are counting on

[1:00:25] you. I do believe in the

[1:00:27] political process, and I'm

[1:00:29] optimistic that all of you here

[1:00:32] caring about the citizens of

[1:00:33] Pointe-Claire and want to do

[1:00:34] what's right for the children.

[1:00:36] So Mister Mayor, and

[1:00:38] councillors, will you please

[1:00:40] respond to the children of clear

[1:00:43] point elementary? Will you let

[1:00:44] them know that you have heard

[1:00:45] them and will address their

[1:00:47] pleas for action on climate

[1:00:49] change and protection of

[1:00:50] Fairview forest?

[1:00:53] >> Thank you. We have a

[1:00:55] responsibility for other

[1:00:57] people's future, and that really

[1:01:00] should weigh extremely heavily

[1:01:02] on us going forward with her

[1:01:06] policy. I find fascinating in

[1:01:11] the debate about densification

[1:01:15] and urban sprawl that the logic

[1:01:20] for densification is the

[1:01:21] preventer of urban sprawl, yet

[1:01:22] it also entails eradicating all

[1:01:25] green spaces in urban settings,

[1:01:27] which seems completely

[1:01:29] counterproductive to me. So I

[1:01:31] hear them loud and clear,

[1:01:33] myself, personally. Others in

[1:01:35] this council may feel otherwise.

[1:01:37] I think living in cities where

[1:01:39] you've gone up to the moon and

[1:01:41] live in little units and you

[1:01:43] sleep in a coffin sized bed and

[1:01:45] you go down a tube is maybe not

[1:01:48] the quality of life everyone is

[1:01:49] looking forward to and they we

[1:01:51] may have to find another way to

[1:01:53] Lee live, ecologically, which

[1:01:54] gives us the quality of life

[1:01:56] where you we have green space in

[1:01:58] our urban settings and we can

[1:02:00] enjoy green space in our daily

[1:02:02] existence, in urban settings.

[1:02:03] It's been proven to be

[1:02:06] psychologically necessary for

[1:02:07] our existence. So the

[1:02:09] eradication of urban green

[1:02:10] spaces, for me, is a complete

[1:02:12] and utter foolhardy proposition.

[1:02:15] But going forward, who knows

[1:02:17] where we will end up? But I

[1:02:18] concur with what they are

[1:02:20] saying. I can only reinforce

[1:02:22] what they are saying and say

[1:02:24] that terracotta was a result of

[1:02:25] a group of very determined young

[1:02:28] people who didn't take no for an

[1:02:30] answer. So I encourage them to

[1:02:31] do the same.

[1:02:33] >> Thank you very much. I would

[1:02:35] like to give you the hearts.

[1:02:37] >> The hearts, okay.

[1:02:39] [Laughter]

[1:02:40] Do I get them? That's a real

[1:02:44] bonus. Okay. Sure.

[1:02:54] [Inaudible]

[1:03:02] [Applause]

[1:03:05] Maria Benner vetoes?

[1:03:27] >> Good evening, Mayor and.

[1:03:31] Council my name is Maria

[1:03:32] Benivitas, and I am death. I am

[1:03:33] part -- of Pointe-Claire. I come

[1:03:35] to speak to you today for --, a

[1:03:42] professional in trumpeter who

[1:03:43] understands I interpreting

[1:03:44] needs. She's an interpreter who

[1:03:46] can form of to -- better support

[1:03:49] my. Signs American sign

[1:03:51] language. Most interpreters

[1:03:54] interpret either with American

[1:03:57] sign language or -- or

[1:03:59] alliteration, which is basically

[1:04:01] through -- but in my situation I

[1:04:04] use both and it has worked for

[1:04:06] the very well. I come here today

[1:04:10] in response to the recent

[1:04:11] announcement that interpretation

[1:04:13] services for Québec's death

[1:04:16] anglophone community are being

[1:04:17] cut. When Friday March 3rd,

[1:04:20] 2020, three I received them who

[1:04:29] originator, -- metropolitan. The

[1:04:32] agency that manages the quest

[1:04:36] for interpreters for deaf and

[1:04:37] for clients and businesses in

[1:04:40] the island of Montréal. Then for

[1:04:42] me the booking request for

[1:04:44] interpreters is on hold

[1:04:47] indefinitely. -- communicated to

[1:04:49] be that the CC as Eminem is

[1:04:52] suspending the anglophone

[1:04:54] American sign language

[1:04:56] interpretation program. As they

[1:04:57] have run out of money. As of now

[1:05:05] the CCSMN will only address

[1:05:07] certain situations such as if a

[1:05:09] deaf person has to go to a

[1:05:12] hospital emergency room for a

[1:05:13] medical or middle of crisis.

[1:05:15] Know that emergency situations

[1:05:17] were not clearly defined in

[1:05:19] writing. Interpreters for the

[1:05:22] death or any central service.

[1:05:24] They break down barriers and

[1:05:26] promote understanding between

[1:05:27] deaf and hearing people and play

[1:05:30] an important role in helping to

[1:05:32] ease the complexity of

[1:05:33] isolation. Communication

[1:05:36] matters. The death -- community

[1:05:41] and wins were by another agency

[1:05:44] --. The interpreters have

[1:05:46] received their own funding.

[1:05:49] While the CCSMN has been

[1:05:51] providing services for the

[1:05:54] anglophone since 2011. Under the

[1:05:57] management of the -- today.

[1:06:00] Given without warning, members

[1:06:02] of the anglophone deaf community

[1:06:05] have now left without

[1:06:06] interpreters. Those interpreters

[1:06:08] are not being paid, including my

[1:06:10] own interpreter. This is not

[1:06:12] acceptable. I have been using

[1:06:16] interpreters since my last year

[1:06:17] of high school. This service is

[1:06:19] invaluable. It is -- it

[1:06:24] overcomes barriers to

[1:06:25] communication, especially if I

[1:06:27] am among a group of people. A

[1:06:31] classroom on the last meeting --

[1:06:36] I use interpreter for medical

[1:06:39] appointments and municipal

[1:06:41] meetings such as City workshop

[1:06:42] that they attended in December.

[1:06:44] And this one that is going to be

[1:06:46] presented tomorrow. Tomorrow

[1:06:49] night. For I will see this --

[1:06:53] this allows me to become more

[1:06:55] involved in my community

[1:06:57] participation other than be

[1:06:59] isolated. Now that the service

[1:07:03] is temporarily suspended until

[1:07:06] they have money, I have increase

[1:07:09] the stress as to how I will be

[1:07:10] able to understand, much less

[1:07:12] communicate. Suspending this

[1:07:16] service for the deaf anglophone

[1:07:18] community in jeopardy. My

[1:07:19] understanding is that the board

[1:07:24] of the CCSMM F suspended the

[1:07:30] service and the CCSMM should be

[1:07:32] responsible for the funds from

[1:07:33] the government. Have to apply

[1:07:35] for the funds. So the fact that

[1:07:37] this has happened even more then

[1:07:40] once the issue right now when to

[1:07:42] apply for more funding. This is

[1:07:45] been going on for more or less

[1:07:47] 20 years. This means

[1:07:51] mismanagement has to stop. I

[1:07:54] would like to respect finally

[1:07:56] ask you to help support me and

[1:07:59] as the anglophone community to

[1:08:01] sending in their support and

[1:08:02] asking for solutions to our

[1:08:06] minister of -- the -- relations

[1:08:10] and English speaking Director.

[1:08:12] So the committee action. I would

[1:08:16] ask for an inquiry into this

[1:08:17] matter. If you like to ask me

[1:08:19] questions or ask my interpreter

[1:08:23] for the information, please do

[1:08:24] so. I am more than eager to show

[1:08:26] you how this means of

[1:08:29] communication system works for

[1:08:30] the deaf community. Thank you,

[1:08:32] Mister Mayor and Council members

[1:08:34] for listening to me, for your

[1:08:36] support and cooperation.

[1:08:40] >> Thank you. I applaud your

[1:08:43] intervention. I surprised and

[1:08:48] I'm intrigued by the, I think

[1:08:50] there's a difference between the

[1:08:51] provision of services for

[1:08:53] francophones and anglophones and

[1:08:56] that I find astonishing. I hope

[1:08:58] that's not the case. I don't

[1:09:01] know much and I'm not informed

[1:09:04] as to the specifics of this

[1:09:07] issue but I think that that

[1:09:10] obviously is not a good thing if

[1:09:13] that's the case. I would also

[1:09:15] like to, if you could send me or

[1:09:17] document the value of

[1:09:20] interpretation to the quality of

[1:09:21] life and to that of your peers

[1:09:24] that would be really

[1:09:25] illuminating from me. If I am to

[1:09:28] draft a letter, I'd love to be

[1:09:30] informed on it so that it can be

[1:09:33] a good one. And my other

[1:09:35] suggestion, it's a provincial

[1:09:37] issue. Have you spoken to the

[1:09:42] emanate, because Greg I'm sure

[1:09:44] would be all over this if he had

[1:09:45] a chance, as well. I'm intrigued

[1:09:47] by the issue. I don't know much

[1:09:48] about it, but peoples ability in

[1:09:50] their quality of life is crucial

[1:09:52] to this, and so it obviously is

[1:09:56] powerful and impactful.

[1:09:58] >> Okay, I have to say

[1:10:00] something, I have to say that

[1:10:01] when this happened I'm also back

[1:10:07] to am and a. He is involved. We

[1:10:10] are working on it. But I'm

[1:10:14] asking also for your support. I

[1:10:17] feel it is important because the

[1:10:20] more people that reaches out,

[1:10:22] the more people that reaches

[1:10:24] out, our community needs it.

[1:10:28] >> Okay.

[1:10:29] >> I hope that you understand.

[1:10:32] >> I do, what I'm gonna call

[1:10:34] great tomorrow. It will be my

[1:10:35] first call tomorrow so I can get

[1:10:37] his guidance on, I'm sure he

[1:10:39] knows more about this than I do.

[1:10:40] But I will certainly, I'm glad

[1:10:42] you have spoken to him, so I can

[1:10:44] certainly, if you would give me

[1:10:47] your personal experience or the

[1:10:48] importance to you in writing,

[1:10:50] and I will speak to Greg, and I

[1:10:52] can certainly draft a letter.

[1:10:54] That's not a problem at all.

[1:10:56] >> Okay. That's fine. All right,

[1:11:00] so, thank you very much. I just

[1:11:01] wanted to show you how it works.

[1:11:04] As you can see --

[1:11:07] >> It worked well.

[1:11:08] >> That's right. That's right

[1:11:10] and also the fact that we have

[1:11:15] had one combinations had been

[1:11:16] working before such as the iPad

[1:11:18] that have closed captioning that

[1:11:20] I have been using before. And

[1:11:22] for the answers I have to come

[1:11:24] to -- so sometimes interpreters

[1:11:29] do work. As you can understand.

[1:11:34] So having used interpreters in a

[1:11:36] very different situation. Of

[1:11:38] course, take technology can

[1:11:40] work. There are some cases where

[1:11:43] captioning works. But as you can

[1:11:45] see, right now, the screen right

[1:11:49] there which could have closed

[1:11:50] captions, but I can see because

[1:11:53] I am in front. But if I have my

[1:11:58] interpreter here instead of down

[1:12:01] on my iPad, I delay. Sometimes,

[1:12:05] you know, I am very confused. So

[1:12:07] sometimes I have my interpreter

[1:12:10] which speaks me in a way that

[1:12:11] some kind of realtime

[1:12:13] interpretation. Thank you very

[1:12:16] much for listening to. Me

[1:12:17] >> Thank you very much. Thank

[1:12:21] you so much.

[1:12:29] >> Mister Mayor, if I may, to

[1:12:30] other people have been added to

[1:12:32] the list. Lowest Butler.

[1:12:48] >> CCSMM Lois Butler, say

[1:12:50] Pointe-Claire incident. I had

[1:12:51] some clients in my story today

[1:12:53] they're excited about heavy

[1:12:54] visitors for this first time in

[1:12:55] a long time and a looking

[1:12:56] forward to bringing them to the

[1:12:58] village and they were asking me

[1:13:00] what is the status with the

[1:13:02] windmill and is it going to be

[1:13:04] fixed and what's going on. They

[1:13:06] would really like to know. I

[1:13:07] guess I would like to know. So

[1:13:09] what's happening with the

[1:13:10] windmill?

[1:13:11] >> It has been back and forth

[1:13:12] for the last two months. I have

[1:13:14] been trying to expedite it. I

[1:13:15] have been all over it. Madame

[1:13:18] Val-d'Or will attest for this, I

[1:13:20] have been on this probably every

[1:13:22] week probably three times a week

[1:13:24] since then there been minor

[1:13:27] details not minor but the legal

[1:13:31] details of the finalization of

[1:13:33] the agreement going back and war

[1:13:35] forth between the archdiocese in

[1:13:37] the city and it has been to my

[1:13:39] frustration and I would love it

[1:13:40] to happen much sooner but, -- I

[1:13:45] think everybody would like to

[1:13:46] see it

[1:13:47] >> It's almost there, but it's

[1:13:48] like anything it's the final say

[1:13:53] -- I'm actively working on. It

[1:13:55] >> Yes.

[1:13:56] >> I've been bugging I the

[1:13:59] living daylights out of. Her

[1:14:01] >> It was a wonderful evening

[1:14:02] when we saw the students from

[1:14:03] St. Thomas, the participation,

[1:14:07] getting involved with things in

[1:14:09] their community in

[1:14:11] Pointe-Claire. I have been a

[1:14:13] very strong supporter of

[1:14:14] Fairview forest, as most people

[1:14:16] know. I would like to know, I

[1:14:19] know you've written to Mayor

[1:14:21] Plante about the forest. Have

[1:14:25] you contacted other levels of

[1:14:28] government to request funding?

[1:14:32] What's happening? Can you tell

[1:14:35] us who you've spoken to or what

[1:14:36] you've done?

[1:14:37] >> The really important one is

[1:14:39] coming up, one is that we're

[1:14:40] meeting? Is it this week?

[1:14:42] >> It's next week.

[1:14:44] >> With the representative,

[1:14:46] Madam Plante's --

[1:14:50] >> Next week is the other one.

[1:14:53] >> That's Madam Plante?

[1:14:54] >> We also contacted the CAO,

[1:14:56] the most viable sources of

[1:15:00] potential funding and the

[1:15:01] provincial government as well.

[1:15:02] >> That's good. People want to

[1:15:03] know these things. They are very

[1:15:07] interested. Those two things in

[1:15:08] our city. All right. Thank you.

[1:15:10] >> You are welcome. One other?

[1:15:14] >> One more.

[1:15:26] >> A record night, I never get

[1:15:27] to speak. I appreciate that I

[1:15:28] can tonight. Another resident of

[1:15:31] Pointe-Claire, a resident of

[1:15:33] Pierrefonds. I am really into

[1:15:36] the forest. You will see me on

[1:15:39] the corner of Fairview and

[1:15:40] Brunswick every Saturday. That

[1:15:44] forest is really important to me

[1:15:46] and many people, from what I am

[1:15:49] learning about likelier and how

[1:15:51] many people really love green

[1:15:52] spaces in this area. But it's

[1:15:55] also important to west

[1:15:56] islanders. When I say important,

[1:15:59] I don't always mean that you are

[1:16:00] going to see people there every

[1:16:02] weekend and with their strollers

[1:16:04] and picnic baskets from all over

[1:16:06] the West Island. In fact, a lot

[1:16:08] of people don't really know

[1:16:09] about it, they don't know about

[1:16:10] the access to it, even though

[1:16:11] that's been prevented now, the

[1:16:13] access to it. It is a little

[1:16:17] more soul of environmental

[1:16:22] health that you've got a lot of

[1:16:23] responsibility on your plate. I

[1:16:28] don't vote for you. You don't

[1:16:29] have to do anything for me

[1:16:35] because I don't have any say. I

[1:16:36] get that. But it is not just for

[1:16:39] me. It isn't just for

[1:16:41] Pointe-Claire when you save a

[1:16:42] forest. It's going to sound kind

[1:16:47] of cliché, but you have a bigger

[1:16:50] responsibility. There were so

[1:16:51] little left everywhere. There is

[1:16:52] so little left. I wish every

[1:16:55] city, I will go to every city,

[1:16:57] and I have been going through

[1:16:58] every city to ask this. Every

[1:17:03] space is crucial now. There is

[1:17:05] just no question. So I know it

[1:17:09] is so simplified for me to say

[1:17:11] this, but I just wish every

[1:17:13] person in your seats we would

[1:17:15] look at a forest and go, hold

[1:17:17] on, that's not on the table.

[1:17:19] Let's see what else we can do.

[1:17:21] There are so many other things

[1:17:22] we can do for Cadillac Fairview.

[1:17:24] Give them what they want, give

[1:17:25] the citizens what they want, and

[1:17:26] keep the forest. It is doable. I

[1:17:29] know you can do this. I really,

[1:17:31] really have faith in you guys.

[1:17:35] All I'm asking is for some of

[1:17:37] the people that are

[1:17:39] environmentalists and Montréal

[1:17:40] to have a say in this process.

[1:17:42] In some form. As I say, I don't

[1:17:46] want to take anybody's place

[1:17:47] from Pointe-Claire to speak.

[1:17:50] But, you know, we can submit

[1:17:52] briefs. We can submit

[1:17:54] information, ideas, anything. I

[1:17:56] hope the consultation process is

[1:17:57] inviting ideas and input, even

[1:18:03] if only from Pointe-Claire. At

[1:18:05] least it's inviting something,

[1:18:06] not just on a steering note to

[1:18:09] pick that choice and that

[1:18:11] choice. A true consultation.

[1:18:13] When Montréal holds a

[1:18:15] consultation, it's across the

[1:18:16] board. Anybody can attend. That

[1:18:18] is together. That's to get the

[1:18:19] best idea. I really hope that

[1:18:23] you open the board to get the

[1:18:24] best ideas, the best for your

[1:18:25] city. Then it will be the best

[1:18:27] for everybody. That's not really

[1:18:30] question. That's all I had to

[1:18:31] say.

[1:18:32] >> Okay. Well, --

[1:18:34] >> Thank you for the opportunity

[1:18:35] to speak.

[1:18:37] >> Our pleasure. You are right,

[1:18:38] it effects -- the area is

[1:18:42] everybody's resource. It is

[1:18:43] shared around the world. It's

[1:18:44] not specific to an area. I agree

[1:18:45] with you 100 percent. I have

[1:18:49] always felt, for me there is a

[1:18:53] natural inherent logic to

[1:18:54] protecting the forest in that

[1:18:56] you do an urban development, you

[1:18:58] have a requisite amount of green

[1:18:59] space that should accompany and

[1:19:00] urban development. There is one

[1:19:04] already there.

[1:19:05] >> It's not enough.

[1:19:06] >> I know. There is one already

[1:19:07] there. What I'm saying is there

[1:19:09] is one already there. Okay, you

[1:19:11] do a real estate development and

[1:19:14] you've got green space right

[1:19:15] beside your real estate

[1:19:16] development. That enhances the

[1:19:19] value of your real estate. Your

[1:19:22] real estate development.

[1:19:23] Everybody wants to live

[1:19:24] somewhere that has a green

[1:19:25] space. You go to Griffintown

[1:19:26] where there is none. The

[1:19:29] inherent logic of having a green

[1:19:31] space naturally provided a

[1:19:32] company of urban development is

[1:19:35] when -- it always has been a

[1:19:37] no-brainer. Mount Royal to

[1:19:40] Montréal, Stanley Park to

[1:19:41] Vancouver, and accompanying

[1:19:42] green space for people to enjoy

[1:19:44] it makes the urban setting so

[1:19:45] much more enjoyable. For me, it

[1:19:47] has always been a no-brainer. I

[1:19:52] am concurring with what you are

[1:19:53] saying.

[1:19:54] >> Thank you.

[1:19:55] >> Yeah. Is that it? Okay.

[1:20:09] 5.1

[1:20:11] - Adoption d'un règlement

[1:20:12] décrétant un emprunt à long

[1:20:13] terme et une dépense en

[1:20:14] immobilisations de 3650000$ pour

[1:20:15] le remplacement et l'acquisition

[1:20:16] de véhicules et d'équipements.

[1:20:19] il s'agit de règlements

[1:20:20] comprenant divers achats de même

[1:20:21] naturelle de même durée

[1:20:22] d'emprunt, à Savard, le

[1:20:23] remplacement et la mise à jour

[1:20:25] du parc de véhicules,

[1:20:26] acquisition de nouveaux

[1:20:27] véhicules et d'équipements,

[1:20:28] équipement et aussi pour le

[1:20:31] nouvel atelier mécanique. Le

[1:20:32] montant financier sera remboursé

[1:20:34] par le billet d'une taxe imposée

[1:20:36] à l'ensemble de la municipalité

[1:20:38] sera la base de la valeur

[1:20:39] foncière...

[1:20:40] >> La valeur foncière des

[1:20:42] immeubles so explain, went

[1:20:43] imposables, et ce, sur une durée

[1:20:44] de 6 ans. A grand financial

[1:20:45] support to various nonprofit

[1:20:46] Organizations for a total amount

[1:20:48] of $8,934. The organizations

[1:20:50] being the West Island

[1:20:51] association for the

[1:20:53] intellectually handicapped, the

[1:20:58] --

[1:21:00] >>... Do I have habitation

[1:21:01] jeunesse de l'ouest de l'île. A

[1:21:02] mover for 5.1 and 6.1.

[1:21:04] >> Cowan,

[1:21:05] District eight.

[1:21:06] >> Seconder?

[1:21:08] >> Cynthia homes, district five.

[1:21:09] >> All in favour? 7.1 Déposer le

[1:21:12] procès-verbal de la réunion du

[1:21:13] Comité Consultatif de la

[1:21:14] Bibliothèque de PointeClaire du

[1:21:15] 9 février 2023.

[1:21:20] >> 7.2, a point a member of the

[1:21:22] Pointe-Claire Public Library

[1:21:24] advisory board, this motion is

[1:21:25] to appoint misses -- as a member

[1:21:27] of the Pointe-Claire Public

[1:21:29] Library advisory committee for a

[1:21:30] three-year term until December

[1:21:31] 31st, 2025. 7.3 Approuver la

[1:21:33] reconduction et la nomination de

[1:21:34] membres au sein du Comité

[1:21:35] consultatif Stewart Hall. le

[1:21:42] comité consultatif recommande la

[1:21:44] reconduction de monsieur Larry

[1:21:45] oignons, madame Hélène Cousineau

[1:21:47] et madame Lucie Lapointe pour

[1:21:49] des mandats de 3 ans, soit du

[1:21:50] 1er janvier 2023 au 31 décembre

[1:21:52] 2025. Le comité consultatif

[1:21:54] recommande aussi la nomination

[1:21:55] de nouveaux membres, soit

[1:21:58] monsieur Alexandra Navarre et

[1:21:59] madame Arlette Smith, pour des

[1:22:00] mandats de trois, en soi de

[1:22:03] janvier 2023 à

[1:22:04] (---)

[1:22:05] 2025, le comité municipal

[1:22:06] procède à la nomination du

[1:22:09] comité dont la

[1:22:10] >> Composition finale demeure a

[1:22:11] point when, authorize the city

[1:22:13] to son entière discrétion.

[1:22:14] Become a member of the Great

[1:22:15] Lakes and St. Lawrence cities

[1:22:16] initiative. The Great Lakes and

[1:22:17] St. Lawrence cities initiative

[1:22:19] provides an avenue for the

[1:22:20] participation and local

[1:22:21] government in

[1:22:22] Decision-making regard to the

[1:22:23] lakes, as well as a network for

[1:22:25] restoration and protection and

[1:22:27] best practices sharing between

[1:22:28] lakes.

[1:22:31] >> For 7.2 to 8.1, do I have a

[1:22:32] mover?

[1:22:34] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[1:22:36] district three.

[1:22:37] >> Seconder?

[1:22:38] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[1:22:39] >> All in favour?

[1:22:41] >> Hold on, if I could just -- I

[1:22:43] understand somebody did not

[1:22:45] >> Owe, yes, yes, yes.

[1:22:47] >> Somebody voted against?

[1:22:49] >> Mister Mayor, I will speak

[1:22:51] first?

[1:22:55] >> 7.3.

[1:22:56] >> I am voting for 7.1 and 7.2,

[1:22:59] I'm voting against 7.3.

[1:23:02] >> Is anybody else voting

[1:23:04] against the same, 7.3? Okay.

[1:23:07] Thank you. Mister Mayor, yes?

[1:23:13] - Merci.

[1:23:16] - O.K..

[1:23:17] - Oui. 10.1 Déposer la liste des

[1:23:19] amendements budgétaires et le

[1:23:20] registre des chèques pour la

[1:23:21] période du 26 janvier 2023 au 1

[1:23:22] mars 2023.

[1:23:27] >> Ten points or two, -- and to

[1:23:30] the terms of the Elections --

[1:23:32] municipalities, the treasurer

[1:23:33] must -- April 1st submit to the

[1:23:36] municipal council the report of

[1:23:37] the activities he carried out

[1:23:38] under chapter 13 of the

[1:23:41] elections and referendums

[1:23:43] municipalities. In the previous

[1:23:44] fiscal year from January 1st to

[1:23:46] December 31st. 10.3 Octroyer un

[1:23:47] contrat pour la fourniture de

[1:23:50] services sur demande pour des

[1:23:51] travaux de câblages

[1:23:52] informatiques incluant pièces et

[1:23:54] accessoires pour tous les

[1:23:55] bâtiments de la ville pour les

[1:23:56] année 2023-2024 et 2024-2025, à

[1:24:00] Sci Connexion Inc., pour un

[1:24:01] montant total de 221901,75$,

[1:24:05] taxes incluses.

[1:24:11] >> 11.1, to authorize the

[1:24:12] payment of insurance premiums

[1:24:14] for 2023 in order to obtain the

[1:24:15] best possible rates. The city

[1:24:16] deals with the Union of

[1:24:18] Municipalities of Québec. It

[1:24:19] acts as the agent of group of

[1:24:21] municipalities on the island of

[1:24:22] Montréal for the purpose of

[1:24:23] insurance and the guarantee

[1:24:25] find. It should be noted that

[1:24:26] this is the city's property and

[1:24:27] casualty insurance. 12.1 Déposer

[1:24:30] la liste des changements au

[1:24:32] personnel par décisions

[1:24:33] déléguées pour le mois de mars

[1:24:37] 2023.

[1:24:40] >> To approve the -- March 14th,

[1:24:41] 2023.

[1:24:44] >> Do I have a mover for 10.3 to

[1:24:47] 12.2?

[1:24:48] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[1:24:49] >> And a seconder?

[1:24:51] >> Brett Cowan, district eight?

[1:24:52] >> All in favour? 13.1 Approuver

[1:24:55] une entente à intervenir avec le

[1:24:56] Centre de services scolaire

[1:24:57] Marguerite-Bourgeoys, concernant

[1:24:58] la prévention et la sécurité

[1:24:59] autour de l'École Saint-Louis.

[1:25:03] le but étant de définir les

[1:25:05] responsabilités des deux

[1:25:06] organisations dans la gestion de

[1:25:08] la circulation et les parents

[1:25:09] autour de l'école afin

[1:25:10] d'augmenter la sécurité des

[1:25:12] usagers et maintenir la qualité

[1:25:13] de vie des résidents à

[1:25:14] proximité. --

[1:25:18] >> For the provision of a --

[1:25:20] [Inaudible]

[1:25:23] The provision of certain

[1:25:26] additional services by the City

[1:25:27] of Montréal. This agreement will

[1:25:28] allow inspection in public

[1:25:29] security departments to continue

[1:25:31] to use in the SPC I system which

[1:25:35] is linked to the municipal court

[1:25:36] of Montréal furnish until three

[1:25:37] years. 13.3 Autoriser l'achat

[1:25:38] d'équipement de

[1:25:39] radiocommunication dans le cadre

[1:25:40] de l'entente concernant

[1:25:41] l'acquisition, l'installation et

[1:25:42] l'entretien d'un système de

[1:25:43] radiocommunication vocale

[1:25:44] (SERAM)

[1:25:45] intervenue avec la Ville de

[1:25:47] Montréal. la résolution est

[1:25:48] requise afin que les équipements

[1:25:50] acquis par la Ville soit inclus

[1:25:51] dans la liste des appareils de

[1:25:54] radiocommunications autorisés à

[1:25:55] être utilisés sur les fréquences

[1:25:57] de

[1:25:58] >> Systèmes for 13.1 to 13.3, do

[1:26:01] I have a mover?

[1:26:02] >> Moved SERAM.

[1:26:04] By terrace game fourth, district

[1:26:05] four.

[1:26:07] >> Seconder?

[1:26:08] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[1:26:09] district three.

[1:26:10] >> All in favour?

[1:26:13] >> 14 point, went to accept the

[1:26:14] renewal option for the contract

[1:26:16] entered into with CONCEPTION

[1:26:18] PAYSAGE INC., For the year 2023,

[1:26:19] in the amount of $ 25,186.77,

[1:26:23] taxes included concerning

[1:26:25] professional services for the

[1:26:26] monthly inspection of City

[1:26:27] playgrouds. 14.2 Octroyer un

[1:26:31] contrat pour des travaux

[1:26:32] d'entretien horticole aux

[1:26:33] aménagements du boulevard Hymus

[1:26:34] pour l'année 2023, à 9042-0845

[1:26:38] Québec Inc.

[1:26:39] (Mario C. Et Fils)

[1:26:40] , pour un montant total de

[1:26:41] 320913, 86$, taxes incluses,

[1:26:43] avec l'année 2024 en option.

[1:26:49] cinq blocs dans ce contrat, le

[1:26:50] Bloc un, des travaux d'entretien

[1:26:53] des quatre coins aménagé à

[1:26:54] l'intersection des boulevard

[1:26:55] Hymus et Saint-Jean, bloc, deux

[1:26:57] travaux d'entretien des

[1:26:58] aménagements de plates-bandes

[1:26:59] localisés de parer d'autres de

[1:27:01] la piste cyclable longeant les

[1:27:03] terrains situés entre la rue

[1:27:04] (---)

[1:27:05] et le boulevard Saint-Jean,

[1:27:06] bloc, trois travaux d'entretien

[1:27:08] et d'aménagement du côté sud du

[1:27:11] boulevard au sud de la piste

[1:27:14] cyclable entre St-Jean et

[1:27:15] Bellemare, bloque, quatre

[1:27:16] entretiens des aménagements au

[1:27:17] terre-plein du boulevard Hymus

[1:27:21] entre les avenues pas pré-camp

[1:27:22] et maltraite, bloc, cinq travaux

[1:27:25] d'aménagement du côté nord du

[1:27:26] boulevard Hymus, coin ouest de

[1:27:27] l'

[1:27:28] >> Avenue même Fred jusqu'à

[1:27:29] l'avenue nordique.

[1:27:31] 14 point, three of what a

[1:27:32] contract for the supply and

[1:27:33] loading of bituminous mix for

[1:27:34] the period of mid-March 2023 to

[1:27:35] mid-March 2024, to MELOCHE,

[1:27:37] DIVISION OF SINTRA and

[1:27:40] CONSTRUCTION DJL, for an

[1:27:41] approximate amount of $

[1:27:45] 329,679.32 taxes included, with

[1:27:47] the years 2024-2025 and

[1:27:48] 2025-2026 in option. The

[1:27:55] standing contract insurers of --

[1:27:57] in case of unavailability of our

[1:27:58] lead supplier. 14.4 Approbation

[1:28:00] de l'évaluation de rendement

[1:28:01] insatisfaisant de Orange

[1:28:02] Paysagement Inc. dans le cadre

[1:28:03] de la réalisation du contrat

[1:28:05] pour des travaux de plantation

[1:28:06] et d'entretien d'arbres en

[1:28:11] motte. selon les clauses du

[1:28:13] contrat, le justifie 4 heures

[1:28:14] peut être évaluée au minimum

[1:28:16] deux fois pendant le contrat, la

[1:28:17] note de passage pour

[1:28:18] l'évaluation est de 80%.

[1:28:20] L'entrepreneur a été évaluée

[1:28:21] trois fois pendant la période du

[1:28:23] contrat et n'a pas obtenu la

[1:28:25] note de passage dans les trois

[1:28:26] cas.

[1:28:27] 14.5 Adjust the expenses towards

[1:28:29] CONSTRUCTION DJL for the supply,

[1:28:30] without delivery, of hot mix

[1:28:32] asphalt for road maintenance

[1:28:33] works, for an amount of $

[1:28:34] 6,039.75, taxes included. A new

[1:28:40] increase of the purchase order

[1:28:41] is necessary to repair the

[1:28:43] expenses that occurred at the

[1:28:44] end of the 2020 season. The

[1:28:47] additional expenses is 6003 --

[1:28:50] which increases the purchase

[1:28:52] order from $50,000 to $844.42.

[1:28:57] Including taxes to $56,844.17,

[1:29:00] including tax.

[1:29:04] >> From 14.1 to 14.5, do I have

[1:29:05] a mover?

[1:29:08] >>

[1:29:11] >> Seconder?

[1:29:12] >> Seconded by terrace Dane

[1:29:14] fourth, a district for.

[1:29:15] >> All in favour?

[1:29:53] >> 15.2 award of contract for

[1:29:55] company maintenance an award for

[1:29:57] 2022 and 24 in 2020 4:25 to --

[1:29:59] total amount of $248,805.90, tax

[1:30:03] included, with the years 2025

[1:30:07] 2026, 2026 2027, and 2020 7:28

[1:30:11] an option, this contract

[1:30:12] provides repetitive and

[1:30:14] unpredictable general carpentry

[1:30:15] maintenance and repair works to

[1:30:17] ensure the safe operation of

[1:30:19] municipal buildings.

[1:30:48] >> 15.5 we contract with -- with

[1:30:51] a new construction of a new

[1:30:54] police station for amount of

[1:30:56] three $3,000.43 tax included.

[1:30:57] This is to authorize payment of

[1:30:58] five contract amendments for

[1:31:01] electrical works.

[1:31:05] >> For 15.1 two 15.5 two, I have

[1:31:07] a mover?

[1:31:08] >> When Cowan district date. All

[1:31:11] in favour?

[1:31:40] >>

[1:31:41] >> 16 point to restoring the

[1:31:42] baseball at -- parked with the

[1:31:44] total amount of $934,718.01,

[1:31:49] that is included. Scope of the

[1:31:51] project is to upgrade unscrew

[1:31:53] the baseball field at Northview

[1:31:54] Park. There's landscaping,

[1:31:56] drainage removal and replacement

[1:31:59] of equipment and natural

[1:32:00] services, supply in Elizabeth

[1:32:02] elation of mesh screens on the

[1:32:03] play benches as well as a play

[1:32:05] service.

[1:32:34] >> So important for award of

[1:32:36] contract for the structure

[1:32:38] rehabilitation of the of payment

[1:32:39] drinking water main along de

[1:32:40] source boulevard. Along

[1:32:41] Chanteclerc and Cornish avenues

[1:32:44] for four action eight for a

[1:32:45] total amount of $792,000, taxes

[1:32:46] included.

[1:34:08] >> Dean pointed approve a change

[1:34:09] order of the contract entered

[1:34:11] into with 12 construction Inc.

[1:34:13] for the construction of an

[1:34:14] accessible sanitary building at

[1:34:15] Augusta Park for the amount of

[1:34:19] $7,967.60, tax included. Three

[1:34:21] amendments or the extension of a

[1:34:22] site insurance on the building,

[1:34:23] a temporary electrical

[1:34:24] connection to heat the building,

[1:34:26] and a supply and installation of

[1:34:27] a new sink.

[1:35:24] >> 14.1 to 16.9, do I have a

[1:35:26] mover?

[1:35:27] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[1:35:28] district three.

[1:35:30] >> And seconder?

[1:35:31] >> District. To

[1:35:34] >> All in favour?

[1:35:37] >> So 17, the person presently

[1:35:39] does Council on the subjects

[1:35:41] here under the items 17.1 to

[1:35:51] 17.3 consider a minor exemption

[1:35:54] request considering the property

[1:35:56] situated and I do wonder boarded

[1:35:57] a lack lakeshore road. To permit

[1:36:00] the installation of a metal --

[1:36:02] planning material on the front

[1:36:03] as well as first 20% of the

[1:36:05] lateral facades rather than a

[1:36:07] class a -- material as required.

[1:36:09] Be, loading and unloading docks

[1:36:11] on the front set back where they

[1:36:12] are not permitted, three veal

[1:36:17] vehicular access is really tour

[1:36:18] permitted, loading and unloading

[1:36:19] tax without the required area to

[1:36:20] allow 15.2 metre track to

[1:36:21] manoeuvre without using the

[1:36:23] required parking spaces of the

[1:36:24] street right away and finally

[1:36:26] parking spaces in the front set

[1:36:27] back where it is not permitted.

[1:36:50] >> Georgia Crescent Avenue,

[1:36:51] being the first triplex to

[1:36:53] permit for a street parking

[1:36:55] spaces rather than the minimum

[1:36:56] required of five, three parking

[1:36:58] spaces with a width of two point

[1:37:00] 05 metres rather than the

[1:37:01] minimum required of 2.6 minute

[1:37:03] metres and three parking spaces

[1:37:04] where the length of 3.45

[1:37:07] millimeters rather than required

[1:37:09] of 5.5 metres, the practice

[1:37:10] spaces with a width

[1:37:12] perpendicular to the island to

[1:37:14] 0.44 metres, whether the minimum

[1:37:16] required of 5.73 metres. A

[1:37:18] circulation aisle with winds of

[1:37:20] 3.66 metres rather than a

[1:37:21] minimum required 4.5 metres. I

[1:37:24] vehicular access with the width

[1:37:25] of seven point when we metres

[1:37:26] our than the maximum permitted

[1:37:28] of 6.1 metres, and finally the

[1:37:30] reduction of the space in the

[1:37:31] front set back to 74% rather the

[1:37:36] minimum required 50%.

[1:37:40] [Laughter]

[1:39:06] >> To preserve a certain number

[1:39:08] of trees.

[1:39:09] >> I'm also voting against 17.1.

[1:39:11] I'm in favour of the other

[1:39:12] items, 17.2 through 17.7. I vote

[1:39:20] to vote against 17.1 in order to

[1:39:24] preserve some particular species

[1:39:26] of trees, eastern cottonwoods,

[1:39:27] that are on that property.

[1:39:33] >> Okay. But

[1:39:58] >> 18 point, two to approve a

[1:39:59] partnership agreement to be

[1:40:00] entered into with the in this

[1:40:04] city Pointe-Claire and the --

[1:40:06] organization committed to

[1:40:08] preparing a safe environment

[1:40:09] free from all forms of

[1:40:10] harassment, abuse, and violence,

[1:40:11] the common commitment serve to

[1:40:13] protect the and interests of

[1:40:15] these officials volunteers and

[1:40:16] staff.

[1:40:17] >> Do I have a mover for 18.1

[1:40:20] and 18.2?

[1:40:21] >> I proposed to approve 18.1

[1:40:24] and 18.2.

[1:40:25] >> Seconder?

[1:40:26] >> Seconded by district six.

[1:40:28] >> All in favour?

[1:40:33] >> Madam Stainforth. Closure?

[1:40:39] Oh, yes, do I have a mover,

[1:40:41] foreclosure?

[1:40:42] >> Interesting, fourth district

[1:40:44] four.

[1:40:46] >> District Stork, district?

[1:40:48] Seven

[1:40:49] >> Thanks everyone.

2023-03-14 Conseil de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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