[0:00] - Bonjour, salut tout le monde.

[0:01] We will get start with Council

[0:03] remarks. Councillor Cowan?

[0:20] - J'aimerais signaler que Madame

[0:21] Lysandre Rh?aume et moi sommes

[0:23] all?s hier soir et un citoyen de

[0:26] mon district pour assister ? la

[0:28] r?union de la Commission

[0:30] scolaire Les lobbys Pearson

[0:32] pourrez pr?senter notre

[0:33] initiative de jardins

[0:35] communautaires et de zones de

[0:36] conservation de la for?t urbaine

[0:38] qui se situe ? la limite est du

[0:41] terrain scolaire

[0:42] (---)

[0:43] . Getting approval for this

[0:45] community-based project and

[0:47] dream has been a long process.

[0:48] It started, for me, about five

[0:51] years ago. And it is not over

[0:52] yet. That said, the board gave

[0:54] us, shall we say, a supportive

[0:56] response, and more importantly,

[0:58] a solid contact, which has been

[1:00] difficult to obtain, with whom

[1:02] to take the next step, which is

[1:04] already being done. Louisiana

[1:06] has already sent her detailed

[1:07] proposal to our new contact in

[1:08] the board administration. I do

[1:10] believe we are making progress,

[1:13] baby step by baby step. And

[1:15] that's it. Thank you.

[1:18] - Conseiller Cousineau? You're

[1:21] good? Okay. Councillor

[1:23] Stainforth? You're good?

[1:25] Monsieur Bissonnette? Mr. --

[1:28] Councillor Homan?

[1:29] >> No I'm fine, thank you.

[1:31] >> Councillor Tremblay?

[1:35] >> Something here, okay, good

[1:38] evening, everyone. So for

[1:42] residents living on brigadier,

[1:44] Brock, and perhaps elsewhere on

[1:46] district six, you may have

[1:48] received a newsletter from Tara

[1:50] Stainforth, by calling to my

[1:51] left in district for, due to a

[1:53] postal distribution slipup. Rest

[1:57] assured, there has not been a

[1:58] change in districts. I am still

[2:00] your Councillor. For those

[2:02] wishing to be included in any of

[2:03] my information, simply send me

[2:05] an email at Bruno dot Tremblay

[2:09] at Pointe-Claire hyphen

[2:12] Clair.ca. Pour les r?sidents des

[2:16] rubriques donner Brock et

[2:17] peut-?tre ailleurs dans le

[2:18] district six, vous avez

[2:19] peut-?tre re?u r?cemment un

[2:20] bulletin de terreur Stanford, ma

[2:22] coll?gue du district IV ? la

[2:24] suite d'une erreur de

[2:27] distribution postale.

[2:28] Rassurez-vous, il n'y a pas eu

[2:30] de changement de district, je

[2:32] suis toujours votre conseiller.

[2:34] Si vous souhaitez recevoir mon

[2:35] bulletin d'information par

[2:37] courrier ?lectronique, il vous

[2:38] suffit de m'envoyer un courriel

[2:41] ? mon adresse personnel.

[2:48] J'ai aussi ajout? ici, notez

[2:51] bien que les travaux pour le REM

[2:52] entra?neront une fermeture de

[2:54] l'avenue Fairview en direction

[2:55] sud entre le boulevard Brunswick

[2:57] et la voie de service. En

[3:00] direction ouest de l'autoroute

[3:01] 40, du sept au 9 mai. Donc

[3:03] d'aujourd'hui au neuf. Work on

[3:07] the REM project will result in

[3:08] the closure of Fairview Avenue

[3:10] southbound between Brunswick

[3:11] boulevard and the westbound

[3:12] service route from Highway 40,

[3:15] from May 7th tonight. And

[3:17] finally, just a reminder that I

[3:19] think my colleagues up here will

[3:20] also appreciate, that your first

[3:22] point of contact for any

[3:24] questions related to city

[3:26] services is 514 630-1200 or the

[3:31] City web page section. You can

[3:32] also call your councillor

[3:33] directly. I am sure that being

[3:35] said, don't hesitate to contact

[3:37] me if you need any help getting

[3:38] to the right service. Enfin, je

[3:42] vous rappelle que votre premier

[3:43] point de contact pour toute

[3:44] question relative aux services

[3:45] municipaux est le num?ro de

[3:49] t?l?phone ou la section contact

[3:50] de la page Web de la ville.

[3:52] Toutefois, n'h?sitez pas ? me

[3:53] contacter si vous avez besoin

[3:54] d'aide pour acc?der aux bons

[3:56] services. Merci.

[4:00] >> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen?

[4:01] >> Yes, I would just like to

[4:04] make an announcement for an

[4:06] upcoming event in support of the

[4:09] West Island citizens advocacy.

[4:11] They are normally a Valois

[4:13] community resident. They are

[4:15] currently in Eric's district for

[4:17] the moment. But they are having

[4:19] their annual garden tour coming

[4:20] up on June 1st, just reminding

[4:22] any of those interested in

[4:25] gardening, funds go to support

[4:27] West Island citizens advocacy.

[4:30] So we love to support our

[4:31] community organizations that

[4:32] really build what our

[4:34] communities are made of. Thank

[4:36] you.

[4:37] >> Councillor Stork?

[4:40] >> Just a couple of things here,

[4:42] just a reminder to Northview

[4:44] citizens that Winthrop is being

[4:46] re-done. It's going to be a big

[4:48] project from Hymus all the way

[4:49] to Jubilee Square. It will also

[4:52] be the first time I think in

[4:54] Pointe-Claire that we will have

[4:55] a raised sign on, at the corner

[4:57] of -- and Winthrop. Some

[5:00] citizens concerned this will

[5:01] happen after the project on Del

[5:03] Mar, because actually Gilmour is

[5:05] closed, so they're being

[5:06] reverted to Winthrop, so that's

[5:08] two separate projects so there

[5:09] won't be any interference there.

[5:11] As well, the tennis court at

[5:13] Northview will be redone,

[5:15] repaved, resurfaced, and we'll

[5:17] be adding Pickleball lines in

[5:18] Pickleball courts to adjust to

[5:21] the Pickleball craze that is

[5:22] going on across North America.

[5:24] And lastly but not least, it's

[5:26] just a small little detail,

[5:29] C'est int?ressant. ?a fait deux,

[5:31] trois mois que

[5:35] (---)

[5:36] The electrical lights were burnt

[5:37] out, but they are finally

[5:39] working again. Not a big thing,

[5:41] but you know, safety and

[5:42] security is important to all of

[5:43] us. Thank you, Mister Mayor.

[5:45] - Merci ? tous mes conseillers.

[5:49] Thanks to all the councillors.

[5:51] Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs et

[5:52] bienvenu ? cette s?ance

[5:53] ordinaire du 07 mai 2024. Good

[5:55] evening ladies and gentlemen,

[5:56] welcome to this May 7th council

[5:58] meeting.

[6:05] Ce soir l'?quipe des finances

[6:06] d?pose le rapport financier 2023

[6:07] qui sera publi? sur le site Web

[6:10] demain. Voici les faits

[6:13] saillants de ce rapport. The

[6:18] year ended with a surplus of $24

[6:22] million. This is good news. This

[6:25] is largely due to $14.4 million

[6:26] in transfer duties, building

[6:28] permits, tax revenues and

[6:30] interest income. In terms of

[6:33] spending during 2023, our teams

[6:35] continued to prioritize the

[6:36] quality of services for the

[6:38] benefit of our entire community,

[6:41] as well as the efficiency and

[6:44] effectiveness of our day-to-day

[6:45] operations. Responsible resource

[6:48] management generated savings of

[6:50] $9.6?million. The City has

[6:53] invested steadily in the

[6:56] reconstruction and maintenance

[6:57] of municipal infrastructure to

[6:59] ensure that streets, sidewalks

[7:00] and utilities will remain in

[7:01] good condition for the next 50

[7:02] years. La majeure partie de

[7:09] l'exc?dent sera utilis?e pour

[7:12] refinancer et rembourser la

[7:13] dette ? long terme. Une

[7:19] partie servira ?galement ?

[7:23] poursuivre la modernisation de

[7:24] nos b?timents municipaux. En

[7:26] outre, la ville poursuivra ses

[7:30] efforts pour lutter contre

[7:32] l'agrile du fr?ne et son impact

[7:33] sur la canop?e urbaine,

[7:36] notamment en offrant des

[7:37] subventions aux citoyens. The

[7:40] report highlights that in order

[7:42] to maintain a service quality

[7:44] for regular operations, several

[7:47] projects have been carried out,

[7:49] including: Progress on the

[7:51] Public Works building expansion

[7:52] project; which we've all seen if

[7:54] you've driven along --, Road and

[7:57] infrastructure work on several

[8:00] avenues, Paving several street

[8:01] sections and repairing numerous

[8:02] sidewalks; Trail development and

[8:04] greening work; Improvement work

[8:07] in several parks: Efforts to

[8:11] counter the emerald ash borer,

[8:16] Information technology projects,

[8:18] and many others. On April 20, a

[8:20] home was burglarized on

[8:24] Lakeshore - Robert the occupants

[8:25] were away on vacation. The thief

[8:30] entered the house through the

[8:31] back door onto the patio,

[8:32] breaking the door's window. The

[8:33] owners followed the incident on

[8:34] camera and on the phone with

[8:37] police, public security, and

[8:40] Pointe-Claire volunteer rescue

[8:41] unit officials. After the

[8:44] incident, the security team

[8:45] replaced the broken glass with

[8:46] plywood, while minimizing the

[8:48] damage to the door. Without

[8:50] their excellent work in securing

[8:51] the door, the residence was

[8:53] potentially exposed to further

[8:54] damage from another intruder,

[8:56] animals or rain. We received a

[9:01] Thank You email from the owners

[9:03] of the house, who wanted to

[9:04] express express their

[9:05] appreciation for. For Tyler

[9:07] Tschunitz, Public Safety

[9:08] Inspector, Graeme Maag and Ryan

[9:09] McDonald from Pointe Claire

[9:13] Rescue. They concluded by saying

[9:14] that Pointe Claire residents are

[9:15] very fortunate to have these

[9:16] services. And I couldn't agree

[9:20] more. Bravo to all those

[9:21] involved.

[9:28] Conseil jeunesse Lors d'une

[9:29] s?ance extraordinaire tenue ? la

[9:30] salle du conseil de l'h?tel de

[9:31] ville, le lundi 15 avril, douze

[9:32] jeunes du primaire ont particip?

[9:33] au conseil jeunesse en

[9:34] pr?sentant trois projets

[9:35] cr?atifs pour notre ville. Les

[9:38] ?l?ves de l'?cole primaire

[9:40] Clearpoint ont occup? les postes

[9:42] de maire, de conseillers, de

[9:47] directeur g?n?ral et urbaniste

[9:48] et de greffier municipal. C'est

[9:51] toujours tr?s int?ressant de

[9:52] voir ces jeunes ? l'oeuvre, je

[9:55] vous invite ? aller sur notre

[9:56] site Web pour regarder la s?ance

[9:58] qui a ?t? enregistr?e pour voir

[10:01] nos jeunes en action. Ces jeunes

[10:05] filles et jeunes gar?ons ont

[10:06] effectu? un travail remarquable.

[10:10] Merci aux professeurs qui les

[10:11] ont accompagn?s tout au long de

[10:13] cette activit?. We have a busy

[10:19] month, we have an exhibit called

[10:25] La Biennale d'art contemporain

[10:29] autochthone called BACA, that

[10:30] started on April 27 and goes

[10:31] until June 23 at The Stewart

[10:32] Hall

[10:39] gallery. Notre prochain

[10:40] ?cocentre sera le 11 mai entre 9

[10:41] et 16 heures, il y aura du

[10:42] compost, des copeaux de bois et

[10:43] le service de d?chiquetage de

[10:44] papier. It is a major visual

[10:45] arts event featuring the work of

[10:46] some sixty artists from many

[10:47] nations.

[10:55] Our next Ecocentre will be on

[10:58] May 11 between 9 and 4. There

[10:59] will be compost and wood chips

[11:01] and paper shredding services. De

[11:04] retour cette ann?e c'est la

[11:05] journ?e des travaux publics, le

[11:07] samedi 25 mai, de 9 h ? 13 h,

[11:09] dans le stationnement du parc

[11:14] naturel Terra-Cotta, au 50,

[11:17] avenue Terra-Cotta.??C'est une

[11:18] belle journ?e familiale qui

[11:20] permet de rencontrer nos

[11:22] experts, de monter ? bord de

[11:24] camions, d'excavatrices et

[11:26] d'autres v?hicules utilis?s pour

[11:27] les travaux publics.? Il y a des

[11:29] Ateliers de bricolage,

[11:31] structures gonflables,

[11:32] maquillage et jeux garantiront

[11:36] divertissement et joie.?Et

[11:41] apportent unit?s d'emploi si

[11:42] vous apportez votre CV. Journey

[11:46] into the imaginary is the theme

[11:48] of our 2024 Cultural rendez-vous

[11:51] that is taking place on Sunday

[11:53] May 27

[11:59] between 10 am and 5pm at Stewart

[12:00] Park. We invite you to come and

[12:02] celebrate the mix of the arts

[12:05] and the imaginary. It is a fun

[12:06] day of family activities in an

[12:07] enchanting setting. Nous avons

[12:16] la collecte de sang du maire le

[12:18] mardi 28 mai ? partir de 10

[12:20] heures jusqu'? 20 heures au

[12:21] centre nautiques B de Valois. We

[12:28] have our annual mayors Blood

[12:29] clinic at the Baie de Valois

[12:30] nautical center on Tuesday, May

[12:31] 30 from 10 a.m. To 8 p.m. Cette

[12:35] semaine nous avons d?but?

[12:37] l'horaire d'?t? donc nos

[12:38] services administratifs sont

[12:39] ouvert du lundi au jeudi entre

[12:40] 8h et 16h30 et le vendredi de 8h

[12:44] ? midi This week we started our

[12:47] summer schedule, so our

[12:48] administrative services are open

[12:50] Monday to Thursday from 8am to

[12:52] 4: 30pm, and Friday from 8am to

[12:56] noon. Thank you for your

[12:59] attention.

[13:01] Merci beaucoup. Madame Thibault?

[13:07] - Alors 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre

[13:09] du jour. 1.1, adoption of the

[13:11] agenda, with one change, the

[13:12] withdrawal of 6.6..

[13:16] Donc l'adoption de l'ordre du

[13:17] jour avec le retrait du point

[13:21] 6.6.

[13:22] >> Do I have a mover?

[13:28] >> There are Stainforth,

[13:29] district four.

[13:30] >> And seconder?

[13:32] >> Eric Stork, district four.

[13:34] >> All in favour?

[13:37] - 3.1 Approuver le proc?s-verbal

[13:38] de la s?ance ordinaire du 2

[13:39] avril 2024, ainsi que les

[13:40] proc?sverbaux des s?ances

[13:42] extraordinaires du 9 avril et du

[13:43] 16 avril 2024.

[13:51] Eric Stork, district seven. Bon,

[13:54] p?riode de questions. Excusez.

[13:57] All in favour?

[13:58] >> Thank you. P?riode de

[14:01] questions. Question period. Pour

[14:03] la p?riode de questions, ce soir

[14:05] ? la p?riode de questions, vous

[14:06] avez ?t? accueilli ? l'entr?e

[14:09] pour vous inscrire ? la p?riode

[14:10] des questions. L'intention de

[14:12] cette d?marche est d'abord de

[14:14] permettre aux personnes de

[14:15] demeurer assise jusqu'? l'appel

[14:17] de leurs noms. Et d'accorder la

[14:20] priorit? aux r?sidents et

[14:22] r?sidentes de Pointe-Claire.

[14:26] Nous garderons 90 minutes pour

[14:27] la p?riode de questions, deux,

[14:30] une personne ? la fois au micro.

[14:33] Nous vous remercions d'attendre

[14:36] qu'un citoyen ait termin? de

[14:37] poser sa question et que vous

[14:39] soyez appel?s avant de vous

[14:40] lever pour venir poser votre

[14:42] question. Trois, les

[14:45] non-r?sidents pr?sents pourront

[14:46] poser leurs questions par la

[14:48] suite si le temps n'est pas

[14:51] ?coul?.,,.

[15:05] . We should stick to the 90

[15:08] limit time limit for question

[15:11] period. One person at a time of

[15:12] the microphone. Thank you

[15:13] waiting for a system to finish

[15:15] asking their question and be

[15:16] called before you get up to ask

[15:18] yours. And finally, nonresidents

[15:20] present will be able to ask

[15:21] questions afterward if there is

[15:23] still time. And we will begin

[15:26] with Jean-Francois mazy.

[15:28] Jean-Fran?ois Messier.

[15:37] - Je suis habitu? ? toutes les

[15:39] variations. Mon nom est

[15:41] Jean-Fran?ois Mercier de

[15:42] Portland. Je fais partie du 20%

[15:45] des citoyens de Pointe-Claire

[15:46] qui n'ont pas d'auto. Donc j'ai

[15:47] lu vos rapports d'urbanisme. Il

[15:50] y a quelques ann?es, j'ai obtenu

[15:53] une copie de rapports de Steer

[15:58] communications qui a ?t? fait

[15:59] pour la ville de Oakville en

[16:00] Ontario, qui est tr?s similaire

[16:01] ? Pointe-Claire. Et ce

[16:03] rapport-l? n'?tait pas politique

[16:05] et a clairement donn? le message

[16:07] que la Ville n'a pas le choix,

[16:09] elle ne peut pas augmenter sa

[16:11] population, elle ne peut pas

[16:12] densifier, ? moins de faire ce

[16:14] qu'on appelle un changement au

[16:18] transport public et v?lo. Je

[16:21] l'oublie, je suis un cycliste,

[16:22] j'avais oubli? ?a. V?lo et

[16:25] pi?tonniers ?ge. Parce que toute

[16:28] augmentation de population dans

[16:30] l'environnement routier actuel

[16:31] de la ville r?sulte en trop de

[16:34] trafic, trop de congestion, trop

[16:35] de bruit et une diminution de la

[16:37] qualit? de vie, ces villes-l?,

[16:39] comme Pointe-Claire, ont ?t?

[16:41] faites bas?s sur les autos dans

[16:42] les ann?es 50 et 60 et la ville

[16:46] de Oakville doit repenser non

[16:48] seulement juste dire qu'on doit

[16:50] faire un changement et amener le

[16:51] monde en transport en commun,

[16:52] mais la ville elle-m?me doit

[16:56] prendre un leadership pour

[16:58] convaincre le monde de faire ces

[16:59] changements-l? et accepter. J'ai

[17:01] assist? ? l'une des r?unions de

[17:02] la Ville de Pointe-Claire sur

[17:03] l'urbanisme j'ai constat?

[17:05] comment le monde r?siste ? ces

[17:08] changements-l? et ?a prend un

[17:11] leadership et sur cette

[17:14] question-l?, le leadership doit

[17:15] venir de la ville et ?a, ?a veut

[17:17] dire que le maire doit avoir le

[17:18] support de ses conseillers pour

[17:19] essayer de convaincre la

[17:20] population de faire ces

[17:21] changements-l?. On est plus dans

[17:23] les ann?es 50, on ne peut pas

[17:25] continuer de prendre son auto

[17:27] pour tout faire. Et ce sont de

[17:31] grands changements pour une

[17:32] ville comme Pointe-Claire, parce

[17:33] que le design des rues et

[17:34] difficile ? changer, mais c'est

[17:36] un changement qui doit ?tre fait

[17:38] et l? je n'ai m?me pas amen? le

[17:40] changement climatique qui nous

[17:41] pose aussi d'autres probl?mes.

[17:43] Et dans ce point de vue-l? et

[17:45] maintenant je veux arriver aux

[17:47] ?lections aux derni?res

[17:48] ?lections j'ai vot? pour ce

[17:49] maire-l?, parce que les maires

[17:54] avaient des formes sur le site

[17:55] Web on pouvez voir et qui puisse

[17:57] choisir le maire qui ?tait le

[17:58] plus compatible avec mes

[17:59] pens?es, mais les conseillers,

[18:00] on vote al?atoirement, parce

[18:04] qu'on ne conna?t pas la

[18:05] plate-forme et sur ce, me

[18:06] suggestion ? la Ville, c'est que

[18:08] la ville est un site Web

[18:10] officiel avec tous ces candidats

[18:11] et chaque candidat est sa

[18:14] plate-forme pour que quand on

[18:15] choisit un maire, on peut

[18:16] choisir un conseiller qui va

[18:17] ?tre compatible et pr?t ?

[18:20] travailler avec 1 m?tre et vice

[18:22] versa. Sam, c'est ma premi?re

[18:24] question. On me dit que je peux

[18:25] en avoir trois, j'en ai deux. La

[18:27] deuxi?me, c'est plus un

[18:28] commentaire. ?tant donn? que je

[18:31] suis d?pendant sur le transport

[18:32] en commun, je fais partie du 8%,

[18:34] j'ai particip? ? certaines

[18:36] consultations de la STM sur la

[18:38] r?forme des b?ches dans le West

[18:40] Island et aussi une pr?sentation

[18:43] de l'ARTM sur son projet de

[18:45] tramway ? Dorval et Lachine. Et

[18:48] d'un point important, la STM

[18:51] refuse d'utiliser des petits

[18:53] autobus dans les zones moins

[18:54] peupl?es. Parce que ce n'est pas

[18:56] compatible avec sa flotte. Et je

[18:58] pense que pour desservir le

[18:59] monde ? Pointe-Claire, pour

[19:00] rendre le transport public plus

[19:03] accessible et une option pour

[19:04] aller magasiner, des petits buts

[19:07] serait beaucoup plus tol?r? sur

[19:09] les rues r?sidentielles pour

[19:10] aller chercher le monde que des

[19:11] gros autobus de la STM. Alors je

[19:14] comprends les deux probl?mes, je

[19:15] vous pose le feed-back que j'ai

[19:18] re?ue de la STM qui, je pense,

[19:21] va un peu ? l'encontre d'un

[19:23] projet d'augmenter le changement

[19:27] mod?liste pour le transport en

[19:28] commun de Pointe-Claire.

[19:30] Deuxi?mement, pour l'ARTM, nos

[19:31] trains de banlieue du CP. Moi,

[19:36] j'ai v?cu l'int?gration en 81.

[19:38] Je faisais partie du groupe pour

[19:42] sauver les trains de West

[19:43] Island. Et j'ai vu comment les

[19:44] horaires n'ont pas chang?

[19:45] depuis. Malgr?, essentiellement,

[19:50] la capacit? de, surtout que le

[19:52] CP a voulu quitter le Qu?bec,

[19:56] l'ARTM, quand je leur ai parl?

[19:58] personnellement,

[19:59] essentiellement, le monde m'a

[20:00] dit qu'ils sont int?ress?s juste

[20:01] ? des projets structurants. Et

[20:04] d?finit un projet structurant en

[20:05] quelque chose qui d?filer et qui

[20:06] me d?raille avec un service ?

[20:07] tous les cinq minutes. Tout ce

[20:09] qui est en bas de ?a, ils ne

[20:11] sont pas int?ress?s. Qui met des

[20:13] rails, plut?t. Moi je vous pose

[20:15] ce challenge-l?, c'est surtout

[20:16] avec ce qui se passe avec le

[20:17] transport en commun, c'est

[20:19] d'aller voir le gouvernement et

[20:20] de dire: ?coutez, les trains de

[20:21] banlieue, nous autres, dans le

[20:22] West Island, ?a ne co?terait pas

[20:24] grand-chose d'augmenter la

[20:25] fr?quence. C'est juste n?gocier

[20:27] avec le CP, surtout que le CP

[20:29] ont de moins en moins de trains

[20:30] au Qu?bec. N?gocier avec l? CP

[20:32] pour avoir une plus grande

[20:33] fr?quence et, s'il vous pla?t,

[20:34] faites-le, au lieu d'attendre

[20:35] que ce soit un projet

[20:36] structurant ? 50 milliards de

[20:37] dollars. Voil?, ce sont mes deux

[20:39] points que j'avais ? dire.

[20:41] (rires)

[20:42] - Ce sont de bon point,

[20:43] Monsieur, merci beaucoup. Le

[20:45] dilemme, c'est toujours le

[20:47] dilemme ? Pointe-Claire, l'ouest

[20:48] de l'?le, on a la 20 et la 40

[20:52] Est et Ouest c'est facile, mais

[20:54] nord sud au sud nord, c'est

[20:56] l'enfer pour mes enfants comme

[20:58] aller ? l'?cole et prendre

[21:00] l'autobus. ?a prend toujours

[21:02] beaucoup de temps, m?me si on

[21:04] ?tait dans le district un

[21:05] appoint clair Sud, pour aller ?

[21:09] Lindsay, mon fils est rest? 25

[21:10] minutes. When it was Lyndsay

[21:13] Parce que le transfert et tout

[21:14] pour aller ? Fairview. Ce n'est

[21:17] pas logique, ?a. ?a, c'est l'un

[21:19] des probl?mes. Dans l'ouest de

[21:20] l'?le, c'est toujours un

[21:22] probl?me, le transport en

[21:24] commun, moi, j'?tais ?

[21:26] Notre-Dame-de-Gr?ce, j'?tais

[21:27] capable de prendre quatre ou

[21:28] cinq autobus juste ? un bloc de

[21:30] moi et je pouvais aller au

[21:32] centre-ville, C?te-Saint-Luc,

[21:33] n'importe o?, alors c'est pas

[21:36] mal frustrant, on a parl?

[21:38] souvent de ?a avec la STM et

[21:40] maintenant, je suis en train de

[21:41] parler avec

[21:43] (---)

[21:44] et Mich?le Gibson, on fait les

[21:45] m?mes arguments que vous nous

[21:46] avez pos?, on n'a pas

[21:50] l'infrastructure et on n'a pas

[21:51] le transport en commun pour une

[21:53] augmentation de population qui

[21:55] voudraient, c'est ?vident, alors

[21:59] c'est frustrant pour nous aussi.

[22:03] Les routes d'autobus sont tr?s

[22:04] int?ressantes aussi, mais je

[22:05] pense qu'elles ne sont pas si

[22:07] pire, l'un des probl?mes

[22:09] maintenant c'est qu'il n'y a pas

[22:10] beaucoup de monde qui prend le

[22:12] bus. Depuis la COVID COVID

[22:15] wrecked the regular transport

[22:17] usage. On a vu les autobus vides

[22:19] partout durant la COVID et apr?s

[22:21] aussi. Mais c'est pas bon quand

[22:25] m?me. C'est un grand probl?me.

[22:28] L'autre chose qui me frustre,

[22:33] ils ont fabriqu? le REM trop

[22:34] bas. On voudrait faire un viaduc

[22:40] mais ont demand? au REM avant

[22:41] qu'ils aient fabriqu? de faire

[22:44] ?a ? la bonne hauteur, faire la

[22:45] bonne chose, mais non trop cher.

[22:50] Alors pour continuer l'extension

[22:53] de Jacques bizarre, il faut

[22:54] aller en dessous du REM. Alors

[22:56] ?a co?te aussi. Donc je

[22:58] comprends bien ce que vous avez

[22:59] dit. I agree with everything you

[23:03] said. If you have an interesting

[23:04] thing -- Il y avait une partie

[23:05] int?ressante avec les

[23:06] conseillers avec le maire. La

[23:08] m?me position. Oui, je suis

[23:10] compl?tement d'accord. Il faut

[23:12] comprendre exactement la

[23:13] position politique de toutes les

[23:14] personnes. Tous les candidats.

[23:18] Et c'est pr?f?rable pour le

[23:20] syst?me ici, pour le syst?me

[23:22] municipal, c'est beaucoup mieux

[23:23] si on fait ?a. Si on faisait ?a.

[23:25] Absolument. Est-ce que ?a r?pond

[23:27] ? vos questions? Il y avait une

[23:29] deuxi?me?

[23:31] (inaudible)

[23:54] - Prenez le micro. Ce sont des

[23:56] bons points, oui, oui, s'il vous

[23:58] pla?t.

[23:59] - Excusez. Le deuxi?me point,

[24:01] c'est plus un feed-back que je

[24:02] vous faisais. De qu'est-ce que

[24:04] moi j'ai per?u des r?unions qui

[24:09] sont essentiellement des

[24:11] attitudes et de l'ARTM et de la

[24:14] STM. Et je pourrais parler de

[24:15] Hexo aussi. O? ils n'ont pas

[24:18] cette ambition d'am?liorer les

[24:19] services, ils sont juste

[24:20] int?ress?s ? impressionner

[24:21] madame Guilbault, la ministre,

[24:22] avec des grands projets de

[24:23] multi-milliards de dollars. Et

[24:26] je pense qu'? Pointe-Claire,

[24:28] bon, on peut dire qu'on devrait

[24:30] devenir Amsterdam demain en

[24:33] bloquant tous les rues etc.,

[24:34] Mais ?a va ?tre quelque chose

[24:35] qui va ?tre petit ? petit et je

[24:38] pense que si vous avez un

[24:39] succ?s, ces portions de ville

[24:43] par portion de ville, le village

[24:44] de plein Pointe-Claire, Valois,

[24:46] moi j'habite ? parc a ?t? donc

[24:48] j'ai le centre d'achats et le

[24:49] m?tro, moi je peux marcher ou

[24:51] prendre mon v?lo facilement pour

[24:52] aller magasiner et c'est pour ?a

[24:54] que j'habite l? et que j'ai mon

[24:56] auto. Parce que si j'habitais

[24:58] ailleurs, j'aurais une auto. Il

[25:01] y a des ?les ? point de Clark

[25:03] d?faire le Que vous devriez

[25:08] commencer par ?a. Je pense que

[25:10] c'est vraiment y aller ?tape par

[25:11] ?tape. Mais pour ?a, ?tant donn?

[25:13] que c'est ?tape par ?tape au

[25:14] lieu d'un grand projet grandiose

[25:15] de 55 milliards de dollars, bien

[25:17] l?, il faut convaincre ARTM, STM

[25:20] etc. De faire des am?liorations

[25:23] incr?mental aussi. Et c'est sur

[25:25] ?a, c'est pour ?a que je

[25:27] voulais...

[25:29] - On est compl?tement d'accord.

[25:31] Monsieur Tremblay qui a toujours

[25:33] son casque de v?lo avec lui. Il

[25:35] est d'accord aussi. Merci

[25:37] beaucoup, Monsieur.

[25:38] - Et je tiens, Monsieur, ? vous

[25:39] f?liciter pour vos propos tr?s

[25:41] positifs. C'est un sujet qui est

[25:42] extr?mement important. Et plus

[25:47] f?licitations encore, vous ?tes

[25:48] membre du 8%. ?a, je n'ai pas,

[25:51] je ne savais pas que ?a

[25:52] existait. Alors f?licitations.

[25:54] Mais comment vous faites pour

[25:55] calculer le 8%?

[25:57] (inaudible)

[26:00] - Que c'est 8%? Je vais poser la

[26:03] question ? l'interne. Merci.

[26:04] (rires)

[26:05] C'est bon.

[26:06] - Merci, Monsieur. Juste une

[26:08] autre petite observation. Ils

[26:12] sont en train de refaire le pont

[26:13] de l'?le aux tourtereaux. They

[26:17] almost didn't have a bike path

[26:18] and a bus lane. And she was

[26:22] ready to pull her hair out

[26:25] C'?tait comme les un et 60. Le

[26:26] projet au d?but, c'?tait comme

[26:27] les ann?es 60. C'?tait

[26:29] incroyable. Il voulait faire

[26:30] quelque chose comme ?a. Ce

[26:31] n'?tait pas comme ?a pour le

[26:32] pont Champlain. Mais sur l'?le

[26:34] aux tourtes, dans l'ouest de

[26:36] l'?le, on ne sait jamais. It's

[26:39] very interesting to see. There

[26:40] is a double standard, I must

[26:43] admit. Pour moi, c'est ?vident.

[26:47] Absolutely, Paul.

[26:49] - Merci beaucoup pour le

[26:50] commentaire, c'est tr?s

[26:51] int?ressant. J'ai juste deux

[26:52] points que j'aimerais apporter.

[26:54] N'oubliez pas pr?sentement que

[26:55] la ministre Guilbeault a

[26:56] rencontr? les maires des villes

[26:57] hier. Pour parler du d?ficit, il

[27:01] parlait de 2,5 milliards pour

[27:03] les cinq prochaines ann?es. Donc

[27:06] elle, suppos?ment l?, elle va

[27:07] essayer de savoir ce qui se

[27:08] passe, qu'est-ce que c'est

[27:09] r?ellement. Alors ce serait une

[27:11] chose, ?a va ?tre int?ressant ?,

[27:13] suivre ?a. Mais juste de vous

[27:14] faire part d'un commentaire, je

[27:17] n'ai aucune connaissance, mais

[27:20] un commentaire que j'ai d?j? eu,

[27:22] et j'en ai d?j? parl?. Et avec

[27:25] des gens de la STM, et eux

[27:26] autres disent que le fait de

[27:29] m?langer des autobus de, je ne

[27:32] sais pas, 60 personnes, avec des

[27:34] minibus, l'?quipement pour

[27:35] travailler dessus n'est pas le

[27:36] m?me dans le garage. Les pi?ces

[27:38] ne sont pas les m?mes. Ils

[27:39] disent que pour le peu que ?a

[27:41] co?te, parce que ?a prend un

[27:42] chauffeur quand m?me, que ce

[27:46] soit, que ?a ne vous r?ellement

[27:47] pas la peine, la diff?rence

[27:49] qu'il y a essay? de m?langer cet

[27:51] ?quipement-l? avec toutes les

[27:53] diff?rences qu'ils ont. ?a,

[27:54] c'est juste une observation que

[27:55] je vous fais part. Une autre

[27:57] chose. I'd just like to mention

[27:59] to that, that's exactly why we

[28:01] don't have the population of

[28:03] Chicago or New York during the

[28:05] day. I see the trains on the 20.

[28:07] At rush hour, they are full. But

[28:09] the rest of the day, there are

[28:12] just no people, whether they are

[28:13] on it at 10:00 or 10:30 or 11,

[28:16] there's practically nobody. It's

[28:18] always at peak time we don't

[28:19] have the volume. And that's

[28:21] exactly why the provincial

[28:22] government is now asking us to

[28:24] build communities. It's not like

[28:29] Dorval and the plaza were built,

[28:31] where you had a shopping centre

[28:33] with the style we had. And I

[28:35] remember, there was a great

[28:36] innovation at the time, all the

[28:38] stores in one place. But that

[28:40] model doesn't work today. And

[28:42] what they are trying to do to

[28:43] try to compensate for -- get

[28:47] cars off the road, and that is

[28:48] to build a community. A

[28:50] community means commercial on

[28:52] the ground floor with

[28:55] residential, it could be some

[28:56] condos, it could be apartments,

[28:58] they could have a clinic, they

[29:00] can have different office space

[29:01] so you don't have to travel to

[29:03] get to your office. That's the

[29:05] concept today, community, that's

[29:07] what they're trying to build.

[29:08] They are doing that in Lachine

[29:10] from where Scannell used to be

[29:11] on the lakeshore on St. Joseph

[29:13] up to the highway. That is what

[29:15] they are trying to do. And all

[29:18] redevelopment, not development,

[29:19] it's green development of

[29:22] massive land sites. Vaudreuil is

[29:27] developing, we are redeveloping,

[29:29] because of the change in it.

[29:33] Merci beaucoup d'?tre venus et

[29:34] merci pour les commentaires.

[29:35] It's all a question of height.

[29:37] Sandra Mackay.

[29:41] >> This isn't for my height.

[29:43] Before I get started, I just

[29:45] wanted to thank all of you for

[29:47] the work that you do. I know

[29:50] that you have the interests of

[29:52] the citizens of Pointe-Claire in

[29:55] your heart, and a lot of what

[29:57] you do is, I want to say,

[29:59] thankless. I kind of say you are

[30:01] unsung heroes, so thank you very

[30:03] much for the work that you do. I

[30:04] am here this evening to ask for

[30:06] your help on a problem though

[30:07] that needs heroes, climate

[30:10] change. It affects all of us. We

[30:13] are seeing it more and, more

[30:15] extreme weather events, we are

[30:16] seeing power outages more

[30:20] frequently, more extreme storms,

[30:22] flooding bum, forest fires,

[30:25] which is affecting the quality

[30:26] of the air, and then water and

[30:29] food security are going to be

[30:31] sort of the next pillar. So from

[30:34] what I have read, there is two

[30:36] main things we need to do. One,

[30:38] is stop burning fossil fuels, so

[30:40] drive fewer cars, like this

[30:42] gentleman said, which I think is

[30:43] fantastic, have more

[30:45] infrastructure and to -- in

[30:47] terms of public transit, you

[30:48] have more frequent transit,

[30:51] people will use it more often

[30:52] and then you will have more

[30:54] ridership. So I think having

[30:56] better frequency. I try to go up

[30:58] St. John's by bus and you missed

[31:00] the bus, you're waiting 40

[31:01] minutes in the winter. It's very

[31:03] long. Anyhow, the other thing of

[31:05] course is protection of forests

[31:08] and increasing expanding

[31:10] forests. Trees, especially

[31:13] centuries old trees, absorb much

[31:15] more CO2 than new trees. So it's

[31:18] kind of the basics of climate

[31:19] change, right? So that's why we

[31:22] need to protect the forests that

[31:24] we have. I agree that we need to

[31:25] build a housing for citizens. I

[31:27] think everybody is on the same

[31:29] page. People need places to

[31:31] live. But does densification

[31:33] have to mean destruction? Can we

[31:35] not have a win-win situation or

[31:37] rebuild on existing concrete

[31:40] spaces and save green spaces? In

[31:42] fact, the PMAD indicates that we

[31:45] need to save 30% of our land for

[31:48] force and green spaces. They

[31:49] talk about densification, but

[31:51] the thing I don't hear people

[31:53] talking about is the protection

[31:54] of green spaces and they needed.

[31:57] As human beings, they are part

[31:58] of nature. We need these green

[32:01] spaces. Doctors are prescribing

[32:03] park therapy where they send

[32:05] people off to a path to go into

[32:07] the woods. It's good for us. We

[32:10] forget we're part of nature

[32:12] because we are in our offices

[32:13] and all that stuff. So my

[32:15] question to all of you tonight,

[32:16] and it's maybe a pie in the sky

[32:19] Pollyanna kind of question, but

[32:20] that's a kind of girl that I am.

[32:22] I would love it if all of you

[32:23] could work together to help turn

[32:25] Fairview forest into a park for

[32:27] citizens to enjoy. I know it's a

[32:29] difficult challenge. I know we

[32:31] need money, we need a lot of

[32:34] things. But you are problem

[32:36] solvers. That's what you are

[32:37] good at. And you are smart

[32:38] people, and I think if you work

[32:40] together and use resources like

[32:42] the government of Qu?bec, the

[32:45] City of Montr?al, the CMM. They

[32:47] want to help us. They want to

[32:50] protect green spaces. And for

[32:53] our well-being of the future, we

[32:55] really need to do that. We could

[32:57] reach out also to Cadillac

[32:59] Fairview and say Cadillac

[33:00] Fairview, would you, you know,

[33:02] be willing to, you know, have

[33:04] this turned into a park in your

[33:06] name? It would be good

[33:07] advertising. They be a good

[33:09] corporate citizen, and we can

[33:10] build across the street at the

[33:11] mall, make the top of them all

[33:14] be apartments. I think there's

[33:16] lots of solutions. And you know,

[33:17] I think the citizens of

[33:19] Pointe-Claire love the green

[33:20] spaces, the tree canopy that we

[33:22] have here. That's why we love

[33:23] living here. It's such a great

[33:25] place to live. We love the

[33:27] community, you talk about

[33:28] community, Mr. Bissonnette, I

[33:30] couldn't agree more. So the past

[33:33] leaders of Pointe-Claire had the

[33:34] vision to protect terracotta and

[33:36] turn it into a park. When you

[33:38] like your children and

[33:39] grandchildren and future

[33:40] generations to remember you as

[33:41] the Council and the mayor, as

[33:44] the ones who turned Fairview

[33:46] forest into a park? Thank you.

[33:48] >> Is there a question in there?

[33:49] >> Yes, the question, would you

[33:51] work together to turn Fairview

[33:53] forest into a park? I know

[33:55] that's not an easy thing, but I

[33:58] think with climate change, we

[34:00] don't have a choice. We can't

[34:02] afford to lose it. And I know

[34:03] it's complicated. Yeah, I get

[34:08] it. But if we don't start

[34:10] somewhere and say let's work

[34:12] towards that, we won't get

[34:15] there. And this Councillor

[34:18] Thorstad-Cullen has a

[34:20] sustainability committee. Maybe

[34:21] they could help come up with

[34:23] ideas. I would be happy to

[34:27] involved in any way, and I'm

[34:28] sure my neighbours, I speak to

[34:29] my neighbours, they are also

[34:31] keen on this. And they are also

[34:32] worried about climate change. So

[34:34] I know I'm not alone. I'm not

[34:36] alone. And Mister Mayor, you are

[34:38] elected on protection of the

[34:39] forest, so that means more than

[34:41] 50% of Pointe-Claire citizens

[34:43] want to address these kind of

[34:46] issues.

[34:47] >> I agree. So what you're

[34:49] saying is where there's a will

[34:50] there's a way?

[34:51] >> Exactly --

[34:53] >> And I couldn't agree more. I

[34:55] have a couple of comments

[34:58] pertaining to your very

[34:59] excellent observations.

[35:03] Protecting the forest is one way

[35:05] to protect the tree canopy, but

[35:07] I see the tree canopy get

[35:08] diminish in another more subtle

[35:10] but insidious way, and that is

[35:11] the building of what we would

[35:13] call make mansions and monster

[35:15] houses, where a law that only

[35:17] has a certain amount of trees,

[35:19] we allow a house twice the size

[35:22] postwar houses, or whatever, to

[35:24] get knocked down, the house --

[35:26] reduced a tree canopy, even on

[35:27] those existing lots. And lot

[35:29] after lot after lot, we lose

[35:32] trees. So we lose our tree

[35:34] canopy not just coming down, not

[35:37] just existing green spaces, but

[35:39] incrementally all of the time,

[35:40] which is very frustrating to

[35:42] watch. Park therapy is an

[35:45] interesting concept. And what

[35:46] intrigues me about park therapy,

[35:48] and I've always made this

[35:49] argument, is that it is

[35:51] desperately needed in an urban

[35:52] setting. So this whole argument,

[35:54] let's consolidate and let's

[35:56] densify and let's make a jungle

[35:57] of cement in one spot, and then

[35:59] have a green elsewhere doesn't

[36:01] work, because you don't have --

[36:03] you have to drive to go get your

[36:04] green space, whereas -- and

[36:06] that's the argument, you densify

[36:08] and densify, there is no green

[36:10] spaces anymore where you've

[36:11] densify, we have no park there,

[36:13] you have to drive for your park

[36:15] therapy. So the idea you are

[36:17] proposing is very interesting.

[36:18] The Fairview forest is a natural

[36:20] green space for what will be

[36:22] possibly a large residential

[36:24] development on a mute one and

[36:26] the Kirkland site, right beside

[36:28] it. So two large residential

[36:30] developments, there's a natural

[36:31] green space there. It is a

[36:32] no-brainer for me. The question

[36:35] of protecting that green space

[36:37] is the challenge. And you've got

[36:39] into that one. The government of

[36:40] Qu?bec and the CMF have been

[36:43] approached. So we need help from

[36:45] the citizens to put pressure on

[36:46] them as well, because they have

[36:47] been approached. And you know,

[36:49] the CNN did give an RCI, which

[36:52] good and great on their part.

[36:54] But wouldn't it be nice to house

[36:56] some financial assistance? Would

[36:58] it be nice to acquire the

[37:00] forest? These are all

[37:01] possibilities. Whereas the

[37:02] environment of Qu?bec and

[37:03] protect that forest much more

[37:05] student lee than it has today.

[37:07] So there are all kinds of ways

[37:09] we can try and save that forest.

[37:12] Councillor Stork?

[37:15] >> Wow, a lot to address there.

[37:18] I think the important thing is,

[37:20] like, we are all conscious of

[37:21] the environment. We need to

[37:22] protect as much green space as

[37:24] we can. Your mention of the

[37:26] Fairview forest is interesting.

[37:29] It's commonly said, but you

[37:31] know, the dynamics are very

[37:33] different. If you compare the

[37:35] Fairview forest in the

[37:37] Technoparc in St. Laurent, one

[37:38] is federal land. Unfortunately

[37:40] for the cause, is privately held

[37:43] land. It's owned, it's rezoned,

[37:45] it's not an urban landscape,

[37:46] it's not a park, it's zoned. So

[37:48] that gives a lot of power and a

[37:51] lot of weight to the owners of

[37:53] that land. It has already been

[37:55] stated, and if you feel the

[37:57] issue is not coming up, it's

[37:58] because there is a time for it

[37:59] to get there, of the 42 acres or

[38:02] 43 acres of the Fairview forest,

[38:04] approximately 11.5 are already

[38:06] protected from the minister of

[38:08] the Environment. This is

[38:10] something that's calm and

[38:11] knowledge. It's not expressed a

[38:12] lot. So that's already been

[38:14] protected. From there, you can

[38:16] also take about -- when any

[38:17] development happens, I'm

[38:18] therefore saving as many trees

[38:19] as possible, believe me. And the

[38:21] concept is to over densify and

[38:22] other areas, in concrete parking

[38:24] lots. But you can't have it all.

[38:26] And if you want to create green

[38:28] space, the key thing is

[38:30] negotiations. We are not

[38:32] speaking terms with -- right

[38:34] now. And as we all know, there

[38:35] are some legal issues that exist

[38:37] right now, and I wish there was

[38:38] not, but there is. But that is

[38:40] part of the negotiation, give us

[38:43] this, at a story there, give us

[38:45] a bit more the forest, and

[38:46] that's where the conversation

[38:47] that has to be had. And the

[38:48] ultimate goal, I'm not gonna go

[38:49] on too long,'s price. At the end

[38:51] of the day, it is private land.

[38:55] There is expropriation laws

[38:56] being negotiated at the

[38:57] provincial level. And there will

[38:58] be a point where we have to put

[39:00] $1 value, we are going after the

[39:03] citizenry, at what point are you

[39:04] going to pay for this? Because

[39:06] it does come, we can get grants

[39:08] for the government, but I can

[39:09] tell you right now, everything

[39:10] I've read, I am pretty much the

[39:13] PMAD go-to guy, I do not see,

[39:16] you know, hundreds of millions

[39:17] of dollars coming from the

[39:19] provincial or the CMM in terms

[39:20] of protecting the Fairview

[39:22] forest. The 30% ratio is a pan

[39:25] Montr?al ratio. I think we're at

[39:27] 24%. And there are already

[39:28] people saying I don't think we

[39:29] are going to get to the 30,

[39:30] which we should, it's important.

[39:32] So that being said, at the end

[39:33] of the day, there is a price

[39:35] thing. And once those things

[39:36] start to happen, I think we need

[39:38] have earnest discussions among

[39:40] Council, with the Mayor, and

[39:41] with the citizens on what we are

[39:42] willing to do to try to do as

[39:44] much as we can. But definitely a

[39:46] negotiation, and it's very

[39:48] complex.

[39:49] >> Isn't there --

[39:50] >> So, that's too much time.

[39:51] >> Isn't there a law, an

[39:53] expropriation law, that the

[39:54] Qu?bec government is putting in

[39:55] place that would allow the City

[39:56] of Pointe-Claire to rezone that

[39:59] land?

[40:02] >> Yes. Hasn't been tested yes,

[40:05] but yes, indeed.

[40:06] >> I think Mr. Stork, thank you

[40:07] for your comments --

[40:08] >> But let me explain that,

[40:11] because the fact right now --

[40:13] >> Councillor Stork?

[40:15] >> Go ahead.

[40:16] >> Just to reiterate then, the

[40:20] percentage that is protected at

[40:21] the moment is nowhere near

[40:23] enough. And for me, the organ is

[40:24] not about money, it's about

[40:25] whether we live, our kids live

[40:27] in the next decade or two, and

[40:29] it's not about money, it's about

[40:31] our health and quality of life.

[40:33] And money should not be the

[40:35] variable. And at one point, we

[40:36] are going to have to make our

[40:38] quality of life and are possible

[40:40] existence more important than

[40:42] dollars or cents.

[40:43] >> Absolutely.

[40:44] >> But just let me --

[40:46] unfortunately, Councillor Stork,

[40:48] did you ask to speak, Councillor

[40:50] Stork? There is a chair.

[40:51] >> Mister Mayor, may I respond?

[40:53] >> Yes, you may, thank you

[40:54] Councillor Stork.

[40:55] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor

[40:56] Thomas. So back to the

[40:59] expropriation law, and less you

[41:00] want to explain it Mister Mayor

[41:01] --

[41:02] >> I've already explained

[41:03] enough, Mister Stork. Would you

[41:04] like to --

[41:05] >> I will explain it

[41:06] differently. Right now the

[41:08] expropriation laws are in front

[41:09] of the provincial government, as

[41:10] it stands right now, in terms of

[41:12] what they can put the value of

[41:13] expropriation at. We have three

[41:14] different values. You have the

[41:16] actual property tax value, which

[41:18] at Fairview forest, if I'm not

[41:19] mistaken, is $39 million. And

[41:21] then you have a secondary value,

[41:22] which would be the value of the

[41:24] market of this land for a

[41:25] developer to buy it. The Third

[41:27] value is not just the value add

[41:29] of the current market developer

[41:30] to buy it, but also the lost

[41:33] profits and all the proceeds and

[41:35] future revenues. What they're

[41:36] trying to do is diminished the

[41:39] -- at the third level to make

[41:41] sure developers can't speculate,

[41:43] which I'm one hunted percent in

[41:44] accordance with. But we are

[41:45] still waiting to see, you know,

[41:46] where that ends up in terms of

[41:48] Expropriations. So there are,

[41:50] and even expropriation must get

[41:52] approved by the provincial

[41:53] government and by the CMM. It's

[41:55] not our divine right,

[41:56] unfortunately.

[41:57] >> I understand, Mister Stork. I

[41:58] am aware that it's a financial

[42:02] issue. But as the mayor said so

[42:04] well, this is a species, a human

[42:07] species issue. And you have

[42:09] children, Mr. Stork?

[42:11] >> Yes.

[42:12] >> Yes, so do you want to take

[42:13] that away from your children,

[42:15] this green space that could help

[42:18] with --

[42:19] >> Okay, we are getting personal

[42:20] here, but --

[42:21] >> Yeah.

[42:22] >> But let's -- Councillor

[42:25] Tremblay wanted to speak.

[42:26] >> Mister Mayor, if I could?

[42:28] First of all, Mr. Sandra Maki

[42:30] thank you very much for your

[42:32] commentary on the forests and

[42:33] the importance of preserving the

[42:34] natural world. But what I would

[42:36] like to retain from your message

[42:39] is, two important things. One is

[42:41] obviously climate change, that

[42:42] we hear about on a regular

[42:43] basis. But climate change tied

[42:46] to our narrow decision-making

[42:49] ability. There is only -- as we

[42:51] go down the road to increasing

[42:56] temperatures, we are at a point

[42:58] where we start -- we need to

[42:59] start making decisions today in

[43:00] order to be able to meet the

[43:02] challenges that we are gonna be

[43:03] facing tomorrow. So that's one.

[43:07] Number two is the importance I

[43:11] think in your message of finding

[43:12] a way to become creative and

[43:14] finding a way to work towards a

[43:16] problem, to solve the problem,

[43:18] in order to be able to reduce

[43:21] the fairly large looming climate

[43:24] issues that we are going to be

[43:26] facing. So I really appreciate

[43:29] your message and I think it's

[43:30] deafening something we could

[43:31] work together in Council in

[43:34] terms of being able to structure

[43:36] a package, an idea, a way

[43:38] forward, with the intention of

[43:39] problem solving but was also the

[43:41] intention of saving. And once

[43:42] you are there, it is always a

[43:44] question of the intention, being

[43:46] able to get to a certain

[43:48] distance. Then the sky is the

[43:50] limit with what you are able to

[43:51] do. And I have the feeling that

[43:53] other parties involved, whether

[43:54] they be government or corporate,

[43:55] would be willing to play as

[43:57] well.. Because it can be very

[43:59] inspirational to do that. And I

[44:00] think a lot of people like being

[44:02] part of inspirational projects.

[44:03] So again, thank you for your

[44:05] comments.

[44:06] >> Thank you very much. I

[44:07] apologize, Mister Stork, I

[44:08] didn't mean to be rude.

[44:09] >> From what I understand,

[44:11] citizens are texting me and web

[44:12] diffusion has been cut off. Is

[44:13] that correct? Apparently the

[44:17] citizens are saying that the web

[44:20] diffusion -- Est-ce que monsieur

[44:26] ne comprend? Non? O.K.. J'ai une

[44:30] couple de textes qui disent que

[44:31] c'est coup?, mais aucun. Okay,

[44:35] can lines?

[44:41] >> Good evening. I have a

[44:43] question concerning item 15.5 in

[44:45] the agenda. It's about the

[44:47] contract for professional

[44:48] services for the the aqua Centre

[44:54] at, right here, where they are

[44:57] gonna be doing the lockers and

[44:59] office space. My question is,

[45:02] are we going to finally fix the

[45:06] saunas?

[45:08] [Laughter]

[45:09] Yes, and I have to tell, you

[45:10] since I've become Mayor that's

[45:11] probably one of the number one

[45:12] issues I've heard about. And

[45:14] apparently it cannot be done

[45:15] because you don't want to fix it

[45:18] incrementally, because the whole

[45:19] thing is being re-done, so it

[45:21] gets done at the same time as

[45:23] the renovation, so everyone has

[45:25] waited a couple of years for the

[45:26] sauna, and they are not happy

[45:27] for it. I will let Madame Verdun

[45:30] or monsieur Gerard answer the

[45:32] timeline on the saunas.

[45:35] >> I am confirming that the

[45:36] saunas will be part of the

[45:39] overall aquatic centre project.

[45:41] Right now, we've got a timeline.

[45:44] The Santos were essential

[45:45] assessed, they are obsolete.

[45:47] We've got a timeline to renovate

[45:49] it that coincides with the

[45:51] overall aquatic centre timeline.

[45:54] So both projects are being

[45:55] emergent one, basically.

[45:57] >> Is it just the lockers that

[45:58] are being replaced or are you

[46:00] doing major changes as well? My

[46:03] main question is, are you still

[46:05] going to have the same setup as

[46:07] for what we have for the various

[46:08] locker rooms? You know, we've

[46:10] got families, we've got

[46:11] combined, and we've got men and

[46:12] women separate.

[46:13] >> There will be family,

[46:15] combined, and men and women's.

[46:17] There will be accessibility

[46:20] aspects that also will be added

[46:21] to the project. Circulation

[46:23] corridors, dry corridor, wet

[46:25] corridor, so on and so forth.

[46:27] >> Okay, what about the showers.

[46:30] >> It will be additional showers

[46:32] if you're talking about closed

[46:34] in showers, there will be

[46:36] additional cabins. You will

[46:37] still have the open showers as

[46:39] well.

[46:40] >> Good. Okay, last --

[46:43] >> That's question number one.

[46:45] >> Number two is not number two,

[46:47] it's a comment. I'm used to

[46:53] councils working collegiately.

[46:57] In other, words you work

[46:58] together, it's given take, and

[47:01] not having to say my opinion is

[47:04] more important than others. And

[47:05] when we are talking to the

[47:07] council, we are talking to the

[47:09] council, not individual

[47:11] councillors, and that's why I

[47:13] strongly believe, unless there

[47:14] is something extremely

[47:16] important, it should always be

[47:17] the mayor that answers. You,

[47:20] Mister Mayor, cannot decide

[47:24] everything. And unfortunately,

[47:26] you have to work with the

[47:27] previous council, except for one

[47:29] member here. And they are the

[47:31] ones that gave us what we have

[47:34] now, with all these high-rise

[47:35] buildings that are coming

[47:36] around. Whether we like it or

[47:39] not, they are the majority. We

[47:42] have to respect the majority,

[47:45] putting up, let's say, a fight

[47:47] like you're doing, I am with you

[47:50] 100% with your point of view.

[47:52] But it can't work that way. You

[47:54] know, it's up to us citizens,

[47:56] when we vote, to decide what we

[47:59] want. You are the councillors we

[48:01] have. We have to live with you.

[48:04] And except what your decisions

[48:07] are, whether we like them or

[48:09] not. So I am asking, like other

[48:12] people that asked before us,

[48:13] work together, don't squawk.

[48:17] Your not in an election mood or

[48:21] anything like that. Your point

[48:22] of views are different. Yeah, I

[48:24] can understand, I respect them.

[48:27] So that is what I am asking.

[48:30] Please work together so we don't

[48:32] have someone asking Qu?bec City

[48:33] to come put our nose in our

[48:36] business.

[48:37] [Applause]

[48:40] >> Very good point, Mister Ken

[48:43] Lyons. I can give a couple of

[48:45] answers to it, to your comment.

[48:47] But by the way

[48:50] [Inaudible]

[48:51] In a second, Mister Bissonnette.

[48:52] There are rules of procedure as

[48:54] to how people are speaking in an

[48:56] order. And provided they are not

[48:58] abused, there is nothing wrong

[48:59] being done if the rules are

[49:01] being followed. It comes down to

[49:05] expressing oneself. In some

[49:07] worlds, if you hear a different

[49:10] point of view, it's offensive

[49:11] and people don't like it. I was

[49:13] raised and trained in a world

[49:15] where we accept a different

[49:16] points of view. So it's very

[49:18] important to understand that

[49:19] fighting is not expressing a

[49:20] point of view. Fighting is

[49:23] simply expressing your point of

[49:24] view. And I'm used to having

[49:26] done that in my previous life,

[49:28] as an academic. And that's what

[49:30] I think most people should be

[49:31] able to do, especially at a

[49:34] Council. I don't think we should

[49:35] all line up and say the same

[49:36] thing. So I think everybody

[49:37] should be allowed to have a

[49:39] difference of opinion. But those

[49:41] differences of opinion must be

[49:43] tolerated. And that's what we

[49:44] are getting at here, sir. So I

[49:47] take what you are saying and I

[49:48] appreciate what you are saying.

[49:50] And I concur, entirely. Thank

[49:52] you very much. The next

[49:55] question, oh, Paul, you wanted

[49:57] to speak?

[49:59] >> Just --

[50:01] >> Commenting on your comment

[50:03] there, if you remember, I think

[50:05] it was and a February the mayor

[50:07] of Gatineau resigned. The

[50:11] minister was very open and said

[50:14] she was prepared, because there

[50:16] are a lot of resignations of

[50:18] elected officials in the past

[50:19] few months, since the election.

[50:21] And she said her service, they

[50:23] are open, willing to work with

[50:26] people as an accompaniment -- En

[50:30] compagnie des gens dans les

[50:32] conseils et les maires. So as a

[50:34] result of that, and a result of

[50:36] the comments we are giving about

[50:38] we are not working together and

[50:40] everything else, we decided to

[50:44] take that opportunity that she

[50:45] is given to us. It's not

[50:48] somebody from Qu?bec thinking --

[50:50] sticking their nose in our

[50:51] business. This is someone who

[50:52] has experience, Ministry of

[50:54] municipal affairs. It's not some

[50:56] reheating contractor looking for

[50:57] a profit. They will send a

[51:01] representative who knows the

[51:02] law, who know how things work in

[51:05] municipalities, to come and look

[51:06] at our situation and see if they

[51:08] can propose something or work

[51:11] together.. That is the whole

[51:12] thing. They are not coming here

[51:14] to check on us. It's not the

[51:17] gusto, and there's no

[51:18] trusteeship, there's no fraud,

[51:19] there's none of that. They are

[51:21] coming here to try to work with

[51:23] us and we have people with

[51:24] different experience and what

[51:25] have you to try to come up with

[51:27] some kind of an idea. So we

[51:30] thought it was, with all the

[51:32] criticism that we thought that

[51:34] was a positive move to go to the

[51:36] people that are probably the

[51:37] most objective and they have no

[51:41] -- Ils n'ont pas de parti pris.

[51:42] They are just there to offer the

[51:44] service. So we took her up on

[51:45] her offer, and that is why

[51:47] someone will be here to meet

[51:48] with us.

[51:50] >> And I could just add to that,

[51:52] we took -- we had a wonderful

[51:55] opportunity, having you here,

[51:58] Councillor Tremblay pointed out

[51:59] that last time, in fact, it's no

[52:00] different now than it has been

[52:02] under previous mandates and

[52:03] previous mayors, and there is a

[52:05] culture of this. And we have

[52:06] gone back and -- go back to the

[52:10] webcast, I encourage you all to

[52:11] do it, previous administrations,

[52:13] you will see the exact same

[52:14] behaviour, and sometimes worse.

[52:15] So I'm intrigued that it is all

[52:17] of a sudden dramatic now, when

[52:18] in fact it is not. It is a

[52:22] continuity. And you can find

[52:23] that out for yourselves. Call a

[52:26] debatable statement, go back,

[52:27] and I've said it again and again

[52:29] over again, go back and watch

[52:30] the webcasts. Go back to

[52:32] previous administrations. I

[52:34] happen to half of the town of

[52:39] around all, where it is far

[52:40] worse than. Here I've seen three

[52:42] or four council meetings from

[52:44] other parts of Qu?bec that are

[52:45] way worse than here. So you're

[52:46] right, it's always good to get

[52:48] help. But let's not get overly

[52:49] dramatic here. That would be my

[52:51] interpretation of that. Yes,

[52:53] there are dysfunctions. But

[52:55] overall, the city runs very

[52:56] well. And it's not a cause for a

[53:00] crisis. Sure, you can always

[53:01] improve things, but it's not a

[53:03] crisis, that's my take on this.

[53:07] So will that do it? Oh yes,

[53:11] sorry, sorry Miss duet. So

[53:17] offspring.

[53:22] >> Okay, I'm going to try not

[53:24] waste the -- I'm going to try

[53:27] and not waste over time. I just

[53:31] want to bring up an issue that I

[53:33] have had with the City. The

[53:37] light, the pedestrian high

[53:39] flashing lights on Saint John

[53:45] and over the 40, I reported to

[53:49] the city at the end of January

[53:51] that one was broken. They

[53:54] confirmed January 30th that it

[53:55] was broken, but it took them all

[53:59] until the beginning of May to

[54:01] actually fix it. And there are

[54:07] three other ones broken right

[54:11] now. I tested it yesterday

[54:14] night. My question is when will

[54:19] they be fixed? And how can the

[54:26] city improve so that there is

[54:30] not a several month delay in

[54:32] fixing a safety issue?

[54:34] >> Yeah. The one over the 40,

[54:36] are you talking the one where

[54:38] there is the exit, when you're

[54:40] going over and there is the -- I

[54:42] hate that one. That is -- that

[54:46] makes me cringe, I don't know

[54:47] how citizens get across that.

[54:49] Bear in mind --

[54:50] >> Even with the light.

[54:52] >> It's remarkable.

[54:54] >> Even with the light, some

[54:56] people just ignore it. But I

[54:57] would rather have it not.

[55:00] >> A lot of this is parts.

[55:03] Sadly, you are waiting to get a

[55:04] part to fix, something which in

[55:06] the meantime peoples lives are

[55:07] in danger. So, yes you could

[55:10] technically put police officers

[55:11] at every one of these spots, but

[55:12] that's kind of costly. But I

[55:14] hear what you are saying. Madam

[55:18] Verdun, is there any solution to

[55:20] flashing lights across

[55:22] sidewalks?

[55:23] >> The report that lights that

[55:26] --

[55:27] >> I reported it, but it took

[55:28] several months to do. The new

[55:30] ones that I discovered I did not

[55:33] report them.

[55:35] >> Report them.

[55:36] >> Can you report, them and I

[55:37] can answer you with the

[55:42] timeframe?

[55:43] >> When I asked earlier, they

[55:44] said they could not give me a

[55:45] timeframe.

[55:46] >> Yes, but report it tomorrow

[55:47] and we can answer, okay?

[55:51] >> Okay, that's. All

[55:52] >> Thanks, I appreciate. Linda

[55:56] --?

[56:05] >> Hello. On May 6th, sorry, May

[56:07] 5th, I sent a email to the City,

[56:10] and I'm not even received an

[56:13] acknowledgement a four seat of

[56:14] the email. And it concerns an

[56:16] online survey posted by Tara

[56:19] Stainforth to her Tara

[56:20] Stainforth city councillor

[56:21] Facebook group. She has put a

[56:25] survey, and this poll is not

[56:26] done by an organized plant

[56:28] company, it's a Google doc. So

[56:30] this is essentially a virtual

[56:32] word for assessor site where

[56:35] people can contribute. Tara

[56:38] asked for people to contribute

[56:39] personal information, including

[56:41] name, address, email address,

[56:43] and multi card number. And I

[56:45] wrote in the email that there's

[56:46] no promise of confidentiality

[56:48] for the information that she is

[56:49] collecting and this is

[56:50] completely unethical and I think

[56:52] it's also a contravention of

[56:55] privacy legislation. This

[56:58] legislation prohibits the

[56:59] collection and use of personal

[57:00] data with expressed consent. She

[57:04] should not be asking for multi

[57:06] card numbers. It is not a system

[57:08] that she has any administrative

[57:10] access to, nor do I think she

[57:12] has any legal right to ask for

[57:14] the numbers. And if this is, as

[57:19] I suspect, unlawful, what are

[57:22] you gonna do about it, and when?

[57:25] And are you going to report

[57:27] this? Because that would also be

[57:28] your obligation because she is

[57:30] part of your City organization.

[57:33] >> Are you asking --

[57:35] >> I am asking you if you know

[57:37] anything about this or if -- I

[57:39] did see you on the original

[57:41] email, or the second email I

[57:42] sent, because I did not receive

[57:44] a reply. And the I don't know if

[57:49] it got passed on to anyone else

[57:50] in the city. I sent it to the

[57:52] city clerk.

[57:55] >> You sent it to me and the

[57:56] graph?

[57:57] >> I sent it to them initially

[57:58] but then the graph a second time

[57:59] and I have CCU.

[58:01] >> Well, it's an interesting

[58:04] point. This is a month after the

[58:08] City logo was used on authorized

[58:10] in a local distribution, news

[58:14] distribution letter. So, I'm a

[58:15] little concerned about this kind

[58:16] of thing. I am not sure the

[58:20] laws. I'm not an expert on this,

[58:22] myself. It sounds to me, the

[58:24] multi cart element sounds a

[58:25] little intriguing. But I'm not a

[58:28] pro, I'm not an expert at this

[58:29] kind of thing. I will ask Madame

[58:31] Verdun or Mr. Scheer wired, do

[58:33] we have a city policy on this

[58:35] kind of thing? Is there any, are

[58:39] we, in any way, crossing lines

[58:41] in such an activity?

[58:43] >> Unfortunately, I didn't have

[58:44] the email that would refer, so I

[58:46] cannot answer right now. But we

[58:49] are under the law that all the

[58:52] law of municipal affairs, we

[58:53] have to respect.

[58:55] >> This would be not covered by

[58:56] a bylaw. This would be federal

[58:58] and provincial law.

[59:00] >> Well, Madam Thibault --

[59:01] >> There's also a duty to

[59:02] report.

[59:03] >> I think -- referred to the

[59:05] raw -- protection of personal

[59:06] rights

[59:07] La Loi d'acc?s ? l'information

[59:08] et la protection des

[59:09] renseignements personnels. >> I

[59:10] suppose that this is a lawyer

[59:11] referring to. Any of the privacy

[59:14] legislation, including the

[59:15] federal and the provincial.

[59:16] >> Okay, there is only one and

[59:18] that's the one I just stated.

[59:20] Mrs. Stainforth, I know for a

[59:22] fact that she posted that kind

[59:25] of survey. But since people, at

[59:28] first glance, I did not beat dig

[59:33] too deep in that question

[59:34] because I've been aware of your

[59:35] email regarding this issue. But

[59:38] Mrs. Stainforth, she has a right

[59:40] to publish that kind of survey.

[59:43] People are not forced to answer.

[59:45] They are not forced to provide

[59:48] them with, Mrs. Stainforth with

[59:51] the --

[59:52] >> If you could allow, Miss --

[59:54] >> It says, if they're going to

[59:56] answer the survey, it says

[59:58] obligatory field.

[59:59] >> They are not obliged to

[1:00:01] insert the survey --

[1:00:02] >> Miss duet, allow madame

[1:00:05] Thibault to finish answering

[1:00:06] before a subsequent question.

[1:00:08] >> I'm done.

[1:00:09] >> You're done? Okay, one more

[1:00:10] question --

[1:00:11] >> The legislation says that

[1:00:13] when you ask for the

[1:00:15] information, you must give

[1:00:19] express conditions that you're

[1:00:20] going to use it for. It does not

[1:00:22] say that oh, because you don't

[1:00:24] have to ask, and to the

[1:00:26] information, therefore, I don't

[1:00:28] have to tell you anything that

[1:00:29] I'm going to do with your

[1:00:30] information if you give it to

[1:00:31] me. Up front, the legislation

[1:00:33] says that you must put a wording

[1:00:39] that tells people exactly what

[1:00:41] you're going to do with the

[1:00:43] information they send you, and

[1:00:44] how you're going to protect

[1:00:45] their information. This did not

[1:00:47] happen, and so, there is no

[1:00:50] protection from them. Google

[1:00:52] offers no protection because

[1:00:53] this is not a Google survey.

[1:00:54] This is a bubble dock, which

[1:00:56] lives in the cloud and anyone

[1:00:58] that Harris Stainforth gives

[1:01:00] administrative access to can see

[1:01:01] everything on it. She now has

[1:01:04] information that she has made

[1:01:06] absolutely no promises about

[1:01:08] what she is going to do with it.

[1:01:10] So as far as I'm concerned, it's

[1:01:12] not legal and you have to do

[1:01:15] something about it.

[1:01:17] >> Councillor Stork, a citizen

[1:01:20] is asking a question. Thank you,

[1:01:22] Miss Duette.

[1:01:23] >> I have a second question

[1:01:24] because I'm not getting an

[1:01:25] answer to this one.

[1:01:26] >> Well, my answer is that I

[1:01:29] will look into this, I

[1:01:31] absolutely, I promised to look

[1:01:32] into this and find out the

[1:01:33] legalities. Once we know the

[1:01:35] legality, I mean, Madam people

[1:01:38] just answered. I will look into

[1:01:40] the legalities of it, but I'm

[1:01:41] not an expert in this kind of

[1:01:43] thing, but I will look into it.

[1:01:45] Yeah, I will let Councillor

[1:01:47] Stainforth comment or do you

[1:01:48] want to ask a second?

[1:01:49] >> I'm not interested in your

[1:01:52] motivation --

[1:01:53] >> Miss Duette, she does get to

[1:01:55] speak to the issue. --

[1:01:57] >> Miss, it does say please not

[1:01:58] the information -- in her people

[1:02:00] answer once only and for no

[1:02:02] other purpose. And I even wrote,

[1:02:05] some people are like, I don't

[1:02:06] have a multi-card. It doesn't

[1:02:08] require a multi-card number. You

[1:02:09] could've put all spaces in and

[1:02:10] that would've been fine. I have

[1:02:12] lots of people who wrote, I

[1:02:13] don't have a multi-card, 000. I

[1:02:16] even wrote on my Facebook post

[1:02:18] that you can just put 11111. It

[1:02:21] is fine. It's just that I wanted

[1:02:22] to make sure that no one was

[1:02:24] impersonating anyone else.

[1:02:27] >> That wording would not --

[1:02:29] >> Miss Duette, we won't get

[1:02:30] into a debate here. Do you have

[1:02:31] a second question?

[1:02:33] >> Concerning 13 Julian, the

[1:02:36] demolition of this building of

[1:02:37] heritage interest, probably

[1:02:39] would not have been happening if

[1:02:40] the City of Pointe-Claire had

[1:02:41] followed the directives from the

[1:02:42] province to update our

[1:02:44] demolition bylaw, to conform to

[1:02:45] the new law and land use and

[1:02:47] urban planning. Although we have

[1:02:49] until April, 2026 to update the

[1:02:52] entire demolition bylaw, we

[1:02:54] were, by April 1st, 2023, we

[1:02:56] were supposed to have updated

[1:03:00] the parts covering the heritage

[1:03:03] buildings, including the

[1:03:04] provisions consistent with the

[1:03:07] provisions in the new land use

[1:03:09] and urban planning act. And we

[1:03:10] have not done so. And the new

[1:03:13] plans for 13 Julian are almost

[1:03:16] identical to the first plans we

[1:03:19] submitted. Which don't conform

[1:03:21] to this -- in terms of the

[1:03:23] materials and the volume, and of

[1:03:24] course, fitting into the

[1:03:26] neighbourhood. And this style of

[1:03:29] the new proposed replacement

[1:03:34] project uses that -- that sort

[1:03:36] of lovely references the

[1:03:40] neighbourhood architectural

[1:03:42] styles. And this is coming up on

[1:03:46] item 17.5, and I'm urging the

[1:03:49] Council not to approve the

[1:03:52] monster house that they're

[1:03:54] planning to drop into this

[1:03:55] little neighbourhood. And to

[1:03:58] reject it and put them back to

[1:03:59] the drawing board, and have a

[1:04:01] policy that fits more coherently

[1:04:05] with the heritage neighbourhood

[1:04:08] that it isn't. And I guess when

[1:04:11] you vote on 17.5, I will have my

[1:04:15] answer. Thank you.

[1:04:16] >> Thank you. Paul Valois?

[1:04:38] >> Yeah, the first thing I just

[1:04:40] wanted to mention here is for

[1:04:43] the potable water pipe that's

[1:04:45] come out of the street there,

[1:04:47] continuing on St. Claire and I'm

[1:04:49] Victoria, right?

[1:04:50] >> Sorry, which water pipes?

[1:04:53] >> Potable water pipe, okay? So,

[1:04:56] it's going to keep going along

[1:04:57] until it gets to Victoria

[1:04:59] Avenue, right?

[1:05:01] >> Is it going through Victoria

[1:05:02] Avenue? Madame Verdun? -- To get

[1:05:05] to the plant.

[1:05:10] >> The one that they are doing

[1:05:11] right now -- Lakeview, that

[1:05:14] project?

[1:05:15] >> Yeah. Lakeside and are coming

[1:05:17] up --

[1:05:18] >> Yes, eventually -- will go up

[1:05:20] to Victoria.

[1:05:21] >> You will go to Victoria,

[1:05:23] right? You said yes?

[1:05:24] >> Yes.

[1:05:25] >> The problem is with the St.

[1:05:27] Claire Street part of it, it has

[1:05:32] no -- life at night and no

[1:05:34] sidewalks, so when you start

[1:05:35] putting a lot of construction

[1:05:36] stuff there, I mean, you've got

[1:05:38] something going on over there,

[1:05:41] -- I think at least what we

[1:05:43] could do is improve the lighting

[1:05:45] there because I know I walk my

[1:05:47] dog there, a black dog at night,

[1:05:49] and other people are walking,

[1:05:50] they have to step on peoples

[1:05:53] lawns so that you don't get run

[1:05:55] over from a car going one way

[1:05:56] and when the other way.

[1:05:58] >> Are there that many cars,

[1:06:00] sir? I mean, I've been along

[1:06:01] there.

[1:06:02] >> Yeah, especially these days.

[1:06:04] Cars -- very busy. People are

[1:06:06] going back and forth.

[1:06:08] >> Along St. Claire where the

[1:06:10] construction is now, I mean,

[1:06:12] it's very --

[1:06:13] >> I'm not talking about that.

[1:06:14] I'm talking when the pipe comes

[1:06:16] along their.

[1:06:17] >> Eventually.

[1:06:18] >> Yeah eventually -- right?

[1:06:20] >> Probably in time for the

[1:06:22] winter. Right? So, anyway, the

[1:06:25] other thing is --

[1:06:26] >> That is the City of Montr?al,

[1:06:28] by the way. Just so that you

[1:06:30] know.

[1:06:31] >> Well, it's actually on our

[1:06:32] property.

[1:06:33] >> Yes, it's on our property but

[1:06:34] it is the City of Montr?al, just

[1:06:35] so you know.

[1:06:36] >> Okay but the request I'm

[1:06:37] giving you there is at least, I

[1:06:40] know it's going to be, please

[1:06:41] get some decent lighting, okay?

[1:06:43] >> We will certainly look into

[1:06:45] that one.

[1:06:46] >> So, I'm not going to take 15

[1:06:48] minutes to go on with things,

[1:06:50] but I think what is going on at

[1:06:53] times here is that some people

[1:06:55] are giving sermons rather than

[1:06:57] asking questions and we've been

[1:06:59] averaging almost 15 minutes per

[1:07:01] person so far. So, I'm not going

[1:07:03] to end up with too many people

[1:07:08] -- out there. I would suggest,

[1:07:10] as I have in the past, put a

[1:07:13] little time limit on it.

[1:07:14] >> We have a 90 minute time

[1:07:16] limit, we are halfway through

[1:07:17] the list, sir. So, I suspect we

[1:07:20] are going to make it just fine

[1:07:22] >> Okay but seem it seems like a

[1:07:24] filibuster.

[1:07:25] >> I don't find that a

[1:07:26] filibuster. Have you ever seen a

[1:07:28] filibuster? Well, a filibuster

[1:07:30] is a lot worse than that and

[1:07:31] it's usually nonsensical. But

[1:07:34] citizens coming up, sometimes

[1:07:36] for their very first time, to a

[1:07:39] microphone to city hall, do not

[1:07:42] deserve to be hastened, or

[1:07:44] rushed, or scolded, or lectured

[1:07:45] on process. Once someone comes

[1:07:47] up for their first time, you

[1:07:48] give them a little bit of

[1:07:49] respect and you know, it is a

[1:07:52] fine line. But yeah, you can go

[1:07:54] boom, boom, boom. But do the

[1:07:56] citizens go home feeling like

[1:07:57] they've been listened to? This

[1:07:58] is the dilemma of running this

[1:08:00] process. The other extreme of

[1:08:01] this is far worse than this. The

[1:08:03] other extreme where nobody gets

[1:08:05] heard, but it all goes through

[1:08:06] look pretty quick machine,

[1:08:09] that's far less democratic.

[1:08:13] David Johnson, I certainly

[1:08:14] answered a question, sir. I've

[1:08:15] done my best at that, nobody

[1:08:17] will argue with that.

[1:08:27] >> David Johnson, district one.

[1:08:32] No doubt, there's a lot of

[1:08:34] politics behind what is going on

[1:08:35] now in Pointe-Claire. But with

[1:08:37] this motion, that was approved

[1:08:40] at the special meeting three

[1:08:41] weeks ago, task and mediator

[1:08:45] from the Qu?bec Ministry of

[1:08:46] municipal affairs to come in and

[1:08:48] help Pointe-Claire Council with

[1:08:50] the management of its public and

[1:08:52] private council meetings. I

[1:08:55] trust, though, that this is not

[1:08:58] going to be the mediators first

[1:09:01] dysfunction rodeo. And that he

[1:09:03] will be able, or she will be

[1:09:05] able, to separate operations

[1:09:07] from politics. And given the

[1:09:11] political divisions in

[1:09:12] Pointe-Claire here, I am

[1:09:14] thinking that it would help if

[1:09:16] the mediators findings are made

[1:09:20] public. Councillor Stork said,

[1:09:22] at that special meeting three

[1:09:23] weeks ago, that he would be

[1:09:25] happy to support public

[1:09:29] disclosure. It's possible that

[1:09:30] the mediator is going to

[1:09:32] conclude that the rules that

[1:09:34] Pointe-Claire has had in place

[1:09:37] since 2006 on how question

[1:09:40] period should be run are being

[1:09:41] ignored. Or selectively enforced

[1:09:44] by the mayor. From what I can

[1:09:47] see, in the last meeting in here

[1:09:50] tonight, and from what I

[1:09:51] experienced myself here a month

[1:09:54] ago, the mayor runs meetings

[1:09:55] with too heavy a political hand.

[1:09:58] Letting people who support him

[1:10:00] run on unchallenged. But

[1:10:04] shutting down people interviews

[1:10:05] he doesn't like. But this is my

[1:10:08] view, that is subjective. I

[1:10:10] understand that there are people

[1:10:11] who support the mayor that would

[1:10:12] have a different view. So, my

[1:10:16] question is really on an

[1:10:18] objective matter and it has to

[1:10:21] do with a clause in the

[1:10:24] audience. We heard applause here

[1:10:27] tonight, which is not allowed.

[1:10:28] We saw that the mayor didn't

[1:10:32] check, against applause. We saw

[1:10:35] last at the special meeting that

[1:10:38] every councillor made a short

[1:10:40] speech and was allowed to speak.

[1:10:47] Whether for or against the

[1:10:50] motion. But after the speech by

[1:10:52] one councillor, Councillor

[1:10:54] Tremblay, there was applause in

[1:10:56] the audience, and the mayor just

[1:10:59] let it pass. But applause is not

[1:11:04] permitted under the rules

[1:11:05] governing question period in

[1:11:07] Pointe-Claire, so my question

[1:11:08] is, as chair of the meeting,

[1:11:10] Mister Mayor, are you

[1:11:12] deliberately letting applause go

[1:11:15] unchecked, or was tonight and

[1:11:17] last week unfortunate and

[1:11:20] momentary lapse in judgment on

[1:11:21] your part?

[1:11:23] >> If you consider that a lapse

[1:11:24] in judgment, Mr. Johnston, I

[1:11:27] take that and I take exception

[1:11:29] at that. You think it's possible

[1:11:33] that the mediator is going to

[1:11:36] conclude blah, blah, blah. Well,

[1:11:38] I think it's possible the

[1:11:40] mediator is going to conclude

[1:11:41] that a very earnest, kind mayor

[1:11:44] has been treated rather

[1:11:45] shabbily. That could be a

[1:11:47] possible conclusion as well.

[1:11:48] Your possible conclusion is your

[1:11:50] possible conclusion and mine is

[1:11:51] my possible conclusion. Which

[1:11:53] renders yours and mine quite

[1:11:56] equal. To have a political hand

[1:11:59] for people who agree with me,

[1:12:02] that is beyond imagine

[1:12:06] ridiculous. I have sat and let

[1:12:08] people who disagree with me go

[1:12:10] on endlessly, and I have

[1:12:12] deliberately allowed people to

[1:12:13] disagree with me to go longer

[1:12:15] than people who agree with me.

[1:12:17] I've done that on purpose.

[1:12:19] Ladies and gentlemen, once

[1:12:20] again, if you want to see who is

[1:12:23] right or wrong on this, the

[1:12:24] transparency on this, please

[1:12:26] watch the webcast. You will see

[1:12:28] the people who disagree with me,

[1:12:29] in fact, usually get more time

[1:12:31] than people who do. As for, so

[1:12:35] my heavy political hand, I

[1:12:37] think, is highly suspect on Mr.

[1:12:39] Johnson's behalf. I think that's

[1:12:40] completely not true and all you

[1:12:41] have to do is watch. Finally, on

[1:12:45] applause, yes, people applauded

[1:12:48] Mr. Tremblay, you know? I've

[1:12:51] told people that a pause is not

[1:12:52] allowed. It was brief, it did

[1:12:54] not last very long. They did not

[1:12:56] applaud me, they did, actually.

[1:12:58] They started to but it stopped.

[1:13:01] What do you do if people

[1:13:03] applaud? I mean, do you

[1:13:05] reprimand them all and tell them

[1:13:06] all to go home? I mean, you can

[1:13:08] actually suggest, as I have

[1:13:09] done, you can suggest -- Mr.

[1:13:12] Johnson, I'm speaking, Mr.

[1:13:14] Johnston. Thank you, Mr.

[1:13:15] Johnston, I'm speaking, Mr.

[1:13:17] Johnson, thank you. The rules

[1:13:18] say we allow people to finish

[1:13:20] speaking before we interrupt.

[1:13:23] So, what happens is that

[1:13:27] applause is spontaneous and

[1:13:28] happens just like that. I can't

[1:13:30] anticipate it and I've told

[1:13:31] people not to applaud, okay? On

[1:13:33] numerous occasions. It happens.

[1:13:36] Well, do we not have Council

[1:13:37] meetings? Or do you suggest that

[1:13:39] people shouldn't applaud and

[1:13:42] maybe we might want to change

[1:13:43] that rule. Rules can often be

[1:13:46] changed over time and I think

[1:13:48] that's one that may be a prime

[1:13:50] candidate. So, hopefully that

[1:13:52] answers your question, Mr.

[1:13:53] Johnson.

[1:13:54] >> My follow-up question, with

[1:13:56] no preamble, is this. Why did

[1:13:59] you let the first two people

[1:14:02] from the audience who spoke

[1:14:04] against the motion at the

[1:14:05] special meeting come back a

[1:14:07] second time till the microphone?

[1:14:10] >> What are you talking about?

[1:14:11] >> At the end of question period

[1:14:12] at the last special meeting.

[1:14:13] >> At the last special meeting?

[1:14:15] Because they asked and asked the

[1:14:16] -- if it was allowed, I asked if

[1:14:18] that was allowed and I was told

[1:14:19] that it was. So, I allow them.

[1:14:22] If you watch, ladies and

[1:14:23] gentlemen, Mr. Johnson, I'm

[1:14:24] answering your question.

[1:14:25] >> Let me finish.

[1:14:26] >> Mr. Johnson, I'm asking your

[1:14:28] question, Mr. Johnson. Again,

[1:14:31] people are allowed to finish

[1:14:32] speaking, Mr. Johnson we had

[1:14:35] this discussion before, haven't

[1:14:37] we? What happened last time was

[1:14:40] that I was not sure myself

[1:14:41] whether the person could come up

[1:14:42] a second time, so I asked and

[1:14:44] you can watch me -- the truth is

[1:14:48] in the webcast. Okay? I asked,

[1:14:51] is he allowed to come back and

[1:14:54] ask a second question? Miss

[1:14:55] Weaver, are you motion rudely

[1:14:57] for any particular reason? Okay,

[1:14:59] your hand is waiving is making

[1:15:01] an interesting, had Eddie Howe,

[1:15:05] Mr. Johnson, the bottom line is

[1:15:07] that I asked what the rules were

[1:15:10] and I was told that the person

[1:15:11] could answer their second

[1:15:13] question. So, that is your

[1:15:15] second question, Mr. Johnson.

[1:15:16] >> Let me just find out one

[1:15:18] thing that you had said

[1:15:20] yourself, I've noticed that you

[1:15:21] look to the DG for guidance but

[1:15:23] did you forget --

[1:15:25] >> The greffe actually, not the

[1:15:27] DG.

[1:15:28] >> In October, 2022 meeting, the

[1:15:31] one after the chaotic -- that

[1:15:34] you said --

[1:15:35] >> You call the -- meeting

[1:15:37] chaotic? Okay, in your opinion,

[1:15:39] Mr. Johnson. Chaotic is a, Mr.

[1:15:42] Johnson, it's a pretty dramatic

[1:15:43] word.

[1:15:44] >> Let me just finish, let me

[1:15:45] just finish.

[1:15:46] >> Are you going somewhere with

[1:15:47] this?

[1:15:48] >> You said enough is enough.

[1:15:49] From now on in Pointe-Claire,

[1:15:50] and I quote, speakers will only

[1:15:51] be allowed to go to the

[1:15:53] microphone once. So, you created

[1:15:55] a discretionary rule of your

[1:15:58] own, that you broke three weeks

[1:16:00] ago.

[1:16:01] >> Okay, Mr. Johnson, I'm going

[1:16:02] to answer that question and

[1:16:03] questions are now done, okay?

[1:16:05] That is kind of clown like, I

[1:16:08] might add. The answer to your

[1:16:10] question is that it wasn't the

[1:16:12] regular agenda meeting. It was a

[1:16:13] special general meeting and

[1:16:15] there might have been different

[1:16:16] rules applied. As a first time

[1:16:18] mayor, I did not know if the

[1:16:20] regular general meeting rules

[1:16:22] applied also to the Special

[1:16:23] general meeting because we are

[1:16:24] dealing with a particular issue.

[1:16:26] So, I asked the graph if during

[1:16:30] a special general meeting,

[1:16:31] people could go up and ask a

[1:16:32] second question, which, in fact,

[1:16:34] they are allowed to do. Thank

[1:16:35] you for your question, sir.

[1:16:40] Janet Hannah.

[1:16:48] >> If I may, Mister Mayor, just

[1:16:50] before the questions. It will be

[1:16:52] a very short comment. I

[1:16:54] understand that respect goes

[1:16:56] both ways. It should, anyways.

[1:17:01] Don't you find Madam -- because

[1:17:08] she is on tape, dismissive

[1:17:11] comment, words, Councillor

[1:17:16] Stainforth it respectful?

[1:17:18] >> No, not exactly, Mr.

[1:17:20] Cousineau. Although Mr.

[1:17:22] Cousineau is asking a question

[1:17:23] from Council, which is not

[1:17:25] supposed to be done. But

[1:17:27] according to the rules. But I

[1:17:29] will answer it and say that Miss

[1:17:31] De Witt ask the question about

[1:17:34] whether people are allowed to do

[1:17:38] surveys, using certain

[1:17:40] technology. She's asking if it

[1:17:41] is allowed. She's asking a

[1:17:43] legitimate question. If the

[1:17:45] answer is yes, the answer is

[1:17:47] yes. If the answer is no, the

[1:17:49] answer is no. She asked a

[1:17:51] legitimate question of a citizen

[1:17:53] of Pointe-Claire, who is asked

[1:17:56] or who had a survey that was

[1:17:57] being asked to a lot of citizens

[1:17:59] and some I've heard quite a few

[1:18:01] citizens asking if it is legit.

[1:18:03] So, for her to ask whether

[1:18:05] that's a proper procedure is not

[1:18:08] rooted, it's a legitimate

[1:18:10] citizens question, in my

[1:18:11] opinion. Janet Hanna, yes, Miss

[1:18:14] Hannah, thank you for your

[1:18:15] patience.

[1:18:16] >> You're welcome, thank you.

[1:18:19] So, in tonight's meeting when

[1:18:21] you started out the meeting, you

[1:18:22] said that in 2023, there is a

[1:18:25] surplus of 24 million and the

[1:18:29] same year, you authorized the 24

[1:18:34] million dollar renovation of

[1:18:36] public works. In the budget,

[1:18:41] there is office supplies that

[1:18:43] was for 2023, June six, 2023.

[1:18:47] Office supplies for about

[1:18:50] $300,000. You are approving a

[1:18:54] change order in this meeting,

[1:18:58] 15.7, for the amount about

[1:19:01] 113,000 and some. So, my

[1:19:09] questions, there is a lot of

[1:19:10] money that's being spent and

[1:19:14] renovating one building for 24

[1:19:15] million a month, I don't know

[1:19:17] where it's at right now. Is it

[1:19:18] 35 million? Is it 30 million?

[1:19:22] Where are we at?

[1:19:25] >> The number, is that your

[1:19:26] first question?

[1:19:27] >> Yeah.

[1:19:28] >> The number that springs to

[1:19:29] mind is me 13, maybe it's less

[1:19:31] than that. Mr. sagging, do we

[1:19:33] know where we are at on the

[1:19:34] overall expenditure on public

[1:19:36] works project?

[1:19:39] >> Yeah, we would have to look.

[1:19:41] >> Yeah, it will go up

[1:19:44] incrementally as the building

[1:19:45] comes to completion. Councillor

[1:19:47] Stork?

[1:19:48] >> As it stands right now, if

[1:19:49] I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure

[1:19:51] at 38% completion. And 2% of the

[1:19:55] budget.

[1:19:56] >> So, basically, you are

[1:20:00] donating money as well to

[1:20:01] nonprofit organizations. You're

[1:20:05] attending golf tournaments,

[1:20:06] you're attending evening balls

[1:20:10] to raise funds and raise money.

[1:20:15] The information is not clearly

[1:20:19] documented in on the website. We

[1:20:22] don't know what those nonprofit

[1:20:24] organizations are, how much

[1:20:26] money is going to each one, how

[1:20:28] they are run, by whom they are

[1:20:30] run. And it seems like a lot of

[1:20:34] our money is being squandered.

[1:20:38] We are paying a lot of taxes and

[1:20:39] so, there's a surplus of 24

[1:20:41] million and boom, the same year,

[1:20:44] there is a renovation of over 24

[1:20:48] million of a building. I mean, I

[1:20:49] don't know. Are we building a

[1:20:51] country on there? A city in

[1:20:52] there?

[1:20:54] >> Is that your second question?

[1:20:56] >> No! My question is that we

[1:20:58] need to have, we, the people of

[1:21:00] Pointe-Claire, need to know the

[1:21:02] details and need to actually be

[1:21:03] able to vote and agree on how

[1:21:07] our money is being spent. And I

[1:21:09] do not know how that works. And

[1:21:12] it seems like it's you and the

[1:21:14] councillors who have that power

[1:21:17] to decide on how our money is

[1:21:20] being spent. We don't

[1:21:22] necessarily agree. I personally

[1:21:23] don't see the benefit of a

[1:21:26] building being, having being

[1:21:30] renovated for $24 million being

[1:21:31] of any value to me, of any

[1:21:33] benefit to me, while the garbage

[1:21:36] is being collected only once

[1:21:37] every two weeks, and in the

[1:21:39] summer, it's only for two months

[1:21:41] that it's collected every week.

[1:21:43] So, if we've got dogs, and cats,

[1:21:45] and we've got children, and we

[1:21:46] better diapers, we've got to

[1:21:47] stay with the stinking bags of

[1:21:53] really of very, very smelly,

[1:21:56] dirty stuff, because the money

[1:21:59] is not being spent where we

[1:22:01] think it might be. It looks like

[1:22:05] there might be -- looks like the

[1:22:06] people of Pointe-Claire cannot

[1:22:08] vote on the budget and it seems

[1:22:11] like money is being spent

[1:22:13] without actually considering it.

[1:22:15] >> Miss Hannah, if I could cut

[1:22:17] you short very quickly. If you

[1:22:18] look at the piece of paper in

[1:22:19] your hand, everything

[1:22:22] expenditure is being authorized

[1:22:23] and passed in front of you in

[1:22:25] Council. And it's completely

[1:22:27] transparent. If you look at all

[1:22:28] the expenditures, what we do in

[1:22:29] these meetings is all our

[1:22:31] expenditures are public and we

[1:22:32] show them to you, and we vote on

[1:22:33] them. Every single one of them,

[1:22:35] that's what these meetings are

[1:22:36] for the most part. As for the

[1:22:38] public works project, you've had

[1:22:40] your questions, ma'am. As for

[1:22:42] the public works project, we had

[1:22:45] a special meeting for the, to

[1:22:48] authorize the public works

[1:22:49] project and we knew it was a

[1:22:50] large expenditure, and we had

[1:22:53] two people come to that meeting.

[1:22:57] To inquire about the public

[1:22:58] works project, which was a huge

[1:23:00] project and we were expecting a

[1:23:01] lot more questions on it, but

[1:23:03] for the bulk of the

[1:23:04] Pointe-Claire citizenry, they

[1:23:06] understand how good our public

[1:23:07] works are and this was necessary

[1:23:10] for us to be able to deliver our

[1:23:11] public works in house and we

[1:23:14] self-sufficient as a city, and I

[1:23:15] think for the most part, the

[1:23:17] Pointe-Claire citizenry accept

[1:23:18] that and are okay with that

[1:23:19] project, provided it does not

[1:23:22] overrun and cost. So, what can I

[1:23:25] tell you? Those are the answers

[1:23:26] to your question and you've had

[1:23:27] your two questions.

[1:23:28] >> I don't think so because when

[1:23:30] you --

[1:23:31] >> I don't want to debate with

[1:23:33] you. I don't want to debate with

[1:23:34] you. Do you have a question?

[1:23:36] Subsequent question.

[1:23:37] >> Even if we don't agree with

[1:23:39] an item over here, for example,

[1:23:40] I don't agree with a contract

[1:23:42] with the addition in point 15.7

[1:23:45] of approving the change order. I

[1:23:46] personally do not agree with it.

[1:23:47] The nonprofit organization

[1:23:50] amount that you want to donate

[1:23:52] $250,000, I don't agree with

[1:23:54] that because I don't see what

[1:23:56] benefit those nonprofit

[1:23:58] organizations are giving to the

[1:24:00] people. If all this money were

[1:24:01] to actually be in our pockets,

[1:24:03] and we would have more spending

[1:24:06] power, we would not need all of

[1:24:09] these.

[1:24:10] >> I will answer that one

[1:24:11] quickly and this is the last

[1:24:12] question. A lot of the beauty of

[1:24:15] what we do in municipal

[1:24:16] government and, this is one of

[1:24:17] the nice parts of the job, is

[1:24:19] that there are holes in the

[1:24:21] social safety network. That

[1:24:22] there are no organizations that

[1:24:24] could plug those holes. And this

[1:24:26] is where some incredibly

[1:24:28] selfless people do some

[1:24:30] incredible work for their

[1:24:31] communities. And the least we

[1:24:33] can do as cities, representative

[1:24:35] cities, and I know Jim Beis and

[1:24:36] a lot of my fellow mayors do

[1:24:38] this, exactly for this reason,

[1:24:40] we support them. The city gives

[1:24:42] a small amount, usually as a

[1:24:45] donation, but these are

[1:24:46] incredible organizations that

[1:24:47] are selflessly work to protect

[1:24:50] our help people in certain

[1:24:52] elements of society and they do

[1:24:53] it amazingly. You know, I can

[1:24:56] give you tons of them but, you

[1:24:58] know, it is an interesting, I

[1:25:01] find it's a sad question because

[1:25:03] it's remarkable what good these

[1:25:05] people do and we, as a city,

[1:25:07] should absolutely, 100%, support

[1:25:09] them and I will stand by that.

[1:25:13] Want to make you it's. Want to,

[1:25:16] did I say it right?

[1:25:18] >> Want to mid cabbage.

[1:25:20] >> It carriage, okay.

[1:25:21] >> Mister Mayor, councillors,

[1:25:23] ladies and gentlemen, I am a

[1:25:27] resident of point player since

[1:25:30] 43 years, and I've got to tell

[1:25:32] you, I've seen a lot of changes.

[1:25:34] When we bought our home, we

[1:25:37] bought it on paper. There was

[1:25:39] not even a street. It was a

[1:25:41] field. And since that time, the

[1:25:44] city has expanded, we've got

[1:25:47] Hymus Boulevard's condo alley.

[1:25:50] St. John's boulevard is busier

[1:25:53] than St. Catherine street

[1:25:56] downtown. But there is also been

[1:25:58] wonderful things. Your public

[1:25:59] works department has done a

[1:26:02] fabulous job on the bike paths,

[1:26:05] on Cartier Street, on the --

[1:26:10] >> I like Donegani the best.

[1:26:13] That's my favourite by Pat.

[1:26:14] >> I mentioned the bike path but

[1:26:16] I'm here today to talk about the

[1:26:20] windmill. Our cities symbol. The

[1:26:25] windmill was built in 1709, and

[1:26:29] it's one of the oldest windmills

[1:26:31] in all of Canada. It's really

[1:26:34] fallen into disrepair and it's

[1:26:36] really sad. In the beginning, it

[1:26:39] was used to grind grain, to

[1:26:43] middle green, and also, it was

[1:26:46] used for protection. In those

[1:26:48] days, the Iroquois were quite

[1:26:50] fierce and it was used for

[1:26:53] protection. So, in that

[1:26:56] windmill, we have our history.

[1:26:59] We have a green space. It is a

[1:27:03] treasure of our city. Now, if

[1:27:07] you consider people how they

[1:27:09] live, people travel. We go to

[1:27:10] Europe, we want to see the old

[1:27:13] ruins of Rome, this and that. In

[1:27:17] LaSalle, they have their

[1:27:18] windmill and they keep it in

[1:27:21] check. When things fall back,

[1:27:23] the city of Halifax is now

[1:27:26] excavating or trying to find the

[1:27:28] original foundations of their

[1:27:30] walled city. And here, we have

[1:27:34] something that's not only on all

[1:27:36] our stationary, everything, it

[1:27:39] is our symbol and I want to

[1:27:41] know, from the council, it's an

[1:27:45] urgency and I think it should be

[1:27:46] addressed. It seems that it has

[1:27:49] come up, let go, and it's

[1:27:52] something that, if we don't

[1:27:55] address it now, it'll go into

[1:27:58] disrepair. Heaven forbid it

[1:28:00] would get to the point that

[1:28:02] you'd say oh, we will have to

[1:28:03] tear it down. That should not

[1:28:05] even come into question. Our

[1:28:09] highest angels should prevail to

[1:28:11] keep that whole waterfront as a

[1:28:14] green space. I know that there

[1:28:17] is the convent issue, what to do

[1:28:20] with it, whether we repair the

[1:28:22] roof, if we repair the roof,

[1:28:24] then we could get it from the

[1:28:27] Montr?al, the archdiocese and

[1:28:29] use it for a cultural centre.

[1:28:32] There's another centre that we

[1:28:33] have, the Nobel logo Centre,

[1:28:35] that is in disrepair. Maybe

[1:28:37] leave that and go to that. So, I

[1:28:39] would like to know, I was

[1:28:43] assured by my councillor, Mr.

[1:28:44] Cousineau, that south of the 20,

[1:28:47] there would be no development,

[1:28:49] huge development. I want to make

[1:28:50] sure that the windmill would be

[1:28:56] repaired and if anything, it's

[1:28:59] for generations to go. For our

[1:29:02] future.

[1:29:03] >> Okay, well to answer your

[1:29:04] question, it is in disrepair and

[1:29:06] I toured it about two months

[1:29:08] ago, and some of the main

[1:29:10] structural beams underneath

[1:29:11] isn't very, very bad shape. And

[1:29:13] it's in desperate need of

[1:29:14] repair. The difference in the

[1:29:17] LaSalle example is that the one

[1:29:19] in Pointe-Claire is owned by the

[1:29:22] archdiocese, of course, LaSalle

[1:29:23] one is owned by the City. When

[1:29:24] it's owned by the City, it's

[1:29:25] easier. The problem with how

[1:29:27] hers is that because we don't

[1:29:29] own it, it seems irresponsible

[1:29:30] to spend money to repair it.

[1:29:32] Because we're not the owner.

[1:29:34] Now, I made a deal where I

[1:29:36] succumb to that and realize that

[1:29:38] as a city, we do have to do some

[1:29:40] investing and we do have to make

[1:29:41] a deal with the archdiocese, who

[1:29:43] own the actual windmill, and who

[1:29:45] have not repaired it adequately,

[1:29:47] as it should. So, some stimulus

[1:29:49] had to be done, so I made a deal

[1:29:51] acknowledging that fact. The

[1:29:53] deal is no longer in place, so

[1:29:54] that's where we stand on the

[1:29:56] windmill. I had a deal on the

[1:29:57] table, and it exists no more.

[1:29:59] It's not the accept a deal and

[1:30:00] what exists now is status quo,

[1:30:03] and a windmill that not been

[1:30:04] repaired. So, that's my answer

[1:30:06] to that.

[1:30:07] >> Okay, in that case, I would

[1:30:09] just like to make a comment that

[1:30:11] --

[1:30:12] >> Yes, yes.

[1:30:13] >> I don't know if you watch the

[1:30:15] earlier webcast where we did

[1:30:17] pass a resolution where this

[1:30:19] council had committed funds,

[1:30:21] because we really want that

[1:30:22] windmill repaired. And this has

[1:30:24] been an ongoing dossier for many

[1:30:27] years through many different

[1:30:29] mayors. At one point in my first

[1:30:31] term Council recently met, had a

[1:30:33] wonderful proposal that we could

[1:30:35] actually repurpose the convent.

[1:30:37] It was not approved by the

[1:30:39] owners of that time. We tried

[1:30:41] again. We came back again with

[1:30:44] this mandate to try to establish

[1:30:47] a new agreement. It was not

[1:30:49] working, so we had a windmill

[1:30:51] committee. So in order to

[1:30:53] protect the interests of our

[1:30:54] Pointe-Claire citizens, we said

[1:30:55] the best way it would give the

[1:30:57] bursary, stipend, I don't know

[1:30:59] the exact terminology, Grant,

[1:31:01] thank you, to the archdiocese to

[1:31:03] repair the windmill because it's

[1:31:04] so important to us. So that has

[1:31:06] already happened because we need

[1:31:08] to do what we can -- we all

[1:31:10] agree, we all love it. We don't

[1:31:12] own it, as the mayor said. But

[1:31:14] we have to also protect

[1:31:15] Pointe-Claire citizens interest

[1:31:17] in it as well. So that's why

[1:31:18] we've passed a resolution and I

[1:31:21] don't believe we have a

[1:31:22] follow-up, unfortunately. So

[1:31:24] this is a problem because we

[1:31:26] don't own it. We can't go in and

[1:31:27] fix the roof tomorrow.

[1:31:29] >> I realize that, but all of

[1:31:32] you have been elected on behalf

[1:31:34] of the people. So this is such

[1:31:37] an important heritage site and

[1:31:41] green space that I would like to

[1:31:43] just note that the Council would

[1:31:47] continue working together just

[1:31:48] to get it done. Talk to them.

[1:31:53] Negotiations, look, in Gaza and

[1:31:55] Israel, they're going on and on.

[1:31:56] So we've got to do the same kind

[1:31:58] of stuff.

[1:31:59] >> Do you have another question?

[1:32:00] >> No, that's it. I just hope

[1:32:03] that it would be done soon.

[1:32:05] Because every time we wait, it

[1:32:07] is going to cost more.

[1:32:09] >> I just want to also add to

[1:32:11] part of that agreement was we

[1:32:13] were going to come up with some

[1:32:15] amount of money, and the diocese

[1:32:17] was going to apply to the

[1:32:18] government for another part of

[1:32:19] the money. Unfortunately, that

[1:32:21] is still not been done. I don't

[1:32:24] want people to be misled that

[1:32:25] it's just our part to do. So

[1:32:28] part is also on the diocese to

[1:32:30] do their part as well to raise

[1:32:31] the other part of the money that

[1:32:32] was going to repair the male. So

[1:32:35] I want to make that clear. Thank

[1:32:37] you.

[1:32:38] >> And a year ago, the

[1:32:39] archdiocese was very happy with

[1:32:41] the deal on the table and was

[1:32:43] ready to apply to the provincial

[1:32:45] government.

[1:32:46] >> Mayor comment?

[1:32:47] >> It is no longer doing that.

[1:32:48] >> And a comment, sir, Mister

[1:32:50] Mayor?

[1:32:51] >> One more comment, Mr. Stork.

[1:32:53] >> Are you, there was an

[1:32:55] agreement by the Mayor and

[1:32:58] Council. Yes, there was an

[1:33:00] agreement that did not serve the

[1:33:02] best interests of the city in

[1:33:04] terms of access, in terms of

[1:33:07] multiple elements. That deal is

[1:33:11] unacceptable. Unacceptable

[1:33:13] majority of Council. Thank you.

[1:33:15] >> Okay, so I'm glad to say one

[1:33:16] last thing. That deal was

[1:33:18] initially accepted by Council

[1:33:19] and then rescinded. And that

[1:33:23] agreement, you can go back and

[1:33:24] look at it and compare that

[1:33:26] agreement, folks, that agreement

[1:33:28] from a year ago to the agreement

[1:33:30] that's in place, supposed

[1:33:31] funding project that is in place

[1:33:33] now. Compare that to. All of

[1:33:36] you, do it yourselves. If you

[1:33:37] don't believe us, go and look at

[1:33:39] the agreement I negotiated and

[1:33:40] then compare with one that

[1:33:41] exists now. The comparison

[1:33:45] proves everything. All right,

[1:33:48] the next question --

[1:33:49] >> If I may --

[1:33:50] >> Know, or moving to the next

[1:33:56] question. Olivia Winston?

[1:34:01] >> Hello, I'm Olivia. I wanted

[1:34:04] to speak about the therapy

[1:34:06] forest.

[1:34:07] >> Come closer.

[1:34:08] >> Sorry. So I'm really worried

[1:34:11] about climate change and I'm

[1:34:12] also worried for the

[1:34:14] consequences that it has on

[1:34:15] future generations. I have

[1:34:18] learned a lot about climate

[1:34:19] change in school, probably for

[1:34:20] the past seven years, and I know

[1:34:23] that they would not be teaching

[1:34:24] it to us if it was not a huge

[1:34:25] problem that people need to be

[1:34:27] more aware of. And that goes

[1:34:30] with deforestation as well. And

[1:34:32] I would like to thank the Mayor

[1:34:33] for understanding that and

[1:34:35] wanting to protect this forest.

[1:34:37] And with that, I would like to

[1:34:39] ask the council if you will

[1:34:41] support the mayor in protecting

[1:34:44] 100% of the forests. Thank you.

[1:34:51] >> Is anybody going to answer

[1:34:53] Olivia?

[1:34:57] >> She has the question, yes.

[1:34:59] >> She asked the question, she

[1:35:01] absolutely ask the question.

[1:35:02] >> I will make an attempt,

[1:35:04] Mister Mayor.

[1:35:05] >> Okay, thank you, Councillor

[1:35:07] Cousineau.

[1:35:08] >> Just like the previous

[1:35:09] question, there is a cost to

[1:35:13] everything. In our role is to

[1:35:15] protect the Pointe-Claire

[1:35:17] taxpayers. Now if you put any

[1:35:21] kind of argument about the

[1:35:25] windmill in the the facts or the

[1:35:29] information you have, I know for

[1:35:32] a fact that the City of

[1:35:35] Pointe-Claire, and it's

[1:35:36] documented since 1987, has been

[1:35:41] working on that. Imagine. So

[1:35:44] like they say, Rome has eternity

[1:35:49] on their side. Barry, there was

[1:35:56] due diligence, and it's the same

[1:35:59] in the forest. There is a

[1:36:00] balance. There is experts. I was

[1:36:02] listening to the lady saying

[1:36:03] that 100 year old tree is -- it

[1:36:09] pumps out more carbon then a

[1:36:12] small tree. There is -- pumps,

[1:36:21] well --

[1:36:22] >> Absorbed.

[1:36:23] >> Transforms gases into would.

[1:36:31] But at one point, let's say that

[1:36:33] a lifetime of the tree is 100

[1:36:38] years well the efficiency

[1:36:42] decreases, let's say, starting

[1:36:44] at eight years. So there is all

[1:36:46] kinds of scientific arguments,

[1:36:51] one way or the other. We do want

[1:36:53] to save as much tree as

[1:36:58] possible. It's just that the

[1:36:59] arguments being used or the

[1:37:05] means are not the same. Urban

[1:37:08] sprawl is a big problem. This

[1:37:14] site has been earmarked many

[1:37:17] many years ago. That is also

[1:37:20] documented, 1964, Mayor archers

[1:37:28] again, already had approved over

[1:37:30] project of one Island, one city,

[1:37:34] that Pointe-Claire, Anjou, and

[1:37:38] Ville-Marie would be, downtown

[1:37:44] Ville-Marie, and sub downtown,

[1:37:48] Anjou and Pointe-Claire. There

[1:37:50] is a bunch of arguments one way

[1:37:53] or the other. We are -- anyways.

[1:37:57] I am going to take my time. I am

[1:38:00] not going to argue science, the

[1:38:06] facts. And also like I said

[1:38:08] about a year ago, science put us

[1:38:10] in this mess. They are going to

[1:38:12] get us out of it.

[1:38:15] >> Mister Mayor, can I speak?

[1:38:17] >> Absolutely. Absolutely,

[1:38:20] Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.

[1:38:21] >> I just like to respond your

[1:38:22] question similar to the wind

[1:38:24] bill. I don't even remember when

[1:38:25] we passed it. We passed a

[1:38:27] resolution initially because

[1:38:29] there were a majority of us who

[1:38:31] felt that negotiating with

[1:38:33] Fairview organization could help

[1:38:35] to protect that forest as best

[1:38:37] as possible, as was stated

[1:38:40] earlier. You know, you build on

[1:38:41] the concrete, protect as much

[1:38:43] forest. I would have to say

[1:38:44] there is not one elected

[1:38:45] official here that does not want

[1:38:46] to protect as much as possible,

[1:38:48] 100%. That would be our ultimate

[1:38:50] goal. I love the Pollyanna,

[1:38:52] there are a Pollyanna ideas, we

[1:38:54] have a beautiful, park a little

[1:38:55] mini central park, a lot of

[1:38:58] wonderful ideas of what we could

[1:38:59] do. But as Councillor Stork

[1:39:01] alluded to earlier, it's about

[1:39:02] negotiation of the people who

[1:39:03] own it. So we have to be very

[1:39:05] aware and astute and do our

[1:39:07] best. I think everyone is

[1:39:08] fighting to do our best. I don't

[1:39:10] think maybe the perception is

[1:39:11] how people are fighting may not

[1:39:13] be well understood. But not one

[1:39:16] person here doesn't want to see

[1:39:17] that protected as much as

[1:39:19] possible. Though it has been

[1:39:21] alluded to, we are also our

[1:39:23] responsible to you who elected

[1:39:24] us to make these decisions. And

[1:39:26] we hear conflicting information.

[1:39:28] Don't raise our taxes. Don't

[1:39:29] give us more, don't charge us

[1:39:31] more, give us back money. There

[1:39:32] is a cost of reset tomorrow and

[1:39:34] said, oh, we are going to go to

[1:39:36] Facebook Villa. That's why Tara

[1:39:38] asked the question, are

[1:39:39] everyone, each one of their

[1:39:40] home, are you willing to pay

[1:39:42] $20,000? $10,000? $500? That's

[1:39:45] where our impetus was to try to

[1:39:47] really glean what the citizens

[1:39:49] want. Our desire for sure, I

[1:39:51] know it's not always about

[1:39:52] money, but at the end of the

[1:39:54] day, as an elected body, we have

[1:39:56] to work within the laws that we

[1:39:57] are allowed to work within. We

[1:39:58] cannot just say, oh, we want to

[1:40:00] do this. We have protected as

[1:40:01] much as we can. Every green

[1:40:03] space available to us was

[1:40:04] already protected, even prior to

[1:40:06] this administration, so that we

[1:40:08] could do our best to keep the

[1:40:10] green spaces. So we are looking

[1:40:11] at diversifying micro forests,

[1:40:14] looking at different to do it.

[1:40:15] And like I said, every single

[1:40:16] person here would love to see it

[1:40:18] protected. But it's not just

[1:40:20] saying, okay, yes, 100% we

[1:40:22] agree. Because we have to make

[1:40:24] the decisions to protect the

[1:40:25] citizens and their desires.

[1:40:27] Everyone's sure, no problem, the

[1:40:28] sky is the limit for the cost of

[1:40:30] what we are committed, that

[1:40:31] makes our lives easy. I just do

[1:40:33] not think that everyone that I

[1:40:35] represent would maybe have the

[1:40:37] same opinion. And it goes to

[1:40:38] what was stated earlier by Mrs.

[1:40:41] Hannah. She does not agree with

[1:40:42] some of the things she stated

[1:40:43] tonight, and she is entitled to

[1:40:44] that opinion. But our

[1:40:46] responsibilities to vote on the

[1:40:47] majority of what our citizens

[1:40:48] are telling us. Because we

[1:40:49] cannot just do popcorn style

[1:40:52] decision-making based on each

[1:40:53] person's personal opinion about

[1:40:54] a topic, who may or may not know

[1:40:56] all of the information. So it's

[1:40:58] challenging. We're working hard.

[1:41:00] But I guarantee you, every

[1:41:02] single person here is about

[1:41:03] green space. We want to do

[1:41:04] better at our sustainability. We

[1:41:06] want to look for those. But we

[1:41:07] need you to come along with us.

[1:41:09] You need to be open to change.

[1:41:11] We need to -- we cannot have

[1:41:13] garbage every single week,

[1:41:15] that's against the sustainable

[1:41:16] development practices. So it has

[1:41:18] to come in together and we can't

[1:41:19] keep pushing and pulling. We

[1:41:21] have to say, okay, we are

[1:41:22] committed to this, but what does

[1:41:23] that mean for each individual?

[1:41:25] And it means a lot of different

[1:41:26] changes for each of us as

[1:41:27] individuals and families,

[1:41:29] because we want the future for

[1:41:30] our kids. We all love that.

[1:41:32] Nobody's gonna say they don't

[1:41:33] want that. So we just really

[1:41:35] have to commit to it, but it

[1:41:36] takes everyone, and guess what,

[1:41:38] some people's ideals and their

[1:41:40] own personal approaches are not

[1:41:41] gonna be able to upheld with

[1:41:42] that. So those of the

[1:41:46] challenges. But I would say

[1:41:47] everyone here wants to 100

[1:41:48] protect everything as much as

[1:41:49] possible.

[1:41:50] >> Thank you.

[1:41:52] >> Mister Mayor --

[1:41:54] >> Councillor Tremblay?

[1:41:56] >> So I support working towards

[1:41:59] saving 100% of the natural

[1:42:00] space, the amount of green

[1:42:02] spaces and natural space. Having

[1:42:05] grown up here, I can assure you

[1:42:07] that many of the natural spaces

[1:42:08] we did have available are gone.

[1:42:10] We are down to maybe a few, if

[1:42:13] you exclude terracotta, we are

[1:42:15] down to the Fairview forests and

[1:42:17] the woods in Val awe. There is

[1:42:19] not very much left. There are

[1:42:23] smatterings of green here and

[1:42:24] there, et cetera. But there is

[1:42:26] nothing left like that

[1:42:27] particular forest at the moment.

[1:42:29] It is a complex case. There is

[1:42:31] no doubt that it's complex. And

[1:42:33] these things are going to

[1:42:34] continue to get more and more

[1:42:36] complex. And we need to be able

[1:42:37] to start somewhere. And this is

[1:42:41] a excellent example of where we

[1:42:42] can start working towards

[1:42:45] getting an agreement together,

[1:42:47] again, the word I use before it

[1:42:49] was the intention, the movement

[1:42:51] towards that solution, which

[1:42:53] means working with the

[1:42:54] corporate, working with other

[1:42:55] government levels, working as a

[1:42:58] group towards wanting to do

[1:43:00] that. No ifs, ands, or buts. If

[1:43:03] the commitment is made to saving

[1:43:06] 100% of the forest with the

[1:43:08] intention of doing that, I am

[1:43:11] 100% convinced they'll be

[1:43:12] creative solutions put to the

[1:43:15] table. No one asks. There was no

[1:43:17] survey asked about

[1:43:20] Olive-Urquhart when we purchase.

[1:43:21] That there was no survey about

[1:43:22] public works and the rest of it.

[1:43:25] But the treatment that we take

[1:43:27] on natural spaces through is

[1:43:29] absolutely crazy. So we have to

[1:43:33] start to view these areas as

[1:43:34] assets for us. We are here not

[1:43:37] only to make financial

[1:43:39] decisions, but we will have to

[1:43:40] make sure that we are respectful

[1:43:42] of the health of other living

[1:43:44] things, respectful of the health

[1:43:45] and safety of people who live in

[1:43:47] this city. And it includes doing

[1:43:49] these sorts of things going

[1:43:51] forward. So this is something

[1:43:53] that I continually try to work

[1:43:55] with within Council, is to

[1:43:58] create some form of momentum,

[1:43:59] which means structuring together

[1:44:00] different ideas, different

[1:44:02] financial practices, and trying.

[1:44:04] And if we fail at that, we try

[1:44:07] again. Because I can't help but

[1:44:09] see that almost every corporate

[1:44:11] web page that I'm looking at

[1:44:13] today, they have an

[1:44:15] environmental section where they

[1:44:17] are committed to saving things

[1:44:18] and working with people and

[1:44:19] doing the right thing. The right

[1:44:20] thing has arrived. And we need

[1:44:21] to be able to do that today to

[1:44:23] work together. And in fact, if

[1:44:25] we did do that, we could be

[1:44:26] looking at a development and

[1:44:28] that particular area. The forest

[1:44:31] is known in urban speak as

[1:44:37] MU-to, the Fairview area is

[1:44:39] MU-one. We are looking at is

[1:44:40] example that can used in other

[1:44:41] cities that took the respect of

[1:44:43] the natural side of the

[1:44:44] developmental site to be able to

[1:44:45] fuse the two together. So thank

[1:44:48] you for your question.

[1:44:52] >> Just as a concluding point,

[1:44:54] or survival is more important

[1:44:56] than balancing a budget.

[1:45:03] >> Susan Weaver?

[1:45:05] >> One minutes left, Mister

[1:45:08] Mayor.

[1:45:09] >> One minute? Okay.

[1:45:25] >>

[1:45:26] , -- You said I got information

[1:45:29] from internal caucus meeting.

[1:45:31] Exact quote, newspapers, funding

[1:45:33] of a newspaper. So I went back

[1:45:35] and looked at council meetings.

[1:45:37] As you said, they are taped and

[1:45:39] filmed. Here's the timeline.

[1:45:42] July 2022, Councillor Cowan read

[1:45:46] a statement about the caucus

[1:45:47] meeting. July 31st, 2022, I sent

[1:45:51] in an application form for

[1:45:53] access to information,

[1:45:55] requesting the minutes. Villa.

[1:45:58] And I double checked myself,

[1:46:00] thereby giving you the benefit

[1:46:02] of the doubt. I received from

[1:46:04] the city limits with the mayor's

[1:46:08] remarks, which for $5,000 in

[1:46:10] publication to Pointe-Claire

[1:46:12] journal, rejected by all

[1:46:14] councils. Now, I have that here,

[1:46:17] here it is. And August 16th,

[1:46:21] 2022, the council meeting, I

[1:46:24] mentioned it and so did many

[1:46:25] other citizens. You like to say

[1:46:28] that you are the first time

[1:46:30] mayor but it is common knowledge

[1:46:32] that one can have access to

[1:46:33] information at all levels of

[1:46:35] government, and you should know

[1:46:37] that. Again, you made up a story

[1:46:39] to protect yourself and to

[1:46:41] backup a false accusation. So my

[1:46:44] question is, now if you'd like

[1:46:46] the problem to go away, would

[1:46:48] you apologize to all whom you

[1:46:50] accused?

[1:46:51] >> Ms. Weaver, I've already

[1:46:53] spoken to this, and this is

[1:46:54] asked and answered about three

[1:46:56] times. But to go back to the

[1:46:57] notes on the Mayor's remark, it

[1:46:59] is weaver, you ask your

[1:47:03] question. Time is over, okay.

[1:47:06] You quoted a remark made by me

[1:47:09] that in fact was not made by me.

[1:47:13] And the comment that was made by

[1:47:15] me through access actually said

[1:47:17] $5,000 refuted. It wasn't pay

[1:47:21] him and make him go away. You

[1:47:22] actually quoted the wrong

[1:47:25] comment, which suggests to me

[1:47:26] that you have inside knowledge.

[1:47:28] >> What was the comment?

[1:47:29] >> We've asked and answered this

[1:47:31] already, Miss Weaver. Miss

[1:47:32] Weaver, we've asked and answered

[1:47:33] this already. Thank you, is

[1:47:36] weaver. Thank you, Miss Weaver.

[1:47:37] >> And what was the comment?

[1:47:38] >> Thank you, Miss Weaver. I

[1:47:40] just read it to you. We can

[1:47:42] watch it on the webcast

[1:47:43] tomorrow.

[1:47:44] >> I watch the webcast, and I

[1:47:45] thought all -- the

[1:47:46] >> Miss Weaver, Miss Weaver,

[1:47:48] thank you Miss Weaver.

[1:47:49] >> I read all the application,

[1:47:50] so before you speak out in the

[1:47:52] newspaper, you better --

[1:47:53] >> Thank, you Miss Huber. So

[1:47:57] we've run out of time,

[1:47:58] unfortunately. Okay. And that's

[1:48:01] it. And let me point out that

[1:48:04] the duration, a lot of the

[1:48:05] duration of the meeting was

[1:48:07] carried by councillors remarks.

[1:48:09] And there were councillor spoke

[1:48:10] to a lot of the questions.

[1:48:12] Please bear that in mind. I

[1:48:14] know, I know. And I found a lot

[1:48:16] of them quite lengthy. So where

[1:48:18] do you draw the line on all

[1:48:20] these folks? Just letting you

[1:48:22] know, the Mayor's dilemma is a

[1:48:25] tricky one. Okay, let's continue

[1:48:27] with the agenda.

[1:48:32] >> 5.1 Notice of motion and

[1:48:33] filing of a draft By-law on the

[1:48:34] use of drinking water. The main

[1:48:35] objective of this bylaws to

[1:48:36] govern the use of drinking water

[1:48:37] where the purpose of preserving

[1:48:38] the quality and quantity of the

[1:48:40] Resource. Among other things, it

[1:48:42] covers connections and the main

[1:48:43] ways in which people use water,

[1:48:45] such as water and filling

[1:48:47] swimming pools. 5.2 Avis de

[1:48:50] motion et d?p?t d'un projet de

[1:48:51] R?glement divisant le territoire

[1:48:52] de la ville de Pointe-Claire en

[1:48:53] districts ?lectoraux. L'ann?e

[1:48:55] qui pr?c?de l'ann?e d'une

[1:48:57] ?lection g?n?rale, le conseil

[1:48:58] doit s'assurer que le nombre

[1:48:59] d'?lecteurs par district

[1:49:01] respectent les ratios pr?vus ?

[1:49:02] la Loi sur les ?lections et les

[1:49:03] r?f?rendums. Apr?s r?vision,

[1:49:05] trois districts ne respecte plus

[1:49:06] les ratios, ? savoir les

[1:49:09] districts quatre, cinq et six.

[1:49:11] Ces trois districts ont d? ?tre

[1:49:13] rediviser afin de respecter la

[1:49:14] loi. Un plan sera publi? sur le

[1:49:15] site Web de la ville au cours

[1:49:16] des prochains jours pour

[1:49:18] illustrer les changements. Les

[1:49:20] citoyens disposent d'un d?lai de

[1:49:21] 15 jours pour s'opposer. 5.3

[1:49:25] Notice of motion and filing of a

[1:49:26] draft by-law amending By-law

[1:49:29] PC-2962 decreeing the exigibles

[1:49:30] tariffs for the financing of

[1:49:31] properties, services and

[1:49:32] activities offered by the City

[1:49:33] of Pointe-Claire, for fiscal

[1:49:34] year 2024. The bylaw is amended

[1:49:37] to add a corporate rate for

[1:49:39] memberships of ten or more

[1:49:41] employees at the Olive-Urquhart

[1:49:42] Sports Centre.

[1:49:43] 5.4 Avis de motion et d?p?t d'un

[1:49:44] projet de R?glement modifiant le

[1:49:45] r?glement PC-2957 sur les

[1:49:48] Projets particuliers de

[1:49:49] construction, de modification ou

[1:49:50] d'occupation d'un immeuble

[1:49:52] (PPCMOI)

[1:49:53] . Il y a lieu de modifier le

[1:49:58] r?glement PC-2957 intitul?

[1:49:59] projet particulier de

[1:50:00] construction, de modification ou

[1:50:02] d'occupation de immeuble

[1:50:03] pourrait trancher l'article

[1:50:07] 1.3.4 de

[1:50:08] (---)

[1:50:09] la tarification. Ce r?glement a

[1:50:10] ?t?

[1:50:11] (---)

[1:50:12] r?glement? ces 29 62, quels

[1:50:13] r?glements sur les tarifs

[1:50:14] municipaux, lequel est

[1:50:15] r?guli?rement modifi?. >> Who

[1:50:17] moved these notices of notion

[1:50:18] from 5.1 to 5.4?

[1:50:22] >> -- District to.

[1:50:23] >> 5.5, adoption of draft bylaw

[1:50:27] dividing the city of municipal

[1:50:29] districts.

[1:50:31] - 5.6 Adoption d'un projet de

[1:50:32] R?glement modifiant le r?glement

[1:50:33] PC-2957 sur les Projets

[1:50:34] particuliers de construction, de

[1:50:35] modification ou d'occupation

[1:50:36] d'un immeuble

[1:50:37] (PPCMOI)

[1:50:38] .

[1:50:41] - Pour 5,5 et 5,6.

[1:50:43] Do I have a mover?

[1:50:44] - Oui, Monsieur le Maire..

[1:50:45] Bruno Tremblay, Seigniory. >>

[1:50:47] Seconder?

[1:50:49] >>, Brett Cowan, district eight.

[1:50:51] - Merci. >> Received. 6.1

[1:50:56] Authorize the City of

[1:50:57] Pointe-Claire to lend equipment

[1:50:58] to the Teresa Dellar Palliative

[1:50:59] Care Residence for the Course

[1:51:00] pour la compassion. The

[1:51:01] fund-raiser event, the Course

[1:51:03] pour la compassion will be held

[1:51:04] incident 21st, 2024, starting in

[1:51:06] Valois park. For the purpose of

[1:51:07] -- the palliative care residence

[1:51:09] has requested the City of

[1:51:11] Pointe-Claire land the

[1:51:12] equipment. 6.2 Autoriser la

[1:51:13] ville de Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter

[1:51:14] des ?quipements aux

[1:51:15] organisateurs du Tournoi de

[1:51:16] soccer s?nior Coach Phil.

[1:51:19] L'?v?nement lev?e le fonds du

[1:51:20] tournoi de soccer senior coach

[1:51:21] Phil, en collaboration avec

[1:51:23] soccer Pointe-Claire, et aux

[1:51:24] profits exclusifs de la soci?t?

[1:51:26] de la SLA du Qu?bec, aura lieu

[1:51:28] le huit et 9 juin 2024 dans le

[1:51:31] parc Terra-Cotta.

[1:51:34] - Pour 6,1 6,2. Do I have a

[1:51:35] mover?

[1:51:39] >> And seconder?

[1:51:41] >> Since the Homan, district

[1:51:44] five.

[1:51:45] >> All in favour?

[1:51:48] >> 6.3 Authorize the City of

[1:51:49] Pointe-Claire to lend equipment

[1:51:50] to the West Island Citizen

[1:51:52] Advocacy for The Garden Tour

[1:51:53] event. The event the garden to

[1:51:56] organize and for the benefit of

[1:51:57] the West Island citizen advocacy

[1:51:58] will be held on June 1st, 2024,

[1:52:00] at 152 Concord Crescent Avenue

[1:52:03] in Pointe-Claire.

[1:52:07] - 6.4 Autoriser la ville de

[1:52:08] Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter des

[1:52:09] ?quipements ? la Soci?t?

[1:52:10] d'horticulture de Pointe-Claire

[1:52:11] ainsi qu'un don de 12 plantes

[1:52:13] pour leur vente de plante

[1:52:14] annuelle. Une vente de plantes

[1:52:16] organis?es au profit de la

[1:52:17] soci?t? d'horticulture de

[1:52:19] Pointe-Claire aura lieu le 25

[1:52:20] mai 2024 dans le stationnement

[1:52:22] de la Plaza Pointe-Claire.

[1:52:26] >> 6.5 Grant financial support

[1:52:27] to various non-profit

[1:52:28] organizations for a total amount

[1:52:29] of $ 157,375. Monetary and non

[1:52:34] monetary donations are made to

[1:52:35] organizations that provide

[1:52:36] services to the citizens of

[1:52:39] Pointe-Claire.

[1:52:40] >> For 6.3 to 6.5, do I have a

[1:52:43] mover?

[1:52:45] >> And seconder?

[1:52:48] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[1:52:49] district three.

[1:52:50] >> All in favour?

[1:52:51] >> Received.

[1:52:53] - C'est clair qu'un, imposer le

[1:52:58] proc?s-verbal de la r?union du

[1:53:00] 22 f?vrier 2024 du Comit?

[1:53:01] consultatif de la Biblioth?que

[1:53:02] de Pointe-Claire.

[1:53:03] >> 7.2 File the minutes of the

[1:53:04] February 28, 2024, meeting of

[1:53:05] the Youth Advisory Board.. 7.3

[1:53:06] D?poser le proc?s-verbal de la

[1:53:07] r?union du 27 mars 2024 du

[1:53:08] Comit? consultatif de Stewart

[1:53:09] Hall.

[1:53:13] 7.4 Appoint a replacement member

[1:53:14] of the Canoe Kayak Club Inc. It

[1:53:16] was recommended to propose a

[1:53:18] nomination of Madame Catharine

[1:53:19] diverse as a board member from

[1:53:20] the eighth, 2024, to December

[1:53:23] 31st, 2025.

[1:53:26] - 7.5 Nommer de nouveaux membres

[1:53:27] et renouveler les mandats des

[1:53:28] membres existants au sein du

[1:53:29] Comit? consultatif sur

[1:53:30] l'environnement et le

[1:53:31] d?veloppement durable. Le comit?

[1:53:32] recommande le renouvellement des

[1:53:33] mandats de monsieur Gary Peter

[1:53:34] et madame Patricia Bovet,

[1:53:37] citoyens ayant un droit de vote,

[1:53:39] pour des mandats de 2 ans, soit

[1:53:40] du 30 avril 2024 au 30 avril

[1:53:43] 2026. Le comit? recommande aussi

[1:53:44] la nomination de deux employ?s

[1:53:46] sans droit de vote, ce soir

[1:53:47] madame Allison surveiller et

[1:53:49] monsieur Gilles Girouard.

[1:53:51] - Pour 7,4 et 7,5. >>?

[1:53:57] >> Cynthia Homan,.

[1:53:59] >> Eric Stork,.

[1:54:02] >> All countries?

[1:54:06] >> 9.1 Adopt the Parks and Green

[1:54:07] Spaces Plan. The plan presents a

[1:54:10] portrait of the city's park and

[1:54:11] to find them in different

[1:54:12] categories according to the

[1:54:13] characteristics of each one. The

[1:54:14] park inventory reflects the

[1:54:15] coverage of the territory by

[1:54:17] district. The plan also presents

[1:54:19] a portrait of sports and leisure

[1:54:21] facility and outlines current

[1:54:23] trends in sports and recreation

[1:54:25] element infrastructure.

[1:54:27] - 9.2 Se pr?valoir de l'option

[1:54:28] de renouvellement pr?vue au

[1:54:29] contrat intervenu avec BL?

[1:54:30] CREATIVE, pour l'ann?e 2025, au

[1:54:32] montant de 40 824,17 $, taxes

[1:54:34] incluses, pour le d?veloppement,

[1:54:36] la mise ? jour et l'entretien du

[1:54:38] site Web de la Ville. Compte

[1:54:40] tenu des difficult?s li?es ? la

[1:54:42] maintenance et aux mises ? jour

[1:54:43] du syst?me, les d?penses pour

[1:54:48] l'ann?e 2024 seront sup?rieures

[1:54:50] aux montants d?j? pr?vus. Il

[1:54:51] devient n?cessaire de nous

[1:54:52] pr?valoir d?s maintenant de

[1:54:53] l'option de renouvellement

[1:54:54] pr?vue en 2025 au montant de 40

[1:54:57] 824,17 $, afin de permettre le

[1:55:00] paiement des factures pour

[1:55:01] l'ann?e en cours. Un appel

[1:55:02] d'offres est pr?sentement en

[1:55:03] cours pour le d?veloppement du

[1:55:04] nouveau site Web.

[1:55:07] >> For 9.1 to 9.2, do I have a

[1:55:10] mover?

[1:55:11] >> I will move on 9.1, but

[1:55:12] because of the voting pattern, I

[1:55:14] think -- a 9.2, so I moved night

[1:55:17] by one.

[1:55:18] >> Do have a seconder for 9.1?

[1:55:21] >> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,

[1:55:22] district four.

[1:55:23] >> All in favour?

[1:55:27] >> What's that, Mr. Cousineau?

[1:55:29] >> I have a comment, because I

[1:55:30] will be voting against it. I

[1:55:31] don't like the part where the

[1:55:36] shorelines, the way the

[1:55:37] shorelines are being treated

[1:55:38] right now. So I will be voting

[1:55:41] against. Thank you.

[1:55:43] >> Okay. So for 9.1, do I have a

[1:55:47] mover? Moved and seconded, okay,

[1:55:50] all in favour? And against?

[1:55:55] - Parfait.

[1:55:56] - 9,2.

[1:55:57] >> Brent Cowan, district eight,

[1:55:58] I move 9.2.

[1:56:00] >> And seconder?

[1:56:01] >> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,

[1:56:03] district four.

[1:56:04] >> All in favour?

[1:56:06] - Merci. >> 10.1 File the list

[1:56:09] of budget amendments and the

[1:56:11] register of cheques for the

[1:56:12] period of March 25, 2024, to

[1:56:13] April 28, 2024.

[1:56:17] - 10.2 D?poser le rapport

[1:56:18] financier 2023 et le rapport du

[1:56:19] v?rificateur externe pour

[1:56:21] l'exercice financier 2023, ainsi

[1:56:22] que d'en autoriser la

[1:56:23] publication sur le site web de

[1:56:24] la Ville. >> 10.3 Authorize the

[1:56:29] Treasurer to proceed with the

[1:56:30] assignment of the 2023 surplus.

[1:56:32] The surplus for fiscal year 2023

[1:56:35] being $23,988,633 is here the

[1:56:41] allocation recommendation,

[1:56:43] recommendations, sorry, there

[1:56:44] are three, a balance of 50

[1:56:46] million allocated to the reserve

[1:56:47] for the payment of refinancing

[1:56:49] schedule for 2026. There is also

[1:56:52] a recommendation considering

[1:56:53] there is no balance allocated to

[1:56:54] working capital if the balance

[1:56:56] of the fund is currently

[1:56:57] sufficient to ensure the

[1:56:58] financing of various projects

[1:57:00] that will appear on the future

[1:57:01] capital investment plan. And

[1:57:03] there are different assignments

[1:57:05] to specific projects.

[1:57:07] - Pour 10,3. Do I have a mover?

[1:57:10] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[1:57:11] >> And seconder?

[1:57:14] >> Tara Stainforth, district

[1:57:15] four.

[1:57:16] >> All in favour?

[1:57:18] - Merci.

[1:57:20] - 11.1 Autoriser la Ville de

[1:57:21] Pointe-Claire ? participer au

[1:57:22] regroupement d'achat commun de

[1:57:23] produits d'assurances pour les

[1:57:24] cyber-risques. La demande

[1:57:25] d'autorisation est pour la

[1:57:26] signature d'une nouvelle entente

[1:57:28] d'une dur?e de 50, soit du 1er

[1:57:30] juillet 2024 au 1er juillet

[1:57:32] 2029. C'est entendu parler aux

[1:57:35] municipalit?s qui font partie du

[1:57:36] regroupement d'obtenir des

[1:57:37] soumissions communes, afin

[1:57:38] d'acheter des produits

[1:57:39] d'assurance pour les

[1:57:40] cyber-risques ? meilleur co?t.

[1:57:42] 11.2 Approve the transfer of lot

[1:57:44] 5 491 751 of the Cadastre of

[1:57:46] Qu?bec for municipal

[1:57:47] infrastructure purposes. This

[1:57:48] lot is located at 2048 sources

[1:57:53] Beaufort and forms the corn with

[1:57:54] Hymus Boulevard. The city plans

[1:57:56] to redevelop the -- as part of

[1:57:58] the station for the REM that

[1:57:59] transfers free of charge.

[1:58:02] - 11.3 Ordonner ? la greffi?re

[1:58:03] ou toute autre personne mandat?e

[1:58:05] par celle-ci de vendre ?

[1:58:06] l'ench?re publique les immeubles

[1:58:07] indiqu?s ? l'?tat dress? par le

[1:58:08] tr?sorier et sur lesquels des

[1:58:11] taxes impos?es n'ont pas ?t?

[1:58:12] pay?es en tout ou en partie.

[1:58:14] Conform?ment ? la loi et ? la

[1:58:15] politique de perception des

[1:58:16] taxes et de recouvrement des

[1:58:18] arr?rages de taxes, la Ville

[1:58:20] entreprend, par la pr?sente

[1:58:21] r?solution, la proc?dure de

[1:58:23] recouvrement aupr?s des

[1:58:24] propri?taires en d?faut de payer

[1:58:25] des montants... les montants dus

[1:58:28] depuis le 30 septembre 2023 ou

[1:58:30] ant?rieures. La vente aux

[1:58:31] ench?res est pr?vu le 27 juin

[1:58:33] 2024 ? 9 heures. Tu t'immeubles

[1:58:35] pour lesquels des taxes n'auront

[1:58:37] pas ?t? pay?es en tout ou en

[1:58:38] partie ? cette date pourront y

[1:58:40] ?tre vendus.

[1:58:53] >> It's been a long day, I start

[1:58:54] work at seven something. Tara

[1:58:56] Stainforth, district four.

[1:58:57] >> All in favour?

[1:58:59] - Merci. >> 12.1 File the list

[1:59:01] of delegated staff changes for

[1:59:02] the month of May 2024.

[1:59:07] - 12.2 Approuver la liste des

[1:59:08] changements au personnel par

[1:59:09] d?cisions non d?l?gu?es au 7 mai

[1:59:10] 2024.

[1:59:12] - Pour 12,2. To have a mover?

[1:59:15] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[1:59:16] >> And seconder?

[1:59:18] >> Tara Stainforth, district

[1:59:19] four.

[1:59:20] >> All in favour?

[1:59:24] >> 14.1 Award a contract for the

[1:59:25] repair of unistone sidewalks, to

[1:59:27] 9042-0845 QU?BEC INC. Also known

[1:59:31] as MARIO C. ET FILS for the 2024

[1:59:33] season, for a total amount of $

[1:59:37] 27,938.93, taxes included, with

[1:59:38] one optional season. The repair

[1:59:40] of the unit stone sidewalks

[1:59:42] mostly in the two villages

[1:59:43] ensures there are safe for

[1:59:45] pedestrians as well as providing

[1:59:47] durability and --

[1:59:49] - 14.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

[1:59:50] le nettoyage des ?gouts et des

[1:59:51] puisards pour la p?riode de mai

[1:59:53] 2024 ? avril 2025, ? SOLUTIONS

[1:59:54] ENVRIONNEMENTALES 360 QU?BEC

[1:59:55] LT?E, pour un montant total de

[1:59:57] 165 239,77 $, taxes incluses,

[2:00:00] avec une p?riode en option. Les

[2:00:03] ?gouts et les bassins de

[2:00:04] r?tention peuvent ?tre obstru?s

[2:00:05] par des d?bris tels que des

[2:00:06] faits, des d?chets et des

[2:00:08] s?diments. Un nettoyage r?gulier

[2:00:09] permet d'?viter des obstructions

[2:00:11] et de s'assurer que l'eau

[2:00:14] s'?coule librement, r?duisant

[2:00:15] ainsi le risque d'inondations et

[2:00:17] d'odeur. >> 14.3 Award a

[2:00:19] contract for the supply and the

[2:00:21] delivery of automotive

[2:00:22] maintenance parts for light and

[2:00:23] heavy vehicles, to UAP INC. VIA

[2:00:27] TRACTION ST-LAURENT for the lots

[2:00:28] A, B, C, E, F, H and I, for a

[2:00:32] total amount of $214,405.30,

[2:00:38] taxes included, and to also

[2:00:40] order a contract to PI?CES

[2:00:41] D'AUTOS HYMUS also known as

[2:00:44] ENTREP?T DE MONTR?AL 1470 INC.

[2:00:45] For the lots D and G, for a

[2:00:46] total amount of $ 105,166.09,

[2:00:49] taxes included.

[2:00:53] - 14.4 Approuver une

[2:00:54] modification au contrat

[2:00:55] intervenu avec P?PINI?RE JARDIN

[2:00:56] 2000 INC., Pour la fourniture et

[2:00:57] la livraison d'arbres en pot

[2:00:58] pour le Jour de la terre

[2:00:59] (Lot B)

[2:01:00] , pour un montant de 1 006,03 $,

[2:01:01] taxes incluses. 25 arbres

[2:01:04] suppl?mentaires ont ?t? ajout?s

[2:01:05] pour r?pondre aux besoins des

[2:01:07] citoyens. >> 14.5 Approve an

[2:01:08] agreement to be entered into

[2:01:12] with PROJET REM S.E.C regarding

[2:01:13] planting and maintenance of

[2:01:15] trees in the planting area. In

[2:01:17] accordance with rams forestry

[2:01:19] compensation obligations, the

[2:01:20] room covers a planting with

[2:01:22] approximately 142 trees on the

[2:01:25] median strip of the southeast

[2:01:26] access road from Highway 42

[2:01:28] Saint-Jean Boulevard.

[2:01:30] - 14.6 Confirmer l'adh?sion de

[2:01:31] la Ville de Pointe-Claire au

[2:01:32] regroupement des villes pour les

[2:01:33] appels d'offres qui seront

[2:01:34] pr?par?s par la Ville de

[2:01:35] Montr?al pour les abrasifs ainsi

[2:01:36] que le sel de d?gla?age pour la

[2:01:38] saison 2024-2025. La quantit?

[2:01:41] annuelle approximative est

[2:01:42] d'environ 8000 tonnes, mais peut

[2:01:44] varier ? la hausse ou ? la

[2:01:45] baisse en fonction des

[2:01:46] changements climatiques. >> For

[2:01:49] 14.1 to 14.6, do I have a mover?

[2:01:52] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[2:01:54] >> And seconder?

[2:01:55] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[2:01:56] district three.

[2:01:57] >> All in favour?

[2:01:58] >> Thank you. 15.1 Exercise the

[2:02:02] renewal option provided for in

[2:02:03] the contract entered into with

[2:02:04] SANI-D?P?T DIVISION DU GROUPE

[2:02:05] DISSAN, for the period of June

[2:02:08] 1, 2024, to May 31, 2025, in the

[2:02:09] amount of $97,353.79

[2:02:17] , taxes included, for the supply

[2:02:18] and the delivery of janitorial

[2:02:19] products.

[2:02:20] - 15.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:02:21] des travaux de toiture aux

[2:02:22] chalets de parc Cedar et Ovide,

[2:02:24] ? GROUPE CIRTECH INC., Pour un

[2:02:25] montant total de 688 700,25 $,

[2:02:27] taxes incluses. Les toitures

[2:02:30] sont v?tus ces n?cessitent des

[2:02:32] travaux pour ?viter les

[2:02:34] infiltrations d'eau et autres

[2:02:35] incidents. >> 15.3 Award a

[2:02:36] contract for the maintenance of

[2:02:39] municipal buildings for the

[2:02:40] period of May 2024 to April

[2:02:41] 2025, to GROUPE MARLEB INC., For

[2:02:44] a total amount of $65,989.90,

[2:02:47] taxes included, with two

[2:02:48] optional years.

[2:02:52] - 15.4 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:02:53] la fourniture et la livraison de

[2:02:54] pi?ces ?lectriques pour la

[2:02:55] p?riode de mai 2024 ? mai 2025,

[2:02:56] ? LUMEN, DIVISION DE SONEPAR

[2:02:57] CANADA INC., Pour un montant

[2:02:58] total de 153 082,75 $, taxes

[2:03:03] incluses, avec deux ann?es en

[2:03:04] option. >> 15.5 Award a contract

[2:03:08] for professional services for

[2:03:09] the renovation of the locker

[2:03:12] rooms and offices at the Aquatic

[2:03:13] Center, to RIOPEL DION ST-MARTIN

[2:03:14] INC., For a total amount of

[2:03:20] $766,538.33, taxes included.

[2:03:22] This contract for professional

[2:03:23] services required to prepare the

[2:03:25] plants for the work, as well

[2:03:26] supervision construction.

[2:03:28] - 15.6 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:03:29] des travaux d'entretien et de

[2:03:30] r?paration du syst?me

[2:03:31] frigorifique ? l'ammoniac

[2:03:32] Ecochill ? l'ar?na Bob Birnie

[2:03:35] pour les p?riodes de mai 2024 ?

[2:03:36] avril 2025, et de mai 2025 ?

[2:03:37] avril 2026, ? CIMCO

[2:03:39] R?FRIG?RATION, DIVISION TOROMONT

[2:03:40] INDUSTRIES LTD., Pour un montant

[2:03:43] total de 206 776,79 $, taxes

[2:03:50] incluses, avec trois p?riodes en

[2:03:51] option. >> 15.7 Approve a change

[2:03:55] order to the contract entered

[2:03:56] into with CONSTRUCTION CPB INC.,

[2:03:59] For the extension and renovation

[2:04:00] of Public Works, for an amount

[2:04:02] of $113,595.82, taxes included.

[2:04:08] Modifications include

[2:04:09] architectural, electrical,

[2:04:11] structural, and civil

[2:04:12] engineering works.

[2:04:15] - Pour 15,1 a 15,7. Do I have a

[2:04:18] mover?

[2:04:19] >> Mister Mayor, would you like

[2:04:21] to -- would you please isolate

[2:04:24] the 15.7, because I will be

[2:04:26] withholding no.

[2:04:27] >> Okay, so far 15.1 to 15.6, do

[2:04:31] I have a mover?

[2:04:33] >> Bruno Tremblay, district six.

[2:04:35] >> And seconder?

[2:04:43] All in favour? For 15.7, Mr.

[2:04:47] Cousineau? Await, do I have a

[2:04:49] mover?

[2:04:50] >> Bruno Tremblay, district. Six

[2:04:51] >> And a seconder?

[2:04:53] >> -- Senate, district two.

[2:04:57] Monsieur Cousineau, vous

[2:04:58] voudriez expliquer?

[2:05:03] >> Yeah, I think consist about

[2:05:04] this project the public work

[2:05:06] building. And I vote know all

[2:05:09] along. One of the reasons is

[2:05:10] that I came in and I think I had

[2:05:14] knowledge of that file for one

[2:05:18] caucus and then it was voted on,

[2:05:22] the 25 million was voted on the

[2:05:24] next meeting. So I did not have

[2:05:28] enough information in the amount

[2:05:30] was not appealing to me. Thank

[2:05:34] you.

[2:05:35] >> For 15.7, all in favour?

[2:05:38] Against?

[2:05:39] - Merci. >> Thank you.

[2:05:49] - 16.1 Se pr?valoir de l'option

[2:05:50] de renouvellement pr?vue au

[2:05:51] contrat intervenu avec SANIVAC,

[2:05:52] pour l'ann?e 2024, au montant de

[2:05:53] 117 996,69 $, taxes incluses,

[2:05:54] pour des travaux d'inspection

[2:05:55] t?l?vis?e des r?seaux pluviaux

[2:05:56] et sanitaires de diverses rues.

[2:05:57] 16.2 Award a contract for --

[2:06:03] >> 16.2 Award a contract for

[2:06:05] resurfacing works and sidewalk

[2:06:06] construction on Belmont Avenue

[2:06:09] between Coolbreeze and

[2:06:10] Saddlewood avenues, to ROXBORO

[2:06:11] EXCAVATION INC., For a total

[2:06:14] amount of $ 598,694.08, taxes

[2:06:15] included. The lighting on the

[2:06:20] section will also be completely

[2:06:21] replaced.

[2:06:23] - 16.3 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:06:24] le remplacement des

[2:06:25] raccordements de services du

[2:06:26] chalet du parc Arthur-S?guin, ?

[2:06:27] CONSTRUCTION CAMARA, pour un

[2:06:28] montant total de 203 270,05 $,

[2:06:30] taxes incluses. Le travail

[2:06:33] consiste ? abandonner et enlever

[2:06:35] les tuyaux existants, fournir et

[2:06:38] installer de nouveaux tuyaux,

[2:06:39] r?aliser tous les raccordements

[2:06:41] n?cessaires et r?parer ce qui

[2:06:42] sera endommag?. >> 16.4 Award a

[2:06:43] contract for professional

[2:06:46] services for geotechnical

[2:06:47] studies, environmental

[2:06:49] characterization and material

[2:06:51] quality control for municipal

[2:06:54] infrastructure rehabilitation

[2:06:55] for 2024, to GROUPE ABS INC.,

[2:06:58] For a total amount of

[2:07:01] $773,691.78, taxes included,

[2:07:02] with two optional years. This

[2:07:06] includes the approval of

[2:07:07] technical data sheets for

[2:07:08] various construction materials

[2:07:09] and on site testing. It will

[2:07:12] perform drilling and analysis

[2:07:14] for the preparation of Gia

[2:07:15] technical and environmental

[2:07:17] reports to assist in the design

[2:07:18] of future projects, provide

[2:07:21] expertise in the analysis and

[2:07:22] handling of contaminated soils,

[2:07:24] carry out analysis of stock

[2:07:26] files in the public works yard

[2:07:28] on a bimonthly basis, and

[2:07:30] provide environmental reports to

[2:07:31] ensure that materials are stored

[2:07:34] and processed accordingly.

[2:07:37] - 16.5 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:07:38] la correction du drainage du

[2:07:39] terrain de tennis Clearpoint, ?

[2:07:42] 9378-6549 QC INC.

[2:07:44] (EXCAVATION D. JOMPHE)

[2:07:45] , Pour un montant total de 79

[2:07:47] 653,09 $, taxes incluses. Le

[2:07:51] projet consiste ? enlever la

[2:07:53] r?gle d'asphalte existante et

[2:07:56] reprocherez les foss?s existants

[2:07:58] pour faciliter l'?coulement

[2:07:59] d'eau vers les conduites

[2:08:01] d'entrer en b?ton, raccorder un

[2:08:03] tuyau plus vert en b?ton de 900

[2:08:06] millim?tres existants sur le

[2:08:07] site. >> 16.6 Award a contract

[2:08:08] for the refurbishment of the

[2:08:10] Lansdowne, Cedar and Kinsmen

[2:08:13] park playgrounds, to TESSIER

[2:08:14] R?CR?O-PARC INC., For a total

[2:08:16] amount of $ 450,421.50, taxes

[2:08:20] included. The work includes

[2:08:23] demolition and replacement of

[2:08:24] existing playground equipment,

[2:08:26] play services, drainage system,

[2:08:28] and pathways.

[2:08:30] - 16.7 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:08:31] des services professionnels pour

[2:08:32] la r?fection d'un terrain de

[2:08:33] balles et de terrain

[2:08:34] tennis-pickleball au parc

[2:08:35] Arthur-S?guin, ? GROUPE CIVITAS

[2:08:37] INC., Pour un montant total de

[2:08:40] 79 965,11 $, taxes incluses. Ce

[2:08:44] contrat vise la pr?paration des

[2:08:45] plans et devis dans le but de

[2:08:46] faire la r?fection du terrain de

[2:08:48] tennis, du terrain de baseball,

[2:08:50] j'ai l'?clairage, les plateaux

[2:08:51] sportifs et de la circulation

[2:08:52] entre ces ?l?ments du parc

[2:08:54] Arthur S?guin.

[2:08:56] - Pour 16,1 ? 16,7. To have a

[2:08:59] mover?

[2:09:00] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[2:09:02] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[2:09:03] district three.

[2:09:05] >> All in favour?

[2:09:07] - Merci. >> 17.1 Amend

[2:09:11] resolution 2024-180 in order to

[2:09:13] modify the conditions authorized

[2:09:14] to SPAIP at 80 Broadview Avenue.

[2:09:17] It is necessary to amend the

[2:09:21] resolution resolution 2024-180

[2:09:22] to the condition related to the

[2:09:23] cement.

[2:09:24] - 17.2 Consid?rer les plans

[2:09:25] d'implantation et d'int?gration

[2:09:26] architecturale relatifs ? la

[2:09:27] propri?t? situ?e au 12, avenue

[2:09:28] Coolbreeze. Pour une d?molition

[2:09:30] et une nouvelle construction. >>

[2:09:31] 17.3 Consider the site planning

[2:09:32] and architectural integration

[2:09:34] programme plans with respect to

[2:09:36] the property situated at 412

[2:09:37] Delmar Avenue. They are exterior

[2:09:40] renovations.

[2:09:42] - 17.4 Consid?rer les plans

[2:09:43] d'implantation et d'int?gration

[2:09:44] architecturale relatifs ? la

[2:09:45] propri?t? situ?e au 44, avenue

[2:09:46] Drayton. Pour une r?novation et

[2:09:49] r?novation ext?rieurs. >> 17.5

[2:09:52] Consider the site planning and

[2:09:54] architectural integration

[2:09:55] programme plans with respect to

[2:09:56] the property situated at 13

[2:09:57] avenue Julien. Demolition and

[2:09:59] new construction.

[2:10:03] [Inaudible]

[2:10:16] >> Okay, pertaining to one of

[2:10:19] these --

[2:10:20] [Inaudible]

[2:10:22] I believe she is allowed to

[2:10:24] speak to 17.5 in this meeting.

[2:10:28] >> According to our bylaw, no.

[2:10:43] [Inaudible]

[2:10:45] >> You can't hear anything? You

[2:10:47] can't hear what's being said?

[2:10:52] >> The question period is over,

[2:10:54] insistence cannot convene.

[2:10:55] >> You can bring a question to

[2:10:56] the next question period, for

[2:10:58] sure.

[2:11:00] [Inaudible]

[2:11:13] >> Sadly.

[2:11:20] Apparently not, this question,

[2:11:23] you can bring it to the next

[2:11:25] meeting.

[2:11:26] [Inaudible]

[2:11:27] >> Oh, carry the clause, the

[2:11:28] whole issue, 17.5 --

[2:11:43] >> Can we carry it forward?

[2:11:45] >> If you to withdraw the item,

[2:11:47] we have a mover, propose or --

[2:11:49] >> Do I have a mover to withdraw

[2:11:50] the item of 17.4, the one you

[2:11:53] would like, 0.5?

[2:11:55] >> You can move it yourself, but

[2:11:57] you need a seconder.

[2:11:58] >> I moved to have 17.5 moved to

[2:12:01] the next meeting. Do I have a

[2:12:03] seconder?

[2:12:09] >> Are you the owner the

[2:12:10] property? I'm sorry.

[2:12:13] [Inaudible]

[2:12:19] >> Maybe go to the microphone.

[2:12:21] >> We will move the microphone

[2:12:22] because the question period is

[2:12:24] over.

[2:12:25] >> Are we over, like -- I moved.

[2:12:27] >> But no one seconded.

[2:12:30] >> We have no seconder. Do we

[2:12:31] have no seconder for moving 17

[2:12:33] point -- now?

[2:12:37] >> I move in 17.1 and 17.5.

[2:12:42] >> You need to vote on 17.1 to

[2:12:45] 17.5, please.

[2:12:46] >> Do I have a mover? Have we a

[2:12:48] mover and a seconder? I forget.

[2:12:50] Do I have a mover for 17.1 to

[2:12:54] 17.5?

[2:12:56] >> Claude Cousineau, district

[2:12:58] one.

[2:12:59] >> And seconder?

[2:13:00] >> Cynthia Homan, district five.

[2:13:01] >> All in favour?

[2:13:08] - 17.6 Consid?rer les plans

[2:13:09] d'implantation et d'int?gration

[2:13:10] architecturale relatifs ? la

[2:13:11] propri?te situ?e au 53, avenue

[2:13:12] Queen. Pour des r?novations

[2:13:15] ext?rieures.

[2:13:16] >> 17.7 Consider the site

[2:13:17] planning and architectural

[2:13:18] integration programme plans with

[2:13:19] respect to the property situated

[2:13:21] at 434 Saint-Louis Avenue. It is

[2:13:24] exterior renovations.

[2:13:28] - 17.8 Consid?rer les plans

[2:13:29] d'implantation et d'int?gration

[2:13:30] architecturale relatifs ? la

[2:13:31] propri?t? situ?e au 10, avenue

[2:13:32] Victoria. Pour une excavation et

[2:13:36] des r?novations ext?rieures. >>

[2:13:37] 17.9 Consider the site planning

[2:13:38] and architectural integration

[2:13:39] programme plans with respect to

[2:13:41] the property situated at 161 De

[2:13:42] Windward Crescent Avenue. It's

[2:13:44] an extension.

[2:13:46] - 17.10 Autoriser l'affichage

[2:13:47] commercial pour le bureau des

[2:13:48] ventes situ?e au 275, boulevard

[2:13:49] Hymus.... On devrait les

[2:13:53] allocations plut?t que vente.

[2:13:58] - Pour 17,6 ? 17,10., You have a

[2:14:02] mover?

[2:14:03] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[2:14:08] >> Do I have a mover? Do I have

[2:14:12] a mover?

[2:14:14] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[2:14:15] >> And seconder? All in favour?

[2:14:20] - Merci. >> 18.1 Authorize the

[2:14:23] implementation of a legal

[2:14:25] graffiti wall project near the

[2:14:26] skatepark. The initiative is

[2:14:28] being put forward to find a

[2:14:29] positive solution to the

[2:14:30] graffiti problem, preserve the

[2:14:32] aluminum mural, and raise

[2:14:33] awareness among young people

[2:14:35] about the consequences of

[2:14:36] illegal graffiti.

[2:14:38] - 18.2 Autoriser la s?lection de

[2:14:39] l'artiste, Annick Gaudreault,

[2:14:40] pour la r?alisation d'un projet

[2:14:43] d'art public temporaire sur la

[2:14:44] cl?ture en maille entourant

[2:14:45] l'aire de jeux des tout-petits

[2:14:46] dans le parc David-W.-Beck. Ce

[2:14:50] projet d'art public est dans le

[2:14:55] parc parc David-W.-Beck. Du

[2:14:56] district UNIS dans b?n?ficiera

[2:14:58] aux citoyens ainsi qu'aux

[2:14:59] citoyens

[2:15:00] (---)

[2:15:01] tout en int?grant dollar public

[2:15:02] dans ce secteur de la ville. Ce

[2:15:03] projet serait temporaire et

[2:15:04] devrait avoir une dur?e minimale

[2:15:06] de 2 ans et contribuer

[2:15:08] positivement ? l'identit?

[2:15:09] visuelle du quartier. >> 18.3

[2:15:11] Authorize the creation of an

[2:15:12] urban-style artwork on the

[2:15:14] Hermitage chalet.

[2:15:25] Located in district six,

[2:15:27] scenery. This artwork would be

[2:15:28] the first one to be located on

[2:15:30] the north side of Brunswick

[2:15:32] boulevard and would be enjoyed

[2:15:33] by citizens of this area. The

[2:15:35] artwork would be displayed on

[2:15:37] wooden pals on the west wall of

[2:15:38] the chalet, according to

[2:15:40] recommendations by the City's

[2:15:41] public works and building

[2:15:42] department.

[2:15:43] - 18.4 Autoriser la tenue d'un

[2:15:44] encan pour la disposition de

[2:15:45] biens en collaboration avec le

[2:15:46] Centre d'acquisitions

[2:15:47] gouvernementales

[2:15:48] (CAG)

[2:15:49] . 20 v?los stationnaires soit

[2:15:50] exc?dentaire et ne sont plus

[2:15:51] utilis?s par la Ville. La

[2:15:52] pr?sente autorisations vise leur

[2:15:54] mise en vente ? la chaire ? leur

[2:15:55] juste valeur marchande. >> For

[2:15:58] each 1.1 to 18.4, do I have a

[2:16:01] mover?

[2:16:02] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[2:16:03] district three.

[2:16:04] >> And seconder?

[2:16:05] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[2:16:06] >> All in favour?

[2:16:09] >> Closure.

[2:16:10] >> Foreclosure, do I have a

[2:16:12] mover?

[2:16:14] >> Tara Stainforth, district

[2:16:15] four.

[2:16:16] >> And seconder?

[2:16:17] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[2:16:18] >> All in favour?

[2:16:19] - Merci, tout le monde. Thanks

[2:16:22] everyone.

2024-05-07 Conseil de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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