[0:05] Chères citoyennes et chers

[0:07] citoyens, bonsoir et bienvenue à

[0:09] cette séance extraordinaire du

[0:11] 18 décembre. Veuillez noter que

[0:13] seules les questions qui

[0:14] concernent les points à l'ordre

[0:15] du jour seront acceptées. Juste

[0:18] avant de débuter cette séance

[0:21] j'aimerais vous rappeler

[0:23] quelques éléments. Nous avons

[0:25] une prochaine séance

[0:27] extraordinaire ce mercredi pour

[0:28] la taxation. Les bureaux

[0:32] administratifs seront fermés

[0:34] entre le 22 décembre et le 3

[0:35] janvier. Durant cette période

[0:39] nous offrons des activités

[0:41] sportives à l'aréna Bob Birnie

[0:42] et nous avons une exposition en

[0:44] cours au Stewart Hall. Et

[0:47] maintenant je vais vous donner

[0:49] les grandes lignes du budget

[0:50] 2024. Le budget 2024 de la Ville

[0:56] de Pointe-Claire passe de 173,2

[1:00] million de dollars à 181,5

[1:03] million de dollars, ce qui

[1:05] représente une différence de 8,3

[1:10] million ou 4,8%. Le principal

[1:15] facteur attribuable à cette

[1:16] hausse est la quote-part de

[1:19] l'agglomération de Montréal

[1:21] imputé à Pointe-Claire qui est à

[1:23] nouveau en croissance de 5

[1:26] million, notre quote-part totale

[1:30] s'élève maintenant à 85

[1:31] millions. En ce qui concerne les

[1:35] dépenses opérationnelles la

[1:36] hausse est principalement liée à

[1:40] l'augmentation des coûts des

[1:41] contrats, notamment en matière

[1:45] de déneigement, de gestion des

[1:47] matières résiduelles, de frais

[1:49] d'entretien des bâtiments et de

[1:50] la masse salariale. Alors que le

[1:56] pourcentage d'augmentation des

[1:57] taxes municipales était de 5,9%

[2:01] en 2023, il sera de 3,9% en

[2:04] 2024, ce qui représente une

[2:08] différence de 158$ sur le compte

[2:11] de taxes pour une maison de

[2:12] valeur moyenne. Just before we

[2:15] start this special meeting, I'd

[2:18] like to make a few reminders. We

[2:20] have a special tax meeting this

[2:21] Wednesday. The administrative

[2:22] offices will be closed between

[2:23] December 22 and January 3rd.

[2:28] During this period, we will be

[2:29] offering sports activities at

[2:31] the Bob Birnie arena, and we

[2:33] have an exhibition on display at

[2:34] Stewart Hall. And now I will

[2:35] give you the budget highlights.

[2:39] The 2024 budget for the City of

[2:41] Pointe-Claire increases from

[2:42] $173.2 million to $181.5

[2:45] million, which represents a

[2:49] difference of $8.3 million or

[2:51] 4.8%. Several factors contribute

[2:53] to this increase, the main one

[2:55] being the share of the Montreal

[2:58] agglomeration allocated to

[2:59] Pointe-Claire, which is once

[3:00] again up by $5 million. Our

[3:02] total share is now 85 million.

[3:07] This growth in operating

[3:09] expenses is primarily due to

[3:11] higher contract costs, notably

[3:13] for snow removal, waste

[3:14] management, building maintenance

[3:16] and payroll. While the

[3:18] percentage increase in municipal

[3:19] taxes was 5.9% in 2023, it will

[3:24] be 3.9% in 2024, which

[3:27] represents a difference

[3:32] of $158 on the tax bill for an

[3:34] average household. Every effort

[3:36] is made to ensure responsible

[3:38] and rigorous management of

[3:39] expenses under the control of

[3:40] the municipal administration. Je

[3:43] suis particulièrement fier du

[3:45] travail accompli dans l'exercice

[3:47] budgétaire 2024. Notre plan

[3:49] stratégique nous a servi de

[3:52] guide dans la gestion des

[3:55] dépenses qui sont sous notre

[3:56] contrôle, ce qui nous permet

[4:01] d'affirmer que nous avons un

[4:03] budget équilibré et responsable,

[4:05] à l'aide duquel nous pourrons

[4:07] atteindre les objectifs que nous

[4:08] nous sommes fixés. Every dollar

[4:11] invested contributes to the

[4:13] responsible development of our

[4:14] community, while helping to

[4:15] preserve the unique character of

[4:16] our city and, above all, the

[4:18] quality of our living

[4:19] environment. We know that every

[4:21] dollar increase will require

[4:22] additional efforts from all of

[4:23] us. Thank you for your attention

[4:25] . Merci beaucoup. Madame

[4:31] Thibault.

[4:37] Adoption of the agenda.

[4:41] >> Seconded --

[4:44] >> District six.

[4:46] >> All in favour?

[4:49] Alors, maintenant, je pense

[4:51] qu'on a une présentation de

[4:55] monsieur Daniel Séguin.

[4:56] >> The question period will be

[4:57] after the presentation.

[5:01] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor. -

[5:04] Bonsoir. Good evening. Tonight,

[5:09] I'm gonna flip from French to

[5:10] English throughout the

[5:11] presentation. On va commencer

[5:12] par regarder ensemble le budget

[5:14] de fonctionnement. On va avoir

[5:16] un bref rappel sur le budget

[5:18] d'immobilisation. On va,

[5:19] naturellement, couvrir aussi le

[5:21] service de la dette et, à la

[5:23] toute fin, on va vous parler des

[5:25] augmentations au compte de taxes

[5:26] qui seront en moyenne de 3,9%.

[5:29] Tonight, we are gonna look at

[5:30] the operating budget, the

[5:32] capital budget. We are gonna

[5:33] look at the debt service, and of

[5:35] course, the property taxes. Le

[5:41] budget de fonctionnement des

[5:42] moins 23 était de 173 vers

[5:44] quelques millions. L'année

[5:46] prochaine, rendez-vous à 24, le

[5:47] budget sera de 181,5 millions.

[5:49] C'est une augmentation de 8,3

[5:51] millions, soit 4,8%. Comme

[5:54] monsieur le maire vient de

[5:55] l'expliquer, la majeure partie

[5:56] de l'augmentation, soit 5

[5:59] millions, provient de

[6:00] l'augmentation de la quote-part

[6:02] de l'agglomération de Montréal.

[6:04] La différence, le 3 millions

[6:07] d'écart, provient des

[6:09] augmentations de coûts qui sont

[6:11] contrôlés par nous directement

[6:12] ici à Pointe-Claire. The

[6:17] operating budget in 2023 was

[6:20] 173.2 million. In 2024, the

[6:23] budget will be 181.5 million,

[6:25] which is an increase of 8.3

[6:27] million, or 4.8%. The main --

[6:31] the major factor that is

[6:33] bringing this increase of 8.3 is

[6:35] the increase in the -- which is

[6:38] 5 million. The rest are expenses

[6:43] directly controlled by

[6:46] Pointe-Claire. On va regarder du

[6:48] côté des revenus pour commencer.

[6:52] Les revenus du côté de la

[6:53] taxation en 2024 seront de 161,5

[6:57] millions, soit une augmentation

[6:58] de 4,2%. Ça provient

[7:01] principalement de l'augmentation

[7:02] de la taxe foncière et de la

[7:04] taxe d'eau. Les services rendus,

[7:08] ce sont principalement des

[7:09] abonnements, par exemple au

[7:10] centre aquatique, et les

[7:12] différents services que l'on va

[7:13] à la population. Le budget pour

[7:14] l'année prochaine est très

[7:16] similaire, soit de l'ordre de 6

[7:19] millions. Donc à peu près pas

[7:20] d'augmentation de ce côté-là.

[7:22] Imposition de droit, ça, ce sont

[7:24] principalement les droits de

[7:25] mutations ainsi que les permis

[7:26] de construction. De ce côté-ci,

[7:29] il y a une augmentation de... on

[7:32] sera à 6,4 millions l'année

[7:34] prochaine. C'est une

[7:35] augmentation de 6,4%. C'est

[7:37] principalement les permis de

[7:39] construction qui augmente

[7:41] quelque peu. Paiement tenant

[7:45] lieu de taxes, ça, ce sont les

[7:46] taxes que l'on perçoit,

[7:48] principalement pour tout ce qui

[7:49] est les écoles ainsi que

[7:50] l'hôpital. Donc, il y a un

[7:53] ajustement. Le 1,7 millions,

[7:55] l'année prochaine, on voit une

[7:56] baisse. Mais dans le fond, ce

[7:58] qui est arrivé, c'est qu'on a

[8:00] ajusté le budget, tout

[8:01] simplement, aux réelles. Le réel

[8:03] 2023 est un peu plus bas que le

[8:05] budget et on s'est rajusté tout

[8:07] simplement. Ce n'est pas une

[8:08] diminution de revenus, c'est

[8:09] tout simplement qu'ici ils y

[8:12] avaient... le budget était

[8:13] surévalué. Au niveau des

[8:16] transferts, ça, ce sont

[8:18] principalement les subventions

[8:19] que l'on touche au cours de

[8:21] l'année. Les subventions ou les

[8:24] transferts seront légèrement à

[8:25] la hausse d'environ 100000

[8:28] dollars ou de 7,7%. Du côté des

[8:31] intérêts et pénalité, on voit

[8:33] une forte hausse. On sera à 2,9

[8:36] millions. Les revenus augmentent

[8:37] substantiellement de ce côté-ci.

[8:38] C'est principalement les revenus

[8:41] d'intérêt que l'on touche

[8:42] maintenant. Les taux d'intérêt

[8:43] ont augmenté de façon

[8:46] significative au cours des

[8:47] derniers mois et, heureusement,

[8:48] on a des placements. Donc, les

[8:51] placements ont

[8:54] (---)

[8:55] à des nouveaux taux, les taux

[8:56] d'intérêt significativement

[8:59] augmentés nous génère des

[9:01] revenus supplémentaires. À mon

[9:02] des pénalités. De ce côté-ci, à

[9:04] peu près pas le changement. Du

[9:08] côté des autres revenus, c'est

[9:10] négligeable. Où va votre dès

[9:13] lors de l'accession? Pour chaque

[9:15] dollar que la Ville de

[9:17] Pointe-Claire. -- The question

[9:19] period will be after -- I will

[9:22] switch in a few seconds. Okay?

[9:44] Pour la sécurité publique, ces

[9:45] deux sous-. Pour le transport,

[9:47] ça, c'est principalement le

[9:48] transport de neige et ainsi de

[9:49] suite, c'est huit sous.

[9:50] L'hygiène du milieu, quatre

[9:52] sous. L'organisme, un sous-.

[9:55] Loisirs et culture, 12 sous.

[9:57] Pour l'entretien des véhicules,

[9:59] un sous-. L'entretien des

[10:00] édifices, cinq sous. Et

[10:02] finalement, le service de la

[10:03] dette, trois sous. Donc, je le

[10:05] répète, ça, c'est une façon de

[10:08] visualiser ou va chacun de vos

[10:09] dollars de taxation qui sont

[10:11] perçus par la Ville de

[10:12] Pointe-Claire. Du côté des

[10:19] dépenses, au niveau du budget de

[10:21] fonctionnement, comme je vous le

[10:22] disais, il y a une forte hausse

[10:23] du côté de la quote-part, soit 5

[10:27] millions, soit 6,4%. Culture,

[10:30] sport et loisirs, il y a une

[10:32] augmentation de 2%. C'est à

[10:35] peine 400000 dollars. Du côté

[10:38] des... du transport, c'est une

[10:40] augmentation de 11,4%. On sera à

[10:43] 16,8 millions l'année prochaine.

[10:46] Au niveau de l'administration

[10:47] générale, une augmentation de

[10:50] 5,9%. On sera à 15,7 millions

[10:52] l'année prochaine. L'entretien

[10:54] des bâtiments, on sera à 11,2

[10:57] millions, soit une augmentation

[10:58] de tout près de 12%. Pour

[11:01] l'hygiène du milieu, on sera à

[11:02] 7,6 millions environ, soit une

[11:05] augmentation de 5,8. Les frais

[11:08] de financement, heureusement, il

[11:10] y a une baisse. On baisse

[11:12] d'environ 500000 dollars. Vous

[11:13] allez voir dans quelques minutes

[11:15] que le service de la dette

[11:16] baisse. Donc, par conséquent, il

[11:18] y a moins de dépenses de ce

[11:19] côté-ci. Une baisse de 19%. Tous

[11:22] les coûts pour la sécurité

[11:24] publique augmente et elle sera à

[11:26] peu près 400000 de plus l'année

[11:29] prochaine à 4,1 millions, soit

[11:32] 9,1%. Pour l'urbanisme, les

[11:34] chiffres sont relativement

[11:37] similaires en dollars, mais en

[11:38] pourcentage, c'est 6,5. Pour les

[11:41] véhicules, on parle de 2,8

[11:42] millions à 3 millions, soit une

[11:44] augmentation de 7,8%. Et

[11:47] finalement, pour les

[11:48] financements et affectations, il

[11:49] y a une baisse de 20% de ce

[11:52] côté-ci. Voici une

[11:56] représentation graphique Aaron

[11:59] de où les dépenses sont faites

[12:04] maintenant par Service, par

[12:06] direction. Là, cette fois-ci, la

[12:09] représentation est sur le budget

[12:10] total. Tantôt, je vous

[12:12] présentais la représentation de

[12:13] où allaient 1 dollar de

[12:15] taxation, c'est-à-dire pour les

[12:16] 160 millions. Ici, c'est le

[12:18] budget global des dépenses.

[12:20] Donc, il y a 51% qui vont

[12:23] directement pour les paiements

[12:24] de quote-part, fin de

[12:26] financement, affectations et

[12:28] réserve. Pour le conseil et la

[12:30] direction générale, c'est 1% du

[12:32] budget. Pour les finances, c'est

[12:35] 5%. Les affaires juridiques,

[12:36] c'est 1%. Les communications,

[12:38] c'est 1%. Les arrachent, on est

[12:40] à 2%. Inspections et sécurité

[12:44] publique, nous sommes à 2%.

[12:47] Travaux publics, immeubles et

[12:48] équipements, 23%. L'ingénierie a

[12:52] 2%, le urbanisme a deux. Et

[12:55] finalement, culture, sports

[12:57] loisirs, 10%. Now, in English,

[13:01] okay? The revenues, okay?

[13:05] Taxation revenues will increase

[13:09] from 154.9 million to 161

[13:12] million. That's an increase of

[13:15] 4.2%. Services provided, those

[13:17] are mainly all the services that

[13:19] we render to all the citizens,

[13:22] such as the aquatic center. So,

[13:28] basically, there is no increase

[13:31] on this section. Imposition of

[13:34] duties, that is basically the

[13:36] welcome tax and the construction

[13:38] permit. There is an increase of

[13:40] roughly 400,000, or an increase

[13:42] of 6.4%. Paiement tenant lieu de

[13:48] taxes Those are the taxes that

[13:49] we collect for the schools and

[13:51] the hospital. So, there is an

[13:54] adjustment. That adjustment is

[13:56] basically to reflect the actual.

[13:58] We were over budgeted in 2023.

[14:01] Transfers, that was basically

[14:03] the grants that we get from

[14:06] mostly the provincial

[14:07] government. There is an increase

[14:08] of roughly 400,000 or 7.7%.

[14:13] Increase, interest in penalties,

[14:14] a big increase due to the fact

[14:16] that the money in the bank

[14:18] generates the interests have

[14:21] increase significantly this

[14:23] year. So, therefore, we are

[14:26] lucky. We have the

[14:36] JICs in English, thank you. That

[14:39] is a major increase in 2024. For

[14:42] finds, the amounts are quite

[14:44] similar. And the same thing for

[14:46] other income. So, where does

[14:48] your taxation dollar go? 54%, or

[14:55] 54 cents of every taxation

[14:57] dollar that we collect is

[15:00] remitted to the adult. And after

[15:03] that, there is two cents for the

[15:06] investments, eight cents for

[15:08] administration, two cents for

[15:09] Public Security, eight cents for

[15:12] transportation, four cents for

[15:13] the environment -- one cent for

[15:17] urban planning, culture, sports,

[15:18] and leisure, 12 cents, cars and

[15:19] trucks, 12%, the public

[15:20] buildings, Mayor's public

[15:21] buildings, 5%. Les jeunes du

[15:22] milieu

[15:30] And that repayment, 3%. So, that

[15:33] is how the taxation dollar is

[15:35] paid. That is basically, just to

[15:37] come back, that is the -- the

[15:41] 161 million, where does it go.

[15:47] In a minute, we are gonna look

[15:48] at the expenses, but the total

[15:50] expenses. Now, the expenses, as

[15:53] I said, major increase in the --

[15:58] roughly 5 million, that's an

[15:59] increase of 6.4 million. And you

[16:01] are gonna see the rest in

[16:03] dollars, there is an increase of

[16:05] only three for all the expenses

[16:07] controlled by Pointe-Claire but

[16:09] 5 million for the -- so cultures

[16:15] sports and leisure, increase of

[16:16] roughly 400,000 or 2%.

[16:19] Transportation, we are gonna be

[16:20] at 16.8 million, an increase of

[16:24] 11.4%. Admin, we are gonna be at

[16:29] 15.7, an increase of 5.9.

[16:33] Building, the maintenance for

[16:34] buildings is gonna be at 11.2,

[16:37] an increase of 11.7%.

[16:42] L'environnement, l'hygiène du

[16:43] milieu It's gonna be an increase

[16:44] of roughly 400,000 or 5.8%.

[16:48] Financing costs, they are

[16:51] decreasing because we're gonna

[16:52] see in a few minutes that the

[16:53] long term debt is decreasing,

[16:55] therefore the expenses are

[16:57] decreasing. The cost for Public

[16:59] Security, an increase of roughly

[17:02] 400,000, or 9.1%. Urban

[17:05] planning, an increase of roughly

[17:08] 100,000, or 6.5%. For the fleet

[17:11] of cars and trucks, the budget

[17:13] will be at 3 million, 7.8%. And

[17:17] finally, the expenses for

[17:21] financing allocations are

[17:23] decreasing by almost 20%. So,

[17:28] this is the graphic view of how,

[17:32] where the money goes by

[17:34] direction. So, of course, to

[17:36] start off with a 51%, it goes to

[17:39] the quote-part for the, well,

[17:42] the agglo. And then for City

[17:44] Council and city manager's

[17:45] office, 1%. Finance, 5%. Legal

[17:50] affairs, 1%. Communications,

[17:53] one. HR, 2%. Public security,

[17:57] 2%. Public works, buildings, and

[17:59] equipment, 23%. Engineering, 2%.

[18:03] Urban planning, 2% as well. And

[18:05] finally, culture, sports, and

[18:07] leisure, 10%. Just a quick

[18:12] reminder about the -- En

[18:16] français, le budget

[18:18] d'immobilisation où notre PTI,

[18:20] notre programme triennal

[18:22] d'investissement, a été présenté

[18:23] en novembre. On a

[18:25] essentiellement présenté ces

[18:26] montants-là, ce budget-là du PTI

[18:28] de notre programme

[18:30] d'investissement a été adopté.

[18:32] Mais juste un rappel rapide

[18:33] qu'il y aura différents projets

[18:35] pour une somme totale de 35,4

[18:38] millions. Les projets les plus

[18:40] importants seront la réfection

[18:42] de la rue Monterey, Bellerive

[18:45] en. On va avoir Saunders et on

[18:46] va avoir une trop. On va avoir

[18:48] des travaux importants aussi aux

[18:51] échangeurs de l'autoroute 20 et

[18:53] des sources et des services

[18:56] professionnels importants pour

[18:58] étudier la réflexion de

[18:59] l'échangeur Saint-Jean et de la

[19:01] 40. Du côté des parcs, il y aura

[19:03] des réflexions de terrain de

[19:07] tennis, et incorpore

[19:10] (---)

[19:11] possiblement également une piste

[19:13] cyclable près de

[19:14] (---)

[19:15] six et seulement si on est

[19:16] capable d'avoir une subvention.

[19:19] Finalement, il y aura différents

[19:21] remplacement d'équipements, que

[19:22] ce soit pour les véhicules

[19:24] équipements informatiques. Un

[19:28] programme d'investissement se

[19:29] doit d'être également financées.

[19:31] Le financement sera

[19:33] principalement les règlements

[19:35] d'emprunts à l'ensemble du

[19:38] territoire. Il y aura un 15% qui

[19:39] proviendra des réserves et,

[19:41] finalement, un 3% qui proviendra

[19:43] du fond de parc et terrain de

[19:44] jeu. On a un aperçu... on fait

[19:48] toujours une planification 50,

[19:50] et si je ne vous présente que 3

[19:52] ans, mais je vous ai présenté

[19:55] notre niveau de certitude et de

[19:57] confort pour 2024 est élevé.

[20:00] Naturellement, plus on s'éloigne

[20:01] dans le temps, moins le degré de

[20:03] précision est important. Et je

[20:06] dois cependant vous rappeler que

[20:07] les montants que vous voyez ici

[20:08] sont significatifs pour 2025 et

[20:12] 2026, mais ces montants-là

[20:13] seront toujours... il y aura

[20:16] toujours un important travail de

[20:18] priorisation qui sera fait et

[20:20] qui devra être adaptée en

[20:22] fonction dans la capacité de

[20:23] payer des citoyens. In November,

[20:27] we adopted our CIPà land, that

[20:32] is our three-year program that

[20:34] we adopted if I'm not mistaken.

[20:36] In general, there's gonna be

[20:38] major projects for the streets,

[20:42] Monterrey, Millhaven, Sunday

[20:44] all, Winthrop. We're also gonna

[20:50] have work to finish at the -- 20

[20:57] and sources. There's also gonna

[20:59] be a tiny important cost

[21:01] regarding the planning for the

[21:04] intersection of the Santa and

[21:07] the 40. And for the parts of

[21:11] green spaces, we are planning on

[21:13] doing the tennis and pickleball

[21:16] at the Northview Park. We also

[21:19] have a grant to build a new bike

[21:22] path, bike path in the -- and

[21:26] the rest, there is also

[21:28] replacement for fleet, cars, and

[21:32] that equipment. CIP has to be

[21:36] financed, and of course, most of

[21:37] the financing will come from

[21:40] borrowing bylaws, 82%. 15% will

[21:43] come from reserves, and 3% will

[21:45] be from the parks and playground

[21:48] funds. As I said in French,

[21:53] there are significant -- amounts

[21:56] for the future years but of

[21:58] course, this will have to be

[22:01] prioritized according to the

[22:03] citizens capacity to pay and the

[22:06] potential for completion. La

[22:11] date à long terme. On a commencé

[22:14] l'année 2023 à 104,4 millions.

[22:16] On a eu des remboursements de

[22:17] capital de 19 millions. Cette

[22:21] année, on est heureux de vous

[22:23] apprendre que, pour la deuxième

[22:25] année consécutive, il n'y a eu

[22:27] aucun nouvel emprunt, ce qui

[22:28] fait qu'on termine l'année à

[22:30] 85,4 millions. Ce qui est

[22:34] planifié pour des 1024. On va

[22:38] ouvrir... notre seule de

[22:40] fermeture devient

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[22:43] notre seule d'ouverture de 2024.

[22:44] En 84,5 millions, on va

[22:46] rembourser les tranches de

[22:48] capital pour un total de 18,5

[22:51] millions et on aura possiblement

[22:53] des emprunts d'un maximum de 5

[22:56] millions. Ce 5 millions-là, pour

[22:57] le moment, s'il doit être

[22:59] réalisé, ce sera à la toute fin

[23:01] de l'année 2024. Donc, on espère

[23:03] que 2024 sera la troisième année

[23:07] consécutive où la Ville de

[23:08] Pointe-Claire n'aura pas à

[23:11] négocier de nouveaux

[23:12] financements. Long term debt, we

[23:16] started the year at 104.4

[23:19] million. We have reimbursed

[23:21] capital repayments of 19

[23:23] million. We did not contract any

[23:25] additional long-term debt. So we

[23:27] are ending the year at 85.4

[23:30] million. That becomes our

[23:31] opening balance. In 2024, we

[23:34] will reimburse capital

[23:36] repayments of 18.5 million.

[23:38] Hopefully, we won't have to

[23:41] negotiate new financing. But if

[23:43] we do have to do that, it will

[23:45] be only at the end of 2024, and

[23:48] it will be only in the month,

[23:51] amount of 5 million. Therefore,

[23:53] hopefully, this amount of 71.9

[23:56] million will be the -- the

[24:00] balance will be lower than that

[24:01] if we don't negotiate the 5

[24:04] million. Les taux de taxation.

[24:08] Comme monsieur Lemaire l'a

[24:09] annoncé plus tôt, tout ce qui

[24:11] est résidentiel sera à 3,9%. Ce

[24:16] sera la même chose pour la

[24:18] catégorie des immeubles de six

[24:20] logements et plus. Pour les

[24:22] immeubles commerciaux, la

[24:24] première tranche d'1 million

[24:26] sera également à 3,9%. Les

[24:30] immeubles commerciaux, la

[24:32] tranche excédant 1 million, ce

[24:33] sera à 4,5% d'augmentation. Les

[24:38] immeubles industriels, ce sera à

[24:41] 3,9%. Vous voyez les taux, mais

[24:42] je vous donne les pourcentages

[24:44] et on va regarder, dans quelques

[24:46] instants, une résidence

[24:47] moyennant Pointe-Claire. Les

[24:49] terrains vagues, c'est la même

[24:50] chose, c'est une augmentation de

[24:53] 3,9%. Et finalement, la

[24:55] tarification de l'eau passera de

[24:57] 1,11 dollars par mètre cube à

[25:03] 1,22 dollars du mètre cube. Je

[25:08] vais juste vous rappeler que

[25:11] nous sommes à l'année un rôle

[25:13] triennal de 3 ans. Donc, ce que

[25:16] ça veut dire, c'est qu'à la fin

[25:18] 2022, au 1er janvier, il y a eu

[25:20] un rôle triennal... le service

[25:23] d'évaluation foncière de la

[25:24] Ville de Montréal nous soumet un

[25:25] nouveau rôle. Ce nouveau rôle là

[25:28] est venu en effet au 1er janvier

[25:31] 2023. En général, les

[25:35] résidentes, tout ce qui est

[25:37] résidentielle, l'augmentation

[25:38] moyenne était de 42% de 2022 à

[25:43] 2023. Puisqu'on a un rôle

[25:45] triennal pour les années 2023,

[25:47] 2024 et 2025, la valeur des

[25:50] maisons restent stables. Je vous

[25:52] rappelle que la valeur des

[25:54] maisons, de 2022 à 2023, il y a

[25:57] eu grosso modo une augmentation

[25:58] d'environ 200000, ou 42%. Donc,

[26:02] on a dû réajuster les taux à la

[26:05] baisse pour ajuster le compte de

[26:08] taxes. Là, en 2024, la valeur

[26:11] moyenne reste stable parce que

[26:13] le rôle triennal reste fixe

[26:14] pendant 3 ans. Ce qu'on fait,

[26:18] c'est plutôt des ajustements de

[26:19] taux. Donc, le taux passe de

[26:24] 0,26 à 0,62, 61, soit 2,35 sous

[26:28] par tranche de

[26:30] (---)

[26:31] dollars, ce qui veut dire une

[26:32] augmentation du compte de taxes

[26:33] de 158 dollars ou 3,9%. The

[26:42] rates, the property tax rates in

[26:44] 2024, you have the numbers here.

[26:47] But they are all increases of

[26:50] 3.9%, except for commercial

[26:52] buildings for the portion above

[26:53] 1 million. In this category, the

[26:56] increase will be 4.5%. But for

[26:59] all the other categories, it's

[27:01] going to be an increase of 3.9%.

[27:03] We are gonna look at the --

[27:07] residents. As I was saying in

[27:09] French, we are at the beginning

[27:11] -- we are in the first year of

[27:12] the assessment role. Le service

[27:15] d'évaluation foncière de

[27:16] Montréal Gives us an assessment

[27:18] role every three years. Last

[27:20] year, we obtained a new

[27:22] assessment role, and there was a

[27:23] major increase in the value of

[27:25] all the residences in

[27:27] Pointe-Claire. But now, the

[27:29] value of our houses is now

[27:32] stable, and it will stay stable

[27:34] for 2023, 2024, and 2025. The

[27:38] major increase last year was an

[27:40] increase in value. We had to

[27:42] decrease the rates. So, last

[27:44] year, they increase in taxes was

[27:46] in general 5.9%, if and only if,

[27:50] you were on the average. And as

[27:52] I was explaining, some people

[27:54] had greater increases in value,

[27:57] more than 42%. Therefore, the

[28:00] taxation rate has to be -- the

[28:04] same for all citizens. But the

[28:06] value of some houses has

[28:08] increased by 50% instead of 42%.

[28:11] Therefore, you are being hit by,

[28:13] in some cases, additional -- in

[28:17] some cases, yes. But for 2024,

[28:22] the value of the houses, the

[28:24] average house, the value stays

[28:27] the same. And it will stay the

[28:28] same for the next three years,

[28:31] 2024, 2025 -- well, it was, the

[28:35] new value was for 2023, 2024,

[28:39] 2025. So, therefore, there is

[28:41] only an adjustment in the rate.

[28:43] The rate increases by 0.6, 26 to

[28:49] 0.2 60 to 61. So that is an

[28:51] increase of 3.9% in the rate

[28:53] because the value of the houses

[28:55] has not increased. So the tax

[28:57] bill will increase for the

[28:59] average house from 4063 to 4221,

[29:03] or $158, or 3.9%. There is an

[29:10] annex one, and next to. But

[29:13] basically the annex one, and

[29:14] next to, it's basically the same

[29:16] thing. Revenue, expenses, long

[29:18] term debt, those are the same

[29:20] number in the annexes, depending

[29:23] on if you look at the

[29:25] presentation for the expenses.

[29:31] Now, --

[29:34] - Période des questions. >> I

[29:39] will gladly answer any

[29:41] questions. Lynn Conway.

[29:47] >> Good evening. Good evening,

[29:49] Council. I don't know where to

[29:51] start. Last evaluation, last tax

[29:53] bill, I am paying $600 more in

[29:56] taxes. And my background is

[29:58] accounting. So, I find this

[30:00] interesting. I have a question,

[30:03] though, for the long term debt.

[30:09] Is everything included in the

[30:10] long term debt this year,

[30:12] because last year, at the end of

[30:15] the meeting, that whip said

[30:17] there was a separate long term

[30:18] debt with the agglo.

[30:20] >> The agglo --

[30:21] >> Use that all included this

[30:23] time?

[30:24] >> This is the long term debt

[30:25] controlled by Pointe-Claire. The

[30:27] agglo also contracts long term

[30:32] debts.

[30:33] >> It's only that we had the

[30:34] long term debt, but the agglo --

[30:36] we have a chair.

[30:38] >> The agglo itself, okay,

[30:41] transfers portions of long term

[30:44] debt to Montréal and all 15

[30:49] cities. But the debt of the

[30:51] agglo is not controlled by us.

[30:53] It's controlled by the agglo.

[30:55] But someone has to account for

[30:58] it. Therefore, they tell us how

[31:00] much long term debt of the agglo

[31:02] is transferred to Pointe-Claire.

[31:04] >> But I think, Linda was

[31:07] talking about last year, when we

[31:09] emerged from Montréal, they gave

[31:13] us a debt that we had to repay

[31:15] them.

[31:16] >> That's part of the agglo long

[31:19] term debt. This debt is the debt

[31:22] controlled by this council,

[31:25] whenever we negotiate warring

[31:29] bylaws, this is what we control,

[31:31] and this is what we borrow, and

[31:33] this is what we report, because

[31:36] we control of that. The agglo

[31:38] also makes borrowing bylaws.

[31:43] They add them up. And they carry

[31:47] the long term debt at the same

[31:49] way they distribute the long

[31:50] term costs. That is why, in our

[31:53] quote-part, we take part of the

[31:55] expenses of the agglo. And we

[31:56] also take part of the long term

[31:58] debt of the agglo. But I'm

[32:01] presenting only the debt that is

[32:02] in our books. So, it's only the

[32:05] debt that we control.

[32:07] >> Okay, and we have

[32:10] investments.

[32:11] >> Yes --

[32:12] >> So, we are collecting money

[32:14] on our investment which might

[32:17] pay -- we might get, like, a

[32:19] smaller percentage interest. But

[32:22] then, we borrow money where we

[32:24] will pay more interest.

[32:26] >> Well, that's why I hope that

[32:30] for the third year in a row, in

[32:33] 2024, as I was saying,

[32:35] hopefully, we won't borrow any

[32:37] money because, yes, we have GICs

[32:43] yes, we make interest on them,

[32:45] and hopefully, our cash position

[32:47] is favourable right now.

[32:49] Therefore, we don't have to

[32:50] increase our long-term debt

[32:52] because although money is in the

[32:53] bank right now and we are

[32:55] collecting interest on it.

[32:57] >> But why don't we use the --

[33:01] our assets, the GICs, to pay our

[33:06] long-term debt.

[33:08] >> That is what we are doing

[33:10] gradually. As you can see, there

[33:12] are important capital

[33:14] repayments, okay? So, we do have

[33:17] reserves. So, when the capital

[33:19] repayments become due, we use

[33:22] those reserves to pay the

[33:25] long-term debt. But they will

[33:27] have to become do you because

[33:30] they were negotiated a few years

[33:33] ago, but in general, the long

[33:35] term debt, whenever we borrow

[33:36] money, it's over a 20-year

[33:39] period. So there are capital

[33:42] portions that are offered to be

[33:44] refinanced every five years. And

[33:46] that is why we have reserves.

[33:48] So, basically we have money in

[33:50] the bank account to reimburse

[33:53] any one refinancing that becomes

[33:57] due.

[33:58] >> Okay, and it's spread out --

[34:00] >> It's spread out over a long

[34:02] period of time.

[34:03] >> When we come to that meetings

[34:04] every month, in the agenda, I

[34:07] always see there is items where

[34:12] there is borrowing involved.

[34:13] Here, it is written, new

[34:16] financing, zero. In December, it

[34:17] was maybe at 500,000. November,

[34:20] 2.1 million. There's always some

[34:22] type of borrowing.

[34:24] >> We do negotiate borrowing

[34:27] bylaws. It doesn't mean that we

[34:28] use them. Every time we present

[34:33] a CIP program, a capital

[34:35] investment program, the program

[34:36] has to be financed. How it's

[34:39] financed? By negotiating the

[34:42] burrowing bylaws. Those are just

[34:45] the burrowing bylaws that are

[34:47] negotiated, but it doesn't mean

[34:49] that we do actually use them. It

[34:52] is like negotiating a line of

[34:54] credit with the bank. We

[34:56] negotiate the line of credit,

[34:58] but it's offered to us, but we

[35:00] try not to use it. That's why

[35:03] here, I say, okay, we are gonna

[35:06] have major renovation, major

[35:10] construction projects, but we

[35:12] are trying to pay them with the

[35:13] money that we have in the band,

[35:15] and not use that minor credit.

[35:18] >> Okay, I'm just trying to

[35:20] understand why they would put it

[35:21] in the agenda meeting --

[35:26] >> -- There is an obligation for

[35:27] all municipalities to present

[35:28] that capital investment program

[35:29] and to finance the capital

[35:30] investment program.

[35:31] Le ministère des Finances, le

[35:32] ministère des Affaires

[35:33] municipales

[35:40] >> So it might mean that there

[35:42] is no borrowing going on but

[35:44] it's not actually --

[35:45] >> It's not being used. That's

[35:48] why I compare that to the line

[35:50] of credit. You negotiate a line

[35:51] of credit, if you don't use it,

[35:53] it doesn't cost you anything. If

[35:55] you use it, then you pay

[35:56] interest on it.

[35:57] >> What I thought was

[35:58] interesting also is we are

[36:00] budget is increasing by 4.2%

[36:03] because they agglo increased

[36:06] taxes by 5.9% -- I am paying

[36:12] 16.5% more taxes. I'm wondering,

[36:15] my evaluation went up by 44%.

[36:19] >> It's probably more than that.

[36:22] >> I am paying $600 more in

[36:25] taxes -- yes --

[36:28] >> Let's look -- can I offer

[36:30] that you call me or you come in

[36:31] see me, okay? I will explain to

[36:34] you the value of your house in

[36:36] 2022, the value of your house in

[36:38] --

[36:39] >> I understand very well, and I

[36:40] have a problem with that concept

[36:44] for me in the elementary. It's

[36:46] at the end, I have to pay $600

[36:48] more, but then, I did not see it

[36:50] reflected in the revenue that we

[36:51] have, and the revenue went up by

[36:54] 4.2%. Yet, my text went up by

[36:57] 16.5%. It's somebody having a

[36:58] decrease in their taxes?

[37:00] >> Yes, yes, some people had

[37:03] decreases because they were

[37:04] below the average. The increase

[37:07] in value on average was 42%.

[37:09] They increase in value from 2020

[37:11] to 2023, that is the average.

[37:15] Some people were below the

[37:17] average and some people were

[37:18] above the average. We always the

[37:21] present the average value of the

[37:24] house. But those 10,000 --

[37:26] >> But the assessment went down

[37:27] as well because I did not hear

[37:29] about anybody paying those

[37:31] taxes. It's the first time I

[37:32] hear that --

[37:33] >> No, there was a lot of people

[37:34] that had decreases. Well, they

[37:38] were not being hit by 5.9. The

[37:41] average was 5.9. Some people are

[37:43] paying three. Some people were

[37:45] paying 12%, increase in taxes. I

[37:49] am talking -- we always present

[37:51] the average. That's why, I will

[37:55] gladly look at your -- at the

[37:59] value of your house, explain the

[38:01] increase in value, and explain

[38:04] that there was a decrease in the

[38:06] rate. But you were force or

[38:08] above the average of 42%

[38:10] increase in the value of your

[38:11] house last year.

[38:14] >> Roughly, about 44, 45% --

[38:18] >> At least 45.

[38:20] >> There is a need to justify

[38:22] that because maybe a few houses

[38:24] in my neighbourhood went up in

[38:26] price because it was scarcity

[38:28] right after COVID. But now,

[38:32] things are going back to normal.

[38:34] There is no score city now.

[38:36] >> There is always fluctuation

[38:38] in that real estate market. Yes

[38:41] -- and, again, I will gladly

[38:44] come and see me, and we will

[38:47] look at it, and then, we will

[38:49] explain in detail why there was

[38:50] an increase in value of your

[38:52] house, and how it was reflected

[38:55] in the increase in your taxes of

[38:58] 2023. Next year, the value of

[39:00] your house right now is staying

[39:03] stable. Therefore, you are only

[39:05] affected by the fluctuation in

[39:07] that taxation rate. Therefore,

[39:09] your tax increase would be 3.9%.

[39:14] >> Okay, thank you.

[39:15] >> Okay?

[39:18] >> Councillor Eric Stork?

[39:20] >> Just to help understand,

[39:21] because the long-term debt has

[39:23] been brought up a number of

[39:24] times on how it's calculated.

[39:25] The best way to explain it is

[39:26] that the citizens of

[39:28] Pointe-Claire have to credit

[39:29] cards, one that is managed by

[39:30] the City, and won managed by

[39:32] Montréal. Our total credit card

[39:34] debt is, I think, if I'm not

[39:35] mistaken, between municipal and

[39:37] Montréal, it's about 200 and $20

[39:39] million, if I'm not mistaken.

[39:41] >> Yeah.

[39:42] >> Something of that nature. In

[39:43] our credit card, let's say we

[39:44] have 100,000 dollar balance.

[39:46] Since 2017, our debt on our

[39:48] credit card has actually gone

[39:49] down to about $75. The debt that

[39:52] we control, 2017, I think it was

[39:55] 112 million, now we are down to

[39:57] 71. That is 71 of 210, let's

[40:01] say, which is three times more.

[40:04] The debt, liquidate card for

[40:05] Montréal that they have that we

[40:07] pay for was about $100,000. But

[40:09] that has gone up to $145,000.

[40:13] So, our increase in debt is

[40:15] increasing, but the debt that we

[40:17] control on our credit card has

[40:19] gone down. It's the Montréal

[40:21] credit card that has basically

[40:22] gone crazy. Is that a fair

[40:26] assessment?

[40:27] >> Yes.

[40:28] >> I'm just trying to help put

[40:31] visualizer a bit better.

[40:33] >> I would don't mind your

[40:36] choice of words, but yeah.

[40:45] >> Councillor --

[40:46] >> Good evening. The taxes have

[40:49] increased 600, my wife, are we

[40:54] able -- the City Council when

[40:55] they vote for the

[40:57] administration, they say when we

[40:59] give permission to build all the

[41:01] high-rises and the condos, it's

[41:02] going to lower our taxes. But we

[41:05] never had this kind of increase

[41:08] we. We have lived in

[41:09] Pointe-Claire for 60 years. We

[41:12] increased 60% in the value of

[41:13] the House, 45%. So, the city

[41:18] council can vote for -- to

[41:21] freeze the taxes for people when

[41:23] they increase that much, 16% --

[41:28] $600 a year. Then you vote to

[41:33] freeze that taxes for the

[41:37] citizens, or the household

[41:39] increase in taxes, not much. I

[41:42] am talking because when they

[41:45] vote for everything --

[41:47] >> Go ahead --

[41:50] >> I think it's comparable here.

[41:52] My analysis, I have had many

[41:54] different people, if there was

[41:56] an increase, the development

[41:57] that we have had in terms of

[41:59] these apartments, slash condos,

[42:02] rental condos, have lowered the

[42:04] increase that we have seen. So,

[42:07] it is not by having them build

[42:11] those buildings. If the increase

[42:13] was 16%, it might have been 18%,

[42:16] in my opinion, in my analysis,

[42:18] from what I understand as a

[42:20] member of the finance committee.

[42:21] Yes, we had our increase. But to

[42:24] me, they are a net contributor

[42:26] to our tax base, not a loss. The

[42:29] increase is diminished, the

[42:31] interest might have been more if

[42:32] we did not have them, that's

[42:33] what I'm trying to say.

[42:34] >> But we never had this

[42:36] increase. For 30 years, it was

[42:39] 2% -- we never had that. The

[42:43] second thing also, you said the

[42:46] City of Pointe-Claire -- the

[42:48] City of Montréal increased our

[42:51] value of the houses. And some

[42:55] increased too much, like us, and

[42:57] some did not increase by that

[42:58] much. Can the city contest about

[43:00] that? How can someone pay $300

[43:04] to increase or get 100, they

[43:06] refuse it? The city is supposed

[43:08] to be -- because the city gave

[43:10] them the data for how to

[43:12] increase our taxes, our

[43:14] valuation of the house. Count

[43:16] the City contest about all that,

[43:19] on behalf of all residents?

[43:21] >> We don't give them the data,

[43:23] sir. The market gives them the

[43:25] data. And the sale prices of

[43:27] houses, it is what the data is.

[43:31] >> But, you know, there was

[43:34] COVID, the interest that was

[43:37] 1.5. Now, that is -- the

[43:40] mortgage is almost 8%. There is

[43:43] a shortage of houses because

[43:46] they are building only

[43:48] high-rises or condos. So it's

[43:49] not our fault as a household. So

[43:52] what I'm saying, you know, as a

[43:56] citizen, and City Council, we

[43:58] can share all that and contest

[44:00] to the City of Montréal on our

[44:03] behalf. Instead of having every

[44:06] household pay through the

[44:07] dollars, they're not getting

[44:08] everything for, $200 in the end.

[44:11] So at least, and we do that?

[44:13] >> Every household is paying

[44:16] $158 more this year.

[44:18] >> I am talking about last year,

[44:21] the increased 4%, but it did not

[44:23] increase --

[44:24] >> That was only real estate

[44:26] fluctuation. It was only based

[44:27] on reinstate fluctuation and

[44:28] activity where you lived. It's a

[44:30] formula that we don't control.

[44:33] The agglo has its own formula

[44:34] for the increases and the cost

[44:36] of housing and how they

[44:38] evaluate. The valuation is not

[44:40] us, the valuation is the agglo.

[44:43] >> But, can't you contest that

[44:45] --

[44:46] >> How can we contest? Do you

[44:47] want to speak, Kelly? Sure.

[44:49] >> I do recognize that it is a

[44:52] stressor when you have a fixed

[44:53] income and your taxes are going

[44:55] up. But I don't believe from

[44:58] speaking to other residents,

[45:00] everyone would want their home

[45:02] reevaluated, and it should go

[45:03] back down. They are happy that

[45:04] the value of their home has gone

[45:06] up. That's why the taxes are

[45:07] what they are is because if you

[45:09] decided to sell tomorrow, and

[45:10] that was your investment for

[45:13] retirement, then you are shaking

[45:14] your head, but some people do

[45:15] not want to have their home

[45:17] reassessed. They are happy with

[45:18] the value of their home because

[45:20] that's what they can sell it for

[45:21] tomorrow. I recognize it's

[45:23] difficult when your house has

[45:24] gone up. A significant amount,

[45:26] so you are currently paying

[45:27] more, it will be stable for the

[45:29] next three years. Again, it was

[45:31] based on the market. It was

[45:32] based on the homes that were

[45:34] sold in your area, and that's

[45:35] how much they will determine it.

[45:37] It's not something that we

[45:39] control. And, yes, it is of

[45:40] concern for some. But there's

[45:42] others, other residents who are

[45:43] very happy that the value of

[45:45] their home has increased, so

[45:46] that they can sell their home at

[45:48] that higher value. So, the

[45:50] reason why you are paying more

[45:51] is because you have more of a

[45:53] value to property now.

[45:54] >> Understand that. When I spoke

[45:57] with my neighbours, everybody

[45:58] was disappointed, really, due to

[46:00] the increase. That's why I'm

[46:02] asking if the city council and

[46:04] the Mayor contest on behalf --

[46:09] to the City of Montréal, to

[46:13] consider lowering it. When you

[46:15] sell your house, it doesn't

[46:17] matter how much the valuation

[46:19] is. It's going to be what's

[46:21] inside your house, how you

[46:23] renovate it, how you take care

[46:24] of it. That's how the price is

[46:25] going to be. It's not because

[46:27] the city --

[46:29] >> We did protest. We did. We

[46:31] voted against the budget last

[46:33] week. We all protested.

[46:34] >> You contested?

[46:35] >> Yes, we contested. And I

[46:37] would be surprised if anybody

[46:39] looked up from their cell phone

[46:40] when we did so. I mean, it's

[46:42] really, the experience of the

[46:45] agglomeration, it's pretty much

[46:47] what it is. We make our

[46:49] statement, and even our

[46:53] president gets up and expresses

[46:55] this contempt. And once he is

[46:56] done, the meeting carries on.

[46:58] That is pretty much the extent

[46:59] of it, unfortunately.

[47:01] >> Thank you. I hope you do it

[47:03] again.

[47:04] >> If I can just pick up on a

[47:05] few things, a couple of comments

[47:06] which you are referring to.

[47:11] Councillor Eric Stork referred

[47:12] to the fact that increased

[47:13] residential development may in

[47:15] fact reduce access, which is

[47:17] contestable, which is debatable.

[47:19] We have seen and Pointe-Claire

[47:21] over the course of time,

[47:23] increased residential

[47:25] development, substantial

[47:26] residential development. And

[47:27] yet, the housing costs don't

[47:29] seem to go down, and increased

[47:31] supply doesn't seem to reduce

[47:32] the average costs of homes. So,

[47:34] you know, whether the two are

[47:37] comparable, I'm not sure. The

[47:38] second point I would like to

[47:39] make is commercial and

[47:41] industrial have a huge bearing.

[47:42] The old formula was commercial

[47:44] and industrial will bring you

[47:45] more revenue because you don't

[47:47] have to give as many services.

[47:49] So, if you have increased

[47:50] residential, you have to give

[47:52] schools, hospitals, garbage

[47:54] collection, recreation

[47:55] facilities, et cetera. And once

[47:56] you've done that, all that

[47:58] increased tax revenue goes back

[47:59] to services, where if it's

[48:02] industrial, you get your

[48:03] revenue, you don't have to give

[48:04] as many services. Councillor

[48:05] Eric Stork would disagree with

[48:06] that, but I learned from a book

[48:08] I read on it, and other mayors

[48:11] who strongly believe in that. We

[48:13] look at Mississauga which is the

[48:15] largest growth, residential area

[48:16] and the country. And it's taxes

[48:18] haven't gone up. The residential

[48:20] values don't seem to be

[48:22] diminished. So, it's open to

[48:23] debate, at the bare minimum,

[48:25] it's open to debate.

[48:26] >> Yes, if you allow to debate

[48:30] more single houses --

[48:31] >> Excuse me, Mister Mayor -- I

[48:34] apologize for interrupting.

[48:36] >> Would you like to speak?

[48:37] >> Well, I want to ask you a

[48:39] question --

[48:41] >> We are not supposed to be

[48:42] debating you and I.

[48:45] >> No, no, I just want to know,

[48:47] I think we are completely off

[48:49] track the agenda.

[48:52] >> No. I mean, that's your

[48:55] interpretation. The gentleman is

[48:56] asking about the personal -- the

[49:01] gentleman has asked about the

[49:03] rate of taxation and how much he

[49:04] has to pay. And we are speaking

[49:06] about exactly that in our

[49:09] budget. So, I don't think it's

[49:11] completely off base. We are

[49:14] getting, excuse me, we are

[49:16] getting into a little bit of sub

[49:18] debates here, so, maybe we can

[49:20] leave it at that. Are you good,

[49:22] sir?

[49:23] >> Okay, yes, I just hope really

[49:25] to allow for single houses to be

[49:27] built. So we need for future

[49:31] generations, families, live like

[49:33] what we have in our life. That

[49:35] is what I am wishing really to

[49:37] consider for the next generation

[49:38] of young families. Please.

[49:40] >> Okay. If I can just touch on

[49:41] that quickly before you sit

[49:43] down, and then we will finish at

[49:46] that, it is debatable whether

[49:47] the single family home is gonna

[49:49] be accorded to a lot of people

[49:50] in the future. We are looking at

[49:52] the missing muddled duplexes,

[49:55] triplexes, because we are

[49:56] running out of space to build.

[49:58] So, it is tricky. And you can't

[50:01] look at the single family

[50:02] dwelling as the future, the

[50:04] solution for families. There has

[50:05] to be other options for families

[50:07] as well.

[50:08] >> Okay, thank you.

[50:09] >> Thank you.

[50:10] >> Susan wiener?

[50:14] >> Thank you very much --

[50:16] >> Thank you. I would like to

[50:17] thank, of course, all my

[50:20] colleagues, who have been

[50:21] working hard on that budget with

[50:23] me. There is a lot of people

[50:25] involved and thank you to all my

[50:27] colleagues. Geneviève Lucien.

[50:37] - I was disappointed to hear the

[50:39] three-year plan doesn't have any

[50:40] money to purchase green spaces.

[50:42] But I am curious to know how

[50:44] much the budget is considering

[50:45] any effects of climate change,

[50:48] or any issues the city might

[50:50] encounter with greater climate

[50:52] events that are happening in the

[50:54] future?

[50:56] >> Well, of course, we have to

[50:59] look at all the expenses. I'm

[51:03] gonna go back a few slides here.

[51:07] If you look at all the slides

[51:10] for the environment, or if you

[51:11] look at all the expenses, either

[51:12] in transportation, environmental

[51:13] health. Pour l'environnement

[51:23] I will give you a direct

[51:25] example. A fleet of cars,

[51:27] electric cars, we are switching

[51:30] gradually to electric cars,

[51:31] okay? That is one example. We

[51:34] are also creating reserves for

[51:37] additional costs due to climate

[51:40] change. So, we are working on

[51:42] that as well.

[51:43] >> Can you tell me more about

[51:45] that?

[51:46] >> Well, I'll give you an

[51:47] example. Last year when we had

[51:48] the ice storm, the ice storm,

[51:51] the cost for the city was almost

[51:53] $1 million for the ice storm. We

[51:55] were able to collect from the --

[52:04] CCU

[52:11] so we are able to collect almost

[52:14] 600,000 from them. But the cost

[52:15] to the city was basically

[52:17] approximately $1 million.

[52:18] Therefore, we have to start

[52:20] planning about those unfortunate

[52:23] events, whether it's floods, ice

[52:27] storms. We never know what's

[52:28] going to happen. Just look at

[52:32] today, instead of snow, we had a

[52:34] lot of rain. So, we don't know

[52:37] what's going to happen. So

[52:39] therefore, we are starting to

[52:40] plan on those reserves,

[52:43] gradually.

[52:44] >> I think that is really wise

[52:45] especially that you are spending

[52:46] $1 million a year on

[52:48] refrigerated rink because we

[52:49] don't have old enough winters

[52:51] anymore. So, I'm interested to

[52:52] hear a lot more about how

[52:54] Pointe-Claire is going to work

[52:55] on its climate resiliency,

[52:57] especially with a big climate

[52:59] events that we are gonna be

[53:00] encountering in the future. And

[53:01] I want to know in what part of

[53:03] the budget would protection of

[53:06] green spaces fit in? Would it

[53:09] fit in two -- environmental

[53:13] health -- Est-ce que ce serait

[53:17] loisir? Est-ce que ce serait

[53:19] urbanisme?

[53:20] - Ça se passe à plusieurs

[53:21] endroits. Est-ce qu'on crée de

[53:23] nouveaux parcs graduellement? Si

[53:26] vous regardez, historiquement,

[53:27] depuis quelques années, on a

[53:28] créé le parc Tony prout, qui est

[53:31] un petit par créer produire

[53:34] développement Walton. Mais au

[53:36] fur et à mesure, les autres

[53:38] preneurs, lorsqu'il y a des

[53:40] développements, les autres

[53:41] preneurs doivent contribuer au

[53:42] fonds parc et terrain de jeu.

[53:45] Chaque année, ce fonds-là, de

[53:46] parcs et de terrains de jeu, est

[53:47] utilisée pour soit aménager des

[53:48] nouveaux parcs ou tout

[53:50] simplement rénovés les parcs ou

[53:52] les équipements de parc que l'on

[53:54] a. Donc, à chaque année, et

[53:56] comme tantôt si je vous disais,

[53:57] on est en train de planifier,

[54:00] mais on va espérer avoir une

[54:04] subvention, pour faire à la

[54:06] fameuse piste cyclable près de

[54:07] (---)

[54:08] . Au fur et à mesure, on a fait

[54:10] ou on tente de développer

[54:12] d'autres terrains, d'autres

[54:13] espaces verts un peu partout au

[54:16] sein de la ville.

[54:18] - Je pense que ce serait super

[54:19] intéressant, surtout avec

[54:22] l'équipe de vulnérabilité qui

[54:23] vient de sortir avec la ville,

[54:25] on sait qu'il y a des secteurs

[54:26] qui sont plus vulnérables que

[54:27] les autres ça va coûter vraiment

[54:29] cher à la Ville de coûter...

[54:31] contre ces effets-là.

[54:32] - Mais juste pour compléter, ça

[54:34] se passe, comme je vous dis,

[54:35] aussi... bon, il y avait Travaux

[54:37] publics, horticulture, flore et

[54:39] culture, sport et loisirs. Il

[54:40] avait Parcs, ainsi de suite.

[54:41] Mais ça, ce sont différents

[54:44] exemples. S'

[54:45] - Il y avait moyen de trouver

[54:46] des subventions aussi pour ces

[54:47] choses-là.

[54:48] - On travaille toujours très

[54:49] fort là-dessus.

[54:50] - Ce serait super intéressant à

[54:51] savoir s'il y a des avancements

[54:52] dans cette direction-là. -- Let

[54:55] me pick up on that just for a

[54:57] second. The public works is

[54:59] interesting the way we manage

[55:00] our shoreline. It's not being

[55:03] cut as much, it's been completed

[55:06] -- treated completely

[55:07] differently. You would use the

[55:08] heat of the water versus the

[55:11] shoreline, and we reduce the

[55:12] cutting. So there is less

[55:14] visibility. And so, we are

[55:15] getting some pushback on that.

[55:17] But environmentally, it's a

[55:18] sound one. And that is -- they

[55:21] have researched, and they did a

[55:22] really good job. And just along

[55:24] Drake, we are gonna have our own

[55:26] natural garden, if you want to

[55:28] say. We would like to go a

[55:29] little wilder and see if we can

[55:31] enhance that area. So public

[55:33] works have been doing their own

[55:34] thing in their own ways as well.

[55:35] It's kind of interesting.

[55:37] >> Certainly, we know more wild

[55:39] spaces and natural spaces.

[55:40] >> They're not all grass. Wild

[55:43] spaces should be grass.

[55:44] >> Grasses are not very great

[55:47] for heat island, they do

[55:48] nothing. I'm just curious about

[55:51] the GICs, what money are you

[55:52] investing in the GICs, and are

[55:53] you using the returns from the

[55:55] previous year to gauge the next

[55:57] year, or the year -- like, is

[56:00] it, the GICs is renewables every

[56:02] year, two years, or --

[56:04] >> Some of them are six months,

[56:06] some eight months, some ten

[56:08] months, it depends. Basically,

[56:10] what we do is that at the end of

[56:12] the year, when we have a

[56:15] surplus, we all look at the

[56:16] surplus to reserves. Those

[56:19] reserves will be huge eventually

[56:21] to reimburse the long term debt.

[56:23] But in the meantime, that money

[56:25] is invested in GICs, generating

[56:28] interest revenue.

[56:29] >> Okay, okay, I got it. Thank

[56:32] you very much.

[56:33] >> My pleasure.

[56:36] - C'est tout pour la période de

[56:38] questions. The end of the

[56:41] questioning period --

[56:43] >> I would have a question

[56:45] because I think that -- was

[56:51] misinformed. I was surprised by

[56:52] the 1 million dollar a year

[56:55] budget for ice rings. Can we ask

[56:57] the staff?

[56:59] >> I would love that. It would

[57:00] be great.

[57:01] >> Just to make sure that it

[57:03] does cost us 1 million.

[57:08] - Je vais juste être... >> --

[57:09] May I?

[57:11] >> Yes, absolutely. Monsieur

[57:12] Cousineau, le coût, suite au

[57:16] verglas de PAC l'année passée,

[57:18] ce qui est arrivé, c'est qu'il y

[57:19] a eu énormément d'arbres et de

[57:22] branches qui sont tombés. Donc,

[57:23] on a supporté énormément de

[57:25] coups. Les coûts pour ramasser

[57:32] toutes ces branches-là et

[57:34] ensuite l'entretien des arbres,

[57:35] c'est ce que la Ville a dû

[57:36] surpris... supporter comme coup.

[57:38] - Ma question portait sur la

[57:39] ferme nation, le commentaire de

[57:41] madame Lucien qui disait que les

[57:44] patinoires réfrigérées nous

[57:45] coûtait 1 million par année. Je

[57:48] ne sais pas combien ça coûte.

[57:49] - Excusez-moi, on ne parlait pas

[57:50] du même millions, de toute

[57:52] évidence.

[57:53] (rires)

[57:54] - Merci.

[57:55] (inaudible)

[57:56] À cause des changements

[57:57] climatiques, entre autres.

[58:00] - Désolé.

[58:01] - Non, c'est correct.

[58:04] - Pour répondre à la question,

[58:05] essentiellement, le coût de

[58:07] location pour chats patinoires

[58:08] extérieures réfléchirez est de

[58:11] 176000. Donc, autant pour Valois

[58:14] que celui dans RCA Le Village.

[58:16] - À chaque année, c'est 176000

[58:18] chaque? Ça fait combien d'années

[58:20] qu'elles sont là?

[58:21] - C'est la troisième année.

[58:23] - O.K., Parfait. Désolé, je

[58:25] m'excuse...

[58:26] - Non, non.

[58:27] - On arrive dans le million.

[58:31] - On arrive à échéance, oui.

[58:36] Site, can I just qualify that?

[58:38] >> Absolutely.

[58:39] >> But, Jen, you do have to know

[58:41] there's a cost with all the

[58:42] rings. Whether they're

[58:43] refrigerated or not.

[58:44] >> The refrigeration part is --

[58:46] >> Yes.

[58:47] >> Because we're no longer

[58:49] having --

[58:50] >> Unfortunately.

[59:25] 2024 budget of the City of

[59:29] Pointe-Claire.

[59:30] >> Do I have a move --

[59:31] >> Eric stark, district seven.

[59:33] >> All in favour? And, I guess

[59:38] it's closure? Foreclosure, do I

[59:41] have a mover?

[59:43] >> Proposed by Stainforth,

[59:45] district four.

[59:46] >> And seconded?

[59:48] >> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

[59:50] district six.

[59:51] >> All in favour? So I believe

[59:53] we move directly to the next --

[59:55] or we don't take a break? Okay.

[1:00:07] - Alors, adoption de l'ordre du

[1:00:08] jour. Un.1.

[1:00:12] >> For the adoption of the

[1:00:13] agenda, do I have a mover?

[1:00:17] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[1:00:19] >> Seconded?

[1:00:21] >> District to.

[1:00:22] >> On favour?

[1:00:30] Question period? - Période de

[1:00:31] questions.

[1:00:45] It has to be about the agenda

[1:00:46] we're speaking to.

[1:00:49] >> About the windmill? What

[1:00:53] exactly is going to be -- they

[1:00:55] decide already to go a hand? Or

[1:00:57] to argue about it?

[1:01:00] >> We are proposing a resolution

[1:01:04] to draft a bylaw they have the

[1:01:07] archdiocese apply for funding

[1:01:09] from the city. And initiate a

[1:01:13] process for the eventual

[1:01:14] reparation of the windmill, we

[1:01:17] hope.

[1:01:19] >> I don't understand exactly. A

[1:01:23] hand, or just negotiate?

[1:01:25] >> It's the beginning of a

[1:01:26] process. You're right. It's not

[1:01:28] a completed deal. It's the

[1:01:29] beginning of a funding process.

[1:01:31] >> Yeah, funding.

[1:01:32] >> That's being started.

[1:01:34] >> But they all agree about it?

[1:01:35] >> We'll see, we're about to

[1:01:37] vote on it. We're about to pass

[1:01:38] the resolution, I believe we

[1:01:39] vote on it next meeting.

[1:01:40] >> Okay, thank you.

[1:01:42] >> Thank you.

[1:01:46] - Cinq.1

[1:01:47] (---)

[1:01:48] décrétant l'imposition de la

[1:01:49] taxe foncière générale, les

[1:01:51] compensations pour mes tarifs

[1:01:53] services municipaux et les

[1:01:54] tarifs municipaux figé pour

[1:01:57] l'exercice financier 2024 suite

[1:01:58] à l'adoption du budget 2024, ce

[1:02:01] règlement a pour but d'établir

[1:02:02] la taxe foncière, qui est imposé

[1:02:05] sur tous les immeubles

[1:02:06] imposables, conformément à la

[1:02:07] Loi sur la fiscalité municipale.

[1:02:09] Et comme Monsieur le Maire la

[1:02:14] précisé en introduction, le

[1:02:15] règlement sur la taxation sera

[1:02:17] adoptée lors d'une séance

[1:02:19] spéciale ce mercredi à 19

[1:02:21] heures.

[1:02:23] >> So, 5.1. Who gives this

[1:02:26] notice a motion?

[1:02:29] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[1:02:31] district 3.

[1:02:33] >> 5.2. Filing of a draft bylaw

[1:02:35] concerning the creation of a

[1:02:37] financial assistance program for

[1:02:38] the protection and -- built

[1:02:40] cultural heritage, which is a

[1:02:42] Pointe-Claire windmill. For

[1:02:43] maximum amount of $967,761. This

[1:02:48] by law enables the City to

[1:02:49] provide financial assistance to

[1:02:50] the owner of a heritage building

[1:02:52] as permitted by the cultural

[1:02:54] heritage Act.

[1:02:56] >> So I have a mover?

[1:02:57] >> There's no mover.

[1:02:58] >> Excuse me, yes. Who files

[1:03:01] this draft?

[1:03:07] >> Cousineau, district one.

[1:03:11] 11.1,

[1:03:12] (---)

[1:03:13] entente avenir est Réseau

[1:03:14] métropolitain exo.

[1:03:15] (---)

[1:03:16] Délai de prescription. Il est

[1:03:17] donc dans l'intérêt des partis,

[1:03:18] donc de la ville de exo, de

[1:03:20] s'entendre pour une interruption

[1:03:21] du délai de prescription

[1:03:22] concernant toutes les sommes qui

[1:03:23] seraient dues entre elles ont

[1:03:26] relation avec les ententes pour

[1:03:27] le partage des responsabilités

[1:03:29] afférentes à l'entretien, aux

[1:03:31] travaux mineurs et aux travaux

[1:03:32] majeurs des trois gares couvrant

[1:03:33] la période du 1er janvier 2019

[1:03:36] au 31 mai 2023. L'interruption

[1:03:38] du délai de prescription sera en

[1:03:40] vigueur jusqu'au 31 mars 2024.

[1:03:46] >> Do I have a mover?

[1:03:50] >> Claude Cousineau, district 1.

[1:03:52] >> Executive

[1:03:54] >> Cowan, district 8.

[1:03:55] >> All in favour?

[1:03:59] >> Closure?

[1:04:00] >> Foreclosure, I have a mover?

[1:04:02] >> I propose closing the

[1:04:04] meeting. District 4.

[1:04:05] >> Seconded?

[1:04:08] >> District 6.

[1:04:09] >> On favour? Merci, tout le

[1:04:10] monde. Thanks, everybody.

2023-12-18 Conseil de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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